suggestion-discussion

[red jewel]

Also fighters can't back arrows since they don't have a scavenge skill, so you'd use a campfire instead

[lucid root]

I guess if you role-play in your mind that you're crafting arrows while sitting at the campfire it makes sense

[red jewel]

Wizards can use crossbows too

[lucid root]

Or make it like a meditate thing, the arrows and spare quivers are all you get, then a craft arrow ability that only crafts like 3 at a time

So you have the added advantage of being able to bring in spare quivers still while wizards can't use mana pots

I'm still leaning more toward the retrieve arrow thing though

You'll still be able to retrieve every arrow you shot it'll just take some time to do it, something you won't have time to do during pvp

[formal raven]

Well because 100 gold would hold 10 slots. In your stash. Also finding gold in the dungeon is common on high roller 1 gold bag will hold 50 gold. That's 4 saved slots for high value items

[modest thistle]

yea i know so just make it number how much u have

[lucid root]

I think gold is going to be something that people bypass for the most part once official launch comes and a few seasons go by

Like keep all you'll need for merchants and small trades that's about it

[sudden fractal]

@scenic storm what?

did i read that right? it makes you uncomfortable because it says "praying" ???

[scenic storm]

Yes! Glad it’s understandable, I didn’t know if I was clear on what I meant but you got it🙏🏼👍🏼

[sudden fractal]

that is not understandable at all

[scenic storm]

Are you religious?

[sudden fractal]

it has to be the most beta suggestion of all time

no im not

does the cleric class make u uncomfortable too?

[scenic storm]

Then that’s why it doesn’t make sense to you. Basically, God has always destroyed EVERYTHING in context to false idolization of false gods. This is just something I discovered because it’s making us pray to false gods.

[sudden fractal]

jesus christ i thought i was the one that hated religion the most lmao

[white cliff]

Jesus, what did I was into.

[sudden fractal]

its a fucking game dude

[formal raven]

I can understand that maybe if there's something to actually spend your gold on it would be different but this is a common application for all games like this. Space management.

[scenic storm]

Yeah, it’s a game, that I put my opinion into… on a suggestion form👍🏼

[sudden fractal]

but.. why?

so wait are you religious?

[scenic storm]

Because I would like them to change the wording from “praying” to something else like “obtaining” so I can use these buffs. I don’t use them currently, which isn’t a big deal bc I’m a rogue main, but would be nice to use a health shrine that doesn’t conflict with my beliefs is all🙏🏼

[sudden fractal]

????????????

this has to be a troll

[white cliff]

Not many normal people left to discuss this game with apparently.

[formal raven]

<@&988703997378584596> can we stop the religious talk I. This chat please

[white cliff]

Discords quieted down too much.

[sudden fractal]

im just so confused

lmao

[wary flower]

let me take a look, 1 sec

[white cliff]

Oh Jesus don’t call the police. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[scenic storm]

What is confusing about it? I can help explain my suggestion post

[sudden fractal]

hold me im scared

[blazing vapor]

Please stay off the religious topics. Thanks @formal raven

[sudden fractal]

the whole suggestion should be removed because it is literally about a religious topic

[white cliff]

And they’re punishing the wrong person lol.

[formal raven]

Wdym? I wasn't doing anything but asking you to stop it

[white cliff]

I told you not to call the police lmao.

[blazing vapor]

I'm saying thanks for tagging us

[sudden fractal]

^

[hidden drum]

It's "Thanks for the ping"

[sudden fractal]

lol

[formal raven]

Oh yeah

[woeful helm]

[formal raven]

My bad

[white cliff]

I wish there was a way to put the most common suggestions in the suggestion channel, or things that the devs have talked about or confirmed they’re not adding. Would save a ton of redundancy.

[sudden fractal]

i think ive seen like 800 different suggestions all asking the same thing

[white cliff]

I mean, the first thing I saw when I opened it was about guilds.

[sudden fractal]

like "add races" or "add quests"

[white cliff]

I’ve seen guilds posted about the same amount.

[sudden fractal]

lmao im definitely guilty of this myself, not saying i wasnt hahaah

[white cliff]

And they’ve talked about it in the QnA’s.

[formal raven]

True, but there are alot of suggestions that people down vote because they dont like the balance of teh idea but the idea it self is nice. like quality of life. although it would be nice if people did read the whole chat first? maybe dop a search for the main term idk. but thats how it is

[white cliff]

Threads.

[sudden fractal]

but yeah we should have a text channel with all the already confirmed OR most upvoted suggestions

or pin them

[white cliff]

No usually people do a good job of downvoting bad ideas. There’s just not enough people active on the discord anymore do it frequently.

[sudden fractal]

that way there would be no repeat suggestions

but also the more people suggest the same thing the more chance it will get recognized as something the playerbase rly wants

[formal raven]

well once the next play test happens im sure we will see if the devs liked any ideas posted

[white cliff]

How do you sort the 800 add VOIP suggestions that have been upvotes 30 times each.

[sudden fractal]

pin the first one or the most upvoted one

[white cliff]

The devs have a pretty clear idea on what the game is going to be, I’m not sure why a suggestions channel even exists.

[sudden fractal]

probably more for balancing input

[white cliff]

Yeah but how do you sort so many upvoted suggestions when half of them are the same topic. Seems difficult to sort.

[sudden fractal]

wdym sort them?

[white cliff]

Not likely, they don’t really care about balancing. Check the last QnA.

[sudden fractal]

if it says right infront of you "voip will be added" then less people will be suggesting voip

simple

[white cliff]

Say you have a list of all the green suggestions. How long is it going to take to sort through all of them that day the same thing, mixed with different suggestions.

[sudden fractal]

ctrl+f

sort by oldest

idk what u mean

we dont have to remove all the duplicate suggestions

just prevent duplicates in the future

[formal raven]

Well, usually how it goes is they have a good idea of what the game will be at launce, but this game isnt going to be a "launch only game" if the devs want it to succeed beyond 4 months they will have to implement updates, changes, events, balance update and thats what the suggestion is for. these things take time. so if they draw out a story board and put pins in ideas they like they can be implemented in the future. honestly the voting is more of a way to guage how the public will react to the change at the way it was presented but they may tweak and adjust as they see fit even bad ideas to see how the public reacts to the live change.

[white cliff]

I guess, seems like it would take a while to sort.

[formal raven]

Also you can search that specific chat for anything with an upvote of 10+ 20+ 30+ etc with Boolean searches

[white cliff]

Q: How do you feel about the current class balance?
A: In a less developed state, balance doesn’t mean much. Class balance doesn’t matter right now at least for me. For example Rangers are not nerfed, it’s just that a feature that wasn’t implemented initially was implemented, so they were adjusted.

[formal raven]

In a less developed state,

in otherwords until launch

[sudden fractal]

is this in a QnA?

[white cliff]

It is.

[lucid root]

I'm hoping it's just team voice not proximity, but I guess it's a non issue since you can just disable proximity

[sudden fractal]

whaaaat why? proximity is sick

[smoky yoke]

they do, but the dev meant that's not important for now cause better to work on other things
balancing the game literally you change only some values and tweak over time finding the sweet spot
adding content and finishing features from scratch takes a while

[white cliff]

I obviously didn’t mean at all, this is in relation to have a suggestions channel.

[sudden fractal]

well their "adjustments" to classes are still indirectly balance changes

[lucid root]

I like it from a viewer perspective like watching a streamer, but not so much actually playing

[formal raven]

Proximity will probably be a later than launch addition

[smoky yoke]

plus about the suggestions
my only theory is that the most suggestions upvoted, get automatically sent in some channel we dont see but accessible only to devs

[sudden fractal]

well in that case wouldnt u be for proximity chat? it will lead to funnier moments

[lucid root]

Yeah that's why i think it's a non issue I can just disable it when I'm playing

[formal raven]

they can search the channel it self and use the bot to sort out anything with what ever upvote or down vote values they want. for example if something has a upvote of 9 and one of 11 and they wanna see only 10+ they can,

Honestly, Im both for and against prox chat. I like ho wit is right now, inability to form large groups in the same lobby, although it would like it because it would make rogue pick pocket fun

[white cliff]

Yes I know you can sort by upvotes.

[smoky yoke]

my suggestion with 100 upvotes
but prob they didnt read
i dont know 🤔

[lucid root]

I think there should be another channel with stickied suggestions, being the most popular suggestions, maybe also the most hated ones too

[white cliff]

What was the suggestion.

[smoky yoke]

they should put a 6hrs slow down in the make suggestion channel

[smoky yoke]

going to link the message link

[white cliff]

Go for it.

Y’all want to see the worst suggestion?

[smoky yoke]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[formal raven]

a suggestion for a suggestion channel?

[red jewel]

5 bux says they never read suggestions anyway

[lucid root]

Most likely

[formal raven]

they probably dont at this point

[smoky yoke]

rip

[formal raven]

as they have a development idea for launch and adding anything would delay it

[red jewel]

i am positive they're just gonna do whatever it is they're gonna do. they even go against their own posted data results

[white cliff]

Dang he’s not in the discord anymore I can’t find the messages.

[formal raven]

anything in the suggestion channel will probably be used for future updates post launch

[white cliff]

It was about adding overwatch ultimates, League of legend mythics that you keep, 100% damage for solo players, and permanent stats based on maxed characters. Oh and daily quests that give permanent bonuses like a rogue like.

[formal raven]

its a good one, although idk if i would add their abilities etc my favourite part of picking up the game was going in and not knowing anything. maybe if it updated every time you slew one and it would provide the update for that specific enemy

[red jewel]

for example, data says barb is the least played, most killed, underperforming class. But every patch has new nerfs for him

Next patch: Wiz gets more spells. Ignite still hits for 5 ticks 😎

[white cliff]

It’s just something that hunt already has.

[smoky yoke]

yes thats was something i was thinking about too, the more you research about an enemy
or simply some lore pages to find about looting converted in the bestiary in the main menu

also i forgot to say that in this bestiary you could also see the model of enemies and also rotate them just to inspect them
and if you click on them they can play their voiceline + attack animations

but i like more for the lore and math info of enemies mostly

[formal raven]

And i get it but i still enjoy the mystery of new games, and getting a "cheat book" is like buying those old walkthrough guides for games you just baught ruining the experience of excitement that comes from seeing an enemy and not knowing how to fight it. its not like dying is actually punishing in this game

[smoky yoke]

maybe some pages that you can buy from some merchant specialized to monstrology

just as optional thing anyway

[formal raven]

also, its not hard to figure out hp of enemies in the game

you have a test dummy check headshot damage and fight the first skeleton with only headshots, next lobby check leg shot damage check how many hits it takes. find the median theres your hp

[smoky yoke]

i think also everyone would know in less than a week all monsters in the full release prob
is more for the lore about them, and adding some of it and cool stuff

[smoky yoke]

something that they could simply by adding the bestiary
i think it would fit
but so far, enemies could have weakness
such magic resistance or other 🤔

[formal raven]

yeah, i feel that maybe mages weak to physical dfamage skeles magic, wraiths even across the board bosses resistent

zombies fire skeles elec?

[smoky yoke]

then hp also different from elites ect
and also from high roller dungeons

[formal raven]

yeah but thats just another math test

[smoky yoke]

the skeleton champion has like more than 300 hp i think

cause i tried to use mika vista like thrice or smth

[formal raven]

especially since all mobs are easy to kite (excluding centaur and wraith)

oh the champion? way more than 300

[smoky yoke]

and mika vista does like 100 dmg to undead enemies
skeleton included id guess

[white cliff]

In hunt you earn lore on enemies and bosses based on how many you kill.

[formal raven]

unless he has like a damage reduction

[smoky yoke]

yea the most tankiest enemy

[white cliff]

Wraith is super easy to kill.

[smoky yoke]

yea

[lucid root]

Skeleton Champs take like 3 full magic missiles with headshots?

[formal raven]

super easy just impossible to kite solo

[white cliff]

Step to the right.

[smoky yoke]

skeleton champion very tricky cause can attack thrice in a row

[white cliff]

You can solo them.

[formal raven]

hmm ill try it, although every time i find one im stuck in a hallway xD

[smoky yoke]

wraith only hard when people dont know the moveset

like new players

[formal raven]

I just ignore them or run them away while our rogue hits the chest

[lucid root]

Wraith has a pretty long attack range too

[formal raven]

honestly not worth the health potions

[lucid root]

He got them long arms

[smoky yoke]

i also ignore them usually cause not very worth prob
the loot seems good but not worth the risk sometimes

feel like wasting time with some mobs can be crucial when some rogues might even watch you and then stab you later while you killed the mob

[lucid root]

Mages are my favorite mob to loot cause they drop books and wizard stuffs

[formal raven]

in high roller its good loot in their chests but we never waste time trying to kill them ubnless ts the one in the room next to the spawn then we just cheese it

Yeah that is nice

[smoky yoke]

the moonlight crystal sword

[lucid root]

Library is my favorite

[smoky yoke]

yes 2 mages
and full of loot usually

[outer niche]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

guys is this a yes or a no

[lucid root]

That's already a thing with invis I thought

Works the same way as haste

You said invincibility btw, wish I had that spell 👀

#d-and-d-suggestions message

Indirect buff for rangers and wizards?

Big rooms are the best for fireballin'

Corridor style maps you can cut directions and not get hit directly as much, also makes it easier for mages to splash damage themselves

I like the variation we have now, mostly hallways and small rooms with less big rooms

[vale hound]

Is there a way to see my play time of dark and darker? I deinstalled the game and it's not in my steam library anymore and there is no play time info in the shop

good thing, that i wrote a review on steam. There is my playing time

[lucid root]

Fishing o_o

Inventory filled up with harvesting tools

[junior hawk]

Hey guys, got any ideas as to how to monetize the game?
The devs said that the game will be free to play, so I think ideas of how they would earn money would be useful in the suggestions

[radiant wave]

not gonna be f2p

[junior hawk]

Well, on a I interview last month they said that most likely, 99% chances that the game will be free to play

Or did I miss some info?

[vagrant stone]

i feel like they said the opposite

[junior hawk]

Now you are making me question myself...will check and come back

[lucid root]

Pretty sure it's in the dev q&a

[vagrant stone]

with that said monetization is an interesting question and I think there are two ways to look at it.

1. What is the most optimal way to monetize the game, so that Iron Mace earns the maximum $?
2. How will Iron Mace games want to monetize the game? What ways of monetization could be acceptable to them?

they're said in the past that they don't like how newer games do micro transactions and how they're developed these days, how the games play, etc. so I don't see them doing the most optimal monetization methods

[junior hawk]

Mb Mb, false alarm

[vagrant stone]

Here's a list of the most scummy albeit profitable ways to make money:

1. Selling drugs such as tobacco
2. Opening a casino
3. Selling predatory loans, credit cards, etc.
4. Develop a game with microtransactions

What all these have in common is that they are essentially legal scams.

[sacred hill]

Whats the point of implementing item durability.? Isnt it a chore, what are the gameplay benefits

[junior hawk]

Apparently, they will do the apposite as I mentioned

[lucid root]

#dev-qna-archives message

[vagrant stone]

yeah i don't like item durability

[lucid root]

More gold sinks I guess

[junior hawk]

Me either.
But isn't it necessary?
Like over time the market will be flouded with high quality items.

[vagrant stone]

I can think of tons of ways to monetize the game which would be profitable but I don't know if they would want to do that

[junior hawk]

Though they mentioned seasonal wipes every 3 months, so they might be enough

[vagrant stone]

like for example, $5 for another full stash inventory

[sacred hill]

most items will eventually be lost in game...

[vagrant stone]

and you can get a total of like 6 stashes per character for $5 each

[vestal thorn]

https://youtu.be/B_tYY0B3OrA?t=3724 Interview VoD w/ Dev from Dark and Darker w/ Pestily also on cost of game. A bit old, but slightly more direction.

[junior hawk]

I watched it today

[lucid root]

If you have to re buy stash tabs every wipe lol

[vagrant stone]

i also think because of the nature of the game where you can get good loot, and then the risk of losing it is very high, that you could take advantage of this aspect and sell item insurance. not that people want this in the game but I think it would sell.

[sacred hill]

Game killer

[vagrant stone]

😂

[sacred hill]

dont think like a corporation

They kill the games do to greed

[vagrant stone]

you could sell different races

[junior hawk]

Seasonal wipes might be just enough to keep the market in check

[vagrant stone]

i don't know how a gnome race would work though haha

[junior hawk]

But the more players, the more items they will generate

[lucid root]

We'll see how 3 month seasons work, might be longer or shorter

[junior hawk]

Yeah, you right

[vagrant stone]

if stashes are small enough it might keep the market in check just by itself

if supply were infinite you would have an issue but there just isn't enough room to hold onto shit

[lucid root]

One thing I know is we'll be using any advantage we get for increasing storage. Like if they do a mail system I'll just leave a bunch of shit in my mailbox

[junior hawk]

I guess alts will solve the storage problem for the more hardcore people

[vagrant stone]

how much ore can you stack?

[junior hawk]

Even if they pay a fee, the fee isn't that expensive

[vestal thorn]

I want more things that reduce time selling or using market. I hate playing the auction game rather than the Kill other people game if possible...

[vagrant stone]

yeah

thats also why i think you should be able to have larger stashes and trade between characters

[vagrant stone]

yeah agree

[junior hawk]

Trade would encourage alts

Which in most cases, are a bad influence on a game

[bronze kraken]

there should be a thing in shop that allows yo to expand your stash like a safe or something

[lucid root]

Make like 3 tabs the max, most casual players will maybe fill up 3 after a few months, the good players will fill it up fast and they'll just use alts anyway

[sacred hill]

Whats the point of holding to all that loot?

[lucid root]

Someone said expanding tabs should be a merchant quest, make like a bank merchant you can do quests for

[lucid root]

For when you die?

And selling and trading

[junior hawk]

Feeling like a horde goblin?

[lucid root]

Loot goblins!

[serene snow]

unidentified loot and cursed loot should be added
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lucid root]

Cursed items sound neat

[serene snow]

it'll be just like balder's gate

[vagrant stone]

right now you have to sell stuff because you run out of stash space, and some of that stuff you might be able to use at a later date or give to a teammate

[junior hawk]

But unidentified sound like a unfun gold sink

[serene snow]

cleric should be able to equip a spell to identify

and there should be consumable scrolls that identify loot too

[junior hawk]

One could say that this drives people to trade and interact

[sacred hill]

I think we should have instanced houses and store shit there

[vagrant stone]

i think thats kind of annoying but you know the devs said they were going to add some kind of identify mechanic

[lucid root]

That could be part of guild halls

[vestal thorn]

What I don't like is how much time this is going to take. And adding another RNG to item spawns (keeping more RNG loot in hopes its good outside the run) only to find out it's crap seems more annoying than fun.

So many KRPGs had this element of tons of RNG. which get's old quick.

[vagrant stone]

no because a lot of that gear might be like, not that good, and so it's at least to me not really worth A. the time it takes to sell it B. the cost of the trades aren't free so unless you sell an item for a certain amount of gold it isn't profitable

also personally I think everybody selling their loot on some kind of grand exchange wouldn't be amazing for the game as it will drive down prices and so you just buy everything from the grand exchange rather than find the loot in the game

but thats just me

i do agree with you if its like a purple or better item yeah i would either keep it or sell it

i was more meaning the items worse than that

[junior hawk]

I believe that unidentifiable items should only be boss exclusive one. Like killing a Lich and it drops a staff that you know is good but not sure of how good it is

[serene snow]

unidentified gear should be wearable, but putting it on is a risk

[junior hawk]

In games with unidentified mechanic, I always throw away the ones that are trash away

[vagrant stone]

i think the gear has to be identifiable by the individual player (or at least not require a cleric like that suggestion i think i saw)

[vestal thorn]

I'm personally going to practice this in looting.

High Gear Score (GS) and Mobs worth looting.
Based on this loot tablehttps://darkanddarker.wiki.spellsandguns.com/Lootables
-Mummy
-Death Skull

Gold Chest Normal [GS 344]
Ornate Chests [GS 280]
Ornate Chest Small [GS 267]
Mimic [219 GS]
Large Flat Chest [GS 209]

Outside of these things as a Solo I'm going to push aggressive and just go for kills due to zone timer. Games are pretty short.

Adding more time, yes even 3 seconds per item identify would almost make me never pick those items up rather than simply reque another quick lobby.

[serene snow]

i'm thinking a barb could drop off a piece of gear to a wizard with enough knowledge and then the wizard identifies it just having it in inventory

[vagrant stone]

• Knowledge - Increases spell casting speed + Spells/Spell Count + Item Identification Speed.

does that work?

[serene snow]

like some items requiring 10 knowledge before they can even be identified

[lucid root]

Like a scholar ability for wizard, tier 4 ability maybe

[vagrant stone]

in comparison to your suggestion

Gear attributes should be hidden for some high level gear and require a character with enough knowledge to identify it.

so low knowledge could still identify it, it would just take longer

[serene snow]

maybe

[vagrant stone]

what if you're running a whole party with low knowledge

or you don't trust your teammates... lol

[serene snow]

you could trade it on AH. people love to gamble

[lucid root]

Hmm seems like a good money maker

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

This doesn't seem like a bad suggestion

[agile condor]

@wintry forge really bro - I feel like you're trying to farm downvotes lately lol

[lucid root]

Couple rerolls per day for like 50 gold each

[sacred hill]

The guy is a troll or retarded, his suggestions are out of place

[lucid root]

He upvotes every single one of his suggestions 😂

[agile condor]

and it's often the one of the only upvotes

[lucid root]

Some of them are okay, but I feel like he should just run them by us real quick first

[agile condor]

Some of his older ones are decent

[lucid root]

Hi suspense 👋

[agile condor]

lately it's like he's just saying anything without thinking it through

[wintry forge]

Actually, it seems like some people might just be set against giving me a thumbs up.

[agile condor]

World is out to get you mate, you got us

[lucid root]

I try my hardest to give your suggestions some thought I really do

I upvoted your skill tree suggestion

[sacred hill]

This is not a simulator

[wintry forge]

You can do it too.

[lucid root]

No I downvote mine

[wintry forge]

I don't need people on Discord to agree with me, for me to have thought it through.

[lucid root]

This is true

[wintry forge]

But it could be a dungeon crawl simulator.

[lucid root]

Isn't it already?

[wintry forge]

It's too simple imo, but that's okay if that's just my opinion.

[agile condor]

We're actually a huge collective group in here, all working together to give you hundreds of downvotes. We've been found out.

Don't worry man, some of yours have an upvote from me, and most others

[wintry forge]

Well, if you look through the suggestions, I've suggested things that got down voted, while others have suggested the same things and got up voted.

[lucid root]

Use an alt and investigate 🔎

[agile condor]

Literally what I said lol

[lucid root]

Name your alt Tension with a lion pfp

[agile condor]

lol

[vagrant stone]

its not a simulator though its a game

[inland pelican]

Idk there have been mostly bad posts I have seen from you suspense, but I believe I did upvote one or two, it just feels like you keep asking the devs to make a completely different game

[lucid root]

What was that game, kingdom come, had pretty realistic combat, kinda janky

[vagrant stone]

if you want a historically accurate dungeon crawler game you'll have to make a different game

[vagrant stone]

yeah but you know it was good

if this game was going to be historically accurate there would jsut not be any polearms (too close quarters)

or wizards or clerics

[lucid root]

There could be wizards, they would just die pretending to do magic

And I'd still play wizard 😎

[inland pelican]

In a tight dungeon like this? There might be polearms, the further you can keep enemies away the better

[vagrant stone]

maybe spears

usually polearms aren't used in tight spaces

because it bumps on things which kinda happens in this game

[inland pelican]

Artifacers that are more science then magic is what wizards would be, fireworks, candles in jars of oil for fireballs etc

[vagrant stone]

broadly speaking i don't think people really want to be making suggestions that change how the game is overall played

the game is pretty good right now

you want to improve it, not make it a different game

[inland pelican]

Mostly agreed, but they are fighting monsters, every inch of space they can make would be made

[wintry forge]

I haven't felt like I've suggested anything that's too far from where the game is currently.

[vagrant stone]

his suggestion on attack speed, like I guess you could make the arming sword and falchion the same attack speed and damage

but then give the arming sword a thrust

i just feel like now they'd be kinda redundant

[inland pelican]

At least in the recent ones not too far off, but if those suggestions are taken it takes a spiral to a totally different game, a dungeon crawling mordhau of sorts

[vagrant stone]

the main actual difference between a falchion and an arming sword is the arming sword is better for thrusting (in comparison to the falchion) whereas the falchion is better for slashing

[wintry forge]

You guys have been taught a false history. Wizards are real.

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message RIP Cleric lol

[vagrant stone]

if anything its kind of interesting that the arming sword's attack speed is faster and it does less damage, in comparison to the falchion

though my feeling is the falchion is usually the better option

[inland pelican]

That was my thought... its one of the themes of the class

[vagrant stone]

because the game is so slow you can easily just time things and so you want that higher damage

[agile condor]

#d-and-d-suggestions message Cool so can I then take another ranger's arrows that I kill and the 100 arrows off the skeleton archers too? So I never run out of arrows and the mechanic is a waste of time? lol

[inland pelican]

I prefer the falchion (can't spell) because it is all slashes

[vagrant stone]

you spelt it right

[sonic pendant]

if you disagree with a suggestion, you should just downvote it and move on. in my experience, this channel is a wasteland for bad players to defend their desire to nerf every class they can't beat

you'll get lost in here forever

lol

[agile condor]

Don't worry Ness, I think we're past that point here

[vagrant stone]

i like the falchion's huge hitbox though its almost a little too huge in that i've somehow hit people who were almost like behind me

[inland pelican]

The talking is to explain why the upvotes or downvotes, helps for improving suggestions and understanding

[vagrant stone]

well sometimes its a legitimate balance criticism and other times not so much

[sonic pendant]

agreed, but most of these suggestions don't deserve a discussion. like the guy who thinks healing magic should be removed.

[agile condor]

It was believed that the large number of downvotes was due to some secret agreement/hatred that people just want to downvote the ideas because of the person giving them, not because of the validity of the idea

[wintry forge]

I'm hoping for it to be more like Mordhau, but it seems there are lots of people that don't want that.

[agile condor]

True lol

[vagrant stone]

I think wizard should at the very least not be able to haste themselves over and over again

[inland pelican]

Agreed on that but realistically in that case we should ignore class balance all together atm, the devs don't care at this stage

[wintry forge]

That's me, but I do deserve a discussion. Who are you?

[agile condor]

I think Suspense is just trying to throw out way too many suggestions... like @wintry forge - what's your top 5 suggestions for us to discuss that you really want & you wanna defend?

[sacred hill]

😆😆

[vagrant stone]

i mean at this point there is so much going on, especially on youtube and stuff of wizards just steamrolling players that the devs have to know already anyway

[sonic pendant]

i did, initially, i think i suggested that a couple playtests ago. but i've changed my mind since. simplifying the fighting has its advantages imo. you don't need every streamer running around using animation abuse, and you don't want to have to keep up with all the animation abuse yourself; i can't be bothered to do spins and then look at my feet and then look at the north star every time i want to hit someone, like i have to do in mordhau

[inland pelican]

I honestly feel the fix for that issue is to lower the maximum casts of those spells by one, play into the weaknesses of the wizard, squishy and massive spell management issues

[lucid root]

This channel? 🤔

I'm pretty open to buffing classes that I don't play, but usually someone comes in and says balance comes later and shuts the discussion down

[wintry forge]

I only really care about the devs reading my suggestions. Are they going to ignore suggestions that don't get enough up votes?

[agile condor]

I'd hope so, otherwise that's a huge waste of time lol

[inland pelican]

I have been told they scan all the ones that peak their interest, but im sure upvotes help

[sacred hill]

There are like a thousand suggestions, they are probably filtering them to have an idea what people like

[agile condor]

There are 7,400 suggestions in that channel lol

[sonic pendant]

i think you should be required to be lvl 20 in any class you want to suggest changes for. so many people whining about classes they didn't play. every class has inherent disadvantages, but the suggestions only seem to focus on the "problematic" strengths.

[inland pelican]

Aye, based on what they are looking into they are likely typing in the search bar for key terms

[wintry forge]

I've had lvl 20 Rogue and Fighter, so I don't vote on suggestions for other classes.

[sonic pendant]

but you want to remove healing spells, right?

[sacred hill]

I suggested to delete suggestions with less than +25 opinion in 24 hours, helps with the trash

[crimson stone]

true , but fighter is really op, stronger than ranger

[sonic pendant]

although 25 is a bit high, i'd say 15

[agile condor]

I main Ranger, but I think Rogue stealth could improve a bit

[wintry forge]

I want to remove anything that gives back health.

[inland pelican]

That is the FIRST time I have seen someone say the fighter is op xD

[lucid root]

I like my idea of pinned suggestions channel

[agile condor]

Did you ever do any of the bosses?

[sacred hill]

😆😆

[lucid root]

So remove clerics entirely 👀

[agile condor]

Yeet

[sonic pendant]

i had briefly forgotten why i didn't want to post here. thank you for the reminder.

gg all lol

[agile condor]

😄

[inland pelican]

Gn man I can feel ya lol

[sonic pendant]

and i was just telling you to avoid this place

[crimson stone]

it is op compare to ranger yes

[sonic pendant]

should have taken my own advice

[inland pelican]

How exactly...?

[lucid root]

General chat contains like 99% of the garbage, rest of the channels are alright

[wintry forge]

No, but I've only played solo.

[agile condor]

Gotcha...

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Sounds like a warlock

[inland pelican]

That MIGHT have colored a few of your images my guy

[crimson stone]

figher can use bow and in a range fight , figher got a better armor , skill that can close gap quickly and a healing skill that dont have animation @inland pelican

[sacred hill]

@wintry forge waiting for the warlock so i can drain life from you😆

[mossy ruin]

Currency was definitely annoying if you had a lot, but also clearly a lot of factors were infancy versions of their more finalized and appropriate systems. How much gold you could earn versus how much gold we could spend versus how long sometimes it took to find someone selling an item on the market versus just playing the game were all things that will likely be improved. The amount of items we can purchase will change with our reputation with traders when we can quest with traders(this is speculation but reasonable imo) If not, then thats what ever, but the items we acquire in the dungeon should be lesser since we were playing on map two if I heard correctly.
Theres so many inflated and skewed factors here and there that I am sure things are relatively placeholder and moving in a direction that will feel better. Buying one item at a time though HOLY SHIT, thank you. I expect the overall pace and progression of the game to be slower when the game is more released. A slower paced progression should roundout and simplify things where as in the playtest acquiring 'stuff' was pretty easy. Also if the portal system gets adjusted or this or that etc etc we may get less people escaping which could also help with having too much stuff. After a while, if you played enough, looting stuff was kinda w/e and people just went for dense loose loot rooms and then looked for players, or vice versa.

I was gunna reply to some comment but forgot

LOL

[sacred hill]

not reading that lol

[lucid root]

Wall of text, where's my reading glasses

[agile condor]

Wall of Text crits you for 9999, there is no healing because Suspense runs the show, you die.

[mossy ruin]

I was trying to reply to someone complaining about having too much gold and how it stacks to 50 max, which I agree, that shit took up space

TLDR, im sure things will be adjusted

[lucid root]

I think they got a lot of player economy data just from these short tests, seems like gold is in a weird place definitely

[mossy ruin]

Well items are hard to buy with gold, and items take up a lot of space

[wintry forge]

Maybe, but I'm sure lots of people will be playing solo.

[inland pelican]

The healing skill is half health for the whole dungeon, the ranged passive makes fighters do 20% less dmg then the ranger, the sprint, yeah its silly and I love it no fight there, but rangers can use traps to set up their field, do large damage at a range, can shoot the legs of a person three times in a second slowing any advance and that is just what I was told of the class... the fighter is stated by MANY as the most balanced class in the game rn

[mossy ruin]

Idk I had trouble with shields with melee, maybe I was doing something wrong personally

[inland pelican]

That's true, (I was solo a bit myself) but :/ it's just learning what fights to take and what not as far as healing

[mossy ruin]

And a lot of fighters used shields

[agile condor]

Just FYI, boss fights can have some unavoidable damage

[inland pelican]

Shields were harder to use, I wish they were a bit bigger honestly, but I like the mechanic

[lucid root]

Did the ghost boss suck ability do damage?

[mossy ruin]

Well I played barb, and when I didnt have felling axe or horsemans axe, shields fucked me

[lucid root]

Or just trap you I forget

[inland pelican]

Oh! Fighting against shields! Gotta stabby the feet and if at a range shoot the head more often then not

[inland pelican]

Ahhh yeah xD sunder should fix that soonish

[lucid root]

Shields are a good counter to magic missiles and only take splash damage from fireball

[mossy ruin]

sunder or do you mean smash?

or is sunder a new mechanic or a person lol idk

[inland pelican]

Smash! Sorry just watched someone play barb, didn't play it myself

[inland pelican]

It DOES feel like rn fighters are a counter for barbs

[mossy ruin]

Yeah I ran smash near the start when iwas bad, then the end when I realized WHOA doors go bye, but I still hard trouble

[lucid root]

@eager creek appreciate the second draft suggestion and the amazing name

[crimson stone]

oh forgot about that, the shield can block arrows too. even 20% less dmg , the fighter's armour is so much better. traps can be uninstalled and jump over it . just in case you dont know, figher's heal can recover through campfire , so it is not for the whole dungeon

[eager creek]

thanks m8, messed up on the first and couldnt figure out how to edit it lol.

[inland pelican]

Smash is supposed to sunder shields by dealing dmg to shield durability on a block, but no durability yet

[lucid root]

Also brackets aren't needed, kind of misleading

[eager creek]

I see that now, think thats my only suggestion though

damn near perfect game in my book

[agile condor]

@wintry forge seriously though, top like 3 suggestions?

[sacred hill]

Simulation, no heal and more simulation

[agile condor]

lol relax - he has like dozens of suggestions and they're not all bad - I'm curious which ones he really wants to see

Most I think were just ideas that came to mind like oh "oh this would be interesting""

[inland pelican]

So your issue is I (can) block arrows with my shield... if I see you shooting my thigh instead of my head... or I CAN disarm your trap very slowly as you shoot at me... or I CAN try to jump over it if I happen to notice the trap... those are alot of ifs there in that equation .. and my armor is nice, but you as a ranger clearly win a ranged encounter every time, if I close I run the risk of endless arrows and traps, I MIGHT be able to heal through some of that dmg but if your second weapon set is melee, you are capable of outmanuvering me with your better speed

[inland pelican]

That's what I think too, not an issue with him at all, just that it feels the game's theme and identity as a whole doesn't seem to be kept in mind

[eager creek]

I had a lv 20 fighter fully epic gear, nub stomped normal lobbies and didnt know you could refresh the heal skill 💀

[inland pelican]

Ditto xD

[eager creek]

@crimson stone watch spudhunter if you want to see how broken ranger is. class is overkited imo.

[wintry forge]

Mix of Mordhau and Tarkov combat is my main suggestion. Keep all of the fantasy stuff.

[inland pelican]

On the last bit, I was a shitter, most of my understanding comes from others here and my understanding of the game style/source material

[agile condor]

Alright, top 3 ways that you'd make the combat more like a Mordhau & Tarkov mix?

[eager creek]

In tarkov you die too fast

[agile condor]

#legmeta

[wintry forge]

You die faster in Mordhau.

[sacred hill]

What is your main?

[eager creek]

then thats worse xD

I think the hp is balanced until you start playing w max gear. getting 1 shot by a fireball feels like shit.

[inland pelican]

Suggestion: headshots instakill but rangers are limited to 20 arrows that they can recover on a dead body or half of the shot arrows (I'm kidding btw based on tarkov combat)

They plan to give all gear durability

[eager creek]

oh gross, i hate that

[sacred hill]

If you survive

[inland pelican]

Shield dura is like 1/3 the point of getting barbarian smash perk lol

[eager creek]

as long as gear wont break in the middle of a dungeon then its whatever, if it does however, then thats like tripping in brawl.

[inland pelican]

Likely they plan to set up the gear to last you at least two to three fair dungeons shy of smash barbs.

[sacred hill]

whats the chance of playing 10 games with the same gear?

[agile condor]

Dunno how to can die faster in any game than Tarkov lol

You barely hear the gunshot and your screen is black head/eyes

[inland pelican]

Just means you gotta watch yourself, also allows a gold sink in the form of repairs out of dungeon

[eager creek]

I guess durability will help with everyone getting max gear in a week but idk, still feels lame to lose your stuff for winning

[lucid root]

Ironically in highroller most people are naked so pretty good odds you'll survive, 10 games though? 🤔

[crimson stone]

not endless traps 3 only , and it take more than 10 sec to set up each

[eager creek]

Ill keep an open mind on it. they are the devs and they are making the right calls so far.

[sacred hill]

fck durability and stamina

[lucid root]

Graysun is on, everyone spam Suspense links

[inland pelican]

All you need is one trap... and idk about 10 seconds from what I watched but I'll take your word for it, it is still hardly worth saying fighters are anywhere around op compared to anyone (though atm likely a counter to barbs)

[rose sandal]

Lets take a 10 minute breather and not say thing that can cause conflicts please.

[sacred hill]

We already had the break

[inland pelican]

Agreed, likely they will estimate three dungeons worth of dura and give each piece about that much

[wintry forge]

I like Mordhaus combat, and I like Tarkovs body part damage.

[crimson stone]

all good ,all i want to say is fighter is op for me, you dont have to go against all my points xd

[inland pelican]

That is fine lol you just said fighter was op compared to ranger as a flat statement so I had to push back

[crimson stone]

yeah u right , ranger op

[inland pelican]

By bodypart dmg... does it say slow you down when on a leg or mess with your aim if your arm is hurt? Just confused... this game does specify different dmg for bodyparts

[rose sandal]

That's good then, I just don't suggest others to try and influence others to ping admin's and post suspicious link.

[inland pelican]

Honestly I can't think of a way to balance the ranger rn

[agile condor]

He was joking, suspense just wants admins to see his suggestions, he was saying people can now send his suggestion channel links to the admins

[inland pelican]

It already does! Hitting a leg or arm does less dmg then the body and much less then the head, barb axe to the head kills most classes lol

[sacred hill]

Play it then

[wintry forge]

It does? I never noticed. Yeah, getting your leg hurt should slow your movement, getting your arm hurt should affect your aim or make your attack weaker. Also, theres the potential that you can bleed out if you don't stop the blood loss in time.

[inland pelican]

I'll have to lol I'm not complaining btw, I think time will fix all things with the devs

[sacred hill]

Sure, its alpha

Wrong tag

[agile condor]

Tarkov has healing, just sayin lol

[wintry forge]

Admins? I don't know. I just hope the dev team reads the suggestions.

[vagrant stone]

maybe its fine as it is right now

maybe you could nerf the 5 shot so it does less damage (for example, making it so that only a maximum of 4 of the 5 shots can hit one person)

other than that idk i feel like it's fine the way it is

[sacred hill]

I see videos of players getting headshoted 3 times and still moving

[inland pelican]

It does in fact, swing at the dummies in the tavern and you will see 🙂 and I think legs do slow and I don't think arms do much... but I also disagree with bleeding out, if bleeding out were a thing rogues would just win :p unless you mean a pick up mechanic before having to rez? That might be cool

[agile condor]

Depends on the helmet/visor/ammo used

[sacred hill]

Plastic ammo?

[inland pelican]

It might be! Really the deck aren't done MAKING these classes, could be rangers ARE balanced and others are still being built

[agile condor]

woah woah, let's leave the 5-shot alone, time for a new topic

[sacred hill]

Hits like a truck from close 😆

[agile condor]

it's my last resort for close-range combat hah

[vagrant stone]

protection pots mitigate ranger damage, same as armor rating, so that's why I'm not too worried about it

[inland pelican]

Remember as far as class balancing, the devs are still fully crafting the classes

[sacred hill]

What about the fcking rouges, running like goblins

[vagrant stone]

they're still changing things like longbow damage so just because sdf said that like maybe not everybody is on the same page lol

[agile condor]

Actually - is 5 arrows enough, idk I'm thinking we make it a 12-shot, get some GMPs on that thing

[vagrant stone]

wizard is faster with haste lol

[sacred hill]

Never saw a wizard in a game with invisibility

[inland pelican]

XD I saw a wizard

I baited him into a room for my rogue buddy to stab him to death

[sacred hill]

i got 1 into a trap when he was invisible

Great satisfaction

[inland pelican]

Nice!

[vagrant stone]

the thing is, the wizard could have used invis to go into the room u were trying to bait him in, saw you guys there, and then dipped out, or even just ran past you and then use magic missle from behind you

[inland pelican]

He did that! He fireballed me instead of magic missile, he didn't check his corners before fireballing lol

The panic I saw on that wizard made me smile so wide xD

[vagrant stone]

have you guys seen this video where this wizard literally just kites in a circle with haste and nobody can catch up to him? lol https://youtu.be/-Un3-ttq3Oo

[inland pelican]

No but I believe it

[vestal thorn]

A bit of luck on the Wizard's side, he survived 3 hits from that cleric. Also I always see these 5minute chases where the chaser never sheathes their weapon, or more importantly uses a ranged throwable. The Francisca literally is for this scenario 🤣 Cleric either doesn't have or use Judgement/Bind, but hard to say if all clerics will use that loadout. That 3rd party rogue had wiz dead to rights...but at 2:51 decides to turn around instead and die to the Barb because maybe he thinks he's killed the wizard lol? or ADHD

No blue pots used on either side, but yeah I mean the wizard here has both a class advantage and a player skill advantage in that clip.

This is no where near high level lol

[lucid root]

I got smacked down by the illuminati, sorry suspense 💔

[lucid root]

Invisibility, haste and speed shrine, I haven't tried it yet 👀

Gotta love those 5 minute fists out chases, all the way back to their spawn room and they end up not having anything except starter gear

Good cardio at least

[vagrant stone]

idk the skill level is less important to me than the class disadvantage

no ranger to shoot him sure

no mage to shoot him sure

same no fighter shooting him

but the melee classes are shit out of luck lol

what are you going to do, press X and punch him to death? lol

[lucid root]

@wintry forge I think xp rates were accelerated a lot during the test, or do you want xp only from player kills or something

xp on successful extraction?

[wintry forge]

Xp only from successful extraction, but less. It was too easy to level up. Make higher levels require more xp.

[lucid root]

Maybe make it so all your xp accumulates as you play the match, mobs, player kills, then you only get to keep it if you extract

[wintry forge]

That works for me.

[vestal thorn]

I'm not saying it's everything, but try to remember for balancing purposes the skill on both sides of an engagement before calling a nerf. VoDs like these need to be viewed with a grain of salt because clearly there's a pretty big skill gap between the 4 people there.

I wish more Wiz PoV's shows them dying, but it happens a lot more than you think.

I'll concede that the Wizard 100% has all the tools he needs solo to do this on 99% of loadouts(does well both PvE and PvP). But this almost never works against players of any class if they play well especially so if you are outnumbered. It is fucking hilarious to run into people as a wizard though like this.

Melee has the advantage of snuffing out any class they can land 1 hit on due to movement mechanics in this game.

Fighter / Barb both have speed boosts, and throwables. Rogue has high base movement, throwables. Cleric has 2 skills to catch up, but many opt for the PVE build.

The kiting you see in that VoD could've been Wizard vs any other 2 classes because the other 2 (barb/cleric) and arguably the rogue. Did nothing correct to increase their move speed which is available to you. IDK.

[vagrant stone]

well its not just that one, also a lot of high roller games

[lucid root]

That guy must've been geared to the tits o_O those attacks didn't hurt him at all

[vagrant stone]

wiz having haste is very good, he can escape from every class because his move speed > all other classes

[wind nebula]

interaction speed is where you catch wiz. doors are hard

[vagrant stone]

i disagree that any class can kite like that

[lucid root]

Can just blow up doors

[wind nebula]

5 doors. instead of doing damage. you already winning. you got him on the 6th door

[inland pelican]

But what if a wizard hosted a rogue that the cleric blessed?

[vestal thorn]

a good rogue can kite just as well as a wizard if not better imo (due to doors) not having to cast/spell limit. I can forward you clips of MattzGonz https://www.twitch.tv/mattgonzgod/videos, but I mean again a lot of it is player skill at that point. imo

[wind nebula]

ahh 3v3? rogue is a good target for buff stacking. but i like fighter better. more surviviablity

[vagrant stone]

then at least he cant haste himself 5 times in a row

[inland pelican]

Yeah but haste invisible rogue with bless I feel you could have run in without armor and nuke most things, esp if you have the wizard applying pressure

[inland pelican]

True xD but hosted rogue would be like fighting speedy Gonzalez

[vestal thorn]

The most aggressive rogues play around speed shrines (as melee should). It can be really annoying.

[lucid root]

Spawn and just run to the nearest speed shrine? Lol

[vestal thorn]

If you can stand soundless vods check out the link above. Knowing all the speed shrine spawns then going back every 2m to abuse it basically. Then you do Speed shrine + blue pot every engagement.

[wind nebula]

if youre pushing me. wiz or ranger/cleric/fighter. depending on room it will be skill getting past the door choke. after that your nuke target is the ranger since plate for cleric and fighter. youll get him most likely but the turn on you will be fast and then more skill with cleric/fighter vs cleric/wiz

[vagrant stone]

well also the rogue has to come close to attack, as opposed to the wizard

so sure you can be kited but you can still get a hit in if you time it

[vestal thorn]

Yeah that's the tricky balance right now. Not allowing ranged to one shot, but making melee feel good if they can land 1 hit.

[lucid root]

Kind of reminds me of unreal tournament, map knowledge is king

[vestal thorn]

It should be huge in this game. I still need to make it a point to go room by room to make sure I never missed anything next test.

[lucid root]

I really need to study the maps better

[wind nebula]

the devs have said that "map knowledge" is a skill the adventures should have so most of the maps wont change

[vestal thorn]

There are a lot of jump puzzle skips the top PvPers know by heart by next test.

[wind nebula]

i know a lot of pushes thru trap hallways that people dont expect...

[lucid root]

There's always that one hallway that fucks me it has like 3 unavoidable wall traps

Do you crouch through those?

[vestal thorn]

You have to duck your head and look at the floor I didn't know until i saw it in a VoD yeah....lol

[lucid root]

Ahhhhhhhh

[wind nebula]

maze? duck. the hallway with the 3 floor spike sets?

walk right in the middle

[vestal thorn]

It's near the long hallway of coffins, not the maze afaik

[lucid root]

The ones on the wall I think

Little black dots in the wall

[wind nebula]

yea walk right in the middle. dont duck. the spikes are at waist height so if you miss it and duck youll get headshot

[vestal thorn]

Coffin hallway with 1 mage, 1 archer, 1 mummy spawn then rest are lootable coffins along wall. Its the spawn side where theres 2 floor spikes. twice

[lucid root]

They don't show as traps on the map

[vagrant stone]

kinda silly to think they're going to develop procedurally generated maps, they already made the maps they have now lol

[lucid root]

Ewwww

[wind nebula]

they said they wanted traps to be random but they also didnt want o frustrate players. so we'll see if that happens

[vestal thorn]

They said they probably won't because it was too hard to do in practice currently on their team.

the AI part of that is probably not their specialty or is probably too expensive

[vagrant stone]

they're a bunch of old school game designers so i think it fits in with the design of a more old school game

[lucid root]

Procedural stuff leave that to star citizen, they have infinite budget apparently

[vagrant stone]

apparently they made this game in 1 year lol

star citizen on the other hand

[vestal thorn]

I think it makes more sense for them to do seasonal Maps vs AI procedural gen. so it rewards the sweaty tryhards.

[wintry forge]

Procedurally generated maps will provide longevity.

[wind nebula]

^

[vagrant stone]

yeah but it'd be a ton of work

[lucid root]

Winter maps

[wind nebula]

i pretty much push spawns off the rip till the lobby is wiped then loot whatever rooms are left

[glacial bridge]

if only i could just forever mute suggestions from Suspense

[vestal thorn]

Seasonal would be a nice middle ground I think. So then people don't get bored, but then get new stuff you and have a period where map knowledge is a skill gap.

[vagrant stone]

if I were in their shoes, people are already wanting to throw money at them, I would just get this game going and then put it on the market

no need to totally redesign the game from the ground up

[wind nebula]

they dont need money though

[wintry forge]

Maybe they can just hire someone with experience with procedural generation.

[vagrant stone]

everybody needs money lol

[wind nebula]

again at this point in their business they dont need that money

when you start taking peoples money they expect things

[vagrant stone]

do you really want the game in development for 1 more year+ just for procedurally generated maps

[wind nebula]

the game is slated for release q4 this year

[wintry forge]

They can do it after release.

[wind nebula]

youll be fine in that year

early access has been whispered about for april

[lucid root]

My life officially begins q4 this year then 👶

[vagrant stone]

i mean i don't know whats involved, i know a bit about programming though i'm not an expert

[glacial bridge]

Early access wont be too long away, then you will be happy

[vagrant stone]

even after release are you going to spend all this time designing procedurally generated maps when like they spent less than 1 year to get the game to its current state

[lucid root]

Are there any good resources for map tips and stuff? Or good channels I can check out

[vagrant stone]

what an unprofitable thing to spend time on

[vestal thorn]

Let me know too Plz 🙏 I've only seen the wiki stuff.

[vagrant stone]

i wonder how much they'll charge

[wind nebula]

check the development channel for the maps

[lucid root]

@fast lily I'm just guessing here but I think the merchant quests might be a way to help you get on your feet if you keep dying in a row. So you can hand in some quests and gear up

Not like crazy gear but enough gold for some upgrades

[lucid root]

Thanks 🙏

[wind nebula]

50g for fighter pretty much gets you the best greys from the vendors. thats plate chest feet and helm. str pants and strenght gloves white weapon

[vagrant stone]

the whole gear dynamic is pretty interesting if you consider

1. Right now the less you die, the better gear you accumulate. A lot of players like PvP and so they generally prefer not going to hell, they just extract. This means that the more you win the more advantage you have against people who haven't been winning.
2. On the other hand gear could be a thing where it's a competition to collect the best gear. Ideally you want the players to be facing off against people who are also geared up pretty well.

I'm not a huge fan of #1 (kinda sucks for the newer players)

whereas #2 seems like a more fun concept

[wintry forge]

Is procedural generation really time consuming?

[vagrant stone]

yeah and I mean they said it would be

the game wasn't initially designed for that

[rare shale]

make Barb and wizard bis class and all is good

[wind nebula]

as a solo player. i was mostly extracting till i had money for pushes into hell. you could solo hell mini boss like the cenatar with a pasive shield. so i was doing that

so pushes into hell usually cost me money because i wasnt looting i was worried about keeping myself alive and keeping the utility in my backpack

[vagrant stone]

thats good that you had that experience, I know a lot of teams were more focused on the PvP and so like if one guy doesn't want to go to hell you kinda just have to extract.

[lucid root]

If I was trying to solo a boss I'd just wait until another group gets it low and hope I can pick the players off

[eager drum]

@wind nebula I'm sad to say that I didn't do hell runs until the very last day, I was so stingy with my gear the whole playtest it wasn't until the very last day I started messing around/going deeper and just cheesing builds

[wind nebula]

spend money youll win more but losing will hurt more

again 50g for full plate on fighter. its greys who cares. but youll lok scary and and wreck no comms 3s easy

[vagrant stone]

out of curiosity why were you farming the centaur so much?

as opposed to like the wraith/champion

[wind nebula]

i wanted gear and it was better gear and most of the time safer then going after first floor wraiths or high roller first floor wraiths

as a solo most 3 mans were pushing and cheesing that room pretty fast

[vagrant stone]

yeah, for me the first floor wraiths were pretty safe

maybe the loot from centaur should be buffed

[wind nebula]

i mean

eh

again its 100% cheese-able like the wraith and champs on the first floor

so i dont care

[vagrant stone]

i'm just thinking of ways that people could be motivated to go to hell

[lucid root]

Does the centaur drop anything good?

[vagrant stone]

his stuff is worse than wraith/champion

[lucid root]

Lame

[vestal thorn]

The better drop rates in B3 are I think the right step. Might need to tweak it a bit more or possibly add better hoard key drops there and I think it'll follow.

[vagrant stone]

i feel like if you die and lose your decent gear (like blues/purples), you should have to go to the hell to get that gear back again (assuming you didn't kill somebody with good gear in PvP)

[wind nebula]

again unless i lobby wiped because i was geared outta my mind i didnt like doing wraiths. again solo and i get walked up on im pretty much dead

[eager drum]

I made bank wiping wraiths and mining the ore then selling it

The price people were paying for the ore was dummy inflated

[wind nebula]

i couldnt be bothered with the crafting or mining

[eager drum]

I think it's a cool feature it just needs some tweaking

[vagrant stone]

you know personally I felt like in normal mode, with no good gear, it was more rewarding to go for the wraith/champion because I had nothing to lose

maybe not good for escapes but for gear

[vestal thorn]

I wanted to mine, but then realized it's faster to just get gold killing people instead.

[wind nebula]

takes up too much room doesnt stack high enough. and you can get comparable loot from raid

[lucid root]

I always mined

[vagrant stone]

i feel like the mining is a bit of a meme

[vestal thorn]

The stats on class specific items also need to be weighted first before I mine more too cause that always feels bad.

[lucid root]

If mining was a little faster that'd be nice

[wind nebula]

eh i like the randomness in stats.

[eager drum]

Honestly it took so much time, so much inventory space, and mediocre gear at the end

[wind nebula]

if you gotta hold your shit till your vendor rolls well. welp i guess you sitting on the rock a bit

[eager drum]

But I was selling them for 35-40 gold and ended up getting up to 6k

[vagrant stone]

what class did you play the most @wind nebula ?

[vestal thorn]

I just mean so it feels a bit better vs the CC stuff, vs time it takes to mine vs kill/rat.

[wind nebula]

fighter

second playtest i was in the top 100 for fighter extracts. for playtest 3 i didnt do any high roller stuff to push leaderboards

[lucid root]

Doing groups or solo?

[wind nebula]

i was mostly solo for playtest 2. the last 30 hours i rerolled another fighter named "zzTopOfTheList" and was trying to carry no comm groups. all solo playtest 3 but the literallt 5 games i did with irl friends to show them and try to get the interested

[lucid root]

Oh damn, top 100 solo is really good

[wind nebula]

even not playing the last 30 hours on the toon in the top i was still up there

i have like 400 hours in the game

.<

[lucid root]

I mean I only played the last playtest but I only got 30 hours o_o

Going to have to do some studying to catch up that way

[wind nebula]

best duo starter is fighter/ranger if you only have one friend

[wintry forge]

What's the best solo class?

[lucid root]

Sadly I have no friend. Spent all my hours on wizard

[wind nebula]

thats a playstyle thing for solo

like wiz. buy the crystal ball and a rondal and drop all your gear but the boots

your spell wheel should be ignite invis haste magic missile zap

[lucid root]

I did that, but ran book, boots and gloves

[wind nebula]

yea the will wisdom gloves super good buy for like 6 gold

those gloves let you run fireball over magic missile

i like the rondal dagger and ball. you haste ignite invis run at them and stab their face off. you pretty much are a better rogue

will knowledge gloves sorry

[vestal thorn]

I have to say, if you can aim. The melee wiz build seems so...counter productive. Although I know how easy to faceroll people noobs it is.

[wind nebula]

it has the most outplay potential. solo wizard

[vestal thorn]

I feel like with gear + skill and solo, being able to use more than half of your spells seems better at least on paper.

Of course no one just uses ignite invis haste to pvp, but yeah...

Fire ball and chain are insane

[wind nebula]

well you will "always" ignite before you cast anything

[vestal thorn]

Corpse casting chain lightning is stupid

[wind nebula]

i tested it with a barb with the magic resist and skelly skin

and a bunch of magic resist stuff

hed smash a door and use him as a lightning rod

[vestal thorn]

You can do that too, but abusing corpses was something I saw pretty rarely

[wind nebula]

we trapped corpses. everyone expects that shit in the doorways

again there is actually a very high skill ceiling for this game

[vestal thorn]

I mean for mostly chain lightning. Cause it acts just like that barb scenario.

[lucid root]

Ignite before casting? This was fixed right

[vestal thorn]

It still adds flat magic damage unless the tooltip on wiki is old I thought.

[wind nebula]

it was adding extra extra damage. now its applying extra correctly

im stoned and yea youll get it

[lucid root]

Thought they did a hot fix that just made it not affect spells at all anymore but I'm not sure

[vestal thorn]

A lot of items I think are missing their magic resist still too right? so I'm not expecting this type of Wiz damage in full release.

[wind nebula]

im pretty shure it was pretty well in there

[vestal thorn]

tbf wiz doesn't even need ignite lol

[wind nebula]

the fighter plater had the magic resist negs and some were better for magic resist

barb has the magic resist perk

so maybe some of the "softer" tier armors still need adjusted

[lucid root]

Yeah it's good but I didn't use it much

[wind nebula]

bro... flat 5 extra damage is a lot in this game

as a fighter. you stab me with a grey rondal. i think thats 19 damage? my armor i take 15. then you do a flat 5 more. thats a 1/5 my hp. and you stab really fast

a zap with ignite does almost 50%

[lucid root]

As good as it is I thought rogue daggers still do better

[wind nebula]

they just have different bonuses on them

again solo. stab people. group play wiz. buff bot a beefcake and send him roided out his mind

[lucid root]

Someone said the damage was close but rogues do a little more

[vestal thorn]

Pretty sure the only better rogue dagger is castillion and only the 3rd hit of the combo (150%), I think no-one really does combo loading either.

[wind nebula]

stilletto > cast

move set better. left handed for over shields. dont use a main hand unless you have something insane so you have higher move speeds

[lucid root]

Hot fix #4 I think is the one where they fixed spells igniting

Just says ignite malfunctioning but pretty sure that was it

[wind nebula]

it was double stacking

so on magic missile it would do the MM damage plus 5. then the next missile damage was that plus 5

so at the end of all the missiles it was doing something like 400 if they all hit

on fireball. the dot ticks would stack. the first tick would do whatever plus 5. then the new number plus 5 more

[lucid root]

I think I started playing right after they patched it

[soft relic]

Stiletto had bonus damage on the third hit as well, just like the Castillon did. The only difference was the attack animations, which depended on your playstyle more than anthing.

Stiletto also had this weird dead zone from what I found. If you got too close to a target, it would phase through them instead of dealing damage, which I found highly annoying. Still a good weapon

[wind nebula]

i mean the left handed for over the shield. was kinda huge. and doesnt it have better movespeed then the others?

[soft relic]

I think Stiletto was the same move speed as Castillon. But both could hit around shields pretty easily

[wind nebula]

cast was slash slash stab and still sis stab stab slash?

[soft relic]

Yep

The main issue was, if they blocked up, it would block the stiletto and it had no extra angles to hit around. Castillon could slash the feet a little easier

In high gear though, either one was 2 shotting anyone from the back, so it didn't matter haha

I think castillon was better for PvE, with stiletto having the edge in PvP, but it was very close tbh

And either one was better than the mainhands

[wind nebula]

timing when you open is a big deal too. in team fights. i found dragging my weapons on cleaves killed rogues while getting damage on others

[soft relic]

Yeah. That was the hardest part about rogue. Learning when to engage

[lucid root]

Can you accelerate swings in this game too?

[wind nebula]

not accelerate but theres drag

[vestal thorn]

Opening a fight? I'd imagine its off any sort of poke damage. Then teams just collapse to press

[lucid root]

Drags are a big deal too

[wind nebula]

like you wont do more damage because you swung into the weapon but you can cleave people if the swing animation still hits them

like the falcion. i cleaved a bunch of rogue oneshots with it because the opened at wrong times

[lucid root]

Would be nice to see rig tracing, no dev commands sadly

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Shields don't block arrows while on your back? I would've assumed it was already like that

[vestal thorn]

That would be broken, so I'm glad it doesn't I don't want some Pavise (pan meta from pubg or something lol)

[lucid root]

Turtle meta

[vestal thorn]

Not sure how I feel about the 1 hander dagger meta / move speed meta, prob will change though by next play test

[wind nebula]

pavise is good for pushing ranger as fighter. if you have counterattck perk. if he shoots into the pasive you get move speed

[vestal thorn]

I'm reminded of a clip where a front liner jumps on the pavise then over to the backliners. Which is amusing and I'm glad it actually does work.

[lucid root]

Didn't the shields on your back block arrows in chiv?

I remember the pavise being fucking huge on the archers back

Covers almost his entire body

You see like his ankles down and the top of his head lol

@visual goblet how would you go about implementing the gear score system?

[visual goblet]

@lucid root not sure at all 😄 ive seen some games with that incorporated; destiny; wow; a lot of em...
Maybe just the <<gold value>> of the gear would be a start

[lucid root]

Some mmos do it by rarity>prefix range>affix range

Then you'd have to sort it by whats good for each class or else you could have someone with a high score and all the wrong stats

[visual goblet]

sounds good; tbh this suggestion is a reaction to endless hours of asking for teamates that have purple + gear in the LFG channel and inspecting them in the lobby and finding out they just straight up lied and now youre stuck with this guy wearing all grey in HR. In real team fights, a dead weight like this would just get 1 shot usually, which meant either -70 gold and the gear i was wearing or playing defensive the rest of the match

[lusty wren]

I would have upvoted you if you left out the gear score part. Keep gear score out of DaD! It has no place here!

You are overvaluing gear when choosing people to play with. Gear should not be your concern

[lucid root]

I didn't play groups so I don't really know how people advertised themselves

[lusty wren]

Gear score is shit

[lucid root]

By leaderboard rank?

[lusty wren]

By playing with people you enjoy and have fun with 😄

Or you think is "good" their gear matters not

and its a faux metric that will only lead to sadness.

[vagrant stone]

i'm surprised this one got so many upvotes #d-and-d-suggestions message

if you do that, people will take pavise and then whenever an arrow comes they will spin 180 to block it

[lusty wren]

Yes its close to be downvote heavy KEEP downvoting!

[lucid root]

I upvoted it 😏

[lusty wren]

Only a matter of time before its downvote heavy

[lucid root]

Ranger vs ranger, ten hours later

Oh wait rangers can't use shields can they

[lusty wren]

Ranger can use pavise

or at least could at one time

[agile condor]

This will probably ruin it but I have a 100% suggestion lol
#d-and-d-suggestions message

@lucid root Look what you did you little jerk

[lusty wren]

Its a good suggestion I wante3d to downvote for the meme

but I cannot

[agile condor]

Kappa

[lucid root]

I fixed it 😳

Nah I took it back off

[agile condor]

😄

I mean, vote freely, it'll all good - was just surprised noone downvoted

[lusty wren]

its one of the best ideas in the thread so im not surprised

[lucid root]

I was going to mention a name but I don't want to get muted again 👀

[lusty wren]

lol what you get muted for?

[lucid root]

The master of all suggestions, he who shall not be named

[lusty wren]

lol

[lucid root]

#d-and-d-suggestions message
Random chance of collapsing from a heart attack?

[lusty wren]

QUICK TO THE DOWNVOTE

[lucid root]

I mean not everyone can cut it in the world of dungeoneering

"Especially if they have been running a lot" masterful troll

[white cliff]

@visual goblet This suggestion has been discussed many times. If you want to find people to play with just use the discord. An open queue would cause problems like team killing and griefing.

[lusty wren]

I mean his suggestion is likely how the devs will do it. MINUS the shit gear score part of the suggestion. Still downvote though cus that part of the suggestion ruins it 😉

[white cliff]

Based on QnA’s that’s highly unlikely.

[lusty wren]

Not at all, have you watched the Pestily interview?

[white cliff]

I haven’t seen the opinion stated, that they’re planning on letting solos queue into groups, no.

Link and time stamp?

[lusty wren]

Its already split up just look for solo queue. He leaves the door wide open for just about anything on that front. Just states he does not want a solo queue and will try everything to not have one

[white cliff]

Yeah like I said they don’t want a solo queue and have encouraged people to use the discord.

[lusty wren]

The suggestion is asking to be automatically paired with people not for a solo queue

Which is very likely to be a option they experiment with

[white cliff]

Yeah I love getting TK’d by randoms in a loot extract game…

[lusty wren]

Then find your own party

😉

[white cliff]

I have plenty of people to play with, but I don’t need half my lobbies griefed.

[lusty wren]

Also TK can be punished, Sure a bit hard but you look at where deaths occurred and who is in the vicinity if you see someone killing in the spawn room you punish. If you see someone killing teammates at portals alone. Punish.

[white cliff]

Who’s moderating this though?

[lusty wren]

Most of it could easily be automated

[white cliff]

How does a bot distinguish when I accidentally TK, and purposefully do it.

[lusty wren]

Lots of ways

[white cliff]

I’ll just wait a few rooms and fireball my team.

[lusty wren]

two i have already epxlained

The point is, they want to do something for solos, and its an option. They will likely experiment with alot of options as they have specifically said they would

But it doesn't really matter cus the suggestion is shit because it wants a gear score added

[white cliff]

I think it’s a shit suggestion either way but sure.

I have yet to find a convincing method to handle solos, which isn’t promising with a sample size of tens of thousands of people who have played the game.

[agile condor]

Suggestion: Players can now get a cold and walk around coughing & sneezing at times. Would help with immersion

[lusty wren]

Well if they dont find a alternative they were pretty clear they would consider solo queue at that time 😄

so I hope they do

[white cliff]

Or they reconsider just not adding one.

[lucid root]

Characters randomly fart every 10-15 seconds

[agile condor]

I want to see my character blink so that I can be immersed

[lucid root]

Aha! I can smell you rogue

I did it, I made a suggestion 🎉

It was a feature in red orchestra that I liked

[visual goblet]

whoah whoah bro if you read my message over there youll understand my position

[lusty wren]

I read them

I still don't like your suggestion specifically stating to add a gear score 😄

[visual goblet]

could be <<similar amounts of extracts>>

i just dont like queuing up with people taht are plain bad, but most people dont have this problem 8) (most people dont have any standards and arent tryhard poggy headshotting bigballs dude like me)

[lusty wren]

GEAR is not a metric to determine skill

[visual goblet]

right now it is, By a -LOT- Imo

[lusty wren]

negative

[glacial bridge]

just be a bad teammate and abandon them if theyre bad. adding in GS or matchmaking rating is the worst thing to do for a game like this

[visual goblet]

well i think that mythic gear is WAY stronger than grey gear and that grey gear wearing people in HR are a burden, but you dont have to agree

[white cliff]

How much high roller did you play?

[lusty wren]

Went into high rollers damn near naked many times and killed teams with much better gear many times. If you think gear is a skill indicator you lack the latter

[visual goblet]

Cmon man do you have to be like that

[white cliff]

A lot of people played high roller naked lol.

[lusty wren]

I stated I like the suggestion other then the gear score part of it.

[visual goblet]

you know what youre doing about that Skill thing

im not saying <<YOU CAnt go in grey in HR>>

im saying i dont want to queue with YOU

basically

[white cliff]

Why are you streaming this chat btw?

[lusty wren]

Then form your own team?

😄

[visual goblet]

im just streaming period...

[glacial bridge]

ill take a person in greys with a brain over a person in blues whos clueless any day tho

[white cliff]

I don’t want to queue with anybody below top 500 then if we can decide who we want to play with.

I don’t want you on my team.

🤷🏼‍♂️

[visual goblet]

basically ive had <<bad players in grey>> and <<good players in grey>>, also bad players in purples>> and <<good players in grey>>

[lucid root]

Hi I have neither of those

[visual goblet]

i would rather have a bad player in purple than a bad player in grey thats for sure

[lusty wren]

Then why do you want to make teams based on a stupid thing such as gear score?

[visual goblet]

why do you add the word stupid

[lusty wren]

If you have seen good players in grey

[visual goblet]

im done talking with you

[lusty wren]

why deny those good players?

[white cliff]

Or just okay with people you know.

[glacial bridge]

thats okay, if you get caught ill just dip c:

[lusty wren]

Ya id leave if I had no argument also

[visual goblet]

look, you probly werent good enough for me in grey gears, Like it or not

[white cliff]

Who are you…?

[visual goblet]

lets check match scores and K/D/A but we cant and we dont care

im just saying

[lusty wren]

And? I play with friends... This helps alot when finding groups 😄

[white cliff]

We absolutely can check Lb rank..

[visual goblet]

i want some way to queue up with people that have similar skills

OH yeah playing with freinds is TOTALLY DIFFERENT

[glacial bridge]

you're in the right place. this is in fact the Dark and Darker discord where you can look for teammates of a similar skill

[visual goblet]

im talking more about the LFG mayhem

[white cliff]

Get more friends?

I don’t know.

[visual goblet]

ejsus fucking christ you guys are insanely annoying

[white cliff]

Stupid suggestion was stupid, argument was even worse.

[lusty wren]

I am 100% fine with a matching system for people. I am not ok with it using GEARSCORE as its metric its just such a bad take

[visual goblet]

<<stupid>> suggestion is still a SUGGESTION

[white cliff]

And you’re a nobody giving another bad opinion lmao.

[glacial bridge]

just because you dont want to talk to someone doesnt mean the game needs to implement a system to bypass social interaction for you

[lucid root]

If you're in the discord and communicate well I assume that's miles better than randoms, I wouldn't know though

[visual goblet]

ive been flamed cuz u guys think ure GG with ur grey in HR and think its just FUNNY when u get wiped with your friendly IRL team, thats not my case sorry

[glacial bridge]

it IS funny when we get wiped

[lusty wren]

Who said anything along those lines?

You are projecting

We said gear score is not a metric to determine skill

[white cliff]

ejsus fucking christ this guy is insanely annoying

[lusty wren]

or that is what I said 😄

[visual goblet]

im just saying i dont want to be LFG asking people for <<geared>> people and then they lie and u inpsect them in lobby they are wearing all greys

[lusty wren]

Then stop using gear as your metric 😉

[white cliff]

Don’t care, didn’t ask.

[glacial bridge]

then queue alone

[visual goblet]

we could do a <<similar number of extracts or similar number of kills>>

we could do a <<similar number of extracts or similar number of kills>>

we could do a <<similar number of extracts or similar number of kills>>

[glacial bridge]

thats a bad idea

[white cliff]

Good, then you’d be nowhere near my lobbies.

Christ.

[glacial bridge]

you should feel bad for your bad idea

[white cliff]

Absolute brainlet.

[lusty wren]

Then you should not have specified GEARSCORE in your suggestion

[visual goblet]

please guys use your brain you know what im talking about, basically its SKILL BASED MATCH MAKING, many games have this

[white cliff]

HAAHHAHA

[visual goblet]

you can be against

[glacial bridge]

every person knows what you are talking about

[lusty wren]

OH now you want mmr

[visual goblet]

but dont fucking isnult me

[lusty wren]

😄

nah

no thanks

[lucid root]

Yeah a lot of people don't like it here

[white cliff]

Eat sand.

[visual goblet]

dont insult me i just suggested a SBMM, if u disagree press hte thumbs down and move on thanks

[lusty wren]

OH we did

[white cliff]

Suggestion channels here for a reason.

[lusty wren]

WE DID

but now we would like to discuss why we did

[visual goblet]

OH YOU DIDNT TALK LIEK YOU DID

[glacial bridge]

dont worry, i got you with that thumbs down my guy <3

[white cliff]

Were discussing it.

[lusty wren]

and to show others it to have them downvote it also for the same reasons

[white cliff]

It’s bad.

[visual goblet]

we can talk now i guess 😄

[white cliff]

Move on.

[lusty wren]

no

we need to spread the word so it gets downvoted properly

Otherwise it may end up in the game

[visual goblet]

i havent seen any real argument against my point except <<im so good i even win with greys>> which might be the case but i doubt it

[lusty wren]

Not a single person said this

[visual goblet]

yeayea vote it down, its democracy, but dont insult

[glacial bridge]

democracy is a terrible system

[visual goblet]

yeah someone said that earlier bro

ok bye

[white cliff]

Bye bye.

[lucid root]

For the people...by the people...but the people are retarded

[white cliff]

True.

[lucid root]

And I'm one of them 🥳

[white cliff]

I want this game to have sbmm, have overwatch ults, and give solo players 100% damage.

And leauge of legends mythics.

[warped stone]

Sbmm?

[white cliff]

Skill based match making.

[lusty wren]

MMR

[warped stone]

This channel is good content

[white cliff]

It’s mint.

[warped stone]

Thanks

[lucid root]

That's why he's streaming it

[white cliff]

There was a guy called Hymr who had those opinions, you can’t sort them anymore because he got booted.

Probably the funniest shit I’ve seen here.

[visual goblet]

get ready to thumbs down my new Post bois, make a little change to my suggestion

[lusty wren]

I saw the 100% dmg one

[lusty wren]

You can edit the OG one if youd rather not make a entirely new one

[white cliff]

Please don’t fill the chat with more garbage.

Didn’t read it, just down voted it.

[visual goblet]

not sure why normies have teeth today
Dont insult <<suggestions:: they are SUGGESTIONS
if you wanna just be a kid go in general chat, lets have real discussions here TY

[lusty wren]

This channel is for discussing said suggestions.

[glacial bridge]

i blame this for the convo taking a sudden and clear negative direction

lets just move on to a different topic tho

[white cliff]

Ditto.

Bump.

[lusty wren]

Agreed!

[visual goblet]

yeah lets move on cheerio bois

stay positive right?

[lucid root]

I will be a cranky bitch thank you

[white cliff]

You’re the umpteenth person that’s suggested sbmm, it’s not really a surprise that nobody wants to discuss it.

[lusty wren]

Eh i could care less, your the one who said someone cant insult your suggestion which is kinda what this chat is for

[visual goblet]

devs have the last call dont get emotional, i didnt know so many people suggested SBMM

alright fuck all of yalls grey wearing plebs

im out

[lusty wren]

You said this before

[visual goblet]

yeah

[glacial bridge]

loool

dont get emotional, also fuck you im leaving <mic drop> <time to wait and see they miss me>

[lucid root]

You love us too much to leave ❤️

[visual goblet]

i still want to know why poeple that are bad actually want to play with me even tho i hate the fact you guys keep dying 😦

dont take it personal if its not you tho

[lusty wren]

I would not want to play with your toxic ass if you were the best player in the game 😄

[visual goblet]

i am and people do but thats alright stay in the darkness 😛

[glacial bridge]

im just so bad, i need you to carry me please. i will force the devs to pair us together because that sounds just so fun

[visual goblet]

i just want to find tryhards like me easier 😦

[lusty wren]

Ya people want to play with you, yet you cant seem to find groups that meet your expectations 😄

[visual goblet]

i find SOME but its kinda hard TBH

[lucid root]

Suspense with the clutch

[visual goblet]

just finding all purple wearing team on the last day was har

[white cliff]

You’re not in the top discords or any tournament discords lol.

I don’t think you know where the tryhards are….

[lusty wren]

I am moving on, Thanks for adding to the suggestions though bluefire no matter how much I dislike it, at least you are participating 😄

[visual goblet]

im not even sure what that mean////

i couldnt make it in the tourney i was busy

[brittle patrol]

@lucid root good suggestion but would you want a feature to unadd dirt/grit from your character?

[visual goblet]

thank you a good comment, make me pleased to read you

[white cliff]

There’s been tournaments before.

[glacial bridge]

ngl i fucking hate tournaments. won in September and it took all the fun out of the game I was playing. then they dragged their heels and didnt pay me my winnings until Dec 29th

[visual goblet]

ive seen one so far and it wasnt an official D&Der one i think

[wintry forge]

Why is matchmaking based on extraction success rate a bad idea?

[visual goblet]

thank you for actually adressing my suggestion like a human being!!!!!!!!!

[lusty wren]

Why is your PFP so good? Random google search? Or what?

[brittle patrol]

it leads to q times being much higher depending on if youre ultra great or ultra trash

[white cliff]

The guy who gets 50 downvotes every suggestion agrees with you, is probably a bad metric is success.

[visual goblet]

lets imagine queues arent long because this will be the new best game 😄

[brittle patrol]

take wow 3v3 for example, being high rated means 3 min q times sometimes at cerian times, where as if you are normal or lower mmr you get instant pops

[visual goblet]

thats a sophism

[lusty wren]

Also punching up happens all the time in this game. Catch a more skilled team looting or dealing with PVE, there is alot of room to punch up. Taking that away would be lame

[white cliff]

Here I’ll hit you with another intro psych term, dunning kruger syndrome.

[visual goblet]

dude get a grip im just saying your argument is invalid and you know im right

[glacial bridge]

this is a game where blue portals send 1 person back to base. its already a conflicting choice for teams who are trying to make the right decision. Adding +mmr for leaving your team behind is the opposite mindset I want to see. The better players should want to help their new teammate extract successfully and take on the risk of staying later.

[visual goblet]

its like saying <<joe biden is samrt since everyone votes for him>> 😦

[white cliff]

And I’m saying your suggestion is invalid because you’re suffering from dunning kruger syndrome.

[lucid root]

Yeah just the ol' goog