suggestion-discussion

[lucid root]

Do you think they would give any of the casters a teleport skill? I doubt it but I don't know if they want that

[lusty escarp]

i feel as if teleport would be very clunky

in a game like this

[glacial bridge]

i think it would be fine. obviously a cast not some wow blink

not on my priority of wishes though

[lusty escarp]

since it's first person, unless they take measures against in close corridors you'd just be teleporting in front of other people/mobs

it wouldnt be very useful in the situations you'd hope for it to be useful in

[lucid root]

I'd probably use it to teleport enemies into death traps

[glacial bridge]

you wouldnt have to worry about people blinking with a fully charged fireball. it might make the 0.1 cast time Skill more tempting

[lucid root]

Teleporting other players would just be op as hell

[glacial bridge]

yeah I assume they wouldnt do that, sounds much harder to target anyways

[lusty escarp]

if you could teleport others why wouldn't you just get a squad of 3 wizards and camp a trap?

[glacial bridge]

enemy teleports for turn based games

[lusty escarp]

just shuffle someone around into the trap

[glacial bridge]

how about Stoneskin for Wizards? :)

[lusty escarp]

definitely do want a shield spell of some sorts for wizards

although, that already is a perk of theirs

[glacial bridge]

i would imagine it would only affect physical damage and have the downside of movement speed loss

[lusty escarp]

i feel like it could have a fire and lightning damage reduction as well

just not explosive spells

like fireball

[lucid root]

That orb spell in diablo that soaks up physical hits

Orbs circle around you

God damnit we're supposed to be nerfing wizard and we all want to make it cooler

[glacial bridge]

they need to try and be as cool as I have built up Bard to be in my head

[lucid root]

Well that's just impossible

[glacial bridge]

fair

[minor pond]

Bruh damn auto correct made my suggestion sound like opposite

[lucid root]

We could just make wizard so utterly useless in group play that you're only viable solo

Every spell is even more dangerous to your party

Nah that's an inadvertent buff lol

[finite tide]

Gib teleport skill

[verbal marsh]

You tried playing a mage in a pug ? lol it is almost that way already : P

Feel like some players were doing it on purpose.

[lucid root]

I didn't play in groups but I can imagine

I'd probably just stick to hasting team

[lusty escarp]

i have killed so many of my teammates because they seem to just magnetically flow towards my spells

was running ignite, magic missile, haste, fireball, zap

[twin thorn]

theres some teammates who are master at getting in the way for no reasons

[lucid root]

When your hair starts to stick up you're too close

[verbal marsh]

I had barbarians puposely walking infront of me from behind to kill me : |

[lusty escarp]

even as ranger my teammates walk infront of me so much

such a tiny hitbox for an arrow yet they still manage to walk infront of it and get headshot

when i loudly exclaim

"im gonna shoot that guy"

[twin thorn]

exactly haha

[verbal marsh]

Yeah there was so many brain dead hold w players lol

[lucid root]

That's the barb meta, w+m1

[verbal marsh]

not when your wizard is chain casting their third fireball lol

ish like dude, let me do my thing for a second.

[lusty escarp]

magic missile aiming is so crazy lol

i was hitting this skelly

and my teammate walks past him once

[lucid root]

Nothing sucks more than missing every missile

[lusty escarp]

suddenly they all fly towards him

and he dies

and then when i try to hit an enemy player they all miss

[verbal marsh]

I don't bother with helping my teamates in pve with it if they're already in room

I just go into next room and quick solo entire room while they're fighting lol

[lusty escarp]

since that situation im pretty much stuck to initiating combat with a fireball and then hasting and igniting my teammates

ill definitely fireball a fleeing enemy though

[lucid root]

Kill the players while team clears the mobs

[verbal marsh]

I just zap

[lusty escarp]

zap hitbox is wonky

i zapped a skelly and it went thru his ribcage and hit my teammate

[lucid root]

Zap almost one shots a skull right? You just need a little bit extra magic damage

[verbal marsh]

zap didn't deal extra dmg to heads, you could hit their feet and deal same

[lusty escarp]

pretty sure zap oneshots a skull regardless of that

i spawned in as my first wiz and one-shot a flying skull

[lucid root]

Hmm I thought default load out can't one shot

[verbal marsh]

yeah zap was great for death skulls

So was chain lightning

[lucid root]

I never ran chain lightning actually

[wary shell]

I loved going to the big pyramid room as cleric

and having the AoE

😙 👌

[verbal marsh]

it wasnt that great to run since recharge was poor

[finite tide]

i prefer lightning strike over chain lightning just wish strike did a lil more dmg

[verbal marsh]

felt like haste, zap, missile, and fireball were all core required spells

only 1 slot was optional

[lucid root]

I stopped using ignite, but I only play solo

[verbal marsh]

some people swore by ignite dagger builds

I just enjoyed burning and electrocuting people more.

[lucid root]

I wasn't big on it, felt like you practically had to be inside the person to consistently hit with daggers

[lusty escarp]

going cleric wizard rogue is awesome for bless ignite haste tho

give the rogue a good rondel and a stiletto

plus backstab

and some poison plus rupture

crazy damage

[verbal marsh]

yeah but all you need is arcande mastery for instant invis with haste then boost fire damage twice and knowledge

yeah hasting a good rogue is disgusting with fire enchant

[lucid root]

That's scary

[serene snow]

Is this suggestion already planned by the devs?
#d-and-d-suggestions message

[verbal marsh]

its just important to be able to put in same work as wiz incase you get caught also : P

[lucid root]

Unidentified items?

[verbal marsh]

if ur casting those 3 spells all the time sometimes u miss and need to be able to do the work urself

[serene snow]

I saw something about identifying speed somewhere already

[lucid root]

Like a scholar ability but you can only identify in a match. Sounds brutal

[verbal marsh]

Yeah I don't think they'll bother with that tho detracts a lot from overall

I killed plenty of people with lightning strike

[lucid root]

How much damage does it do?

[verbal marsh]

it was good for hittin gpeople hiding on the edge of corners.

[glacial bridge]

i was in a base loadout and hit a fighter with 4 lightning strikes and he didnt go down so i never used the spell again. harder to land the hit didnt feel worth the effort

[verbal marsh]

also you can cast it directly at them to hit their feet so you dont need to exactly aim at ground either.

[lucid root]

Yeah I can see it being a good option to flush someone out from a corner

[verbal marsh]

I used it a lot in team fights cause I can miss ally's with it lol

[lucid root]

Fireball can kinda do that but you need to expose yourself for a moment

[verbal marsh]

but overall zap was still better.

if you wernt running invis lightning strike was good to take for extra spell damage.

[cerulean cypress]

any chance we can get a little more freedom in naming?

[verbal marsh]

I often would just come in with a single spellbook, haste-zap-mm-ls-fb and leave with full gear.

if you're solo clearing the extra spell is more useful then invis

else you may have no spells when you do find players

I don't get why people need to push the envelope with their names lol

[glacial bridge]

i assumed he meant Surname stuff which is common in D&D games

[cerulean cypress]

Yes, like, just let me use a space

even an underscore

[lucid root]

You can't use special characters?

[cerulean cypress]

netaive

[glacial bridge]

i didnt even try to be creative with my names

RogueXxxxx
RangerXxxxx
WizardXxxxx

[cerulean cypress]

I am which is why Id like a space

[lucid root]

On full release I can see them retracting that or else player names are going to get really long

[verbal marsh]

make the suggestion, cause I think they are leaning toward a more account based identifier rather then per character.

wouldn't hurt for them to allow spaces

[cerulean cypress]

But i like the names D:

[wary flower]

some use a crossbow for clearing without wasting spells

[glacial bridge]

ide also be down for Account identifier as your Surname. then everyone has a unique last name but the 6 characters could have matching first names with other players

[lucid root]

Can you ignite crossbow I never tried that

[wary flower]

i got even better results with a barb instead of a rogue, full buffed barb running like crazy coming out of invisibility is just nuts O_O

[verbal marsh]

I never really got to use my crossbow, I found it a bit clunky and throwing daggers were more useful for chase

[lusty escarp]

ignite is better on rogue due to attack speed

a hasted barb dual wielding hatchet and horsemans axe will get close tho

[verbal marsh]

I do hope they add Light and Heavy crossbows in addition to a hand crossbow for bards / fighters

[lusty escarp]

well they already do have the difference between the normal crossbow and the windlass crossbow

[verbal marsh]

windlass is like a siege crossbow tho

[lucid root]

Like dual wield a light crossbow with a sword

[lusty escarp]

sounds op tbh

[verbal marsh]

hand crossbows can be duel wielded, i jus tstarted a bard in bg3 lol

if you take the quick reload perk with it and some duel wield perks you can get off 4 shots in a turn lol

[sudden fractal]

@chilly nebula bro tell me about it

tried playing tarkov after it wiped and i already want to blow my fucking brains out

played ONE MATCH and died to a scav with no footsteps buckshot to head eyes

so yeah at this point, id do anything to play dark and darker again

[lucid root]

Maybe I'll play some d2 classic to scratch the loot crawler itch

[chilly nebula]

lol yea its tarkov the new map is cool but they released it after year and its unplayable

[wary flower]

yes, rogue can make a better dps overall when buffed, but who cares about dps when the barb can oneshot everyone and even go faster after using his own buffs

like... buff buff buff, invi, ROAR 1 shot 1 shot 1 shot, we are clear guys 😂

[chilly nebula]

i just hope they make barbarians a bit better

[sudden fractal]

i still cant get past 60fps on most maps with a 1080 ti

shit is unreal

[sudden fractal]

nahhh barbs r OP when used correctly

[glacial bridge]

yep, my brother plays fighter with just a 1h weapon and pops sprint

[lucid root]

I think barbs just get too overconfident and die

[sudden fractal]

fax

[chilly nebula]

a fighter easily outplays a barb

[sudden fractal]

its the same thing when anyone is facing a decent wizard

just bait out the spells and you win

[lucid root]

Panic fireball until they're out then the rest is just a chasing game

[sudden fractal]

especially if ur a barb, theres no excuse for not being able to run away cuz u can bust down doors with ur axe

[verbal marsh]

I just save my last fireball and find a door to meditate behind lol

[glacial bridge]

Barbarians and Ranger are just the 2 classes that noobs gravitate to. there are many good ones im not talking trash, you will just notice very low skill players on those classes more than most

[sudden fractal]

noobs gravitate to barb?

they might do, but do they do good?

[wary flower]

we even made a couple of troll runs where we all went in naked with the skeleton skin, buffing the barb and letting him wipe the enemy squad while eating popcorn in the back 😅

[glacial bridge]

they smash skeletons easier and get the impression barb is god. then they run in a straight line in a hallway and die in pvp overconfident

[verbal marsh]

but barb is god xD

[glacial bridge]

xD

[sudden fractal]

yeah, all classes are in very good positions balance wise

other than ignite on wizard, that is too strong and it doesnt take too much to see that

but just nerf the dmg on the spell and it'll be fine

[verbal marsh]

ignite only added 5 dmg O.o

[sudden fractal]

thought it was 11 by default

also it scales with magic dmg stats

[lucid root]

I thought it was 5 magic damage added

[verbal marsh]

you might burn for 6 I never checked the burn

[wary flower]

well, at least they fixed the "bug" that added ignite to each ball of the fire missile, since then in my opinion is just ok, not overpowered

[sudden fractal]

idk what the exact number is, but idk something about a dagger doing 70dmg +fire ticks just doesnt sit right with me lmao

[verbal marsh]

people said it was adding to magic missile xD

[lucid root]

I thought people were trolling about the ignite magic missile

[wary flower]

it did add, but i'm pretty sure they changed it in the last few days

[verbal marsh]

yeah i stopped using ignite when i found out it was lol

[minor pond]

It’s a 1080 what do you expect… Just because it’s a physical powerhouse doesn’t mean it has the software capabilities to keep up with whatever the game is using, probably dx12

[wary flower]

or at least that's what I felt after a hotfix that said something like "we changed something about ignite" (don't remember it correctly)

[verbal marsh]

they didnt specify but yeah it said that

[sudden fractal]

man 1080 ti is plenty capable to run pretty much every game ever at 100+ fps, no excuse for a game ESPECIALLY one like tarkov to be running so shit after all this time

[sudden fractal]

even the newer cards barely push past 100

[glacial bridge]

1080 is a barbarian, a 3060 is a wizard

[verbal marsh]

lol

[sudden fractal]

the way i look at it, if i spend £3000 on a pc then i expect 300fps in my games

not 100

[verbal marsh]

1080 is a nomad, 3080 is a corpo : P

[minor pond]

Do some research about your card brotha, also tarkov uses unity engine so unless your using an intel cpu your kinda fucked. Tarkov is not a gpu heavy game in comparison

[ancient briar]

well that's not how it works. you can expect that playing old games.

[minor pond]

That’s cap I’m using a 2070s and I never drop below 160 on max settings

[glacial bridge]

i can walk into an apple store and spend $3000. it doesnt mean I own anything of value :D

[wary flower]

1080 pc +3000€? you may be talking about a few years ago?

[verbal marsh]

I don't even bother to look at my settings on the game cause it just runs xD

[sudden fractal]

rust is a unity game and doesnt that game rly like amd cpus?

man im not saying i have £3000 pc

im just saying in general

i wish i could run tarkov at 100fps lmao

[lucid root]

Tarkov or this game?

[sudden fractal]

tarkov

[glacial bridge]

Compatibility issues suck but they do exist. their variables operate outside of the actual power of your hardware

[lucid root]

I was about to say I'm running dnd on a 3050ti lol

[verbal marsh]

same 3050

[sudden fractal]

yeah nah we were talking ab how shit tarkov optimization is

bcuz lets be honest it is shit

[verbal marsh]

I mainly need to upgrade my cpu and get more ram

[lucid root]

My cheap lenovo gaming laptop runs pretty much everything

[verbal marsh]

I've an i5, I'm probably just going to upgrade to the latest crystal lakes socket available and double down my ram and I should be fine another 2-4 years

[wary flower]

I was going to say: just buy and Iphone, it can run any game at max fps. But then I remembered that I'm a mod and I shouldn't troll u.u

[sudden fractal]

its like with every wipe the performance gets worse

[lucid root]

I think someone messed up on the pricing of the ideapad gaming it was $570 for a day I jumped on it

[verbal marsh]

video cards cost more then that nowadays >.>

[lucid root]

For real

[verbal marsh]

if you havn't spent 300$ in the last 2 years on your video card, you're basically overdue an update.

[sudden fractal]

few months ago i bought a good msi 1080 ti for like £250

which is more than 300$ i think

[ancient briar]

I think you might have overpaid.

[verbal marsh]

1080 is a good card, but it wont be long before you begin to get phased out

[sudden fractal]

nahh not exactly £250

maybe it was less i dont remember

[ancient briar]

I would recommend getting anything new that's in your budget

[sudden fractal]

its good for the games i play so i aint complaining

[verbal marsh]

thats good

[glacial bridge]

im gonna run my 1660 until it burns out

[wary flower]

well, being clear, most games this days are really demanding. I love how they look, but it's starting to be a burden to the overall gaming community. Last year I couldn't have played D&Darker

[sudden fractal]

i did want to get a 3070 ti but i aint paying £600 for a card fuck that

plus i had one before and i refunded cuz i barely got an fps increase

wont get into it, no one could identify the issue

[rough elm]

isn't gtx 1080 comparable to RTX 3050 > ?

[minor pond]

Hardware not software, newer games gonnna run like crap on 1080

[muted crag]

Technology is a manufacturer of diminishing returns, so dont worry none if you dont get the new thing.

[verbal marsh]

you really have to keep your eye out for good deals you can get half off if you do.

[sudden fractal]

to clarify, u mean 1080 TI right? cuz 1080 and ti are very different

[rough elm]

And primarily talking about just GTX 1080 not Ti version

[sudden fractal]

right

[lucid root]

1080ti was the goat of future proofing

[sudden fractal]

pretty sure 3050 runs worse doesnt it?

[verbal marsh]

yeah; I always find a good sale when I get my parts.

[muted crag]

I mean, whats the mucking difference of GPUs other than VRAM?

[verbal marsh]

your hrz

[rapid bronze]

yea, 1080ti is ~90% better than 3050, ofc if you exclude raytracing

[sudden fractal]

alot? lol

[muted crag]

Do tell

[verbal marsh]

comes down to how much multi processing you do after a certain point.

[lucid root]

I thought a 1080ti was more comparable to like a 3060 ti

[sudden fractal]

cuda cores? raytracing? mhz? cooling? temps?

vram speed+capacity

[rough elm]

nah 3060ti is more powerful but 1080ti is not that far behind

[verbal marsh]

if you're opening just one window, and running one monitor, sure go down to walmart and buy a pc.

[sudden fractal]

u cant compare a 1080 ti with 11gb to a 3080ti with 11gb lol

[rough elm]

i guess 1080Ti = 3060

[sudden fractal]

that doesnt sound right at all lol

[lucid root]

3060 ti

[verbal marsh]

there are plenty of websites for comparing speeds and variables

[muted crag]

Its not supposed to sound right, its supposed to sound like a huge upgrade because of marketing.

[lucid root]

But they still trade on certain benchmarks

[sudden fractal]

at 1080p i think 1080 ti and 3060 ti perform the same

but at higher res i think 3000 series does better

[wary flower]

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3060-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1080-Ti/4090vs3918

[sudden fractal]

thats 3060 ti

[lucid root]

So 1080ti is still pulling its weight lol

[sudden fractal]

hell yeah

[muted crag]

Surely you can buy one off a crypto scalper by now.

[rough elm]

Basically 1080ti is between 3060-3060Ti in terms of performance and if u have it u will be good for years to come

[sudden fractal]

why would u tho lol

[lucid root]

One that hasn't been power washed

[muted crag]

Theyre overstoked on them due to scalping.

[lucid root]

I saw a video on someone pressure washing a pile of video cards o.O

[sudden fractal]

"crypto scalpers"
u mean scalpers? or crypto miners? cuz those 2 are different

scalper, yeah id buy a card from them cuz they arent used

[verbal marsh]

damn 1080 ti's still a damn good card

[sudden fractal]

miners? fuck no that card is barely breathing

[muted crag]

Yet they can be both.

[sudden fractal]

:/

[lucid root]

The 1080ti days were great, best era for games too

[muted crag]

Good point though, miners burn the hell out of their rigs with no cooling regards.

[verbal marsh]

my 2070s is better for multi processing according to this benchmark but the 1080ti says its better overall mmm

[rapid bronze]

3060 is not for gaming - the only strong thing it has - 12gb video memory, if you not looking at 3060-ti or better - just go for 1080ti - i'm personally do some tests and comparison within 1080ti, 3050, 3060ti 3070ti 1660 - if you dont care about RTX - 1080ti will be supercheap and has outstanding performance for fullHD even in novadays

[lucid root]

Wat

[rough elm]

prob because anything below 3060 Ti - RX 6700 will struggle to run 1440p on latest titles (well assuming playing on high graphics as well)

[lucid root]

meanwhile most pc gamers are on decade old laptops on the verge of catching fire

[sudden fractal]

i never checked my fps on dark and darker, does it perform well?

[glossy cloak]

rogue need trap

[sudden fractal]

altho now that i mention that sometimes near the end of the game i would get rly bad lag and go down to 40-50fps

[lucid root]

i never got drops on a 3050 ti, even particle effect spamming didn't really do much

[sudden fractal]

it didnt always happen, only a few times

maybe a memory leak or someshit

too many particles

could be anything

[red jewel]

It will never be balanced because +dmg gear works per tick. It says +5 damage, but you can get: +5 true magic, +5 magic, +5 additional magic damage, magic power on EVERY gear pierce. Ignite hits 3-4 tics with the burn duration perk. You end up doing 100+ dmg.

This is why fast weapons will always be god weapons in D&D.

[jagged thunder]

i dont think my pc could run the game less than 120fps

[sudden fractal]

then they gotta change how ignite works, simple :p

[tired osprey]

I didn't experience any issues with the game besides rare lag and I have a Rx 580.

[sudden fractal]

also thats fine cuz even without ignite some classes can 1shot with heavy weapons anyway

[glacial bridge]

seems simple to me. if burn does 4 ticks then give it 25% spellpower scaling

[sudden fractal]

or just make it not affect tick dmg

[red jewel]

It's not just ignite though. Magic damage boosts my arcane missiles to 90+ dmg PER MISSILE. It's just the way +dmg on gear works period.

Fast daggers will always own a 2h with +dmg

[sudden fractal]

then somethings gotta change

or it stays how it is, either way its fine

wizard will just be a bit harder to use

[red jewel]

A couple playtests ago +dmg with survival bows was oneshotting everyone while shooting like a machinegun. Fast weapons will always be the best as long as there's so many +dmg mods

[glacial bridge]

i mean... base fireball does 20+30, magic missiles does something like 12x10? so give magic missiles 40% scaling of spellpower, that will drop your total damage from 70 to like 40 per missile. still super devastating

[sudden fractal]

fireball does 20+30? what does that mean

[glacial bridge]

30 on hit, 20 splash

[sudden fractal]

ahhh

i thought it did more?

[spice pawn]

• DoT burn follow-up dmg

[sudden fractal]

zap does 33dmg

[lucid root]

it does that much?

[red jewel]

you can get like 15 raw damage on a piece of equipment with perfect rolls. But then you also have will bonus which sends dmg to the stratosphere

[sudden fractal]

thats what wiki says atleast

[spice pawn]

I thought zap does like 15 dmg

[lucid root]

i thought zap was like 10 damage for some reason lol

[tired osprey]

Only that? Damn then how did my full health fully kitted out fighter get one shot?

[lucid root]

negative magic resist?

[glacial bridge]

i have no idea, maybe both the hit and the splash scale separately with spellpower? add in the burn and it triple scales?

[spice pawn]

with good gear, zap becomes a decent revolver

[sudden fractal]

yeah wiki also says fireballs does
Head & Splash 74 + 33
Torso & Splash 49 + 33
Limb & Splash 33 + 24

[gray vessel]

It scales with WILL, so I imagine since wizard has high base will fireball will already do much more

[sudden fractal]

i wish the wiki was.. better

[lucid root]

we need the option to just chill in the tavern to test out damage on dummies

[tired osprey]

RIP my friend he had full blue and a purple longsword.

[glacial bridge]

yeah one of my suggestions from 3 days ago was detailed tooltip options and/or spell formulas

[spice pawn]

hopefully we can summon a clay golem like in Diablo 1

[gray vessel]

Yep, i made a suggestion to add more resistance and magic resistence to lategame armor because it just wasn't enough to keep up with peoples endgame damage output

[glacial bridge]

im pretty against summons/turrets/totems etc

automated damage is bad

[sudden fractal]

ayoooo willpower gives magic resist? i had no idea

[spice pawn]

I wouldn't mind garbage AI and weak dmg/life. just the body blocking potential alone will make for some laughs

[lucid root]

i think a personal player tavern where you and your party just walk around and test damage on dummies would be good

[sudden fractal]

we had a suggestion earlier that necromancer would revive AI to fight for him but they would res with less health and dmg

[glacial bridge]

dont you worry, thats been suggested 15+ times lol

[tired osprey]

Maybe have armours that spec into magic resistance and others into physical resistance but not too much in both. Some RPG's make non-metal stuff that is physically weak good against magic like wooden shields being magically resistant.

[sudden fractal]

and amount of summons u could have would scale with spell capacity

[lucid root]

the player tavern?

[glacial bridge]

yeah

[spice pawn]

I want to see necro's get body-block RIP'd by their own summons

[lucid root]

i don't think its a huge ask, just a 'get up from table' button and you start walking around the tavern

would affect load times to the main menu though

if its been asked so much i guess there's a good chance it'll make it in i guess

not that i don't trust tooltips, i just...don't always trust tooltips

poe has let me down too many times

[simple bluff]

poe? as in path of exile or im too uneducated lol

[lucid root]

yeah

[simple bluff]

yeah i play it to

it took me month to understand some bs

it fun till they patch your build to ground

[granite plinth]

#d-and-d-suggestions message

[lucid root]

"balanced of course"

[minor pond]

I really hope they don’t add private players stores…. It’s would just be a giant monopoly, Not to mention the disgusting amount of rmt that would take place (meaning more cheats too)

[lucid root]

someone suggested that?

[minor pond]

I’ve seen it like 4 times, they wanna be able to name their store n shit

[lucid root]

i like the idea of rare merchants, thats probably already been discussed though

twice a day for 30 minutes a rare merchant is up or something

[sterile idol]

It would advantage people who play a lot over those who don't have much time

imo it should be a probability to spawn after a game

[lucid root]

so you're incentivized for playing the game

[sterile idol]

What i mean is

They could spawn for someone at 6 PM

But for someone else it'd be 4 AM

Even if both are active players, there is a difference in availability

However if you use a probability system (e.g 1/20 for the rare merchant to spawn after a game for a limited time), then pretty much anyone could have a chance to trade with them

[granite plinth]

I didn't think my suggestion in #d-and-d-suggestions would be so polarizing

[glacial bridge]

i dont hate your suggestion but the way darkness works it would be a pain in the ass to find wall braziers.

i also like the concept that if i turn off all the lights in my room as a solo player, its intimidating so teams of 3 might decide its not worth

[lucid root]

do rogues have some ability that lets them see in the dark?

if not that'd be cool

any light source deactivates it and starts a 10-20ish second cooldown?

or any light source that gets close enough more specifically

not full on night vision but like an "adjusted eyesight" ability so you can see well enough

i'll see how well it does on make-suggestion

@jagged cobalt i like this idea, maybe "pray" instead of meditate?

oh i didn't see that you already said prayer

[jagged cobalt]

Yea but Clerics with unlimited heals could be op..

[lucid root]

hmm yeah thats true, maybe only able to pray at altars?

[granite plinth]

i still think cleric should get a knock back aside from bind. any bind users? then again maybe not. i could see binds to knockback into Rtraps or floor traps

[lucid root]

what about a holy light ability so monsters don't come any closer than a certain point, so you're safe from melee but not range

[granite plinth]

vista already super strong tbh

[lucid root]

yeah it is

[granite plinth]

im sadge i didnt abuse the judgement smite thing

[lucid root]

a warding light could be used as a pushback too if you walk towards mobs

wouldn't do anything to players obviously

getting close to paladin territory

[glacial bridge]

@rugged palm jokes aside, i would watch that movie

[glossy cloak]

rogue need trap

[lucid root]

caltrops?

[minor pond]

Could be very cool, slowing effect and damage when moving through

[rugged palm]

Hahaha yeah saw is awesome

yo they need to make a troll suggestion channel it started serious but us creatives, we like to have fun, people are being like BAN HIM, BAN HER, relax, it's fine, there is a 5m cd anyways.

I want drow with night vision and swashbuckling lets go

They are the only ones who could possibly cast darkness, anyways, which was being discussed.

Halflings should throw bolas which are a slow or root (NOT a ranger trap puzzle}

Sling can arc more but do more body damage since it's a blunt weapon

[minor pond]

Witch hunter class could be very cool, two small crossbows (one per hand) and ability to use the rapier. Able to use blood magic to embue his attack similar to wizard ignite, Basically just copy “Corvus Condrad” from the “Son of a dungeon” series

[lucid root]

hmm why is edit suggestion not working

says invalid id

i put in the right id

[night relic]

1508588

[rugged palm]

drow is a race not a class but w/e

[jagged thunder]

i hope they dont add playable races like dwarfs or hobbits, maybe as a mob players not so much

[lucid root]

hmm well i can't get it to work, what i meant to say was caltrops would be a throwable trap item not an ability

[minor pond]

I highly recommend you all watch “Son of a dungeon” before the next playtest 😉 it’s a 2 season DND show made by vfx artists and its soooo damn good - made by Corridor Crew

[gilded sigil]

Im guessing necromancer is gonna be one of the new classes they'll work on

[jagged thunder]

i think its going to be a class with a necro animation skill not a necro class

sorc im guessing

devs said something along the lines of they wanted players to have a skill to raise the dead

[lost meadow]

Game mode that just let's you play pve with friends no battle royal style would be fun.

[gilded sigil]

What about a druid class?

Elements and shapeshift

[jagged thunder]

i doubt they are going to do that its a pvpve game

[gilded sigil]

Ive been thinking of how the devs could make a dante's inferno level designed when u decide to go to hell.

[minor pond]

Maybe an offline mode that runs the server off your own pc, same as tarkov

[jagged thunder]

post in suggest make sure you word it nicely

[gilded sigil]

That would be great

[jagged thunder]

if they didnt seperate the storage system from the online account it would make it easy for players to farm high gear

[minor pond]

It wouldn’t have any progression, you wouldn’t lose gear, and anything you picked up would disappear

[jagged thunder]

plus it takes away from the core experience of the game which is random players wanting to rob and kill you

[minor pond]

Your looking at it backwards my g

It’s just the same as loading up a cod custom match vs bots, you don’t gain exp or anything

[lucid root]

everything client side basically

[minor pond]

^

[jagged thunder]

conan exiles did something similar i know how games work its just a pvp game so online against pve is kind of not pvp

[gilded sigil]

Around 80% of my experience in the game is me dealing with mobs more so than players.

[minor pond]

O.F.F.L.I.N.E is the keyword here

[jagged thunder]

theyd have to make a single player mode expanding on the game for a few players who want to play solo, and every match i dropped in i had some type of player interaction whether hiding or fighting idk what game you were playing

im not agains tthe idea, i wouldnt play it if they dropped a solo mode tho so i find it useless

[minor pond]

It’s not just a pvp game, people also wanna be able to learn the map or learn the bosses, or literally a million other things outside of pvp. Personally I would never use the mode even for practice but there are shit tons of people that would go in their for 10 minutes a day to warmup. Don’t think of it as a single player mode but more of a testing ground

[jagged thunder]

voip would help with more co op play from random parties or neutral agreements, i just dont really care for single player games where i can just hit and step back mobs

[glacial bridge]

it IS just a pvp game. the the exploration, the traps, the monsters you fight have greater meaning because you are in danger at all times

constant pressure from players and the fog wall are necessary

[rugged palm]

I think, given that there are good/evil/neutral alignments, traditionally, there should be a consequence AND a benefit to being a player killer, ESPECIALLY team mates, because without seeing name tags, how can you know you are going after a murderer on the wanted leaderboards?

[jagged thunder]

i would have played this game for an hour most if it was not online pvp

[rugged palm]

maybe sweet justice is enough

people want to kill other players, its a game, not like hey lets do this dungeon, it's a bloodbath

[glacial bridge]

i get it, people want a dungeons and dragons Co-op dungeon crawl game. I would play one too. Thats not what this is

[jagged thunder]

some player suggested some type of documenting of the dungeon thru some type of game mechanics to keep players familiar with the environment, i dont think devs want players to know 100% of the map layout (immediately) thats why they throw pvp headhunters in the mix

[vestal trench]

Did anyone ever discuss being able to use the blue portals earlier in the dungeon?

[sterile idol]

What kind of documenting ?

[lucid root]

would still be nice to have an offline mode for testing purposes, even if no monsters spawn, just an empty map

[sterile idol]

The sections are easily dissociable

[jagged thunder]

thru a book or something like monster weak spots, map layouts trap types etc.

[sterile idol]

yeah so some kind of intel

could be done by searching dead corpses scattered around the map

[gilded sigil]

Actually the devs could do something about the minimap suggestion and mix with this.

[sterile idol]

what was the minimap suggestion ?

[minor pond]

You don’t get it lol, people are not gonna go into the fucking offline mode for hours on end, they pop in test what they wanna test and continue playing the game. This has quite litteraly NO AFFECT on the current game in fact it would decrease gear fear meaning BETTER pvp engagements.

[gilded sigil]

Option to Disable minimap

[lucid root]

hide minimap hotkey or somethin'

[gilded sigil]

They could disable the minimap for everyone and make the minimap a mob drop

[sterile idol]

Wouldn't that be done in a harder version of high roller ?

[glacial bridge]

nO YoU dOnT gEt iT

[lucid root]

i'm glad more people are in favor of not splitting up seasonal and permanent servers

[jagged thunder]

idk if you played monster hunter world, the way the suggestion was described was something similar to how you needed to learn about monsters and plants and map layouts etc. in that game

[sterile idol]

Yeah i understand what you mean

[vestal trench]

Why don't you just make the suggestion and see if it gets down voted or not. If your idea has some weight behind it, the devs might see there is interest. My bet though is no one is really interested.

[minor pond]

There’s already a few suggestions related to this and all have + voted, just discussing it further here 🙂

[jagged thunder]

as you should

[sterile idol]

The issue is that All enemies' weakpoints are the head, i.e there is no particular weakpoint on joints, hands, feet, etc... so there is no real point for this

[jagged thunder]

i think limb and torso had seperate damage as well

[sterile idol]

In the current version of the game

In the end you don't have something like an enemy that has a unique weakpoint

e.g the back

[lucid root]

maybe just for bosses?

[sterile idol]

or unique events that can occur depending on where you hit, e.g breaking a limb of a skeleton champion to make it drop its shield

[lucid root]

that'd be sick

[gilded sigil]

Only the rogues should be the only class that can do extra dmg on the back

[sterile idol]

this mf would rush at you right away

[minor pond]

Maybe after 4 successful hits the shield just shatters, on to something here

[sterile idol]

skeleton archers going melee mode once you're close enough as well

shattering the champion's shield ?

[minor pond]

Mhm

[jagged thunder]

that maybe alot of reworking in game mechanics to add a dismember

[sterile idol]

Bruh if we could use that shield nothing would pass through

[gilded sigil]

It is a lot of work

[sterile idol]

it is

[lucid root]

something special about the skeleton shield, seems to work a lot better than player shields lol

[sterile idol]

But that'd make the game just better

You could sometimes swap the champion's weapons as well

making it go shield + lance

[gilded sigil]

This game needs to develop the core gameplay and functionality before anything, so far is good.

[sterile idol]

skeleton rogues too

[jagged thunder]

any type of physics mechanic would be great from environmental damage to player dismember/armor damage

[gilded sigil]

We need the talent tree at some point early 2023 if they have it figured out already

[jagged thunder]

it would also fry ppls gpus

[sterile idol]

i don't think they'll have figured it out by then

it's not their priority iirc

[gilded sigil]

What would be their prio atm?

[sterile idol]

bard

improving the trading system

QoLs in general

[gilded sigil]

Talking about the trading system

[jagged thunder]

smoothing out the levels improve ai add bard and all around quality of life improvements

[sterile idol]

i forgor the levels

I fucking swear leveling up is so weird

[gilded sigil]

I made a suggestion about making custom trading rooms with the class categories

Besides having the current channels

[sterile idol]

ye

[jagged thunder]

i saw it was pretty detailed

[sterile idol]

You could get subchannels as well

[gilded sigil]

Even tho players like the chaotic 800 people spam

[sterile idol]

one for ornaments, one for armors, one for weapons

[jagged thunder]

which is impossible to find anything with

[gilded sigil]

And no1 using any other channel except weapon #1

[sterile idol]

Now that i think about it

they could add another system

but that'd be tough coding-wise i think

[gilded sigil]

I made it more detailed than that but the bot was having a problem with the message so i had to edit it

[sterile idol]

Keep a class-based channel and add some "live" sorting

Such that only the messages with contents that you might need appear on the chat

at this point an auction house would be easier

[jagged thunder]

guild auction houses?

[sterile idol]

Not necessarily guilds

[jagged thunder]

i need something with guilds

[gilded sigil]

Guilds sound amazing

[sterile idol]

You could have NPCs who own auction houses for each class

and they plan to add guilds iirc

[lucid root]

not a fan of putting guilds in every game, but thats just me

[jagged thunder]

i think they said guilds are a must?

[gilded sigil]

It's a medieval style game guilds are always a must

I can already see BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD guild

All barbarians

[jagged thunder]

Q: Is there a plan for guilds?
A: Guilds will exist. However, implementation is far away.

[glass warren]

Whats up dumb fucks

[sterile idol]

Hello sexy

[jagged thunder]

i want to give you a noogie and a wedgie

[gilded sigil]

Nothing much fat ass

Just wondering about guilds

And other things

[sterile idol]

bruh i forgot playtest 4 will be close to Valentine's day

[gilded sigil]

Oh?

[sterile idol]

hope the merchant will be some big tiddy momma

[glass warren]

Man ive hurt my eye site so much looking at my damn computer, and i have to finish read a book for work fuck

[sterile idol]

She'll ask us to collect some bs hearts

[gilded sigil]

Post it NOW

[lucid root]

how about a big tiddy daddy?

[sterile idol]

die

[lucid root]

fine then

[gilded sigil]

No more traps i clicked on one video on youtube and now my account is cursed

[glass warren]

https://tenor.com/view/skirt-gif-20037246

This is what your candy can afford

Man that @errant niche guy is a real idiot, go back to playing fortnite

[lucid root]

he in general chat?

[glass warren]

Suggestions

[errant niche]

Why? What's wrong with you wanting cosmetic? We already have skeleton cosmetic what's wrong for having more? Are you agents supporting this game?

Are you new?

[lucid root]

didn't someone say the current cosmetics were just for the playtest?

[errant niche]

It's just a suggestion, he acts like I fucked his mom lmao.

[lucid root]

my night vision rogue suggestion is doing pretty good, i'm glad people like it

i don't play rogue but it would be fun to watch as a viewer

[jagged thunder]

if you have to buy it with $ i dont want to download the skin just so i can see 1 person wearing it

if they keep the cosmetic system theyre playing with itd be nice to do that with in game gold amount instead of $

[rose folio]

One man's opinion here but i don't like the fighter's stats being 15 down the board. I feel it makes them feel like a "default" character where all the others have specialties.

[errant niche]

I think they are supposed to be balanced. Since they are extremely versatile.

[jagged thunder]

fighter is an all around class makes sense, the cleric had the lowest stat count by accident otherwise they get a cap on attribute points

barb had like 30 strength right

[rose folio]

the fighter is not an "all around class" they have no magic so why then have the same knowledge as a wizard?

[lucid root]

eventually have magic?

[jagged thunder]

fighters can use magic i thought

[glass warren]

The only thumb up you got is from yourself, and the other is probably up your ass

Dumbshit request

@errant niche

[jagged thunder]

@errant niche block dude hes a bot who post multiple ridiculous suggestions and downvotes every other one

[rose folio]

what magic does the fighter use? give examples don't just give misinfo

[jagged cobalt]

Game is still in alpha test. I believe eventually every class will be able to cast spells via scrolls or wands. Maybe one time use scrolls? Who knows.

[jagged thunder]

they use magic in D&D right which is where they get theirbuilds from

[lucid root]

like staffs will have spells as an affix that any class can use?

[rose folio]

Who cares what they do in a different game?

[jagged thunder]

this isnt the complete game quit trying to argue

[rose folio]

that's the worst excuse i've ever heard

This is a suggestion board. I'll give suggestions if I wish

[jagged cobalt]

Does anyone know if will increases the amount of healing from second wind? At the very least either will or knowledge also increases magic resist

[verbal marsh]

use magic items tends to be a bard / rogue thing, fighters don't tend to be able to use much but yeah its possible.

[rose folio]

will increases resistance and I'm not bitching about that. giving the fighter 15's down there whole sheet is lazy.

[sterile jungle]

Wish they had some dirty fighting type skills worked in for the rogue like sand/dirt in the eyes to blind them or a low blow but idk how balancing it would work

[jagged thunder]

how when they can use every weapon?

[lucid root]

kiss them on the lips to stun them

[jagged thunder]

fighter type classes are always well rounded and balanced

[rose folio]

you can train a monkey to go to space you don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure out how a mace works

[jagged thunder]

you obviously cant teach a monkey the basics of a game either

[sterile jungle]

But all because you can wield it doesnt mean you can optimize it

[rose folio]

because they're the fighter it's what they do and that was a great skill to give them. but 15's all the way down is lazy.

[jagged thunder]

how when they are an all around class its the perfect build for them 15 isnt even much 20 is what you want or up

[sterile jungle]

Tbh i havent played any other class except rogue with the exception of a little bit of a mage so i wouldnt be able to speak on the fighter

[verbal marsh]

Base stats are not much of an indicator of overall class considering most of the abilities they effect are also pre determined.

I would not surmise the balancing based off that.

[jagged thunder]

hes suggesting its lazy not unbalanced

[rose folio]

they are not "all around" and what does that even mean? they don't use magic and get a 20% debuff to bows and weapons that are off type for their class. this all around garbage is just that.

[verbal marsh]

it is unbalanced and lazy, the dev already stated overall balancing will come later.

[jagged thunder]

my guy they get their builds from D&D multiple people told you about magic items in the future, quit bitching

[sterile jungle]

Balancing is usually done when they are polishing it up isnt it ?

[jagged thunder]

make a suggestion about it

class balancing is on the bottom of priority list because they are all balanced

[verbal marsh]

lol

[lusty wren]

My issues with your suggestions have nothing to do with "cosmetics" It has to do with that FOMO rotation shit.

[rose folio]

Again this is a suggestion section I'll suggest what I wish. D&D is a completely different game with different owners and developers, what they do is completely immaterial. magic weapons also don't address that the fighter is the least specialized in doing what there class title describes.

[jagged thunder]

ok define what a fighter should do or how they should be built

[sterile jungle]

DnD is the whole foundation though

[cursive kayak]

I'm a fighter and I have been fighting just fine

[jagged thunder]

gattz gonna say first of all they shouldnt be able to kill wizards

[lucid root]

bare knuckle boxing, butt naked

[sterile jungle]

@lucid root i thought thay was a monk

[jagged thunder]

he doesnt care its his opinion

[lucid root]

i feel like monk should be like battle staff

[sterile jungle]

Monk with drunken fist style

The weapon could be a flask

[glacial bridge]

i like rogues with the staves

[cursive kayak]

I'm a fighter I diff Wizards

[glossy cloak]

rogue need trap

[cursive kayak]

Rouge does not need trap

[lucid root]

what kind of trap

[sterile jungle]

@glossy cloak nah thats def hunter territory

Or ranger

[glossy cloak]

ranger trap

[cursive kayak]

No

[glossy cloak]

we need

[rose folio]

Not at all, they should be as competent as any other class they should just get stats that represent their strengths. I have no problems with balance I have an issue with making them generic. 20 strength as that is their primary stat. 18ish Dex as that's important but not a focus like the ranger. 18 con as their training makes them hardier than a scholar. 20 will for their bravery and fortitude, and weaker knowledge say 10 due to them being in the yard training as opposed to schooling.

[jagged thunder]

flamethrower wall traps

[rose folio]

my point is to make them feel like fighters not the default character in a video game.

[sterile jungle]

Honestly i expect more of cheap tactics from rogues so blinds poisons stuns seem to be the right direction imo

[jagged thunder]

theyre a fighter not a knight, and wizards give them magic damage

[sterile jungle]

But rogues are fine

[cursive kayak]

Idk what game u playing @rose folio every class is viable and unique

[rose folio]

what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

[jagged thunder]

obviously nothing

[rose folio]

what another class does is irrelevant

[jagged thunder]

lmfao

[lucid root]

wizard is the only class that matters

[jagged thunder]

thats where he gets his magic damage from + future plans

[rose folio]

I didn't say they weren't viable, i said they don't feel like fighters.

[jagged thunder]

and he has no idea what D&D is

[blazing vapor]

@left tinsel Please use the suggestion tool appropriately in future 👍

[cursive kayak]

What lv did u get urs

???

[lucid root]

do stats go up with level i didn't really pay attention

[sterile jungle]

@lucid root i didnt notice the rogues going up at all tbh but theyvare probably waiting to add those features in

[rose folio]

I'm a dungeon master with years of experience and I'll tell you the number of time I've have a player sit down at the table to play fighter and all there stats where the same number. 0 times.

[errant niche]

I'm not a bot, what?

[jagged thunder]

was talking about the guy msging you

[cursive kayak]

Bro r we talking about the same game

[errant niche]

Oh lol

[cursive kayak]

Ur saying it doesn't feel like a fighter cuz some number are the same

[sterile jungle]

@lucid root im pretty sure my rogue had base agility of 35 from 1 to 20

[rose folio]

20 i got to 20 with every class but ranger.

only got ranger to 17

[sterile jungle]

I wasnt paying attention to other stats

[shy pollen]

Stats don't increase when leveling, at least for now. The only thing you got from leveling in the last play test was access to more perks.

[errant niche]

I hope they don't increase states by leveling. That would suck for new players

[winged hazel]

surly @left tinsel had great suggestions so i wouldnt say thats bad

[verbal marsh]

not really considering in dnd lving only granted attributes every 4 lv's, so it would only be adjusted 5 times.

[rose folio]

Someone implied I was unfamiliar with Dungeons and dragons. I'm really only interested in talking about dark and darker, but the two seem to be conflated in the minds of some here.

[glacial bridge]

speaking of useless trolls. this guy is back

[errant niche]

But that's a Perma state increase.

[rose folio]

I agree

[jagged thunder]

i think if you lay out a well articulated idea on how they should build a fighter you will get upvotes and i wont vote at all

[verbal marsh]

The adjustment wouldn't effect the overall outcome of the fight. The more experienced player is going to win either way.

[errant niche]

At least with perks you eliminate something to gain those state boost. So it is balance.

[cursive kayak]

@rose folio okay but ur argument was fighter doesn't feel like fighter cuz some of the stats are the same

U can up ur stats with gear anyway depending on your build those are just base stats

[errant niche]

The fighter has great perks. And versatile gear.

[jagged thunder]

as they should theyre an all around class

[errant niche]

Beginning states don't matter if you don't build his equipment right. And he is very easily adjustable to your play style too. I think he is alright the way he is tbh.

[rose folio]

the fighter doesn't need a complete rework. It needs refinement. My argument is that 15's down the board seems like a short cut. The class is specialized and should feel that way.

[jagged thunder]

they specialize in being able to use all fighting styles

[cursive kayak]

Add a couple 13 and 18s and the fighter will now feel like a fighter 👍

[verbal marsh]

get gear, and the fighter will feel like a fighter...

[shy pollen]

They specialize in being a generalist hehe

[errant niche]

Agreed

[lucid root]

christ this guy is hitting for 220 damage with his fireball

[cursive kayak]

The only problem with fighter imo is the weapon mastery perk having -20% damage it makes sense for bows but no reason to use any other weapons like barb weapons and daggers

[verbal marsh]

consecutive blows negates that, but I feel like the buff duration should be extended to a full second.

[jagged thunder]

so taking away from their knowledge would make them generally stupid

[rose folio]

they do and that skill was a brilliant inclusion to their kit, they do suffer a debuff as those weapons aren't their specialties though. That's also a fine decision that I understand, but as I said before they need a small redistribution of skill points to make them feel like fighters instead of the RPG character you rushed to create and didn't put any thought into stats for.

[jagged thunder]

he doesnt have the strength or agi to be affective with those weapons

[rose folio]

basically, Yes.

[verbal marsh]

Basically he wants fighter to be able to play any class aside wizard, and lack stealth & backstab...

[jagged thunder]

this is not the complete game and they are adding magical items which will be used by fighters who can use them

[rose folio]

and I put forward that giving him a little strength / dex to pull off those weapons while making him a bit less knowledgeable would be an improvement

[cursive kayak]

My point is there is a reason to use bows even with the -20% but why would u use barb 2 handed weapons when u could just use halbred and do 20% more damage

[jagged thunder]

meaning that all classes need rework after, and nerfing fighters from future magic items

[rose folio]

Your knowledge determines how many spells you memorize, what do magic items have to do with it?

[jagged thunder]

it effect casting speed too?

[rose folio]

the game is in development so I expect they will all get reworked a bit here and there. That's why I'm suggesting this now in this stage of development.

[verbal marsh]

only thing fighter needs rn is a better parry system imo

[errant niche]

Yes knowledge affects casting speed.

[rose folio]

That may be true but the fighter also doesn't cast.

[jagged thunder]

yes they do

[rose folio]

what spells?

[jagged thunder]

in development as stated multiple times

[errant niche]

Had a great wizard with 40+ int and knw he was insta casting pretty op with the haste and magic missile combo. 3 men team stand no chance.

[rose folio]

wizard OP

[cursive kayak]

Ur arguing that a stats number should be lowered even though it makes 0 differenc what that number Is

[terse pivot]

looks like 40 is soft cap for stats

[jagged thunder]

doesnt knowledge affect magic damage overall too or is that will? i thought will was buff durration and resistance

[terse pivot]

Will is spellpower

[verbal marsh]

Clerics need access to scepters for casting, and the ability to use it in melee with a shield.

[terse pivot]

as for the knowledge into cast speed

I dont know the specific number for 1 knowledge

but 1 will = 1 spellpower

1 str = 2hp/2atk

1 agil = 2 move

which is why +3 all attributes is the most valued/strongest stat this playtest

[rose folio]

Even still, the fighter is as proficient as wizard then in regards to what they can know?

[errant niche]

Love cleric but wish he got some offensive magic

Besides the praying and do 100dmg on undead

[jagged thunder]

wizards have like 20 knowledge?

[errant niche]

Something for pvp

[terse pivot]

Smite allows him to carry magic damage stats

[verbal marsh]

cleric offensive spells are kinda op tho.

[shy pollen]

I think clerics will but it will be pretty limited, since they are basing things a lot on D&D i wouldn't be surprised if clerics got Flame Strike

[terse pivot]

Ale = 22atk/22 hp

[rose folio]

no they don't

[verbal marsh]

ngl, if harm was in game everyone would be dead.

[jagged thunder]

they dont have 15

[terse pivot]

Clerics are strong offensively but have too much downtime

for buffs

not ideal

div+smite is 20 flat not including stats

[errant niche]

Last play test cleric was pretty broken with bare fist lmao.

[terse pivot]

bless is 6 addition 6 atk/6hp/6move

[rose folio]

I played one up to 20 and looked into all the stats before making this argument, and yes they had a 15

[terse pivot]

but you fighting window is 20 seconds

[shy pollen]

I didn't know about that build I guess. I played cleric mainly as the standard group support role and had a lot of success and fun though

[terse pivot]

before u have to rebuff

[rose folio]

same as the cleric

[jagged thunder]

so your argument is hidden behind some false flag so you can buff wizards

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't be against adding deities to cleric to limit spell choices and create additional options.

[errant niche]

Someone got his states up with beer and ability and was one punching people with bare fist.

[jagged thunder]

whats wizards will

[cursive kayak]

That's on purpose my friend plays wizard and he needs some items to up his stats before he's able to use haste spells

[rose folio]

I don't care to buff wizards. lol. and no false flag here. Just someone who played A LOT of this game and noticed some things I personally would change for the benefit of said game.

[jagged thunder]

youre comparing a wizard to a fighter based on knowledge

[rose folio]

because the stat shouldn't be the same. if anything I'm arguing for a buff to fighters as I feel their strength is too low.

[jagged thunder]

why is a wizard more intelligent than a fighter?

[rose folio]

I'm not saying wizard needs a buff, i'm saying 15 is too high for fighter

[verbal marsh]

lol

[jagged thunder]

youre saying its too high because a wizard is at 15

[cursive kayak]

The whole point of the game is to get gear to make ur character stronger... and u urself said knowledge does nothing for a fighter

[rose folio]

because knowledge is far more important to a wizard

[jagged thunder]

how when a fighter can use magic?

[cursive kayak]

Crying cuz he couldn't find good gear

[jagged thunder]

wizards dont need knowledge they use 3 spells clerics need knowledge

[terse pivot]

ye clerics need ALL stats

[jagged thunder]

cleric was the lowest overall in attributes

[rose folio]

you make a character stronger in regards to their strengths, fighters value strength more as a class because that's what they focus on, same with wizards and knowledge.

[rose folio]

name me that spell and you get a cookie.

[jagged thunder]

i like your dog so im not gonna block you yet

[patent sandal]

Fighters can equip spellbooks iirc. Though not sure what the point would be.

[rose folio]

you know a wizard has more use for knowledge than a fighter.

[jagged thunder]

no you think that

[rose folio]

by all means block me it will do me no harm

[verbal marsh]

its like crying that ranger has 35 resourcing, but rogue has 50% bonus to opening doors while the stat gets the ranger to 0%

[jagged thunder]

lets use critical thinking and not ask stupid questions

i hope youre not drunk

[rose folio]

A rouge being more nimble fingered than a ranger makes since though

[verbal marsh]

a ranger having 2x the resourcing skill of a rogue while the actual task is 1/3 the speed of a rogue....

what im saying is you're debating over nothing.

[rose folio]

that might be a bit janky in practice but you could probably nerf the buff the rouge gets to 30% and fix it a bit

[cursive kayak]

U just argue to argue

[verbal marsh]

Half the stat functions are not fully implimented... and wtf is goign on with my spell check lol

[rose folio]

I don't think so. I don't think your idea is bad either. this is a suggestion space for a game in development with a team that seems to listen.

[verbal marsh]

English is clearly not your first language, good luck pal.

[rose folio]

Wrong, I defend my ideas.

[jagged thunder]

post in #1048762118255673428

[vivid scarab]

Bro no one wants to add catgirls

[jagged thunder]

shits stupid

[vivid scarab]

Lol

It could be like Skyrim brih

[verbal marsh]

nah we want intelligent weapons

[vivid scarab]

Yes

[jagged thunder]

like a lion race

[vivid scarab]

Like the khajit

They were literally bipedal cats

[jagged thunder]

Leonin

[vivid scarab]

Yeah

[verbal marsh]

Thunder cats

[jagged thunder]

see im thinking your talking about some freaky shit

[vivid scarab]

Lol bro

[rose folio]

I will. Thank you, and I hope I didn't stress you out any. I really appreciate Y'alls push back, I feel even more confident in my opinion now that I got some criticism. Not sure if that was your intention but thank all the same.

[marble wigeon]

I'm addicted, the only thing missing in the game was the translation into Portuguese (BR)

[jagged thunder]

youre good felt like you werent listening and kinda getting upset all good tho

[rose folio]

I wasn't getting upset. That's just the way I talk.

and if they add a spell for the fighter to cast my opinion may change about the knowledge stat but it is what it is for now.

[jagged thunder]

youd be wrong since you just spoke on it...

[cursive kayak]

I made a point about how the base stats are supposed to be weak for each class cuz the point of the game is to improve them and u said you make a character stronger in regards to its strengts. Which is something I never denied. You were just more specific about what I said and never addressed the point I made

[rose folio]

is swissy a dev?

[terse pivot]

It would be sick to like

actually talk to a dev here

[cursive kayak]

Defined ur ideas pretty well

[rose folio]

I must have misunderstood then sorry.

[rose folio]

thank you.

[cursive kayak]

K no prob

[verbal marsh]

stats are in no way balanced, and that is clearly intended by the dev team at this juncture.

[rose folio]

I figure they'll move and shake.

[terse pivot]

I think the attributes are balanced

[verbal marsh]

they are what they are rn imo

[terse pivot]

If we had more info on what knowledge gives

[cursive kayak]

Any1 use breakthrough and sprint on fighter

[verbal marsh]

read the handbook made by a communtiy member lol

[terse pivot]

ironmace guide is not specific

i had to research myself

[rose folio]

I don't recall using them together but I found breakthrough lack luster

full disclosure though The fighter wasn't my favorite class.

[verbal marsh]

i tried using it; was quite worthless. arrows still stagger you to a snails pace.

[cursive kayak]

Only time u would use break through is when u have heavy armor and since sprint is better u would also only use Breakthrough with sprint

But than you have to give up second wind

[verbal marsh]

if wizards actually used slow it would have a use, but that debuff is short making the skill worthless regardless lol

[rose folio]

I also feel that the fighter would get more form a skill like the ranger "ration" skill than second wind.

but that's all over here, i'm not saying that needs a change

[cursive kayak]

What ration I'm a fighter main

[terse pivot]

ration gives ranger more versatility which is good

[rose folio]

the ranger got a bread that gave back 30ish health, I'm saying that seems more useful than second wind.

[terse pivot]

second wind is a HoT that takes 2 campfires

[rose folio]

but that's all my opinion and i;m not as ready to defend this one lol

[verbal marsh]

I found resourceful stat useful on fighters good, bandaging and camp deployments were quick.

[rose folio]

sprint was a god send when it came to opening portals and shit.

[terse pivot]

HoTs in this game might be extremely weak due to how damage is calculated

Druids might have a hard time

[verbal marsh]

Ah I wonder if it was sprint causing me to use bandages in seconds I never checked.

I was using them mid combat it was so fast.

[cursive kayak]

I have stolen like 4 portals from other players as fighter

[terse pivot]

because most people die in 1/2/3 hits unless every1s playing w/ no gear

[rose folio]

sprint made everything faster

much faster

[verbal marsh]

everytime i thought they'd die in just 1 more hit, it'd be a yoked out barb that had war cry and fear and took 10...

[rose folio]

I booggied across the wrath room and hit an exit FTW using sprint more than once this playtest

fear was SO potent! lol I loved everything about barbarian.

[cursive kayak]

I think the -20% weapon damage should only apply to bows no reason to use barb weapons as a fighter

[rose folio]

horseman's axe plus hatchet was devastating

[terse pivot]

Hatchet is believe was BiS for barbarian

2x the stats

[cursive kayak]

Only time it would be useful is if u find a really good weapon for another class while ur weapon is trash

[cursive kayak]

I was running hatchet and sword for a while

[verbal marsh]

fighters basically have weapon specialization already. the -20% is just them using weapons they're not specialized with.

so taking the skill is effectively denying that you're already specialized.

If you like bow so much just play ranger : P

[terse pivot]

I think PvE content wise, multiple classes having consistant range weapons helps a lot

especially when people don't run multiple characters

going forward, there's gonna be more PVE content

and range will

be a factor

for cheese

[verbal marsh]

I solo pve as rogue, the only content I failed to do was the lv3 bosses

[rose folio]

did it work? I was playing Barb with axe and hatchet. dual wield + fear + rage = a bad time for everyone but me.

[cursive kayak]

Yea I put a video in the Share content section of the discord some of my kills with that build are in it

[rose folio]

If I had had a wizard to cast haste on me it would have been doom!

[verbal marsh]

I only had a good cleric once when I played barb, good clerics hard to find.

[vivid scarab]

Cleric is a hard class to play

You constantly need campfires and heal teammates

While huffing and protecting everyone

Buffing

[rose folio]

hit me up next playtest. I main cleric.

[rose folio]

Pocket heals can be strong but WILL fail if the enemy has multiple people focus firing a party member. In my experience buffing the party and aiding the martials is the more effective way to fight teams. then do your healing after you win the engagement.

[quaint sentinel]

other races no size /hit box changes, things like elfs /orks /catfolk/lizard folk no smaller races

[rose folio]

What you don't want another "odd job" situation? lol.

I'm not disagreeing with you fully here but Cleric was probably my 2nd most successful solo class.

convo 1 i argee with

and 2 as well

[quaint sentinel]

basically Yea

[rose folio]

like you're not wrong lol

i was just successful more often than not and it's also due to the smite issue as well

which they "fixed" lol

"and thats good but the leader board is where you need to look." 100%

All of these ideas are good.

That is unfortunate. I really like the idea of the Hospitaller, and I haven't really been thinking too much about "new classes" I think they want to get these down and then maybe add more/ subclasses. Hospitaller would be a cool fighter or cleric subclass idea. But giving the cleric the option to use the Halberd would be cool for sure.

[muted crag]

Upsides of solo play, faster loot fill, no need to stick together, faster navigation, no getting exposed by a over extending teammate, better ambush tactics.

[rose folio]

also some classes are much better suited for solo play. the hide being able to drop agro is huge in an one-sided fight situation.

[spice pawn]

also higher probability of random player adoptions

[muted crag]

Fighter, cleric, wizard, rouge, ranger, not so much barb, he's the chonky cleric defender man.

[spice pawn]

cleric is cleric. let paladin fix your woes

[verbal marsh]

lol downsides? You don't have to take spells to be successful as a cleric; That is just a perk.

[somber wind]

Judgement cleric be like

[dull tinsel]

Cleric does NOT have low dmg in any way shape or form, neither pve or pvp, their starting weapon has 2nd highest dmg in game and one of the best attack patterns, both morning stars and flanged mace have very high dmg for 1h, they have divine strike and smite to up their melee dmg along with bless, and they have aoe dmg for pve

[muted crag]

We do have enough choices for a class to have a pole arm specialization.

[dull tinsel]

Cleric is not one of the weaker classes in any aspect of the game tbh

[muted crag]

A lot of people dont know about clerics purging powers due to its micromanagement play style in a supportive position.

[rose folio]

Spells are a huge boon to a solo cleric though. adding divine strike to a smite, smote folks.

[dull tinsel]

your barb in white items didnt 1 shot ANYTHING except MAYBE skelly archers, stop

[spice pawn]

cleric is a cleric, though. why is it a problem that cleric is not a fighter/barb

[rose folio]

oh my

[muted crag]

One of my old teammates was all like "I'm cleric, I cant fight at all", like boi, you literally have the best damage buffs in the game.

[rose folio]

this IS a hot button isn't it.

[dull tinsel]

cleric with smite + divine strike = 3 shot most pve with 1h weapon, 2-3 shot players

[upper oasis]

Morningstars are also the slowest 1h weapons. Also you can't have smite, aoe dmg and bless.

[muted crag]

DEVINE ALE COMBO

[spice pawn]

sometimes drunken max pre-cast clerics could fist down a careless but tanked out melee guy 1v1

[dull tinsel]

I wasnt saying them all together, I was saying they have option of smite for single target dmg or ALSO the aoe prayer

[rose folio]

and you're not wrong.

[rose folio]

a lot of people didn't realize prayer did damage to enemy player either.

[upper oasis]

Ye it's either or.

[dull tinsel]

"slowest" means nothing when you only really take 1-2 shots to avoid being hit by attacks from enemies

[verbal marsh]

just because you didn't play a class well, doesn't mean other hadn't lol

[dull tinsel]

prayer didnt do dmg to enemy player

[spice pawn]

Iono, you sound kinda elitist

[muted crag]

Yeah, that team was an over extending fighter and a coward cleric with me as ranger, it was horrible and they never stopped arguing like an old married couple. "its your fault no its your fault, how come you have no money, because you take everything, git gud!"

[upper oasis]

Pve it's fine, pvp it's trash. Same as the maul.

[dull tinsel]

disagree, morning star and flanged mace had ALL overhead attacks, able to bypass shields easier than most other weapons with minimal aim adjustments

[rose folio]

you don't have the context, they were talking to me about getting shouted down before. now this

[dull tinsel]

comparing morning star to 2h maul is silly IMO, not at all similar, yea maul was trash against shields in general whether pve or pvp

[spice pawn]

oh.

[verbal marsh]

No they wern't lol, most players didnt even play hr que.

[muted crag]

I loved the maul, so many one taps.

[dull tinsel]

same, was fun as hell against nubs, but shields made it useless against decent players using shields

[muted crag]

Teammates included, after I said "swinging this big thing!"

[rose folio]

it's pretty funny now that I see it for myself.

[steep forge]

How do we feel about a solo or duos mode being added

Solos would be perfect in a game like this

[verbal marsh]

don't see the point; you're either good solo or you are not.

[muted crag]

dont do it, the danger of solos in normal lobbies must persist.

[rose folio]

sorry fides i feel your struggle though.

[steep forge]

the feeling of soloing a trio is unlike anything

[muted crag]

If solo match making is introduced, it will strangle the health of normal lobbies by making every team a 3 man.

[verbal marsh]

I wouldn't be against overall solo maps however that have a different layout, but I don't want mix que to have a separate solo.

[rose folio]

the cleric is strong but takes a lot of "know how" to pull of that crazy stuff.

[spice pawn]

I feel as if solo clerics, on average, have the added advantage of looking like a walking, talking ham sandwich in the dungeon. folks tend to dive-bomb them without much thought

[muted crag]

and then they get clonked.

[rose folio]

if the cleric has gear and moxxie, yes

[muted crag]

moxxie should be a given.

[spice pawn]

I enjoy the last-minute "eat shit and die" rogue plays where they hide by single portals, kill randoms and steal their portal without even looting the dead body

[verbal marsh]

I just used agi gear when in groups since I always held my book

[lucid root]

They do look delicious

[muted crag]

If no changes are going to be made to armor next test, imma just horde items with innate magic resistance, ruggeds, leathers, gambesons, riveted, and barbutes/kettles.

[rose folio]

i got adopted a lot as well

[wary flower]

i'll try it next playtest, seems like a good solution to follow up

[mighty solar]

Just an idea, remove the ring and give players the option to solo queue as a Minotaur or other dungeon boss. They would be beefy and would act as the stage clearer. It would be possible to take out the Minotaur for good loot but then you would have to extract without getting ganked by someone else! Maybe add the possibility to swallow one corpse you kill a game and get their stuff so you can progress

[muted crag]

NAH

[verbal marsh]

one thing nice about being armored is people expect you to die fast, so chugging a protection pot and turning around you could just two shot the stupid naked rogues lol

[rose folio]

solo fighters like pocket heals more than caved skulls. #DaDneedsvoip

[muted crag]

speaking of stacking stats, whats the highest value of '+ all attributes' you've guys seen?

[verbal marsh]

works good, just get use to using your item slots for running lol

[rose folio]

I got +9 on a barb

[verbal marsh]

People never expect my torch to come flying at their face while i disappear lol

[muted crag]

@rose folio on one item?

[wary flower]

item slots for running? why not press X?

[verbal marsh]

torches have same run speed and tend to be more useful then your fists, same with throwing items.

[wary flower]

I see. Nice tip 💪

[verbal marsh]

Really is no reason to switch to fists when you've item in your slots that can be of use.

[rose folio]

no, +3 was the highest on one item this was across 5 pieces the I had movement and physical power on the rest.

[muted crag]

Do torches apply burning damage? Cause if not they only do 13 damage instead of a fists 15.

[rose folio]

savage

[verbal marsh]

people who came up with the fist meta were uneducated lol

its all about them throwing weapon if you class uses em

[muted crag]

able to proc any class skill with those.

[wary shell]

blue frank axes on barb with the +10 axe perk on barb

holy shit

[muted crag]

Also they hurt just as well as any other hit.

[verbal marsh]

axes were great, I used them to chase and slow when I needed to run lol

[muted crag]

axe spec applies to fransescas? damn.

[verbal marsh]

the people crying over wizards were hilarious, 2-3 throwing weapons kills them.

[rose folio]

rouge skills applied to throwing knifes as well

[muted crag]

including poison?

[rose folio]

yup

[wary flower]

well, tbh, fighting a full wizard squad was a nightmare 😅

[minor pond]

Huge problem with cheater insurance that people don’t realize - The cheater kills you and sells your gear which injects money into the economy, They then get banned and you ALSO get the items back essentially duplicating the items and inflation begins. This is exactly why tarkov does not have this feature. Please think about it guys

[verbal marsh]

I mained wizard so I never had an issue killing a single one of em.

as any class lo

wizards were the easiest class to kill tbh

[rose folio]

yeah, seeing them all casting fire ball putts the brown pants to good use.

[muted crag]

Heres what I think about that deza, meh.

[verbal marsh]

anyone who was good simply disappeared into ai on me.

[minor pond]

Also this has the largest impact on those who play alot because items become cheaper and cheaper making the game mind numbingly stale

[verbal marsh]

Yeah now I think about it; the only good players I ran into knew not to fight me lol

well aside from those ones that just murdered me without me being ready >.>

[valid mica]

Sounds like that is easily fixed with seasons and banwaves, without any of the hassle.

[lusty wren]

Valorant has the most pervasive anti cheat in the world 😄 and it still has a pretty big cheater population. You are always going to be playing behind the curve, but keeping op on the cheat market and doing regular ban waves makes a huge difference

[minor pond]

Yes and no, it solves the problem when it wipes, but in the weeks leading up to the wipe people quit playing

[valid mica]

Weeks... Each season should only last a few weeks lol

[minor pond]

That’s unrealistic and won’t happen tho will be minimum 3 months

[valid mica]

Why is that unrealistic?

[rose folio]

lunar cycles, makes it fun.

[lusty wren]

Valorant devs have had to address and state they know their game is rampant with cheating on multiple occasions 😄 It always going to be a up hill battle.

Being b2p, keeping tabs on the cheating community and creating ways to detect them and doing ban waves will do enough for dark and darker IMO No nead for a super pervasive system like valorant that doesnt even work

[rose folio]

new moon, new wipe! lol

[minor pond]

Because nobody wants to grind on weekends off work only to have 4 play sessions before it’s wiped, There’s a lack of connection to your gear with seasons that short

[rose folio]

then gear fear wont be a thing.

[verbal marsh]

I'm curious on what the server structure is; I mean if possible it wouldn't be the worse idea to allow private domains to host their own competitive seasons, and just sustain a few publicly hosted ones.

[minor pond]

Your 100% right but it needs to be a happy medium though, weeks is too short, the tarkov 6 month cycle is too long

[rose folio]

in all reality you're correct though. The seasons will have to be at least 2 to 3 months long for people to care at all.

[minor pond]

Exactly 😉

[valid mica]

I would want that, and someone else said every new moon would be good, which is roughly every month if i'm not mistaken...

The start of the game is the best part. Going through dungeons fresh when others can have purples or higher would absolutely be a hinderance. Every month could be an easy rotation for a game like this, and would solve all the issues you've stated.

[finite tide]

How often does tarkov wipe?

[minor pond]

Twice a year, usually June* and December

[lusty wren]

Even tarkov devs have said they have no clue how the wipe will work once launched(or if it will even exist) right now it happens based on development 😄

[rose folio]

I said new moon would be fun, and it would be for me but i play more often than someone with a 9 to 5 + kids.

A lot of people would need more time.

[rose folio]

that would be way to few

[lusty wren]

I think DaD would do fine with 4 month seasons

[minor pond]

Yee I’m just replying to how often tarkov wipes

[rose folio]

i know you're talking about tarkove but DaD can't pull that.

[minor pond]

Oh yeah I agree 100%

Somewhere between 2-3 months should hit the spot for 90% of players imo

[lusty wren]

PoE does 13 week seasons IIRC seems to work well for them

Shared storage sounds atrocious to me

[glacial bridge]

shared = bad

[rose folio]

if the stash were shared it would have to be expanded as not to prohibit people playing multiple classes. this would create it's own issues.

[valid mica]

As is with all games, they're a time investment. A frequent wipe would help people who are busy, less frequent wipes means my pockets are lined and I'm going in with blue+ gear every time because I have nothing better to do with my money.

[rose folio]

That's a fair argument.

To be fair this playtest was only a week and a half long and I got a modicum of gear fear for some of my Cleric stuff.

and as i say i play more than most