q-and-a

[hollow grail]

Nah its one time they extend

[tall breach]

servers will close in 1 hour and they will reopen?

[sinful linden]

im not sure but i was told iron mace rents out servers from a company and by extending it, it goes against their contract and causing other people who wants to use their servers and paid for it a unfair priority

[hybrid idol]

jesus christ, lol. it's not their responsibility to manage your emotions and keep you happy. be happy for the extended alpha playtests they've given us and let them work on the game lol

[frigid atlas]

When the game come back up

[dapper umbra]

Yes but the same company that put his server to ironmace's service can also compensate the damage done by server's DDos.
I do think that the extended playtime was a bait and Ironmace had already pre planned to extend the gametime up to 10 days.
But without proofs what I say can be totaly wrong so W/e

[hybrid python]

how long till game go byebye

[subtle notch]

Look, it's a fun game and everything, but y'all need to chill with the extension requests. We've had more than our fair share, it's time to get back to work for them... Plus it's supposedly releasing Q4 this year, so it's not much longer to wait.

[sinful bronze]

where can i use a golden key

[rigid walrus]

People who:

• Cheat in a playtest
• Ask if our items get wiped after the playtest
• Complain about a free playtest that is being DDoSed
• Are worried if they will receive a reward for enjoying a free playtest

Have convinced me that we live among NPCs.

[paper hamlet]

Are there any plans to bring in level based matchmaking? I've been playing for 2 days and get constantly sealclubbed

[hybrid python]

i just wanna know the time

[sage ore]

Is playtest ending in an hour or no?

[halcyon umbra]

How much time left?

[hybrid idol]

"but without proofs" exactly. pure speculation. you're just spitting your own bullshit pretending it's more than possible it could be truth, when in reality you're just contributing to the problem. and yes @rigid walrus i'm more than convinced the world is filled with NPCs

[native wind]

less than 1

[wind light]

Level based would not change much as you might not notice but its usually gear that makes the most difference, also if you get 3 rangers you can kill just about anything and anyone so do that

[fast tulip]

do we know when the full game is coming out?? will there be another playtest??

[cursive osprey]

It would be nice to not be pitted vs a tester on his 5th play test as a new player freshly dropping, but MMR is kinda wierd for a game like this so idk. Maybe gear score? honestly its not bad how it is just throwing out straws

[trail python]

i also thought gear score

[trail crown]

what is this random perk icon is for the wizard? kinda looks like a goblin face but half of it is greyed out. its not an actual selectable perk but when i go in game its there every time.

[velvet verge]

Does spell capacity even do anything/work in the game right now? What is it going to do in the future?

[dapper umbra]

I dont have proofs and I am wrong. You dont have proofs but u are right.
How arrogant and not kind by you, mister superior being.
Go and translate this : test de caz si propr nu scem appatentate cojone ambecille figl de mignot

[short fjord]

could be you got the elf skin on maybe?

[trail crown]

you're totally right lol thank you

[hybrid idol]

pffffft, lol. i'll bother to give a shit googling that when you bother to pull your head out of your ass. this type of comment rips me back to the 2006 when google translate was new. thanks for the trip down memory lane, though. sorry if the truth hurt you

[tall breach]

servers will go off in 30 min??? or is it fake

[solid epoch]

Anyone else experiencing audio issues today? Felt fine up until mid-day and now things just sound wrong.

[burnt quarry]

so why is the announcement post that talks about the demo extension just not there anymore,,, am i dumb because i dont see it

[brazen thunder]

Playtest over

[tall breach]

so the next one is the real game? the paid one etc?

[lavish radish]

This was an alpha test, those are usually followed by either another alpha or a beta test

[thin vale]

who wants free gold for last 30 misn

[burnt quarry]

so like because the servers have been screwed all day maybe another extension Daddy Ironmace

[haughty stag]

when does it officially end?

[fathom crow]

17 min

[modern juniper]

Tomorrow

[bitter quiver]

what does ghost king debuff do again? it's slow stacks right? is it also defense shredding/instant death at X stacks?

[crude copper]

Is there a sheet showing most played to least played characters?

[vocal bobcat]

Most played would be fighter

[thin vale]

in 10 mins

[cerulean cipher]

last game

[wary mirage]

ggs boys see you in the Beta

[thin vale]

wow i couldnt even finish my game

[tame acorn]

NOOOOOOO

[tall sage]

upgrade back pack please

[hushed solstice]

Sadge

[frigid estuary]

My heroine is gone

[burnt badger]

how much will the game be when it comes out?

[vagrant fossil]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY!!!

[wild bramble]

Release date when?

[old torrent]

GG BOYS ITS BEEN AN HONOR

[boreal sluice]

SHOULD I DELETE THE DEMO BROS ?

[dry crow]

They data wipe every play test?

[ripe oxide]

how does damage exactly work? Do melee atacks get higher dmg from strength? do ranged get higher dmg from AG? What is physical power? How much movement and atack speed do you get from AG? How much Magic dmg do you get from will? Thanks

[ripe juniper]

gib game back

[wise compass]

Both ranged and melee dmg are increased by str

[ripe furnace]

will this be f2p

[dense pendant]

no

[empty tiger]

Gib game back movement is real @ripe juniper

[obsidian grail]

Im not saying charge people for it, but imagine if they opened up a portal to let players donate if we wanted to. 2 million players at least half who would love to donate $10. maybe this exists already, where do i donate

[surreal tree]

someone needs to create a goblin merchant website so i can continue gambling until the next playtest 😭

[safe nimbus]

[torn pier]

Gen chat down again LOOOL

[sharp compass]

any infos on a new playtest?

[lament wind]

any info on a private server xd

[red shoal]

server down???? /s

[neat bramble]

yes, it's coming soon

[iron monolith]

10 minute no dark and darker

[charred roost]

@timber mist @muted onyx @burnt badger #extendtheplaytest

[river zinc]

Very excited for this game

[halcyon hearth]

Copypasta is bannable, nobody else please.

[thorn juniper]

Game good and sad to see it go for the time being. Hope you guys take your time and use it well to improve the game. 👍

[blissful atlas]

if game becomes paid access, i dont mind. this game is really fun

[obsidian bison]

This is a marvelous game. Even when I'm losing over and over again I don't get upset and just get right back into it. Thanks and can't wait for release!

[gleaming dagger]

Game is good but has its heavy flaws

[dim copper]

anyone know about next play test or release?

[solid vault]

lol any1 knows a good tunnel to host game privately?

[orchid laurel]

It’s really gone…..

[burnt badger]

april, maybe.

[lyric yarrow]

I miss it already 😦

[primal mason]

when is this game gonna be relaase?

[subtle notch]

I've always heard it's set to be available for purchase in Q4 of this year. Not sure where everyone is getting April from, but yeah.

[solid temple]

where can i donate

[rugged spire]

Getting it from a Q&A that was done fam, might be April/May

[vestal notch]

they had said something in the last QnA that Q2 if everything went ok

[ornate condor]

Dod they say anything about a 2 players lobby instead of 3?

[vast smelt]

They probably won't add a 2 player lobby just because it's not a priority atm

[hallow harness]

Please don't split the playerbase further with different queues

[charred escarp]

We just need singles and trios

[burnt badger]

agree single and trio is fine

[unborn sigil]

@hallow harness Then what do you propose to make going against trios as a solo/duo fun?

[little remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-nausea-nauseous-food-throw-up-gif-24422826

[glass spindle]

Is there a way to get rid of teaming in goblin caves? Or is that on purpose

[flat needle]

where can i find info on potential future classes?

[echo patio]

2 million players kappa

[forest onyx]

What do you mean get rid of teaming

[steel token]

you will get smackarood by people who buddy up to gank the lobby half the time.

[opal mason]

was there a way to detect mimics before trying to open chest? ive tried that and i still got jumpscared

[green flame]

This game has betrayal mechanics and that is esspecally so in goblin, if you find someone who will actually team with you instead of stab you in the back the moment an opportunity arises, good on you, otherwise keeping around someone who can be a viscous enemy if provided the opportunity is not a good idea

[runic jay]

smack the chest

[sullen charm]

Give gen chat back

[lusty perch]

how do i deal with dark and darker withdrawal?

[vital magnet]

you don't

[charred roost]

#extendtheplaytest or we riot

[cinder hawk]

When is the next play test?

[weak vigil]

fr

[merry horizon]

i think rogues with the trap perk can see them? and if theyre in front of a wall trap the trap will continuously set off trying to hit the "entity" there

[fathom crow]

I dont think getting DDoS:d means its going ok

[austere palm]

Out of curiosity, what benefit would the developers have by shutting down the game after generating such widespread awareness this time around?

[vestal notch]

I didn't say it was, I just said, they said IF it did, it would be Q2. that's all.

[subtle notch]

They got a lot of testers who could give feedback, and they shut it down before people got burnt out since the game isn't fully fleshed out.

[kindred thicket]

Time to work on and test the game with new features on their own before early access or the next playtest

[weary coral]

well servers cost money, and you cant even pay for the game yet. its also not in a finished state and seems like the devs dont want to charge money for an unfinished product. there are other reasons but this one is probably the easiest to understand

[torpid crest]

It's like dealing meth and giving your clients a little taste of the product to get them hooked. If this game suddenly released on steam, as polished as it'll be upon true release, it's likely very few would bat an eye to it. But by engaging with the playerbase and letting any random fellow test the waters, they're getting a massive fanbase alongside some of the best testing a studio can get

[stoic valve]

get them addicted to meth and lock them in a room without any and watch them go mentally insane then after months finally give them more meth to feed that bloodcurdling addiction and then take it away from them again to be funny

[icy yarrow]

Dead game

[open cloak]

Dark and Darker showed me the light. Now I am truly in the dark.

[fallen ivy]

The dark grows darker ...

[green flame]

When your lost in the dark, look for the light

[unique sable]

Barbs fear can actually highlight the mimic too

[lofty wing]

i NEED the hit again i NEED to kill more barbs i NEED psychiatric help

[thorn thicket]

Make it fun by outplaying them.

[lime creek]

tomorrow we play ... Light and Lighter

[austere palm]

Please extend the playtest. The only other alternative to Dark and Darker would be to LARP at the park. Please don't make me do this

[lusty perch]

where we meeting

[gentle wave]

Is it possible to get Legendary (Orange) items out of gold chests in Highroller Hell or only off bosses / Skull Key room chests?

[maiden marlin]

Guys I have a question. Will I get banned for pick pocketing my own teammates as a rogue?

[unborn sigil]

See, this is why you're not a game designer.

[hardy escarp]

Just played Dou against 3 enemys was Hella fun

[fathom crow]

No, even intentional TK is allowed, although then you will get karma reported and get a red name. Then nobody will team up with you anymore.

[viral arrow]

2 portals, 3 people, somebody is dying

[subtle notch]

It doesn't have to be that way... We can all go down to the next level with the red portal!!

[green flame]

You shouldnt have a chance when your a solo vs. Duos or trios by DEFAULT, i think you should have a chance if you out gear and outskill them, currently i feel like that is the case, if its unfun for you, practise more, gear up in solos more, youll start to beat them

[open cloak]

Dark and Darker is one of the best games in a while. It made me feel like a kid again, just stress free, having fun. Very few games can do that.

[echo rune]

It's not a pvp game, you just shouldn't be able to solo 3 people. If you wanna go solos into that map expect to be a little bit more unconventional in your plan, you don't have to be a mindless NPC that just swings every time your neurons are activated. Use darkness and sound to scout out people, isolate one in an ambush or avoid them entirely

[worn hinge]

I mean, it is a pvp game but I somewhat agree.

[covert cove]

fr! there hasn't been any games that I've been excited for in a while (up until now)

[weak vigil]

tag mod with edit maybe they can answer you @burnt badger open up the member list and tag a mod thats online (@ warden) i think

[cosmic meadow]

So what do i do in my life if D&D is closed ? i think current patch can stay open no ? 😦

[slow mulch]

Secret text servers Inc

[high heath]

a lot of us is going to miss join this wonderful experience. Hope to can join this again VERY soon

[unborn sigil]

I'm going to go ahead and guess that whatever gains the trio queue gets by only having the trio mode aren't going to justify the amount lost by not having a practical way to solo.

[quaint ginkgo]

Just wanna ask, I know this game won't be free anytime soon but will the developers think about doing a discount or something? So other Players could afford the game or will that be a big no?

[raven beacon]

Yo weren’t they supposed to leave you with enough time to finish your run once you started it? Cuz it cut out before we were able to finished it and kill the liche

[broken fable]

how much will it cost??

[worldly jay]

Look at QnA

[burnt badger]

I will pay $60 rn to let me keep playing

[timid cloak]

same here

[languid tundra]

take my money IronMace.

[shut scaffold]

If early access is happening the end of April why would they even have another alpha tests

[olive forge]

to get more ppl hooked up 😛

[pearl epoch]

yeah this was their biggest playtest they got 2 million players

[green flame]

The gains is not having the playerbase be split by 5 diffrent que types, the trios dungoen is built around having a trio as well, theyd have to redesign the whole dungeon for that kindve experience, and the benifit of going solo in trios if your able to take on duos and trios is 100% of the potiential loot rather than 33% its a pretty significant difference if you consider the profit margins

[gentle lichen]

EXTEND GAME PLS

[balmy flame]

oops I asked in the wrong chat. reposting here: if I have 2 potions of healing, both 10 hp, and I drink one right after the other ... does that cancel the first one? visually it resets the timer so idk. would I heal for 20 total or is it cancelled?

[crisp rapids]

New and don't wanna stop

How often does this game come and go?

[runic violet]

2-4 months

[random heron]

NANI !?

[wicked dagger]

Pretty sure it's canceled. That's why I pack some bandages too. Potion then bandage up

[dark cargo]

Have you guys been thinking about adding dark and darker to xbox and Playstation because the game feels like id play well on console

Cross-platform wouldn't be bad aswell

[tender echo]

When does this gorgeous game come out?

[quiet wave]

I bet April 1st Next playtest

[hollow crypt]

April next playtest?

[stone belfry]

does anyone have the fighter screenshot of the top 10 from the final minutes of the playtest

[high heath]

Considering this is an Alpha, me and my friend enjoyed the experience very smoothly and pretty almost without bug (the only one i got is: matchmaking started > my friend joined i remained into lobby stuck in searching and without the possibility to cancel the queue (as it says the match is currently running or something like. nothing bad as it happened once and a restart of game fixed it)). All to say this is a quality development. Thanks for this. You rock 🤘

[unborn sigil]

That's some solid reasoning. And if one person were to fight ten people, he'd have TEN TIMES THE LOOT!!! WOW!

[idle rock]

do we keep that adventure currency thing between playtests? Or is everything wiped?

[elfin lion]

everything is wiped

[tidal vault]

You start from scratch even your characters

[crude lantern]

DAMMIT, I WANTED TO PLAY D&D BUT i've been busy with work. Thought I had some extra time today.

[open cloak]

To new beginnings! see you all again in the next life!

[lusty stirrup]

Be like me
Play cleric
Run around as solo saying you'll heal groups
You are now a four stack
Have fun and loot

[plush pilot]

Will we keep the skins boughts in the shop ? It's not necessary but it would be rewarding for those grinding the playtests, maybe a cool skull chroma that we could keep?

[green flame]

Ik your being sarcastic but if someone were to kill ten people and survive that, this man has killed more than half the lobby, the amount and quality of that guys gained loot would be incredible, the point is having more ques is bad idea, and if dealing with goblin mines is too much for you and you wanna solo, get gud skill issue ect. ect.

[coarse swallow]

Will skins be kept in between wipes once the game will release?

[round eagle]

Hype build

[gilded tide]

It would not be fair skins wile very cool to have can give you some kind of bonuses

[solid temple]

how 2 do dat when game ded now

[little root]

game ded?

[ocean yarrow]

Why need close game while making game

[burnt badger]

This game runs better than 80% of new console releases please bring it out rn and update as time goes on 🥹😭

[vague urchin]

dark n darker rust mod? gmod mod?

[safe karma]

Server cost , they don't want money for a g ame that's not finished , they have morals.

I know that feels weird from devs right ? first time probably

[steel token]

the servers don't run nor maintain themselves, and it allows pure focus on an in development game, time to review the data amassed during the playtest, etc.

[coarse portal]

The Goblin Mines were my favorite part of this playtest, I really enjoyed the opportunity to run around and talk to people without necessarily killing each other. Are there any plans to add more solo maps in the future?

[crisp rapids]

Like why do they need to take game down? They can't just do scheduled maintenance/updates like every other alpha on steam? Why punish ur player base?

[jolly mirage]

its like crack they give you a bit so you want more

[halcyon hearth]

It was an experiment for their idea with long term maps. If the feedback is positive then it's likely we'll see more maps designed around specific party sizes, which I think is better for the game than forcing different sized queues on a larger map designed for larger parties.
I thought the goblin tunnels wouldn't be good, but I enjoyed them quite a lot and the worries I had never happened

[tender echo]

Who is going to have access to early access in april? and will early access last till the game comes out?

[lusty stirrup]

Burn out on their unfinished game

[burnt badger]

Is the playtest gone or is there just an update they're working on? When can we play again

[halcyon hearth]

They will announce when the next test is when they've got the date locked in internally

[gaunt sparrow]

I believe the Goblin Cave was the rework of the originally planned level 1, "Caves," right? Seems that way to me, as several playtests ago they mentioned they were going to bring in level 1 Caves, and they never did.

[unique sable]

wasn't level 1 called the basement?

[rotund frigate]

And when will the servers be opened?

[wicked dagger]

My guess is people who buy the game get early access like most games.

[solid temple]

when is next playtest/early access

[halcyon hearth]

They said level 1 is still in the concept stage, they aren't fully sure how it's going to look. Caves were an option that was mentioned

[crisp rapids]

Idk I got to enjoy the game for a whole 3hrs because of my busy work schedule. For a game as unique and loved by a huge community I'm sure they can figure out a way to gain support for server cost.

Hopefully the next will last up until launch. I don't mind whiping the characters and reseting for balance test but let us play the game.

[steel token]

[wicked coyote]

Is general off for spam or just indefinitely

[pearl epoch]

lets let the devs rest for a few weeks then they can decide if they want to or not

[elfin wren]

I feel alone of people forget this game is being released to us for testing, as an Alpha. Thats before Beta people....

[lusty stirrup]

This is completely a bad idea. Look how many games are already failed because they are unfleshed releases. Let them do what they need to so we can have an even better version of what we are playing. I hope if we get another play test it's a 2 week long one. But outside that, the game will come when THEY THINK ITS READY not when you wanna play it.

[vestal burrow]

Let the devs cook 🗣️

[lucid veldt]

Let em cook 🔥

[open cloak]

Cook

[loud seal]

Look at MW2 lol, and yall want STILL want an unfinished game to be released.

[steel token]

The escape portals are timed with the entire match, doing that would accomplish pretty much nothing other than just confusion.

[open cloak]

I think a weekly map change would be cool. Map variety and keep the queue times fast.

[tribal hawk]

When's the next playtest , we need to start counting days haha

[burnt badger]

what happend i can't download dark&darker

[manic shadow]

This tbh 2 friends recommended me the game and i launched it up with one earlier, chose fighter, and as i pressed enter lobby the game closed 😭 only got 5 minutes couldn't even get into a match i'm so eager to try this game

[dawn dagger]

playtest ended

[crisp rapids]

Better let the hype die and move on to a new game that wont shut out for a bit 🤷‍♂️

[versed mural]

As a solo i would have love to have a solo only mode on the forgotten castle map

[crude lantern]

As a solo, I would like to have dark and darker so I can dark in my darker while im darkin' in the dark

[lusty dagger]

👨‍🍳

[faint tide]

How do I become an official playtester so I can keep stabbing?

[fathom crow]

Become a dev for DaD

[heavy geyser]

duo also

[mossy parcel]

amazing game, can't wait for more classes and talent tree!!!!!

[heavy geyser]

anyone knows next date for playtest?

[ivory quartz]

Next week

[tame tulip]

^ where do yo usee this

[remote umbra]

2.26 17:30 AP
Ap for asia pacific

[round ginkgo]

Next 'playtest' is probably the EA alluded to be in late April.

[modern juniper]

27.05.2023

[harsh bane]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[ivory quartz]

Website

[mellow crater]

Will this game have occasional wipes like EFT ?

[zealous iris]

would be boring if there was no wipes

[terse lynx]

Anyone know why ignite only had a one second burn time even with fire mastery? Was it a bug?

[tribal hawk]

Lets report this on bug Channel, probably this is issue

[hushed galleon]

why rogue invis lasts 45 seconds instead of 60

[lyric zenith]

If there is a ziombie apocalypse before the next play test , will you bring the game online early ?

[late mason]

is there any plans on nerfing barbs cause some basic gear barbs still 2 shot me while i am deck out in blue gear as a fighter(maybe reduce their headshot bonus a tad bit) also would be cool to get some potion of magic resistance too if that is planned(amazing game played it a ton had a great time)

[cinder axle]

How are some people still playing?

[high heath]

???

[kind hill]

Do cosmetics bought with adventure points save after every play test or do they reset

[supple grove]

They reset

[cinder axle]

Why do i still see people in the voice chat playing the game? how?

[maiden latch]

they arent playing it

[ornate grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cedar notch]

@everyone we should rally to put the game back up but with the characters wiped and the characters reset every mounth

[shell marten]

you should rally people to play other games while small dev group can work on a game without worry on whats happening in their game

[zealous iris]

They should focus on what they in mind right now they are doing amazing job, just play other games and wait for next play test

[versed egret]

This is the final playtest

[nocturne steppe]

how do you know

[turbid niche]

Does the game still keep every loot you earned in the stash and still be there until next Demo?

[ivory quartz]

all your loot is gone forever

[stuck mica]

Does anyone have a list of all the Legendary Weapons?

Atm I know of:

Fulgor
Cinder
Viola
(Bardiche I dont know the name of...)
(Magic scepter i dont know the name of...)

[swift ridge]

Paladin when.

[versed egret]

early access in april/may, unless they delay that, there probably won't be another playtest

[topaz cypress]

same as cleric

[tribal hawk]

Yeah i need to know too

[crisp rapids]

I hope ur right but also hopefully that's not so far off it kills hype

[cedar notch]

@polar cairn

[fierce sage]

Elven Bow of Truth

[steel pine]

Based on the #📢announcements we might be getting another playtest before the possible April early access, would be nice to see more on that new class they teased, but we'll be getting something like a roadmap I think from when I was researching the pre playtests videos from anyone who had contact with the devs. Not too surprising since Ironmace is pretty good at communication, but still worth a mention.

[simple cave]

Why do we still have slow mode on @ wardens

[stuck mica]

Ill add it to the list, does anyone else know the name of the magic scepter or the bardiche? I know they exist because the scepter is in the IGN trailer and there was a guy flaunting the bardiche last playtest in the market.

[marsh solar]

how often are the play tests im already depressed

[stoic pilot]

Every fortnight

[long flicker]

Is the game releasing in April for early access?

[steel pine]

From what was mentioned possibly. It is on track for that to possibly happen, but it could as well be May or June. Really depends on how the data from this playtest went and if they handle the issues they're having. I hope so

[fathom crow]

About every 1.5 months id say

[echo patio]

how submit suggestion

[little root]

Could game just not release any time and we can play its playtest forever? Please 🥹

[bronze crow]

i have some big question what magic attribute gives most magic damage (like additional magical damage true magic damage etc)

[vernal jungle]

Full plating yer cleric literally makes a paladin xD

[plush pilot]

That's exactly why mine is called Paladinus

[versed egret]

you're too slow as full plate cleric, quite a bit slower than a barb

[steel pine]

One simple response for that.
Mica Vista Uihlean
Bonk

[marsh solar]

when we getting bigger bags?

[steel pine]

Someone did recommend player backpacks like they show in photos, might be something to come closer to EA if they plan on it for having someone be a pack mule lmao

[steep mountain]

Will there ever be a single party map/server for people who enjoy the base game but don't enjoy the pvp experience?

[green flame]

Bonk energy best energy imo

[stoic pilot]

How much DMG does melted cheese do?

[marsh solar]

i think just as you get more geared u can buy a better bag because i feel like leave alot of gear to the zone

[steel pine]

Yeah I mean it is a skill to be able to inventory manage on the fly to cycle out better loot, it can be a pain to the more casual player like myself. I'd take a MS hit to have a backpack in trios, but in terms of base inventory who knows what they might do

[severe meteor]

add an ak47 to the game

[agile spindle]

meet the pack mule
1 hp
50 bags all over his character
crooked back
slow when encumbered

[scarlet minnow]

Black magic

[agile spindle]

necromancy

[slow hill]

question when will the full game release?

[versed egret]

wonder how viable a magic dmg cleric would be, you could prob do 80-90 dmg with it seeing as how base is around 50

[marsh solar]

yh but somtimes the loot be too much

[agile spindle]

when it release

[stoic pilot]

What about different races? Lil dwarf

[tribal hawk]

I need playtest in late march, plsss

[steel pine]

You can get a lot of dmg out as cleric if you stack the right items, don't ask me because I am not that skilled. I recommend watching Chad Cleric from PhoenixDexterity to learn more on that.

@marsh solar It is, I am horrible at inv management. I'm interested in seeing what they do

[versed egret]

you could prob get it to one shot fighters

[steel pine]

I don't think you can get judgement to one shot, but you can probably manage to buff up with protection and divine strike, trade 2 blows, space, then cast judgement. They'll either be dead, or just about after that depending on gear

[devout jungle]

if playtest ended how comes that people still play in discord

[marsh solar]

i dont think my inv managment is bad but yesterday i got a triple kill all purple gear and was to much to take

[sullen scroll]

can we play this game in china withou vpn?

[stone yoke]

have the announced when the next play test is?

[steel pine]

Yeah, that's absolutely painful to leave behind

[marsh solar]

tbf i took the best shit and make 4k

[azure kernel]

will the game be free on release?

[versed egret]

cheating is gonna be rough even with a pay2play model unfortunately

[steel pine]

People are talking about $90 for EA and $50 for release, but I don't see that cost happening initially.

[agile spindle]

i'd pay one beer

[patent jewel]

did they remove the demo?

[empty leaf]

Q: will reactions ever come back?

[steel pine]

#📢announcements It's over lad

[patent jewel]

it was so good, im sad now

[ornate grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[indigo quarry]

Is the test over already or does it end today?

[fathom turtle]

it moved to epic games store (jk)

[ornate grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[brisk perch]

Have they thought about character personalization? Also it would be pretty cool to get new classes like a Necromancer, Monk and Paladin/Demon Hunter

[ornate grove]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[white yew]

Am i wrong in saying they ended the demo early? Was supposed to last another 7 hours

[neat bramble]

yes you're wrong, no it wasn't

[high heath]

why they just don't release the early access, maintaining active the "demo mode" testing changes there and update the Early Access build to the latest version once stable? The game was amazingly smooth and funny. Almost no bug already. Please. Great work, prayse you 🙏

[cedar skiff]

Hey i have a question,did the paytest got extended?

[white yew]

If they kept the game right now imo it would die in months.

@cedar skiff it is done as of 5 hours ago

[cedar skiff]

Oh ok,i thought i Saw something about extension Yesterday,well rip

[high heath]

i don't think so if is well and constantly updated

[cedar skiff]

Honestly when the game leaves the f2p phase its gonna loose 70% players,but their is still 30% more people to play with

[high heath]

also the unique thing of this game is how much is fun and cooperatively beautiful to organize with friends

[cedar skiff]

Yeah,verry fun with friends

[faint wave]

I had a ton of fun with solo too, really hope that is a permanent feature.

[abstract cove]

Does anyone have an idea of what the cost is going to be when it releases?

[cedar skiff]

But imo the game would do way better with a f2p and you buy skins,cuz amma be honest their is not nearly enought content for me to pay more than 20 bucks

[high heath]

i agree, it should be a must have. i had fun there too, and even found "temporary friends to collaborate with" great experience. i didn't have fun and feel like this since 20 years ago, with first approaches to Lineage II

[cedar skiff]

But its a demo,its meant to be janky,so well see the final game

[pallid grail]

Those who make top ranks, do you intend to practice before next playtest, and if so, how?

[cedar skiff]

Recoding the entire game and master it

[pallid grail]

Seems reasonable lmao, I mean more like bow aim trainers, or similar games.

[woven wedge]

play mordhau

[onyx lily]

valheim pvp scrims time

[lavish hamlet]

u just need a premade team there u go

[white yew]

If it was constantly updated then sure, however, I feel waiting for early access in April is better. As someone who played a shit ton of Tarkov trust me. Better for the game to be closer to finishing. Or hype will die down

[lavish hamlet]

i´d buy the game for 100 bucks why cry about 20bucks

[crisp rapids]

I'd happily pay 20 bucks for current state

[high heath]

i may can agree with that vision. i didn't know EA is scheduled for April. i read about end of the year

[cedar skiff]

This game is already mad leaking hype,its gonna loose at least 30% traction in the next week

[crisp rapids]

Yup, I'm already playing something else hopefully it doesn't fall off radar until a big youtuber talks about it again

[cedar skiff]

But i love this game and i became an addict,so plz gib moar demo

[fierce sage]

Wait a minute, I think you've cracked it. The game is going to be less talked about while it isn't available! OMG! You've cracked the code!

[faint wave]

I honestly hope they don't do early access. Just release the 1.0 with some playtests leading up

[chilly slate]

lol

[dense vigil]

EA is gonna get them some funds and budget for the game

[cedar skiff]

my brain has no limit

[fast harness]

Hello guys, if we have an upcoming playtest, will our items in the stash remain? or will be wiped out?

[random isle]

Wiped

[topaz bane]

they got investors, it's all good to see player base /online active players but $$ is also needed for ROI, so yeah.

[faint wave]

I mean, ROI is needed sure. But lets not act like games can't wait to release on 1.0, It happens all the time. I dont know Ironmace's financials of course though.

[topaz bane]

The game as it is, it's already very nice and people pre orders shit games that have 0 value and die within a week, giving money for something we already tested and know it's alpha is far better this is just how the current market is, you don't want your game to 'die ' and no 'hype' google VHS ( dbd like game) what happen when they went extra down for 3 months between playtest and EA

[faint wave]

That is kind of where I'm coming from though. Releasing a game missing key components of content or metagame could easily cause hype to die down. I have no problem with supporting the game, I've played 100+ hours across playtests. I'm just saying I think it would be wise to wait until they have a content rich game to release and then build on that hype. Otherwise people might play it and say "this is it?" And never give it a chance again.

[timid summit]

was anyone else able to obtain unique weapons i wanted to see the stats of other weapons besides the halberd

[exotic wave]

Honestly the best you could probably do is Chivalry 2 or even Minecraft archery. That said no game has even remotely similar bow physics to DarkND

[quick oar]

I mean... DnD has by far released a more than playable game. Sure, its a bit basic at the moment in the broadest respect... You go in, you kill things, you try and survive. Its not like there's just one type of enemy and no use for money to be collected in said dungeons. I'm curious as to what you want in a "content rich game"?

Not to say that the game doesn't have room to improve, again, in the broadest respect its a bit basic but imo definitely going in the right direction.

[exotic wave]

What weapons do you guys think need to be buffed? I've found Bardiche and Quarterstaff kind of mid, at least with Qstaff you get good movement speed and it's a rare blocking option for Barbarian, but Bardiche.. You move slow asf, it's poor in PVE, yes it can block but it's animation is really awkward compared to LSword or QStaff and it's DPS is hilariously bad, I wouldn't be surprised if QStaff kills faster.

How's the Halberd? It's the only weapon I've never tried but I wonder if it shares the Bardiche woes.

[exotic wave]

Game is pretty far from release mate. I do however hope some parts get a 2nd pass specifically stash size and player trading (just give us an actual auction please)

[fluid dirge]

Game was fun sorta.. i just wish that wizard wont be this stupid OP when game will release. It beats any melee class in melee and range classes in range. kinda dumb.

[velvet verge]

lol no

[fast sigil]

It's called a Playtest for a reason mate 😄

[outer sluice]

I think the most desbalanced was the barbarian

[exotic wave]

Wizard is very powerful in the right hands but only dumpsters on Barbarians and Clerics imo. Fighters can 1 tap a max gear wizard with a shitty xbow it's just most players are kinda bad and can't hit their shots.

I somewhat agree with Claudeyr although mainly because Barbarians Axe Specialist passive is horribly overtuned (seriously what other passive gives you 25-45% more damage and further stacks with other damage passives? insane ahh perk)

[fast sigil]

i agree aswell. I only ever had real issues with the barbarian (I played mostly Fighter) Tended to always 1hit me no matter the gear or potions

[exotic wave]

Learn to use your mobility and blocks as well as body manipulation against them. If you can avoid a headshot and force a body hit you'll increase your chances dramatically. An average longsword user that can riposte can dumpster a good barbarian.

[split bison]

With Wizard you had to actually be careful. there were 3 single target spells:
Zap - Didnt do much damage more of a finisher
Ice Bolt - slow but not too much damage
magic missiles - have to hold still.

Other than that if you get up on the wizard they are likely dead

[fast sigil]

ahh! thanks. The blocks seemed to not work alot of the times (like going through the shield per:say)

[exotic wave]

Blocks are extremely accurate in this game, that is to say their hitboxes are 1:1 with their models so in order for a block to work you must actually deflect it. Common rule of thumb is if you can see them, your shield is too low.

[fast sigil]

ok i will remember that 🙂 thanks mate

[split bison]

Personally I feel they did amazing on the wizard making them have to actually think and plan their spells my only gripe with the class was that meditate was a requirement. There really wasnt another option. Now if I could for instance bring 2 sets of ignite and 3 sets of haste it would be better similar to memorizing spellbooks in pathfinder or DnD that would be useful because then you could take the passives for armor, reactive shield, and fire damage lowers their physical resistance and this would also let you run both spell books so you just bring a lot of spells but no way to recover them

[exotic wave]

Uncommon knowledge but Longswords block has a unique 2 attack combo attack chain you can only trigger after a successful block (tap right click 1-2 times after you block with it) these are some of the fastest attacks in the game and do increased damage, you can easily pop 2 of these off between every Felling Axe swing.

I recommend buying a couple grey Longswords and practicing on a Barbarian friend or a random skeleton next playtest. Obviously a lot cheaper practicing blocking with a shield since you start with one.

[exotic wave]

You do not actually need meditate. If you're chad enough you can use campfires only to refresh your spells, which means running double spell memory is a real viable strategy.

[exotic wave]

Nobody answered my question earlier sobbing crying vomiting in anguish

[split bison]

but from what I could tell I could not have the same spell in both books. But i guess technically yeah you are correct. campfire sadly doesnt do much to refresh spells. Opening up a path for a better melee wizard would be fun

[outer sluice]

They did a great job with wizard for sure

[exotic wave]

That'd be incredibly unbalanced. Wizards main weakness and counter is drawn out combat.

[outer sluice]

I think it can be a type of biuld but, of curse, or melee path or ranged

[split bison]

But they literally made the crystal sword (which has its downside the casting point is further from your body making it more likely to tag off walls and mobs, they have a passive for extra armor and frostbite on hit, ignite and haste. They have all the tools for a battlemage except prepping of spells to go towards it

[exotic wave]

I'm confused what you guys are saying

[split bison]

So your comment is that their main weakness and counter is drawn out combat which would remain if they were buff reliant but if for instance I could take the instant cast ability and a spellbook (i would lose ability to regenerate spells easily in exchange for being able to periodically cast a spell fast). What would be the balance issue?

Wizards have all the tools to go melee or range just the spellbook needs a redesign and I do not think it would be much more op then me slamming haste and ignite on my rogue buddy and him stabbing people

[mystic yarrow]

So when is another playtest?

[exotic wave]

I think we might've misunderstood each other earlier: I thought you suggested stacking spells to increase their capacity which I called unbalanced.

[spice nest]

When next play test I’m depressed I had nightmares

[mystic yarrow]

me 2 stand up like "yeah i gonna play its the last day of playtest" and see this not open and realise its end

[spice nest]

I payed 140 hours in 7 days lol

[split bison]

So I think stacking spells would honestly be the only way to make a melee wizard work without meditate. I just abhor the meditate reliance. Letting a wizard take 2x ignite 2x haste 1x invisibility would open up the ability to drop meditate imo and make them able to go battle mage due to seeing enemies instant cast ignite or haste and fight up front.

it would obviously take some balancing by smarter people than me to do so but it is just the one issue that I had. I tried so hard to run without meditate

[exotic wave]

Christ bro I thought my 60 was excessive

[mystic yarrow]

man XD i know that feel i had my 24 h adventure without sleeping to maximized the playtest

[exotic wave]

Bro no... You can literally run Campfires. Imagine someone stacking 5 hastes and 5 fireballs and never needing to meditate or campfire during a 5 minute game with likely only 2 pvp encounters

Also wym "to melee wizard work" that's already the meta

[lyric oak]

How much will the game cost in early access or will it be f2p I just want a approximation

[split bison]

you forget the cost of campfires for one. and each campfire will recharge like 1-2 fireballs (i tested this)

[tawny vessel]

What's physical healing, vs magical healing?

[split bison]

food vs cleric spells

[exotic wave]

Melee wizard using haste/invis/incinerate on dagger+crystal ball is so strong atm that its the main reason people call Rogue underpowered dawg

Also the cost doesn't matter in high roller or if you're even halfway kitted. Wizard is bordering on OP already you have no idea how unhinged the idea of stacking spells would be.

[mystic yarrow]

idk what you talking about but ithink mage need changes 2 cause its a one character who CANT do troll cause of his mechanic :// its kinda suck. i think they can do him weaker by other side now he is easy to one shoot and slow ok but they can give him cd or something like that and give some things to balance this

[tawny vessel]

Next question, does will increase length of debuffs applied by rogue?

[exotic wave]

The game should not balance itself around solo play.

[glacial prairie]

Solo highroller would be nice

[exotic wave]

Solo highroller goblin caves would be fire ngl although I'd imagine half the lobby would instantly die like it does in regular goblin caves lmfaoo

[split bison]

also another thing that you are forgetting is spell slot limits. they could be lowered a bit

[mystic yarrow]

emmm i dont think so every character have they balance and you can go solo its about skill but no be able to do a boss only by one character is kinda suck and make him not worth if devs dont want solo on this game they dont add solo map/mode btw troll is only on solo cave so

[exotic wave]

I'm sorry bro but ur not gonna convince me that your balance ideas to let Wizard roll into a match with multiple fireballs and hastes is a good idea at all.

[split bison]

fair enough but rangers can roll in with unlimited arrows and a spear which imo was one of the most op weapons i saw

[glacial prairie]

Yeah that cave is chaos xD

[manic root]

will there be another playtest? if so does anyone know when it will be?

[mystic yarrow]

i cant remember how many times ive been one shot by one extra range slash attack by gobblin XDDD

[fluid dirge]

That would destroy the whole class.. all i want is a little dmg nerf so it aint good all over the game.. But like i said before.. I hope they are not like they are now when game release

[tired hornet]

when will the game come back???

[glacial prairie]

It's always the stupid death beatles that do alot of damage to me

[split bison]

I wouldnt mind seeing some damage go to open their kit up to different play styles like being a battlemage, being a support wizard, being a caster etc

[exotic wave]

I mean the only class actually good at troll killing is Ranger tbh. Troll in general is a weird mechanic which I'm not completely happy with. Wizard can kill Troll about as "easily" as other melee classes provided you learn the pattern since the only way to avoid its rush after its shout outside of that one niche Fighter ability (Breakthrough) is to face hug him and duck looking down.

[mystic yarrow]

Yeah its the only mob i cant dodge XD and this stacking slow is terrible

[fluid dirge]

Ive killed troll with shield and sword.. but it took so damn long i died to the damn circle "as a fighter" ive tryd with rogue.. not possible after lamps got changed atleast when i was doing it.. maybe someone else made it after patch.

[exotic wave]

I just remembered that Barb has that one passive that gives you a 45% magic res for free and his biggest counter is Wizard so that's actually kinda smart. Ig Cleric has the most issues with Wizards since Clerics have no fucken ranged option at all.

[mystic yarrow]

Man no he cant XD look at yt vids so many mele classes and nobody on wizard why? you maybe can make him half hp and you must sit on your ass troll gonna run to you and slash you by one smash cause you have a standing up animation its terrible stun so

[exotic wave]

People have done it. Google it. Its very annoying and you need to know how to body manipulate to avoid the swings but it's very possible to do it without block.

@mystic yarrow Wizard is the worst solo class yeah. I don't think that should be changed however because he's mostly fine in trios which is the main game. If you want to be a solo stomper then make a Ranger, literally nothing is stopping you.

[glacial prairie]

Exactly.... I move left and right and it always hits still. Other one I struggle with is that skele guardian, the stupid thing with a shield. Slaps me

[fluid dirge]

Haha hes hard one ;D

[brisk vale]

wizard is great in solo lol. Crystal ball + dagger is amazing for that

[fluid dirge]

Yes.. with ignite haste invis

[willow hollow]

how long do you think the game will be down for?

[surreal whale]

April

[willow hollow]

so like a month or so?

[outer sluice]

I heard about it, where do i found the info?

[surreal whale]

I'm making an assumption, they usually do between a month/month and a half between playtests

[proven raft]

will items still be on your account for next playtest?

[rose bobcat]

As a cleric do you only need to target a heal on your party member at the start of the cast? Or doest it track when you let go?

[fluid dirge]

Game should be up all the time while they work on it so people can have fun ^^

[willow hollow]

i cant play it

[tame swan]

6 hours and 32 minutes without DnD and my life has already become unbearable. The emptiness and despair I feel is indescribable. It's like a part of me is missing. I never realized how much I relied on DnD for daily tasks and entertainment until now. The terrible agony I feel is incomprehensible to any living organism. The amount of despair I feel is unstable, unbalanced, deranged even. I truly can’t live in this world if I can’t play my favorite game dark and darker. I’m so miserable. I can’t take this suffering I’ll do anything to play dark and darker again. The world seems dull and gray without its presence. I pray for its return, as I cannot imagine going another moment without the joy and efficiency it brings to my life. Dark and Darker, where are you? Please come back and save me from this misery.

[surreal whale]

It's a hitscan, you need to land the heal at the end of the cast

[exotic wave]

Yeah honestly the game is surprisingly well balanced. I think there's some tweaking that could be done to passives and some weapons are UP, but things ppl are calling OP really aren't. I genuinely think the only OP thing in the game is Axe Specialist passive for Barbarian which caused a butterfly effect making people think Felling Axe/Horseman Axe was OP (the passive can be literally up to 45% damage increase for a low tier Horseman and even in Purple tier its still more than 10%, insane)

@rose bobcat It's when you let go. The only thing that locks on at the start is your Judgment ability.

[willow hollow]

its says coming soon on steam

[proven raft]

i dont get it does all items and gold get removed from account?

[surreal whale]

Yeah it's wiped, every playtest has been the same

[rose bobcat]

Ah right, yeah that confused me 🙂

[low orbit]

Yes Son, you'll have to start off again from scratch

[proven raft]

i was so cheap should have bought better wepons with my gold :C

[exotic wave]

Think of casting time sort of like drawing an arrow, releasing the button is like releasing the arrow and sending it.

[mystic yarrow]

But he is not a support... its wizard he have buffs ok and solo dmg... so they MUST change him in his mechanics. remake the maditation system i think now he can do play 1 vs teams but they need to balbance it like other calasses i dont need a super easy wizxard who is op and over powered its not game about this. look at other characters rogue low dmg but so fast and can hide/ fighter an one who us uni af can be slow tanky brick, can do a lot of dmg by long sword, can use shields, can use bows/ barba [ i think now he i a little over powered tbh but a little bit ] slow but can one shoot you/ ranger so as his name call RANGE they have balance all have perks/ items/ skills that make them balanced and mage you shoot 2-3 mobs must sit on ass because in fight situation without any spells you bonk someone by 10 with stuff and get one shooted :DD you cant sit on you grandpa ass in fight so its impossible to have your main weapon in game : ) its super difficult to play him i mean its EXTREME gap between do some dmg and do nothing. AND remember his old so he is slow af in doing stuffs, in looting to so you play with some nice teammates who give you some stuff or you end with nothing good at all on team dungs 😊

[willow hollow]

how do you know its wiped

[exotic wave]

Uhh give me a sec to read this and comprehend it

[rose bobcat]

It’s an alpha test… what do you expect? 🙂

[rain bluff]

its a demo, so were testing the game, of course we dont keep the loot. everyone starts fresh on release

[rose bobcat]

You can’t release a game and have testers be way ahead

[outer sluice]

Was the others playtests had a wipe?

[rain bluff]

yes ofc.

[mystic yarrow]

i dont mean make him op like no meditation mechanic do 100 dmg per fireball its kinda hard game on lvl like dark souls and its fun cause of it i like how hard that game is i only want to change the meditation system making him a little better by cost of other things idk nerf something in him ONLY i want from him is balance like other characters and fun to play ._.

[willow hollow]

can you still play cuz i cant

[rain bluff]

if you run 2 spellbooks its pretty crazy, i think personally they need to tune down wiz, they are ridiculous and by far the best solo class. same with ranger, fuck ranger entirely lol

[stone yoke]

when does the game release?

[fluid dirge]

No

[mystic yarrow]

i think its not the case just hope devs change him not a lot but in mechanic system :c to more enjoyable to play ... some nerfs some changes and its fine

[rain bluff]

wiz is a high skill gap, the highest by any class

[mystic yarrow]

yup

[exotic wave]

Forgot to reply @mystic yarrow

Ok some points:

• You seem to be under the impression that Wizard is leaning on low tier. I do think Wizard is one of the worser Solo classes but by no means bad. Many people consider Wizard OP and most would very easily fit them in the top 3 best in trios. They're probably in the top 3 best in high gear Gobbo Caves too.

• "Rogue low damage but so fast" Rogue has some of the highest DPS especially burst DPS in the game.

• Fighter can use bows yes, Wizard can actually use Crossbows too. It's a very useful and underutilised proficiency.

• "you bonk someone 10 times with staff and get one shotted (as wizard)"... Yes? If you use a poor melee weapon and not self buff with your myriad of self buffs you will get hit and die, obviously. Wizards melee damage prowess is insane if you haste + incinerate on Crystal Sword or Dagger+Ball builds. Highest speed in the game, movement while invisible and a devastating DOT.

• "its super difficult to play him" well yes different classes have different skill floors and skill ceilings. If you want the simplest class play Barb, you can master Barb very quickly too. On the opposite end of the spectrum are Rogue and Wizard which require dense understanding of multiple game mechanics while barely surviving on low HP and DR. This doesn't mean they need a change, it just means you should try a lower skill floor class instead if you can't handle them yet.

[split bison]

a passive for slow regeneration of low level spells (like level 1 and 2 spells) to remove the absolute requirement of meditate would also be a ncie idea. that way wizards could regenerate ignite for instance and always have some source of damage rather than being out of the fight.

also @rain bluff i fully agree..... one mistake can mess up your team.... i remember when my barbarian ran in front of my chain lightning and it hit my whole team 😦 sad day for us

[rain bluff]

the top 10 wiz's of this demo did not run meditate

[exotic wave]

@mystic yarrow Replied to your text wall btw ^

[split bison]

congratz for the top 10 wiz's who probably also played prior demos and were min maxed on gear etc.... I hope this does not go the way of Path of Exile where everything is scaled to the top 1%

[rain bluff]

they even did 0-hero videos, and still playing solo in trios like it was nothing

[split bison]

there are always those types in every single game. the people who just crush it. that isnt who the scaling should be based upon though it leads to bad experience for the majority.

[rain bluff]

its all about positioning, campfires, double spell books and a dagger. NEVER use the staff that thing is horrid. also theres a couple different ways to play caster wiz. i've seen fireball mains, CL mains, Zap mains. Kind of just depends on your playstyle but literally every single one of them would Haste / Invis, rush behind the team and then take them out. it worked everytime lol

[exotic wave]

You can enter Goblin Caves with 600 gp loot and still die to a 50 gp naked Rogue. The game uses players own risk-reward rather than artifical matchmaking to equalise fights. Likewise if you manage to kill a Cobalt Geared Cleric while using nothing but your starting gear you just risked 0gp and got their 600gp gear.

That's the same core gameplay loop seen in other extract shooters like Tarkov or POE.

[split bison]

I got some good invis ambushes myself and juked barbarians and had a great time with wiz. PoE isnt a extract it is a diablo successor. It is just the easiest example of a game where everything is scaled off the elite players

in PoE for example less than 5% hit end game because of how they scaled it. From what i saw and talked with people most people never even made it through the red portals

[upbeat nebula]

in the about this game on the steam page it talks about choosing a role and then talks about a bard "Play as a brawny barbarian holding the frontlines while your sharp-eyed ranger friend fires arrows from afar and your merry bard sustains morale with a lively tune." does this mean we will get more classes when the game comes out?

[calm mirage]

oh gods i hope we get more classes.
Bard, paladin, druid. maybe even monk

[split bison]

My buddy and I were discussing this. It sounds like it or they dropped bard for Cleric I would love a druid

[green osprey]

I would do unspeakable things to play as a Druid

[mystic yarrow]

so you have some right but you little missunderstood me "hit by 10 staff" its about the dmg not how many times you hit, ok you have sword ok you have the bonk stick [ what is coll he have this one XD i like this] but only ONE lucky shoot by barb/ fighter or when rogue is near to you and you are ragdoll. crossbows emmm oke i dont play so much with it but think its just ok its have some reload time and other classes have range options 2. About Rogues again i speaking about dmg per hit, he have a nice dps cause of his speed and this alright. And yeah there are a lot of ppl who can say Rogue/Ranger/Fighter/Mage are op cause a lot of ppls a lot of opinions. i can easy find lot of vids where someone play as any class and write in title "... IS OP !!". And i think barb is little 2 overpowered rn tbh. i see in stats other classes have +/- 900 kills [ fighters 600 :// ] and barbs have 1500 XD its weirdo

[steel ibex]

Is there somewhere the GDD of Dark and Darker, i'm a Game Design Student and i would love to learn about this game developpement. It's such a great game btw gg to devs

[split bison]

You see a naked man with a staff... you charge him as you get near he turns into a bear.... your journey has ended here. 🐻

[calm mirage]

Yes YES, think about it guys. EVEN more loot, which means even more weapons to share among classes. More spells, more team groups.
plus the game needs another healer aside from just cleric, and druid or paladin would really fit.

[novel void]

does wizard not heal?

[split bison]

Look into a discord channel called The Arcane University they guide people into making skyrim mods

[steel ibex]

I dont understand the point between Skyrim mod and Dark and Darker

[idle rock]

Does rarity of Staff / Book etc. increase damage output? Does for example a blue staff increase magic damage without explicitly saying it? Or does it have the same magic damage as a white staff / orb / book?

[upbeat nebula]

it does not

[novel void]

thats weird why would they do that?

[split bison]

it is a very supportive group that teaches real world game design.... I have been working on some stuff with them to enhance my coding experience as there are a bunch of high tier game designers their who may know more about the engine Dark and Darker uses and they are all willing to spend time teaching

[limpid dragon]

You say this, but I don’t think you have seen/played what I have seen/played this play test LOL. Running at the speed of light invisible 3 shorting any class in the game with a flame buff dagger isn’t any kind of skill to me. Fighter in my opinion highest skill gap in the game with different weapons available and the highest probability of 1v3 and survivability if played correctly

[steel ibex]

Oh okay i'll see

[rain bluff]

well yeah im aware of the dagger 1-2 shots. but im saying it has the highest skill gap of any other class realistically.

[novel void]

i mean idk bout you but getting started as a wizard is damn near impossible unless you have a group

[exotic wave]

I get that but you have only yourself to blame for getting hit considering your immense movement speed. Also you really don't need to hit someone 10 times in pvp to kill them as wizard. Incinerate does 50+ damage overtime and you're liable in dealing about 80 damage on a white dagger in one hit (DOT included). You can literally run circles around a Barb.

Yes Barbs have the highest kill count because they're the dedicated frontliner with no other function. They're also mained last test by 16 hour a day streamers like Stouty. Wizard still sits very high on the lists.

I've been saying Barb is overtuned myself too. Axe Specialist passive specifically.

[ocean yarrow]

How you jump over spike trap?

[mystic yarrow]

MAybe cause you can put haste on yourself run away from enemy easy af and heal yourself to full hp putting 5 fireballs? its just be not op its would be super uper mega overpowered shit. Thats why he dont have heal

[exotic wave]

W + Space, if not enough speed press X to stow weps

[ocean yarrow]

Hm

[novel void]

makes sense I would stop playing that day if i got a wizard low he ran then fire balled me

[mystic yarrow]

or just stick to wall if its not too tight

[exotic wave]

Every class can use consumables to heal. Cleric is the only class that can heal others. Wizard is a nimble but frail nuker/utility controller with ranged speciality while Cleric is a slow but tanky healer/buffer with melee and anti-undead speciality.

[mystic yarrow]

he must have a distance because on close range fight he is 2 easy to kill but you know imagine you slash him he have maybe 15 hp now haste run heal to all hp and put on you some projectiles loot you and make campfire or medidation to have another heals XD its just too stupid if he have heal option

[calm mirage]

BTW Everyone, got a question and maybe a suggestion.

Levels. I never really noticed much of a difference leveling up aside from every lvl 5 levels to lvl 15. And with the Max being lvl 20 with no perk, i wanted to make a suggestion.

A stash reward or something given every lvl up, and if they don't allow us to put more perks on at lvl 20, then to allow us to just keep leveling like new level+ and each level we get a small reward.

It would make dying 2-4 games in a row feel less disapointing if once a lvl i got like, a small stash of coins, or small stack of candies.
or something of that sort.

[limpid dragon]

Well unfortunately wizard plays nuclear rogue better than rogue can even come close to in terms of “nuking”, especially considering you could melt people with straight magic damage as wizard it just wasn’t fun to play against

[split bison]

idk my biggest issue as a wizard was rogues lol

[limpid dragon]

Wizard feels like it’s in the right spot until you experience flame buff dagger and a wizard that moves faster than a charging barbarian is stabbing you manically and you’re dead in 3 hits, otherwise it does feel balanced

[wary osprey]

i found levelling up to be very fast in the demo, hopefully that's not the case witht he official release?

[calm mirage]

Does anyone else agree or make a suggestion to edit my comment?
i also agree with leader Bee, lvling DID feel a bit fast and reaching max lvl so quickly AND getting no new perks/rewards made it not feel as rewarding or needed as i orginally thought. lvl 15 felt like the max, not 20

[magic token]

it should scale more

[wary osprey]

i hit level 20 in just about 2 nights of playing

[mystic robin]

hi, did we know went is the next beta ? or early access?

[exotic wave]

Yes I actually mentioned that earlier. Personally think the simplest and best fix for this would be making Haste and Invisibility incompatible, as in one cancels the other. You can either go fast or be invisible not both.

[stray copper]

Is there some information/news when the new acces/demo will come? Hopefully not in longer term '' months'' xD

[calm mirage]

that would make good sense, also maybe do the same for some cleric spells, some of those really stack and one cleric can make someone into a beast or even themselves into a beast

[real hill]

any ideas on when the next playtest might be?

[exotic wave]

Levelling up is fine imo. It's not the main progression of the game (that's individual skill, your bank, and eventually trader level) if they overtuned levelling it'd make Rogue extremely unpleasant to play as it's nigh unplayable before lvl 10-15.

[exotic wave]

I think Cleric stacking is fine for the most part. The biggest egregious issue is the fact Protection spell stacks with Protection potions giving you 137 physical health, higher than a base Barbarian and since Cleric gets heavy armor access that can give them in the 270 effective HP due to damage resistance.

[wary osprey]

i suppose i largely agree, i just felt like i shouldnt be almost level 20 within 2 days of playing...obviously part of that is due to it being a test and XP is probably largely inflated for the purposes of testing

[mellow crater]

Will this game have occasional wipes like EFT ?

[calm mirage]

its why i think there should be rewards for lvling, or maybe when those quests come out for real, they can make even losing a game feel not as bad

Also yea, some spells shouldn't stack with potions, rogue with invis potions and their own hide can keep them invisible for like, half the game if they wanted too.

[mystic yarrow]

ok i understand your arguments and think we talking a little bit 2 hard about situational scenarios. you have some right i think so too in some of your words its not terrible in some situations mage is good in some is a scared running rat for his life :p and its ok that is game about it. With my barb example i've been too scenarios too cause you can use haste kiting him or dodging but its still a chance been slashed by him i chaos mouse panic. i just mean he need some little changes some nerfs some buff not in dmg but in mechanics :p making him stick together to other classes now its look like scene where you have the 3 squad shool friends who are just a normal fine kids [barb giga chad/ fighter kid who can do everything/ ranger this super athletic one] and the one outstanding weirdo who is hidden schoolshooter XD and this one is a mage

[calm mirage]

I got to lvl 20 on like 3 characters and close to lvl 20 for the other 3.
half my games were ether winning by the skim of my teeth, by luck, or very close winning combat with someone else.

while the other half was being dead cause goblin posioned me at the begining of the match, getting a VERY bad spawn point for a class ( goblin cave has i think more then one spawn point where goblins patrol right close by AND will kill you if you don't move quickly out of there. )
or other minor things.

[marsh jungle]

I would be very happy if for early access they severely nerfed exp and made lvl 20 a bit more of grind

[proper spruce]

@ sdf or any other dev/admin: The rules forbid me to ping you, but perhaps you're reading: Can you comment on whether the loot drop rates in this playtest will reflect the droprates during release?
I have been reading that they are artificially inflated, but have never actually seen this stated.

[mystic yarrow]

i like how they make cleric fine to play as solo as with team cause you can bonk ppls have some offensive things and you can play typically support :DD i love when games doesnt do the support just a useless doll who only must heal you

[calm mirage]

and give another perk or reward for reaching lvl 20 right? cause atm reaching lvl 20 didn't seem to matter, only lvl 15

[limpid dragon]

If you thought juggernaut cleric was impossible to beat, it literally gets countered by barb every time you move like a snail as cleric

[novel void]

messed up my suggestion and now cant suggest anything for 6 hours nicew

[exotic wave]

Imo levelling is mostly to ease people into classes not as real progression. There shouldn't be a level cap tho since past lvl 15 levels do nothing. I'd love to see lvl 988 wizards flexing their playtime for example.

By ease people in I mean as to not overwhelm new players with options. Imagine being a random newb and being thrust into making a 4 passive build instead of just choosing 1 passive every 5 lvls every couple hours.

@mystic yarrow Yeah Cleric is my main actually. Pretty well represented from Dungeon and Dragons. Hell in Dun&Dra Clerics are actually DPS machines (especially Tempest Clerics).

@calm mirage I don't mind Rogue invis potting, frankly it's the only damn use for invis pots outside of meme strategies. Stacking 40 THP for approx 16~ seconds cumulatively is just a bit overtuned. Thankfully it's a lesser known strategy but as a Cleric main I've very much used it and wow its insane. Cleric is definitely a top 3 class and thankfully he has 0 ranged otherwise he'd be unparalleled 1st place.

[gaunt surge]

hello, I still see some people playing/streaming. did the test not end, is it still playable? if so, how?

[novel void]

they prolly waching clips cause all they have in life rn is dark and darker

[wary osprey]

by the same volition, there should maybe be a matchmaking system that stops low level players spawning in with people xyz levels higher than them?

[limpid dragon]

I also mailed cleric this playtest, and It’s still my favorite class, but due to weapons available to the fighter, lack of mobility on cleric, and it says you have 25% magic resist by default, but I think it’s broken as it seems you take MORE magic damage than any other class. What is THP?

[queen marlin]

I think they were shutting down servers region by region.

[novel void]

and they chose to shut down the US while eryone sleep?

[oak raptor]

why did they shut down the game?

[summer lance]

it was a playtest #📢announcements

[limpid dragon]

I also found more success with my brewmaster smite build than with judgement, but judgement is a fantastic piece of utility

[novel void]

it a playtest they makin no moner cant keep them up forevr

[calm mirage]

Cerlic has a few range options, though i guess they arn't Fully ranged.
holy light can do range damage to undead, and with most mobs being undead it does good damage.
and Judgement ability, ive been killed by that so many times and it also works on flying enemys.

BTW can we all agree that crouching up and down with a torch out is a friendly move/action? Ive done it and notice so many others doing it too. For real so many solo games have gone alright cause, me and the barb or fighter did the torch squat and just chilled or went seprate ways

[split monolith]

Bind Judgement divine strike BONK

[wary osprey]

...doesnt matter how friendly you are, - 90% of players i met wanted to kill you even if you obviopusly had no loot and were shouting down the mic that you were safe

[novel void]

that was 100 percent me

[split monolith]

try goblin caves next time

[graceful sail]

hi how can i get ea?

[summer lance]

#📢announcements

[limpid dragon]

Always a good time, though if you are looking for the best time, I reccommend quarterstaff beer smite, you won’t regret any fights against any barbs

[wary osprey]

i tried goblin caves, players are the same in both maps - there were a handful of ocassions when i met a randomer and we worked together, those were the best interactions i had in the test

[novel void]

that where i did it. you do get free campfires tho from hunters so not nothing.

[distant grove]

is the staff intentionally doo doo

[split monolith]

il try it next time

[exotic wave]

THP = temporary hit points. Cleric can stack Protection spell (20 physical hp, 20 sec duration) and Protection potion (20 physical hp, 30 sec duration) for a +40 buff. Stacking on top of your 97 hp that's 137 hp, but with physical damage resistance from armor often reaching 45% on good gear for Cleric, you could calculate 137x1.45=198.6!! definitely messed the math up!! effective hitpoints, or more with stat buffs from Bless and gear.

@calm mirage yes realistically Judgment is your only "Ranged" option although it's just a 35 damage spear stab range slap. It's very good and very much the PVP meta imo.

[limpid dragon]

Fun fact I bet you didn’t know that judgement smite and divine strike are all affected by magic damage 🙂

[woeful condor]

when the next test release date ?

[split monolith]

Curb your magical power for more dmg

[summer lance]

#📢announcements

[exotic wave]

Nothing is stopping you from popping Divine Strike alongside this.

[split monolith]

I was talking about increasing the dmg of judgement

[limpid dragon]

Judgement by default to the training dummy always hit 51 for me, I think it also scaled with will

[oak raptor]

when are they gonna open the game again?

[novel void]

are you like a bot made to direct people to the announcement tab or sum?

[summer lance]

#📢announcements

[exotic wave]

I did? Divine Strike adds physical damage to your weapon however so your weapon doesn't do magical from it. The active skill that adds +10 magic damage for 7 seconds is affected by magic resistances tho.

I also kinda hate that ability. Judgment is 35+ damage, outside bonking utility, shuts down Rogues and can be used to door camp. The other option adds a piddly +10 for only 7 seconds, unlikely you will get 3.5 swings worth of damage from it.

[limpid dragon]

I think you needed to look a bit closer at divine strike+smite xD you missed out on triple digit numbers to the head my friend

[novel void]

how is your tag 0001 wtf

[split monolith]

edit for personal reasons tbh 😄 dont nerf judgement lol

[summer lance]

discord nitro

[exotic wave]

Discord Nitro

@limpid dragon I did not? Why are you putting words in my mouth. Cleric does hilarious amounts of damage often out damaging Fighter with same weapons.

[limpid dragon]

Dude I’m not trying to accuse you of anything I just run a different build is all

[novel void]

you are a mystery to me you got nitro but have the lil discord guy as your pic? Thats crazy.

[exotic wave]

I'm pretty sure we run the exact same build, I just prefer Judgement because it's a fantastic opener, shuts down Rogues and let's you doorcamp like a Rust naked with a waterpipe shotgun

[fringe needle]

when are we going to be able to play?

[split monolith]

when the servers are back online 🙂

[mellow crater]

Will this game have occasional wipes like EFT ?

[limpid dragon]

Yeah it’s almost irreplaceable. For me it was the ability to two shot barbarians through their 40 THP with my divine strike smite beer quarterstaff combo, it felt so damn good

[sour bolt]

I wish theyd release the game and like just update the game as it went on T_T

[novel void]

they gotta drip feed us so we dont loose the hype

[civic crane]

Anyone know when the next play test will be? This was my first play test discovering the game and I’m pissed I only got 10 days with it 😭

[calm mirage]

THIS
i think people arn't looking into this close enough.

queing into a solo game and working with a random player or two feels like the BEST thing, cause it shows that deep down, a LOT of people still want to be friendly, or work together even if the game says no.

BUT because of very limited portals and the secret exit in goblin cave only does for one person, the game PUSHES people to be hostle to others.
a lot of people don't want to kill other players, but many know they HAVE too if they want a chance to escape with their loot

[dusty raven]

Can a Rangers footstep tracking perk track stealthing rogue's?

[sour bolt]

im worried the game will lose hype before it comes out

[novel void]

@summer lance he knows the answer to all your questions

[proper spruce]

bump
Am I allowed to bump? Is there a better avenue for dev questions?

[mellow crater]

Will this game have occasional wipes like EFT ?

[sterile bane]

is thre a reason as to why there are no group blue portals and players are sometimes forced to leave their team behind ?

[limpid dragon]

Unfortunately though I started playing fighter the last day of the test and it shone on me that fighter is probably the highest skill gap class in the game due to the amount of equipment you can utilize, and also the numbers are freakin insane. But cleric is always my main if I’m not solo from now on

[exotic wave]

One time we had a squad of 3 Clerics all running Judgement. We had 1 of us lure a squad to us, close door behind and all crouch behind door and wait while spamming our Judgment hotkey. Barbarian bashed the door down and got instantly triple Judgmented, probably wasn't full health because dude practically exploded.

I don't really like beer Cleric mostly because there's so many amazing Cleric passives and beer buff doesn't actually last the 14 seconds, it's more like 7 which coupled with animation time is more like 5. Still enough for 2 bonks but with me already 3-4 buffing before fights I don't wanna add even more prebuffs to the list LOL.

[novel void]

will this game have occasional wipes like EFT?

[steel pivot]

Why not just keep the game up?

[north crest]

Afcourse there wouldnt be point of this game

[steel pivot]

Really what harm would it do to keep the game…? Charge for early access even they make good money

[novel void]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-gif-24301301 clcick it u wont

[sand pendant]

When is the game actually gonna come out as a open beta and not close down for updates ?

[calm mirage]

BTW what does everyone think of an elite mode on EVERY map? Solo and team maps. Goblin cave but elite mode for 50 gold?
Etc

[craggy badge]

every play test has extreme hype because its not available 24/7 , from a marketing standpoint it makes sense

[exotic wave]

Hilariously I think Cleric is better in pure melee than Fighter as Cleric can stack far more damage and defensive buffs on themselves while using Flanged Mace and Maul, two of the highest sustained and nova DPS options for both Cler/Fighter.

Cleric ofc has a massive achilles heel of absolutely no PVP ranged. 4.5m Judgement is barely more than a Spear stab, meanwhile Fighter has default access to crossbow which is insanely strong, francisca axes which are great chasing tools and with Weapon Master can use longbows which at high tiers are pretty much rail guns.

[thick dust]

They don't have the money and it would slow down development, doing play tests let's them

A) build a loyal fanbase at launch
B) cut down on costs by not paying for servers
C) take their time to properly look at the data they collect and determine how to best develop the game
D) not be under constant pressure to fix bugs and focus more on key game mechanics

[exotic wave]

We've got more maps slated for future release and very likely will have more unique solos and trio maps, maybe even duos or quad maps. I believe the next map being added will actually be a somewhat outdoorsy woodland map.

[wary osprey]

if people worked together until they were forced to decide over a portal that would be understandable, but killing me off the moment you see me in the first minute of the game?

[pale lichen]

Is there an email or discord contact for the Dark and Darker marketing/PR team?

[calm mirage]

That sounds amazing, Also a woodland map would 100% make adding a druid even more vibe friendly with the game.

This game is the D&D game wizards of the coasts WISHED they could make, cause this shit is amazing for gameplay and feel, and its not even released yet.

Also @wary osprey yea that is the just of it. To be honest ive even worked with someone who had less gear, and gave them my portal. i died that game but, i don't care. i was friendly. We had fun, and i hope that they pass on the act to someone else one day.

EVERYONE, remember, we all want to win, we all want the loot. But remember, we are the Divers of the Dark, and even we need to show a bit of light every once in a while.

[proper spruce]

@ Ironmace members: The rules forbid me to ping you, but perhaps you're reading. I would like to clarify some community rumors if possible.
Is it correct that the loot drop rates in this playtest were inflated compared to the release droprates, for testing purposes?
Is it planned that players who descend will be matched with a new group of players, or will you continue the system of only grouping players from the same instance/map that all descended?
Is it correct that the current floor 1 of the Forbidden Castle will become floor 2, with a new floor 1 being added?

[exotic wave]

As sweet as that would be, this playtest is mainly for the developers to garner data and player feedback morso than hype. D&Darker is still very early in development and you can expect massive parts of the game to change by the next open/closed test, let alone the games actual release. The devs need to bring the game down because they're primarily focused on active development, if they kept it up they'd need to relegate massive resources to maintenence both from the programming side and the server costs side. Considering the game will be pay to play on release, keeping it free would be very uneconomical for them; and personally I'd hate to see this game go F2P as it'd increase cheaters and put a ton of predatory microtransactions in it unnecessarily.

[exotic wave]

I've heard the next class will be Bard, which I'm very curious about as TTRPG Bards have many wildly different takes. Would love to see them do a 5e style Bard that is basically Wizard x Ranger (basically how it feels in Dungeon & Dragons 5th edition, Bards are flexible spell casters but far more capable of physical combat, in 5e they're hilariously enough the best archers in the game bar none after lvl 15)

[calm mirage]

BTW, how does that sound to everyone

Divers of the Dark

would be a good title for players of Dark and Darker.

[limpid dragon]

Doesn’t sound good unless it was a dwarf saying it. Dwarves? Anyone?

[sharp mountain]

I am so excited for the new classes. Has anyone heard anything about if/when the devs will talk more about the upcoming classes?

[dusky folio]

Rat might be a more accurate title

[calm mirage]

To be honest, other dnd races WOULD be kinda cool, they already allowed elves and skeletons. Having half-orcs, half elves, and other races would be kinda cool. Though i bet short races might be a bit op in pvp sadly, or maybe even too easy to head shot XD

@dusky folio Rats might be a good title to some, there are plenty of videos of players being little rats and screwing people over in the most ugly and vermin like ways.
But there are some, who shine the torch light of friendship

[sullen silo]

Why can’t the game be full released now, I know people will pay for it including myself.

2 mil people downloaded the game and we had 100k active players daily, the game was at the top of steam charts. Why not release it now?

[stable moth]

I guess it allows the dev to work at a good rythmn without risking people gettint bored before the game even touch the 1.0

[calm mirage]

other people already explained it friend, the game is like, very early alpha still. BUT at least it shows that when it does come out, this game is gonna be banger

[limpid dragon]

The developers want to introduce mechanics to the people who are getting tired of the same exact gameplay loop so you continue to play the game another 10 days after you buy it

[fossil meteor]

agreed, $5 beta to free-play between the updates would be sick, while still giving player/developer their desired outcome

[sullen silo]

Why not do a fund raiser to continue the play test

[silver stream]

i would pay for this

[calm mirage]

Dam i would agree to that, this game is one of the best dungeon crawlers ive played ever, and i didn't even get all my characters to lvl 20 yet.

[sullen silo]

People would pay

[fossil meteor]

yea, all up to the devs tho, they have a plan that they wanna see through i would assume. best to wait for their go-ahead, make sure the game is all tidy before a major release.

[slim crest]

Does anyone know when the next playtest will be?

[calm mirage]

game litterly just ended playtest today man, you WILL have to wait most likely a month or two

[sullen silo]

I’ve played so many hours, met so many fun people, and everyone says after the play test is over that a visit to the rehab is necessary

[silver stream]

i mean when legit everyone i played with wants to play more and would PAY to do so, i dont see why devs dont make it so you can pay to play between downtime

[slim crest]

I was just wondering if its scheduled because I couldnt find anyhting

[silver stream]

we just dont know

[calm mirage]

its not atm cause i bet the dev's themselves don't know yet. they gotta sit on the info they got and use it, or add more things that would be to jaring to do a hot fix for

[inland pewter]

Hey I have a question where you got dark and darker because I see people still have it and I can't fire it up anymore

[sullen silo]

You can’t play it anymore

[inland pewter]

That's why I see dark and darker people streaming normally

[sullen silo]

People are playing a pre recording on twitch

[unkempt jasper]

is adventure currency and skins lost in the wipe

[inland pewter]

AND it's somehow possible to fire it up like them?

[sullen silo]

Yes, you start fresh next play test like day one 🫡

[silver stream]

theyre not playing, they are replaying a recording

[inland pewter]

ohh okay thanks for info

[sullen silo]

CAN WE ALL PROTEST #RELEASE THE GAME @everyone

[burnt badger]

is this a wipe ?

[pure bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/bhibatsam-acharya-no-no-ram-charan-neelambari-gif-25332825

[inland pewter]

AND are keys given to streamers or not?

[calm mirage]

Forcing a super early release might harm the game more then help it, BUT at the same time i know many people would pay to play more, the game is just too good to ignore.

[sterile bane]

Can someone take away the everyone tag option from these idiots who think they know more than the devs if the game is ready for a continunation or release please

[sullen silo]

Do you have any idea how long it’s been since I’ve enjoyed a good game? Idc that’s is pre release. It felt polished, I know it had to issues, and every time I extracted and lost all my stuff do to a glitch I was fine with it.

[calm mirage]

Hey friend, i feel the same way.
i want this game out like NOW, but i have like, no idea what they need to do for a better release or even to release another playtst.
So unless they want to start charging money right now and just hope it works out, i guess we gonna have to wait a little longer while we hold our torches out, in the darkness waiting for the light.

[uncut remnant]

Let the devs do what they plan at their own pace. If you end up losing interest because "it's taking too long", then welp. It happens. Games lose people. I'm just willing to trust the dev process, especially with all these rushed games these days. It's a very difficult balance between making sure things are just right, getting the funding, and player interest.
I wish it was just as simple as, hey let's push this update and release now.

[native phoenix]

What are y’all playing in the meantime?

[steel pivot]

Albion

[harsh cove]

I told myself I will never pre order a game again as it always flops (every COD in the last 5 years being pre ordered), but this game…. Let me pre order it 6x times to help y’all out financially👏

[shell marten]

playing bannerlord to improve my high BARB skills

[rough kelp]

DDO

[sullen silo]

It’s not like the game hasn’t proven itself, the devs themselves said 2mil people signed up, 100k active players at all times. This game outperformed 90% of all current steam games. We all experienced our crashes, getting stuck, people cheesing enemies. But at the end we all still kept playing, it’s not like they can address all the issues throughout time with hot fixes. I would pay for this game if it was subscription based.

[valid sedge]

Question: can you guys release this game tomorrow.

Answer: Yes, we will.

Statement: thank you.

[tough folio]

impatient children...

[sullen silo]

Impatient? No rehab

[whole nymph]

Guys don’t you know if they are planning another play test or they will just go for early access?

[sullen silo]

Another play test will be announced in the coming future

[sterile bane]

people played so much now because there was a sense of urgency, a limited time to play, and if it is releasesd in this state, the player retention will be huge over time due to all the bs things that need to be fixed to not make people unhappy. the game is in very early stages so far and needs way more work before a proper release.

[sullen silo]

I played because I enjoyed the game idk about you

[sterile bane]

everyone plays games because they enjoy them

[sullen silo]

I didn’t get on every day because the play test was coming to an end, I got on everyday because I was hooked.

[umbral stratus]

any clue on next playtest or release dates?

[sterile bane]

just because I enjoyt the game doesnt mean its in a good state

[noble palm]

i would like that lol

[twilit thorn]

I’ll take a bonus skin for it too (:

[noble palm]

if I had bought the game and I crashed after extracting full loot i would be pissed off, the glitches are fine because it's an alpha, but they are not fine

[umbral zealot]

game fun excited to see what they change

[fathom haven]

Do mummy spiders give experience? Can you easily farm experience by killing spiders the whole run?

[earnest meadow]

Hi all. I have an optimization question. My game runs stably on the RTX 2060 Super, everything is fine, but the temperature of the video card is constantly at 71 degrees. My friend's gtx 960 video card also works stably, everything is fine and its temperature also keeps at ~ 70 degrees. Why does the game work at such temperatures with different video cards? The settings are the same. I mean shouldn't my graphics card run at a cooler temperature?

[burnt badger]

Is there a way to have access to all class channels but only show my actual main class as the icon? Currently it shows fighter if you select them all.

[undone surge]

I dont know if its okay to ask here, but i really liked this game and cant wsait for next beta. But until that time does anyone no any simular rpg games?

[tribal tendon]

Nope, that's why this was so good.

[marsh basalt]

I don’t think you can, as with discord roles they need to be set in a specific order and I’m guessing Fighter is at the top of them so it will always show first if you have it

[cold topaz]

Does the game cost money and if so how much does it cost

[storm timber]

Is there any info on when developers will post data for the latest playtest? I mean stuff like the one already posted in development channel with class distribution etc?

[burnt badger]

Yeah i figured, would be cool to have roles for channel access and then an additional role for what your main is. The Lost Ark community discord does something like that

[marsh basalt]

It will more than likely cost $30 USD but it is not confirmed.

[cold topaz]

Can I play the demo right now?

[burnt badger]

No the demo ended this morning/last night.

[marsh basalt]

No, you’ll just have to be patient

[sacred bluff]

is there already a date for the release or the next playtest ?

[summer lance]

#📢announcements

[cold topaz]

there is a guy in twitch playing

[marsh basalt]

Doubt it, probably prerecorded or clips

[cold topaz]

https://www.twitch.tv/sfzxx?tt_medium=mobile_web_share&tt_content=channel

[tribal tendon]

Says shameless rerun in the title

[cold topaz]

Oh sorry

[civic geyser]

Beta ended ? or i can buy game somehow and keep playing beta ?

[stable light]

playtest is over

[magic nova]

playtest ended you need to wait before they start again @civic geyser

[rich frigate]

How does true damage work? Does it simply add more damage which bypass all resistances? Or does it convert a certain number of damage into true damage?

Bonus: does it get affected by physical power?

[opal oar]

is there any benefit from using a spellbook over a magical staff as cleric, other than slightly less move speed penalty and the book not potentially hitting the wall while casting? is one better than better than the other in different circumstances?

[rich frigate]

You are correct. Magical staff is better than a book if you need to fight, book is better when you want to be mobile & agile. Usually people just switch to book to cast and then back to weapons

[opal oar]

thanks, that's what i figured. I don't see any reason to ever play with a magical staff then as it doesn't seem to offer any real benefit other than some minor weapon swapping delay if you need to get a hit in fast

[solid epoch]

Did anyone else start noticing the audio being garbage yesterday? Audio was great up until mid-day. During a match I had some nasty mic-feedback sound and complete silence. Thought my headset/audio drivers took a shit, but then my buddy started talking on discord--It was the game, complete silence until I extracted. But from then on, everything sounded wrong. Swinging axes sounded tinny and painfully loud, depending on location. Figuring out footsteps direction and distance was 50/50 depending on which room you were in.

Windows update happened the night before, but I did several matches before things got frustratingly bad (audiowise), like a switch got flipped.

[calm mirage]

Ok i got a question for everyone.

Ive been reading suggestions a lot and ive seen LOTS of them that say they want some sort of PvE mode, ether seprate or together, doesn't matter, People seem to want it.

BUT every one of them is downvoted more then upvoted.
Why?

PvE mode seprate from the pvp mode would help so many people, AND help the devs make more money if more people who shun away from the pvp aspect get to play the pve mode instead.

So got to ask, Why do so many people dislike having a pve mode in the game? IF done right, it would have no impact on the pvp side of the game, unless its just people who want to hunt noobs who don't want any sort of pve mode so they can hunt without issue.

[sick sand]

pve is too easy for it to be the only thing you have to be concerned about

[thick elk]

If they made pve mode, they have to make it for pve mode only. That Way u cant farm good gear in pve and join pvp with it.

[solid epoch]

I think there is potential for more than what this game has currently. I feel like a PvE mode (aka raid mode) would be cool, but there HAS to be a cost, since PvE is easy compared to a geared barb and his cleric teammates. 500g buy in from everyone (plus a daily or weekly limit to runs) and I'd be sold, but there has to be a gear quality cap at blue, but can go up to purple if you go red portal. And easiest ai is red. Kinda like highroller.

[zinc geyser]

simple answer is to then make the pve harder in the pve mode, right?

[thick elk]

Could be some kind of fun mode Where everything get a High buff with hp, dmg and movement speed

[tropic galleon]

this game's whole rythm based on pvpve it would be like playing undertale with trainers

[sick sand]

you can only make it so hard but people will always find a way to outsmart it. Also if people get gear they can then use in pvp it would not be fair

[calm mirage]

Thats the point, keep it seprate, have the character you create ONLY do pve mode if you made it that way from the start. Makes sure that people don't farm pve maps and then go on pvp maps with the same character.

EVERYONE should read that part too, seprate from pvp mode, aka the pve character, cannot go into pvp maps/mode, allowing people to enjoy the maps, learn the curve, etc, but they gotta use a pvp character to actually go into them.

[tropic galleon]

bruh just play a another pve coop dungeon crawler

[eager heart]

If you want PVE go download a PVE game. Maybe they will add a offline mode like tarkov later on.

[sick sand]

I suppose it wouldn't be a bad thing but I would rather have them focus on other aspects. Not bad if they have extra time free time

[zinc geyser]

The "problem" of using pve gear in pvp is that there wasn't risk for their gear, right? However a pve only mode is arguing that pvp sweatlords running in killing noobs is a detriment to playerbase, and makes it hard for newer players to get gear to properly play against kitted folk

[calm mirage]

name one other dungeon crawler game that is first person, random loot, can play solo or with up to 3 friends, and is dnd based.

[thick elk]

Like thats not The point. People enjoy this game. Saying People Van play something els is just a meh answer

[sick sand]

If they add it they add it if not I couldn't care less ✌️

[thick elk]

Im not gonna play a pve mode but i dont rly care if its there. Might give The pvp mode more players in The Long run

[snow shadow]

Does anyone know of a decent way to deal with skeleton archers(particularly elites) as rogue? I spent the last few days of the test trying to manage pve with the character and aside from throwing knives it seems you don't have a way to kill the bastards without risking getting hit for 30% of your hp.

[cold sand]

The devs' vision is to make a pvpve game and that's all there is to it. Diverting resources to make a pve only mode isn't going to benefit the core playerbase, so why do it? Arguably if it was pve it would get stale after a few runs, but I digress

[tacit girder]

Is the game available atm and if not when would it be?

[zinc geyser]

adding on to this, wouldnt pve folks (who aren't trained pvp people usually) be risking their good gear like the rest of the pvp people if they brought it in?

[gentle rain]

side step the arrows, they are programmed to lead the shot so if you switch your direction of movement when they fire you'll dodge more times than not

[fast rose]

Is it intended that the ghost king can scream multiple times in a row? I get that its supposed to be unavoidable damage to keep you out of his pools and make sure you have your hp topped off and stuff (similar to the lich). But we had him scream like 2-3 times in a row which just led to him building up stacks on us and our cleric couldnt heal that quickly enough.

[calm mirage]

THIS

i didn't ask for a pve mode cause i wanna play another game, Me and many others are asking for pve cause we LOVE this game, but a lot of random people can sour the experience, and lets be honest, losing 3-4 games in a row cause of players can feel pretty bad.

losing is fine, but when you get one shot from fully geared rando's or got sniped by someone at the other side of the room feels bad.

BUT no other game plays like this game with its theme, there are no other games like this game

[long creek]

saying dark and darker needs pve is like saying "my car is cool but it cant cook eggs so lets install an egg cooker" thats not the point of the game so dont change it.

[snow shadow]

Sure, that's what I've been doing. You still get hit like 20% of the time if you want to clear them anywhere within 15 seconds, especially the elites that can triple shot. Every other class has a more consistent and faster way to deal with them.

[tacit girder]

please my brain is small someone help me

[fast rose]

I would love parts of the game to be pve only. Similar to what tarkov is introducting with the lighthouse quest

[round swift]

Theres Escape from tarkov simlar to this

[zinc geyser]

isnt the point of playtesting to find out what people like/dislike about the game? to generate data about what people are doing with the game and to get feedback from the community?

[thick elk]

Would it change The game for u?

[fathom crow]

Playtest is over, next one/EA release will be announced at some point

[gentle rain]

not available atm but the devs mentioned another playtest, no determined date afaik tho

[cold sand]

Going by their previous playtest dates, I'd estimate late march/early april

[long creek]

being able to gear up and level up with no risk , in my opinion, defeats the whole purpose of the game.

[zinc geyser]

its not like people never die to pve

[calm mirage]

thats not a dnd fantasy game friend.
it has simalir aspects, but it doesn't have magical creatures, doesn't have swords and skeletons. doesn't have dnd feel

[pallid wadi]

This game needs skin crates so we can gamble for cosmetics W / L

[thick elk]

But does it change The game for u? Like u dont have to play a fun mode. Others might like it and use it to get better that The pve stuff. In The Long run, it Can give more players to The pvp game version and for me would that be Awesome!

[sterile bane]

reactions need to be banned for some people i see

[pallid wadi]

The core of every successful economy is gambling

[thick elk]

Ofc, they should not focus on The pve version before The pvp game is completed👍🏻

[gentle rain]

the big hassle of having two separate game modes is splitting up the work to maintain both

[wispy onyx]

when a dev was interviewed and asked if we would ever see the sky it was basically a no. He didn't rule it out but he definitely made it seem like it wasn't in the plans at all for now

[zinc geyser]

goblin caves "secret" exit would like a word with you

[calm mirage]

Again this man seems to very much understand the feel.

PvE can be seprate from the pvp game mode, they don't have to mix. Allows people to have a pvp character(s) and if they lost a few times, they can relax with a pve mode and get the feel back up to go again on pvp mode witha fresh mind.

[long creek]

i understand where youre coming from but i also disagree with pve mode for the sake of asset and work allocation. i do believe it would change the game for me, the change would be in the gear that people are using after playing 15 games of pve then FINALLY trying pvp. I like that level ground that allows for skill be more of a determination of the outcome. feel free to correct me

[thick elk]

But for me, it should like a no-brainer for devs to use this mode for new players to get into The game. Like i remember The first playtest, i had s hard time to do The pve stuff they first days😅

[wispy onyx]

i've never taken the secret exit :C but I am just repeating what was said by the dev.

[copper zinc]

How does Will as in terms of magical power work for Cleric?

[zinc geyser]

its just a little joke, you can "see skybeams" from that exit kinda

[calm mirage]

couple of times it been stated, that pvp characters and pve characters would be seprate, aka a character that plays on pve will NEVER play on pvp mode, aka, no risk of gear farming, no risk of lvl grinding, no risk of anything but maybe Less noobs running around the dungeons being one shot or killed by blue/purple geared lvl 20 players

[long creek]

i wasnt aware of that, thank you

[red crown]

they'll probably add a tutorial for the new players, maybe a little guide on how to deal with every monster in that specific dungeon

[gentle rain]

if i recall the player guidebook mentioned a floor 1 that was in the works, i'd imagine that would be the closest thing to pve, where the loot is really bare bones and exp gains are tiny, which would decrease pvp incentives in that floor

[red crown]

but yeah, pve is a struggle at first, but imo it's part of the experience. At least for me, it was fun to figure out how to deal with the monsters and stuff

[round swift]

I would like for death beatles to be little weaker,2 got attached on me couldnt move at all and they got dmg and huge hp

[burnt badger]

Wait there’s going to be pve dedicated game modes or servers? You have any reference to where this was said? (Genuinely interested)

[lucid zinc]

What other classes can we expect to be in the game?

[gentle rain]

not sure if the devs mentioned anything, but i think a bard class would be hilarious

[copper zinc]

They mentioned Bard

[pale bobcat]

imagine a bard trying to kill a fighter with a lute

[red crown]

nah, but ppl are giving ideas on a separate PvE exclusive mode

[long creek]

when i think of bard i think of a buffer with a single hand weapon, kinda sounds similar to the current cleric minus the heals but im not sure please correct me

[thick elk]

U should not be able to use gear from pve in pvp mode

[calm mirage]

Mostly this is discussion friend

BUT people kept trying to say people would farm the pve mode and then go into pvp with high gear or something around those lines.

IF a pve mode is added, it would be as simple as just going. " yes, only 1-3 people on this map that are in a group."

or

players can't damage each other and can pass though each other. THIS could also still be easy to put in the game and not take away from develipment as some have stated a pve mode might do

[long creek]

i didnt know that at first but i can get along with that idea for sure. nanachi- i believe the first option would be most viable to avoid griefing

[burnt badger]

Ah ok I see. I don’t see anything wrong with dedicated PVE servers plenty of games have stuff like this. Ark and Conan I believe are already doing this

[calm mirage]

I think a lot of people here can agree that the dungeons in this game are great, the gear and loot is pretty neat, the mobs themselves can be pretty tuff, heck some people i bet have not even seen the main bosses on the second floor, let alone fought them.

PvE would be great to help people get used to the maps, the mobs, the gear, etc. PLUS be less stressful then pvp mode cause of the fact you don't have to worry about " if i open this door, will there be a ranger trap at my feet? or a rogue ready to stab me 3-4 times before i can react?"

[calm portal]

is fighter supposed to be all around good

[sterile bane]

Does anyone know similar games to this that are not shooters ?

[dawn wagon]

there are none./

[gentle rain]

i genuinely wouldn't be surprised if there was a d-and-d clone of some sort on roblox

[calm mirage]

And lets be honest, saying pve would be to easy is more of a self opinion since everyones skill level is different. Seen soo many solo games where 3-5 people die from mobs in the kill feed within the first minute or two of the game. Also the devs even said that their first game tested died from the first enemy they saw/fought.

so the game IS hard and a pve mode would still be HARD for some people.
But for better players, pvp would remain the king

[tame swan]

Deepwoken

[fleet gazelle]

i wouldnt even touch pve but i think if enough people wanted it, the best way to go about it would be to seperate the characters they use for pve and pvp. Meaning the gear they earn in pve is only usable on their pve character and vise versa.

[winged canopy]

Is alpha closed yet

[thick elk]

I Will for sure upvote it, if you Will make it clear for others what The plan for s pve mode should be. Good for new players to learn about key runs, boss runs etc

[long creek]

i agree, that seems to be the only way in my opinion

[gentle rain]

and just like that, a roblox game was mentioned

[thick elk]

Only in The Long run, pve players might give pvp a try and like that as much as I do and more players for a game is a good thing👌🏻

[long creek]

heres a crazy idea, make the pve mode the demo and make the pvp the whole game

[raw bay]

i like the idea of pve raids, my buddy was lvl 10 before he got his first extract just because of players killing for totems.

[thick elk]

Same! 100% if not it would kill pvp mode

[fleet gazelle]

fr

[calm mirage]

I agree man.

PvE and PVP have to stay seprate for the betterment of the game.

BUT

it could also lead to the dev's being able to reward pvp players MORE and not just subtract from the pve players.

Aka pvp players might get faster EXP, slightly better drops, more dungeon points for cosmetics faster, etc.
@raw bay and THIS is also why pve is needed. WAY to many people going many lvl's without a single extraction. Most likely because of lack of expierance with the game, higher geared other players, or just bad luck.

[dawn wagon]

this game doesnt have a player skill issue, it just doesnt feed the bad players mechanics to succeed when they shouldnt.

[burnt badger]

I believe new world does this rn when you enable pvp you get a exp boost

[fleet gazelle]

so a skill gap? like any other game

[raw bay]

straight up worst luck ever, every totem he saw had 3 ppl on it

[open cloak]

In the #d-and-d-suggestions channel does the green bar next to a suggestion mean it has been considered? Or is it just a sign of a lot of positive feedback?

[jade dust]

Very confused why they don't just continue to keep the game active rather than shutting it down after play tests. Everyone would rather play it how it is then wait months for fixes.

[gentle rain]

the majority of the community will return to playing it when it re-releases, but a lot more damage can come from leaving an unfinished game open for people to generate assumptions from

[thick elk]

True💪🏻 lets get a chance to preorder it and play The last test and People that dont wanna play Can play on The normal playtest

[raw bay]

server cost money to keep up, they should've just put a price tag on tho fr.

[jade dust]

That's true. I would just rather play it and not have to wait. I don't mind the bugs and would rather have an open game than no game. Plus Fortnite had a similar model and did great

[calm mirage]

hmm yea, like every other game.
and most every other game, if there is a skill gap, it normally adjusts.
overwatch keeps silver ranked players with silver ranked players and i bet over 100 other games most likely do something like that, so new people don't get instantly discuraged and leave the game when their first 3-5 games are nothing but getting owned by high level and high geared players.

BUT i also understand what you mean, but please consider that im not asking for the pvp to actually change, im not asking for the dev's to punish pvp or give easy wins to people with no skill.

im asking for a mode that people can enjoy a slightly more calmer time learning the game, gear, mechanics, etc that the game has to offer, and see what they need to learn/do to better themselves.

[tranquil dirge]

they just prob need to make it brackets for PVP level 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16-20. that way you dont get steamrolled by more experienced/geared players at that class

[raw bay]

thats a p good idea

[sterile bane]

it takes way too little time to level for this to be a need for implementation

[thick elk]

They could also add rank for The game but personal Im not in for that

[fleet gazelle]

i understand i just dont believe they should be awarded stuff pvp isnt. Such as certain gear after killing bosses, or so much xp for taking down bosses. Bc in pvp thats tuff to do and I dont want to have to go into pve for certain shit yk? other than that they should add it for exactly the reasons u stated

[tranquil dirge]

Doesn't necessarily have to be those little of brackets either can be 1-10, 11-20 it still would give newer players time to get used to their class and not get wrecked by a level 20 in full epic/blues

[calm mirage]

Thats not a bad idea.
but like mendoXen said, unless they slow down the leveling or add more levels, it might not be worth it in that way.
More like lvls 1-10 and 11-20 if they did anything like that

[red crown]

nah, i don't think that a ranking system would fit in this type of game

[fringe owl]

In the wizard trade, I saw a filter for magic wands.

Will they be primary or secondary?

[long creek]

level brackets instead of "skill" brackets are always my preferred way personally

[thick elk]

Same. Still a pve version would be good for new players to learn

[sterile bane]

people can learn without the pve version too

[red crown]

yeah, i agree

[tranquil dirge]

I mean some games have level brackets and others have ELO brackets based off of performance IE KDA/Winrate/Average Item Level of Gear Equipped. it doesn't have to get that complicated for this game. I just don't want to see new players get discouraged so early because this is a high skill cap to be successful in both PVP and PVE

[thick elk]

They Can for sure. Will just take a lot of time. If they cant take Down a single team in 10 runs, how would they learn to take Down a boss?

[fleet gazelle]

i dont want the game to get that overcomplicated lol

[calm mirage]

Davee you do know, we stated that pve mode would be Seprate from pvp mode right?
Like, a pve player could not come and play with the pvp people, aka their gear is pointless for pvp cause the pve character wouldn't be allowed in pvp.
It would also be save to bet that the pve people could only sell to other pve players, and vice versa.

And what reward are you talking about? I DID mention that adding pve mode would give the dev team a chance to REWARD pvp players more, aka maybe more maps, more better gear, etc that pve players would have to play a lot longer to get if ever.

[sterile bane]

its better for people to learn without pve version because this game is not about the pve. it would even hurt them more because they will get used to pve and will start panicking every time they encounter a player and dont know what to do when its not bots

[tranquil dirge]

exactly my point why it doesn't have to get that in depth just a level bracket 1-10,11-20 should suffice to not have high level(More perks,experience,possibly gear) steamroll level 1 players who come in with nothing lol

[gentle rain]

my biggest gripe with having a pve mode is that a lot of the urgency within the game as is lies within the pvp aspect, where people fight for portals and loot. a pve mode might be good for learning the map, enemies, etc but the way the game plays out will be entirely different

[burnt badger]

I just wanna mine without having to kill players to leave me be. Smh

[thick elk]

I do not agree. Tons of games start with pve mode. Lol, WoW, cards game etc

[long creek]

can we talk about the massive amount of ore required just for one piece of gear

[fleet gazelle]

totally agree

[raw bay]

pve mode could be minimal loot, then pvp is normal, then high-roller is baller loot, i think that would work well.

[strong bloom]

I just wana kill players trying to mine so I GET THAT Sweet sweet ore

[burnt badger]

You need 50 for the full set I was able to do it this play test. Last play test was double LOL

[near harness]

pve mode will just allow for bot gold farmers, no loot should be extracted but u should be able to practice it maybe but not a needed feature

[long creek]

thats insane, i didnt even realize. i mined about 20 ruby ore before i said this aint worth it lol

[burnt badger]

Oh sorry I meant 50ingot, which is what 250 ore?

[fleet gazelle]

i hope they dont change trading post its prob one of my fav aspects about the game

[tranquil dirge]

What about Duo games? We have solo and trio. Duos would be sick

[thick elk]

U shouldnt be able to use pve toons in pve at all.

[burnt badger]

Right so no one would really have an incentive to bot out pve

[raw bay]

a duo map would be cool

[near harness]

they will just trade the extracted loot at that point tho, unless pve toon cant trade

[vernal jungle]

It's nice but I think a filter for rolls/bonus stats would be huge benefit

[red crown]

maybe they could add a 'new-player dungeon', kinda like Dota 2 has the new-player mode. it's available for ur first couple of hours / matches, so u can get used to the game along with other new players for ur first runs. And this mode would become unavailable once u hit a certain level or escaped a number of times

[fleet gazelle]

they really shouldnt cater to the people that want pve like i said i wouldnt even touch it

[flat glen]

any similar game like dark and darker?

[thick elk]

No. U shouldnt be able to use pve in pvp. Its like two servers

[near harness]

seems kind of like a waste of time and money to do all that tho

[tranquil dirge]

i mean yea some games have a gamemode only available to new players 1-5 then afterwards they can do pvp to allow them to play against other new toons and get used to mechanics sounds like a good idea

[long creek]

there are players like dave and i that yearn for the balanced and fair pvp where your skill shines and your wins are massive, this is 100% absent in pve modes

[burnt badger]

I think the way new world does ur basically is what they’re going for enable pvp for boost disable for learning

[thick elk]

Just make it a Coop/solo mode? No trades etc

[serene crystal]

When does the demo end?

[long creek]

its over

[thick elk]

Maybe even make it so pve players Can host The game and use The server from own PC.

[raw bay]

i think the new player dungeon is the best fix for new players wanting pve, 10 games to learn the map and whatnot with minimal gear would help a lot of people that feel they need it.

[thick elk]

That Way devs dont have to use money on servers for pve? Like I dont Think pve mode would be huge for most players but I Can see it would help new players to learn The pve fights in a soft Way

[burnt badger]

Even an offline mode would help

[long creek]

i cant say with confidence but i believe that if there was ANY pricetag on the game then that would be more than enough to pay for extra servers

[thick elk]

Yep

[calm mirage]

And thats the point, a new player knows NONE of that aspect and will normally get their ass kicked pretty hard unless they get really lucky.

And @fleet gazelle i again agree with you, but to just say " i don't want pve mode cause i don't want to play it" or "It doesn't fit with the game" (( not your words but the vibe i get from it and a few others )) kinda lacks a full ground to stand on, since, well, the game isn't even fully out yet, its still in alpha. it COULD be part of the game just not put into it yet.

Anyway, gonna put my last words into this.
PVE SHOULD BE ADDED AND SEPRATE FROM PVP MODE IN ALMOST EVERY WAY.
Would be great for learning the game to a ceritan amount and at least teach the players how to deal with mobs and the map. The pvp mode shouldn't be affected as people will still act nuts for the portals or stairs. Nothing would really change, people will learn ergency with or withour pve mode, so that doesn't affect pvp really.
An easy pve mode could be added by simply not letting more then one group into a map, so no changes and no addintial charges/money from the dev's making new things for new maps/mobs that pvp wouldn't see.
PVE mode would also allow handiecap people/people with conditions to enjoy the game at their own speed as well.

DID I MISS ANYTHING? I DON'T WANT TO BE RUDE OR ANYTHING BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR AND INSURE I DIDN'T FORGET ANYTHING. AGAIN SORRY IF THIS COMES ACROSS AS RUDE/MEAN I JUST AM A SIMPLE MAN

[long creek]

i agree with you, im in the no pve boat. just felt like it needed to be said

[thick elk]

I rly hope. Love The game so much!

[raw bay]

i did, and you JUST showed up

[calm mirage]

never said i was no named guy.
and you just got here so ods are you wern't keeping up with the conversation.

[burnt badger]

It’s just discussion all opinions mang. No need to come in all negative. We chillin

[raw bay]

just chatting abt the game bro, spitballing ideas. you dont have to be here if ur not ok with it.

[long creek]

go back to deepwoken

so anyway we were all talking about how the heavier the boots you have the faster you run right?

[tame swan]

Wut

[burnt badger]

Hopefully they cut mining in half again : )

[long creek]

the smallest and nimblest of shoes seemed to always have the lowest speed boosts, but maybe im just rambling at this point

[calm mirage]

I agree that the boots are a bit funny, seen so many people go naked at low lvls cause army doesn't do much at low tier grade and tend to slow you down a lot.

lots of people saying they get one shot with full plate white gear by some ranger with a crossbow or two tapped by barb who has no shirt

[burnt badger]

I was surprised to see the halbeard so cheap on the trade market

[fleet gazelle]

i get why people would want the filtering of traded items to be more precise but i like that its not its more like first come first served idk, I enjoy waiting any seeing something that catches my eye w the stats but thats just me

[raw bay]

i just like the steppy noises

[long creek]

i actually like the idea of the barbs passive with no torso equipped. looking at knights though... at least in chivalry... the knights take the most arrow damage of any class from the crossbow becuase of its stopping power and whatnot. as always feel free to correct me

[fleet gazelle]

props for accuracy

i gotta get back to work nice chattin w yall hope to see yall in game eventually

[calm mirage]

oh how about this chat.
Should some classes get more access to weapons?
Currently only the fighter gains access to most weapons but thats IF he equips one of the 8 perks.

[earnest frost]

howdy, rq is the game done for awhile or is there a patch being applied to the game

[hexed marsh]

Early access demo is over

[gentle rain]

i think the class weapon selection is fine as is, easy enough to try out different weapons already

[thick wing]

Would be nice to see some general perks that everyone has the choice between. To be hoenst, I'd like to see every character get the use of simple weapons and leave the more niche ones locked to class. Spear/Dagger/Quarterstaff/a type of crossbow/Buckler

[earnest frost]

ok

[hexed marsh]

Sorry bud i wish i could play too

[frail bone]

I think it could make sense for other classes to be able to use weapons outside of their class but give a % penalty in weapon stats

[gentle rain]

honestly i'd like a practice tool for the different weapons

[wanton mural]

Imo a PVE mode would compromise the purity of the game and give players too much of a safety net by being able to practice and understand the map.

Its much more interesting and it maintains gaming integrity that everyone learns the map by risking their lives. A PVE mode has no risk associated with it and eliminates that purity the game needs.

[thick wing]

Could always do arena duels or sparring to help people get more practice without the constant fear of losing gear

[hexed marsh]

What do you all think about nerfing the barb? Or do we need to nerf the cleric buffs?

[calm mirage]

Now thats a good idea, would allow Rangers who start with no melee weapons to at least arm themselves till they get a weapon for themselves.

Heck even a wizard staff is still a blunt stick for non casters.
Plus it would allow Meme builds for streamers and challange gamers who wanna do like " Barbarian with rogue knife only"

@wanton mural kinda moved onto new things friend, the pve and pvp talk just goes in circles atm, best to leave it to the dev team and talk about other things

[thorn bridge]

barb gets owned super easy as soon as they have no backup. theres no point

[fair dirge]

When will be the next playtest?

[hexed marsh]

So the issue is the cleric buffs then? Ive seen a few things about a cleric with full buffs just wiping teams

[wanton mural]

The only thing that should exist is a lobby where you can freely test damage on dummies. Anything more than that is too handholdy

[gentle rain]

what @thorn bridge said, on top of that, there are slows available for multiple classes that directly counter cleric-bard squads

[thick wing]

Any Slow on a barb just wrecks them, not sure I'd go for a nerf when they are easily countered. Rogue needs a buff, is just silly when they get the drop on me and I just turn and look at them hard and they die on my fighter/cleric/barb with basic gear.
I barely played rogue- I just know they are almost always easily discounted in group melee's/situations

[thorn bridge]

That is a skill issue. If 3 people cannot kill one, that is simply it. Cleric can't cast buffs with a sword in their face. Back up and regroup. Buffs don't last forever. Or harass with ranged and then enter with melee. Do you have to be taught how to engage a target

[thorn bridge]

in the words of the dalai lama (abridged)
"If your enemy is casting spells on themselves with a cleric, it would be wise of you to have a cleric of your own"
It comes down to luck anyway

[hexed marsh]

Okay do you think there was anything that needs to be nerfed then? Also Lamo

[gentle rain]

hard to say when we only have half of the available class features within the game - don't forget that there was an entire skill tree that wasn't available this past playtest

[thick wing]

I don't imagine they should nerf or buff anything until they get the skills in since it will change the dynamic alot? I'd think anyways.

[hexed marsh]

Very true very true

[calm mirage]

gotta admit you are pretty spot on.
if you are fighting a cleric with buffs, its best to back off or hit from range if you can.
sometimes you can just get out skilled or unlucky and that just happens. it Sucks when it does, but it happens.

[gentle rain]

^^ always remember that clerics have buffs and heals, but they can't regenerate usages without a campfire

[thorn bridge]

Not really. Nerfing stuff makes games less fun in the long run, where all classes become samey. Buff everything else, if one class is OP (to a certain degree of ridiculousness). Each class is it's own niche which is what zoomer brains do not understand. It is literally dungeons & dragons in the classic sense. The way the game works is this.

1. Player Skill
2. Enemy Number
3. Resources drained
4. Gear level
5. Class counter picks
   And there is always the element of luck, getting the drop on you, etc.

I will say 90% of the time I get into a fight, and hitting the enemy once is enough to demoralize them into letting themselves die, because they freak out and give up essentially
I wiped a three man team because my friend was shooting magic missiles at the ceiling, and they got scared (they had a barb cleric wizard)

[hexed marsh]

Ya i feel that and you are correct in what you are saying but it still feels unfair that barbs can 1 shot most classes with a felling axe and a headshot.

Maybe i just need more practice at dodgeing axes

[thorn bridge]

Yes. They have a very up down pattern, so strafing is literally insane in the game, and a lot of people absolutely do not do so. It is the different between being horribly maimed, and living to fight another day. Just stand in front of a goblin and swing at him as a barb and see how quick you die, why would you do the same with a player?

[fierce sage]

The "nerfs are bad buffs are good" take needs to be ripped out of the gaming community, I hate how common it has become. This is a PvPvE game, you physically cannot balance it strictly through buffs without ending up with absurd power creep. Nerfs and buffs both have their place, and each one should be assessed on its own merits rather than a general philosophy of "nerfs bad buffs good".

@thorn bridge I read every word

[thorn bridge]

T. didn't read what I said.

[thick elk]

If u die in pve mode, u loose The gear The same Way as u do in pvp mode.

[fierce sage]

Good players would never die in the pve mode

[wanton mural]

No one decent at the game would die. Ever

[thorny roost]

Who is the server provider for the games servers?

[calm mirage]

Don't bother friend, not sure they really care or read what we stated before.
We already mentioned that PvE could be a whole other beast but some people just do not care. They want that " pure pvp only " vibe, kinda like some dark soul players would cringe at playing with a friend or playing offline mode.

its not worth the typing at this point.

[thick elk]

Again, it to learn The game for new players and should be a fun mode for new players to get into The pvp mode a better Way 🙂

[charred plinth]

lets not be too strict with that

[hidden lily]

A Solo High Roller Doungen maybe?

And switch the Normal 3 Squad doungen to 4 Squad Doungen and add a Dou Doungen to.

[hushed solstice]

Soloq maybe should be an option, it's hard to solo wizard vs each 3 people team

[gentle rain]

it is an option, the goblin dungeon was solos only

[fierce sage]

Solo queue already exists

[karmic hull]

when i play now ?

[wanton mural]

unless they completely redesign the AI and increase ai spawn rates an immense amount it'd never be a challenge. and let's say it was. Is there a reward for it? If you lose your gear on death and don't gain anything why do it at all? And if you do gain gear then why would players ever play PVP to risk losing their gear?

[bronze sun]

i will ask something nobody asked ever estimate release day?

[hushed solstice]

I mean everymap not just goblin caves but you right

[thorn bridge]

for the longevity of the game, you do not want to have too many "Extra" types of lobbies, because it dilutes the fanbase, and really does split them up in what they want. I think the simplicity of
(solo map) (team map) (high roller) are good, because the core idea of the game is present throughout all of them.

[plush current]

somepeople are still playing dark and darker, why is that the case. they are aslo streaming it. im confused

[gentle rain]

really? i just assumed they were watching youtube videos together

[karmic hull]

replay ? @plush current

[fierce sage]

Nobody is playing Dark and Darker, a couple streamers are just streaming old footage

[plush current]

oh i see

[cosmic scroll]

noo test is over? oh noo

[lunar blaze]

You can stack a ton of gold on the goblin solos anyways

[cosmic scroll]

wondering when is the next test play then

[hushed solstice]

It will be interesting to have special areas with more bosses with nice loot

[fervent siren]

Considering the frequency of the previous play tests maybe like mid march or late march?

[cosmic scroll]

thats even more darker then arker

[calm mirage]

people die in solo mode ALLL the time, no idea what you are talking about there being need of more spawning or more mobs. Again, the Dev tester DIED with the first mob they saw in game.
And lets be honest, your talk about why people would ever play pvp if they don't lose gear in pve, is because you would lose gear in pve if you died, just like pvp.
you argument makes no sense. If those very people you talked about not going to pvp played the game, they would most likely leave anyway or just not play.
And your also talking as if pvp and pve would be the very same or something, as if the Dev's wouldn't make the pve a bit harder or less rewarding then pvp. Or that they wouldn't have more rewards or quests in pvp mode.

the game hasn't even finished alpha yet. And just because 1% of the players can easily solo any dungeon if they wanted doesn't mean the 99% others could, so be more open minded about it alright.

[cosmic scroll]

the darkest part of dark and darker is that we cant even play it anymore lol

[hidden lily]

But in High Roller Doungen you can found Unique Items the are better then Legendary

[fierce sage]

You can get a stash full of loot from Goblin Caves but it will certainly take you a lot longer than in High-Roller

[lunar blaze]

Why make the game easier? The fun is how hard it is. This playtest was so much easier with the solo lobby, it’s fine where it’s at

[stable moth]

cause some people actually want to have fun and not have stuff to not use it

[gentle rain]

@calm mirage what are your thoughts on a pve mode where players don't get to keep anything? as in solely for practice and nothing else

[rocky solstice]

No pve mode, its dark and darker not sunshine and rainbow

[calm mirage]

why not do both if it doesn't cost the devs anything?
They could even make it a sesonal thing, or only allow it to those just starting off, so much other ideas they could do with it.

@gentle rain even that would be fine, a great way to learn the game but gain no loot in return, making them want more loot and rush to pvp for the real rush

[wanton mural]

I'm criticizing your argument because I disagree with it, I do have an open mind that's why I'm criticizing it. Solo mode has other players in it. And I said decent players. Most people can easily kill enemies once they understand their attack pattern. The only way enemies kill you is unforeseen circumstances like players. The reason I made the argument about gear is because everyone would just obtain their gear in pve then go into PVP with that same gear. I said previously that unless they rework the AI to make it way more unpredictable and lethal and numerous then it'd break the economy of the game. "some people want a more casual experience and just wanna have fun" Fair enough. But thats at the expense of all the other players who will abuse that system by using the pve mode to farm ultra rare items. You underestimate the sweatlords in this game.

[cosmic scroll]

thoe who wanna suck they can suck. The game is nearly perfect the way it is, I just wish to see more variety of dungeons and more locations, spells etc..

[outer sluice]

Just a nerf in barbarian and everything is all right haha

[gentle rain]

what about in the context of not having access to pvp mode as a pve player?

[calm mirage]

Alright, sorry for being so harsh, i was not reading what you were saying as such.

BUT it also seems you missed out things i said too in the past.
pvp SEPRATE from pve, aka you could never bring gear from pve into pvp.
And again, like other people said, a pve mode with no loot at the end would also work.

So again, you may have missed things we already talked about.

[rose bobcat]

Should I clean my house because we can’t play?

[rocky solstice]

We dont want a pve mode dude its a pvp game go back to minecraft

[cosmic scroll]

No pve. may be pvp with only one-two others teams to make it easier but loot rates should be much lower then (for noobs and suckers) this isn't vanilla&rainbow online

[gentle rain]

you should clean your house when it is dirty, case closed

[charred plinth]

i feel like the problem with adding a pve mode is not the difficulty but that the game would become a bit repetative. What i mean by that is that by removing the player factor it would greatly decrease the scenarios a match can take. For example: You see from a little window from a door a party of 3 and you (beeing alone) run back but then realize that behind you is a room filled with skeletons and the party is coming your way. That has the player consider a bunch of different senarios which without the player factor would be very predictable and controlable. (a pve mode with no loot would be pretty ok though)

[lunar blaze]

Just run a high roller solo bro idk what to tell you

[daring sequoia]

Nah pve mode im not feeling that

[hushed solstice]

What about a little more items variety, bosses, endgame

[wanton mural]

Fair enough my bad. But that raises another issue, that artificially splits the playerbase. I don't think a mode like that would be popular enough to warrant it's creation. Here's my proposal.

I think the circle should be removed and the time in the dungeon should be doubled and the map made 1.5x bigger for a more dungeon crawly feel. It doesn't eliminate PVP but it doesn't force it as it is rn

[gentle rain]

that'll come in time, let the devs cook lil bro

[sharp whale]

Is there plans to implement the following:

• All classes from DnD (Like pally, warlock, monk, sorc, etc). ?
• Quest, either from map events or from NPCs pregame?
• Guild Systems
• An auction house system that will cut down the spamming of trade chat

[daring sequoia]

That will come for sure

[jade dust]

Let's start a petition to get the game back on until actual launch!!!

[calm mirage]

I understand criticizing my argument, but if you are, you also have to read all the past stuff ive ready said if you want it to take full affect.

We already said to keep pvp and pve seprate from each other so not to affect pvp mode.
we already talked about how pvp mode could have better rewards both in game and in lobby/character then pve would
we already talked about how if able to be done without to much issue, could be great to teach new players at the very least the basics.

If you don't want pve then fine, ill not sit here and change your mind, but the game is still young and ill have hopes the Dev's do SOMETHING or ANYTHING to help new players, and to help those who have gone from lvl 1 to 10 with only a single extraction because they can't aquire any loot or are played in lobbies with high geared leveled players.

[charred plinth]

Having the circle be a seperate gamemode sounds pretty fun.

[lunar blaze]

Bard is WIP so could be DnD adjacent, pretty sure the devs said they pull a lot of their ideas from DnD as well. Tavern, mimic, elves, ect.

[gentle rain]

no thanks bro, that's just asking for people to trash talk the game before it's what the devs want it to be

[thorny roost]

Do we know who provides the servers for the game?

[balmy umbra]

amazon?

[calm mirage]

also to this, to be honest if it split up the player base THAT much, it would be VERY clear that people wanted pve mode more then pvp mode.
and there was over 100k players durring testing, im not sure the affect would hit pvp that hard if at all.

[daring sequoia]

Who know when the game is coming back? im addicted

[rose bobcat]

Is lock picking super hard or am I a boomer?

[gentle rain]

no idea when it's coming back, my only suggestion is to play a game from the backlist of 100 that i know you have

[thorny roost]

Source? I've been trying to figure it out but can't find it anywhere

[buoyant adder]

what about basing lobbies off of an item lvl system?

[daring sequoia]

@balmy umbra NOT AMAZON PLEASEE

[raw dagger]

Has anyone ever beat the ghost king solo? If not do you think it’s even possible?

[balmy umbra]

I don't have a source, nor am i 100% certain, just heard it a couple of times on streams

[gentle rain]

that systems is very VERY unreliable since potential progress loss is huge in this game

[thorny roost]

Ah ok, well for now that's what I'll go with as I've not found anything else on it, thanks

[balmy umbra]

pve mode in a hardcore game is a joke, people need to get good and stop complaining, it'll be the same in all multiplayer games, worse in hardcore ones.

[calm mirage]

once again tho i want to say sorry if i came off as rude or too strong, the fact the game is down and sitting here day dreaming and thinking of ideas for the future of the game just made me and i bet others a bit strong in emotions as well.

i like your idea for longer times in maps and bigger dungeons tho.

@finite scaffold and yea, i suspect a lot of people, not saying anyone here, but a lot of people most likely like the thrill of pvp and killing everyone on sight, and a lot of new players are easy farms as they gather the loot, and the pvp heavy players can kill them and loot the,

[gaunt osprey]

Will there be a mmr/item level matchmaking system in place for early access?

[frank goblet]

does anyone know when this game releases?

[tacit girder]

is the game available currently or no? If not when will it be out

[rocky solstice]

If you want a pve mode go play something else

[buoyant adder]

@gentle rain yeah, thinking on it no. 2 same base items that are blue could have wildly different stats, one being a good set and the other having useless stats.

[cold tundra]

Q4 2023

[gentle rain]

the only matchmaking system in place is randomized and generally split up into the different difficulty dungeons (ie. normal and high roller)

[tacit girder]

huh

[burnt badger]

do you know of any?

[gaunt osprey]

alright, so no updates on that yet, no surprising but thought Id ask 🙂

[calm mirage]

there is nothing else like this Salvi, if you don't like pve mode then you are 100% to not play it if it ever comes.
people who say " go play something else like it " only can say tarkov which aside from the pvp part, plays nothing like this game.

Dark and darker is the cloest dnd game ive ever seen come out, and ill be dam'd if i give up hope on a 5 squad pve mode where me and the boys can dungeon crawl, or me anda few friends can go pvp mode.
i want both.
nothing wrong with it. but doesn't mean nothing right with it ether.

[cold tundra]

It’s been on the game page for the past 4 months, Q4 2023

[gentle rain]

also a very good point, alongside the fact that anyone can work their way to a purple item by saving up money and buying one from the trading servers

another point is if someone gets lucky and finds purple gear in a "beginner" dungeon and just rolls everyone

[dawn dagger]

Earlier today I noticed few people mentioning next play test, but everyone was naming different dates and times, any reliable info about next playtest that has been revealed?

[gentle rain]

no dates from the devs themselves, all predictions

[cold tundra]

Nothings been revealed yet so its all bs

[gaunt osprey]

They have said that they will (plan to) go early access in april so while the release may be Q4 youll get to play again quite soon

[cold tundra]

Highly doubt they’d release early access so early.
Thats just what everyone is wishing for but hasn’t been confirmed.

[wanton mural]

fair enough. You think that having an option for new players to learn the ropes without being bullied by veterans is definitely good and healthy for the game so more people can have fun.

I personally just disagree. I do think PVP is too forced right now and I think the extra players added to the dungeon was bad because running into fights was exhausting. I do want PVE to play a bigger roll. However I even though I'm not a very good player don't want the game to cater toward new or casual players. The game is extremely cruel and harsh and unforgiving. that's the beauty in it. To learn is to make sacrifices and to go through a fair bit of pain along the way in the game. Last night I instantly died solo twice and lost all my gear. Made me upset but that's the game.

I think your case is fair and there is definitely a minority demographic for it, but I think it goes against the policy of the game.

And it's okay it's very difficult to argue without being emotional about it

[dreamy sky]

why tf are people sitting in this discords vc

[cerulean badger]

I want a PVE mode. But I also realize that the more time your in game the learning curve goes down. The less time you have in game the less you can memorize the maps, mobs, timing, levels and so on.

[gaunt osprey]

It is mentioned in a video with the CEO so, sorta confirmed but I wouldnt expect it on april 1st.

[red crown]

i think pve mode is fine, gives more options for people to enjoy the game the way they want, nothing wrong with that

[cold tundra]

That doesn’t confirm it 😂.
Although it was mentioned, doesn’t mean it’ll actually happen, it’s all a speculation.

Until they actually confirm it in announcements or twitter that would mean it’s “Confirmed”

[young light]

I want a samurai class please 🙏🏼

[lunar blaze]

They’re playing the game still skill issue if you can’t load in

[calm mirage]

This, maybe i was to harsh to jump to pve instantly, because your words have touched me. If the pvp maps had less people, and longer time to explore, pve wouldn't be needed, because it wouldn't feel as rushed or purely skilled based. People could sneak on by and gather loot, so they could be more prepaired next game and be really ready for pvp.

id still love to see a pve mode of some kind in the future, but i do like your ideas more then simply deviding the player base right away

[daring sequoia]

Can they release it on february 19th please for my birthday ?

[woven shoal]

Never knew a samurai did dungeons and dragons

[buoyant adder]

So, I remember reading in the fopdoodles only section that the game technically starts on the second level. For all i know that idea could get cut from the game. But it would probably mean that an easier level will be implemented in on actual release.

[charred plinth]

I feel like having an offline mode system like tarkov would be handy for everyone tho. In order to try out gear and stuff

[woven shoal]

if you look at their website the forgotten castle level we’ve played is Layer 2 😇

[cerulean badger]

might be a pve level one, pvp level two, pve level three?

[buoyant adder]

@cerulean badger Level 3 is already in game. or at least I think thats what the red portals were for

[cerulean badger]

and Iv never seen pvp on level 3? is that right?

[daring sequoia]

@woven shoal true the rp plays an huge part for the game keep it simple but good we dont need that much artifice but some fantasy will be intresting like skinned weapon or character skin they are already on a nice way with races and stuff