q-and-a

[opaque zodiac]

I put my gold in pendants and rings. Less space. Hoarding is dumb

Make a mule, etc

[grim furnace]

lets be real, it'll be a season game with a lot of resets, use ur stuff and gold instead of just waiting the last few days of the end will be way better imo

@glacial saffron ^^^

[burnt badger]

Why is it impossible to have a legit conversation in that general chat my god

[desert remnant]

Because people are toxic af. Its why i dont go there and stick to game discussion

And answering questions here

[burnt badger]

It’s literally the same 3-4 arguments all day lmfao jfc

[desert remnant]

Its good it exists though. They stay there

[burnt badger]

Well I’ll be spending my time in game discussion from now on lmao

[novel cove]

Hello! 2 questions regarding the fighter,
Can you block spells with ur shield?
Does ur second wind + adrenaline rush recharge at a campfire?

[native plaza]

Yes all spells besides fireball and the overhead lightning, and yes it used too I can not say for sure it will in the next

[novel cove]

I find adrenaline rush rather useless cuz its a one time use?

[digital plume]

You can use things to store wealth other than gold. For example holding on to 200 Candy Canes is effectively 6000 gold but takes up way less space in the inventory.

[vapid forge]

I haven’t tried myself but sitting at 2 campfires won’t bring that skill back? Because I know that’s what I have to do for the healing skill for fighter

[eternal thunder]

Had some problems playing fighter because of this too, sure it sounds like a good skill but the fact that I can only use it once completely overshadows anything else. Thing is, if they removed the one time use it'd be broken as hell and everyone would run fighter.

[eternal thunder]

Didn't know this while playing fighter ^

[novel cove]

I think the Wikipedia I'm reading it off is outdated

I think it was written from the previous playtest

[vapid forge]

Yeah I only recently discovered this camp fire thing, only really used it for the healing skill for fighter, I’m sure it would work for adrenaline rush being a “one time use” until restored

[burnt badger]

You think it’s intended?

[novel cove]

Like second wind i kinda understand, but adrenaline being one time use over something like sprint just isn't worth it 🤣

[vapid forge]

Yeah I agree with that, but do we say a 120sec cool down? On this skill because i would think it would be annoying having a bunch of fighters spamming the skill lol

[novel cove]

Yeah but at the same time, the debuff can be exploited easily, considering it lowers move speed

Which is actuall crucial in this game

[knotty rock]

What kind of shield ? The blue potion ?

[novel cove]

Just wait out the adrenaline rush and bum rush them back

[gleaming wind]

Yes and Yes

[novel cove]

Regular shields that can be held

But good question, does blue potions mitigate spells

[novel cove]

So i can block fireball? 😭 I was getting tired of eating fireballs

[knotty rock]

No they don’t thats why i asked. Didn’t know you ment the equitable shield

Blue pots don’t block any spells.

[native plaza]

I forget what the skill was called but I used the "Last hit" one where you get one hit of +20% dmg and if you killed with it got 5% hp back it was reusable and would work on NPCs

[gleaming wind]

my bad

[novel cove]

Victory strike is good on spiders 😂

[gleaming wind]

This yes

[novel cove]

Ez hp gains

[knotty rock]

Don’t block any „magic dmg“ should be the right thing“

[ruby oasis]

Hello developers, are you thinking of making a random matchmaking??

[knotty rock]

But I don’t think you can block a fireball with the shield or at least I’ve never did it haha

[knotty rock]

There is no matchmaking yet. And there prob will never be one.

[native plaza]

this was answered in the #dev-qna-archives 🙂

[novel cove]

Me neither, i just fucking perished everytime i went against wizards, i play solo fighter so its rough

[ruby oasis]

oh sorry

my bad 🙂

[harsh elbow]

Did the devs have a wonderful holiday break?

[native plaza]

Was so happy to see that selling all silver coins and buying multiple items is being changed for sure by next playtest. Dev answered me saying "I was very uncomfortable while playing with this. It will be fixed with high priority."

[burnt badger]

We know if there will ever be a “offline mode” like in tarkov?

[knotty rock]

I can’t give any info on that. Questions about the developement has to be on the devs not on us discord mods 😰

[burnt badger]

Wasn’t sure if you knew and maybe I missed it in the qna🤷‍♂️ thanks tho man

[austere ocean]

Im pretty sure you can't block it but CAN negate damage if you crouch + block in the rough direction of the fireball, will have to test next time

[native plaza]

I feel like if there is one, the character would be like fully PVE so all gear is used only in the PVE matches, I feel like farming up on AI then taking the gear against players wouldn't be fair compared to gearing and looting in PVP matches

[dense karma]

In tarkov's offline mode you do not keep anything you loot in an offline game, but i think it would be fairly pointless for this game unless they change ai

[burnt badger]

I kinda hope they dont add one, people would use it as sort of a practice which takes the fun out of the game.

[cunning urchin]

It's a giant writeup for monk class ideas

[cerulean silo]

You are already getting practice in real games. The only difference is losing your gear. I dont see how offline mode would hurt

[burnt badger]

Exactly, so why do u need an offline mode? Just go play the game and learn with the rest of the world

[opaque zodiac]

Split it up, presumably it’s too large or cut some stuff

[cunning urchin]

I'm allowed to split them?

[tribal hawk]

Bard will be in february playtest ?

[crude lantern]

Inshallah

[wanton galleon]

Anyone know if they plan on adding the ability to split bags of gold in trade menu?

[tribal hawk]

what

[rich pine]

Do you know where I can find information about what the developers want to introduce to the game?

[wise vessel]

What is the Presskit on the website?

[wise vessel]

It says "Available Q4 2023"

[rich pine]

i know

but i want to see if there is maybe some information what class they want to add

mobs etc

[burnt badger]

There’s some YouTube QNA with the devs and then there is the QNA channel in this server they answered some things

[rich pine]

something like road map?

thx

i will look up

[crude lantern]

I said Inshallah

[crude lantern]

I got something for ya

They don't have an official roadmap but here's where you can get some info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc - 2 playtests ago dev interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA - this playtest interview with pestily and devs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM - 2 playtests ago but had more juciy info

[rich pine]

Love you

[jagged slate]

Do you guys seeing ur self making a API so a third party system can track the matches or kills like tracker.gg more or less ask cause alot of the recording apps use it to clip kills an so on.

[sage knoll]

A personal stat page would be cool, some of us don't care about the leaderboards.

[bold sand]

Any plans to sell alpha/beta keys before release?

[hearty hamlet]

yeah in spring. early access is comin.

[wraith harness]

how much will the game cost?

[boreal copper]

Devs, will there be an indicator like rank or something to show how high you are on skill level?

[nova scarab]

next alpha / beta is feb 6th

[boreal copper]

next PLAYTEST

not beta or alpha

[nova scarab]

its literally called "alpha playtest"

so thanks

[fossil vine]

There is leaderboards

[boreal copper]

that doesn't mean anything

[boreal copper]

but it's not an alpha release

[fossil vine]

Ranks are based on leaderboards no?

Or you mean skillbased matchmaking?

[nova scarab]

read the page, it says "alpha playtest #3 has ended!"

[boreal copper]

what do you think?

[fossil vine]

Sorry i can't read mind

I will improve tho

[boreal copper]

but it's not an alpha "release"

it's just playtest

[nova scarab]

which is what an alpha is

[boreal copper]

noxd?

[fossil vine]

You guys areguing about the name of the playtest LOL

[boreal copper]

you just can't read

that's all

[fossil vine]

I mean you literally can check ur rank, top 1000 or top 10k or top 5

So I still don't geit, you wanna a badge that says "master tier"?

[boreal copper]

but it doesn't mean you are good at the game

[nova scarab]

dude came here today just to argue, slow tuesday?

[fossil vine]

I mean % winrate is the only thinks that describe if you are good or not at the game

[fossil vine]

He is mad i think idk

[boreal copper]

that's why i said

"indicator or something"

[primal canopy]

I mean to get those stats you need to kill people, collect gold, kill bosses and then successfully extract. Only then are they placed on the leaderboard. I’d say that’s a fairly good indication of skill as those are metrics at being good at the game.

[boreal copper]

i didn't specify what but i just wanted to ask if there will be something to check how good is somebody at the game

[fossil vine]

Just leaderboards with % instand of totale Escape/kills ecc, like % escape, K.D ratio

Oh i think it wont be implemented in those playtest, it's pointless since they are up for like 2 weeks

They added leaderboards just for fun so people can grind a bit and test as much as they can

[boreal copper]

also those leaderboards are only for highroller

[nova scarab]

i am absolutely sure, someone will make a 3rd party character checking system

[meager nacelle]

I wonder if they'll add more depth to weapons and the damage they do to certain armors

[primal canopy]

Yeah for good reason too.

[fossil vine]

High roller is more the "ranked" match, since you have to pay 70 golds noobs should avoid those

Stats in normal matches would be fake, killing 1v3 noobs that are tryng out the game

[boreal copper]

well everybody can enter the highroller and just camp

then extract

70 gold is not much

[primal canopy]

Have you played high roller?

[boreal copper]

yes

[primal canopy]

What are you talking about when you say camp lol.

[nova scarab]

dudes a troll, stop feeding

[boreal copper]

stop being mad

[nova scarab]

no ones mad, you just dont seem to have any understanding of the game at its current state

[boreal copper]

you are mad

[boreal copper]

i don't know why did you say this

[primal canopy]

I’d agree if you don’t think leaderboard metrics are an indicator of some type of skill. There’s clearly a difference between those dying to normal pve mobs and those getting kills and leaving.

[primal canopy]

I said this in response to your message, this is how conversations work.

[meager nacelle]

I was actually talking about this yesterday. I think instead of just a normal and a high roller version there should be tiers of difficulty. With the added difficulty would come better loot but you'd also have to pay higher prices comparative to the level but I think it would keep players of similar level/gear in the same brackets

[primal canopy]

I say something, you say something.

What do you mean by camp?

[boreal copper]

just sit in place and don't reveal

[fossil vine]

Just to let you know, this game is not fully PVP rushing down people, a good player can escape without fighting once

This is not a full oriented PVP game, you can avoid it without problems

[boreal copper]

it's more of a gamble with currect zone mechanic

[fossil vine]

It's like Battle royale, getting kills or winning the match

[primal canopy]

You just described the difference in modes lol.

High roller has an excess of elite and nightmare mobs.

Better loot.

High price on entry.

Keeps people with higher gear away from norms.

[boreal copper]

not always...

[primal canopy]

Which part?

[boreal copper]

last one

[primal canopy]

The only point in playing norms would be to farm the bosses for purples.

[fossil vine]

Yeah a bit, like a cardgame the player skill is to play around some rngs, it's fine, i've seen worse

[boreal copper]

it's fun in killing noobs and trios

[primal canopy]

Sure but it doesn’t gain you anything.

[fossil vine]

Going in naked and start farming golds

[primal canopy]

And you’re just risking better gear.

[primal canopy]

You can risk 70 gold and make that back 100 fold just by playing hr.

Especially if you think you can just avoid people and extract.

[boreal copper]

do you think it would be good to remove the circle from the game?

[primal canopy]

No.

I don’t want the game to play slower.

I think the circle speed should be reduced per floor.

Faster on B1, slightly slower for B2, and slowest on B3.

[boreal copper]

how the game would get slower?

[primal canopy]

It would be good for cycling new players through games and allow fights to have meaningful impacts.

How would the game play slower with no circle? The circle is the only thing forcing engagements.

[boreal copper]

yeah but portal is what you need to end the game

[primal canopy]

Then I can sit in the corner and wait for everyone to leave. I’m actually not forced to fight at all anymore.

[boreal copper]

do you like the current circle tho?

[primal canopy]

I can’t imagine chasing a rogue around the entire map.

No it’s too fast, especially on B3.

[fossil vine]

Without circle would be boring af, people just farming some rooms near spawns and escaping

[primal canopy]

I like that there is a circle.

[fossil vine]

I think it is fine on B2

[burnt badger]

circle is good

pro

[primal canopy]

Also they need to remove the wheel map for High roller, I really missed the design in this play test but as with people running 3x ranger the center control was incredibly oppressive.

[exotic shuttle]

How do we get webhook permissions to connect this channel to external ones?

[warm oar]

[limpid pike]

Is it possible to keep the server open? if not why?

[lapis bough]

hey guys, in refference to the dev QnA that sdf did recently, is there a way to actually read all the QnA, because as of now, discord doesn't load the messages. i can only read what sdf replied, but i have no context, since discord says "message cannot be loaded. any suggestions? maybe there`s a transcript somewhere?

[dapper quest]

just scroll up and back down

[native plaza]

you double click on where is says the message isnt loaded and it jumps you to the question

[burnt badger]

Can we please pre order and keep play testing 🙏🙏🙏

[uncut tapir]

is there any way to support/fund the devs? donations? kickstarter? anything?

[native plaza]

dev said they were thinking about starting a kickstarter (so nothing as of right now)

[lapis bough]

but it doesn`t, lol. i tried it. also tried to scroll up and down. also tried to change devices, and even tried the web version

[native plaza]

for some reason it works like that on mobile but not PC just worked on my phone tapped the message not loaded and it jumped to it

[lapis bough]

cool, lemme see if it works

yeah, it seems to work on mobile. weird. if you click on the reply to take you to the original message, on pc it does not work. oh well, thanks for the info

[agile ember]

what is everyone playing between now and the next play test?

[strange kiln]

Alright boys lets hop on rust and ZERG it up !

[smoky creek]

anyone know when next playtest will be and when will the release early access?

[past birch]

valorant

[eternal thunder]

Cap

[plucky lotus]

February not sure how it is gonna be structured

[neon field]

How mich is this game gonna cost more less?

[dim scarab]

Anyone find solo centaur clips? No terrain cheese

[pearl cradle]

@muted onyx sorry I haven't read through all the various questions yet so if it was asked just ignore me haha but I was wondering if the classes were gonna be based on 5e dnd or 3e dnd? I heard both and wanted confirmation by your thoughts

[grizzled rivet]

Are the cosmetic skins going to stay ?

[past crater]

hello

will there be voice chat?

or some in game way to talk to other adventurers?

[supple smelt]

With the game being PC and discord being free I’m not sure why they would spend development hours on that as of yet

[trim matrix]

i think they where planing to add proximity chat

[past crater]

nice

[trim matrix]

yeah i think it be funny runing round with proximity chat so im happy it might come

[worthy hull]

I feel like most, like myself, will have it off though

grief potential is too damn high

[haughty tendon]

but think of the shenanigans

[analog escarp]

i think id be happy with just a message box to talk to your party in game

[trim matrix]

I get that 100% tbh but just like @haughty tendon said think of the shenanigans

[analog escarp]

though any kind of communication can potentially be toxic

[worthy hull]

I do think it'd be nice to have the ability to make impromptu groups though

if there isn't going to be any game internal matchmaking systems outside of just spamming invites to solos in the lobby

[analog escarp]

its all about the surrender emote

and tbag truce

[worthy hull]

tbag truce is def necessary

[analog escarp]

LOL

[worthy hull]

crouching is the universal language of pvp

[worthy hull]

I'm all for shenanigans, but I just don't think I'll utilize it personally. No skin off my nose to have it off so others can enjoy it though.

[analog escarp]

i look forward to a better invite system in the later releases

like sort by solo, sort by online, etc

sort by level, etc

[worthy hull]

Just a general LFG tool in game would be amazing

[trim matrix]

yeah again i see the and bad of it so i dont blame people for having it off

i can see a party chat tho

[analog escarp]

i think a really detailed market board like in guild wars 2 would be really great too, but its a lot of work

[tired surge]

Anyone know if there was any mention or possibility of solo-queue/a dungeon that doesn't allow parties to queue up?

[analog escarp]

a solo only mode would be interesting too

solo vs team mode

[tired surge]

I swear next playtest is gonna force me to be social

[worthy hull]

I think in the dev QnA they weren't super hot on the idea

@tired surge

[analog escarp]

maybe a ranked mode?

[tired surge]

Thanks, wasn't sure if it had been brought up or not

I know that's just the antisocial solo in me complaining tbh lol

[trim matrix]

they said there could be a solo mode but it wasnt a big idea for them

[tired surge]

ty, time to make some friends 😂

[analog escarp]

hit me up on the next playtest in 2 months

big noob though

[worthy hull]

Solo queuing can be fun though

[tired surge]

It's all I did haha

[trim matrix]

yea but i mean this game had 1m people play for a test run you find people

[worthy hull]

nothing beats the rush of winning a 1v3

[tired surge]

See, that I wouldn't know I got wrecked many a times haha

[worthy hull]

I mean you lose 90+% of the time but the win is great 😛

[tired surge]

But to be fair, only got two days of playtest- didn't know about the game beforehand

[trim matrix]

sadly i have not been able to do 1v3 yet but iv done a 2v3 tho

[worthy hull]

It's very difficult to do if the opposing group is even moderately geared tbh

[analog escarp]

barb, roar, hack them down with your big axe

🕵️

[tired surge]

I was still busy learning the dungeon and how not to walk over the damn floor spikes

😂

[worthy hull]

I actually think barb is one of the hardest to 1v3 with because rangers can literally just backpedal you to victory

[tired surge]

Rangers can seriously cheese the ai though. I cleared so many rooms just sitting on a perch with a bow

[analog escarp]

oh ye, gotta be a tight corner

no big open areas or long hallways

[worthy hull]

Wizard is very good at bursting everyone to death if they don't get jumped. That might be all the spells they got for the round but they can make a 1v3 happen

[analog escarp]

i think ranger is arguably safest class

you can carry two bows for 12 arrows before reloading

[trim matrix]

yeah i do say with games like this going to to fights can be a big flip of the coin a team of three for okay gear can be hard to take done but a solo with great gear can take down a whole team of three with easy

[tired surge]

😮 didn't even occur to me

[worthy hull]

You can also cheese multi/triple shot for extra reloads

[tired surge]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-7357158

[analog escarp]

ahaha

[worthy hull]

like if you use triple shot with 2 arrows left you'll have 4 left in your quiver after shooting it

[analog escarp]

ok i didnt know about that one

ranger cracked

[trim matrix]

yeah i could say that to plus they can be some of the highist dps in the game

[worthy hull]

**provided it's a longbow. But basically it just rolls a whole new quiver for you in order to finish the skill

[analog escarp]

🧠

i really want to try maining chain lightning next playtest

i wanna electrocute people 👁️

including myself, unintentionally

[worthy hull]

It's stupid strong

[analog escarp]

⛈️

[lilac pilot]

will there be another playtest soon?

[analog escarp]

feb!

at the next steamfest in 2023

[lilac pilot]

ait thnx

[analog escarp]

yw

[worthy hull]

It's unlikely, but really hoping we see bard in feb

[analog escarp]

i can get behind the idea of nerfing dmg on spells, but more quantity

but having meditation is neat

maybe more elemental variety

[trim matrix]

wait does anyone know if there be different poitons in the game?

[analog escarp]

ice for slow, lightning for stun, fire for dot

[worthy hull]

I don't thin anyone asked specifically, but my general impression is there is a lot they still want to add

It's very polished for one, but in their minds this is still very much an alpha

[trim matrix]

alright yeah i wanted to know cause there could be some cool potions to have

[ripe plume]

Will there be game resets after the games released?

[glacial saffron]

yes

[ripe plume]

cap

[glacial saffron]

no

they have stated that wipes will happen

and they have to, to keep the game fresh

[ripe plume]

aw man, but i love saving up stuff

[glacial saffron]

when you are fully stacked you dont get the thrill of winning but only the pain of losing. it gets boring and wipes will most likely be like every 2 months or something

so plenty of time to stack up

[ripe plume]

good point

i got all the way through half my stash with 50 gold bags by the end of the last playtest and it was in 6 days

if its 2 months or something like that i dont see why not

[glacial saffron]

For me atleast wipe day/week is the most enjoyable time of such games as this

[opal iron]

Will we see lobbies that are segregated based on party size/ level ever?

[glacial saffron]

yeah exactly but they might nerf how much stuff you get or something so it can change

[glacial saffron]

most likely not from what ive read

[ripe plume]

honestly i love saving up and then going all in at a day or two

making the best build i can

[opal iron]

From what devs have said in here?

[ripe plume]

and rolling thru

[glacial saffron]

yeah

[opal iron]

dang it

I feel like level based matchmaking would make a lot of sense

[glacial saffron]

their way of doing it is by making B1-2-3 and the high leveled players go to the lowers zones so if you got worse gear you are less likely to meet them atleast

[opal iron]

Oh dang thats a good system

[glacial saffron]

Well you would still occasionally meet them in b1 since they have to go b1 to get lower but it is atleast less likely :)

[opal iron]

Right right

But it still gives lower level folks a better chance/ is less frustrating over all

[glacial saffron]

for sure yeah

and keeps the element of uncertainty

[opal iron]

Ye

The uncertainty should be preserved above most other systems imo

Keeps things Spicy™️

[ripe plume]

would if be fair if we could choose a single slot of equipment to save through wipe? like a single sword out of ur inventory for example

[brittle pelican]

how are people playing the game rn?

[glacial saffron]

exactly have from what ive seen there is quite a few solos with crazy gear and killing people with crazy gear is some of the most exciting in the game :D

[dawn plaza]

They cant.

[glacial saffron]

hmm maybe but i doubt they will add it tbh

[slow steeple]

Is there any translation to what the cleric is saying when casting judgement or purification?

[brittle pelican]

isn't he? https://screen.bunger.fun/zBWEE46a

[proven oak]

Begone thot in latin

[ripe plume]

yeah i doubt it too but it would be kinda cool and unique tbh

[slow steeple]

I know it has something to do with “sight” just don’t know the other words

[dawn plaza]

Clips / old videos

[slow steeple]

Shoxy do you know by chance?

[neat minnow]

its a restream

[brazen torrent]

yo why i cant play, and only disinstall it?

[dawn plaza]

No idea. Some people say Mika Vista Julien / Yuleah

[opal iron]

playtest is over my friend

gotta wait for the next one

[static charm]

how do you get on the play test?

[south ingot]

Have they talked about plans on improving fighting? Swing/heavy swing/poke ECT?

[storm viper]

When the game will be released, is it planned to have wipes every x time to reset economy?

[pliant cloud]

Full release Q4 2023, no info about regular wipes

[glacial saffron]

they have said that it is very likely to have regular wipes in qna

[burnt badger]

^^^ he said he plans to do some form of wipe

[glacial saffron]

cant even imagine this game without wipes

[thorn dagger]

I know they said leaderboards are mostly for playtesting only but I think it would be a shame if it wasn't in the full game. Could maybe make it a bit bigger so you can get on the leaderboard by doing more things but I think it being high roller only is a good idea so you don't have people just pub stomping lambs in normal.

[glacial saffron]

i really hope so. Adds more replayablility and fun for someplayers

could even add certain none game impacting cosmetics for top50 or somethign

[thorn dagger]

Would make sense with the seasons/wipes too. And yeah getting some cosmetics for making top 20 in each bracket would be sweet.

[fierce fulcrum]

any chance the game will release before Q4?

[thorn dagger]

I think they said they may do early access before full release

[glacial saffron]

Early access is in Q2 all the way till Q4

So max half a year till we can play all the time. Earliest 4 months

[primal canopy]

Give them time to flesh out the game.

You should go and take a look at all the data they collected it’s super interesting.

[glacial saffron]

They published their data somewhere?

[primal canopy]

It’s in the discord.

#development message

[glacial saffron]

thanks! :D

wait it is from last playtest :/

[prisma marsh]

Questions is the SHeild hitbox for blocking overhead swings working as intended i feel half the time Barbs hit thru it when looking up as fighter and Wraith will hit thru me shield is that intended

[glacial saffron]

shield hitbox is way better en certain types of shields

[prisma marsh]

i use heater sheild 99% of time

[silver valley]

Round shield OP

[glacial saffron]

but i would imagine they would tweek the current shields

[primal canopy]

Ah shit you’re right.

[white lance]

how can i download the game?

[prisma marsh]

Question for warden or dev etc cuz i played 121 hours total this test so i played alot of testing

[opal iron]

Do we have any dates for the next playtest?

[crisp brook]

Feb 6th, during play next

[pliant fiber]

i wanna play devs please open early access

[thorn dagger]

I think they need to implement B1 and the Skill Tree before they'll do early access at least

[glacial saffron]

that should be no problem i believe

half a year for that

[thorn dagger]

Probably yeah hence the Q2 timeline

[boreal copper]

will the first floor be easier or the same as current one

[glacial saffron]

easier

[shrewd heron]

Easier and more players

[thorn dagger]

Not sure, I think it'll be easier but B2 is gonna be buffed up from what it is right now. Apparently the bosses in B3 are B2 bosses from the lastest QA and Hell is gonna have new harder bosses

[glacial saffron]

i also felt the current one was really hard in the beginning i would imagine it would be a little too hard for some players not wanting to just die over and over again

so its good they are adding a new floor

[kind sierra]

B2 is not that hard ,most people can beat it in 2-3 days and go to B3

[thorn dagger]

did they decide on if B1 was gonna be a cave or a forest map? Cave probably gonna be easier to make vs an open forest map, though that would be cool.

[kind sierra]

B1 should be a forest map.

[balmy panther]

Does anyone know what day the game returns?

[kind sierra]

6th feb

[balmy panther]

ohh

my friends said it was at the end of the year 2023

[glacial saffron]

Players who arent good at games will find it veryyy tough especially when you have to buy consumables.

before you know how to cheese skeletons and shit

[kind sierra]

agree but as times goes , players will get better and better. devs need to consider that in a long run not just in a week.

[glacial saffron]

for sure

maybe doing so redportals spawn from the beginning so players who wants to go b2 or 3 can do faster and new players can stay in b1 or something

[kind sierra]

cant wait to play this game

[glacial saffron]

dude im soo ready too

i really hope they get some nice stuff added before next playtest

[vapid coyote]

Is there set times for dev q&a’s

[burnt badger]

is there a spreadsheet explaining how stats effect damage values? like what % strength effects physical damage. thanks!

[white lance]

¿?

[still epoch]

The games on steam, but its not going to be playable again until... february i think?

[upper jasper]

do you need to do anything to get into the next playtest? Or do you get into the next one automatically if you participated in this test

[errant gazelle]

probably just request access same as the first

[pliant cloud]

Probably the same like previous ones, just click to gain access

[vital zealot]

people were already trivializing most content after 2 weeks so yeah

[forest widget]

@burnt badger strength gives 2 hp and 1% physical damage. you could test these things during the playtest by just equiping the gear and checking the stats.

[burnt badger]

ah so my actual damage based on strength would be shown on my weapon?

i appreciate it

[forest widget]

@burnt badger its shown on the increased physical damage % stat. if you equip the weapon it will only show you the base damage of what you do. not what your weapon does with all the % increases/ decreases. the best way to test your actual damage is to hit the dummy. generally speaking strength just wasnt a worth while stat in the test. 1 strength gave 2 hp and with a weapon that did 100 damage would give you 1 extra damage. though you could get things like increased weapon damage which could give you +6 damage. which would give you the damage equivalent in that situation of 6 strength. however classes like rogues and wizards could abuse this with their low damage daggers that attacked super fast in order to dishout over 100 damage per attack.

[burnt badger]

anyone know where i can find high res dark and darker art?

[languid girder]

Yo, can I get on testing or is it closed for now?

[full stone]

is there a offline mode so we can continue to play the game but offline ?

[austere ocean]

Closed until February

[languid girder]

cya in February 😅

[severe folio]

Although, you have a point I must say that it's funny that you think of this as an abuse and not feature. If you think a little about it fighter and barbarian aren't as squishy as rouges and wizards, so I think it's fair to say that they should benefit more from those stats. Those two classes should be feared but also those classes should fear any other class that is close to them.

In my opinion they really need to adjust the additional statistics so the classes wouldn't scale so quickly and so well. I believe it would need to take a full orange set to be able to one shot or few shot people, not just few blues and greens with good statistics. Maybe making the additional damages, and good stats very very rare? I don't care what route they'll take as long as all classes are not becoming damage monsters from having just few better items.

[austere ocean]

There's a dummy in game though

It was at the far back of the pre game lobby

Rogue starter kit with backstab and poison no headshot with5% perk buff gave 18 dmg while headshot was aroumd 24 to 28 i can't remember

And poison fully stacked dealt 3 DoT dmg

[quiet nymph]

Do you guys have a devblog i may watch id like to see how you blocked out your levels and what techniques you used 🙂 thanks!

[forest widget]

@severe folio blue dagger about 23 damage 10 pieces of gear to use as rolled stats on lets say a wizard (ring 1, ring 2, amulet, orb, dagger, helm, chest, boots, gloves, pants). each of those can roll any stat for the blues. meaning you can lets say have an average of 4 damage (ranges from 1-6) per roll (what i would as a baseline consider for gear to be good). that means +4 weapon damage, +4 true physical damage, +4 physical damage, +4 magic damage (with ignite buff on), or +4 ture magic damage (with ignite buff on) could be used. out of those if you roll 2 of them on each piece you would have +80 damage flat. Then take the base of 23 with the added 5 damage from ignite. meaning in all blue gear you would hit for about 108 damage to the body.

Also gear like that wasnt even going for that much in the beta. for rolls of +4 flat with a second +4 flat would sell for about 300g-600g per piece if they were on bad bases (not the BIS base armors).

[severe folio]

Did I not say they need to adjust those stats so they are not that easy to find/ stack.. or they should be completely removed from the game? For now, with full gear +2 add magic dmd and +1-2 true magical damage, in my opinion wizard is dealing too much damage. There's no class that can fight that, if they do they end up in the lobby. Now add to this three items with magical bonus damage +5%.

[craggy nest]

I really want professions] in this game like alchemy. so players can make high level potions and meds etc

[thorn scaffold]

A full crafting system is being added

[forest widget]

@severe folio mis interperted what you meant by "I believe it would need to take a full orange set to be able to one shot or few shot people, not just few blues and greens with good statistics." i thought you were saying it wasnt possible to do that with blues

[craggy nest]

i know but i want it to be made in a way where you need to be a alchemist or a blacksmith to make certain things.

[thorn scaffold]

Oh that would be lame, sorry

[craggy nest]

why?

[severe folio]

If you read my post thoroughly you would read that you should be able to do a lot of damage with full orange gear, but not with greens/blues with good stats.

[craggy nest]

would make people use the market to buy things they cant make

encourages trade

[severe folio]

The game currently favors scaling damage and that is wrong.

[thorn scaffold]

Look at any game with that system and the amount of complaints about it and then look at ff14 where you can craft everything at once and how positive that is and you get your answer

[thorn scaffold]

It encourages monopolies and strangleholds on the market somthing I myself have done in many games

[craggy nest]

what about runescape?

[thorn scaffold]

You can very easily take over the economy and become rich and force people to buy from you

[severe folio]

I understand that with full orange gear and good rolls 3/4 you could become a monster, but as it was in this playtest I don't even want to know how powerful class can be with full orange and god rolls.

[craggy nest]

wouldnt happen at all. there would be competition between people of the same profession

[thorn scaffold]

Yea that’s not how that works

That’s not even how that works in real life

[severe folio]

Now the funniest thing you can get sets with those tolls: All attributes +3, additonal dmg, and either true damage or bonus damage.

Those sets not only scale your damage but also survival. It's completely wrong

[craggy nest]

yes it is?

[thorn scaffold]

Pfft

Wow

Well you have fun with that..

[craggy nest]

you dont think theres competition in real life between companies? @thorn scaffold

[severe folio]

ALthough, I love all attribute stats on items I had, I believe they need to remove all stats from the game or they should be foundable on rarest quality items.

There should be restrictions on what rolls the item can have.

I have not tested anything besides additional mag and true damage, but I have seen wizards stacking will and knowledge. With those two statistics alone they're monsters.

The funny thing, you are able to stack +all atts, and will/knowledge. I think that's wrong as well knowing how scaling works in this game.

[forest widget]

well that being said regardless any class in the game can oneshot with good gear. its just a matter of if you think that classes should be able to. I for instance dont think any class no matter the situation should be able to one shot another with full hp. I think the sweet spot would be for slower attacking melee classes liek barb 2-3 swings, while faster attacking classes should be about 4-5 swings.

Also as it currently stands it makes no thematical sense that a fully geared (even if all legendary or unique) rogue or wizard with a dagger should be able to oneshot a full geared (all legendary or unqiue) fighter or cleric in plate armor. as the game is currently balanced when you are factoring in oneshots you cant do much as movement speed and range will always reign supreme in those situations. I actually found for the most part the normal matches with base gear at the start of the play test were significantly more fun then high roller lobbies where everyone else would just oneshot each other.

[severe folio]

but slower attacking classes already two tap :). I have always understimated barbarian until I have met a match for my gear. The moment he swung his axe and landed a hit, I had 30% hp left on my fighter.

And believe, barbarian is not the slowest class either. He was able to chase me down easily.

Now, when I see barbarian I don't let his axe near me.

[forest widget]

yes i understand that but if the barb has even slightly good gear he one shots you as a fighter or cleric. im saying that having any oneshot in the game is just not good design ever.

[severe folio]

I agree, that's why I hope they address that issue.

[hasty kestrel]

hello, when will we be able to play the next test?

[severe folio]

In February unfortunately

[uncut lava]

what is to be added in the next playtest?

[hasty kestrel]

what

no

i need to play this game

;-;

[uncut lava]

rip bozo

[forest widget]

yep i also think that even if all of the flat damages get hit hard there are still some spells wizard has like magic missle that even with the slightest bit of flat damage can do insane damage. I tried going for a full MR barbarian and even then a mage with just 3 pieces of ture magic damage flat gear would kill me in half a cast. since the 12 shots of 10 damage doesnt really matter if its reduced by over 50%, when the true damage goes through all of it and 3 rolls of +4 true magic damage means it does 12 true damage per hit and with 12 hits its 144 unmitagatable damage.

[hasty kestrel]

😒

[severe folio]

There's certainly an issue with a defensive stats.. they're not powerful enough for how the offensive stats are.
I don't see the reason why I'd want to use protective stats over offensive stats.

For example, max health stat is a joke.. while you can get easily +2 str and.. yeah.. it'll give you more than this +4 max health stat. but str for some classes will also give you damage.

[uncut lava]

offense is the best defense

[severe folio]

^ it is.

[forest widget]

yep agree with you there on top of that you can go as much defensive stats as you want but if you want to kill bosses super fast you would always want the more offiensive route. like in normal ghost king runs we would kill the boss in gg gear in a few seconds. where if we went full defensive gear it would take a few mins.

[uncut lava]

i found out the hard way that overwhelming the enemy players saves you more health

[severe folio]

I think there must be a restriction of how many offensive rolls (I think one per item is enough) can be on a item.. like I said I hate it see gone but I don't think stacking offensiveness is good.

[tall kindle]

Why do class limited weapons/armor have stats that don't apply to them?

[hot crown]

Does ignite work on magic missiles?

[severe folio]

what you mean

[tall kindle]

Fighter armor with + Spell Capacity, Knowledge etc.

[severe folio]

Yeah.. it makes no sense to have those rolls. I guess we'll find out in future testing if that's desired by devs.

[hot crown]

It's more random and more fun that way imo because good gear is rarer

[runic warren]

My Wizard with some damage bonuses and jacked Strength (like 18 iirc, and the base for Wizard is only five) could damn near instakill any player in the game with a Fire Rondel

[azure nacelle]

what game has combat that's the most similar to dark and darker?

[tall kindle]

skyrim

[azure nacelle]

No, next.

[tall kindle]

chivalry 2 ?

[azure nacelle]

Chivalry 2 more than Mordhau?

[runic warren]

Nothing, really. The closest in terms of gameplay would probably be Hunt: Showdown, but that's not exactly a hack and slash game

[tall kindle]

kingdom come deliverance

[azure nacelle]

I'm talking purely just combat

[runic warren]

Closest for melee is probably Chivalry or Mount & Blade, although neither of those games are really that close

[hot crown]

Chivalry is way faster

[dense needle]

Morrowind

[azure nacelle]

Why are you guys listing pve games?

I'm confused lmao

[tall kindle]

you didn't point it out

[dense needle]

yeah you asked about the combat and combat mechanics

[tall kindle]

elder scrolls online instead of skyrim then

[dense needle]

To be honest, there is nothing like Dark & Darker. It's a good mix of a lot of games.

[runic warren]

I know, but it's still the closest game to D&D

[azure nacelle]

I'm thinking Chivalry 2 or Mordhau are closest to D&D combat, which one should i buy?

[tall kindle]

chivalry 2

[ripe plume]

<@&988703997378584596> when did the Warden applications close? I sent mine before they closed are they still up for debate?

[polar yoke]

Try one for 2 hours, refund, try the other

[tall kindle]

mordhau is no longer supported by the devs

[neon plank]

Yea chivalry 2 is pretty good

[azure nacelle]

both games have like 200 viewers on twitch. i thought mordhau was popular, why did the devs drop it?

[tall kindle]

im gonna smash chiv 2 until dark and darker is back up

[dawn plaza]

Not sure when it closed and if your application is still being processed @timber mist

[ripe plume]

Thanks for the reply, If you do get aware on whether my application is processed or not please let me know!

[dawn plaza]

Graysun will hopefully answer (not sure if hes busy right now)

[tiny minnow]

Probably king's field and shadow tower. Maybe arx fatalis?

[strange stirrup]

Marauder

[strange stirrup]

Marauder has similar combat or gameplay

[mild lagoon]

lots of cheaters tho

[strange stirrup]

Oh really? Damn sucks

[odd ether]

marauder is legit a shooter not anything close to dark and darker

[brittle oyster]

What do you guys play, now that the playtest is over? Looking for a similar game (which seems to not exist T.T)

[final rune]

conan. mortal online 2

[burnt badger]

For The King

[buoyant flower]

Technically tarkov is a similar game, just with guns lol

[brittle oyster]

yeah I know but I dont like gun games :(

[timber mist]

Yes, we are slowly going through all of them.
If you are chosen we will contact you.
Thanks 🙂

[primal canopy]

Is there a contact email for ironmace by chance?

[trail orchid]

[e-mail]

[primal canopy]

Thank you random anime discord user, that seems really helpful!

[trail orchid]

No problem fellow cleric player

[primal canopy]

Wait did you react to your own message…

[trail orchid]

You're god damn right

I have the power of god and anime on my side

[tame venture]

Just filling the empty hole with Time until the next test.

[trail orchid]

Same

[brittle oyster]

the problem is I wont be able to play on the next playtest due to real life obligations. AAA

the day after it ends is literally when I would be able to play

[pearl flax]

I feel you. A lot of folks who hopped onto the Discord prior to the recent alpha-test had been coping with stand-in games left and right for multiple weeks

[brittle oyster]

hopefully they extend it

[coral geyser]

Has ironmace released a development road map?

[tame venture]

Not that I know of

[brittle oyster]

No, they dont have plans to release one for now (See: #dev-qna-archives )

Q: Will there be a roadmap?
A: There are still many changes, so there is no plan for public roadmaps yet.

[tame venture]

Yeah

[coral geyser]

Thank you for the quick response.

[brittle oyster]

np

[tame venture]

Valheim is kind of fun except not like Dark and Darker

I definitely hope the next playtest is maybe a little longer. We'll see.

They have a gem of a game here already

[pearl flax]

It's got lots of PvE offering. Just missing that [PvE] x [PvP] = DnD portion of the complexity

[tame venture]

Yes

And the class system

[coral geyser]

Have they said when the next test will be?

[tame venture]

February

[trail orchid]

Honestly I think the game is literally perfect as is, wish it released early access man.

[tame venture]

It's great as is. They can make a lot of improvements. From what I read a lot of the models are default to the engine so expect graphical improvements

[coral geyser]

It's kinda nice to see though. They don't want to release the game to early like majority of developers are doing these days.

[tame venture]

Yes

[pearl flax]

it's a complaint that's definitely in the minority, but Valheim has always been too floaty for me. it's like it's partially Halo, in design. cool to watch, but not to play (personally)

[tame venture]

Yeah I mostly enjoy it playing with friends

[still epoch]

Any idea how many spells we are gonna have by launch?

[barren wadi]

Is there any plans for a colorblind mode for chat at least my friend had trouble telling blues and purples apart in the market

[azure spear]

mortal online 2 is a dead game bro... literally has been in alpha since 2010 when i played still in alpha now lol less than 1k player population

[supple smelt]

Valheim was fun, but the updates are too far between.

And my builds started really lagging out the server I rented.

[brittle oyster]

I agree to this. I need to play the valheim version that exists 2032 maybe then it has lots of new content to play

Mistlands took like 2 years to release since the day I first ventured into the scary area with lots of cobwebs and expected some huge boss to show up

[supple smelt]

It was fun searching for the merchant and getting seaborne but after that it just needed something

The amount I’ve enjoyed this game though, I haven’t felt since maybe Skyrim back in the day

And maybe World of Warships Legends right before the pandemic and it took me through it

I’m hoping to become a troubadour. Need to find a thread that says maybe how I can apply

[strange stirrup]

I thought you meant like go in loot and exit n shit like that

[burnt badger]

Community announcements have the troubadour information

[supple smelt]

Thank you so much. I swear I looked through that 😂😂

[stuck remnant]

i only played the game for 25hrs but it was the best 25 hrs i spent staying up till 4 or 5 in the morning can we expected it to be back sooner then FEB.

[primal canopy]

Feb is soon.

[reef ivy]

Hey, i fancied the barbarian during the last Playtest and i would like to ask i someone know a high ranking barbarian who has videos of himself playing high roll, clapping some People.

[grim grail]

Whats the reason they cant keep the servers up and just continue to put out updates? Cost too much or something?

[prime venture]

is it truly planned to wipe progression once the game will be fully released?

[polar yoke]

On release and again every 6 months or so

[proven oak]

They said it'll be seasonal

so once every 3 months (or more if they define seasons differently)

[prime venture]

ah i see

[echo stag]

Long term, are there plans to add different environmental tile sets to the game?

[reef ivy]

@grim grail There are actually a lot of reasons, first of "Iron Mace" is a rather small you could call it "indi-company" therefore dispatching valuable workforce to monitor server status, cheaters and providing customer Support is not good for fast developing. Devs need to constantly work on game files, if the servers are running you can interact with files but it is bothersome. They should just work hard on the Game to make it good, to give us an even better playtest next time instead of trowing a unfinished product at us. Last playtest was a lot better then before and i really appreciate their effort. And costs do also play a role, i mean the game is currently free to play without a cash-shop or real life money trading (f.e. skins/dlc's/etc.) And the Servers last playtest where really stable considering they had 1 million testers.

[grim grail]

Fair enough. Thanks for answering!

[primal canopy]

Really good response, I think I’ll keep this is my copy and paste bin.

[prime venture]

it's also impressive the amount of work for being an indie studio that started with 20 developers only, now if i recall correctly are 26
really amazing job

[half pumice]

Are there any plans to change who can equip what armor? Feels like it should be less class based and more speciality type. Especially seeing as you can find 2 identical hoods but not wear the other because it's a "rogue" hood.

[neat pond]

how much will this game cost? or free to play and farm?

[reef ivy]

I don't know 100% But the Developers did not told anything about that. But they wrote on they official website that they "[] are a merry band of veteran game developers disillusioned by the exploitative and greedy practices we once helped create". I just hope that it will ether be free with an in game appearance shop (like LoL, Fortnite, etc. ) or a one time purchase.

[neat pond]

if thats the case (if its free to download, and no cash cow sucking machine like blizzard),

100% must download and support this game

[reef ivy]

Definitely

[knotty sorrel]

So far the only thing we have seen as far as a pay shop goes is literally pay to lose items. Blue torches which are a dead giveaway and skeleton skin for your character which lowers your physical defense

[neat pond]

cosmetics is fine lols. if thats their cash cow.

same like dota, its a way to show off but doesnt affect game play

[burnt badger]

I think the game needs a 20$ entry cost

with cosmetics

its not a 60$ or 40$ game, but cosmetics for this type of game are not going to be profitable enough

[safe fossil]

are u experienced in game profits?

[unique shard]

There needs to be a cost for the game, the more the cost, then the more the risk to hackers/cheaters if they have to buy the game again and again. If its free, then cheaters will just keep rolling up new accounts

[safe fossil]

cause im not really sure how expensive servers would take to run and such

i agree with a $20 cost

i feel i would eventually buy skins down the line

[toxic cipher]

Do you want a completely invisible skin and torches that require a FLIR to be seen? 💀

[thick egret]

i dont think they would include skins

atleast character skins

pretty sure thats what races are for

but it seems they want downsides for races

being a skeleton isnt worth it

[wintry helm]

@neat pond it's buy to play/own

[wispy parcel]

I am curious how race selection will interact with the potential character creation

[wintry helm]

@thick egret I'm hoping they drop the negatives for races and just allow them to be a customization option

[thick egret]

yeah i think taht would be the best

[runic iron]

What was the inspiration for DaD! Not particularly the conceptual inspiration, but I'm more curious about why the devs decided to actually make a move on the development. Is it a passion project? One made out of desperation for income? I am very curious about what drives the devs, because this is some incredibly high-quality content and the heart for it shows like the glow of a fire!

[tranquil condor]

Ave Deus Pater, it's a passion project. You can look it interviews on youtube.

[runic iron]

Nice! Thank you

[chilly rover]

FTP w/ skins and a season pass is the most common for games like this. Brings in a ton of revenue over time

[wintry helm]

@chilly rover if they do that then they need to have a button to check which hides all skins, skins would run the vibe and make it harder to see people's gear, I just don't think it's going to happen

[chilly rover]

Yeah a lot of that comes down to shaders and graphic settings

[opaque zodiac]

F2P is trash

[chilly rover]

Why tho

[blazing cairn]

Just give me a button to give money, I think a lot of people are similar to me in that they enjoy this so much they are willing to help fund early development of the game.

[vital lagoon]

I agree something as simple as a different colored name for tiers of support would be enough for us who really love the game and dont want to see it die

just an idea 🙂

[robust condor]

F2p makes shit easy for hackers, any f2p game is constantly plagued by hackers, add a paywall and it's an extra defense, and a pretty good one, no one is going to keep paying 40-50 bucks when their accounts get Perma banned

[glacial saffron]

hard agree

make it pay to play

fuck cheaters dont want yet another the cycle frontier launch

[robust condor]

It definitely won't be like that, these devs actually play their own game and test shit 😂 the cycle still doesn't know what game it wants to be

[glacial saffron]

i just remember being hit by a pickaxe in the cycle from across the map that was sick xD

[robust condor]

The good old days

[glacial saffron]

one of the devs wrote that the monetary method they are most interested in is box price + dlcs

but nothing is set in stone

[robust condor]

Alot could change, but they are headed in the right direction, and we know will test everything they want to implement, I think we are in pretty good hands

[glacial saffron]

for sure

i also checked out what changed from the last play test to the one that was just here and a shit ton changed in just 1.5 months

[raw plaza]

They should have skins similar to csgo, maybe not loot boxes tho

[glacial saffron]

would love if the only way of getting skins was random chance through extraction

[robust condor]

Loot boxes are one of the worst things in modern gaming, they need to be removed from all games as quickly as possible, nothing but money hungry corps that make shit games and spit in our faces while people keep paying for loot boxes

[primal canopy]

Literally just a legal loophole to get children to gamble.

[red phoenix]

Will you open the sell?

Let us buy the game?

Embark in the hype and get the money flow

[lusty chasm]

Are you guys leaning more towards pay2play or free2play?
Im not opposed to the idea of p2p but f2p games seem to have more longevity since microtransactions and whatnot, although its more of a "will people play for a long time or short time" kind of thing

[slim kestrel]

relax bro , they dont want to be like No mans sky , repeating the same scenario

[robust condor]

Always pay to play, they have already said it will be

[slim kestrel]

they need to implement many stuff , work on maps, spawn points, fix code, fix the ilumination and have many meetings with many ppl

so stop asking to release early , you giving they much stress

you dont know the reality korean game industry, they work like 24h sometimes with no sleep no rest, with short times, sometimes forgot to eat

[glacial saffron]

that for sure isnt what really needs focus tbh except code

and B1 map

[shrewd heron]

pay2play no contest

Hackers and whatnot are always ten times worse on f2p

[glacial saffron]

yup if you have to pay 30 bucks every time you get banned you are way less likely to try again

and full loot pvp games are the most fun for cheaters and always draws them to it

[pseudo crescent]

Meh, people mass-buy tarkov keys and just sell items and accounts and stuff to make up the losses.

paying for it only stops casual cheaters. Which is still a good reason as any.

[glacial saffron]

yeah the rmt can be bad

but the accounts thing is weird

[shrewd heron]

You'll never fully stop all cheaters, but it's still a significant difference

[slim kestrel]

happen on every hot game

[glacial saffron]

they buy accounts from countries that dont have "normal" average income and get them cheap

[pseudo crescent]

like argentina

[slim kestrel]

it[s a normal step , happen to all

[glacial saffron]

hope they dont sell it too cheap to poorer countries

[pseudo crescent]

They pay like a dollar in their currency by converting it to argentinian currency lol

[glacial saffron]

or it fuck the principle of fucking ovver cheaters

[pseudo crescent]

The game is basically free at such a rate

[glacial saffron]

its fucked

[pseudo crescent]

It's easy as hell to do even on steam

[glacial saffron]

yeah completely stupid

[slim kestrel]

also exchange rate , all can be possible

[glacial saffron]

well them doing everything they can to stop cheaters will make it less likely to meet one and increasing the enjoyment of the game

[slim kestrel]

even today , csgo or other full update games still have issues with that

[pseudo crescent]

If modern game companies with big money backing them can't stop cheaters these guys won't

Can only do the obvious measures to reduce their impact.

[mossy creek]

balls

[glacial saffron]

you have no idea how many valorant players that have turkish accounts and get everything less that 50% of normal price

[slim kestrel]

the only thing we can do its to concientice people

[glacial saffron]

i ofcouse didnt do that myself xD

[pseudo crescent]

And even during this test there were cheaters.

Games like marauders are absolutely plagued with them.

The moment this releases I gaurantee it will be just as bad.

[slim kestrel]

not that bad if ppl always complain it , much better concientice ppl and encourage to play legal

[glacial saffron]

well marauders also kind of fucked it up completely

you could apparently just turn of their anti cheat

[slim kestrel]

all depends to their comunity

[glacial saffron]

playing with legit 0 anticheat

[pseudo crescent]

Christ

[shrewd heron]

I don't believe the playtest had any anti-cheat, though they now have a good chunk of data on cheaters

[slim kestrel]

otherwise if always complain, they will raise toxic players

then ragequiters then will scalate quickly

[glacial saffron]

doesnt really matter. If you meet cheaters every 4-5 raids and die because of it 90% of players in that scenario will quit. Cheaters dont care about you emotions they just wanna fuck some shit up

[pseudo crescent]

Some are making more money through RMT than they could working in their country

But yes, alot just enjoy causing harm

[shrewd heron]

It's the same result either way

[pseudo crescent]

You can't "encourage" them away

[mossy creek]

ehehehehe

balls

:bworm:

[glacial saffron]

exactly

devs just needs to focus on fucking cheaters over.

hardware ban is the goat against them

[slim kestrel]

if the game gots balance and such , make the player feels dont need that

its a posibility to reduce a good amount of them

[pseudo crescent]

As long as you know what ID they're basing the ban on (usually the network adapter) you can easily spoof this.

[slim kestrel]

prob, but theres more complex than put a hardware ban, sometimes happen with other games, using many kind of method , ban legit players

making bad reviews

etc

[glacial saffron]

with a good anticheat they can ban multiple things. GPU, CPU, freaking ram, harddrive a ton of things

and a lot of spoofers online doesnt even work tbh

[slim kestrel]

so need to be careful with that step, I dont want on my pc a denuvo , make it laggit

[glacial saffron]

will fuck up a decent chunk and thats the goal cant fuck up all the cheaters

[glacial saffron]

They arent going to hardware ban themselves. They will buy a anticheat from somewhere else to do it if they want

tested and shit

but expensive

[slim kestrel]

yeah, that add cost

making the game more expensive

[glacial saffron]

yeah and adds to the experience

game will die if too many cheaters

no choice in the matter to be honest

[mossy creek]

mages go hard ngl

:trol:

[slim kestrel]

with this early step making the game with triple A price tag, prob not many ppl will reduce the chunk of cheaters indeed but you have on otherside a small population

[glacial saffron]

With the amount of hype the game will have enough players to keep it going if they just keep on their promise

60k peak playercount at once in early alpha with streamers like asmongold and xqc playing it

[slim kestrel]

im not sure but throught game history, cheaters still are on every game ecosystem, example Call of duty

damm hate call of duty xD

[glacial saffron]

xD

well call of duty devs just wants money

[slim kestrel]

yeah, predators

but this comunity need to be right on the sense to dont condem that bad if the game on somepoint on the gameplay encounter cheaters, because that will leave a bad review making the game goind red

that[s bad for the company and will cause drastically ppl dont buy it and continue blame it

cause it to be gone

dead

[glacial saffron]

people will do what they want and you cant really tell them to do otherwise

only real way to not get that scenario is by fucking the cheaters and making it hard to cheat

[shrewd heron]

There was a lot of pretty big streamers playing it, kinda surprised me

The day I found DnD through steam, I went on twitch that night after playing and DnD was the second most viewed section

[glacial saffron]

its good advertisment

[shrewd heron]

ye

[glacial saffron]

was also the way i found the game. hadnt heard about it at all before that

[slim kestrel]

me too with other streamer

i feel for a small company it s really hard for them making the right choice and how to implement

sometimes need to take time and no rush

they know better than us

[glacial saffron]

people always says this

same with new world, the cycle frontier and a lot of games that got completely fucked by the devs

not saying the devs will fuck the game, but devs arent always right

Like the game needs a lot more depth before release but no matter what they do if they dont atleast focus on cheat prevention before release it will hurt the game sooo much

[thorn dagger]

Their play test cycle gonna help them get a decent anti-cheat solution running I think. Issue with like the Cycle is that they have to try and rush to make an anti-cheat solution while also still working on content. It's a race to beat the clock on both engagement and player patience.

[glacial saffron]

the cycle also had betas

they just werent ready to make drastic changes to prevent cheating

[thorn dagger]

Yeah was the issue with the Cycle

Here they recognize the problem super early at least and stressed how it's a priority which is a good step I think

Vs Cycle who seemed to just try and ignore it until it got out of hand

[glacial saffron]

yeah for sure

[glacial saffron]

this man xD was soo bad

[thorn dagger]

Ultimately it's impossible for something to be 100% cheat free but at least any sort of client mods that change health or damage could be minimized.

[supple pond]

is there going to be a reset for the next playtest?

[glacial saffron]

100% it is impossible to get rid of everyone cheating but if you can minimize it you win

[thorn dagger]

Which are probably the more egregious ones to worry about. Walls and Aimbot harder to counter but wouldn't be as debilitating as in an FPS

[glacial saffron]

people could spam arrows as archer with cheats i hope they fix that atleast

[thorn dagger]

Well there is the travel time which would make it harder

[wispy parcel]

i just hope its not easyanticheat

[thorn dagger]

🙏

EAC has a lot of issues yeah so hopefully they find a good middle ground of effectiveness vs jank

[crude lantern]

There's a saying online about EAC

It's called Easy Anti-Cheat because it is very EASY to turn off

[ember gate]

Any idea when they're going to release data from the newest playtest?

[junior dome]

around the next steam fest

[ember gate]

okay, so just before the next playtest is out

that makes sense, they want to make sure not to release anything that could be taken out of context by players, they want to interpret everything for themselves and make design decisions in-house

[errant zenith]

I joined a lfg and some dude was cheating it was pretty dumb, he told us and i just left

[crude lantern]

@errant zenith did you report him?

in #1056520745330675763

[stuck knoll]

any ways to still play the game before the second playtest is out

[silver valley]

I have like 150 hours in this game and have never encountered a cheater

[azure spear]

same... never got a cheater once

[ancient coyote]

ive only ran into one, they were doing the instant attacks/doors etc

[pearl hearth]

I only ran into two cheaters, one who didn't do anything but open doors/chests and turn off lights while being Perma invis, and another was a rogue that had INSANE attack speed, like actually enough that it was confused. Full plate armor, dead almost instantly from the front, while not stealthed. Man's just ran at me

[round garden]

I think it would be better if u make it MMO-RPG like

[pearl hearth]

what?

[stone otter]

not a question, more like a suggestion.

[white bay]

When can we expect an updated press kit?

[austere sundial]

Anybody know the priest prayers' meaning in game? "mika vista yulien"
thought it was Latin but couldn't find the meaning of "yulien" unless it's spelled wrong

[opaque zodiac]

I definitely did encounter one

[sly sleet]

and have you found anything about "mika vista" part?

[austere sundial]

in Latin and Hebrew if Im not mistaken
Mika means "God" or "Who is like God?"
vista I think it means "has seen" or "sight"

considering these are the 2 big languages that are combined with the new / old bible (or mythology)

[sly sleet]

Got it, needs to be investigated further

[austere sundial]

but I'm no expert at the languages so I might be miles away on the explanation, that's why I ask here in a global discord for players that are familiar with the languages or the bible

and it might even not be these two languages at all

[opaque zodiac]

I think you’re on to something

[storm aspen]

someone get the devs to drop a b1 teaser

[mild glen]

If you put Mika vista it says it’s Finnish and translates to “what the heck” 🤣🤣🤣 I think we found it

[still wigeon]

is there any other class that has ranged aoe dmg besides wizard?

[mild glen]

Cleric on zombies

[austere sundial]

at first I did try that XD

And I immediately thought of a priest pointing a finger at an undead saying it

[austere sundial]

the "yulien" if Im not mistaken can be also written as "Julien"
which means "youth of heart" or something
But that makes no sense combing with the first 2 words
unless there's those femin or male words that when you add up it gives a different meaning such as some Spanish words

[astral venture]

It also can be written yoolien which means absolutely nothing if that helps

[opaque zodiac]

Yeah, like there are a bunch of kabbalastic phrases which are similar but not on it

[still wigeon]

is it expensive or difficult to find? and how does it compare to fireball

[austere sundial]

Is that Latin?

[opaque zodiac]

No lol

[austere sundial]

or is it Hebrew ?

[opaque zodiac]

No, please ignore that comment 🤣

Latin for judgement is iudicium

But it doesn’t sound right

[austere sundial]

yeah I need to get a sound of thr priest saying the words again, I got a feeling the words are not written right when they were written down into words

[spark breach]

They can be pretty easy depending on where the game drops you and do loads of DMG to door rushing barbs lmao

[final cove]

I want more

[stone otter]

[tranquil harness]

How can I apply to be a partnered streamer for DND with Ironmace!

[still wigeon]

is the wizard the only class taht can move while invisible?

[lean anchor]

could yall tell me of what exactly the maps in development are?

[dusty yoke]

No rogue can do it too with perk skill 10 steps

[burnt badger]

Community announcements

[ripe plume]

Thank you very much sir.

[forest ember]

Will we ever have the ability to see our teamates on the minimap?

[astral venture]

probably not

doesnt seem like the kind of game to have that

[sturdy knoll]

Will the game add proximity chat?

[gusty cedar]

@timber mist Japanese players(In Japan region) are currently blocked from joining the discord, can this be fixed please?

[void gazelle]

Why should it be free ? It deserve some money !

[next helm]

When will I be able to pre-order this game? I don't care about bugs the game is awesome!

[still wigeon]

what's the best class for solo gameplay? I'm conflicted between wizard, rogue, and fighter

[pliant cloud]

Wizard is definitely hardest class to play solo, solo friendly is ranger for sure, next one will be rogue i guess

[still wigeon]

what has the most payoff as solo at the top levels though?

pretending the players are near perfect and have spent thousands of hours in the game

[pliant cloud]

Ranger if you know where you should place traps, or Wizard with good spell management, or Rogue with clever usage of his stealth. Hard to say which class would be best

Can agree, but one single mistake and u are dead, i mean casting spell to close for example

Anyway, key to win almost every pvp fight is a movement

[plucky lynx]

Do we know if in the next playtest we keep our account names on characters

[wary frost]

Can we some how play game offline right now or private server ?

[hasty furnace]

I like all 3 of those for solo a lot. Probably fighter is the most well rounded of those picks, though rogues also have pretty free extraction via playing like a rat and hiding all the time

[burnt badger]

I don’t think so. I’ll make sure I’m calling off work day 1 of the play test just so I can get my name lmao. I had Scary , horror

[void oriole]

do we get to keep the funny skeleton skins?

[timber mist]

Really? I am not aware.
I will look into this.
Thank you

[gusty cedar]

Some friends were able to join but others are stating they are not able to, I will find out details and let you guys know if they still have issues. Thank you for looking into it

[brave jewel]

Hello! Is there an external IRONMACE jobs page? Can't seem to find one on the website.

[limpid knoll]

Why did you all make this great game?

[molten spindle]

how did a youtuber play the game if its not downloadable

[molten spindle]

money

[lyric thunder]

it was a beta playtest to get user feedback & data

[limpid knoll]

There's passion in a game like this, not just money.

[burnt badger]

the game will be paid to play, the devs told it in q&a

[lyric thunder]

I think hes talking more about the route the devs are going. They are putting a lot of effort into keeping everything running, & all the devs came from dev jobs where they were not a fan of the money making practices. At least thats how they describe themselves on their website

[lyric thunder]

A short snippet of their website verbatim is:

"We are a merry band of veteran game developers disillusioned by the exploitative and greedy practices we once helped create. We are experts who have worked on many of the biggest hits in Korea.
​We’ve seen first hand how corporate game companies sell their soul for the easy payday. We are disappointed to see them doubling down on more and more exploitative practices, becoming more like casinos instead of bringing joy to gamers."

[burnt badger]

do I look to you, like someone who can read?

[lyric thunder]

lol

[cloud notch]

When the game releases in February will I have to redownload the entire game or will it be a patch? Wondering if i should actually uninstall or not.

[spice oxide]

<@&988703997378584596> How long does it typically take for someone to respond to me about a form submission for Warden status? Or does anyone know who I could talk to? I submitted an application a few days ago. I know the game isn't open for play-test right now, but I would love to help out with official moderation as well.

[lyric thunder]

It'll probably be worth it to uninstall then reinstall. Prevents bugginess & I imagine they'll implement a lot of new features to get data

[cloud notch]

I just want to know what will get me into the game faster when it comes out lmao

[upper tree]

It doesn't release, it's another playtest for a week. Early access is hopefully Q2 of 2023.

[cloud notch]

Yeah I know

[spice oxide]

Thank you for a quick response.

[tribal tide]

But basicly someone should respond to you if you are chosen

[burnt badger]

Upwards to 2 weeks when they do reopen though

[cloud notch]

is there an application to get a role where I can use my emotes lol

[burnt badger]

No lol

[cloud notch]

Ripperoni

As i wouldve said Sadge

[burnt badger]

Cant use our own emotes anywhere either

I'm the best DaD player the reaosn I'm not on the scoreboard is because I'm number 0 (before 1)

[cloud notch]

Wait even wardens cant use custom emotes?

[burnt badger]

Nope

[brave jewel]

Cool, thanks for the answer, @tribal tide

[burnt badger]

I can

https://tenor.com/view/cat-snore-drool-gif-24001576

[cloud notch]

Thats from this server :P

[burnt badger]

ut's custom tho

[cloud notch]

PogO

But yeah anyone know if the game will patch or will it have to uninstall then completely reinstall when February's playtest happens. Like did it patch for this recent one or was it a complete reinstall?

[pliant cloud]

Hard to tell, when i unistalled the game after previous playtest it was completely removed from my library. Anyway, game is not that big thats why im just uninstalling it to have fresh game files

[cloud notch]

Well anyone who didnt remove it o.o

[gentle mist]

it did an 'update' but im somewhat sure it was just a full re download either way tbh

[cloud notch]

rip k

[gentle mist]

i may remember wrong, but i believe it was 8-9gb ish dwnload

[pliant cloud]

I remember 7gb, but it is up to 10gb for sure 😀

[grand harness]

out of curiosity since this came up when i was chatting with someone when i was playing, but does magical damage add to rouge poison damage

[storm nova]

As a fighter do you get your heal back if you rest at a campfire?

[grand harness]

yes

[storm nova]

nice intel

[storm temple]

ehm no

i never get this heal back at campfire 😦

[grand harness]

was curious because poison mentions that it specifically does magic damage

[storm temple]

ok that is strange, maybe a bug ? we will see next test.

[storm nova]

Wizard is probs getting nerfed just when i wanted to play that

[grand harness]

never got a chance to try it because its really hard to get magic damage sometimes and can't really tell from dummy how much either

because if magic damage does add to poison that could lead to some very silly interactions considering how easy it is to stack it quickly

[burnt badger]

Yes magic dmg helps poison but you need 15 will other wise you won’t get full effect it’s weird but yea pretty easy gear was doing 5 poison dmg for 1 stack so full stack 100g over 4 seconds

[grand harness]

interesting

[grand harness]

so magic damage adds to the total dealt over time im guessing, not per tick than

[storm nova]

Is physical damage reduction only for melee hits

[shrewd holly]

It depends on the tier of campfire. I believe green and above campfires give fighters second wind ability in one usage, but you would need 2 grey campfires to get second wind back.

[storm nova]

ohh

Whats the best daggers for rogue?

[cloud notch]

I like a rapier for pve rondel or stilletos for pvp

[shrewd holly]

Depends on your play style. Stilettos have a nice overhead stab that you use to get around shields and hit heads. Castilion daggers have a slash that in my opinion is a bit easier to hit. Rondel is just straight forward stab stab

[storm nova]

How about kriss dagger

[modern flint]

What is the best build for fighter

[shrewd holly]

Fighter skills that most people tend to bring are. Second wind and sprint. Usual perks are Combo attack, armor speed penalty reduction, project resistance, and AR increase or maybe weapon mastery (to use bows).

[grand harness]

i believe its for any damage outside of spells and poison, so arrows, melee, etc. are all considered physical damage

[storm nova]

What about projectile reduction?

[grand harness]

i think it adds on top of that reduction

[storm nova]

I would assume physical is for melee and projectile for throwables and arrows

[shrewd holly]

Someone else will have to answer that one. I haven’t used the Kriss dagger enough to give a good answer.

[modern flint]

When we can play this game again?

[grand harness]

i could be wrong but im going off the fact that it seemed that physical damage added to bow damage when i played ranger since there is no +projectile damage mods in the game

[storm nova]

People don't usually use those so i assume they are not that good

[shrewd holly]

Last announcement on another playtest was to be in Feb 6 2023 to coincide with Steamfest

[placid tangle]

100% wizards

[cloud notch]

nah rouge

Just run to safe rooms loot run to middle hide wait for a portal grab it leave

Easy

[thin totem]

[chrome dagger]

My Rogue friends didn't like the attack pattern on the Kris, but maybe we can get a Rogues opinion. I didn't really use the daggers

[thin totem]

Kris was okay if you had a stiletto otherwise it was bad

[burnt badger]

You just don’t want to slashing daggers

I prefer rondel cast most the time.

[trail widget]

Rondel has the range so does stilleto. All depends on what you need. Kris and castillo are great for slashing

[wraith veldt]

Rapier is where its at. The distance makes such a big difference

[sinful spade]

Is there a plan to add a blocking mechanic with swords/axes or is it strictly a shield mechanic

[proud jewel]

Would be nice if barb could use a shield since fighter can use a bow

[sinful spade]

I just think sword / axe should have a block mechanic like mordhau does, or some counter attack feature so it's not just hitting people then backing up

[wind wolf]

How does frostbite work? From wizard iceshield. Does it slow the attacker for .5s

[misty canyon]

In the suggestions channel, what difference does a post marked blue have to a post that's marked green?

[pliant cloud]

Yup, it slows for half sec

[wind wolf]

Is there a cooldown?

I guess its not too bad then

@pliant cloud

[burnt badger]

You can currently parry by attack correct? I’ve done it mostly out of panic effective on barbs mainly

[prisma marsh]

is the fighter sheild vs Wraith still hiting thru ur shield when u Literally hear the sound of it bouncing back off Intended it also happens with other mobs but mainly wraith 1/3 of the time. ALso with Barb overhead swing i feel like the sheild vs it isn't working properly possibly?

[quiet nymph]

If the weapon still hits you even through the block like the tip of the axe going over the shield and hitting your head

itll still hit you

[thorny barn]

how were item rarities distributed among floors (and the high roller dungeon) this playtest?

[astral seal]

How long are rogues able to stay in stealth assuming if they don't move? Do they stay stealth indefinitely or does it have a limited amount of time?

[dry vapor]

What melee weapons are rangers currently allowed to wield?

[burnt badger]

Rapier, spear (if spec’d for it)

[astral seal]

In addition to what GeneralPwn said, they can use some swords as well, at least the Arming Sword.

[dry vapor]

Thanks guys, guess I had a fever dream where a ranger could wield a long sword, figured that was far too OP to be true

[ancient jay]

They can stay in stealth somewhere around 30-60ish seconds ( I don’t know the exact time but there is a limit on it this play test )

[solid scaffold]

I think its 45 but its affected by buff duration

[honest acorn]

they can use arming swords as well but yeah not longswords

[amber echo]

do we have an expected time for the talent tree? is it going to come out with the next or following playtests or will it release with full game?]

[idle shore]

this might be a silly question but how are people playing the game with the playtest being complete? do they have some type of key?

[gusty cedar]

theyre not

[vague badger]

They might be streaming an old video or something similar.

[idle shore]

thats what i figured thank you

[glacial saffron]

Physical is for everything except magical. this also includes arrows.

[wispy parcel]

I assume projectile also covers magic missile

[astral seal]

In the Dev Q&A they said that they didn't expect it to be complete before the next play test.

[spice oxide]

Anything projectile, correct, including fireballs, ice-arrows, magic missiles, any projectile.

[hollow root]

i also dont like the kris attack pattern, more of a rondle/stillo kinda person

[slow violet]

fr fr, but do you know any way to chain the combo from rondel to stil?

[hollow root]

nah the reason to duel weild is to have the stats of both daggers share on to the other. and you use one you like the best for attack pattern

[hollow root]

youre slower with 2 daggers so unless you have a good statted second dagger just use 1 you like

[slow violet]

I getcha, my last run I was just using stab from rondell for mobs and certain players.

[hollow root]

i like rondle and also the castilo for the sweep motio but ive seen rogues have very hard stances on what dagger pattern they think is best

[slow violet]

Yea, early to middle of my play of the game. I ran rapier with still, but got confident enough I felt best with just running rondle with Still.

[slow violet]

Who do you feel is the hardest class to go against in the dudgeon 1 on 1 as a rogue?

[hollow root]

wizard with gear

[hollow root]

i play rupture /weakpoint and nothing gave me more trouble than a decent wizard who knew how to haste and spam fireball

[spark breach]

Lmao

[slow violet]

Yea, top tier wizards a rough one along with going against other top tier rogues.

[ancient coyote]

any games like this that can scratch that spot till the next play test?

[tender sundial]

If I might add my perspective, as a fighter I may have had a lot of situations where a high level rogue player had the jump on me, maybe had an advantage in the scenario, but always I was able to do a lot of damage to them or win the 1v1.

In comparison to high level wizard they were the hardest for me by far.

[bitter sundial]

I’m going to be trying Valheim. If you want a extract game, tarkov/the cycle, but Valheim seems very interesting in the survival aspect/leveling your character, PVE.

[slow violet]

Appreciate the insight, it honestly helps my plans for the next play test. I am hoping to laugh my head off if deaths stats of rouges and fighters, were most by wizard class lol.

[viscid chasm]

the cycle frontier is free but a completely different style

[ancient coyote]

yeah ive played tarkov2k hours/valheim, cycle sorta looks eh

[viscid chasm]

yup dnd is so much more fun 🥲

[tender sundial]

Personally I think there is a lot they can do to nerf the wizard but I think it's just inherently a very good class, team captains should probably main wizard.

[wanton tulip]

Do stats stack from both your weapon slots? Or does it have to be the weapon you are holding to apply those stats? Just curious cause i did not seem like i got any stat boots from any of my weapons slotted.

[runic warren]

You have to be holding said weapon to get the stat boosts from it

[errant saffron]

hey, is it possible to play the game solo rn? ive seen someone in vc yesterday playing and i wonder if thats possible for every ppl

[proven oak]

They weren't playing

They were showing replays

[errant saffron]

oh thats a shame

[ripe plume]

day 2 of crying after dark and darker playtest 3 ended

[atomic heron]

crying because its only been 2 days

[ripe plume]

dont worry we only need to wait 39 days 2 hours 18 minutes 57 seconds

[trim gust]

I run rupture if i had bad gear. But fully geared, i ran ambush with weakpoint. First stab on stiletto did 157 on dummies. And i was 1-2 shotting everyone. So it also depends on your playstyle. As a well used Hide or invis potion can let you easily win any fight. Found using invis pots to ambush first person then hiding on the body really did the job xD

[slow violet]

I respect that hard. I have no issue with wizards for now. Especially since I soloplay atm. So maybe the 3v3 have a real reason to have wizard nerfed. But they feel alright for me in the last playtest.

[trim gust]

If expedition agartha had a larger player base. Thats another medieval style extractor. But it has a averadge of 6-8 players a day due to no one knowing of the game.

[slow violet]

If desperate enough, but gameplay and reviews just really show it a waste of money in the long run.

[trim gust]

I feel that. Game would be enjoyable if larger player base. But its probly not worth the time for atleast a year or 2. It may become something by then.

[hollow root]

Does ambush work when coming out of invis with a pot?

[ripe merlin]

yuh

[crimson swan]

Are their plans to have a magic/safe bag/pouch added to the game? Something that could be bough for 1000+ gold that would allow you to save some items on death(only a few slots, enough for lockpicks/keys)

[proven oak]

Honestly not a bad idea as long as it doesn't go above a certain size as you said

imo 2x3 or even 2x4 is the maximum

(2x4 for the spear)

[slow violet]

My two cents, bad idea. The reason the game feels so suspenseful is because it is win all or lose all. You even moving in the direction of keep anything can end with keeping a super rare item. Which sucks if you risk going all on someone and they keep the very thing you wanted to have be your reward. Or another note justifying it is for something small 2x3 or lockpicks. Shows it is so small, there is no point in keeping it.

[proven oak]

You could limit it to trinkets

At least you'd get some pocket money to buy consumables

That'd be useful for beginners imo

That way you can't try to put some purple/legendary stuff in it and act as if you didn't care about dying

If it's limited to trinkets i think that could work

[slow violet]

So in that hypothetical, if they aren't good enough to get away with small amounts of gold. They by having that small amount of gold kept, will be able to grind at a snail pace to finally get one good item. Only to, very likely, lose it since it won't be a trinket they can keep and start all over. Again my two cents, from a complete stranger online, a bad idea and direction.

[proven oak]

The point is to buy a better gear so they can survive longer

Although knowledge & experience legit hold for , imo, 2/3 of the survival, items can still be helpful