q-and-a

[thick egret]

to keep the game open

more feedback

but i think keeping the game close has more pros

although i think it should have been kept open until jan3

cuz everyone is off rn

[urban badger]

hell yeah

so server wanna take off too?

its actually crazy how addicting it is

[glacial saffron]

well early access starts in Q2 this year so they are gonna have the servers up for atleast 4months before the game comes out

[urban badger]

i need to delet my memory of this game this is so painful

[burnt badger]

Can i suck some devs cock to play 1 hour more dad

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-eveything-all-i-give-more-the-best-that-i-can-john-krasinski-gif-15235747

[tall thunder]

honestly i just need to find a good game to keep me busy till april once the EA comes out ill be set for a year or 2 with this game XD

this is my new obsession

[lyric orbit]

<@&988703997378584596>

[low jolt]

What is it

[burnt badger]

I give you my whole body

And my gf

for 1 h more playtime

[outer sparrow]

uhh is the game still avaible to play

cuz people are playing it and i wanted to know

[peak grove]

whos playing it?

[orchid laurel]

TWITCH PPL R RUNNING RE RUNS

[little venture]

@muted onyx Lemme get an email to apply to ironmace, the icon on your websites bugged

[burnt badger]

@muted onyx will friendly fire always be enabled?

[weary orbit]

think of it like tarkov

[burnt badger]

I figured, but I wanted to ask because this isn’t Tarkov lol

[digital flower]

playing d&d thru video replays

coping so hard

[dark solstice]

Guys, how can I play the game? Is there any way to buy it?

So there's no way to play rn?

[prime venture]

is it planned by any chance enemies spawning randomly in the dungeons? (perhaps in the high roller dungeons)
so not in normal, because i think in normal it should have fixed spawns. But in the hard mode i'd like to see enemies changing of location, also to give some more replayability

[rose panther]

I really am hoping for another playtest before Feb, especially for those who spent money on the game

[burnt badger]

Why would you spend money on the game? What we’re u buying gold lmao??

[rose panther]

the skeleton skin/cosmetics

[unreal wagon]

That was in game currency

[primal canopy]

Huh? You earned the points for free.

[spark current]

Yeah, lol

[burnt badger]

That’s not real money…

[unreal wagon]

Goofball lmao

[spark current]

That's going to be gone next time you play

[glacial saffron]

dude nobody spent money it was ingame earnable currency

[unreal wagon]

I busted ass on that skelly skin though, hopefully races are vamped up on next release

[spark current]

I got the points up just having fun... I looked and saw, hey, I can buy this.

[dark solstice]

😭

[primal canopy]

I was stressing at the beginning but managed to be able to buy everything at the end. Funny enough, the skeleton skin debuff is horrible and the blue torch wasn’t super great so I didn’t use either lmao.

[unreal wagon]

Its gonna be a ball when the actual release goes out. Im so pumped

I think theyre gonna find some sort of nerf for ranger in some way. The default gear was probably the best out of any class and only downside was lack of melee item. Any thoughts?

[peak grove]

@muted onyx if warlock class happens, will we have patrons or more generic things?

[burnt badger]

no campfire and less movement speed and ranger is balanced

They said nerfs are the last thing on their mind rn so don’t hold ur breath

[dull meadow]

Q: Can you turn the playtest back on? I would like to join a high roller lobby

[burnt badger]

ik im dying to play

im so addicted

ill pay 250$ right now to play

[dull meadow]

i will meet you at the park for dark and darker roleplay for $250. what class do u want me to dress up as

[burnt badger]

thankfully i only have to wait 1 month for next playtest

[burnt badger]

i want u to be a ranger that i strafe around as rogue and kill

[dull meadow]

i wanna see u us invis pot irl

[burnt badger]

yu know why im not going mentally insane?

because my last match before servers closed was me as a naked rogue with red skele skin go in with basic kit solo and have purple and blue everything

killed 2 teams solo

[scenic nimbus]

whose feet do i have to sniff to get the play test to come back on?

[unreal wagon]

This game is the less overly complex and more beautiful version of tarkov we all craved

[granite dawn]

Drinking multiple health potions stack increasing heal over the time?

[cloud grotto]

if u drink potions of different rarity/healing then you get both effects stacked. for example a 19hp health pot and a 15 hp health pot can stack and you would get 34 hp

[granite dawn]

What about two 15hp health pots? Does that equal 30hp?

[cloud grotto]

no those effects will not stack

[granite dawn]

Interesting

[cloud grotto]

yeah same way works for shield potions

[green pivot]

Quick question? Do we wait until February ?

[neat minnow]

sadly of what i know yes

[gentle wave]

Someone needs to make a continuous alpha petition 😂

[burnt badger]

There’s been a lot that people are spamming but they started banning them earlier today because people were being obnoxious

[ember gate]

I mean, I get that they need time to make changes

And don't want to pay for the servers

[burnt badger]

there's already a thread in steam dnd discussion page, there were already 600+ replies when i saw it .. its still climbing..

[ember gate]

OKAY

IDEA

They start a donation page or something with goals

At like $5000 total they reopen the playtest for a month or smth

Or like $10000 maybe

[burnt badger]

it would likely have to be 50k-500k

[burnt badger]

the dev already replied to it and said thanks nuthing else

[stark jungle]

Is there a place to sign up for the next playtest or will servers just reopen?

[neat minnow]

@stark jungle pretty sure its gonna be open as it was now, all you do is request access and get it automatically

[stark jungle]

dub

my grades will not survive that week of playtesting

im lucky this playtest went into christmas break because i put 27 hours in 3 days into the game xD

[polar kettle]

When is the game back up again for playtesting?

[stark jungle]

Feb 6th

6 weeks exactly

[burnt badger]

oh he said there are thoughts on preorder, hopefully he does that and keep the servers open.

[polar kettle]

Yikes, Hogwarts releases around then 😂

[spice oxide]

Imagine this from a parents perspective.
Child: Mom can I have this toy?
Mom: No.
Child: Mom Can I have this toy? PLEEEAAASEEE.

This is everyone NOT listening to the developers, who said what they already said. It's not happening.
Quit being an annoying begging child and wait patiently.
They have a plan for us, and we should allow them to have their planned schedule.
Check #📢announcements for any updates. Or go to IronMace's twitter or any of their other official pages. Give them what they're asking for since they're giving us what we're asking for.

[primal canopy]

Based and Dev pilled.

[burnt badger]

Yeah and the child gets mad at the parents and never asks for the toy again....

[spice oxide]

Nah, the child will continually ask. That's why it's a child.

It's not "based and dev pilled"
I've worked on code before and understand it costs money for databases and servers.

[gentle wave]

@spice oxide he has a point though, the longer they wait the more the hype dies out

[primal canopy]

I was joking, I’m an animator, VFX, artist and 3D asset designer. I understand how the pipeline works. 😂

[spice oxide]

They have their plan, we are being children by not allowing them to do it their way. All of us demanding them to do it our way, proves my point about the child perspective and the parent perspective.

[spice oxide]

touche, I misinterpreted.

[primal canopy]

Gotta smoke more of that good Kush homie. ♥️

[spice oxide]

Not true. That's not how marketing works.

[spice oxide]

I'm wayyy too blitzed. lmao

[primal canopy]

Sheesh! Maybe that’s the issue!

[spice oxide]

100%

[primal canopy]

Nah all good. Don’t worry.

[gentle wave]

Smoke more you got sum up the dark side

[spice oxide]

Well, from a marketing perspective, they have their release dates laid out to us, and their planned early access. We have dates. We are complaining.

You know?

That's all I was saying, we made our point.

I want the play test extended too, but I also want the game to be developed properly and not swayed because of a bunch of people who demand it be the way they want it, and not the way it should be.

[ember gate]

The devs know what they're doing.

[spice oxide]

We can't overstress them. They have their hands full.

[ember gate]

Tell you what though, I'm going to be barely living up until February.

[spice oxide]

We all enjoy the game now right? Imagine what they can continue to provide for us every play test and have us grow with it's natural growth.

[spice oxide]

I feel this bro.

[ember gate]

And that week of February? Oh boy

My life will be in shamble

[spice oxide]

February is my birth-month. I can't be more excited.

counting the days

[ember gate]

Literally I will not recover from that playtest

My grades'll tank

[spice oxide]

It will go into Early Access in Q2 of 2023, so not too much longer gamers!

[burnt badger]

We'll see...

[spice oxide]

Well, that'd be a PR disaster.

Hence us giving them time. 🙂

The time they need.

I'm also pretty sure they're just going to do what they need to do anyway. However, I am in full support of waiting. lol

Imagine seeing a Druid and/or Necro next play-test?

That would be awesome.

[ember gate]

I think it'll be bard and druid?

[primal canopy]

We’re actually discussing the Druid in general chat.

[spice oxide]

I just realized that

[ember gate]

And I'm playing Bard for the meme

[spice oxide]

Also sorry for general chat here, I didn't realize this was q and a

[ember gate]

ooh

[primal canopy]

The other chats have cooldowns, feels bad man.

[spice oxide]

i hate it so much.

sorry, did the trolls ruin general chat for us?

^ lmao ❤️

[ember gate]

you can use #game-discussion

[mental shore]

Is there a way to play offline to learn the maps etc ? or will there eventually be a way to do so ? A another way to keep us busy while we wait , would love a offline mode i could play and report bugs etc .

[inland hedge]

Hey sooooo uhhhh open the play test back up... or let me pay for this game. 15 hours wasn't enough.

[burnt badger]

Nope keep it down til feb

[primal canopy]

Let them work on the game in peace.

[brave vale]

There isn't but some people have links / online screenshots of the map explained including the contents. I don't know who but you can most certainly find it online with a bit of looking around.

[real island]

#development has the maps posted without any details

[brave vale]

Correct, but weird to reply to me with that vs nammic. There's still online sources with the contents of the room gone over.

[sweet gulch]

are separate servers / private servers being considered? and if they are, will those servers have separate characters?

[burnt badger]

I think only servers for different languages is it if I remember correctly.

[glacial saffron]

Fighter, cleric, rogue best comp for early game pushing b3? thoughts

[burnt badger]

Fighter cleric wizard probably

[crude lantern]

change rogue for ranger, give the fighter a bow and you're gucci. You don't even need the cleric, just go 2 fighters 1 ranger or something

[glacial saffron]

you kinda need rogue though for the lockpick skill

[burnt badger]

Or just bring lock picks they’re not hard to find there’s always 1 in the library. And in the future merchants are going to sell them so

[crude lantern]

I'm gonna say this, cleric is a crutch for low skill

Not to say cleric isn't good

[glacial saffron]

yeah ofc but im thinking like early early next wipe

[crude lantern]

but the idea of cleric being mandatory is a little meh

[glacial saffron]

i mean if you go to hell every run it kinda seems a bit mandatory dont you think?

[crude lantern]

not really

Rangers got like 3 heals each

Bows are absurd at PvE

you can abuse PvE very well by just standing on something high

Cleric needs some more spells to be useful or close to mandatory

Wizard got some good spells this test, cleric needs some love

[glacial saffron]

wait which spells did wizard get this play test?

[crude lantern]

Icebolt, Lighting strike, chain lighting, light ball, ignite

probably something else

last test he had 5 spells only

[lyric bay]

Zap

[glacial saffron]

holy they got alot

[crude lantern]

fireball, volley, haste, invis, slow

[burnt badger]

If your plan is to fight bosses, cleric is just smart to have. But I agree they aren’t as needed, other classes could do just as fine like fighter, wizard, archer/rogue and just dps the hell out of them

[glacial saffron]

ahhh alrighty seems nice

tbf i dont think anyone in my team really wanna play cleric either xD

just wanna kill some dudes

[neat pond]

just now this game, so how do we farm items?

know*

[crude lantern]

huh?

[glacial saffron]

what? xD

ive read that message 3 times now and still dont understand it

[burnt badger]

You wanna slay out as a team, just go wizard barb and fighter. Ez as hell, but bosses yeah I’d definitely do wizard/fighter/ranger or rogue lol

[neat pond]

oops let me rephrase again, how do we gain new / better gears or armors or weapons from this game

[crude lantern]

You go to the hell level

[neat pond]

what i meant is i just know about this game's existence*

[crude lantern]

or you go high roller

and then hell level

or you kill mini-bosses

like Wraiths, Skeletal Champions

[burnt badger]

Yeah, high roller for gear. Normals for learning the game

[neat pond]

roger that.. 1 more question

p2w?

[crude lantern]

no

[neat pond]

pay to win game?

[glacial saffron]

there is also lockpick chests all over both maps where you can get purple even in normal map

[neat pond]

nice..

[crude lantern]

gear is basically random, like diablo 2

[glacial saffron]

pay to play

[burnt badger]

Nah highly unlikely, but we wont know til the game actually releases

[neat pond]

shall await this game release

trading allowed?

[crude lantern]

yes

there is a trading post

you pay something to join

[burnt badger]

Trading is extremely fun in this game imo

[crude lantern]

and then you can trade items but it's a bit hard

because it's like wow trade chat

but more cancerous

and less anal [Dirge] jokes

[burnt badger]

Very easy to make money on and flip items etc

[crude lantern]

@neat pond in short, this game is a hybrid between escape from tarkov and dungeons and dragons

[neat pond]

thanks for your kind reply.

[rain flame]

plz we need early access, even 100$ price plz

[wise dagger]

what does Q2 and Q4 translate into months?

[crude lantern]

Q1 Jan/Feb/March

Q2 is the next 3 months

[burnt badger]

Q4 is like October to December something like that

[crude lantern]

Q3 next 3 months

Q4 next 3 months

[still wigeon]

do solos have a fighting chance in this game? or is there just so many benefits to being in a team that solos cant fight back like in hunt showdown or tarkov?

[crude lantern]

They do but they have to be smart about stuff

[glacial saffron]

solos have a fighting chance yeah but it can be hard so you have to be skilled and most likely not take every fight

[still wigeon]

actually let me rephrase, what mechanics give solos a chance that are different from other games

[crude lantern]

Invis potions

[west socket]

solo with invis pots too easy

[crude lantern]

Turning off lights

[wise dagger]

so like early access would be available during april/may/june?

[crude lantern]

@wise dagger correct

[burnt badger]

It takes lots of practice and patience tho

[still wigeon]

wait you can turn off lights and plunge an area into darkness to rat in?

[crude lantern]

there is playtest planned for Feb 6th to Feb 13th

[wise dagger]

thanks!

[crude lantern]

@still wigeon yes you can

But

potions on your belt are visible

very visible

rogues have a perk to hide stuff on the belt

[still wigeon]

oooo

[crude lantern]

so dark rats are usually rogue players

[foggy prairie]

Is there a way to see in the dark or would you have to switch off of torch when you hear someone

[still wigeon]

ok honestly darkness and invis is enough to convince me to play cus im a hardcore solo only lol

[crude lantern]

No way to see in the dark except torchs and wizard light ball spell

See if you know what you're doing

you can solo

Cleric can go ham mode and just fuck people up

so can Barb

[foggy prairie]

I know a lot of solos will go rogue and completely naked so they're fast enough to just run away if they get something after them

[primal canopy]

Doesn’t seem like anybody here is being blunt with you. Solo play is pretty hard.

[crude lantern]

we didn't say it's easy

[primal canopy]

It’s absolutely a game catered towards teams.

[crude lantern]

but it is possible

[primal canopy]

It’s possible for sure.

I do solo cleric runs all the time.

[crude lantern]

as a person who was part of a three man party

only to die to a single barbarian

[still wigeon]

but is it fair?

[primal canopy]

No.

I would say no.

[still wigeon]

some games are completely anti solo

[crude lantern]

not anti solo no

[ember gate]

this is one of them tbh

[crude lantern]

skill issue

[primal canopy]

There are innate advantages to being in a group.

[still wigeon]

im getting mixed responses

[crude lantern]

see

[primal canopy]

Yeah I could see that.

[ember gate]

team play is way way easier, synergy between classes makes three people in a team better than 3 people solo

[crude lantern]

I have seen, have died to, solo players

Yes,, it easy to play as a party

[primal canopy]

I haven’t.

[crude lantern]

is guaranteed to succeed? no

[primal canopy]

Different experiences I suppose.

[crude lantern]

but it is easier to do

solo is harder to do

not impossible

[burnt badger]

You probably player a fighter or barb or something with armor lol

[crude lantern]

if you are skilled you can wipe teams

[ember gate]

one Dark and Darker player, three opinions lol

[foggy prairie]

I only ever played as solo and like 80% of deaths were to teams killing me. Soloing means hiding and running away as best as you can

[daring bison]

how are people playing the game?

[ember gate]

We aren't playtest just ended

[primal canopy]

They aren’t. The play test closed already.

We’re just shooting the shit.

[burnt badger]

They are watching replays of streams

[primal canopy]

This

[crude lantern]

im not

[daring bison]

someone is streaming in vc

[primal canopy]

It’s a replay.

[daring bison]

bruh

[still wigeon]

also one question about pvp clips, how come it's just swinging a weapon without blocking or parry mechanics?

[crude lantern]

well some weapons have a block

but the swing of your weapon in this game is important

[primal canopy]

It’s kind of janky and old school.

[crude lantern]

because the path of your swing does the damage

so you can hit 3 people in 1 swing

[primal canopy]

You should give it a shot next play test.

[crude lantern]

or your swing can go over a shield

[primal canopy]

It’s a fun game, form your own opinion.

[crude lantern]

Shields can block

some weapons can block, but not as effective

and Longsword has a counter hit after block i think

or something

never tried it

[burnt badger]

It’s a tough game tho, and you will rage and die a lot. So just remember that, and having friends to play with will always make it more enjoyable and if u can’t find none there’s channels in this server to help find ppl for next play test

[still wigeon]

it sounds incredibly original compared to other games so im excited

[primal canopy]

It is for sure, and has tons of players for that exact reason.

[crude lantern]

where were you for the last week or so

we had like 8+ days of gameplay

[still wigeon]

i just found the game like 15 mintues ago

[crude lantern]

rip

Yea, it's super fun and addictive

DnD mixed with Tarkov

[leaden dust]

best part is, me personally as a heavy(HEAVY) rager when it comes to multiplayer games i actually found this game quite mellow and even when i found myself dying over and over i tended to laugh rather than getting pissed at the game

[still wigeon]

i wanted so much to love tarkov but everything is way too scuffed and squads dominate every server

[crude lantern]

i never had the scuffed experience you are describing

yes, you get Tarkoved some times

[still wigeon]

worst hit reg in the history of gaming

[crude lantern]

by getting head eyes by a random ai scav

[burnt badger]

Actually I did too, only cause I learned to accept that that’s what the game is and not to get attached to loot. You’re meant to go in and get loot, or go in and lose. Either way u will get more loot in the end

[still wigeon]

I'm A3 in valo so it's not like my aim is bad

[crude lantern]

didnt have this issue for 2 wipes

[fallow jacinth]

How is the team feeling about the feedback? Did they have any prediction that the game would gain this much positive attention?

[crude lantern]

not initially no, they got overwhelmed on the first play test

gonna give you some interviews with devs to watch

fun stuff

[burnt badger]

Squads will always dominate solos. You will 99:100 times lose against an actually decent team as a solo. That’s just how it is

[fallow jacinth]

With good reason, I haven’t liked a game this much in a while.

[crude lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9UpmeHDgIc - 2 playtests ago dev interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_tYY0B3OrA - this playtest interview with pestily and devs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKULTFV9HRM - 2 playtests ago but had more juciy info

[crude lantern]

skill issue

[burnt badger]

Really? That’s not what the top leaderboard players say lmfao

TheSpudHunter is a solo ranger he’s a good example

[crude lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dark+and+Darker+solo

Solo Barb

Solo Wizard

Solo Rogue

yes, less common

[fallow jacinth]

I solod as everything but wiz because of skill gap

[crude lantern]

but not 99/100

[burnt badger]

That’s a YouTube video. Did u happen to watch any streams and see how it is in real time lol?

99:100 if the team is good I said

[crude lantern]

my brother in christ

what do you think a youtube video is?

[fallow jacinth]

Soloing was more difficult but I wiped teams, it’s just about tactics.

[burnt badger]

Cuts of a whole day worth of playing

[vague lodge]

What is your expectation though?
Should it not be the way that - on an even skill level - numbers always have the advantage?

If the Solo is better, he wipes the team

[fallow jacinth]

Exactly

[crude lantern]

agreed

[burnt badger]

No it absolutely should be that way

[vague lodge]

If the team is better they wipe the solo

[burnt badger]

Squads should always dominate that’s what I said 😂

[crude lantern]

but they don't

and they won't

[vague lodge]

Think thats a common principle.

[burnt badger]

Then he said I was bad cuz of that

[crude lantern]

i said it's a skill issue

[burnt badger]

Same thing

[vague lodge]

Vice versa: I f a squad gets killed by a solo, the solo isnt op.

Its a squad skill issue.

[crude lantern]

which is a meme phrase used in this discord

[burnt badger]

It’s a meme phrase used everywhere

[crude lantern]

here it's better though

[low flower]

whats the highest roll of + all attributes you've seen?

[crude lantern]

3

[primal canopy]

+3 is the best stat line in the game.

[glacial saffron]

i got a +3 strenght +3 all attributes amulet damn it was nice

[low flower]

and such can roll on anything yeah? I just wanna imagine in fear at what a fighter with 45 all attributes can do.

[burnt badger]

I’d be scared to use that lmfao

[glacial saffron]

xD

[crude lantern]

on any item but in higher places

I mean like, hell or high roller + hell

[burnt badger]

can you riposte a barbarian's axe with the longsword?

[glacial saffron]

well getting that nightclub would be soo hard and expensive as fuck where as a normal geared player with purples and legendary would still easily have a fighting chance

[burnt badger]

If he swings overhead yea I believe u can

[low flower]

Surely, but tell me what is the function of a riposte?

[burnt badger]

As long as the strike isn’t a jab animation

It’s like an immediate strike after blocking

riposte = block and immediatly attack afterwards

[low flower]

in how short of a time window?

[crude lantern]

i have never seen a riposte work

[burnt badger]

Very quick

[crude lantern]

or done it

[burnt badger]

And if u hit the first you can sometimes strike again

[low flower]

I've seen that it grants a damage bonus on the long sword section of the character sheet.

[burnt badger]

https://youtu.be/x1Ov3CGKOBw

chivarly 2 has a lot of riposte

That’s the link to the riposte in the game

If u don’t trust it just YouTube dark@and darker riposte and it’s the first one

riposte is a very cool mechanic

[crude lantern]

oh wow

that fucking hit in the throat

[burnt badger]

It is, I main ranger but thought of switching to fighter to use longbow longsword for riposte

[low flower]

You have to hit block twice to send the attack?

[burnt badger]

yeah

[crude lantern]

yes, 2nd block press will trigger the riposte

[glacial saffron]

dude i swear the animation of a player dying is the best part of the game i love it

[low flower]

Interesting.

[burnt badger]

Yeah they have to connect with the sword then u right click again and it should riposte

[crude lantern]

Oh

you can hold block

let it connect

then tap block and riposte

[low flower]

There was one time where I ragdolled an enemy to the opposite wall of a room.

[burnt badger]

Then if u do it correctly u could@potentially riposte a second time immediately after the first

i really recommend chivalry 2 for the riposte and counter game

you really get the feel of your weapon

[low flower]

Nah, Mordhau.

[crude lantern]

yeah

Mordhau

[glacial saffron]

like that video you linked ghrizjinn, where the player dies and he just falls to the ground it looks soo satisfying

[crude lantern]

fuck chivalry

epic store sellouts

[burnt badger]

I know right 😂 satisfying and amusing as hell lol

i like chivalry tho

[low flower]

War maul served me well this test run, did a few one taps with the chances I had to use one.

[still wigeon]

is there extract camping in this game?

[burnt badger]

nope

[low flower]

Chiv may have the cinematics in the bag, but customization and combat system itself, hot garbage.

[burnt badger]

would be too op

[crude lantern]

possible

[burnt badger]

Makes you wonder what other mechanics are hidden in the game tho rn we don’t know about

this game will be the most popular when it releases, change my mind

[glacial saffron]

trueee

[low flower]

Devs just need to contain the tests release to trickle feed the addictive grasp they have on us.

[glacial saffron]

ofc it will its like that with any game

[low flower]

So after watching that video ,a perfect riposte combo will be hold, contact, swing swing, all by pressing right click on time?

[glacial saffron]

well there is test in february and then some more before Q2 where the early access starts where you can play till Q4 so its not long before we get a shit ton og Dark and darker :D

[burnt badger]

There’s no telling with this game, something could go wrong in one of the next play tests and push people away, or something crazy could happen and pull more in. Who mnows

i will buy early access in an instant

[low flower]

I just hope I can keep my skele and torch skins.

[crude lantern]

No, wiped

[low flower]

phuq

[burnt badger]

early access stuff will be permanent i think

You can’t they are gone

Yeah ea stuff will but the play test stuff wont

[low flower]

I got everything, just for it to be whisked away in the wind.

[glacial saffron]

With this gem of a game it will be hard but sadly possible dont jinx it xD

[burnt badger]

True:/ I think a early play test skin would be dope to show off in the future state of the game haha

Nah I think with how dedicated the dev team is and their responses during the qna today. It’s very clear their only care is to@make this game perfect. Nothing else

ironmace doesn't want this game to be full of micro, as of now.. i guess

i have no problem with micro, but i don't want them to be encroaching

[low flower]

I just want my strawberry calcium spooky boi.

[glacial saffron]

They said that their most attractive marketing strategy for now is box price + dlcs

[burnt badger]

So wonder what they could add in the future. Orc skin with +20 armor -20 magic resist lol

[crude lantern]

i prefer they make races a la wow or well... a la dnd at least

not just skins

[glacial saffron]

dude im hyped for the other skill tree we saw. Seems like a prestige system or something like that

[burnt badger]

Yeah I have no idea how the cosmetics would work

Yeah I’d love to see some@of that tree this next play test

[low flower]

Im sure you all noticed the tier quality of an item already changes its appearance.

[burnt badger]

they roll out new stuff pretty fast, or is it just my feeling @burnt badger

so... are +2% speed/damage whatever and alike better than +3 str ? and if yes, then why

[crude lantern]

1% move speed bonus is 3 movespeed

[burnt badger]

Not sure tbh, just started this playtest cuz my gf wouldn’t play with me@on the last one but will now 💀 so we been grinding since this last play test lol

[crude lantern]

because your base movespeed is 300

[low flower]

Depends on the stat being attributed to, as they all scale differntly.

[burnt badger]

ooooh

so if I find gear that gives me 10% move speed, that'd give me 30?

[low flower]

Thats another thing, what is 100%, and where in the equation does this percentage lie?

[burnt badger]

it's always nice to play with someone, i laughed so much in these past days

I’d say take anything with +% damage roles and + to all attributes over all

[crude lantern]

you have base stats. % affects those

[burnt badger]

all atributes preety hecking cool

[burnt badger]

Shiiit, I’d never seen my gf rage so bad and force me@back into another game to try and get her revenge lol

Hilarious

[low flower]

I might be in delerium, but I could have sworn I saw + all attributes go up to 5.

[burnt badger]

the haste spell of the wizard is looking nice

I’ve seen 3 is all and I spent a lot of time@in the trade chat looking at items to flip for money hahaha

the afterimage effect is what i like about it

But that doesn’t make it impossible

Nah I hate wizards 😡

[low flower]

A crystal sword and destruction school wizard is my favorite.

[desert remnant]

Crystal sword sucked so bad though

[burnt badger]

I was watching this lady play on twitch run fire enchant and daggers and would cast haste and invisibility then fire enchant on her weapon and destroy EVERYONE

[desert remnant]

Looked cool, but was just... bad to cast with

[low flower]

cap, gambeson, light foots, heavy leathers, and riveted. Nah Breh it was great, especially with ignite.

[desert remnant]

Its animations were poor for its damage. You're much better off with a dagger

[burnt badger]

cast haste on a barb + rage

[desert remnant]

And daggers can double up on the extra stats

[low flower]

ok but sword magic damage scaling with will.

[burnt badger]

Ignite dagger spec was disgusting. Literally melted everyone

i would love to see a spin attack

[glacial saffron]

i really feel like they should remove the ability for mages to stealth themselves seems weird that the mage is a better version of rogue xD

[low flower]

stealth, ignite, haste, stab.

[burnt badger]

I don’t mind the stealth. I think fireball is all that needs severely nerfed

https://tenor.com/view/noelle-genshin-genshin-impact-spin-spinning-gif-20932498

[lost jetty]

haste invis ignite on barb while you sit in the other room looting

[burnt badger]

barb spin attack

[desert remnant]

Yeah, the only problem with wizard stealth is that its far better than rogue.
I wish they took some of the burst from rogue, and let them move

[burnt badger]

Yeah they should have done a blink/tp instead of invis

[low flower]

oh gawd no.

[desert remnant]

Nah, the invis is good. If anything rogue needs changes

Rebalance, not buffs.

[burnt badger]

And I may be saying this cuz I used to play wow a lot. But a sap/stun for the rogue would be incredible. Come across a 3 man and sap one and fighter the other two

[desert remnant]

Fuck no.

[burnt badger]

Obviously it would have to be made correctly cuz it could be too good

[low flower]

okay but this isnt an MMORPG

[desert remnant]

Wow is built on everyone having extremely strong abilities. This shouldnt be that

[burnt badger]

That’s why I said it’s my inner wow player 💀 smh

[glacial saffron]

well as of now mage is better at stealth than rogue so either nerf the mage, buff the rogue or remove the stealth. And no one wants rogues to be buffed xD

[desert remnant]

Noone wants rogue to be buffed, but they can move around the kit so strength is consistant

[burnt badger]

i love fighter, the class has a bit of everything

Rogues ain’t bad at all. All classes are balanced except wizard

[glacial saffron]

They cant move around the kit without buffing it to make rogue the primary stealthy character

yeah 100p

[burnt badger]

As it should be tho

[low flower]

There are two types of fighters, true fighters and flexible boys that can play any class.

[remote blaze]

I don't think the invis is fair on the mage. In my opinion it should be removed.

[glacial saffron]

mages needs some touching

[lost jetty]

invis on wiz is pretty weird ngl, could be replaced with a short blink or spell shield

[desert remnant]

I mean, they can. Remove 50% out of stealth, or require it to scale in stealth. Move stealth to move slowly, or fast with perk. Rogues will be relatiely the same, but less one shot potential

[burnt badger]

There needs to be some sort of cc in this game on a class tho..

Cc when it comes to pvp

[low flower]

No one enjoys crowd control in pvp

[desert remnant]

Rogues are only strong because they use all buttons at once, including stealth as purely a damage CD

[burnt badger]

the francisca lil axe slowed people when hit?

💀💀💀

[glacial saffron]

yeah so nerfing mage basically

[desert remnant]

That has nothing to do with wizard though?

Thats purely rogue's kit

[burnt badger]

Hunter traps are a form of cc so what are u on about?

[glacial saffron]

wait you are saying nerf rogues? or what im confused

why change rogues stealth mechanics for the worse?

[lost jetty]

people can't differentiate mages and rouges because mages rn are just glorified rouges

[desert remnant]

Sure they are. But they are only cc if you're blind

[remote blaze]

Did mages have the slow ability in this play test?

[desert remnant]

Yes

[shrewd heron]

They had slow, but it's not worth much

[burnt badger]

Uh I believe so, but it was so useless nobody ran it

[remote blaze]

How much in % did it slow?

[desert remnant]

40%

[lost jetty]

40% slow for 2s

[brittle dune]

cleric had bind which was their only debuff

[burnt badger]

take wizard out of game

[remote blaze]

yeah that is pretty bad

[burnt badger]

If you got in range and hit him with it lol

[crude lantern]

skill issue

[glacial saffron]

Why? That will require rogues to have one perk designated just for this and remove some damage from them when they dont need a nerf in the slightest?

[burnt badger]

💀😂

[burnt badger]

fr

[lost jetty]

you can get a lot more spacing by just casting haste which lasts 12s on you and sheathing your weapon

[desert remnant]

None of that is a nerf. Its shifting power from straight up damage, to rogue stuff.

[lost jetty]

than to use slow

[burnt badger]

Still believe that fireball is all that should be nerfed on wizard

[desert remnant]

Making rogue's extra damage conditional would be good for the game. Right now, rogue walk up and 1 taps you if geared.

[burnt badger]

Nerfed

[still epoch]

Ok but magic missile though

[glacial saffron]

which would still be a worse stealth than mages which can run and jump while stealth for longer than rogue. Also the only thing rogue has over other classes is burst damage up close

[brittle dune]

step 1) only fireball wizard run any%
step 2) blow yourself up

[desert remnant]

Sure. But is a rogue 1 tapping most players really ok?

[glacial saffron]

cant 1 tap good geared players

[burnt badger]

Magic missile has to be cast while standing still and isn’t super fast so it can be out maneuvered as long as ur not standing in his face..

[still epoch]

Cant you stack a bunch of perks to get like an instant cast time?

[burnt badger]

Exactly it’s chaotic and hurts everyone even the user lol 💀

[low flower]

"Nerf fireball" he says, meanwhile other teams be tanking my direct hits.

[crude lantern]

wizard has quick cast ability

[brittle dune]

Wizards have a perk that gives them instant casting however they have to give up meditate for that which is dumb

[lost jetty]

with %phys reduc gears you can outlive rouges for a decent amount of time, nevermind if you're fighting a buffed up barb

[burnt badger]

Yeah I think it basically is instant so it is tough

[glacial saffron]

i played rogue all test and the highest strenght build i had at once had like 26 strenght and a purple stiletto which could 2 shot people but that build was hella expensive and i doubt i met players with same "grade" gear

[crude lantern]

@brittle dune not a perk

an ability

[shrewd heron]

Rogue is not one-tapping you with anything short of an absolute god set, in which any other class would have one-tapped you long ago

[still epoch]

Nah I mean like the "Decrease casting time of arcane spells by 1 sec"

And thern there's also quick casting that decreases it by 20% more

[desert remnant]

Rogue with gear 1 taps geared players. Daggers can get 40 damage. +2 damage on each gear (with no other scaling), and you get basically 20 damage, for 60.
60+50%+50%+30%=140 damage no headshot.

[brittle dune]

yeah meant that got the wording mixed up

[burnt badger]

Bro u got a stick in ur ass, u can just ignore me if u don’t like what I say.. don’t have to talk shit every time I say something 😂

[desert remnant]

Headshot brings that up to 210?

[low flower]

I said 1 thing.

[desert remnant]

How much armour is realistic?

[low flower]

30-40%?

[desert remnant]

Yeah, id say so.

[remote blaze]

my fighter had a max of 40% phys reducing

[glacial saffron]

well you are talking rogue bis gear basically. against other bis gear is 60% max damage reduction

with total max

[desert remnant]

That isnt really bis though. Thats 1 perk on each piece

Which is obtainable.

[burnt badger]

Is it phys or magic or both? I’m confused I guess

I musta missed something

[desert remnant]

Physical

[glacial saffron]

weak point doesnt apply on first hit only second hit

[desert remnant]

Weak point doesnt reduce armour for first hit.

[glacial saffron]

you hit one dude and he is then weakened for second hit

[desert remnant]

But it does the bonus damage

[low flower]

which means you can use weakpoint with a throwing knife no prob.

[desert remnant]

No, you weak point for the extra damage, not the armour reduction

Its 50% bonus damage for the attack

It helps for 2hit as well i guess.

But being realistic, if you're 1 tapping most players in the game with decent gear, and 2 tapping max gear... thats too strong.

[burnt badger]

What was the go to weapons for a geared rogue anyways? I didn’t play much nor watch much on them

[desert remnant]

2 daggers, the one with the stab offhand

Mh doesnt matter

[brittle dune]

I do wonder how the game will be once its out, theres a skill tree and stats aren't reset every week so if you are starting out against a lobby full of players with max trees and got tier weapons

[low flower]

rondel and stilleto, gambeson, cap, lightfoot, riveted, whatever pants.

[acoustic trench]

I think blink would be super clunky with the game engine and would be hard to make it balanced, would either be total ass or be way too good. spell shield is kind of an entirely different mechanic and not at all a replacement for invis. I think wizard invis is in an ok spot honestly.

[desert remnant]

Yeah. Loads of balance changes till then. We'll see though

[burnt badger]

I mean the dev said flying wasn’t to far fetched in the game lol. So we will see

[glacial saffron]

where did you get the +30% damage from?

[brittle dune]

we morrowind now bby
can't wait for my cleric to get divine intervention

[lost jetty]

we kinda already have blink in the game in the form of ghost king so I wouldn't say its that out there

[burnt badger]

Idk what we’re y’all’s thought on rangers? I main one but would like to hear y’all’s opinions

[glacial saffron]

is there a reason to dual wield daggers?

[remote blaze]

i tought dual wield was ass

[low flower]

plenty of reasons, even with non-statted weapons.

[glacial saffron]

why?

[low flower]

Attack pattern, larger combo set, more attacks per second.

[glacial saffron]

-10 speed

[remote blaze]

is it just a stat stick ?

[glacial saffron]

oh more attacks per second what?

[low flower]

it is a lorge stat stick.

[acoustic trench]

an AI using a telegraphed aoe blink strike in an open space is totally different to players trying to use a pure mobility blink in narrow hallways full of mobs or other players

[remote blaze]

ah okay. so u take the movespeed penalty, but get the stats from the off hand

[low flower]

You see that stat roll on one item in your hand? Double it.

[burnt badger]

How does that work? I guess why does that work

[low flower]

Or something else, you know how rng can be.

[desert remnant]

50% from weak point, 50% from stealth perk, 30% backstab (which works on headshots)

[burnt badger]

I’m still learning these stat things… they are so very confusing to me lol

[low flower]

Like, a spell capacity rodel dagger and a armor penetration ball or some other off stat cross synergy work perfectly with each other.

[desert remnant]

Also dual weild has different attack patterns. The offhand daggers were, for the mostpart, better

[lost jetty]

but it exists thats the point something that moves an entity into a specified spot
the targeting system could even be the same with lightning strike

[glacial saffron]

so you wouldnt just spam left or right click?

[low flower]

Heres the thing, you can hold both buttons down in most cases.

[burnt badger]

Then get stuck in the animation

[desert remnant]

You mostly use one or the other depending on situation. Both daggers would have different attack patterns for different situations. It wasnt ideal for sure, but thats how the game was

[low flower]

Also fighter has a 7% attack speed increase perk for duel wield.

[glacial saffron]

yeah okay

[burnt badger]

I feel like the only time you need to spam if from the back. Otherwise u should be utilizing poison and timing ur strikes instead of spamming ever

[desert remnant]

Id mostly right click hold, because i preferred offhand patterns. But sometimes mainhand

[remote blaze]

I played fighter most of the play test and i didnt use dual wield once. I was a longsword andy 🤣

[burnt badger]

Longsword ftw

[low flower]

I liked shields, they blocked magic missles.

[desert remnant]

Yeah, fighter had no reason to dual lol

Only 2 weapons to use as well, that werent daggers. Axe and something else?

[remote blaze]

The second attack on longsword felt really good to hit

[desert remnant]

Oh yeah. Super satisfying

[low flower]

hatchet.

[desert remnant]

So axe and axe lol

[burnt badger]

May as well play barb

Then just run felling and one shot ppl

[low flower]

Let the ranger use the hatchet.

[burnt badger]

😂

[desert remnant]

The reason you'd play fighter is for better abilities and bow

Barb had terrible abilities

[low flower]

well fighters dont use the weapon mastery perk anymore.

[burnt badger]

Barb does have shitty abilities sadly

[low flower]

We use crossbows now.

[desert remnant]

No way, i still used weapon master

[shrewd heron]

Bows are still a good option

[remote blaze]

Why? i used the weapon mastery perk always

[low flower]

with the 20% debuff?

[desert remnant]

20% is fine

[burnt badger]

That heavy crossbow is insane on a fighter

[desert remnant]

For the utility of said weapons.

[remote blaze]

Being able to use a bow is insane on fighter

[desert remnant]

Heavy crossbow is pretty meh. You miss, you die

Its not the same as bow pressure

[crude lantern]

just dont miss

[burnt badger]

Especially since the arrow pierces on the heavy crossbow

[low flower]

breh, thats 20% on top of your enemys armor

[remote blaze]

the one with the long reload time?

[desert remnant]

Ueah

[shrewd heron]

bring throwables

[burnt badger]

You don’t die, you still have ur longsword 😂

[torn sun]

what are the best spells to take on wizard? in your opinion(s)

[dense island]

I think the 20% damage reduction is only really a big detriment against other fighters, considering how high they can get their armor values

[low flower]

Heater, Falchion, crossbow. Ready for anything fighter.

[lost jetty]

I read somewhere you can bounce chain lightning off dead bodies?

[remote blaze]

I like to run a shield on fighter, but longsword will still be my fav 😄

[low flower]

Me, playing a wizard, "dont get infront of me dontgetinfrontofmedontgetinfrontofmedontgetinfrontofme", meanwhile, the barb, who proceeds to get infront of me that just got a chain lightning in his back.

[desert remnant]

Yeah, anyone complaining about the 20% is kidding themselves. You never use that as your main weapon anyways

Its always an alt weapon.

[burnt badger]

Yeah I feel like when playing with a barb as a wizard ur best bet is to run ignite dagger spec

[lost jetty]

you don't understand, the barb is there so you can get an easy CL off the enemy team

[desert remnant]

Bows are huge

[hoary lichen]

Do you prevent to add a competitive mode ?

[low flower]

But Darknesse, the warmaul and bardiche.

[desert remnant]

What about them?

[remote blaze]

i used bows mostly for pve, and to get poke in, in pvp.

[low flower]

those are non-fighter innate primaries.

[desert remnant]

Yeah, thats basically my experience.

Then dont use them as your primary weapon as fighter?

[low flower]

but, bonk.

[desert remnant]

Sure, then dont complain about the 20% loss lol. Its fun for sure

[burnt badger]

Heavy crossbow is still the go to, then run heater falchion or longsword

[low flower]

if youre gonna give me "there are alternatives" aregument, I'll give it right back to you.

[desert remnant]

Im not saying you should change. Id likely run that with a swprd and board

But if i was going to math it, id always use longsword bow

[remote blaze]

I would run longbow or the small crossbow

[low flower]

Standard crossbow bangs well enough.

[burnt badger]

Understandable. I just prefer the chance to 1 shot if I get the headshot or get a huge damage shot off

[low flower]

Hol up what are the damage rolls for a standard and windlass crossbow?

[desert remnant]

I saw a windlass with 80 damage

[low flower]

Hang on I can check this theres someone updating the wiki.

[burnt badger]

I also enjoy it because it will pierce through people into people behind them

[glacial saffron]

i feel like they should add a indicator on when you kill someone like red crosshair for a second

they already have kill feed

but it feels clunky to have to watch it

[low flower]

meh

Just watch your enemys body fall

[desert remnant]

The windlass is so much fun, i just didnt feel like it was good in 3v3. Felt like often enough, theyd just rush in or we'd trade cleric spells

[remote blaze]

The reload time tho. it is so long.

[glacial saffron]

you cant always

[burnt badger]

That’s fair, as a ranger I like to run longbow and crossbows from time to time

[glacial saffron]

and it doesnt have to be big or anything

just make the already in the game crosshair red for 1 second or less after killing somebody

[desert remnant]

Nah, dont need kill recognition

[glacial saffron]

there literally already is

just a wacky version

of kill feed

[desert remnant]

No kill feed in high roller

[burnt badger]

I personally don’t have an issue with that. My biggest issue is idk if it’s my headset or if im just schitzo lmfao but when I’m near a torch I constantly feel like I hear footsteps around me

[low flower]

Lets see here, a standard crossbow, that is innate to fighter and doesnt get the 20% damage nerf at lets say unique quality to get the largest difference does 70 damage while the windlass that is ranger specific does 80.

the debuff of the fighter perk brings the windlass down to 64 damage.

Just use the normal crossbow.

[burnt badger]

No idea, watched Orlanthi the rank 1 in the kill tournament and he ran the windlass and longsword

Videos on YouTube

[low flower]

Was this before the perk nerf?

[burnt badger]

I actually am not sure, I just saw the video today on that. Like I said I’m a ranger main

Let me@see

Oh yeah it definitely was. I didn’t see that

This was from a month ago my b 💀

[low flower]

Im boutta toss the windlass into the space whale sea.

[burnt badger]

Rush what’re ur thought on rangers?

[low flower]

Big support, big fun, I went phuqin sicko mode with the spear perk one match.

They just kept coming, and my team and I cleared the lobby in under 3 minutes.

[burnt badger]

I like the spears but idk if it’s worth using over the other perks 😭

[uncut basalt]

where do you make suggestions? the tab for it is gone for me

[desert remnant]

Fun times

[low flower]

The spear perk is 100% worth.

[desert remnant]

Yeah, spear is so good. They are just rare

They were still good after nerfs too

[burnt badger]

I truly just don’t know which perk you’d get rid of tho to use it. The 5% damage buff with bows ig

[low flower]

Hell, my ranger isnt specilized, I keep crossbow, spear, bow speed, and ranged weapon damage perks on him.

[desert remnant]

5% damage isnt worth

Its just not that much

Trading that for the ability to trade melee is super worth it

[burnt badger]

See i wasn’t sure if I could tell the difference lmfao

[low flower]

to bad spear can only block horizontal attacks.

[desert remnant]

It really only matters if it reduces ttk. More often than not, it doesnt

[burnt badger]

I’ll have to practice with spears more then that’s for sure

[desert remnant]

Spears are super easy

Second best weapon in the game imo

[low flower]

If by practice you mean hold the button down and aim for the head, sure.

[burnt badger]

Yeah but I tend to do that for to long, and either keep striking so I can’t maneuver cuz I was spamming or they get too close to me by that time and I’m hitting them with the wood part of the spear lmfao

It’s definitely a skill issue there for me

[low flower]

What I hated about ranger this play test was the arrow delay, there was a space in time between loosing an arrow and when it would start to fly that shafted my target tracking.

[burnt badger]

When I get adrenaline hittin my ass I definitely spam way to hard and long Lmfaoo

Yeah I honestly can’t compare it to the way it was before this was my first playtest

[desert remnant]

I wasnt a fan of ranger really, but i didnt get much chance to play it

With 4 perk im sure it would have been great

[low flower]

I 20'd out all 6 classes.

[desert remnant]

Yeah, i 20d 4, but didnt want to play barb, and didnt want to play 2x ranger

[low flower]

But nah on gah no cap something was phuqy with shooting bows.

[desert remnant]

Most time spent playing cleric and fighter

The cleric clear speed was too good

But wizard was by far the most fun

[low flower]

Either a battle wizard or a rogue wizard.

[burnt badger]

We’re u guys solo mostly or trips or what?

[low flower]

mix, when I'm with a team I play flank/security position.

Solo on the other hand, a leisurely stroll.

[burnt badger]

Yeah see I had to sit here and try and learn for me and my girlfriend. My girlfriend being someone who mainly plays Pokémon or animal crossing ffs lol.. but she got an interest in this and my god the amount of damage she did to me over this playtest lmfao

Otherwise I just played solo ranger whenever I could

[desert remnant]

Exclusively 2s

And mostly battle wizard, because its hard to play rogue wizard im a group.

Our 3rd was a fighter. Constantly blocked shots, couldnt dodge more than a few AI hits in a row, ect

[burnt badger]

Rogue wizard being like ignite dagger right?

[desert remnant]

Was more fun to play as 2 lol

Not necessarily.

Use stealth to get kills. Dagger ignite requires more setup, its mostly haste stealth missles

[glacial saffron]

mage has: Best stealth ingame, can buff himself and team, can debuff enemies, have really high aoe dps and easy abilities to land. it is just crazy

[burnt badger]

Ahh so like what moonmoon was running. Not sure if u watch twitch lol

[glacial saffron]

like with archer you have to be good at hitting somewhat

[low flower]

I wanna meet the person responsible for driving the survival bow into the ground.

[burnt badger]

Survival bow😭 I couldn’t imagine that ever being good from what I experienced this playtest

@low flower wait so when u played ranger this run. Did u use the triple shot and multi arrow or triple shot and rashions?

[low flower]

trip and hot pockets.

[burnt badger]

I didn’t try the multi arrow I heard a lot of mixed things. Either it was super op or it was horrible

[low flower]

horrible, the spread was so bad it was basically a dangerous melee attack.

[burnt badger]

That’s what I heard. You only used it when people were in ur face then it did big dam

guys what to do now that playtest is over? life lost all meaning

Play For The King

[low flower]

imma try to get into rust.

[glacial saffron]

Well the spread is insane for close range fights

can one shot people trying to run you down

[burnt badger]

Yeah, but is it worth losing the free heals?

[low flower]

I still got warframe to play on the daily.

[burnt badger]

Shit I ain’t played that in a loooong time

[glacial saffron]

thats the thing yeah

i guess if you got plenty of money for heals it should be

[burnt badger]

Maybe if u run cleric?

W/

[low flower]

loosing out on extra meds for the miss shot? Pass.

[glacial saffron]

im thinking like if you got a shit ton of healing items

[low flower]

if you have a shit ton of healing items, you're doing something wrong.

[burnt badger]

I usually ran 3 healin pots 3 bandages and grabbed a shield pot for my runs

[low flower]

Lets see here, ranger has camp, torch, traps, you should be bringing in prot pots and banages at least.

[glacial saffron]

what no? high roller always a shit ton of healing and if you are just looking to win some fights and dont care about gold it is good too

[untold wedge]

Is fhe alpha test still going on? I read on steam that the test ended yesterday but i also read it got prolonged?

[low flower]

You can make room for explosion bottles or a pick axe.

[burnt badger]

Yeah it’s over til feb 6

[untold wedge]

Damn, i am too late 🙂

Thanks for rhe answer

[glacial saffron]

when i do highroller with very good gear i bring like 9 pots and 6 bandages with some shield pots for rogue

[burnt badger]

I didn’t get to do much high roller sadly so

Didn’t feel comfortable running it solo and gf was too scared to lol

[glacial saffron]

with a gold cost of around what 80-90 gold is big worth when you gear is worth 2k or more

[frosty dragon]

Paladins when?

[burnt badger]

October

[glacial saffron]

yeah i dont even think i would play this game if i didnt have mates to play with. would be too scared no cap xD

[burnt badger]

Yeah gear fear as a solo definitely got me good lmfao

[frosty dragon]

what really?

[lost jetty]

it was pretty easy getting into games with randos in the lfg channels

[burnt badger]

I have no idea that’s when supposed launch date is supposed to be around so

[glacial saffron]

they dont have specific launch date only stated its planned for Q4 2023

[burnt badger]

Yeah but I get off work and my girl wants it to be me and her so🤷‍♂️ i was shit outta luck there lmao

I’m still learning how to get over gear fear tho.. I only experienced that shit once in tarkov and I barely played that game at all. Same with this game, I get something good I’m too scared to bring it in the game just to lose it

So I gotta work on that shit

[crude lantern]

gear fear doesn't exist for me here

[glacial saffron]

but they are planning on doing early access from Q2 so thats basically a launch and you get to play as much as you want

[crude lantern]

but it exists in tarkov

[shrewd heron]

Gear fear is lame because you just end up never getting to use your good shit

[burnt badger]

Maybe if I ran wit a decent team I’d feel better but I don’t 😂

[tough dune]

"failed to connect to the server" can u help me

[glacial saffron]

i feel like the goblin merchant should be in the shop all the time i hate having no rings or pendant

[shrewd heron]

Worst case scenario, you get ambushed and die right away... so you didn't get to use it. Might as well try

[acoustic trench]

try again in 6 weeks

[burnt badger]

Mfer my luck I spawn right next to a trio

[shrewd heron]

So you don't get to use the item you weren't going to use if gear fear got to you

So what ?

I mean, if you're really worried about it, sell your legendary and buy greens and blues, but don't let your stash sit

[glacial saffron]

going in with good gear feels so good in dark and darker you feel the difference so much its crazy

[burnt badger]

So sell that shit on the market for gold 😂 it’s mostly only when I get purples or a ring with good stats etc

[glacial saffron]

sad to not experience a full geared run :/

[burnt badger]

Hopefully I get to experience it next run

[glacial saffron]

only experienced it 3-4 runs but it was hella fun

2 shot dudes with rogue and wiped an entire group before my team got a hit in it was so fun

[burnt badger]

I honestly feel like I showed up way late to the show as well tho so I’m tryna learn everything as much as I can. Like stats I still don’t quite understand. I know what people prefer to have on them, but I’m not sure why sometimes

[glacial saffron]

What class you play?

[burnt badger]

Ranger

[glacial saffron]

So the primary stat you want is strenght

more physical damage and more health

dont know how much exactly per strength stat but you can feel the difference

[crude lantern]

Agi maybe?

i forgot what it does..

[burnt badger]

See I thought agi but idk

[crude lantern]

but you could be right

[glacial saffron]

well agility is attack speed and movement speed

you can use both it is a preference i guess

Want to shoot faster or hit harder? maybe a mix no clue

[burnt badger]

Deffo hit harder especially if ima run spear

[glacial saffron]

i wish we had some data on it. like how much damage does 20 strength give and how much faster do you hit with 20 agility? would be sick to know

[burnt badger]

Yeah but apparently the data mine shit isn’t allowed on here. Maybe it’s somewhere else

[glacial saffron]

ohh what yeah okay

[dense island]

agility has almost a one to one relationship with attack speed percentage(at least at low levels of agility). I'm pretty sure it showed it in the detailed stat screen

[glacial saffron]

oh damn

[burnt badger]

Yeah apparently against the rules to discuss data mines information in the server

[glacial saffron]

could be the same with strength 🤔

[main flare]

im under the impression the playtest 3 is over

[burnt badger]

Yes til feb 6

[crude lantern]

your impression is correct

[main flare]

cool

[glacial saffron]

dude the unique grade gear seems sooo hard to get holy

those bosses are tough as fuck

[ripe wind]

the #dev-qna-archives was cool but too bad they answered on Discord and not somewhere else. about 50% of the questions ae 'Cannot be loaded' so we have no idea what hes answering about

[dawn plaza]

You need to scroll up to the top once then you are able to see all answers

[ripe wind]

i used the search function to find all of sdf's answers

about 50% of them look like this:
https://i.imgur.com/k5wD4Nm.png

not yet what 😡

[wicked summit]

Honestly unique gear is cool to have an all but it’s the bonus stats that matter most. Bonus stats is what really makes a weapon a good one ☝️ ofc I’d imagine you would already know that 😁

[desert remnant]

Try clicking the message to see what it is?

[glacial saffron]

Search for sdf in search bar and see what he wrote. nvm you did that xD

[glacial saffron]

Yeah exactly so getting one is hard by itself and then rolling good stats are harder but i think it gets like 5 rolls or something so you ought to get something nice

[ripe wind]

clicking on it doesnt work @desert remnant

as it says - it could not be loaded

🤷

[glacial saffron]

random maps wont be a thing apparently

i love that it wont to be honest

like the idea about memorizing the maps and stuff

theyll most likely have like 3-4 different maps to begin with and you can memorize those

[lost jetty]

does will increase the spell charges you get from meditation

[ripe wind]

theres already 6 maps now, at this rate they might have like 20 per layer within a year or two

[glacial saffron]

One thing they really need to do is to remove the gold from inventory and just make it a number i dont get it should fill up space and you have to buy bags and shit

just a hassle

[shrewd heron]

Might as well just give unlimited inventory right, it's just a hassle

[glacial saffron]

actually no cap would like that

[shrewd heron]

My condolences

[glacial saffron]

i know you are joking but why is inventory management even a thing

[shrewd heron]

For the sake of inventory management

[glacial saffron]

ok gj

[wide haven]

Callback to old Diablo-esque games maybe and DnD gold has a weight you can be overencumbered by

[glacial saffron]

im not talking about ingame but out of game

[shrewd heron]

It's just an old thing some people like and some don't

[glacial saffron]

like you stash

[wide haven]

Yeah I think it's fine tbh

[shrewd heron]

I like it

[wide haven]

I can see why some don't like it

[glacial saffron]

it will just turn out that people will buy high value stuff to have in stash instead of gold

[wide haven]

It's pure preference

[glacial saffron]

because it fills up less space

no its not

[wide haven]

And I think it adds some modicum of depth

[glacial saffron]

when you have played for 2 months when it releases you will pull out your hair by the management of your inventory

[wide haven]

No, I won't, because I've played games that do that before

Lmao

It's not that huge of a deal imo

[glacial saffron]

like you storage fills up within a week

well if you keep losing stuff i guess not but if you are stacking stuff you fill up fast

[digital forge]

I just wish purses would hold up to 100g, otherwise it's fine

[wide haven]

Well, considering you trade multiple stacks of gold for health pots...

Yeah you go through it

[glacial saffron]

what

[wide haven]

Agree with this

[lost jetty]

bigger purses

[glacial saffron]

you spent max 90g on healing per run. while you make 300-400 gold per run in highroller if you dont count selling gear for 100-1000 gold each

you ramp up gold shit fast

[wide haven]

True, but lose once and you spend 500g on a new weapon alone

It happens

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[digital forge]

there'll eventually be weapon/Armor/potion cases like in tarkov I hope

[wide haven]

I hate loot boxes

Please no

[glacial saffron]

cases is just a hassle. you have to look through everything to look for one item

like why

[digital forge]

loot boxes what?

those are boxes for inventory management

[glacial saffron]

just wanna play game and not sit in lobby for forever

[wide haven]

Oh mb

[lost jetty]

it happens if you're an absolute god, though majority of players are going to end up reaching a sort of equilibrium in their gold supply
one thing you can do I guess is to make a dummy char, trade with a middleman, then the middleman trades the gold to your dummy

[wide haven]

New stash tabs for gold

Ez fix

[dense island]

mind so poisoned by modern gaming the second he sees cases in a video game he thinks lootboxes

[wide haven]

Yes.

[glacial saffron]

i hope they do like POE where you can get more taps (not from real life money, maybe with ingame gold) would be sick

[lost jetty]

aren't chests technically lootboxes

[wide haven]

Hate most modern titles for it

[glacial saffron]

again like why having to make another character to use for storage feels like a cheap system

[wide haven]

Current in-game rewards look great, hope to see more along those lines

[glacial saffron]

they could even make them shit expensive like 1-2k each or more

[ripe wind]

limited stash is good, prevents people hoarding too much, motivates to trade items or drop them instead of keeping everything

[glacial saffron]

i get that but 1 tap is nothing

[ripe wind]

items have inherently more value because you cant keep everything

tarkov gets especially boring once your stash is full of cash and gear and containers with more gear, at that point its a snoozefest

[glacial saffron]

you seen the guys on the leaderboards?? they have completely full inventories where they use golden keys as gold it only fits 4 spots but is worth 1k. that feels so bad

[dense island]

I feel like normal level 1 was easy enough that if you were experienced and had a single teammate with you you could extract 9 out of 10 games, like a 1/3 of my stash was made of gold pouches no matter what I bought

[glacial saffron]

no reason to grind when you literally cant get anything

[glacial saffron]

and thats when the game wipes

[lost jetty]

wasnt the dungeon we were running lvl2

[glacial saffron]

but i get what you mean

it was lvl 2 yeah

[dense island]

I just said level 1 because saying level 2 when we only have access to level 2 and 3 could have the implication that I was talking about level 3 rather than the one we spawn in for people who didn't already know

[glacial saffron]

tarkov wipes are apparently once every 6 months wayyy too long

[lost jetty]

is the main boss buffed in if you went high roller inferno?

[glacial saffron]

maybe because it has so much more depth than d and d but still

[ripe wind]

POE is also a good example of who not to copy ideas from 🤣 that game was amazing during its alpha/beta stages around 2012, but theyve went downhill. game is very bloated, with 15 different types of stash tabs and endless new types of currencies and items every 3 months. before the added the Stash Affinity feature it was normal to spend 30-60 minutes per day just organizing your stash

[green marten]

Antone know when the next Playtest is?

[ripe wind]

february

[dense island]

I haven't played tarkov but I imagine its much easier to just get hit a couple times in the head from 300m away with no way of knowing and losing all your shit, resulting in a much quicker turn around on gear gain and loss

[green marten]

how do you know Bull

[glacial saffron]

im not talking about anything else than having the mechanic of taps so it is clean and you dont have to look through freaking boxes to find you items

[ripe wind]

they said it in the #dev-qna-archives somewhere

[lost jetty]

feb06 - feb13 10AM pacific

[glacial saffron]

you can rat is way more because there isnt a circle forcing fights

[ripe wind]

the gear-anxiety in tarkov and dark&darker feel similar to me, but i feel like losing in dark&darker is more likely because of the br-circle mechanic and how it makes all the players converge to the same place in order to extract

in tarkov you can just sneak away to a secluded exit and avoid players if thats your goal

[sage ravine]

Bring a gold pouch into your runs. You'll save a lot of space 🙂

[glacial saffron]

well if gold keeps on stacking up like we have seen in the playtest people will start buying items as placeholders for gold (like the golden keys) and that would decrease the value of gold since players cant have it in their inventory. and you dont really spent that much on potions and stuff. I hope they make rarer items such as legendary more regular in the shop but more expensive as a gold sink.

simply not enough space in inventory

[storm nova]

Whats the Golden Key?

[glacial saffron]

key for good loot room

worth 1k gold

[crude lantern]

it's a key which is golden

[storm nova]

Damn sounds good

[crude lantern]

I could be wrong though

don't @ me

[glacial saffron]

like what are you gonna do when this happens?

https://preview.redd.it/y311gszn9b8a1.png?width=1922&format=png&auto=webp&s=1faa850946631f961e50254394002bf415defe0e

and like what can you even buy with gold? pots and bandages basically. Or the very rare occasional epic in store

[desert remnant]

gold = more high roller dungeon runs

[glacial saffron]

which = more gold :D

[desert remnant]

assuming you're good

[cunning urchin]

so I keep trying to post a suggestion and it keeps telling me I'm tripping some automod filter with it, is there some place I can see what's triggering that?

[upbeat salmon]

Things in player trade.

[glacial saffron]

Well a player who is stacked wouldnt sell stuff for gold anymore because he legit doesnt have space for it. It would become a weird situation

[main pagoda]

Why are the developers waiting till February to let us play the game again?

[wide haven]

Sort data and change shit

Look at feedback

Etc

[wide haven]

Good thing it's a playtest :)

Perhaps there will be more things to buy or the economy will change a bit

[gritty quartz]

I cant connect to the server, and I have restarted steam several times, closed it down trough the task manager

Help?

[narrow pelican]

Test closed

[gritty quartz]

Alright 😩 thanks

[opaque zodiac]

What are you trying to suggest, has it been suggested before?

[turbid oxide]

Maybe you could of tried risking something half decent instead of going in so ratty lol..

[opaque zodiac]

Buy items on trading post…?