q-and-a

[celest mural]

That’s a huge issue for wizards both offensively and defensively

[steady coyote]

is there damage fall off over range for bows or thrown weapons

[whole sluice]

Just like in real D&D fashion 😄

[whole sluice]

No damage fall off

[celest mural]

In real dnd they do get the sculpt spell ability as an evocation wizard to keep friendly fire to a minimum

[late fern]

So Action speed is literally just Attack speed?

[celest mural]

Maybe that will appear in skill trees

[steady coyote]

i know this has probably been asked but i couldnt find it anywhere, what does nimble hands actually do for rangers

[whole sluice]

To be fair, everyone is a murder hobo trying to kill 'bunnies' and so the Wiz wants the fireball kill, the fighter wants the fighter kill etc... Everyone is just too murder hobo to work as a team and hold off 😄

[whole sluice]

And bandage speed, drinking potion speed, campfiresetup. Anything that you 'do' with your hands is Action Speed

[late fern]

Nice, ty

[raven lava]

Do deeper dungeons have a chance to drop gold keys or is that just a drop from gold door/room map?

[whole sluice]

Gold keys are supposed to just be from the one captain below the tower, but there were a few locations where they popped up (Bugs)

Skeleton key is supposed to be in one spot on the ground in one of the B3 maps

[hollow elm]

Any plans for VOIP even if it's just for your team

[steady coyote]

are there plans for more classes and if so which ones

[whole sluice]

Officially the only confirmed class will be the upcoming Bard. We don't have any information on it at the moment. There was a sneak peek of other upcoming classes that are hinted to be the following (In no particular order) Artificer, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock

[celest mural]

Mostly magical classes

[hollow elm]

I could see Sorc/paladin could be easy to implement with the current game

[celest mural]

All the physical ones except monk/pld are in game

[hollow elm]

I don't think artificer makes sense for the aesthetic of the game

[whole sluice]

However, they did mention they want to do multiclassing, or try to see if it would fit in anyway

[steady coyote]

that would be cool

[celest mural]

This sounds like massive balance issues just like real dnd

It also sounds really interesting

[steady coyote]

even deeper specialization over just the trees

[whole sluice]

I personally was thinking the A was for Assassin instead of Artificer, because the Rogue is both rogue and assassin currently and I feel splitting the two would REALLY help

[celest mural]

It could be alchemist

But probably not

[whole sluice]

Alchemist/Arcanist are similar. I think the Arcanist would be more about lobbing potions/fire bombs, smoke/poison bombs etc

They already have Explosive Bottles and Lanterns

Would love a class that focused more on that kind of stuff

Grenadier class 😄

But most people think Arcanist and think guns. I doubt guns would be a thing

[cyan slate]

20 second cd on quick cast iirc.

[whole sluice]

Double Hoduken ftw 😄

[celest mural]

Artificer is a tough class to implement

[steady coyote]

could be maybe just a melee class with alot self buffing

like taking more into self customization magic side

[split haven]

they need to add races first

[celest mural]

I don’t suppose there’s been any news of races right

[whole sluice]

Not sure if races would fit. Last thing we need is halflings acting likee Oddjob from Golden eye

[hardy ingot]

They can have multiple dungeon in different biomes or Planes lol. No limits. Flying island dungeon where traps are a hole off the island lol.

[steady coyote]

i think races might be taking it too in depth especially with the skill tree and then adding more classes

turn into ESO real fast lol

[hardy ingot]

No making it closer to D&D which is a good thing👍

[celest mural]

If it’s only cosmetic I don’t see why it’s an issue

[astral light]

It's important for balance, otherwise you get that same trash you see in shooters where teammates put rockets and grenades on friendlies close to enemies with no consequences.

[steady coyote]

it probably wouldnt be cosmetic only

[split haven]

you can add classes eternally to this kind of game, monk, amazon, necromancer , shapeshifter etc seems cool to think about it, lot of potential

[steady coyote]

i mean if it is cosmetic no issues

[astral light]

I think races are already confirmed? I thought I saw something about races in the pre-match tips.

[steady coyote]

no idea lol

[whole sluice]

All good ideas, discussions and feedback. Please try to keep chatter to a minimum here to help keep it clean for people to ask questions 🙂

I know, I'm a terrible example and tangent all the time 😄

[astral light]

I want to be a dirty little goblin.

[hardy ingot]

Does the Barbs speed boost stop poison?

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-negative-goblin-slayer-smh-no-gif-13056213

[astral light]

Just a filthy little gobbo

[whole sluice]

It doesn't show unless it was on the 'skill' page

Stash page doesn't calculate Movespeed correctly

In game it works fine as well

Agi is pretty much 1 for 1 for movespeed

[celest mural]

Are there any plans for subclasses at all?

[whole sluice]

Not at this time

[astral light]

I think kit determines subclass

Kit/perks/skills

[whole sluice]

Or at least not now. The devs mentioned that they had at least 10 years worth of 'ideas' to put in, but what does/doesn't make the cut 🤷

[zinc field]

Does helmet armor give more defense against headshots or is damage reduction a function of collective armor value?

[whole sluice]

Nope

Armor is added cumulative, not locationally

[celest mural]

Do traps apply locational damage?

[whole sluice]

Yes

[zinc field]

Hmm, that's unfortunate. Makes running naked barb more appealing though considering helmet has no benefit over other armor.

What piece has best armor to movespeed reduction "value"

[whole sluice]

Wall spikes can hit your head if you are crouching wrong, and pits are always limbs

[whole sluice]

Oooh I have this one sec

Boots are the best, because ALL boots GIVE + move speed. Gloves are the next best because all NON plate gloves have NO movespeed penalty. But the best armor for movespeed penalty on average is....

Heavy Gauntlet, Doublet, Mystic Vestments, Loose Trousers

[zinc field]

Hmm gotcha. So probably best build movespeed-wise for barb is boots, heavy gauntlet, loose trousers and ditch the helmet + chestpiece so you can take advantage of the barb perk. Good to know 👍

[whole sluice]

Also, if you are doing a movespeed barb, I would recommend axe spec and single horseman axe

[celest mural]

No dual axes yet

[whole sluice]

I mean hatchet

But even still, dual wield is more for advanced combo play

[thorn dagger]

I just saw a Barb with Dual axes tho 🤔

[whole sluice]

Barb is just about peeling heads like a melon

[whole sluice]

Hatchet is secondary axe

[zinc field]

Dual axes would probably incur double the movespeed penalty though, so not sure it'd be worth

[thorn dagger]

oh ye

[celest mural]

Oh? I’ve never seen one in dungeon

[whole sluice]

Id PropertyTypeId MinValue MaxValue Move Speed Classes
Hatchet_0001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 14 17 -25 B F
Hatchet_1001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 19 22 -25 B F
Hatchet_2001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 23 25 -25 B F
Hatchet_3001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 26 28 -25 B F
Hatchet_4001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 29 31 -25 B F
Hatchet_5001 PhysicalWeaponDamage 32 34 -25 B F

[celest mural]

I’ve seen it in the woodsman shop but never actually investigated it

[whole sluice]

It's not a 'great' moveset

It's ok

[tacit steeple]

Is it mechanically legal to know so much about the game @whole sluice ?!?!?

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/legal-star-wars-illegal-p-palpatine-gif-13521108

[celest mural]

Well he’s the primary person answering questions

[whole sluice]

Personally I love building communities. And I STRONGLY feel that educating and giving information and access to gamers makes for a better community in several ways. The more educated and informed people are, the better they are likely to play. This results in games that are closer in skill than lobby clearing bambis. This in return makes more people praise the game. Which makes it more popular. Which makes the community grow. Which means more fresh eyes/ideas come in and so forth

Providing that kind of information and such is what I love doing

I like breaking down mechanics, and I'm a spreadsheet whore

[tacit steeple]

Is there a wiki xD ?

[whole sluice]

Not yet

I'm working with some people to try and get one up

Worse case I will make a large Google Slide/PDF with all the info sorted out

[zinc field]

Does having a large shield like a parvise on one's back block blows from behind even when not wielding it or does blocking only work when actively equipped?

[whole sluice]

Nope

Only in front when you are wielding it

You can also deploy a pavise to block doors

Or barricade someone in a cell and watch them choke in the swarm 😄

[zinc field]

Deploy?

[whole sluice]

Yeah, you can stick them in the ground like a barricade

[zinc field]

Or you mean just stand in front

Oh dang

[whole sluice]

Make a temporary shelter to hide behind

Or block passage/slow people down

[zinc field]

Does that unequip the item or?

[whole sluice]

Yup

People can still interact to take them down

But it'll slow them down

[zinc field]

Can barb smash break them like doors?

[whole sluice]

I want to say yes, but we didn't test with fireballs, smash and/or damage in general

[twilit silo]

how is this game going to be? are there going to be the same weapons as now, or will there be like 10+ more added?

[whole sluice]

They want to add a lot more weapons

We're trying to convince them to find a way to put in flails and whips, but REALLY hard to do that in a First Person type game

[twilit silo]

all i know is , if necromancer gets added i will be scared for my life every game

[whole sluice]

I want lich to raise fallen adventurers who died in the floor(s) above instead of the generic skeletons he has now 😄

[twilit silo]

imagine necromancers could deny any possible enemy respawns and turn them into idk zombies or skeletons

[whole sluice]

Yeah, prally not a mechanic that would be fun. They are pretty good about ensuring you can't pilfer other people's souls for precisely that reason

They changed it so you can't even drop enemy souls on the ground any more. Which to be fair, is a solid addition because I use to be cheeky and hide soulds under a metric crap ton of useless armor and gear

[twilit silo]

but what if teammate took soul, can still get revived, but necromancer can cast spell on dead body to make it rise, and once u kill it u can loot for gear back

[whole sluice]

Why not cast it from a PvE entity. There are plenty enough, although with how crowded rooms and halls are, not sure if having summons would fit either

[twilit silo]

in 20 hours i have seen maybe 2 revives 😄

true , but thats why i would be afraid of necromancer

if they could summon zombies , skeletons , mummys it would be insanely strong

nd maybe necromancers get like a passive ability , 1/4 undead mobs will ignore you

[whole sluice]

Sounds like good place for #feedback-hidden-archive

[twilit silo]

will there be a mechanic where u can light arrows on fire?

[whole sluice]

Haven't heard anything like that

[twilit silo]

skeletons sometimes fire arrow thats on fire

[grand umbra]

I swear the fire arrows from skeletons is just to block your vision after being it.

[celest mural]

The texture and fire/burn dmg already exists

[restive aspen]

Shooting arrows through torches should ignite the arrow applying fire damage on tick, similar to zelda fire arrows imo

[eternal walrus]

1 more reason to loot those legendaries off their cold bodies 😄 You don't want legendary armed undead

[whole sluice]

Maybe, easier to just program default undead version of all the starting gear classes

Would love to se an undead version of the Barb coming after me with his 2hander 😄

[eternal walrus]

True it was just a random funny thought. Standard gear is easier to implement

[whole sluice]

Although, being charged by a fighter wearing Godly Plate of the Whale with a Grandfather Sword 😄

[eternal walrus]

That could be scarier than the lich itself

[celest mural]

I still think the idea of a player controlled monster is a great idea

[fair fjord]

Do the 4 different wizard weapons have different cast time or spell damaged related buffs/debuffs?

[whole sluice]

The differences between the various magical casting items and weapons are this: They differ in movement speed penalties, utility, and casting animations (Not speed). Each have specific uses. For instance, the crystal sword is great if you want to be a battle mage and cast spells while also bonking people on the head. The staff is terrible for halls because it has wide casting animations, but also lets you bonk slightly stronger than sword. And some don't let you bonk but only cast spells.

[sour marsh]

sorry the research/F doesn't find anything and i'm lazy and don't want to go back all the way the Q&A part, is there any thoughts about having a button only for stabbing in melee or to control a tiny bit the hit-angle of your hit? thanks in advance :p

[eternal walrus]

That could be interesting as a separate gamemode and maybe after a bunch of levels and quests

[whole sluice]

Weapon combos are set and unlikely to change.

[celest mural]

Different casting animations mostly

[sour marsh]

ok thank you !

[celest mural]

The sword tends to wall bounce if you aim spells at walls

[fair fjord]

I see, I never saw a higher tier staff, they have better melee than the swords do?

[eternal walrus]

But then again it gives you the ability to bonk people

[whole sluice]

They have higher base phys, crystal swords are better for damage but have a shorter range

Staffs also 'might' get a parry since it's 2 handed

[celest mural]

For a wizard no as willpower scales the magic damage on the crystal sword

[celest mural]

Crystal sword is 2handed right?

[whole sluice]

No, it's one handed

There is just no 'secondary' weapon/item in the game for them atm

Whether that changes or not 🤷

[celest mural]

Can u double check that I remember the crystal sword being 2h

[eternal walrus]

Ohhhhhh that's a cool piece of info

[fair fjord]

Is there higher tier orbs/books?

[eternal walrus]

yes

[versed narwhal]

crystal sword shows up as a 2h weapon on the character sheet from what i remember

[eternal walrus]

Purple and higher get modifiers

[celest mural]

Yea as I remember it’s 2h

[whole sluice]

Ah nope, Crystal is 2h

I blame lack of sleep 😄

[celest mural]

I hope it gets a parry

[whole sluice]

It has a spell casting parry right now

But it's a bug

And not intended

[fair fjord]

I would like a parry because everytime I played wizard a rogue would walk up and 3 tap me lol

[celest mural]

I’d like if it had a bubble shield or a barrier based on spell power

[eternal walrus]

Btw did anyone try the auto-shield perk you get when you take dmg on wizard? It seems pretty useless considering the alternatives

[fair fjord]

I used that and still got dicked by rogue

[celest mural]

It’s ok from my experience

[whole sluice]

It's decent for backline support wizard

Or melee clearing PvE

[eternal walrus]

What about aggressive pvp

[celest mural]

It tends to be good when trying to close range MM in pvp

[whole sluice]

No, you want as much damage, preventing a little damage won't win as many fights as taking people out

[celest mural]

As tanky classes will still get a hit in on you

[eternal walrus]

I feel like dmg/ cooldown serves a better purpose

[whole sluice]

But, this is more of a discussion than a mechanic question and can be discussed further in #feedback-hidden-archive 🙂

[eternal walrus]

Not if you haste - slow

[whole sluice]

Welp, I'm out. Gonna watch some movies with the fam, take care Darklings

[analog wing]

So you know how you can shield with a bardiche right, how well does it perform? Since I played barb I used it quite a bit but never really shield because I would just be attacking and it didn't look very safe

Is the shielded part just tied to the weapons structure so you have to be a lot more precise on blocking rather than an actual shield because it covers more area?

[grand umbra]

It requires precise aiming to block, but honestly you're just better off attacking in almost every situation other then maybe PvE.

[celest mural]

Shielding is very difficult and requires extreme precision to execute properly

[grand umbra]

And yes, you do have to get the haft of the weapon to intercept the attacking hitbox before it hits any part of your flesh.

[analog wing]

Does it provide a knockback effect to the attacker? So you can counter attack?

[celest mural]

No

[grand umbra]

I didn't test how it receives the stagger that got implemented in this playtest.

[celest mural]

I know the longsword can riposte if you right click after parrying an attack

[grand umbra]

But if it is like shields, it could actually mean you're the one staggered if it's from a large attack.

[analog wing]

Ic ic

[celest mural]

I’ve no clue what devs are thinking with the blocking in this game no offense to them but it’s almost never worth it to block an attack

[grand umbra]

I suppose I would of blocked more if I was heavily armored, but with my focus on move speed, I was faster then my opponent 95% of the time, so it was safer to simply play the spacing game then try to block.

[analog wing]

Well I wanted to get really good at blocking and doing kind of counter attacks but it seems that the skill in fights that comes from this game is more movement and spacing

[celest mural]

Spacing is more effective and easier than attempting to block

[analog wing]

Yeah whenever I would space an attack and miss but the attacker was in range to hit me I almost always never had enough time to put my shield up and would always just use my movement to shift my hurtbox

[celest mural]

Also it’s usually better to jump than block aswell

Taking a foot hit rather than a chest hit reduces damage.

[analog wing]

Still haven't jumped over a horizontal sweep yet but I can't wait till I do xD

[celest mural]

Ducking is high risk high reward but I’ve done it before and won fights because of that alone.

[analog wing]

That's how I usually win my fights

Duck and move my head around so they miss

[grand umbra]

Even just turning 90 degrees and presenting an arm when you know a hit is about to land can be clutch.

[analog wing]

Yeah the problem is when they realise they keep missing and start going for horizontal attacks that don't miss often

As a barb I can't really block but I can space but if I miss space and I'm up close about to take a hit I either dodge by going down or take a horizontal hit to the legs or chest it's a 50/50

Since I can't block and I'm up close they either go for the risky horizontal head attack and I go low or they just aim for my legs/ chest and always get a hit because I can't get away or block

So that's why I was thinking maybe blocking those kinds of attacks are a good idea

[elfin violet]

did anyone use the pickpocket skill much? is it anygood?

[cloud kiln]

nope, no one use that, its better of running/killing the enemy

[elfin violet]

seems like fun though if the stealth mechanic was a little different

[severe folio]

can you use pickpocket to steal from your friends?

[heavy yacht]

has there been any talk of directional melee? like click to ready your weapon and then drag to make it swing from left/top/right?

[hardy brook]

directional melee and directional blocking is my dream for this game

[heavy yacht]

the shields are directional atm

[hardy brook]

yeah but blocking with all weapons would be nice imo

well all melee weapons

fuck bows

[heavy yacht]

yeah for sure

[hardy brook]

I have like 2.5k hours in Warband tho so I'm definitely biased

[heavy yacht]

ive only had directional melee in last oasis

played*

[hardy brook]

Mount and Blade: Warband, the sequel Mount and Blade: Bannerlord, and Mordhau I know all have it

those are the three I've played

[eternal walrus]

Honestly unless I have a longsword I just do the duel dance. The person with better spacing skill wins 8/10 fights

[celest mural]

The longsword is blocking done acceptably

As long as you block then hit your riposte you win 8/10 times

Considering the skill required to block it’s good.

[eternal walrus]

Skill gaps are good. Makes playing to perfect a class enjoyable but that's a whole other discussion

[grand umbra]

They plan on keeping the set weapon arcs and not have direction combat. There are other games that do that perfectly well.

[celest mural]

That’s perfectly fine but every weapon should have an alternate attack type

Most 2hs have an alt attack but I don’t believe the maul does

[hazy bear]

20k, according to Steamcharts, but that includes menu idlers

[grand umbra]

I think every weapon has a right click, or will have one, other then 1 hand primaries (since your right click is reserved for a secondary.)

[celest mural]

There’s a couple 2h missing attack types but I believe they are getting one eventually yes

[rancid harbor]

anyone else feel like an animation overhaul for the mobs would be nice?

[fickle solstice]

what i found after a while was if i turned away and pushed on the right angle

skeletons never hit me anymore

even infront of them

[hazy bear]

Or go the other way - make the hitboxes reflect the existing animations. That'd be easier to do

Yep, counter clockwise on skeletons is usually a dodge. Backwards sometimes isn't, and clockwise never is

That roughly aligns with the slash anim, if you figure there's a bit of network slop

[analog wing]

Directional melee and all weapon blocking defeats the purpose of having roles imo

The less impactful universal things the more important roles are and seeing how it's a DnD game in a dungeon meant to be played with a team having specific jobs/roles to play are important

Rouge is squishy but has high burst dps but add in universal parry and blocking with any weapon and now rouge doesn't much risk anymore just be a better player

[sharp flint]

^This seems more like something for the Mechanic Discussion tab

[analog wing]

Ik

Just thought I'd touch on it here since he prob wouldn't see it there for a sec but I'll drop it now

[sharp flint]

okie dokie. just makin sure lol. i had so much fun last night. played until it kicked me off

[analog wing]

Same haha

[shrewd fern]

what seems strange to me is that exit portals are not magic (talking about interacting speed) clerics would open them so slowly

[inner flax]

I never thought about that.

[twilit moat]

Will stats such as resourcefulness (additional inventory space and item install speed) and knowledge (additional spells and spell slots) be added into the game next playtest?

[shrewd fern]

those stats already do things, and there are other "buff stats" to get more spells slots. depending on what you mean resourcefullness already does "item install speed faster" it lets you interact faster at any rate unless i have short term memory loss

[inner flax]

I hope so, I don't have any dev experience but it sounds like a tall order. Personally I'd rather play every month with some improvements/implementations than wait for them to stack and release.

[shrewd fern]

as for different spells id rather see that be tied to player choices in level up/ perks / gear than stats

[grand umbra]

They are intended to be opened using magical interactional speed, but in this playtest they were using regular.

[twilit moat]

yes I know they're already implemented, however, some of the additional bonuses from those stats haven't been added yet, which made resourcefulness pretty useless.

[shrewd fern]

seems like a silly oversight if you ask me, not gonna whine about it though if they change it 😛
(i mained ranger anyway so im happy)

[twilit moat]

Agreed, adding all that stuff at once would be a lot especially since they're already so many stat bonuses implemented so I couldn't imagine how just adding one thing carelessly could potentially break the game.

[latent moon]

I forgot to ask while the playtest was going but was the Cleric resurrection spell broken? I tried it 2 or 3 times and it never worked

[vivid marsh]

Are there plans for extra playable races? does anyone here know?

[boreal heron]

You had to continue to look directly at the body of the player you were reviving. If you looked away, it would waste the spell

[shrewd fern]

it was not broken but it is easy to interupt your own stuff in the game

[latent moon]

After the channel finished?

[harsh grove]

Hey guys can someone explain how rogue stealth works? sometimes I can see their outline sometimes not?

[balmy ginkgo]

So I'm a weirdo and never played with the bow. *Did it have ammo? *I only spectated bow play and I did not see a counter, but, this could be due to the not seeing the inv.

[boreal heron]

unlimited ammo

[balmy ginkgo]

thanks

[shrewd fern]

i mean, if its friendly rogues you can see it, if its an enemy rogue my best guess is that they stealthed in the death swarm.

[bright mist]

do rogues poison damage scale with magic damage? If so is it 1 for 1 per tick or 1 for 1 per full debuff?

[balmy ginkgo]

Does throwing a torch on a bear trap set it off?

[glad pewter]

I believe poison is magic, and bleed is strength

[inner flax]

Experienced ranger player confirmed that it did, but I never tried it myself

[desert mulch]

No, but it should

[ivory gull]

Actually a good idea , pog @balmy ginkgo

[keen ether]

I reloaded a crossbow in weapon slot 2 than switched it for a crossbow in my inventory that wasn’t loaded and it became loaded instantly. Is it by design supposed to be like that?

[rich nymph]

Q&A question, what am i supposed to do now? 😦

[lavish elk]

Be sad

I am

:(

[stoic elbow]

Wait among us wilting undead

[sturdy cosmos]

Sage I need wisdom

[cedar dawn]

can a ranger get trapped by his own trap

[lavish elk]

The trap knows no master

[halcyon bay]

One thing that really wigs me out is how magic missle seems to lock onto mobs and doesn't lock onto players

[lavish elk]

I've heard a few people say its locked on to them, the targeting may be buggy

[vapid frost]

I’ve watched it follow my team as I was healing them

[terse hazel]

Something I didn't see included is that when a rogue initially uses hide, It kind of poofs with the smokey outline of them that lingers for a second after they are invisible. So if they stealth just before you come around the corner you'll likely see the smokey outline. Which is part of why the stealth perk that lets you take 10 steps is nice.

[burnt badger]

Is there a place to donate money to the development team for the game?

[gaunt sparrow]

You can find their contact information on the bottom of the site https://www.ironmace.com/

[odd warren]

hey, can the cleric use heals with the crystal ball or spell book? In a way that he can handle the spell weapon and a physical weapon? when I played cleric in last playtest i felt it was very uncomfortable to switch all the time the weapon to cast spells. No other char have to do that i think

[quartz kelp]

Cleric can use spell book yes, he cannot use a crystal ball. He cannot use a wep + spell wep at the same time.(you have to use 2 weapon sets)

[odd warren]

so it's either the spell book or the staff?

[quartz kelp]

Yes

[odd warren]

ok. whats the difference?

[quartz kelp]

Spellbook has less movement penalty, staff can still smack things for a tiny bit of damage in a pinch. Staff gets blocked more when casting spells ie: hit wall, book almost never does

[odd warren]

wait, you hit walls when channeling a spell?

[stray cairn]

you can if you aim incorrectly

[quartz kelp]

If you are too close yes hitting the wall when casting the spell can cancel it

[stray cairn]

it's environment

[odd warren]

i wasn't able to hit with the staff, it's left click i guess?

[quartz kelp]

Yes

[odd warren]

thanks yuge. i will have to check the spell book

i find it a bit difficult to manage the cleric heals, because you have to aim too. Sometimes I healed or shielded some skeletons and not my friend xD. They should add some kinf of casting target aura before you release so you know where your spell will drop

[quartz kelp]

This personally tilts the shit out of me too, i would like this

It's very gimmicky, even if you are aiming at your teammate right in front of you sometimes the spell just doesn't work at all

[robust rain]

How do ppl selfcast spells like haste?

[quartz kelp]

Cast at no target

So don't aim at enemy/ally

And it will self cast

[odd warren]

i look at a wall and release the button xD

[odd warren]

if you leave the boss rooms in the hellzone do the mobs/boss reset their hp?

to avoid being cheesed

[low flower]

Can the felling axe break doors, and does breaking a chest change its loot?

[somber estuary]

As far as I could tell, no

It’s also easy as hell to cheese the boss

[odd warren]

so does that mean you could just spam arrows/spells on the bosses and retreat out of the room to loose aggro

[somber estuary]

Yeah

I’ve done it multiple times

Regardless the boss’s attacks are easy to dodge, even for offense classes besides the aoe attack

If you clean up the ai around it you can cheese the hell out of the boss

[odd warren]

ive wiped twice in the ghosts' room cuz of the AOE attacks

they come from the magma monsters rightr

[low flower]

Can you jump over the aoe slam?

[odd warren]

so you'd have to kill those first

the aoe slam hits everybody in the room im pretty sure

[somber estuary]

I haven’t been able to

Just stack up on healing potions because the aoe isn’t too often

Once you kill the ai around the boss you can just keep repeating the same thing

If you stand by the door and spam the boss you can leave before the aoe hits you

[odd warren]

as for the lich you can just circle it right?

[low flower]

Anywho, Im assuming the felling axe is strong enough to break doors on barb and tjat breaking chests doesnt change their loot, right?

[lavish elk]

They're not, get the perk for that.

[grand umbra]

If there are no players in the boss room it heals.

[grand umbra]

Correct on both counts.

[vague carbon]

yes unless you jump it or are standing on a pavise shield

[steady holly]

What is the diff between crystal ball, spellbook, crystal sword and wizard staff?

Except for one handed, chance to hit wall etc. Magic diff?

[whole sluice]

The differences between the various magical casting items and weapons are this: They differ in movement speed penalties, utility, and casting animations (Not speed). Each have specific uses. For instance, the crystal sword is great if you want to be a battle mage and cast spells while also bonking people on the head. The staff is terrible for halls because it has wide casting animations, but also lets you bonk slightly stronger than sword. And some don't let you bonk but only cast spells.

[steady holly]

So damage is the same? Magic damage i mean.

Cast animation is different but speed is the same? lol

Why would i ever choose a spellbook instead of a crystal ball as an example?

[whole sluice]

I just answered

Some allow you to have a main weapon dagger, others are better animations to cast in hallways

If your cast animation hits a wall your spell fails

[vernal dawn]

I never once got resurrection to actually work, my friends had their soul hearts. Was it bugged?

[steady holly]

I see, thank you

[red cliff]

Which resurrection? By cleric’s spell or on the altar?

[vernal dawn]

Cleric

[red cliff]

Just casting resurrect aiming at the body and channeling the spell worked fine for me

Some said you needed to take off the person’s chest armor to avoid possible bugs

[whole sluice]

So to use the cleric res. spell you need to aim and focus on their body for the FULL duration which is like 20 seconds. It's super long. You can't move, or change view point and you can't have it fizzle either

[vernal dawn]

Huh, ok. Makes sense

[worn jungle]

Its easy to fizzle cleric res with a staff, if u look down at body your staff with hit ground and fizzle

[candid shard]

how oil latern work? what dmg common rare epic? can be this dmg be stacked ( fire on floor)?

[whole sluice]

Oil lantern creates a fire area, damage doesn't seem to change damage, just duration and light source

Nothing can stack as far as I know

[exotic kestrel]

I had two fire bombs thrown on me and I didn't feel like they done any increasing amounts of damage personally

but i don't entirely know and didn't have enough experience with it

[lavish current]

can you for real smash chests

[whole sluice]

With Barb. Perk

[pearl sedge]

only non reinforced chests aswell, each weapon has it own breaking property

[timber thunder]

Maddcow, is there a place where i can find all those charts u linked in chat during playtest

[whole sluice]

Eventually yes

[timber thunder]

Any chance i can get some early? 🥹

[whole sluice]

Not yet 🙂

[timber thunder]

All good

[lavish current]

🖐️

[ornate glen]

🖐️

[fast parcel]

Hand

[shrewd citrus]

🖐️

[native mural]

🖐️

[surreal kestrel]

👍

[slim grail]

🖐️

[dry creek]

Hand

[fast parcel]

🖐️

[livid gyro]

🇫🇮

[acoustic heath]

🖐

[finite canyon]

🖐️

[faint wolf]

✋

[untold sluice]

🖐️

[merry geyser]

✋

[sage lagoon]

🖐️

[fathom cedar]

🖐️

[lethal phoenix]

🖐🏾

[sudden sail]

👋 Rogue Pickpocket

[wheat jay]

🖐️

[quartz violet]

🙌

[brazen imp]

NECROMANCER LETS GO

lol

[vagrant tiger]

🖐️

[livid gyro]

Druid with bear pet 😄

[south dove]

✋

[void dagger]

✋

[sturdy cosmos]

Guys stay muted while mad cow is talking please

[royal narwhal]

we need less commentary from people talking during answers

[brazen imp]

bard sounds cool gonna hev some crazy ass buffs i bet

[royal narwhal]

nobody cares about your opinions gamers, sorry

like this right here lao

[brazen imp]

thats the guy who asked the question though

[royal narwhal]

nonetheless

put it here in chat, tbh

[ornate glen]

some siip of joooose?? 🥺

[uneven aurora]

🖐️

[meager lake]

@whole sluice how many Bolivian dollars do I have to smuggle into the devs pockets to get a face covering helmet for the cleric?

[lavish current]

🖐️

[livid gyro]

Is there gonna be PETS/Companions on some classes?

[candid imp]

Clerics can't use barbute?

[tacit steeple]

✋🏻

[meager lake]

Life would be better if we could

[candid imp]

Wtf go request that in #feedback-hidden-archive right now. Clerics should be able to use the good tank gear like that

[sturdy cosmos]

🖐

[royal narwhal]

🖐️

[tidal gate]

🤚 in regard to shields

[meager lake]

Also if madcow mentions my question please type it for me, im not in the call

[hardy ingot]

✋

[steady moat]

✋

[ebon loom]

🖐️

[spare pendant]

was just a comment.. rusted grey weapons probably wont feel as underpowered when you enter at level 1 instead of level 2 as it is now.

[zealous arrow]

🖖

[ornate glen]

he wants to throw mauls in mordhau basically

[random sandal]

they need to redo clerics haircut cuz HOLY FUCK i deleted mine solely on his haircut

[gloomy torrent]

yeah thats stupid

[faint wolf]

✋

[untold geode]

✋

[random sandal]

👌

👈

[golden cedar]

💀🤌

[ebon glacier]

🧙‍♂️

[terse sage]

🖐️

[ebon glacier]

wizards for life

[meager lake]

If you can't rock the balding bowl cut, you don't deserve the powers of god

[brazen imp]

i agree

LOL

[random sandal]

homie said "im tryna nest eggs on my head hook me up"

[ebon glacier]

rangers suck

[finite canyon]

wait this playtest was start on floor 2 ?

[meager lake]

But alternatively, let cleric equip the Barbute

[gloomy torrent]

yes

[sharp sluice]

yes

[gloomy torrent]

damn yall dont read up on anything huh

[sharp sluice]

This is the second floor of a 3 level.

[finite canyon]

now i feel better about dying alot

[finite canyon]

i had like a total of 12 hours to play this playtest so ya not this time :p

[random sandal]

they literally had a "FAPDOODLES" that explained everything everyone is just liek durrrrrrr start game durrrrrrrrrr

[elfin atlas]

🖐️

[sharp sluice]

Yeah, there was 2 playtests I think before this, one last month, and 1 before that.

[gloomy torrent]

12 hours to play

none used to read

[sudden sail]

Laugh if you are short and got a huge gap in ur teeth @hardy ingot

[vivid eagle]

🤚

[merry geyser]

🖐️

[faint wolf]

is sound muffled under that water mirage?

[ebon glacier]

🫵 🧙‍♂️

[spring aurora]

🤚

[ebon glacier]

we want you

[whole sluice]

Lotsillion

[ebon glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-magic-gif-5452885

[sudden sail]

👋 what nature is the leveling perks system? Are they extra perks? distance meter to check hide.

[ebon glacier]

🕵️ =rogue

[crimson trench]

✋

[ebon glacier]

🤡 =ranger

[random sandal]

i got the best question of all time

[slow dagger]

🖐️

[ebon glacier]

😇 =cleric

[uneven aurora]

🖐️

[ebon glacier]

👋

[spare nova]

🖐️

[ebon glacier]

🫵 🧙‍♂️

[burnt badger]

Will we get more means of bullying rangers in the future as melee characters

[unreal solstice]

Fighters already bully them tho, with bows

[sturdy cosmos]

✋

[burnt badger]

they can still run away faster though

[ebon glacier]

does magic missile track a target

[burnt badger]

i mean a closer means of bullying

[unreal solstice]

the sprint move speed buff suggests otherwise

[void dagger]

✋

[vernal warren]

✋

[slender siren]

✋

[ebon glacier]

$40 price tag

[sage lagoon]

map sounds lit

[burnt badger]

✋

[unreal solstice]

✋

[tidal gate]

🤚

[formal dagger]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[crimson trench]

🤚

[ivory siren]

a radial around the crosshair always works great

[spare nova]

@slow dagger Are you corpsehusband

[inner flax]

🖐️

[modern prairie]

🖐️

[gloomy cliff]

✋

[wraith veldt]

✋

[glossy fox]

✋

[hollow ridge]

🤚

[gloomy cliff]

wow 10 years

thats a big promise

[gloomy torrent]

rinse and repeat like COD

[ruby meteor]

Has anyone been brave enough to ask the pve mode only question for the steam discussion thread frogs?

[inner flax]

We want blood.

[ruby meteor]

Lmao

[sacred raptor]

There will be bloodshed

[gloomy torrent]

fk pve only

[ruby meteor]

Truuuue

[gloomy torrent]

go play a single player game then

[narrow dune]

🖐️

[slow dagger]

no

[gloomy torrent]

like sykrim

skyrim

[echo kindle]

not that kinda game, not that kinda genre

[patent flame]

question for the guys, did anyone fought and defeat the boss in lvl3?

[gloomy torrent]

clearly a lot of people have

theres a whole scoreboard for it

[sacred raptor]

Someone killed it 12 times 💀

[ruby meteor]

I getcha man. Not what I want, just have seen a cry for it on steam discussions

[gloomy torrent]

exactly

[patent flame]

jesus

i got there and instantly got 1shoted xD

[gloomy torrent]

obviously

[uneven aurora]

🖐️

[wraith veldt]

@ebon glacier We can hear your mic making a fan/static type noise FYI

[ruby meteor]

Do rangers get their rations back after multiple fires?

[slow dagger]

if you remove the memorize spells skill from a wizard do you just not get spells ? 😂

doesn't seem like it should be an optional thing

[inner flax]

Yeah, its a meme

[sacred raptor]

Just be a Wizard without the memorise 🗿

[echo kindle]

TRUE battle wizard

[ivory siren]

Didn't they mention doing a pseudo-MMR with Veteran Adventurer score

[hollow ridge]

god people asking for battle passes and sbmm, so bad

[sacred raptor]

Thats not gonna happen

[fast parcel]

🖐️

[outer pagoda]

✋

[hardy ingot]

Solo Barb🪓💪🏼

[royal narwhal]

every time someone tells me solo is too hard, my e-peen gets a little bigger

[waxen bane]

What classes did he just say were in the talk for coming?

[void dagger]

Solo rogue and avoiding fighting anything is so fun

[echo kindle]

i played 4 rounds this playtest solo and extracted all 4 with a ton of loot each time. invis potions are fucking awesome lol

[void dagger]

Druid, Bard, Warlock, Sorcerer, Paladin, Artificer/Assassin

[royal narwhal]

solo is more viable and more fun than any other extraction game imo

[sand trellis]

did someone ask when the next playtest is?

[royal narwhal]

better than tarkov, hunt, etc

[ivory siren]

I just dunno who homie is, some of what he's said is assertive against what's been suggested from devs, like VA not being a metric to matchmake off of, or a general 'f you' to solo players when they have tried to make things a bit easier for solo.

[void dagger]

"Thanks again to everyone that participated in our Alpha Playtest #2! We'll announce the date for the next playtest next week. See you soon! "

[ivory siren]

🤷 Enjoy Q&A.

[sand trellis]

aw

XD

[royal narwhal]

matchmaking kills the game

[echo kindle]

Marauders imo is the most solo friendly extraction game by far

[royal narwhal]

skill/gear-based MM, i mean

[gloomy torrent]

honestly this Q&A was ass

[royal narwhal]

yeah i haven't gotten into marauders, looks kind of mid overall

[ivory siren]

VA is a soft matchmaking metric. It essentially tracks time indirectly.

[echo kindle]

awesome game, playing it every day with my friends

[slender siren]

VA is short for?

[ivory siren]

So newer players (and newer accounts, in this case) play with one another, and vice versa.

[sage lagoon]

veteran adventurer

[royal narwhal]

yes i know what you mean by VA, i think it's a bad idea for the same reason it's a bad idea for all these extraction games

[void dagger]

I got 36 hours in over the playtest and am hungry for more

[ivory siren]

You'd be incorrect, simply put.

[royal narwhal]

okay :)

[ivory siren]

👍

[gloomy torrent]

ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD MUTED LMAo

[slender siren]

just write your question down

use google translate

w/e

[gloomy torrent]

RIP BOROV

[slender siren]

🖐️ follow up question

[sour sluice]

lord jerky

[clever trench]

✋

[candid wyvern]

Kick that guy

[mint kettle]

🤚

[worldly flare]

plz kick

[candid wyvern]

Kick that Russian guy plz

[gloomy torrent]

BRO BRO BRO

[slender siren]

@pseudo field write your question down

[gloomy torrent]

LMAOOOO

[sacred raptor]

🗿 Why are they coming out the wood work

[full wing]

borovs brother charles

[oak briar]

lmmmaaaooo

[gloomy torrent]

JUAN SECOND

[sage lagoon]

whos the guy that sounds like thanovic

[gloomy torrent]

borov got on his smurf

[ivory siren]

A chad

[upper crypt]

🤚

[gloomy torrent]

LMLMLMAOAOMA

LOL

[candid wyvern]

Bro get rid of this Russian guy

[royal narwhal]

this shit is hilarious

[mint kettle]

wow

[green parcel]

oke

[gloomy torrent]

GUYS DO YOU HEAR ME?

[royal narwhal]

GUYS JUAN SEKUND

[slender siren]

broh

[brisk seal]

AKA not a good answer for solo players lmao

[oak briar]

heidel already answered this question

[worldly flare]

🤚

[mortal finch]

may I ask, how did that guy streaming the game ?

[ivory siren]

It's YouTube.

[mortal finch]

oh

[green parcel]

🤚 solo play will be not that balanced, so there will be like a hub to search for party, and interact with people?.

[gloomy torrent]

wtf are you doing playing solo for, go make some friends lmao

[ivory siren]

Because people want to play when their friends aren't available.

[oak briar]

lmmaaoo bro is still in the dungeon, why he got so much reverb

damn he wasn't even real

[sudden sail]

@crimson trench can you put ur cat on the mic?

[cold viper]

🤚

[brisk seal]

🖐️

[shy hornet]

🖐️

[sand ibex]

🖐️

[sleek vessel]

🖐️

[eternal python]

😭

[primal tendon]

🖐️

[opal meteor]

🖐🏻

[mortal finch]

sr, I dont have any question lol

[ruby meteor]

Yo we need a description of an opinion vs a question

[wraith veldt]

If it falls under feedback then it goes there.

I think this is mainly a Q&A about game features/mechanics

[opaque elbow]

Is fall damage a mechanic that will be added? or no?

[queen tree]

god i hope not its so fun without it

[sand trellis]

✋

[paper panther]

🖐️

[proud forum]

not sure if this is the right channel but will progression save between play tests?

[queen tree]

hope not cuz i gifted away all my stuff in the last hours xd

[waxen bane]

verrrry doubtful tbh

[proud forum]

i didnt think it would but my friend was asking about it lol

[candid shard]

3 oil laterns will do same dmg as 1? ( If you throw them at the same time)

[twin pawn]

Lets clear the room for the guys and moderation

[sand trellis]

Will stash be open for other character

[whole sluice]

They are looking into this

[sand trellis]

ah ic

[reef owl]

Will they improve cleric gear options eventually? it felt bad to have basically no options

[twin pawn]

Will they add item rotation for stash management?

[whole sluice]

If you asked a question previously, please psot again

[full lion]

i'd assume they'd have to, otherwise you can just get your friend to trade the items to you

[whole sluice]

They are always wanting to add more gear/options

[austere burrow]

A. do the devs actually give a fuck about the feedback channel? like is there a person purposefully taking notes of every viable and sensible idea and or change?
B. will i be able to have fun playing this game solo with every class within my choice of gameplay? without the need to co-operate with other people? i obviously dont mind joining someone\backstabbing him mid game inside.

[sleek vessel]

My question is: Is the Dev team taking a sort of purist approach when it comes to table top DnD's difficulty? as in, is the Dev team going to resist the urge to listen to pleas about nerfing very lethal aspects of the game. will it remain a hardcore experience both in the pvp and pve realms?

[whole sluice]

Haven't heard confirmation one way or the other

[reef owl]

Okay great, cause, i had very few options in terms of armor when i played, and maybe fewer for weapons.

[brisk seal]

Question: Will the speed with which skill checks for lockpicking and etc... be looked at further? They felt quite fast.

[worthy veldt]

Does going in solo influence the other players team sizes?

[wraith veldt]

@whole sluice Thank you again for taking the time to answer our questions. Will there be another round of answering these questions in this format? If so when?

[paper panther]

No its completely random matchmaking, as it should be

[cold viper]

Is there any drop rates percentage amoung on the items? and if not will there be any plans on adding one?

[sand ibex]

When comparing rogue stealth to mage invis, rogue stealth feels awful for use during combat. Is it more intdended that stealth only be an initiator/escape mechanic when looking specifically towards rogue or do they want it to be something useful in combat like invis?

[whole sluice]

Dunno, I think the Devs are going to have a more formal Q&A. I just stepped in for a few minutes and it snowballed 😄

[whole sluice]

Most things are being looked at. As always, post in #feedback-hidden-archive 🙂

[whole sluice]

No

[paper panther]

Its useful in combat for the bonus damage from the perk, other tahn that it is intended as initiation/ escape

[whole sluice]

I don't have hardcore loot tables setup at this time

[shell trellis]

TBD?

[brisk seal]

You a real one. Was a good time.

[full lion]

does going solo influence spawn spots?

[fallow mirage]

Is there a place for a longer form of suggestion rather than #feedback-hidden-archive which seems there is a lot of spam?

[whole sluice]

To me the Rogue invis is for setting up an ambush, not turning a corner and 'disappearing'

[whole sluice]

No

[whole sluice]

Nope, it's still good, they comb through it all

[twin pawn]

@whole sluice thanks for helping the community and being so patient with QnA. How did you get in your position with the devs? Would they open up the floor to more community members such as yourself?

[fallow mirage]

ok thx

[whole sluice]

Just being friendly/helpful

[sand ibex]

Is the current starter gear going to be the same gear once level 1 is introduced?

[whole sluice]

As for opening, the original intent for Sages was to have additional people in the community help out precisely for that purpose )

[reef owl]

Oh i have one other question but feel free to ignore it, will they address XP differences in playstyle for clerics/wizards. And the rest of the cast of classes. Because if you don't bonk or kill enemies you don't get a lot of XP. For example. Me and my friends had about a 3 level difference because i wasn't getting last hits and was hanging back and healing and buffing and playing it safe.

[whole sluice]

Possibly. Until we get floor 1 and they test it out we won't knopw

[sand ibex]

ok ty

[worldly thunder]

Questions, will the max level cap be 20? any plans on letting a character have more than 4 perks?

[whole sluice]

I hope so. I like the idea of group shared XP

[cyan slate]

We are currently preparing a list of requirements for a lack of a better word to have some more transparency about the sage role. We are currently in a bit of a transitional period right now. There is definitely a desire for expansion, we need more sages since the community is growing so quickly.

[reef owl]

Yeah it would be nice, or atleast casting/healing xp based on if you took a specific damage

[whole sluice]

No mention of max level cap or full max level informatoin, however, it makes sense to be 20 because similarity between D&D

[worldly thunder]

kk, thanks

[twin pawn]

Will they open up Sage applications in the future?

[sleek vessel]

@ornate glen y u playing musioc in the vc

[reef owl]

Just feels really bad when you heal like a chad and get no xp

[whole sluice]

🤷 The position has changed a bit in the past few weeks

[ornate glen]

thought i was muted lmfao

[queen tree]

the real reward is being in a position of absolute power with your teammates

[worldly thunder]

and being full legendary after 20 hours 😉

[queen tree]

TRUE

[reef owl]

I accidently killed my friends three times with the twohanded hammer

[glossy basalt]

while they fight the last guy, you can get first picks on all the loot 😄 perks of a healer

[whole sluice]

Please keep this channel clear for just questions and answers. Discussion to the Discussion channels, please and thanks 🙂

❤️ you all though

[reef owl]

Will more class spells and abilities be added? for example. A charge spell for fighter, or more spell options, that you can change for cleric and wizard.

[whole sluice]

Yes. Spells for fighter maybe not so. However, they did mention looking into Multiclassing

[reef owl]

I meant spells like, sprint.

Abilities i guess i should say.

[whole sluice]

Oh, dunno. Thats more a balance issue than anything else. However, sprint is a skill, not a spell, so it wouldn't benefit from increased spell capacity

[reef owl]

Well i meant like, if they have sprint, as a skill, will there be more skills added later. And, how cleric has for example. Bless. Will a new spell be added and i can change out bless for that spell, to customize my playstyle and tailor to my comp

[whole sluice]

Oh, maybe? I'm sure they'll still have more options to choose from

The skill trees alone show icons for other skills so I would assume so

[reef owl]

Sounds fun, casters in DnD are always fun for that.

Also this game is based on 5th level dnd yes?

[brisk seal]

Even just not really knowing what a wizard might have on his spell list would be a big boon to wizards lol

[whole sluice]

Not sure tbh. It 'feels' like a mix of 3.5/5

[whole sluice]

I want grease so bad 😄

[brisk seal]

grease and burning hands bb

[sand ibex]

Do there exist any preview or concepts of the skill trees that are in development or is that information still private for now?

[whole sluice]

Just what was in the game itself

[worldly thunder]

is there any talk about adding a "offline" launcher? For training pve etc.?

[whole sluice]

Which only showed icons and a few tree paths

[whole sluice]

Not that I've heard

[shell trellis]

What's the reasoning or issues not keeping the game up?

[reef owl]

Summoning with cleric is so fun, sad they haven't added it.

[brisk seal]

sticks to snakes!

[brisk seal]

Development time wasted on upkeep rather than core mechanics.

[reef owl]

Exactly, that and cost.

Also helps keep people waiting and on the edge of their seat for any information.

[whole sluice]

Development

[shell trellis]

Evidently 😄

[modern prairie]

VR ? XD

[dire pebble]

+1 😄

[keen fern]

Does which level you’re on impact rarity if chest items if it’s the same chest type? Im after science/confirmed answers from devs. If I open a lions chest on t2 and one on t3 do they give the same chances at loot?

[reef owl]

Gimmy vr it'd be so funny

[whole sluice]

No info on VR

[whole sluice]

Yes

[reef owl]

Actually, that is a good question. Do specific chests give better loot for specific classes?

[whole sluice]

No

Rough picture about loot and floors

[dire pebble]

@whole sluice really appreciate your effort ;D very impressive how you single handed are the community manager ;D

[reef owl]

Is unique above epic?

[open lagoon]

all chests i open have better odds to give items from my teammates than me 🙂

[reef owl]

is that what yellow is?

[whole sluice]

🤣 Nah, just someone with too much time on their hands getting glares from their family 😄

[whole sluice]

Grey, White, Rare, Epic, Legendary, Unique (Is order)

I don't know what grey and white is considered tbh

[whole sluice]

Every chest you don't open actually has 1 legendary

[cyan slate]

Yep, sages aren't devs or community managers or anything. We just try to help out where we can. Maddcow has been putting in work today lmao.

[reef owl]

I had a legendary drop on floor 2

[chrome dagger]

Common Loot = Gray
Uncommon Loot = White

I believe, I could be wrong

[reef owl]

It was from a lions chest though.

[whole sluice]

Sounds about right

[whole sluice]

Bugged loot tables 🙂

[reef owl]

Oh i see.

Is there a planned level four and so on?

[open lagoon]

I try to tell this to my frens but they just reply that i should stop being a goblin 😄

[reef owl]

We going full diablo in here?

[whole sluice]

I don't believe so

[whole sluice]

Loot Goblins are the real winners

[chrome dagger]

I've heard it's B1, B2, B3, New maps are talked about but they don't seem to stray from the three layered dungeon model

[reef owl]

Honestly loot goblin rogues aren't as bad as you'd think in this game. They loot so quickly and usually if they're a good friend they'll give it to you for your class

[reef owl]

Oh okay, so there will be variety. Cool.

[chrome dagger]

Yeah, I'm not sure how legit it is but I heard about like a Goblin infested city as a b1 for a suggestion. I hope they go that route so I can channel my inner Goblin Slayer

Though the current map B1 will be a forest I think

[whole sluice]

I would love a kobold/lizard folk/dragon themed one

[whole sluice]

The only info we have is a screenshot of a cave from several months ago

Possible B1? 🤷

[wraith veldt]

@whole sluice What is your favorite part of the game so far?

[chrome dagger]

I've heard cave too. Either one would be cool, more maps would be amazing

[whole sluice]

Absolutely

[whole sluice]

ooooh... toughy

I like how it's deceptively simple

Nothing super convoluted, but still much depth

[dire pebble]

its like chess ... easy to learn, hard to master 😄

[wary acorn]

Yea because you are playing against other people trying to con you.

[whole sluice]

I'm a big fan of high skill floor games in general, but it's also just simple. Kill the things, get the things 😄

[patent flame]

can someone tell me what does every stat in the game?

[wraith veldt]

One of my favorite games is the Thief games from back in the day. @whole sluice Will there be any environmental type items in the game? Such as a water arrow/water potion to shoot out torches / moss potions you throw on the ground that silences your steps, etc

[worldly thunder]

not sure if this is confirmed but i heard rumors about wipe-cycles, are there any ideas of permanent progression? for example a hideout where u can upgrade the starting gear which doesnt get wiped? small things like grey to white

[whole sluice]

Agility Move Speed Action Speed Equip Speed Interaction Speed (Regular)
Knowledge Spell Casting Speed Interaction Speed (Magical)
Resourcefulness Interaction Speed (Regular)
Strength Health Physical Power Bonus Physical Power
Will Magic Resist Resist Rating Magic Power Bonus Magic Power Buff and Curse Durations

[whole sluice]

Not too sure, but I also love those thief games

[whole sluice]

Not sure about any wipe mechanics, nothing announced

[patent flame]

love you

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/random-random-citizen-megamind-citizen-super-hero-gif-5727130

[dire pebble]

i have a question / suggestion, we had a discussion about a guild system with beeing able to have like a private lobby like the queue room with like guild trophys liek the ones for first testers, the consesus was, that people would even pay real money to have that, maybe even some progression inside the guild hall for bigger pets etc

[whole sluice]

Sounds like a great thing for #feedback-hidden-archive

[glossy fox]

yeah guilds wold be fun addition

[whole sluice]

Would love guild housing

[pine marten]

For me its the trinkets and baubles and purple and gold text. Also the massacreing of the heathen rogue and ranger army

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-slayer-gif-18374467

After your 100th consecutive win towards meaty foot steps in the room nextdoor

[pine marten]

Cursed show

[steady holly]

How does one become sage?

[whole sluice]

The role is still in transition, so right now there isn't one.

It's changed like 3 or 4 times recently 😄

[wraith veldt]

I removed my text due to fake news 😂

[whole sluice]

The original 2 were picked by the Devs, then we brought on others, but because of things changing, the role has been on pause for now

Haha no worries, appreciate it 😄

[wraith veldt]

I'm assuming the #feedback-hidden-archive chat is also for suggestions?

[whole sluice]

Yarp

[atomic robin]

What is Interaction Speed (Magical)?

cast speed?

[whole sluice]

It's when you use Shrines, Escape Portal stones etc...

However, it didn't seem like it was functioning correctly

I would also think it 'might' be used for the doors on B3, but again I don't think it's working correctly

[atomic robin]

Oh, thx

[wicked summit]

Speaking of sage!? What are the benefits of being a sage?

[whole sluice]

Nothing. As it is the position is being dissolved I think

[atomic robin]

We checked, 1 knowledge give you 5% cast speed, what about other stats?
1 strength gives rogue 0.8 dmg

[wicked summit]

i see i see

[lavish elk]

Some classes definitely open the portals faster then others, so its at least partially in.

[whole sluice]

But it was just community volunteers, nothing special

[whole sluice]

Thats interaction (Regular)

[lavish elk]

Fair enough.

[atomic robin]

rogue open faster 100%, because of high agi

[wicked summit]

im pretty sure its resourcefulness

that being said, a ranger can do it faster

at default ofc

[atomic robin]

both

[whole sluice]

Agi and Res. both gave interaction speed. Res. was twice as potent though

[wicked summit]

agh i see i see

[lavish elk]

Resourcefulness increases interaction speed by a higher amount then agility, but agility does it to.

[wicked summit]

yea so i have noticed all these smaller side skills

gotta check faq's

[atomic robin]

What about agi and str? how much you got for 1 point? Its similar for all classes?

[whole sluice]

There are thresholds that change how much each stat is weighed

[atomic robin]

oh, ok

[whole sluice]

In 'genera' 1 Str = 2HP & 1% Phys Power

Agi was 'roughly 1 Move speed, 1-2% action speed, 5% equip speed and like 2.4% interaction (Regular)

[wicked summit]

interesting

[whole sluice]

But again, there are point thresholds where you get more or less

[atomic robin]

thank you very much, we will test other stats on next test, hope will add pracrise room

[whole sluice]

Agreed

Here is the values for AGI on action speed

Oops, apparently I can't spam 😄

[atomic robin]

OH NO )

[whole sluice]

Lemme screenshot

Anything below 15 is a penalty and is worht a lot per point

Anything over is minor benefit until 25 AGI, then you are getting 2% instead of 1% per point of AGI for Action Speed

[atomic robin]

Its very useful information, ty

road to top

[mellow slate]

Interesting.

[whole sluice]

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask

[steady holly]

uhhh, can we have these tables?

[wicked summit]

So as for will power it states that it improves buffs/duration. So does that mean with high will power for the clerics bless ability in which gives a solid +5 to all stats should be increased to a higher number?

[whole sluice]

I mean, you can have the screenshots of mine

I'd rather not give them out so I can make a wiki

Or at least organize them into a more formal doc

[steady holly]

fair enough i guess

[lavish elk]

Please

[timber thunder]

So if it was working correctly a wizard would open portals faster then other classes

[lavish elk]

Post it as view mode

[steady holly]

but yes, i'd appreciate screenshots

[whole sluice]

Not higher number, duration. However, there is no duration number on the character sheet

[atomic robin]

true magic power work on rogue poison dmg?

[whole sluice]

Correct

[whole sluice]

Yes

[wicked summit]

hmm so many questions.... to many to ask but maybe for another time

feel like im always bothering you with it lmfao

[whole sluice]

Nah, I don't mind tbh

Love helping out others

[wicked summit]

trynna break down a cleric down to the bones

lol

[whole sluice]

Thats easy. Use a large warhammer

[mellow slate]

What did/does the Barbarians "+1 Weapon Impact" skill do/mean vs NPCs/Players? Or does it only affect the destructibles?

[wicked summit]

well yea ofc that is how i be doing it lol

[whole sluice]

It's for shield stability damage. However, it's not 100% working correctly

[mellow slate]

Mmmm!

[wicked summit]

i just think theres more

but on another note, thanks for the details ill be back lol

[tranquil plinth]

What if you make castspeed 100%? Instant everything?

[whole sluice]

No, it's 100% of the original speed. So if it takes 2 seconds, now it's 1 second

[hexed canopy]

hi, what is the difference between: weapon damage, true phys damage and additional phys damage?

[whole sluice]

True damage bypasses all resistances/armor. Everything else is just added before Magic/Phys Power % modifiers

[tranquil plinth]

Also how does spell capacity works and how it is affected by will stat?

[whole sluice]

It wasn't in the last build

[tranquil plinth]

Then how it's supposed to be woking?

[whole sluice]

We don't know, because it isn't in

It should 'in theory' allow you to cast more spells

[lusty pasture]

I found a piece of equipment that had the attribute, "+2 Magical Healing". What does that mean?

[whole sluice]

Healing spells heal for more

[hexed canopy]

and also what is about phys healing ?

[whole sluice]

Phys healing = potions, bandages, campfire etc

[hexed canopy]

if we are speaking about potions, does phys healing increase the total amount of recovery or hp from one tick?

[lusty pasture]

Good to know. Must've been RNG stat allotment because the "+2 Magical Healing" was on a Fighter-only chest.

[tranquil plinth]

Then how does it affect those items? I mean we were testing this one and didn't see the difference. F.e. potion heals for 20, if I get +10 physical healing how does this one change the ammount?

[whole sluice]

Total

[whole sluice]

Yup

[whole sluice]

+4phys healing means a +10 HP bandage is now +14. A +15 HP potion is now +19. However, it does effect each 'tick' of a campfire. So you will heal 5 + (Phys healing+ per second/tick

[hexed canopy]

any ideas to add possibility to roll stats on items?

[whole sluice]

However, because it's healed over time, it will round some of the tickets to a different number

[whole sluice]

? Whatcha mean?

[tranquil plinth]

Does any stat affect shields mechanic (protection of cleric, blue potions, protection shrines)?

[hexed canopy]

maybe we will able to find some items that can be used on gear and they will change the stats on gear?

[whole sluice]

Possibly Will for duration, but I didn't do much caster testing this play test

[whole sluice]

Like Path of Exile? Haven't heard anything like that.

[tranquil plinth]

Yes I did test this one aswell and at least I saw the difference of "bless" duration

[whole sluice]

Bless is a spell, not a potion or shrine though

Spells DO get effected by will

But I don't know about non spell things

[tranquil plinth]

this also affects "protection" spell and ammount of damage absorbed?

[whole sluice]

I believe Will DOES increase damage absorbed, but I don't have definitive testing this playtest

[atomic robin]

Can any phys skill(for example rupture) be affected by any of the stats? Does any stat increase DOT damage output?

[whole sluice]

Depends on the source of the DOT. If it's physical based, +phys does more damage, if it's magic +magic etc...

That being said, +str effects Phys Based Power %, Will effects Magic Based Power %

[tranquil plinth]

Also how does will/spellpower affect smite damage output of cleric? Increase percentage or directly adds damage to it? F.e. if it says "10 damage with each hit" does this mean that is I get +10 magical damage I get 20 damage as the result?

[hexed canopy]

we played a lot with a good gear and all fights looked like a game of 'oneshots' cuz any class was able to oneshot another class, do you have any plans how to increase def mechanics ?

[whole sluice]

I'm pretty sure the latter, but haven't tested casters this time. But, it would seem to be following the damage fomula. After all flat bonuses are calculated (For phys or magic) you then multiply those by your Phys Power %, or Magic Power % respectively

[whole sluice]

Less about fixing defense and more about fixing the damage calculations

[atomic robin]

What red line on lockpick? Instant open?

[whole sluice]

Yes

[atomic robin]

rogue+cleric+ranger vs community manager

[steady holly]

agility influences spell casting?

[atomic robin]

no

[whole sluice]

We need to elect a victim... erm... Community Manager

[whole sluice]

Nope, just Knowledge

[steady holly]

i see, it's just that there was this info on the table, so i wasn't sure

[atomic robin]

What about fall damage?

[whole sluice]

What info?

[whole sluice]

No fall damage

[atomic robin]

ok

[hexed canopy]

do you have any plans to fix stats information in lobby? for example weapon damage

[whole sluice]

Thats a Dev question for #feedback-hidden-archive 😄

[royal narwhal]

no plans for fall damage?

[whole sluice]

Haven't heard any, but that doesn't mean much tbh

[neat bramble]

of course there will be fall damage lol

[royal narwhal]

@neat bramble oh? you must know something i don't.

[whole sluice]

I know, do tell

[hexed canopy]

@whole sluice any plans to add wall spike in murderer leader board?

[whole sluice]

Haha

I have a plan for this next playtest personally

[neat bramble]

because it's unbalanced when you can escape situations by running up somewhere high and jumping off the ledge with no consequence, and then there's the realism part

[royal narwhal]

unbalanced by what definition? sounds like a viable and interesting strategy to me

[whole sluice]

If a mechanic is broken, but everyone has access to that mechanic, is it unbalanced? 🤔

[neat bramble]

the map with the big round circle that had a dark pit, you could escape every single encounter that you were about to lose simply by hopping down

[royal narwhal]

yes, and that made it more interesting. still not sure how that's unbalanced

that central area is already dangerous enough

[whole sluice]

And then they either run around in the dark and die because there are only 3 real exits, or you light a torch and get punked?

Just camp the stairs they can come up 😄

[neat bramble]

okay, then lets add escape button in menu that allows you to leave lobby with loot because that makes it more interesting

[whole sluice]

Or just after

[royal narwhal]

c'mon now, you're being a bit ridiculous :)

[whole sluice]

I want an escape button from this conversation

[tight wyvern]

i mean if you have a bow they cant really be safe when they jump down

😄

just click heads ya know?

[neat bramble]

well it's pitch black down there

[timber thunder]

My fireballs are gonna love u jumping down

[tight wyvern]

yeah but most people have potions

so you can see them

[green python]

Fall damage will mean kiting is harder

Don't add 😠

Lol

[tranquil plinth]

One of the 2-nd level maps has a maze right in the center. It has 2 levels and the entraces are pretty far away from the actual center. We've met sutuations, when portals appear on the other level then you are and you just can't reach them without dieing. Is this one supposed to be so or it's just the thing to be fixed/changed later?

[neat bramble]

most people figured out not to have potions on their belt precisely because of that 😄

[tight wyvern]

Hah "most" idk about that one people are not the best at learning

[floral tendon]

anyone feel like a sidestep manouver would make combat better? I find footsies lacking in this game a bit. Maybe tied to stamina or something.

[royal narwhal]

footsies are fine, imo. it's quite easy to whiff punish if you're using the right class/build

e.g. rogue

[tight wyvern]

yeah like rouge 😃 you miss the stab i just stab you in the face and walk back

[floral tendon]

guess i need to play more. as abarbarian it feel like you pretty much need to eat the attacks.

[royal narwhal]

barb is slow, that's life

[celest mural]

Game could use a designated thrust attack for every weapon

[neat bramble]

what i would be fine with is if they add a Slowfall potion so if you really wanted to take that kind of escape, you would need an item for it

[tight wyvern]

can always use a faster weapon in the end

[floral tendon]

I guess thats what armor is for. Never really got geared out.

[tight wyvern]

felling axe is fast if you hit

[whole sluice]

One of the few that gets faster as you chop

It's fun

[tight wyvern]

its very fun

thats what i only used as my barb

when i could that is

[whole sluice]

I liked the Horseman too much on barb

[tight wyvern]

Zwi all the way

[steady holly]

"-50% spell casting speed" on the chart

[tight wyvern]

im looking forward to see what levels will do to each class

[whole sluice]

Thats just base stats, the columns in green are the onyl stats that changed

Thats why I don't want to post things, because people take things out of context 😄

I will clean it up eventually and get the info out

[whole sluice]

Level 3 is menswear

[floral tendon]

I'm guessing this game's combat is more about gear than say footsies? Like a barb needs to have strong armor to tank hits and win and exchange? Could be why I was doing so bad. never really got properly geared up.

[tight wyvern]

Also is the goblin trader just a random thing that happens?

[whole sluice]

Footsies > Gear to a certain extent

[whole sluice]

Time/day based

[celest mural]

Footsies is more important than armor

[royal narwhal]

play rogue and you'll see how strong footsies are

as barb you just can't afford to whiff

[tight wyvern]

i see i see

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-weed-whiff-marijuana-dope-gif-4790887

[floral tendon]

for classes with quick weapons yes. But I had a hard time with the two handers. Just gotta get good I guess and use the range better.

[steady holly]

i didn't meant to, i just wasn't sure :c

[tight wyvern]

Whiffs are wild

[celest mural]

That’s why I say the game could use a dedicated alternative attack type even if it’s something simple like just reversing the order of your attack combo

[royal narwhal]

two handers are inherently slower, gonna be harder to play reactively. them's the breaks

you're using the wrong weapons/build if you want to play footsies

[whole sluice]

It's all good 🙂 No harm, no foul 😄

[steady holly]

Why does magic missile sometimes "follow?" targets, or turn, and other just go straight?

[floral tendon]

yeah I think you just need better armor to eat some hits with the two handers which i never got around to getting.

[whole sluice]

It has a slight homing, but it has... performance issues

[celest mural]

Magic Missile has tracking it’s just odd

[whole sluice]

To be fair, there isn't a class that really is intended to 'trade' hits

[steady holly]

i thought barbarian was meant to eat hits for breakfast

[floral tendon]

how much tankier is the barbarian armor than the others/

[whole sluice]

No. It just allows him to sacrifice HP to get closer

[tight wyvern]

i feel barbs are more akin to take a mace to the face

[steady holly]

fair enough

[whole sluice]

Barb is supposed to be an HP tank, not a Armor tank

[royal narwhal]

barb armor is less tanky than fighter, they can't wear plate

[whole sluice]

Fighter is Armor Tank