q-and-a

[whole sluice]

Alt

Alt and drag I believe

[naive marten]

is there no way to do it in the trade menu?

[whole sluice]

Nopd

Nope

[naive marten]

oof, alright

[pearl mulch]

can you break chests open? a skeleton broke one trying to attack me

[opal hedge]

Was it a chest or a box/barrel etc

[whole sluice]

Barbs can

Enemies can break barrels, boxes, doors and chests

[spare carbon]

Can barbs break locked chests?

[whole sluice]

No

[opal hedge]

I guess with the "smash" perk?

ah kk

[pearl mulch]

ah

[spare carbon]

Also, havent seen it here before but the lich's purple orb that chases you, kiting it into skeletons gets rid of the orb

[main falcon]

Is there any way to team up while already in the dungeon?

So essentially like a way solos can team before progressing

[whole sluice]

I mean, don't attack eachother, but there isn't really a 'teaming' thing.

[main falcon]

Cool that's what I needed to know cause I think that's what I want to suggest

[whole sluice]

#feedback-hidden-archive 🙂

[main falcon]

Already got something typed out. Just didn't want to hit enter and someone say it's already in the game lol

[whole sluice]

😄

If I might add my own spin, have that work in the lobby as well

Assuming they aren't insta queues down the road

[vale bobcat]

what weapons can you dual wield as a fighter?

[main falcon]

oh yeah, that's actually a good idea. personally think they could just add a few things to the lobby that are interactable or even add a lobby que for people to team up without it just being an lfg window

[thin prism]

is it actually possible to sidestep skeletons or do you just backstep

[whole sluice]

Both, if you're too slow movespeed it will hit sidestep

[whole sluice]

I want to say Cast. Dagger, and Hatchet are two of the ones that I can think off the top of my head, but I don't main fighter (Those being off hands) Any primary will do

[sand sparrow]

does standing in the white dot at the end no longer take you to hell?

[whole sluice]

To be fair, I've never seen that actually happen so I can't tell if it was ever a thing, or a rumor

[sand sparrow]

ok, and a second question. Do you know if bow/magic shield stagger is being looked at? Some times I literally cant block their shots, the first one blows the shield away

[whole sluice]

Everything is being looked at tbh. It's still super early in development and the stability mechanic was added this last playtest

[jaunty thicket]

heard tking has been a big issue with random teaming, but friendly fire is important for positioning. karma system for matchmaking?

[sinful cypress]

My game is stuck saying connecting, I've tried reinstalling. What's causing this?

[whole sluice]

#feedback-hidden-archive That being said, I'm a huge fan of karma for EVERY game. Everyone gets to up or down people they play with. People with similar scores get matched together. If you are a degenerate who downvotes everyone, your votes don't count and you get that point value instead after a certain amount

[whole sluice]

Server issue usually. Just closing and restarting a few times tends to fix it. But I'm not the tech dept. just personal experience and what I hear 🙂

[sinful cypress]

damn, okay. Thanks

[jaunty thicket]

could tag players with "chaotic" "neutral" and "lawful" for the odnd vibes 😉

[whole sluice]

LOVE it

[hot lantern]

with lock picking and the spinning dial/red marker, what button do you press to activate that?

[whole sluice]

Spacebar

[hot lantern]

Okay thanks!

[granite forum]

To get to the third level do you have to kill the boss?

[whole sluice]

The boss is the third level

[granite forum]

To get to the third level do you have to kill the mob in the center

[whole sluice]

Take a red portal

That being said, you 'start' on the 'second' level

The first floor is not currently in the game

[granite forum]

oooooooooooooooooooh

OOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[sharp cosmos]

Right now you start on floor 2 as Cow said

[vast monolith]

does liches health reset if you deagro him?

[whole sluice]

Yes

[analog crest]

What are you supposed to do on the BLUE Lich wave thing, i know purple is to group/stack

[whole sluice]

Not sure, haven't done any personal testing on bosses this playtest. 'Supposedly' you need to also distance yourself, but the red mechanic already does that. My guess is it is shared among the mobs if I had to take a random stab in th dark to create an encounter that doesn't require specific builds

[near wharf]

Hey fam, is the stat "+ X Magical Healing" working????

[dusk ibex]

Is spellcapacity not in or something +2 spell cap necklace i still had 5/5 spells

[whole sluice]

Yes

[whole sluice]

Spell capacity is not functioning in this test

[jaunty thicket]

hehehe just sold some good spell capacity gloves at a premium 😂

[dim scarab]

Blue wave you run to your cleric while pulling the melee mobs, and it shares the damage between everything. Then the cleric heals

[whole sluice]

Wild west with regards to pricing. Seen absolute junk sell for 750+, and some best in slot stuff for only 500

[pseudo flame]

So many people with basic gear... It's so annoying

[twin willow]

I always run starter gear till i find better stuff. Only buy bandages and fire places etc. Vendors mostly got garbage so i dont even waste my time.

[sinful cypress]

Do shields on your back protect you?

[pseudo flame]

Peasant

[whole sluice]

No

[twin willow]

Nah just lazy and want to get back into the game faster.

[quaint solstice]

how do you beat the lich on hell floor?

[whole sluice]

Probably best to ask in #game-discussion to get other people's inputs

[quaint solstice]

ok

[silver mist]

anyone got a breakdown on how to kill lich and now the ghost king as well since the golems are invul?

[earnest nebula]

I have an offhand dagger which has "+0.7% physical damage bonus" and "+2 physical power", will these stats apply to my mainhand damage as well or just to the offhand dagger attacks?

[whole sluice]

If you are eqwuipped with both daggers, you get all the stats of both on each hit

No matter which combo you use

[earnest nebula]

thank you!

[whole sluice]

Sure thing 🙂

[silver mist]

and how does the parry on the longsword work?

[whole sluice]

The weapon itself is the hitbox, the exact mesh. There is no cone, so you have to intercept where the other attack is coming from with your weapon. Very tight window

[silver mist]

what happens when you parry and attack?

[whole sluice]

You do a cool twirly coujnter attack for good damage

[peak bluff]

Lich:
Don't stop moving, stay grouped up
Blue circle = single soak will do 50% max hp
Purple circle = group soak will do 100% max hp split between everyone that soaks
Slow purple ball just take fists out and kite it into a skeleton

[reef owl]

How much is 100 magic resistance worth in percentage

[sharp cosmos]

To expand. Since I forget, but outside of the different stats/stat stick, weapon pattern, or damage. Is using an off hand better than just 1 main hand?

[weary coral]

what is knowledge?

and what does it do

[whole sluice]

18.9%'

But thats assuming it's ONLY and not increased

[whole sluice]

Knowledge Spell Casting Speed Interaction Speed (Magical)

[whole sluice]

Honestly it depends

[sharp cosmos]

I guess it mostly boils down to preference then eh? Or combos?

[whole sluice]

Both but yeah

[golden cedar]

probably the wrong channel to ask this in but how do you fight ghost king now?

[rich nymph]

Is there a specific combo for dual wielding? like alternating attacks or right right left kind of thing? Or are they all individual attacks, nothing special

[peak bluff]

Not sure, we've been trying today but nothings really worked.

[whole sluice]

They chamber. So if you combo left 1, combo left 2, combo right 1, combo left 3

But you can't pause or stop holding down the button(s)

Otherwise it resets them

[peak bluff]

youre forced to fight it with the magma guys, best bet is do it borderline naked for speed

[rich nymph]

OH Im supposed to hold them down in order to get the fluid combo?

[whole sluice]

Yeah

[brittle whale]

we beat the ghost king with ranger/wizard/barb just dodging the lava golem explosions

[rich nymph]

so I hold Left click for attacks 1 and two, then release and hold right click for the off hand attack?

[whole sluice]

Don't release, just roll from left to right

But yeah

[rich nymph]

got it, from one button to the next, i'll try em out! @whole sluice thanks!

[whole sluice]

Sure thing

[late sentinel]

bro the 3 man portal not spawning in the final circle is nerve racking

[wet mantle]

Does defense potion and cleric defense stack?

[wintry moss]

Is there any benefit of dual wielding as a rogue? It doesn't seem any faster than just spamming M1

[whole sluice]

No, the spell will replace the potion

[whole sluice]

Stat sticks, combo chamber and animation cancelling

[wintry moss]

Ah cool; thanks!

[sharp cosmos]

I personally see more use of dual wielding for a rogue that intends to fight head on I guess due to the combos and all. Otherwise I’d prolly use it as a stat stick since the aim is to just shank from behind. Unless I’m totes wrong

[whole sluice]

Right Combo 1, Right Combo 2, then spam left click until you want a massive one hit headshot hit

[shadow knoll]

archers are aids, you spam attacking them in the head and they just que up arrows like nothing..k

[boreal torrent]

Is the weak point attack from rouges bugged?

I am hitting the dummy and it does less dmg after using the skill rather than give more

[brittle plover]

Any1 know about the pick pocket perk of rouge ?

I cant understand what the point of it

[whole sluice]

It's kinda memey right now

[whole sluice]

Nope, were you hitting a limb and/or the shaft and not the tip/blade

[upper wolf]

for cleric is there a way to refresh your abilities/healing spells?

[brittle plover]

Lol

[vague anvil]

Campfire 🔥

[upper wolf]

also for melee weapons, is there a setting or a way to control the direction your swinging? or is it completely random

[whole sluice]

It'a s set combo

[odd cloud]

check ingame help menu, has the swipe direction required for melee attack angles

[upper wolf]

oh so its like always gonna be on preset aloop for example: left left right up right etc?

[whole sluice]

Yup

Each weapon is differnt

[muted pumice]

Is there locational damage?

[whole sluice]

Headshots 150%, torso 100, limbs 50%

Armor location doesn't matter

[grand umbra]

You can break the rare locked flat wooden chests, like reinforced or flat.

[boreal torrent]

I was aiming for the same spot every time

doing 23 dmg normally then 37 with skill then 22 with debuff

[whole sluice]

Something was changed on your end though, because it works fine everytime for me

Were you using Castillion dagger?

[boreal torrent]

No

Rondel

[whole sluice]

Not sure, unless you were hitting a different spot

Although, I believe the dummy has 0, so I don't think it reflects

Lemme test

[sturdy shuttle]

how the lich chest works?

[peak bluff]

What do you mean?

[sturdy shuttle]

there is one who you lockpick , and one with long interaction time

[peak bluff]

Oh, the treasure pile you can grab from, takes a long time.

[sturdy shuttle]

the items go direct to your inventory?

[peak bluff]

gives you random items, gold,candy,ect every grab

yeah

[sturdy shuttle]

hmm

[vagrant scaffold]

can you get charges back for the ranger's healing skill?

[sturdy shuttle]

Okay, thanks 🙂

[boreal torrent]

I didn't, always same spot because i can tell other areas are less dmg so i went for the head only and didn't move mouse while attacking

[peak bluff]

Not that I'm aware of

[vagrant scaffold]

i tried a campfire but no luck

[whole sluice]

And I tested, the armor debuff doesn't do anything

Because the dummy is at 0 armor

So you get the 50% bonus, but nothing after

[peak bluff]

Campfires

[vagrant scaffold]

i guess 3 charges, a free campfire, then another 3 charges would of been a BIT bullshit lmao

[boreal torrent]

Yes but it should stay consistent 23 dmg not lower to 22 while debuff is active

[whole sluice]

No, the test dummy has negative 10 armor

The debuff brings it to 0

[boreal torrent]

Ahh

[whole sluice]

At least I'm 99% sure

[boreal torrent]

That does makes sense if it happens like that

Idk why it would tho

[whole sluice]

Yeah, the dummy is a bit weird that way

Because if you have 0 armor rating, you take 10% more damage

Check your character when fully nekkid

[inner wind]

What do each of the stats do?

[whole sluice]

Agility Move Speed Action Speed Equip Speed Interaction Speed (Regular)
Knowledge Spell Casting Speed Interaction Speed (Magical)
Resourcefulness Interaction Speed (Regular)
Strength Health Physical Power Bonus Physical Power
Will Magic Resist Resist Rating Magic Power Bonus Magic Power Buff and Curse Durations

[inner wind]

ty ty!

[full storm]

what is skeleton key ?

[sand plume]

A key you get off the skeleton boss - it opens the top door of the tower - many treasure

[boreal torrent]

Is there a bug with right click suddenly making you attack non-stop

🩴

[cedar jasper]

that maybe the golden key, the skull key is used at other place

[sand plume]

Oh I see my bad

Anyone know what fist damage is?

[whole sluice]

13 BASE

Caps

[plucky lagoon]

skull key is a key you get from hell floor bosses (at least I did) and opens a door in the south central zone on the ghost king map

[sand plume]

haha so equal to default dagger

[plucky lagoon]

It has chests and did have a unique weapon spawn when I went in the one time

[sand plume]

I was punching wizzards to death and was like wth

[whole sluice]

I can donkey punch ppl for 100 in really good gear

New Monk class confirmed

[sand plume]

poison rougue fists

[whole sluice]

Don't use poison

[shy thicket]

Is there a way to report players inviting and team killing me at spawn in for my loot? Or is that just allowed

[whole sluice]

I mean. It's crappy, but not breaking any rules. You could prally find out more in #report-wicked-mod-only ?

[shy thicket]

Thank you.

[whole sluice]

You got it

[icy stratus]

Damn that’s taking toxicity to the next level 💀💀💀

[shy thicket]

Right. I mean it's supposed to be a team based game but I don't have any personal friends that play so I'm forced to solo. It's happened to me the only two times I have gotten on a team. Very frustrating.

[plucky lagoon]

yeahh id recommend not bringing in any gear you care about when playing with strangers, you never know how they will play at first

[boreal torrent]

Just buy a better weapon

Increases survival by a lot.

I solo btw and it is frustrating since exits are awful and they spawn on the worst places where there's like 100 enemies

There's not enough healing item drops as well

[viral wigeon]

Are all bows long-range, or just longbow? (for the perk)

[whole sluice]

All bows

[viral wigeon]

ty

[frank osprey]

Is dual wield worth it? Does not seem to be faster

[flat kernel]

In my experience with rogue, dual wielding just slows you down unless you want the stats from a purple+ offhand

[whole sluice]

The main reason I feel is the 3rd combo in the Cast to be stored

[silver mist]

how is the ghost king supposed to be killed now that the golems are invuln?

[vestal notch]

Any idea why at 90HP full I get one hit by a judgement? does +5 True Magical damage buff it that much? That's all I saw on his gear.

[whole sluice]

Hard to tell without VoD tbh

[vestal notch]

yeah second time I've been full healthed out by a Judgment, but only seen + true magical damage on the gear. It much do some super buffing. Wish there was a way to tell how much it buffs.

for some reason my Shadow Play doesn't work.

[nimble nebula]

Does anyone know if there is any kind of API or database for developers to use?

[tight wyvern]

To fix that start to record using the middle option then your shadowplay should work

thats how i got mine to work

[vestal notch]

ight

[tight wyvern]

Started a recording, ended it, then my instant replays started working again

[vestal notch]

you right, odd

[tight wyvern]

🤷‍♂️ idk why

[naive stratus]

does magical power work for/increase healing

[whole sluice]

Yes

[naive stratus]

ty!

[cedar dawn]

what time do exit portals spawn in the circle?

[whole sluice]

Whenever the circle shrinks or the swarm closes in after the first full phase on B2, B3 they spawn around 3 minutes in 1, 1 and 2 pattern

[cedar dawn]

oh so can be quite early then

or 3 minutes remaining ?

[whole sluice]

Yeah, but it's a HUGE area it can spawn in

I rarely find the first one tht spawns in

[whole sluice]

Oh, remaining

[summer forge]

Yea I took 50 dmg from judgement through a door from someone with 0 buffs on their gear

[whole sluice]

Yup. Spells can get nutty

Will power gains twice the stat growth in damage than phys

Plus hardly any resist gear for magic

[summer forge]

Wizard feels kinda clunky at times but yea sometimes you just blast someone with a double fireball

[whole sluice]

Hoduken!

[summer forge]

And everytime I swap between insta cast skill and meditate I want the other

[whole sluice]

heh

[dreamy radish]

is it possible to kill a lava monster?

[candid imp]

Not the ones in boss room they are invincible now

[warm elm]

The one south of boss arena can be killed though.

behind the double doors

[late zinc]

For what need skull key?

[sour night]

Is rogue poison still affected by magical damage, just not as heavily as last time, or is it not at all affected?

[whole sluice]

The skeleton door is opened with it

[whole sluice]

Magic still works on it, but total damage, not per tick

[steady holly]

what is "physical healing"?

[whole sluice]

Adds healing to bandages, potions and campfires

[steady holly]

ty

[whole sluice]

Sure thing

[steady holly]

on potions, is it per tick, or overall?

[whole sluice]

Overall

Campfires is per tick

[naive stratus]

where is the skeleton door 😅 so skeleton door is different from golden key door id assume, never seen it!

[whole sluice]

Skeleton door is bottom middle of one of the B3 floor variants. HUGE giant door, can't miss it

[naive stratus]

ooo interesting

[flat kernel]

Oh interesting I thought it was always to stuff like ranger rations

[golden rock]

So like, one more extension?

[wide jungle]

Will there be a reset?

[whole sluice]

Yes

[late zinc]

how many time we have for play this playtest?

[whole sluice]

44 mins

[viral marsh]

do we have numbers for the AI health from this playtest?

curious to know

[whole sluice]

Nope

[viral marsh]

kk

[steady holly]

when will we be blessed with this game again, @whole sluice ?

i will cry myself to sleep in 42 minutes

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/d2-soon-smirk-smile-grin-gif-15460641

But in reality, I dunno

I would put money before the end of the year

But not sure if they'll do 2 at the end of each month around the holidays

So we'll see

Hedge my bets to early Dec prally

[thin rune]

just keep the game up for another week

[wary acorn]

keep it up forever

[quiet patio]

Where do i use skull key

I pulled it off lich

[wispy imp]

i really hope they put up a early access version soon

[valid forge]

had a blast during this playtest i can't wait for the next one

[grand umbra]

There is a Skull fortress room on Floor 3 that has large doors and a lava monster that you use the key to open the inner keep to it's loot room.

[late zinc]

GG

[nimble kayak]

Is there a way to avoid spike trap on the floor ? Throw smthing on it or some other way ? Or only Rouge can disarm it if he have a perk?

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/recappa-sedai-wheel-talk-wheel-of-time-wot-best-thing-ever-gif-18175712

[sand plume]

NOOOOO

ITS GONE

[paper drift]

is playtest over?

[worn nebula]

@digital quiver Thank you daddy, i hope u see this amongst the spam uWu

[whole sluice]

And with that, I bid adieu

I need sleepage

Yeah

[safe moon]

jump across its corners!

[grand umbra]

It is indeed.

[worn nebula]

@whole sluice thank you senpapi 😄

[whole sluice]

Both happy and sad

I need some much time to catch up on sleep

[worn nebula]

im on suicide watch, i blame ironmace 😦

[whole sluice]

Thank you for helping out as well 🙂

[grand umbra]

Got some good info in?

[whole sluice]

Yeah

[worn nebula]

i stacked str and was runningaround with 38 str

146hp lol

[whole sluice]

Pretty much all the Armor resistance values and curve, the stats, weapon min. max values etc

Any info on spreadsheets you want to see?

I can show you the best armor for movement speed penalty 😄

[grand umbra]

I love spreadsheets, but a specific value doesn't come to mind.

Is it Loose Pants?

[whole sluice]

Plate Boots

Legendary on average gives 10.75 armor per movement penalty

Well in the case positive penalty

[grand umbra]

They're -3 for about 30 some armor, makes sense.

[daring spindle]

Any chance for warden in Party?

[grand umbra]

But that's a bit of a fallacy, since I don't believe in non-quickfoot

[whole sluice]

But heavy gauntlet wins

Bottom is best

Lightfoot is best foot

[grand umbra]

Yeah, Lightfoot + Loose Trousers + doublet was often what I was running.

[whole sluice]

Anything less than 150 armor is better to run more movespeed light stuff

But after that you go back up the armor per point ratio

And it's better to stack armor

[grand umbra]

Usually just ignored helm unless I had a pretty solid Gambeson and a solid Gjer helm to go with it.

[whole sluice]

Unique windlass crossbow wins for the highest maximum damage value in the game

[worn nebula]

bruh where u getting these sheets u gotta be related to ironmace some how

[whole sluice]

Playing the game

I do analytics and QA as a hobby 😄

And I fricken love excel

[grand umbra]

It's just a matter of writing down the info you saw.

[whole sluice]

Still made top 10 on treasure hunting to even with all this

Makes me happy 😄

The only stat that I didn't get as much meta data on was move speed to % ratios

[worn nebula]

krapst will one day

accept my steam friend request

lmaoo

[whole sluice]

I'll talk to him for you

heh 200+ club

[grand umbra]

I purposely didn't leave it up while sleeping to not artificially inflate my hours. Only 115 for me though.

[whole sluice]

Mine isn't inflated 😄

[worn nebula]

it is, by meth

lol

[grand umbra]

Well you have a extra playtest of advantage

[whole sluice]

I've been in all 3 playtests

Now, I just need to convince them to let me play remotely on their private servers for more data

That test dummy and I

[worn nebula]

loool

[grand umbra]

Were you meaning like which stat was more effective between +Move speed, and +%move speed?

[worn nebula]

ur 1 lucky cow

Also madcow in regards to the skull key

[whole sluice]

No

[worn nebula]

does the giant skull in b3 relate to it?

[whole sluice]

So this game uses 'neutral' stat lines

For armor it's 10, Stats it's 15, move speed is 300

Anything below those is a penalty, anything above is a positive

[grand umbra]

Oh okay, the curve

[tulip jacinth]

is it possible to check leaderboard now

[whole sluice]

But the problem with move speed is that it's similar to Interaction Regular and 2 stats effected it

[worn nebula]

take that award maddcowqq

[tulip jacinth]

i got rank 12 archer for kills but want to check end stats

[nimble kayak]

Nerf longbows ! ;p

[worn nebula]

u deserved it ❤️

[whole sluice]

I also found that sometimes the move speed didn't work correctly. For instance, 1 AGI is worth 1 move speed. I had a chest piece that gives -10 armor, but +3 to all stats. Gave me a net of -7 move speed. Made sense. But my pants were -3 speed and I have +4 agi. I LOST 2 move speed from them

And it happened with another helmet I was using

So I figured that there were 2 stats conflicting with movespeed so the data wasn't useful

It's why I gave up on Resourcefulness as a stat to measure, because it and agi both have different values based on thresholds

Res. is 'roughly' 2 times better than Agi but only for interaction (regular)

[fluid estuary]

did anyone kill the ghost king after the patch? our squad couldn't manage it anymore

[worn nebula]

res and knowledge aint even in the game bruhh

[whole sluice]

Please take to #game-discussion

[whole sluice]

Yeah they are

Fopdoodles is outdated

[grand umbra]

That is odd. I paid a lot of attention to how gear was affecting my move speed, and didn't see anything like that. Wonder what the other factor was.

[whole sluice]

Yeah

[worn nebula]

ahhh

[whole sluice]

So for instance in our first draft these were the movement speeds we were getting

And it followed the similar .3/.4 ratio that a lot of stats had

However, Armor had a curve that reverses itself between 146 and 150

Where you start losing and then gaining more armor per point

[worn nebula]

yes if u have a time machine

[whole sluice]

It's why you seem to get to 20% easy, but then nothing for a while, and then suddenyl you're at like 40-50%

[grand umbra]

I assume MR also had a similar curve?

[whole sluice]

Nope

[tulip jacinth]

talking about dmg reduction?

[worn nebula]

@whole sluice is this what sleep looks like

lol

[whole sluice]

MR and Will were super stronk

[worn nebula]

THE STRONK ONLY GUYS UP

[whole sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-aquaman-bro-gif-18498968

I'll sleep when I'm dead 😄

But I should sleep, I've had bad migraines the past couple days

Little sleep ftl

[grand umbra]

Actually thinking about it, I think the Lich has some amount of Magic pen.

[whole sluice]

So will scaled at roughly 2% per point, Str only boosted Phys power by 1% per point

[worn nebula]

is this all 1 spreadsheet?

[whole sluice]

So 30 will is 60% bonus damage

It's like 4 sheets with lots of tabs

[worn nebula]

and if so can i get a copy

idc about tabs lol

ill read it all

[whole sluice]

No, I want to make it look a bit nicer

[worn nebula]

😦

[whole sluice]

And setup an actual wiki

[worn nebula]

thats fair

[whole sluice]

And people didn't get much magic resist so spells were super good

It's why the crystal sword was in my opinion the most broken weapon when used correctly

It's the only melee weapon to utilize both +phys and +magic damage

A unique could have 17 High Phjys roll and 17 Low Magic Roll for 34 base damage. Now, nekkid that +30 will a wizard has gives it +60%, meaning that it's +17 Phys and +27.2 Magic per hit

Without ANY extra buffs

Thats cray cray

[grand umbra]

I did test how much the lich "one shot" orb was doing since I was full geared and had Warcry. It did 95 damage when I had 40% total Magic reduction, and it did about 150 when I had somewhere in the 20-25% range.

[whole sluice]

Nice

[worn nebula]

yall craycray

the numbers dont lie

[whole sluice]

If nothing too crazy changes next playtest I think we'll try to focus on enemy HP, Damage etc.. and maybe loot tables

[worn nebula]

when is next

[grand umbra]

Loot tables sounds like madness

[worn nebula]

1month?

[whole sluice]

We'll see

[worn nebula]

and since krapst didnt accept me, u better cow!

👀

[whole sluice]

With the holidays coming up I wouldn't be surprised to see it in beginnig of Dec. that way it doesn't conflict with New Years/Christmas/Thanksgivgin etc

I accept all into my Cowmunity

[worn nebula]

❤️

[whole sluice]

Anyway

I should go to sleep

[grand umbra]

They'll announce the next text in a week. It might not be monthly as they originally intended, simply due to how much it takes out of the team to be running the top 30 concurrent players game on steam charts.

[whole sluice]

I have so much sleep to catch up on

[worn nebula]

NOW U WANNA SLEEP, goodnigh

see u next time

[whole sluice]

I always wanna sleep

My body doesn''t let me

Bad insomnia my whole life

Batten down the hatches, keep a weathered eye, and be well

Night

[fickle solstice]

big thanks for MadCow for being active pretty much whole time helping out in the chats

[burnt badger]

@whole sluice , Any future plans for the future with Ranger class to distinguish from fighter further?

Bcs rn ranger is pretty useless cuz fighter can use a bow.

Maybe magic infused arrows? or any other sharpshooter buffs / debuffs (poison arrows / creating that drunk effect on hit).

[stoic briar]

Ranger useless? What?!

[mellow yew]

Hey guys great game but i was wondering if i could get a direct line to a dev for some critical feedback that i think would greatly help with early player drop off for newer players and player retention for people who are hungry for content at the top of the game. I was a cleric who was friends with and a part of top of the leaderboards boss kills groups. I think i helped fuel the fire for the leaderboard competition in that area. I was with latex on sunday then luv on monday tuesday after work. We have a lot of insight into the game from multiple angles in terms of general experience, pvp, pve, and outlook and I think it would be extremely beneficial for you to hear that.

[cedar dawn]

just put in #feedback-hidden-archive once discord calms down

[analog wing]

How can I solo ghost king?

Lich seems slightly possible because you can dodge attacks and iif you get hurt while dealing damage up close you can just back out and keep running while healing

But ghost king you can't even dodge his attacks

How tf do you heal fast enough and deal enough damage to kill him

If you don't play cleric

Is there like a way to not constantly take so much damage from the boss? Can I dodge his attacks somehow?

Also where tf do I use a skull key? Got one after wiping a group with it but never found out where to use it

[austere burrow]

The real question is if the devs intend to make pve possible for solo players, i sure do hope so. But who knows maybe they will prefer group dependency

[hollow wave]

top of the tower in the big open circular room, locked door with a treasure hoard inside

[grand umbra]

The bosses are not designed to be solo'd. However, I'm surprised you find Wraithking doing too much unavoidable damage. You are jumping it's slam down right? I know it's teleport can't be avoided, but it's basic attacks seem easy enough to avoid. The real issue for a solo is that the debuff to your damage makes things difficult.

[nocturne bear]

are we privilaged to know what the first floor will be like?

[quick marten]

supposedly pretty big and twice the amount of players

[grand umbra]

I think it was mentioned once that it would be like a sewer aesthetic, but I'm not 100% on that.

My understanding is It is supposed to be a bit less claustrophobic

[nocturne bear]

makes sense

[boreal narwhal]

I thought it is more like a forest area saw a yt video about it

I want to fight Bears

[cyan slate]

Currently there is one small snippet of floor 1 on the steam product video. It's a cave-like area.

[burnt badger]

@muted onyx
Brother, voice chat. a must.
it would be even more fun how you could interact with other palyers.

[crude lantern]

Question, there was like an event planned, like a tournament for money. Did that happen already?

[cyan slate]

Idk, that would be a question for SoBad since he hosted it. Not sure how that event went.

The test was all spreadsheet data lol.

[grand umbra]

They've already said they're going to be adding that.

[crude lantern]

@rugged axle how did the event go? are there videos? Some sort of cast vods?

[burnt badger]

ait bet

[violet furnace]

Was the Lich intended to get nerfed last patch? Cuz his chasing orb is super slow and not rendered now and the lich can’t even aim with his main attack

[lucid wing]

Do you have to kill the orb when his shield goes up?

[violet furnace]

He dosnt usually get a shield unless one of ur team8s die but u keep on hitting him

[lucid wing]

Ok gotcha

I wish I knew what hp we had him at last night

[violet furnace]

I don’t think lich and ghost king should be solo able

[lavish elk]

I don't mind them being soloable as long as you gotta do it near perfectly.

[violet furnace]

Well they we’re already soloable maybe not ghost

[lucid wing]

For purple circle you stack correct?

[violet furnace]

Yes

Blue bad

But they can both stack on u at once

[lucid wing]

Blue what do you do?

[violet furnace]

Run away

From the person

[lucid wing]

Damn if they stack that’s stupid then lol

Your just dead

[fathom haven]

question about arcane magic perk, can someone explain which magic is arcane and which is not?

[violet furnace]

Idk if it intentional but it adds a little more to the boss fight

[lucid wing]

You can’t survive it tho right?

[bright bane]

I think it’s just Magic Missile, don’t believe Fireball counts

[robust tapir]

no sure if this is the right place to ask but what are the betas intended for? balancing, testing the stability (and bug fixing) or something else?

[burnt badger]

is fall damage not implemented YET or will there be no fall dmg

[amber pivot]

That is exactly what these beta play tests are for, you’re right!

[mellow yew]

U survive blue if u dont stack, just heal person it was on afterwards, 2 or more people in blue will probably kill u, stacking in purple divides damage making it easier on the people in it, it just adds a little bit more depth to the boss fight, its super easy once u get it, especially after the nerf, there’s almost no endgame content for us after 1 weekend of playing

[lucid wing]

They are saying that you can get a blue and purple stack at the same time

[mellow yew]

I havent seen them both at the same time yet

Might be a bug sorta

Or u have to time them just right depending on the order they were casted

[violet furnace]

Lmao lumpy it happen last night

[mellow yew]

But i wouldnt worry about it to much, ive done that fight like 15+ times and havent seen it

[mellow yew]

After i got off?

[violet furnace]

Yea

With my irl friend

[mellow yew]

Oh nice, sound like fun, did u guys pull through it?

I think i know how to beat it if it happens

[lucid wing]

Do you just range lich the whole time?

[mellow yew]

Just quick timing, recognition, and heal choice

[violet furnace]

Ityes

[mellow yew]

U can melee too

[lucid wing]

What comp you guys run?

[mellow yew]

There’s like two main strats ive heard

Luv can one man it at times now

Usually atleast ranger cleric then anything else really

[lucid wing]

I think I had him close to dead last pull we only tried it 3 times

[mellow yew]

U can fighter with bow with our strat too instead of ranger

There’s a general guide of the circle him strat on youtube before the nerf, not the best but should suffice

[candid shard]

how +3 phys healing work? and spell capacity ?

[lucid wing]

Yeah I understand is mechanics for the most part from range just melee it’s weird to know what he is casting

His*

[umbral glacier]

Reviving as cleric is really buggy sometimes. If another mob/players bodypart clip through ally dead body, your aim is clearly on ally but due to the mini clipping the revive doesn't work and you will lose your revive spell.
I hope the makers put spell mechanic to refund the spell because that's just stupid.

[brazen marlin]

Does anyone have a link to the video that talks about the future of DnD and shows some footage of b1?

[tender quail]

it adds healing power to bandages, potions and campfires
spell capacity on last playtest doesnt work yet

[candid shard]

thx, and mag healing for cleric spells? or its affect mage spells too?

[tender quail]

for healing spells, but as far i know, mage doesnt have any of them 😛

[robust tapir]

I see, what I don't understand is why are the different tests are so short and spacious. Isn't it better to have prolonged tests for bug and stability testing?

[violet furnace]

Gives time for feedback and new ideas

[dim kiln]

also costs money to run it

[buoyant field]

what does the perk for rouge do for theif in the dungeon? i couldnt figure it out

[mellow yew]

If they give us too much time with the game right now a lot of us are going to become uninterested

[pseudo flame]

Can't you just send a barbarian at the lich with a felling axe for huge DPS?

[wicked garden]

Yeah, the lich will huge DPS the barb lmao

[robust tapir]

I would pay for early access :c

[coarse bronze]

Does anyone know how much strength rage gives you?

[whole sluice]

50%

So 40 str = +20 for 60 total

[coarse bronze]

Oh wow that’s a lot

[whole sluice]

Yarp

[coarse bronze]

Does it scale with equipment?

[whole sluice]

It lets you pickpocket someone if you were standing near them long enough not to notice you. In essence, it was a meme at best

[whole sluice]

Yes, everything scaled with equipment

[coarse bronze]

Gotcha thanks brother preciate it

[whole sluice]

You got it 🙂

[burnt badger]

will fall dmg be added or , will the game not include fall dmg?

[whole sluice]

Dunno, no comment made about it yet

[umbral glacier]

Yes please, all those running away people jumping in the pit pfft.

[whole sluice]

I'm on the fence that I like not having it tbh. THere isn't so many game breaking issues with it being in and helps create fun jump ambushes

[whole sluice]

Just make enemies down there

Or spike pits

[ornate basin]

I mean I think fall dmg needs to be added to but sometimes its the only way to escape solo lol

[whole sluice]

So if you go down you need to use a torch or pray you can get by

[ornate basin]

Yeah I dont mind it, Ive been using the no fall dmg to gank people from the tower.

[umbral glacier]

It's just strange to get damage by a blunt weapon but no damage falling 10 meters down in a hole hitting concrete. O_o
That prolly hurt more than a mace.

[quaint solstice]

What is an reliable way to dodge traps? Specifically the retractable floor spikes

[glacial sand]

iirc you can throw a torch on them and as theyre retracting jump them. or get a rogue lol

[quaint solstice]

What happens when you jump on it as it's retracting?

[whole sluice]

You take damage

[glacial sand]

over them but that way you have the least chance to get hit by the spikes i believe

[unreal dagger]

Is there a wiki somewhere? I saw a few of them but they are pretty uncomplete

[chrome dagger]

I agree. Good get away to if need be, I managed to avoid an ambush by pulling a fast one and jumping on a down portal, then over the 2nd floors rail to the first floor

[unreal dagger]

Or like a wiki that is being worked on

[candid imp]

they seem to deal perpetual damage the only way to dodge it is to not step on it or have a rogue disable

edit: per comment below (i was never able to pull this off) you can apparently avoid damage

I just hit sprint (fighter) put weapon away and jumped

[whole sluice]

There is a slight pause between retracting and activating again. That is when you need to go across. However, crouch jumping is the most reliable way once they are set off and going down

[quaint solstice]

Floor spikes are fucked

[glacial sand]

^

[quaint solstice]

Shouldn't require an certain class to counter something

[whole sluice]

There aren't any spike, axe or wall spike traps in the game that you can't bypass, time or otherwise not have to deal with though

And everyone else is in the same boat, so it's equal footing

[candid imp]

How do you deal with the one in the maze on floor 2 where there are two floor traps on a corner?

[whole sluice]

Don't go there? It doesn't block any rooms

[candid imp]

it seems impossible to pass without a rogue to take damage

[whole sluice]

Same with the ones in the library hidden middle room

[candid imp]

it blocks the central room in maze which has a lion chest and some other stuff

[whole sluice]

It just doesn't get you to a locked chest

[chrome dagger]

I'm bad at passing floor spikes but any other trap is very easy. I know it's doable on Floor Spikes, I've seen others do it I just haven't gotten good enough lol

[whole sluice]

But portals can't spawn there, so again, it's just greed 😄

[quaint solstice]

Isn't the point of the game to get loot?

Or am I wrong?

[whole sluice]

There are PLENTY of other areas and players to get them from besides going to a dead end with minor rewards

[candid imp]

yes indeed i need loot i am a little loot goblin and i NEED IT

thanks i guess ill just avoid

[whole sluice]

That being said, I was just answering questions. If you wish to debate/discus further, lets take it to the discussion channels

[quaint solstice]

Lion chest isn't minor 💀

[narrow oak]

Drop a torch on the spikes

[whole sluice]

I'm a loot goblin to 😄

[narrow oak]

and as the spikes lower, jump

[whole sluice]

I've been top treasure hunter in 2 playtests and top 10 this one while working on wiki and data gathering, trust me. You aren't missing enough from those chests to warrant going after them specifically. You want to go to high loot table rooms that have several chests/mobs with good loot tables, not just 1

Think of them as bait 😄

[rich warren]

That specific hallway, the spike traps after placed slightly off center. You can jump over them easily. Just make sure to sheathe your weapon. Movement speed is important for jumping. The center library area, you can't really avoid the damage so either tank it or use a protection pot to eat the hit. Once you're on the chest side, you can jump up on the chest to get back over without taking damage

[unreal dagger]

Is there a guide on how armor works anywhere? Also how movement speed works too

[whole sluice]

Whatcha wanna know?

[rich warren]

But also agree with madcow. I basically don't bother looting on L2 and just hunt people for loot. If I survive to hell, that's where you get the good good especially if it's the necromancer map with a southern circle

[fierce brook]

floor traps can be bypassed by anyone

[burnt badger]

by how much is the loot boosted btw 😄

[fierce brook]

just use something to trigger it, and then jump when they retract

[unreal dagger]

Damage reduction and how it works with different armor ratings, whether a helmet only protects the helmet, what's the base speed and what does the speed on boots (for example) do

[whole sluice]

Helmets do not give ANY extra bonus to head damage. THat is incorrect. It's a flat value for ANYwhere you are hit.

[unreal dagger]

Also like knowing if armor protects against like fireballs

[whole sluice]

That being said, you take 150% more head damage, 100% torso/chest, 50% limbs

ALL boots GIVE speed. Everything else is either movespeed neutral, or negative

[unreal dagger]

So if you have good boots you get less dmg if you are hit in the head?

[whole sluice]

Yup

[whole sluice]

No, unless it specifically says + Magic Resistance, it doesn't do anything against magic

[unreal dagger]

I meant like, what does +1 speed mean, like is that movement speed, and if so, what's the base (or can you see it ingame?)

[rich warren]

Shields do absorb damage from fireball though

[whole sluice]

Movement speed is based on the neutral number of 300. Anything less and you are at a penalty, anything more and you gain a bonus. 300 = 100% move speed for everyone. Each point of 'movespeed' above or below is 'roughly' .3 -.4% slow/faster

[whole sluice]

Correct, but not because of armor

[rich warren]

Makes the pavise really useful for pushing against wizards

Yeah

[whole sluice]

Now, with move speed, that stat has external factors I could not figure so I don't know where the curve and thresholds are

[unreal dagger]

Is there any mechanic for chasing people, for example, if you try to run away and you have more speed than the other person can you just run?

[whole sluice]

Put away your weapon is all you can do super quick without thinking

[rich warren]

Yes it's called putting away your weapon

[whole sluice]

Throwing knives/axes slow them down

But in general, if someone has a rat/move speed build and knows what they are doing, you won't catch them

[unreal dagger]

Yeah, that's what I was curious about

That kinda sucks, I know that mordhau has a mechanic where you match the other persons speed if they start running away when they are close

[brisk seal]

What rooms and mobs have good loot tables? Which chests are the best and worst other than the obvious lion head and gold chests being top?

[whole sluice]

Thats a much longer answer than I have time for. I'm heading out to lunch with the family. In general though, you want rooms that tend to have at least one of those types of chests, and rooms that contain Wraiths or Skeleton Captains

Skull Bats were the best for jewlery which is actually good for money AND boosting your own stats

Mummies tend to have the best ring drops

So it depends

The locked chest with 4 mummies and free treasure on the ground, great spot

Anyways, I'm out for now, take it easy everyone

[rich warren]

Yeah, it's a pretty complicated question since it really depends on your group and whether or not you can clear some of the tougher rooms quickly enough to not get caught out by another group

Imo if you're soloing, the best place to get loot is hell, but it's a coin flip on whether or not you get the necromancer and whether or not you get a good southern circle to maximize your vault looting

But boy oh boy, if you get the necromancer floor AND a southern circle, you can rack up the loot especially if you bring coin purses with you

I usually run 4 - 5 coin purses for the times I get the necro and a lucky circle

Does anyone know if there's an accessible vault on the ghost king hell map without the skull key?

[unreal dagger]

Is the map randomly generated or is it preset?

[rich warren]

Preset, but there's variants for rooms

Like the death skull pyramid can spawn a version with a trapped door that has a loot room

[unreal dagger]

Variants as in the room placement is the same but the room contents differ?

[rich warren]

Yes

[unreal dagger]

We got a map somewhere?

[rich warren]

Check reddit, someone made a map of all the levels

[unreal dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/comments/yj509l/the_map_of_all_3_locations_enjoy/ found it

There are 2 levels in game but 3 maps, is it random which map you get?

[hardy brook]

those 3 are all for level 2

and yes, it's random which variant you get

[unreal dagger]

OOoooh, ok, had no idea

[rich warren]

Yeah, and two L3 maps. Ghost king and necromancer

[velvet sphinx]

Ghost king map is so dumb

[rich warren]

Yeah

[velvet sphinx]

The revive altar placements are shit

Not even loot in the boss room

[rich warren]

It needs some work. The necromancer map is a lot better

[midnight reef]

Is it possible to solo the lich boss?

[lucid wing]

From what I’ve heard yes

[graceful delta]

Is circle random? Had a ghost king L3 where circle closed in boss room and felt real difficult to extract without killing the boss.

[lucid wing]

It is random

[craggy fossil]

Sheilds block magic missile?

[zinc field]

Question, why couldn't I open chests with a lockpick as a fighter when I had a lockpick equipped? Was I doing something wrong. Should I press something other than F?

[merry basin]

you nrrf to hit space when the little picking minigame pops up

you need*

[zinc field]

The minigame never popped up that I could see. There was some message that told me that I couldn't use the lockpick

So I figured fighters were the wrong class or something

[merry basin]

its like the same as the disarm trap one

[wicked garden]

How does the Wizard's meditation work, exactly? Seems like it will regenerate a random amount of consumed spell slots. Is that right?

[quick marten]

had to have it equipped in side slot i personally always had it in my hand before starting the lockpicking

[viral marsh]

I think so, when I only used magic missile it would regen at a fixed rate but not if other spells were missing casts

[wicked garden]

Yeah, same. I had used a few different spells, but when I meditated I think I only got 1 spell slot back. Might be that meditate will regen whatever spell is currently prepared

[viral marsh]

I heard people saying spell capacity was bugged too, it's supposed to increase your spells or spell recharge rate or something

that or it's just not very noticeable but idek if that's what spell capacity does

[narrow oak]

It doesn't only regen the prepared spell, it regens some of each spell

[viral marsh]

is it random?

[tropic steeple]

you get 2mm 1 fireball 1 invis back per med

not sure how many haste or slow

[midnight reef]

@wicked garden If u meditate the full duration, some spells u only get 1, missiles u get 2

[viral marsh]

ohh kk

ty

[midnight reef]

Invis is 1 aswell, i think haste u get 2

Slow only 1 i think

[wicked garden]

Good to know, thanks Dip!

[granite nymph]

you have to put the lock pick in your hand like a potion

[rugged axle]

Event was amazing, NomadPoncho streamed it all but I will certainly make a video and release a bunch of content over the next few days. Its always fun to just relax after the playtest and review vods 🥹

[stoic elbow]

okay i got two things

One how does armor work

and two what do people think of the funny idea of taking your friends soul and placing it into another body of say a dead player and then resing that body. Change class midway though and its funny

[narrow oak]

Does that work?

I don't think you can remove other players souls if they aren't on your team

But would be amazing

[stoic elbow]

nah it no work

but like your friend dies

you run around and come back to see johnny

but johnny's body is gone

suddenly Johnny kills you under the new name Ronny with his new gang who put there friends corpse into another body

and then res'd him

[merry geyser]

Are there plans for more melee mechanics like a dodge/parry/feint?

[stoic elbow]

class skills i recon but don't quote me

[glacial dome]

playtest is over?

[stoic elbow]

rouge gets a e ability to parry a attack and apply bleed . example

yeah

we find out more next week

no idea when next week but info is coming soon

[stone remnant]

Will there be proximity chat like sandstorm?

[glacial dome]

if next week will be another playtest it's stonks

I was expecting to see one every 1-2 months

[stoic elbow]

nah prob no playtest but info on when servers go open

games in a very good state

people are excited, its addicting and its bringing more people in the TARKOV like gameplay.

[stone remnant]

Vr support and proximity chat would make it more immersive

[stoic elbow]

btw I would love a expanded spell list for the spell casters allowing for a little customization

[covert wave]

God VR support would be insane 😯

[lavish elk]

My inventory being such a mess is honestly keeping me from tarkov. :p

I'd be happy having an actual list of spells that you can see in the menu.

[stoic elbow]

yeah

keep the 5 spells

because it offers builds and risks

but have just like 3 or 4 more spells per class

[candid imp]

being able to hotkey spells would help the wizard skillcap

1 - MM, 2 - fireball, 3 - Haste etc

rather than a emote wheel style

[dull merlin]

controller supported?

[candid imp]

wait guys this is the wrong chat

move feedback to #feedback-hidden-archive and discussion to #game-discussion

or #1033463812399054898

[stoic elbow]

maybe even have some higher tier loot provide a extra spell. Allowing wizards to cast bless though the use of items

[candid imp]

quick before we get yelled at

[stoic elbow]

ah see

sorry Devs

[wheat viper]

I know noticed depending on numbers of spells left in other spells I could get two fireballs.

[timber igloo]

Is there a way to tell if the shield is going to block something

[late portal]

Nope

[lavish elk]

Best bet is; can you see the weapon you are blocking?

If yes, probably not going to block.

Some weapons are able to reach over the shield regardless of what you do if used right.

[wide sparrow]

like spears

and rapiers

[timber igloo]

Yeah, sounds like I would do better to use a longsword or something like that and just use the shield to block arrows

[lavish elk]

You're best bet for blocking one of those attacks is to jump which is really weird, because that means your head isn't showing anymore.

[late portal]

No, if you are able to place your shield in the path of their swing, you can block it

[timber igloo]

so aim higher

[late portal]

For an overhead swing yes

[lavish elk]

Longswords, spears, and other similar weapons can hit the head right over a raised shield.

[late portal]

if they are swinging to the right, aim to the left

[late portal]

hit you in the head?

[lavish elk]

I've both hit people with these weapons, and been hit by these weapons through shields.

[bright bane]

In the case of a spear/bardiche/other axe options you need to look up to block the attack that is coming from up

You need to literally look up so the shield stops the attack that is going to hit on top of you

[timber igloo]

exaggerate into the direction the swing is coming from is what I got from this. I probably wasnt moving my shield enough in that direction

[lavish elk]

I'm aware of how the shield works, but yeah you really have to move the shield.

[bright bane]

You really need to exaggerate it, it’s really difficult to see your hit box in comparison to the shields

[timber igloo]

hit increase DPI button as I block lol

[late portal]

Heater shields do a better job but they may add more types in the future that are heavier and better for blocking

[pseudo plank]

Heres a quick demo of shield blocking those overhead swings https://streamable.com/13hfj3

[timber igloo]

Ive been looking for blocking videos, this is a great demonstration of it thank you!

[burnt badger]

Chiv style mechanics would be sick or kingdom come deliverance which is a little simpler

[merry geyser]

kingdom come has awful combat hate that games combat

anything locked in is terrible imo

[whole sluice]

Please keep this channel clear for just questions and answers. Discussion to the Discussion channels, please and thanks 🙂

[merry geyser]

Sorry, are there plans to overhaul the combat though? A few new mechanics? Or is it more or less fixed?

[whole sluice]

Aside from fine tuining blocking/parrying I believe these are what they are sticking with. Whether that changes is up in the air, but right now they want to focus on positioning, weapon combo direction counters etc... in lieu of combat similar to games like Mord/Chiv

[merry geyser]

very cool, thank you

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice Are they doing something about monsters locking in place when they are about to attack? Wouldnt be more natural that they move atleast a little forward?

[whole sluice]

🤷 AI is really just early basics. Usually some of the last stuff to work on right now

[tacit steeple]

Also, does the aoe circle thats placed under you when you fight the Lich, can you damage the Lich/Skelly with it?

[river star]

But people are already complaining the NPC are too hard 😂

[whole sluice]

People done be peopleing

[tacit steeple]

Hit it once, run back, hit it again, run back? very hard xDD

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice

[whole sluice]

To be fair I didn't do a lot of boss testing this playtest. The homing orb can indeed be tracked and pulled into a mob/lich as that is the intended mechanic. Now, there are supposedly 3 auras it casts. Blue, Purple and Red. Red and Purple I'm familiar with. Red you split up, purple you stack. Blue is new. I 'feel' that without testing, blue is similar in that you share damage with minion(s)

[tacit steeple]

😅 I didn`t notice any color to it

looked like "magic"

[pseudo plank]

I didnt notice if there was any colorblind option but that could be a big deal if it hasnt been thought about yet

[whole sluice]

I've already got ideas on how to resolve that

More audio cues like Lich Dialogue announcing the moveset etc... Or something that you should do "Flee mortals" (When need to run away" or "Your strength can't save you" when you need to stack etc

Also, buff/curse icons

[tacit steeple]

I found it hard reading his anymations

wasnt sure what he was casting/ bolt/ chasing bolt/ aoe damage under someone

[heavy trout]

Regarding movement speed on items: Do they apply to all items equipped or only items currently in your hands?

For example, if I have a bunch of items on a belt are they all counting cumulatively to slow me down?

[tacit steeple]

Also sometimes the AOE damage under a player was not showing the "magic" around hte player

[whole sluice]

Hands

[heavy trout]

And, I am assuming, all armor/trinket slots?

[whole sluice]

Corect. If it's in an armor/trinket slot the effects are included. Basically anything in those slots, plus what you are currently holdin your hands (If anything)

[pseudo plank]

I did not play the wizard but they seem very intriguing. Does their quick cast skill have a cooldown or can it only be used once per game/campfire?

[whole sluice]

Secondary weapon does not count if it's on your back and not 'held' in front of you

[whole sluice]

Cooldown

[pseudo plank]

any idea what the cooldown is?

[whole sluice]

I can't recall. Either 30 or 45. I want to so around 45 but I was not the Wizard tester today 😄

@cyan slate Would know. He started to get into that the last day of testing

[tacit steeple]

@whole sluice Skill tree info where 🙂 ?

[whole sluice]

No info on skill trees at this time

[celest mural]

45+ I think

It’s not worth it

[whole sluice]

Disagree, back to back fireballs are extremely devastating and often catch people woefully offguard. Not to mention back to back insta cast invis or haste is really useful for engaging or disengaging. Bring either campfires and/or have party use them liberally to replenish. Just different playstyles. Both have their pros and cons much like all the perks/skills. Except for pickpocket. Thats just... It's own tier 😄

If pickpocket was instant with a cooldown of like 15-20 seconds it 'might' be good for a rat build... But killing someone is like pickpocket on steroids 😄

[celest mural]

With enough campfires it could be decent

Would still require a good crystal sword to let you clear rooms

[whole sluice]

Crystal sword is yummy

[celest mural]

So wizard and cleric are getting more spells when they implement knowledge right

[whole sluice]

Yup\

However

They might only start with 2 or 3 and get more from there, and the amount you have now is what they 'would' start with if it was implemented

Just depends on what they feel is a good starting point

[tacit steeple]

That sounds fair

5 great heals and 6 less heals with +healing and 15% heal on you its kinda op

[celest mural]

That’s disappointing I currently think wizard could use 1-2 more spells uses

[whole sluice]

Well the nice thing is they have backend data free from opinions to work with 😄

[shadow shadow]

Wish Wizard had some kind of counterplay for Ranger but hopefully, that will come with level talents.

[whole sluice]

The counterplay for EVERYONE against ranger is not to fight in open areas. Wiz have it easiest because they can haste/invis and leapfrog from cover to cover and if done right the ranger will not be the wiser

Also, don't wear potions on belt and turn off lights if possible

[outer delta]

they do, you speed boost, invisible close the distance and fireball his ass

[tacit steeple]

hahaha I killed so many people in the dark because of potions on belt hahaha

[whole sluice]

Traffic lights go donk

[shadow shadow]

the amount of time it takes you to fireball (which most likely wont 1 shot them) is enough time for them to shoot you in the head but yeah I get the haste / invis game play

do hope there will be some versatility of swapping out spells and such

[whole sluice]

I do know that they are... a good number of spells being worked on though

[celest mural]

Go to #1033463812399054898

[whole sluice]

And eventually you will choose which to take with you

One spell sounds... AMAZING if they pull it off 😄

[shadow shadow]

I did have a question about foot steps. I felt there was alot of times I just couldn't hear anyone outside of my teammates. I know rogues have a thing to have quiet foot steps but there was so many times I had a full team of 3 on my back before I even noticed. Was this an issue in the game?

[whole sluice]

They might be using lightfoot. Those are the quietest in the game

[celest mural]

According to data wizard is the least successful and played class are there really no plans to buff it?

[whole sluice]

And if they are walking (Even without the perk) they can be REALLY silent

[whole sluice]

There is data out for this playtest?

[shadow shadow]

Maybe based off leaderboards?

[celest mural]

I’m referring to last playtest

[whole sluice]

OPh

You mean the last different balanced version

😄

[shadow shadow]

Wizard was notoriously low across the board for all leaderboards

[wary osprey]

I mean, do you think wizards did well this patch?

[celest mural]

As far as I know wizard wasn’t changed from before

[whole sluice]

To be fair, leaderboards are poor comparison for balence tbh

Wizard and stats changed a good amount

In fact, none of the classes are the same from last playtest

[celest mural]

Patch notes are very vague

[wary osprey]

Maybe when spell capacity stat is implemented it might help em

Wizards felt a bit weak

At least old fighter sprint was like yep gg

[whole sluice]

I think that Wiz had some of the strongest builds, but people didn't catch on until the end of the playtest. In general people are just doing everything and not trying specific builds and noe one gears corectly

[wary osprey]

with da crystal sword?

[tacit steeple]

+magic damage missels?

[whole sluice]

Nope

[wary osprey]

so don't even cast spells, just slap with magic sword

[shadow shadow]

Does it make sense to keep the physical power reduction for wizards when their weapons are not the greatest for PvE? It just felt like you almost had to take meditation / campfires so you can efficiently PvE with spells otherwise be that much slower at looting than other classes

[celest mural]

Do you know what was changed on wizard since the last playtest?

[whole sluice]

Without any gear besides a purple/legendary crystal sword with no other stats, you could easily hit 60-70 damage a swing because of how Will scaled

[wary osprey]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[whole sluice]

I think having neutral stat points is a great idea

It means you can't ignore stats or have 'dump' stats without having penalties

[wary osprey]

what you mean, you can use a crossbow to pve lmao

[tacit steeple]

Do you mean 10 in all?

[whole sluice]

No

Crossbow is a beginning/end of a fight, not for PvE

[wary osprey]

i was memeing

[whole sluice]

No, 15 is neutral stat for everyone. 10 is neutral for Armor

[wary osprey]

wish i knew the crystal sword was strong

dammit

is that 60-70 a swing on body?

[whole sluice]

On top of that, it's the ONLY weapon to do magic damage

[shadow shadow]

Trying to solo as Wizard just felt bad since their interaction time is so slow and then dealing with PvE was rough

[whole sluice]

Which means ALL + magic damage and + phys damage applies to that weapon

And there was no real magic resistance gear in the game

[wary osprey]

wait, so crystal sword is modified by magic damage AND physical damage moidifiers?

fml

[tacit steeple]

Isnt this same as Cleric+Smite ?

[whole sluice]

With will gaining double stat growth over str and phys power, it was a silent sleeper

[wary osprey]

i had a sick fucking sword in my stash

[whole sluice]

Yup, thats another build that did amazing when built right

[celest mural]

Yes but it also has to go through both sets of resistance/armor

[shadow shadow]

How hard did Judgement for clerics scale? Because its tooltip reads 30 dmg but there was times a Cleric would Judgement me and just about 1 shot my ass

[tacit steeple]

I have fun with it xD

[wary osprey]

i mean magic resistance was tiny

[whole sluice]

Most people stacked will and knowledge for spells, but it was the melee cast builds that were REALLY able to capitalize on them

[wary osprey]

hmmm

what's the npc magic resist like?

[celest mural]

Most characters have 10+% magic resist

[wary osprey]

negligible?

[tacit steeple]

I tought knowledge was not implemented yet, oof

[whole sluice]

Fopdoodles was outdated

Knowledge Spell Casting Speed Interaction Speed (Magical)

[wary osprey]

RIP

[tacit steeple]

Magical Interaction Speed - Shrines?

[celest mural]

What exactly is interaction speed (magical)

[tacit steeple]

Speed/Protection/Power shrines - buffs

[whole sluice]

Lets do a quick thought example. Crystal sword. Lets go nuts and get the best on e in the game. 17 Phys (Lowest roll) and 18 Magic damage (Highest Roll)
Actually, lets make it easy and do 17 and 17. So 34 base damage. Half of which is magic. Now, a wizard starts with 33 Will. Thats 46% damage increase to magic damage JUST from a 'nekkid' wizard. So that 17 is now 24.82 damage. You can see where this is going

[whole sluice]

I believe it's 'supposed' to be shrines and portal stones. However, portal stones were CLEARLY not using the magical interact stat and were Regular interact

I think Shrines 'was' working correctly. But I didn't test it extensively

[celest mural]

As far as I could tell wizard was slow at everything

[marble plover]

Can we nerf some of the 1 shot 2 shot builds so fights are more interesting. A cleric with smite can 2 shot people. A ranger can 1 shot people with bow. I love that fights are tactical and a little drawn out at times. Its never fun getting one shot

[whole sluice]

You have + 4 true phys and + 4 true magic damage. That number jumps up even more and then bypasses all resistances. In fact, if you stacked nothing but +true phys and +regular magic, you would by pass almost everyones defense

[sand ibex]

If a mage invis's a rogue does it allow the rogues stealth perks to activate?

[whole sluice]

#feedback-hidden-archive

[whole sluice]

Yes

Same with invis pots

[granite nymph]

we need a necromancer class that can do this

[sand ibex]

Awesome thank you!

[whole sluice]

There was a solo wizard crystal sword user who would 1v3 people with just haste/invis and 2 shot people in full purp/legendary gear

[shadow shadow]

Is it intended for out of zone dmg to instantly break invis? I get dmg breaks invis but feels like it makes sense to be able to do when out of zone

[whole sluice]

It was extremely busted

[whole sluice]

Yes, all damage breaks invis

[granite nymph]

they said once a month

[celest mural]

Also everyone has -40% casting speed base

This changes when knowledge is implemented right

[whole sluice]

Wizard has only -20% to start

Barb is -70% 😄

[celest mural]

It’s -40% without quick chant

[whole sluice]

Probably, Spell casting speed is the only stat that doesn't follow the 15 neutral rule

Fighter has -25%

[shadow shadow]

Are there discussions of other classes being implemented? And is 20 going to be the max level for a while or do they plan to increase that in the future?

[whole sluice]

Incorrect, here are all values with no skills/gear

The first is only with their armor, the other is without, so the only thing that changes is armor rating/phys defense

[whole sluice]

Yes, other classes are coming, Bard is the next one

[celest mural]

This is different than the test

[whole sluice]

Sorry, it wasn't

[shadow shadow]

Has there been talk about what Bard will do?

[hidden geyser]

@whole sluice how many dev is working on this project, it's pretty amazing for an Alpha 🙂

[whole sluice]

Not yet

[whole sluice]

23 I think

[hidden geyser]

nice

[whole sluice]

Wait, no @celest mural you are correct, I did have an updated page elsewhere, my apologies

Wiz did have -40% because it was a know stat not WP that I was thinking earlier

My apologies 🙂

[tacit steeple]

Magic power applies to healing aswell?

[whole sluice]

Yup

[hollow elm]

Are there plans to implement PvE only modes separate from the main game?

[whole sluice]

Nope

[shadow shadow]

How about queues separate for solo play and 3 team play?

[whole sluice]

They are looking into it, but the game will never be balanced for solo queues either

Some classes will still be great and some not so great in solo

[sand ibex]

IMO matchmaking would be better than dividing the community

[whole sluice]

They are looking into matchmaking. The only concrete idea on the table is 'high roller' stake lobbies where you have to either pay gold, items, real money (Something) to even get in

[shadow shadow]

I get that. But some people are also not going to play the game at all, knowing they will always have the chance to go against 3 people as a solo only player

[whole sluice]

And thats ok, not every game has to be for every type of player

[hollow elm]

I'm assuming they'll implement the ability to queue for group instead of having to invite randoms?

[covert yarrow]

It really is either you make friends or learn to 1v3

[whole sluice]

🤷 Haven't heard one way or the other yet on this.

[granite nymph]

how does pickpocket work?

[whole sluice]

If you have it equipped you can approach an enemy player in a match if you are within touching distance. A prompt will come up where you can 'pickpocket' them. You will then 'steal' one item from their non-equipped backpack. If they have nothing to steal it will let you know

[shadow shadow]

Will they implement a better way to invite friends? Like a steam account friend list or something?

[whole sluice]

I'm sure, this is all still less than 11 months worth of development. It's still WAY early

[sand ibex]

Does it break stealth or no?

[whole sluice]

Yes, it breaks stealth

[celest mural]

I was looking for my screenshots I was positive of this

[whole sluice]

I was using data from our first day and it didn't have the updated no skills equipped section

One of the other tabs had the correct into, I was just on the wrong tab 😄

[astral light]

This was the final alpha?

[celest mural]

Interesting that fighter casts faster than cleric

[whole sluice]

Whatcha mean final?

[whole sluice]

Fighter has 15 in all stats, cleric has 12 knowledge

Its just stats, and those are easy enough to change

[tacit steeple]

Im also a bit dissapointed in Cleric overall stats 🙂

[celest mural]

Do certain classes have higher stats overall?

[whole sluice]

Cleric is the only class with 74 stats, while everyone else has 75 😄

Most likely either a rounding error or a typo would be my guess

[fathom light]

its balance 🤔

[whole sluice]

But, they also change a lot of things from test to test

So we'll see if/how they change again

[sand ibex]

If Im at 100/100 health and I equip a strength item does my max health go up AND i heal for the amount it went up? Also on that point, if Im at 80/100 does it go up and heal proportionally?

[whole sluice]

99% sure it goes up and heals for that amount

Because it used to be different in other tests and if you raged as barb you would gain max health, but not heal any

But this time it kept you topped off

Now, I never tested if you were at 1 hp and remove strength gear what happens

My guess is you won't die though, but I can't confirm

[astral light]

I thought I saw some mention that this was the last alpha test.

[whole sluice]

Rumors and click bait most likely

[astral light]

I hope so.

Looking forward to playing again.

[whole sluice]

Well, considering the owner of the company in the announcement tab said this:
Terence — Today at 4:05 AM
@everyone Thanks again to everyone that participated in our Alpha Playtest #2! We'll announce the date for the next playtest next week. See you soon!

Some people are just filthy little liars 😄

[granite nymph]

I heard there was going to be one a month until early access wasn't from devs tho so could be lies

[whole sluice]

To be fair, the original 'goal' was to do one once a month until EA, but everything changed last playtest because the game blew up WAY more than anticipated, so they're still trying to figure everything out from that

[astral light]

I'm surprised they didn't expect it to get this much attention, but I guess that is better than having a lot of confidence in a game that ends up flopping. Two different headspaces.

[whole sluice]

Well, they have 0 marketing, aren't trying to be noticed. First playtest had a max concurrent of 300 players with about 1k Unique I believe. They were expecting the previous playtest to have a max concurrent of 500-1,000 and well... Obviously that didn't happen 😄

[astral light]

How many did it get to concurrently?

[sand ibex]

All it takes is a few streamers enjoying it and boom explosion of growth lol. The servers held up really really well though for it being unexpected.

[whole sluice]

The thing is that most people don't realize just how extremely early in development this is. And people don't understand how game development actually works. So not being super noticed/popular until you are ready is incredibly valid

[old shore]

If my judgement hits for 60 and then I equip a +3 true magic damage piece of gear. Will it now hit for 63 ? Or does it calculate differently

[whole sluice]

Almost 11k last time

[sand ibex]

Thats awesome!

[celest mural]

Streamers were a massive help especially the streamers focusing on the melee slasher genre of games

[whole sluice]

It would be more. Take base judgement of 60, and ALL + increases of damage, and THEN multiply that by your Magic Power %

[astral light]

It's nice that they didn't force NDAs down players throats as a part of agreeing to participate in the alpha.

[whole sluice]

Cleric base magic power is 40.0%

[celest mural]

Are perks scaling aswell? For example axe specialists +10 damage

[whole sluice]

So in your example, it would do 84 Magic and 5.6 True for a total of 89.6, 5.6 of which is bypassing all resistances

[whole sluice]

Yup

To be fair, the damage calculations, in my opinion, need to be adjusted. Way to easy to get super high

[sand ibex]

On this train of thought, does rogue's bleed skill and poison passive increase by phys and magic damage respectively?

[old shore]

Base judgement is 30 I just was hitting my friend (barb with 22% mr) for about 60-65. Trying to test out numbers yesterday.

Thank you for the help

[whole sluice]

Now, take that same 89.6 Judgement and you hit the highest magic resist character which is a Wiz. They have 17.3% resist. So the final damage to the best 'nekkid' starting class would be 69.468 Magic Damage and 5.6 True for a total of 75 damage gfive or take

[whole sluice]

Yes

[celest mural]

What about wizards reactive barrier is it just a flat 10?

[whole sluice]

Lemme look at my skill section one sec

I didn't paly wiz myself so this is all just from notes

Without actually testing (I don't have any notes to go from for this particular interaction) I believe it WOULD benefit from magic power. So it would be like a 14 shield? 🤷 But it is flat and I believe ALL prot abilities/spells/potions take effect AFTER damage resistances are calculated

[late fern]

Is there a way to increase attack speed? Like the actual swing animations? Or does it purely depend on weapon moveset

[whole sluice]

Action speed (Agi)

[celest mural]

Considering it’s a wizard that %res is practically nothing for phys but massive for magic

Would be a pretty good perk for stopping fireballs

[whole sluice]

Maybe, it would depend on what you're giving up for, but hey, free damage absorb is free damage absorb

Do you know what the cooldown was for it?

I would assume like 15?

[celest mural]

A little higher than 15 I wanna say

[whole sluice]

hmmm

Most combat is over in 15. I guess it's also good for clearing out trash in melee PvE

Next playtest, assuming a lot of mechancis and stats aren't changed, my big focus is on spellcasting stuff, loot tables, enemy HP/Dmg

[celest mural]

Is friendly fire 100% damage taken or is it reduced

[whole sluice]

99% there is no reduction