#Helldivers
vocal ore
Sony should be hit with that, but Arrowhead agreed to this in some form. Again, Sony will handle it and will use this to further their planned/not-planned moves on PC. Arrowhead might not exist as a studio in a bit.
vocal ore
Honestly though, they'll continue until retailers start issuing refunds and then they will attempt to change course.
It's too late for many.
supple gazelle
. Arrowhead might not exist as a studio in a bit.
Arrowhead will exist as a studios regardless I feel, it's not owned by sony
Also if they survived on Helldivers 1 numbers for like, 7 years, they can probably take a few refounds after having sold one of the biggest games in history and be fine
vocal ore
True, but this will forever haunt them in some form. They also don't own the IP and everything they have done is owned by someone else at this point.
leaden thunder
scarlet burrow
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scarlet burrow
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rain garden
oof
leaden thunder
rain garden
His sacrifice will be remembered 🫡
abstract cape
This is going to make operations a whole lot more annoying
We rely on the other half of the world to play the game while the west is asleep, and china, with its own large gaming population suddenly not being able to do their operations, means planet HP will climbfaster while we're all asleep
Japan, South Korea, and the Aussies are there at least. Idk the extent with any of the other southest asian countries.
India is also there, but I have no clue about Sony's stuff in India. I assume it's good tho.
crisp sable
30 minutes into the mission, bugs are getting overwhelming, we call in the shuttle... someone drops a bomb on the pad to take care of some bugs, the shuttle no longer works
rip
supple gazelle
happened to me as well once
hushed sundial
I'm surprised there's not a helldiver version of this
scarlet burrow
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vocal ore
If they are, they got chewed out for what they said and did earlier today. #1211024704396328970 message
I don't believe it personally.
silver marten
I think that's one message taken out of context
vocal ore
Maybe, but that is something I can see out of someone supporting that decision in a backhanded manner. Seeing that out of the person paid to be the middle man between the greater community and the company/game is not a great look. More people are going to see that clip versus the image sent hours later and I assume that Spitz got talked to afterwards about it.
People are people and I get it, but there is/are better ways to word things that don't make it seem like you don't give a shit about the problem. That compounds things.
silver marten
I agree it's very poorly worded
But I know I've said things that bad to people here, usually to ones I'm about to ban, for good reason
I will say that arrowhead has not got the best track record for communication from anyone other than their CEO
vocal ore
And they are not helped by their publishers pulling what the Tarkov devs have done recently and trying to act like it has always been this way, which then they have to kinda defend because their jobs rely on them continuing to do what the contract says.
Maybe Sony will reverse course, but it will hit AH harder. They just need to stop doing own goals here.
scarlet burrow
Honestly they need to come up with. Solution for the people not able to make a psn account due to the nation their in
Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen
silver marten
i just think that, given a choice between "company hates its player base" and "one guy got fed up with single person going too far and said something that, when taken out of context, could have been worded better" its probably going to be the latter
silver marten
Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen
oh yes this definitly is. this is very dumb.
so far this is their official stance on that matter:
which is just... wrong
vocal ore
There's three solutions possible:
- Keep going and the folks that want to play with the new restriction will be left
- Open up PSN to more nations (within reason; sanctions, legal, and other shit not withstanding)
- Drop the account requirements and use the systems already in place to do what they say the accounts make it easier to do
I feel bad for the Sony reps that are about to get hit with a ton of customer service requests and fixes.
silver marten
yep...
jut in case folks were unclear on my stance on this matter btw: shit's fucked. i do not agree with this choice, especially as, what was previously mentioned, the game is being sold in countries where PSN isnt even available. this shit's been poorly thought out at best
i dont blame arrowhead for it, i blame them for poor communication, but i doubt they would have voluntarily signed up for this requirement, at least not without a damn good reason.
leaden thunder
scarlet burrow
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scarlet burrow
Some updates https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/CDll9FRriW
They also said if a place doesn’t have psn they wont enforce the account requirement if a bette option isn’t provided
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lost blade
that's good at least
rain garden
Like with most games these days, the problems stem from the publisher, not necessarily the dev~
supple gazelle
I think that at the very least people in a country that doesn't have PSN must be given a way to play at this point, or at minimum offered a full refound
That would fix most of my personal problems with it.
Past that having to link an account is annoying but it's not a massive deal for me, but it's definitely shit that people wont be able to play a game that they bought
silver marten
PSN has a terrible reputation for data breaches
scarlet burrow
PSN has a terrible reputation for data breaches
hence why i put it on a burner email
though apparently the UK requires you to give goverment id to sign up for it so that sucks
silver marten
it does???
silver marten
i like this guy
this doesnt mean anything will change, but it atleast addresses some issues such as those who cant make accounts
hushed sundial
Sounds like ass covering to me after how they reacted to everything initially and attempting to justify the decision until the backlash hit.
rain garden
Ignorance does not equal malice
hushed sundial
No, but doubling down on ignorance and mocking those that tried to educate them about the issues does make it seem that way.
It took a completely different community manager to show up with a more level-head to tell the full story that it's a Sony imposed restriction instead of telling people to kick rocks and take 30 seconds to make an account.
supple gazelle
Eh, having moderated a discord for many years I definitely believe it was them getting a bit defensive and frustrated and not picking the best possible choices in how they reacted in the moderation of the outrage
Also might very well be that he didn't know at the time what he could say and what he couldn't
The story that it was Sony started after the CEO implied it on twitter, which makes sense, if the CEO gives the yo ahead you can probably tell the full story, but a random community manager throwing the publisher under the bus on their own accord could easly lose their job real fast
supple gazelle
https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1786687189524590642?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEk...
Like ultimately we will never know but this rings true to me
silver marten
the thing is, the only "incriminating" screenshot was just one line that i know i've personally said to trolls several times
it instantly read to me, as a moderator who's been there, as someone who'd just fucking had enough at that guy, at that moment. unfortunately folks take that line out of context and assume that means he's always an asshole all of the time.
supple gazelle
To be clear, it is still a mistep given that those are paid professionals not suckers like us that do it for fun
lost blade
i hope this is a war thunder like situation
similar thing happened when they cut rewards
review bombed to oblivion
it worked and they reversed it
and actually made it better
leaden thunder
scarlet burrow
Probably just from the sheer amount of requests they probably realized something was up
compact cipher
The phrase "orbital dislike" is being paraded around r/helldivers
lost blade
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supple gazelle
My guess is in case they can't solve it and have to issue full refounds to everyone that bought it in those countries
Which sucks but it would be a fair way to go about it
My guess is that if sony doesn't kind of bend backwards and solve it for them, this is the last game they do publish through sony and this might be a call for any other small dev that was considering courting sony as publisher
That said, sony is a behmoth of a company and slow enough to react that they aren't likely to react fast enough to this to prevent it
scarlet burrow
given how the game is basically on fire I will recommend some alternatives https://store.steampowered.com/app/1268750/Starship_Troopers_Extermination/
silver marten
https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1786935816394326250?s=46
Apparently only Sony can make this change
scarlet burrow
Yeah. I dont see it coming back from this.
If sonys gonna just double down on it then theres gonna be a lot of refund requests heading their way
silver marten
scarlet burrow
Yeah i put in a refund request with that phrasing. Still waiting for valve to get back with me
Been 12 hours. But their probably swamped
silver marten
lime cypress
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ck9769/sony_doesnt_allow_ukraine_p...
Last part about treating Ukranian people like shit right now
I have to fix this statement
Sony treating all people like shit right now
silver marten
Ayup
lime cypress
Like today will be geography lesson
lime cypress
https://x.com/helldiversalert/status/1786935816394326250?s=46
This part of France can't buy Helldivers 2 legally anymore
vocal ore
Last part about treating Ukranian people like shit right now
Do note that in the thread, a few Ukrainians did mention that they were able to log in and register without an account, but it isn't true for everyone, especially those that live in areas currently claimed/occupied by both Russia/Ukraine.
lime cypress
Do note that in the thread, a few Ukrainians did mention that they were able to ...
As future engineer, the worst part when something works sometimes
Because Sony can broke it some day
vocal ore
This part of France can't buy Helldivers 2 legally anymore
French Guiana and France itself (listed as Metropolitan France).
lost blade
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ck9769/sony_doesnt_allow_ukraine_p...
wtf
lost blade
This part of France can't buy Helldivers 2 legally anymore
apparently sony hates french guiana?
lost blade
wtf
"oh yeah just spend $500 on a console when you live in the poorest country in europe who is also at war, just to play the game you already bought"
lime cypress
https://reddit.owo.si/img/f2agxllcgdyc1.jpeg
Britain doesn't exist in Helldivers 2?
World peace achieved
silver marten
im 99% sure its a brexit joke, which im fully on board for, because its hilarious, but yes the uk doesnt exist lol
compact cipher
probably also because of the ID requirement
silver marten
oh no theres an actual map, this isj ust adding to it
lost blade
i've just been playing fallout new vegas while this whole thing is going on
scarlet burrow
Update. Refund denied. But i sort of expected it
lost blade
i'll try for one because why not
scarlet burrow
tribal olive
@rain garden continuing from the general chat,i do have an account and im in a country where PSN isnt available,and ive had it before i owned my vita either so i had 0 active sony devices so i dont really see this as really such a big issue since it doesnt seem like it would be hard to bypass at all
silver marten
we've already seen one Chinese user get banned for trying to bypass this
tribal olive
do they do it actively for any user or jst those that make it public?
tribal olive
account creation wise atleast its still as simple as choosing your region and putting in fake address,does the game then have extra checks?
silver marten
i dont know
tribal olive
cant find anything on it so ill assume for now it doesnt,in that case seems like PSN would only make microtransactions a bit harder to do rather than completey blocking off the game for people in unsupported countries,hell ive survived with an xbox account on a fake address in a different country and even bought a bunch of stuff on it and it never had any issues even though in lithuania its technically unavailable
silver marten
i personally wouldnt risk it
not yet atleast
let some other chumps figure it out first
tribal olive
i'd be down to test it but the game is 40$ and i dont have that money rn even with refunds 
supple gazelle
Forcing people to break TOS to play a game they bought is just not an acceptable way to go about doing business
Even if it's easy to do
silver marten
forcing people to break tos to play a game you already bought is just not an acceptable way to go about doing business
abstract cape
forcing people to break tos to play a game you already bought is just not an acceptable way to go about doing business
It's really crazy how out of touch big companies are. They could make so much more money by listening to consumers and fulfilling people's wants, but instead they decide to do things like the PSN debacle and try to dig in, causing their own net loss.
leaden thunder
I really hope this gets reverted soon https://fxtwitter.com/lastknownmeal/status/1787042772295270537?
crisp sable
it was fun while it lasted
lost blade
<@89108905883336704> continuing from the general chat,i do have an account and i...
it's crazy to me that psn isn't available in the baltics in the first place
also my refund got denied
oh well
i didn't expect it to get approved
crisp sable
lawsuit time
tribal olive
it's crazy to me that psn isn't available in the baltics in the first place
corpos hate it here for some reason idk
supple gazelle
lawsuit time
I would be surprised if this was illegal
Like, if this bit was in the store page day 1, a lawsuit is most definitely a waste of time
Them selling it in places you can't play it anymore, might be illegal if they don't offer refounds to those people, but that's another story
We still don't know how that situation will shake out by the end of it
rain garden
Like, if this bit was in the store page day 1, a lawsuit is most definitely a wa...
according to some pundits, it has been
vocal ore
It was there, but it wasn't enforced and was/is (until tomorrow for new folks) skippable.
What you can nail them for is changing the wording on their global site about PSN usage for PC games (from optional to "some games might require it") the day after that announcement was made.
The other bit is allowing it to be sold to regions outside what they support and penalizing folks for doing so.
compact cipher
Like, if this bit was in the store page day 1, a lawsuit is most definitely a wa...
The giant SKIP button on the in-game prompt for that "requirement" kind of slaps that in the face
supple gazelle
I mean it says it's required on the store page, that alone will probably make any lawsuit fail regardkess of timings of the implementation
Except maybe in the regions that you can't legally have a PSN account in
In those I definitely expect that they'll allow all refounds at the very least
Kinda holding out for Arrowhead to come out on top and be able to carve out an exception for those regions from sony
rain garden
That's the most likely outcome, I'd say. Everyone else that is in a country where PSN can exist normally, won't have an exception made
vocal ore
I suspect it will be account only or no-go, regardless of where you are or bought it. They've already barred the vast majority of the world and there is no real hurry to bring in more nations/regions.
And if this game requires/will require, other games from Sony will follow suit, single-player or not.
End of the Day, Sony is fine sacrificing a decent chunk of a popular game's playerbase to get more accounts and have more direct control over their PC playerbase, since they were late in jumping on that bandwagon.
They are betting on people wanting to play games where they are (preferably on their consoles) versus taking a stand at giving and making yet another account (especially with their security history). Most will not care or know.
supple gazelle
I'll wait a week to see before determining that's Sony stance, they are a big company and I expect they'll be slow to react, but maybe they'll change their mind, we'll see
It definitely wouldn't surprise me if it ended up being their stance tho
vocal ore
To back out now means that people will forever raise hell when they try again on PC. They've already changed their wording, banned most of the world, and haven't budged as of yet (bosses in Japan are still on Golden Week though).
But we'll see. I'd like to be wrong here.
supple gazelle
Yeah but also, the problem in keeping a strong stance here, means possibly scaring away other indie devs like Arrowhead studios with working with them, when they let them hanging out to dry
In a climate where indie are pretty happy to go to Microsoft and getting the gamepass treatment
vocal ore
True, but Sony is cash for studios needing it, much like EGS offering exclusive first hits and other big companies buying companies for their IPs and resources.
supple gazelle
Yeah I'm just saying that there are upsides with budging here, especially on the publishing side of the business
Devs want a publisher to solve problems for them, not to create them
We'll see where they'll land ultimately
vocal ore
Budging requires that the people that made the choice to admit that they were wrong, and God forbid they allow themselves the shame of that (avoiding numerous examples for rules reasons).
Anyway, first test will be how the new Warbond lands and player counts with it. Real test will be at the end of the month when players prior to May 6 are forced to make an account or lose access to a game they paid for.
leaden thunder
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vocal ore
I have a few questions:
- When was the call made to disable that?
- When was the issue(s) fixed that could have allowed for this to be implemented?
- Why was the game sold in places that the "known" requirements would have disallowed such?
- Why wait until now or was it forced down from up high?
- Why did Sony change their wording to enforce this when it wasn't needed for any PC game being sold before that announcement?
- If this was to be forced and it was fixed in a reasonable manner, why still have the skip button in-game on first boot during the customization process?
- What will this account do for PC folks that isn't being done now? And to clarify, why is it needed when other companies use Steam to do the vast majority of things that this would enable Sony to do.
supple gazelle
Why did Sony change their wording to enforce this when it wasn't needed for any PC game being sold before that announcement?
Helldivers is the one game on pc that requires it, that FAQ page was for games on pc in general, it's hardly a leap to think that it wouldn't be updated to include Helldivers hedgecase.
We have an answer of this too, at least from Arrowhead:
Why was the game sold in places that the "known" requirements would have disallowed such?
Arrowhead isn't the company that is selling the game, Sony is, they don't know why they sold it wherever.
compact cipher
$$$$
lost blade
god damn the recent reviews are down to 15% and the total reviews are down to 45%
hushed sundial
Steam will flag it as some point for review bombing and the overall ratings will reset.
hushed sundial
It happens all the time when a game gets review bombed, even when it is legitimate. War Thunder encountered the same thing where recent negative reviews for the past X days were filtered out from the default view because of abnormal activity.
lost blade
Steam will flag it as some point for review bombing and the overall ratings will...
when the war thunder one happened i swear they reverted it by now
supple gazelle
Ehhh, a good chunk of them is protest reviews, which I agree with but I don't know if it's legitimate reviews of the game
I am not familiar with Steam rules for reviews
hushed sundial
A user would have to go into the settings and change off the default review view to be able to see the negative reviews.
lost blade
i hope they don't
hushed sundial
Those negative reviews are still flagged for War Thunder.
supple gazelle
It's also fair to say that those reviews don't really help a customer to tell if they'd like Helldivers 2 or not
lost blade
true
i'd be fine with reverting the reviews if sony backtracks
because let's say they backtrack right now and they don't revert the reviews, i don't think the reviews score would ever recover
silver marten
It's also fair to say that those reviews don't really help a customer to tell if...
yeah they do? knowing a company forces an external account post launch is important for consumers to know
supple gazelle
Not really, once you know it's a requirement you are either fine with it or you aren't
It doesn't really speak to the quality of the game past creating the account
Or at least, it might be relevant infromation, but it's a review of the publisher of the game, not really of the game.
By that logic should I be able to leave a review of this on IDK, God of War?
Would it make sense to be there?
supple gazelle
IDK I don't like this weird meta information, I don't think it's relevant as a review 3 years down the line.
Personally
If Sony ended up asking for it to omitted from the score, it would make sense in my mind at least
Especially if they retract that decision in whole or in part
silver marten
if they retract it, maybe
supple gazelle
Seems like the review bombs are also going to Helldivers 1 for example
silver marten
ok now THAT is pointless
supple gazelle
If the logic is that a company did this once they can do it again, it would make sense, but I don't think it does
As a sidenote, I wasn't aware Arrowhead were the people that made Magika
They have a thing for blowing up your friends
silver marten
yeah, its the same humour
its also why strategems are DDR, its the magica system but with orbital barrages
scarlet burrow
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scarlet burrow
lost blade
i really thought i had a game where i could just play when i get home for a bit because i love pve games
scarlet burrow
gonna include this here if your trying to get a refund and go past the 2 hour and 14 day thing for helldivers do via this way
It will have it reviewed by an actual person instead of a bot
rain garden
https://fxtwitter.com/bucky_cm/status/1787142411417985438?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoE...
I'd say the game awards celebrates the game, which is great, not the product, which got fucked over by the publisher's decision
So still a god chance of hearing the orchestra play it :X
scarlet burrow
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjjzjo/if_you_are_planning_on_refunding_through_steam/
scarlet burrow
lost blade
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjjzjo/if_you_are_planning_on_refu...
2nd try
lets see if they actually do it
if you would like to experience hell you should read through the helldivers discord rn
other fun activities to do include, listening to extremely high pitched noises, stubbing your toe, and biting your tongue
ebon cipher
Yes, it is true that the Helldivers Discord server resembles a massive dumpster fire at the moment.
If you squint hard enough, though, you can occasionally still spot some people having a good time between the copypastas and verbal artillery shells.
ebon cipher
Oh.
Huh.
I'm... actually incredibly surprised that people managed to get through to them about this.
scarlet burrow
Oh.
Huh.
I'm... actually incredibly surprised that people managed to get throu...
The large amount of refunds and review bombing is what did it
mixed and negative reviewed games are also demoted in steam’s algorithm which also means lost sales
grand bear
ebon cipher
Ah, I see.
Speaking of those review bombs, how long do we think it is going to take for the game to recover from them? I doubt that all of the hundreds of thousands of negative reviewers are going to take the time to go back and change their rating.
hearty sage
Steam could do it in an instant if they flag it for unusual review activity
but that requires Valve actually doing something 
scarlet burrow
usually its automated
vocal ore
Valve will make a note of it, but probably keep it in. It's up to folks to reverse things and let new folks make reviews.
grand bear
usually its automated
In this case I think Valve will give it to community
leaden thunder
grand bear
silver marten
I'm genuinely, completely, utterly, shocked. I was expecting at minimum ut as a requirement for crossplay, which at least would make sense
Wow
crisp sable
apparently helldivers managed to get as many negative reviews as Overwatch has over it's lifetime
grand bear
apparently helldivers managed to get as many negative reviews as Overwatch has o...
Yeah
That's how we all worked together
rain garden
supple gazelle
Nice, I also would expect that part of the reason, is that Arrowhead must have been pretty furious with Sony for torpedo-ing their game
vocal ore
It also opens the rest of the games to questioning. Ghosts of Tsushima is the next big Sony game coming to Steam and they are already getting ahead in alerting people to what you might need a PSN for and what it would be required for.
We've gone from fucking over a game to big-picture Sony exclusives coming to PC on Steam and elsewhere.
supple gazelle
Ghost of Tsushima they said ahead of time just needs it for the multiplayer mode
This info was out before the helldivers thing
vocal ore
Right and people will be okay with knowing that ahead of time. They're mentioning it again to CYA themselves.
supple gazelle
They did repeat during the chaos probably to make sure people knew ahead of time and avoid another review bombing campaign
vocal ore
I hope it works. We know which countries/regions shouldn't be able to buy it now. Didn't even have to go to war for that lesson. /s
supple gazelle
To be fair, I didn't expect a full walk back, I expected exceptions for certain countries at most
They can still probably sell it in those countries, for ghost of Tsushima, as long as they put a discalemer that the multiplayer mode won't be available for them
vocal ore
I honestly expected them to go full-steam ahead since it would have been a one-off pain. It worked for just about everyone else over the years.
That said, the reversal is a good sign, but it will take time to help those folks that are currently barred from buying it and/or wanting to have a PSN account for future things.
supple gazelle
https://fxtwitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1787370710597312605
Also apparently we are getting this cape ingame https://x.com/Pilestedt/status/1787379765441085890
Twitter
vocal ore
Give it to everyone, throw in a quick backstory about how a group of Helldivers went against orders, died via Democracy Officers, and Super Earth High Command went back to fully exonerate those after checking on protests back home about it.
Myself from another server.
Fuck it. Call it "Broken Arrowhead" or something.
Twitter
compact cipher
I've gone and switched my review back to recommended. I'm hoping most of the people who left negative reviews go back and do that too.
rain garden
That's the next major order
lost blade
I'm genuinely, completely, utterly, shocked. I was expecting at minimum ut as a ...
i had hope because of the ps3 store thing a couple years ago
lost blade
it's already recovered a little
all time is back to 54%
recent is 34%
america is waking up so it'll happen quicker now
supple gazelle
This is very funny: https://fxtwitter.com/KaptainKrunch97/status/1787378089267495297
I wasn't aware of this, but now my headcanon is that this employee also cosplay as a cowboy
I do not wish to be proven wrong of that delusion.
abstract cape
Japan has such a massive respect for America and its culture, this is a crazy sounding idea, but I believe it to be true
hearty sage
there is literally a Texaboo bar in Japan
some parts of Japan basically worship American culture 
abstract cape
American weebs and Japanese cowboys are a cultural exchange
grand bear
fallen ridge
nice edited video of the Review HellDive major order
lime cypress
Now it's time to change reviews
Or wait, did Sony return the game to 170+ countries
Still nope
scarlet burrow
Or wait, did Sony return the game to 170+ countries
That apparently was a decision by valve in order to stop a potential influx of refunds until this situation was sorted out
To delist it from steam in those countries
Recovery is going well
13% to 41% in 24 hours is impressive
lost blade
lost blade
13% to 41% in 24 hours is impressive
a couple more hours and it's this now
abstract cape
It ascends
lost blade
new high command dispatch
this is the first post about the game in this channel since friday lol
jagged crypt
Really wish blitz missions werent in every campaign
rain garden
Twitter
silk pebble
😭
gritty sundial
lime cypress
vocal marten
https://twitter.com/ShitpostGate/status/1787555928205590677?s=19
super earth truly transcends all reality
pliant hawk
rain garden
scarlet burrow
Yeah. I suspect sony was displeased with how some of arrowheads staff responded
I wont be surprised if a few months down the road “budget cuts” happen
silver marten
I wont be surprised if a few months down the road “budget cuts” happen
sony dont own arrowhead? ithink
they;re just the publisher
scarlet burrow
leaden thunder
compact cipher
helldivers can no longer land on tall rocks in "horde defense missions"
Boooooo
supple gazelle
Hey, I wasn't insane, good to know
scarlet burrow
And i called it
https://fixupx.com/helldiversmedia/status/1787936594168582357?s=46&t=bVzXPIZvXYyJJoEkCfgMsQ they probably made them fire her
silver marten
thats expected tbh
scarlet burrow
Yeah. Sony was probably super pissed at her since she basically became the rallying cry for refunding and review bombing
vocal ore
Not surprised. Going against the Publisher will be the public version, but I am willing to bet it was the initial early responses that did him in.
compact cipher
compact cipher
Am I crazy or is it impossible to get random joins after you start a campaign?
I've had zero joins after someone left, and now I'm alone
scarlet burrow
If you deploy the sos I believe it puts you higher in the queue
Otherwise your low priority
rain garden
compact cipher
If you deploy the sos I believe it puts you higher in the queue
That's the thing. I've had an SOS out the whole time
Zero joins
scarlet burrow
What difficulty are you on
compact cipher
7
silver marten
did you want another diver ember? im free
vocal ore
Also free, but Steam Downtime is now.
lost blade
operation clean up the review score is going decently
we're back to 73% which is mostly positive
for all time
compact cipher
What the fuck is this
On the shuttle but it's not lifting off
Oh my god what the fuck
I just lost super samples because of that
supple gazelle
Yeah sad to see this was not fixed, happened to me once as well
I still don't know what causes it
compact cipher
There it is again. 0 joins with a rank 7 mission
SOS beacon not available
I was alone
vocal ore
Happened to me twice. In my cases, people decided to make an "explosive exit" and it stopped the extract from leaving until the countdown finished.
lost blade
my favorite thing is when i died and the reinforces dont work so i have to abandon the mission to give them another slot
or when i dive and spawn under the map because i hit a weird place
or when i'm choosing my strategems and whenever i press the button to show strategems it goes to the equipment menu for some reason
the first one only happened once but the other 2 (especially 3) are consistant problems for me
in the patch notes "Major orders with the “Kill task” now track score correctly. Previously it counted the entire squad’s kills once for each player, meaning it would multiply the score by the number of people on the mission; this is now amended."
oh so thats why it went so fast lol
scarlet burrow
What the fuck is this
This tends to happen if someone shoots explosives or calls an airstrike on it
compact cipher
No one did
leaden thunder
lost blade
yesterday was the first time i've actually seen the start screen
oh wait
i just admitted i dont watch the intro every time
fallen ridge
Democracy Officer, yes this one over here
We'll make you dive with 2 mines, a jet pack and a stalwart!
(Can mines even kill chargers?)
lost blade
why tf can stalkers fling you so far
abstract cape
They're definitely an enemy you wanna gun down before they get to you. But you have to be super aware now due to the invis fix.
fallen ridge
yeah, when I saw one flat out dissapear
Panicked Helldiver noises
Up down up right, Just blow up the general vicinity
abstract cape
If they charge at you and you don't have an automatic weapon, explosive, or flamer (which causes them to panic and flee), prepare stims
The automatic weapon solution tends to work best, so long as you keep it trained on center mass (where their heads are)
lost blade
that was my first close bug holes on level 8 and oh my god there were so many stalkers
supple gazelle
The other day I happened in a mission with 2 Stalker lairs
It was...an eventful mission
lost blade
should they add a level 10 difficulty?
all medium bugs are chargers
all chargers are bike titans
and small bugs are stalkers
scarlet burrow
compact cipher
what a name
leaden thunder
abstract cape
Has anyone else gotten an error with the GG Anti-cheat called "Error 114"?
Im currently not able to play the game at all because of this error, and Ive tried every solution available.
compact cipher
Re-verify files?
abstract cape
I should probably list the things I did already lmao.
I verified files
Did the reccomended solution of deleting the gameguard folder, which the game re-downloads it on start
Completely reinstalled the game (and doing it a second time now)
And Ive updated everything I could.
Im also troubleshooting on the discord, but I figured I'd ask if anyone else has had this issue besides me
supple gazelle
Google find a bunch of people from previous months with similar issues but no solid easy fix for it
abstract cape
It's a really odd issue. Ive been playing it just fine for months now, and it just suddenly happened. I hope the reinstall fixes it, since two people on the discord said to do that.
leaden thunder
compact cipher
It's always the fucking common samples I'm out of
lost blade
same
abstract cape
Game has been fix btw. Steam of all things was apparently what GG was pissed about.
fallen ridge
wild
Also , I've been seeing feedback that the new warbond is kinda meh. Tenderizer is apparently worse than the Liberator.
Pummeler has concusive which can stun enemies, so seems ok.
The Deagle only has light pen so it's a High Damage light target killer I suppose.
The grenade looks good though, now that fire is fixed.
The Charge up gun doesn't seem to do as much damage as you'd think for the fire rate, doing as much as the plasma punisher, but with slower fire rate lol
I was waiting on this to be the first warbond I bought, but maybe I should just get Steeled Veterans? Seeing all the negative feedback is dissapointing.
It's like they Pre-nerfed this warbond haha
scarlet burrow
Also , I've been seeing feedback that the new warbond is kinda meh. Tenderizer i...
the previous warbond besides base was the best one imo. if you havent yet the grenade pistol is honestly really good
fallen ridge
Aye, but they nerfed the eruptor and the Explosive Crossbow right
I'd be spending 1000 SC for a pistol...
scarlet burrow
that is fair
if you want a better deal the one with the sickle/scythe is worth it
easily the best energy assault rifle in the game
fallen ridge
True, and they buffed the blitzer to be good
And the armour passive is unique
makes sense to me Agent, thanks for the recomendation
silver marten
Aye, but they nerfed the eruptor and the Explosive Crossbow right
Yeah but they're still great and give the most drastic change to your gameplay
silver marten
if you want a better deal the one with the sickle/scythe is worth it
They got nerfed but they're still the best, agreed
silver marten
silver marten
The tldr: assault rifle sucks, plasma underwhelming, pistol could be better could be worse, grenade good, smg best
rain garden
lost blade
Twitter
silver marten
im sure we can probaby do that
crisp sable
Without my beloved eruptor? No chance
supple gazelle
Was the eruptor any good against automatons anyway?
I had a good time with it against bugs, it didn't seem that good vs automatons to me
vocal ore
Twitter
rain garden
Twitter
hushed sundial
The most recent stuff is most likely because of the whole wanting to buy Paramount stuff more so than anything gaming related.
crisp sable
Was the eruptor any good against automatons anyway?
it was decent
it was explosive so it would kill striders and had radius so it could kill trash groups relatively easily
vocal ore
Treat it like the Bolt Pistol from Darktide, but give it a quarter/half second for targets further away.
scarlet burrow
so the reason we reached 2 billion kills so fast last time was because it counted a kill as multple xD
supple gazelle
Actually that makes sense, I assume it's because the system counts the kills to towards personal orders even if you aren't the one that's doing them
So if you need to kill 2 chargers for a personal order, as long as the team kills 2 chargers you get the credit.
It makes sense that if 4 people are in a mission, it'd count the kills for all 4 towards the major order, unless they account for it
rain garden
leaden thunder
silver marten
i barely use the autocannon anymore tbh
i mostly use eats
eat and sheilds, tho im probably gonna use the ballistic sheild more often with that new smg
leaden thunder
lime cypress
https://fxtwitter.com/hazzadorgamin/status/1789347262403068008?
That's the reason I didn't remove my negative review
I thought it was Sony
Yeah, this is completly Sony decision
Imagine how many guys was scammed and removed their negative review when situation didn't over
tribal olive
Yeah, this is completly Sony decision
lithuania has fallen 
kinda sad cuz i wanted to get the game in a month or so
leaden thunder
That's the reason I didn't remove my negative review
Well I’d keep it there till they change it
rain garden
Don't wake the mouse
lime cypress
kinda sad cuz i wanted to get the game in a month or so
Thanks to people that convinced to put positive reviews when Sony did 1 relief instead rollback
leaden thunder
Thanks to people that convinced to put positive reviews when Sony did 1 relief i...
So will you be getting refunded?
lime cypress
So will you be getting refunded?
I can't refund
I got game as gift
Even worse, i paid to get gift
Because Russia moment
Like we have 2/3 banned AAA game
Maybe even more
75%
Like most of publishers instead just receiving money and make money leave Russia, decided just block Russian region
leaden thunder
hugs
rain garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAYot6YZsr0 helldivers, how accurate?
silver marten
lost blade
i had a really nice game tonight and it made me realize that i have not added a single person as a friend on this game
lost blade
i love people complaining about this game being boring when they've played like 200 hours already
i think the fact that there was a whole week when i didn't play makes it so i'm not bored
abstract cape
Buys game
Fries neurons by playing it for hundreds of hours straight
"Man all this action sure is boring"
The only boring part to me is having to listen to the same action track for so long. I like the automaton marching theme, but having to hear it every single time I get into a skirmish with them is really grating
silver marten
you can turn down the music you know
rain garden
That's treason
compact cipher
I turn down the music so I can frickin hear the enemy
supple gazelle
I switched to my own music for a while now
The game music is really good but yeah, for games you play for so long it's pretty normal to want to switch stuff up
abstract cape
Yeah, I just want them to add more tracks
scarlet burrow
Yeah after a few missions i turned down the music
leaden thunder
silver marten
supple gazelle
Is it just me, or the new SMG is kind of incredible?
It stuns whatever it hits in a few shots, makes dealing with devastators kind of a joke
silver marten
It's good yeah
leaden thunder
rain garden
leaden thunder
supple gazelle
Ok so, I cemented my automaton loadout as new SMG, grenade pistol, stun grenade, anti-materiel rifle, balistic shield, rocket pods, and eaglie airstrike
Still unsure about the armor, I do like the half damage from explosion one but I have to admit, heavy armor is pretty slow and that's annoying
supple gazelle
I don't think it gives that much extra proection, if I had a medium version for half damage from explosions I'd wear that
silver marten
im sure there is one? probably costs super cresdits tho
supple gazelle
Not that big of a deal, the only thing that means that I have to make sure one of the boosts is the stamina
So if someone else doesn't put it up, I have to
A bit less versatility
leaden thunder
Do we think the devs will do events for like winter and summer? Even if it’s just cosmetics based on it.
silver marten
it would be cool to have winter planets be xmas themed
leaden thunder
And titans wearing Santa hats
silver marten
ye
compact cipher
The medium armors that give you a 50% chance of not dying are the biggest health buffs in the game
silver marten
yeah tbh
but it feels a bit cheaty so i dont use em
plus i dont like relying on a 50/50
compact cipher
The game is stacked against the player, may as well take any advantage you can get
silver marten
true
scarlet burrow
Twitter
grand bear
Helldivers!
As many of you have noticed, something has been off with patrols and spawn rate for some time now. This primarily leads to more enemies rearing their ugly heads than they're supposed to, indirectly to players feeling overrun, kiting, and subsequently less fun gameplay. This has been the case for all players, but predominantly for smaller teams and solo playing. We've been aware, but frankly, the past couple of weeks have been so hectic that we haven't been able to give this the TLC that it required. We now have, and we've concluded that it's not working as intended and we're changing it. There might be some minor tweaks, but overall we're reverting back to how patrols and spawn rate worked before the patch that changed them a few weeks ago. We believe that this is more or less how you currently want them to be.
We also know you want us to do things and changes properly instead of rushing them, and we do as well. Therefore, implementing this will take some time. We want to give it proper testing and review it ... ah heck, simply see that it works this time. Even if this means we're faced with more bugs and bots than even the bravest of citizens would deem realistic for a while longer, we hope you're happy with us fixing the problem.
Onwards and upwards!
crisp sable
interesting
I have noticed this
it's not a whole lot of fun to be firing and then have a charger spawn directly behind you
silver marten
abstract cape
I'm hyped for SEAF troopers
I need me some Halo marine style allies
Its not confirmed mind you, but I've heard it's a likely direction they're going in the future. No source on that tho.
crisp sable
what direction?
silver marten
sumonable SEAF trooper allies
abstract cape
Even just SEAF allies in the wild would be really cool. Make it like we're ODST's dropping in to assist the marines. Maybe have them at certain objectives, where they die if you take too long to get there. Patrols would also be really cool, but that seems less likely.
(To clarify, it would suck in most situations to make a marine saving objective, I mean more like they'd make it easier to defend an obj)
sweet veldt
No no they are fodder
jagged crypt
A field commander type strategem setup sounds dope
Could really use some extra guns tbh
lost blade
so all of this has just been a special military operation, mark my words, we're about to blitz the enemies of democracy because now we'll actually start trying
i'm excited to send conscripts if they do callable troops
hearty sage
fallen ridge
yo that's sick
leaden thunder
silver marten
Huzzah!
tribal olive
meanwhile for lithuania its the complete opposite,not just unbuyable but now full on unlisted
lost blade
https://fxtwitter.com/helldiversmedia/status/1791469409854443572?
these are all US territories
lime cypress
meanwhile for lithuania its the complete opposite,not just unbuyable but now ful...
Welcome to Russia Lithuania
We have 80% AAA games like that
abstract cape
It still kinda blows my mind that PR didn't at least have PSN support. I figured they did because they were essentially a "psuedo state" if that makes sense (since it's the most well known and populated US territory)
abstract cape
Idk, it's weird
leaden thunder
these are all US territories
Well Hopfully the rest of the countries that got it taken away come back
leaden thunder
silver marten
hmmmmmm
that number of enemies we need to kill is suspicious
anyway im gonna go eat some democratic apple pi
compact cipher
3 trillion? Didn't we already fail a major order for 3 billion?
silver marten
It's pi
silver marten
It's probably either a bug or intending to hint at something
scarlet burrow
If referring to pi. That would about a 1/3 of a circle iirc
leaden thunder
silk pebble
that glitch happened to me once
rain garden
silver marten
lol
leaden thunder
leaden thunder
silver marten
Can't fake good boots easily
leaden thunder
scarlet burrow
Twitter
jagged crypt
NEW EXOSUIT WOOOO
crisp sable
The game needs a serious rebalance
hushed sundial
It seemed like they really tried as hard as they could to nuke enthusiasm for the game at the beginning of the month
abstract cape
One thing I don't really get is why people are so increidbly upset over the weapon balance changes. Aren't we supposed to be underpowered, and on the backfoot? It feels like people are coming out with "this game's dead" after a balance patch, which seems unfair.
hushed sundial
Here are a bunch of major orders that are designed to make you fail, you'll lose a bunch of planets, we made that gun you like unfun, and here's a mediocre warbond to top things off.
abstract cape
Failing a few MO's seems like a good thing, since it's determining what the devs are going to focus on: One of which being the lower player numbers. Not to mention they'll be reversing the patrol balance thing in a patch at some point.
The PSN thing inevitably tanked the numbers, so it's in a sort of transitionary period as to where the game is going to go next
hushed sundial
I'm not against failing MOs, but that really destroys any sense of "I'm doing my part" when it is that obvious that the MO is rigged against the entire player base.
And my point is that all of this happened back-to-back that killed a lot of the momentum.
abstract cape
I get the point, but I don't really subscribe to the notion to tear it down like a lot of players I have seen do. Like, I hail from TF2 as my main game, and Valve has made some really shit decisions, not just in a balance sense, but in a server sense too. My point is that, with all of the hate people are currently garnering for the game, is that it's larhely unfair due to the fact that it's in an uncertain period of its life, after Sony fucked it all up. I don't mind people complaining about a game being bullshit, I literally have prohlems just starting the damn thing, but at least give the devs more time to cook before tossing it out after an okay warbond (not directed specifically at you)
The building blocks of a long lasting game is it's community, and up until recently, the community has been fairly great. Now outside of the PSN issue that's blocking portions of the community from playing the game, I've seen so many people just tear it down without a second thought over like, a change of a weapon that makes it not as good.
silver marten
i personaly, mostly agreed with the weapon nerfs
the railgun is still super strong, the quazar is still an amazing choice, the eruptor is still amazing...
rain garden
Because people suck and always look for the 'next big thing' and turn on things on a dime once a crack appears
abstract cape
Yeah, and it's really sad to see, with how much of a great game HD2 is, and how much potential there's still left in it
silver marten
i do see peoples point of "this weapon is really fun oh they nerfed the fun" but like
my guy
its a non-backpack rocket launcher with unlimited ammo, range and no projectile drop
the quazar was broken AF, there was literally no reason to use any other weapon
abstract cape
Ikr
The only reason why I rate it below the Recoilless is due to the fact that the blast can be inconsistent. Even with the 15 second cooldown.
(IE: It can phase through things and miss, or it'll hit but the damage doesn't hit the part you were aiming for)
crisp sable
One thing I don't really get is why people are so increidbly upset over the weap...
the gun balance is part of it, but I feel like the issues are more systematic like that. Like, the way bots are armored, for example, makes a lot of guns just kind of useless against them. I suspect it's a big reason why people don't want to play the bots-- and because people don't want to play against the bots, that's half the game's content, gone.
abstract cape
Yeah, that's fair. I get that general vibe with high difficulties in general, but the bots definitely are worse.
Bugs have many tiers of squishy enemies, bots are extremely armored. It feels like a lot of bullet weapons that aren't the medium pen kind, just don't really work.
crisp sable
Like, I will play bots, but they're deeply frustrating to fight at times
supple gazelle
To be honest, now that I played a bunch, I find the bots more manegable than the bugs
crisp sable
for example, the other day I helldive into this planet, we land near a gunship factory, the gunships kill us, and we keep respawning. I had a spear but I couldn't get it to lock on at all, I'm not sure what the others were doing, but they kept calling in hellbombs and losing them. We all died, team wipe, we respawn.
Right next to a second gunship factory
silver marten
my problem with the bugs is that bugs are, for the most part, either vulnerable to every weapon or practically none
you're basically forced to have a rocket launcher for chargers and bile titans
which isnt a huge problem mind, but it does restrict tactical versatility somewhat, i love bringing the stalwart on bug missions but often just cant
crisp sable
by the time I quit there was like 10 gunships in the air, and we couldn't do anything about them because we couldn't get our anti vehicle weapons to work and they're too armored for normal guns
abstract cape
I hate how inconsistent armor pen seems to be as well
crisp sable
Like there's all these little things
abstract cape
Primaries that tote "higher pen" stats seem to have a very inconsistent damage to armor, much more often to bugs than bots. Charger legs for example are one of my highest pet peeves.
crisp sable
Spears require lockon, but they don't do enough damage to one shot anything unless you hit the weak spot... but you don't get to actually aim the missile so, like, what?
abstract cape
Ngl, I feel the spear is a bit too, ahem, "modern" in aesthetic. Not to mention the many issues with it.
crisp sable
if it was modern it probably wouldn't miss
abstract cape
It's essentially just a Javellin missile launcher. That's pretty much it.
A worse Javellin.
crisp sable
it's the LRMs of helldivers
abstract cape
I'd like to see a "fly-by-wire" missile launcher. Maybe it acts like a bigger, heavier recoilless, but it needs two people to operate the guided missile controls.
crisp sable
one person to fire it, one person to sit on it like it's a horse and steer it
abstract cape
Really high damage, but really heavy
abstract cape
one person to fire it, one person to sit on it like it's a horse and steer it
Yeah! We need more team based weapons.
crisp sable
hell missile STRG-1053
abstract cape
Davy Crockett 
silver marten
you know what i would love?
deployable mortar
abstract cape
Same
silver marten
just set it down, one guy aims, the other guy loads
abstract cape
I'd also like more enemy infantry units to use the mortar on
silver marten
that too!
crisp sable
but anyway, this is what I mean about balance issues
silver marten
actually what i would love is variable ammunition types for weapons
like you can have fragmentation rockets for clusters of enemies, and armour piercing for heavy targets, but the same recoilless rifle
crisp sable
there's parts of the game that are just not fun because things are so stacked against you
fun for memes but at the end of the day, you can't sustain a game on memes alone
rain garden
scarlet burrow
When we get the AT guns the mech is gonna be a lot more viable
silver marten
fallen ridge
Nothing Sus here Democracy Officer. Just some Extra Effecient Helldivers.
rain garden
silver marten
the new mech is out, everyone gets one for the next day as a reward
tested it out just now, you get 75 shots per arm, so 150 total
its very fun, tho lacks the sustain of the last mech. you cant beat 1000 minigun boolets in terms of long-term damage output
id probably recommend using it mostly against bots
it has a weird issue where the gun doesnt always point where you're aiming? i think the guns are lower down on the body and sometimes get blocked by scenery or height differences, so its actually aiming lower than you expect
just something to be aware of, not a huge issue
abstract cape
That's all very good to note 
scarlet burrow
Definitely good. We needed more AT
Apparently devs in their discord said they plan on reversing some of the weapon nerfs theyve done soon
scarlet burrow
Twitter
crisp sable
it feels bugged to hell
scarlet burrow
fallen ridge
hahah
true vigil
silver marten
Oh no
scarlet burrow
Twitter
fallen ridge
neat effect
scarlet burrow
Twitter
leaden thunder
New warbond coming out. Looks really good https://fxtwitter.com/playstation/status/1798686600030986385?
abstract cape
The post was deleted
abstract cape
leaden thunder
The post was deleted <:rdsnrk:587780329335422977>
Oh it was? Must’ve made a mistake when they posted it
abstract cape
Probably lol
scarlet burrow
Hopefully it ties in to some new content
jagged crypt
New warbond coming out. Looks really good https://fxtwitter.com/playstation/stat...
NEW EXOSUIT RAAAAA
Oh wait its a reskin
fallen ridge
why have you posted this here Agent?
fallen ridge
thx
scarlet burrow
Twitter
silver marten
This is like the third opportunity to unlock AT mines
We're probably going for civilian rescue tho as a community
scarlet burrow
fallen ridge
alas, not to many details on the patch itself, but here's hoping it's good
scarlet burrow
The big one being we can see what planets are tied to unlocking other planets via supply lines
Also super samples being able to be harvested at level 6
crisp sable
I'm hoping for a spear fix
supple gazelle
There is a Spear fix
That said, it seems like they did a minor fuck up and it can't target fabricators anymore, but it's confirmed to not be intended
Also seems like they made it so it's harder to stun larger enemies
Which I mean, it was kind of silly that the new smg could stun chargers forever
jagged crypt
Hearing people say Helldivers 2 is already on a steep decline. Guess the trend players are starting to leave now.
supple gazelle
I think it has a bout 1/5th of the players it had at launch, which is very high as far as retention rate goes
Especially given the...situation with Sony
silver marten
The patch is pretty great tho
scarlet burrow
Most people i know are waiting for either major new missions or the third faction to show up
rain garden
Those are still absolutely healthy numbers
Honestly based on past trends of other games, the peak and high player count was an oddity
scarlet burrow
Part of it too is just in general how theres really not that many high profile releases this year
Helldivers 2, the elden ring dlc, and eventually blops 6 are really the only ones i can recall
compact cipher
The automaton missions spawn gunships as part of regular patrols now and it makes me want to die
supple gazelle
As long as it's not many of them it's not that bad
silver marten
The automaton missions spawn gunships as part of regular patrols now and it make...
we found that out to our horror last night
do airfields spawn?
because ill take that tradeoff
scarlet burrow
Twitter
silver marten
Ok I actually enjoy getting these announcements late, makes me feel like this is real news
crisp sable
there's apparently a bug with the spawnrate though
fallen ridge
ah, in the positive or negative direction?
crisp sable
in a 'there's too many of them, master skywalker' way
fallen ridge
Oh no!
silver marten
Twitter
crisp sable
what...what would they have dnoated to if we had gone for the mines?
silver marten
compact cipher
Probably that charity that trains rats to sniff out mines
rain garden
errant rock
I really want to play helldivers 2
But sony and their damned psn account for playstation is barring me
supple gazelle
I think that they dropped that requirement
compact cipher
If you're talking about PC then that requirement was dropped after community outrage
errant rock
For playstation im not sure
compact cipher
Oh yeah probably not
errant rock
Yeah I checked for PS5 a psn subscription is needrd
There is nothing we can do
Go and spread managed democracy for me helldivers
supple gazelle
Can you even use a playstation without a PSN account?
I legit never thought of that
compact cipher
If you don't go online, yes
errant rock
Yeah no multiplayer features
night spire
scarlet burrow
Twitter
Drama aside. Main reason was probably just due to lack of new mission content.
silver marten
which makes sense, the warbonds are awesome but the missions do get a bit samey after a while
the main variaton is maps
scarlet burrow
The new jungle map is pretty cool
silver marten
yeah, and the tree maps we've recently unlocked
scarlet burrow
i think when the third faction inevtiably is introduced will see a comeback
silver marten
indeed
ebon cipher
Twitter
The highlights so far:
- New enemies
- The Impaler from HD1 (Terminid that causes tentacles to erupt from the ground and try to stab you; think of the tentacles from Half-Life)
- Spore Charger (Terminid Charger that gives off fog in a manner similar to the Nursing Spewer)
- Mobile Automaton artillery (an Automaton armored vehicle that launches rockets at you from afar)
- Terminid Alpha Commander (Brood Commander variant that is tougher, and also spawns Terminids that are "not... the ones that you're used to")
- What appears to be a larger, tougher version of the Automaton Scout Strider (The one we currently have resembles a Star Wars AT-RT; this new one looks more like an AT-ST)
- Difficulty level 10 ("Super Helldive")
- Larger Automaton & Terminid outpost variants
- New variation of the swamp environment (low light and fog reduces visibility)
- Acid rain will begin to reduce armor (both players and enemies are affected)
- New missions/objectives
- "Retrieve Larva" (Find a backpack with Terminid larva inside and extract it; the larva will attract Terminids as it is being carried)
- Some minor story updates (see the end of the YouTube video embedded in the post for those)
summer crypt
silver marten
https://fixupx.com/helldivers2/status/1818270330260959371
finally, flame resistant armour!
and a pocket flamer, and flame... assault rifle of some description
looks like a really fun pack
jagged crypt
And a FIRE MECH
silver marten
No that's just a skin
errant rock
Noobs who think that samples are individual (they're shared): truth is, the game was rigged from the start
abstract cape
I really love helldivers, but rn the community is... something alright, due to the newest update
I do love the new primary flamethrower and shotgun, they are some of my favorite weapons to come out of the game as of yet
silver marten
I love them
But I completely understand the community frustration, they nerved all fire damage right before releasing a fire based pack
abstract cape
I understand the frustration as well, but generally most of what I've seen has been pretty toxic
Not that the other side of the argument is any better, with their own toxic positivity hammering down how narrow minded things are overall
Either way, even though Arrowhead dropped the ball with its main gimmick of the update, I like to think that the update is going in the right general direction with a lot of its changes. They made the slugger feel great to use again, the new enemy types are cool, the armors look and feel awesome, and none of the new weapons really miss the mark
silver marten
Oh I fully agree with the fact that the community is being toxic AF
Jesus
Honestly I've agreed with most of the nerfs to this point in theory, if not the exact execution
The quasar for example was stupid powerful and needed a nerf, but they didn't do the best job nerfing it
abstract cape
Yeah I don't really have that big of a problem with nerfs either, it's just about balancing to give a good combination of ensuring it stays fun, while giving good balance
TF2 is an infamous example of how not to do balance
Valve would typically nerf things incredibly hard if a weapon switched up the balance too much, which leads to specific weapons being viewed as "useless".
Thankfully Arrowhead hasn't given in fully to the nerf train, and are just trying to find a middleground of fun and balance
Which is something a lot of people, outside of the flame rework hate train, don't seem to understand.
Yes, the game is PVE, but the devs made it very clear that we're not supposed to be some OP super soldiers. People fall into the meta loadout camps, and overall, people might be having less fun when one player or group of players is* maximizing their stats and making everything too easy.
I play Helldivers because I like being expendable, since I enjoy the general message of the game. We play as essentially stormtroopers, us being the bad guys. I give my life for Super Earth. 
I find Super Earth's lore incredibly fascinating, since it plays into a broad message about fascism, blind exceptionalism, and bits of INGSOC's ideology from 1984. Which in my opinion at least, does a better general job at pushing for its message than Starship Troopers really did.
I'd delve more, but that gets into rule 2 politics discussion, so I won't
silver marten
Indeed
I still genuinely love HD2
abstract cape
Definitely one of the cooler franchises to peak in these later years!
summer crypt
Helldivers is super fun
my main issue though is
either not having anyone to play with
i have literally 14 people online right now
silver marten
rain garden
errant rock
Helldivers players choosing to save the children instead of the stratagem:
silver marten
the strategem sucks tho
sorry but its true, AT mines are just objectively bad
all mines arent great but the others dont matter as much if they explode early from being inside the radius of other mines
abstract cape
At least the other mines are chaotic and actually function as APers mines
The AT mines just sorta act like APers landmines that do a bit more damage. No idea why they detonate when regular bots step on them. AT mines require a specific weight to be set off
silver marten
Exactly
leaden thunder
Any pony still play the game? I’ve not been on in a while
abstract cape
I'm still playing, the game has been improving a lot
silver marten
The latest patches have been awesome
You can kill hulks and even armoured chargers with just the revolver now
I've also bought literally every item in the game now lol, every strategem, every item in every warbond, everything in the superstore and every ship upgrade
abstract cape
I am hyped for liberty day! If the leaks are anything to go by, we should be getting a bolt action rifle which is significant in the world's lore.
silver marten
Ooooooooooo
compact cipher
Isn't uh. The Eruptor bolt action?
abstract cape
It is, but it's more like a bolter
I'm talking like a futuristic springfield rifle. Apparently it's the rifle that every person gets when they come of age.
In HD1 it was called the, M2016 I think? Essentially a modernized version of the M1903.
silver marten
So it will probably be the m2024
leaden thunder
The latest patches have been awesome
You can kill hulks and even armoured charg...
They buffed the revolvers? I didn’t know it would be that much of a buff
silver marten
The 63 day patch was pretty epic
leaden thunder
It’s good that helldivers let’s you earn premium currency not a lot of games do that now.
silver marten
Indeed
abstract cape
I was initially skeptical of the last update considering how much they hard buffed the recoilless, but after the 63 day patch they buffed more of the other special weapons, so I have no complaints
silver marten
Autocannon is amazing now, especially vs bugs
abstract cape
It’s good that helldivers let’s you earn premium currency not a lot of games do ...
Also this reminds me
leaden thunder
If the mane 6 were involved I think Pinkie would use cannons.
abstract cape
HD1 veterans say they got the M2016 for free on Liberty day, so it should be a free weapon to get instead of having to buy a warbond to acquire
silver marten
It's a strategem weapon this time /s
abstract cape
fallen ridge
oooh interesting
ebon cipher
Wishing you all a Demoratic Liberty Day, divers.
Celebration gifts include:
- DP-00 Tactical Armor (Armor set styled after the Mk5 "Tactical" from HD1, which was the default armor set)
- R-2124 Constitution (Bolt-action rifle styled after the M1903; updated version of the M2016 Constitution from HD1)
- A Major Order that tells us to celebrate the holiday in any way that we elect (no objectives other than holding Super Earth when the event ends)
- At least 1 whole hour of time off for all Super Earth Citizens
- Copious amounts of freedom and democracy
https://fxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1849935216955261030
fallen ridge
woo Liberty Day
abstract cape
silver marten
There was just a ping in the helldivers discord asking all divers to do a mandatory salute for liberty day, and the rate of stickers being posted is insane lol
abstract cape
It really is. Liberty Day is going crazy over there! Happy Liberty Day pony divers.
fallen ridge
abstract cape
silver marten
silver marten
the new rifle is pretty good! its main downside is small magazine size and slow reload, that and iron sights only
i think it would drastically improve the weapon if it had a stripper clip when empty, like with the revolver, but alas
the armour is the same as the premium one, medium with 50% chance to not die. good to get that armour class for free tho
silver marten
silk pebble
abstract cape
I think the reload itself is very cool, but gosh does it suck to handle gameplay wise
It's so slow, especially if the animation is interrupted
At least its close range damage offsets its slow reloadability. I've been able to effortlessly headshot devastators thanks to its kick, and kill brood commanders with straight damage
The shotgun on the other hand? I've found it kinda eh. Again, love the aesthetic, there's not enough pump actions without a grip in this game, but it really doesn't set itself apart imo
I'm very excited to unlock the charging pistol.
silver marten
The shotgun on the other hand? I've found it kinda eh. Again, love the aesthetic...
i quite like the shotgun actually, its great vs berserkers and devastators
im not sure i'd use it vs bugs tho
its small mag capacity kinda sucks tho
and i dont think the stun ammo is worth using at all
i like the smg, but its not 1 handed. i think that was a poor choice.
abstract cape
I used it on bugs as the first choice myself, since it's not usually ideal to bring a shotgun to fight bots due to precision being king on the bot front. And it was just... eh. I could see use on the bot front for berserkers given the stun rounds, but otherwise it's just, kinda there. Could use a buff probably.
As for the SMG, I quite like it still, and as disappointing that it isn't a one-handed SMG, the kick on the thing makes sense as to why it isn't
It's more based around the UMP-45 or the Scorpion EVO than it is say, the MP5. Two handed SMG's.
silver marten
its more carbine than smg
abstract cape
In all fairness, it does have a heavier kick and pen than the actual carbine weapon. To me, it's exactly how a heavy SMG should be. Great at close range, okay at medium, useless at long.
I did notice it's not great at crowd control tho. It's more useful as a single target killer.
Which in thay point, I can see where it's more a "small rifle" than it is an SMG, since it doesn't do much crowd control like the other SMG's do
If they could keep the two-handed aesthetic but have it still be useful to pair with the shield, or carrying the intel, that'd be cool. But otherwise, it looks like it'd just break your wrist instantly if you even tried it.
silver marten
i wish they made the knight more like the p90 is based on, with higher armour pen ammo
abstract cape
I don't have the Knight myself, but I agree. It has that aesthetic and should be more similar to its based around design.
neon dirge
its more carbine than smg
Patrick gif what's the difference
abstract cape
In all fairness, you're really not all that far off. A carbine is typically made to do a similar distance role to an SMG, being cut shorter than their rifle counterparts to focus less on distance shooting
At least, traditionally they were... modern weapons are weird.
silver marten
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2765950/HELLDIVERS_2__TR117_Alpha_Commander_Armor_Set/ free helldivers armour set, tho i think its being added for free later anyway? im not sure
still, its free right now, so go get it
abstract cape
They put the master chief in the helldivers (again)
Interesting that this one is a DLC item
silver marten
pc gamers are getting it 7 days early apparently, then its free for everyone
silk pebble
They put the master chief in the helldivers (again)
Yeah, i was gonna say it looked like a spartan
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fallen ridge
It's live, and the illuminate are wild
leaden thunder
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silver marten
Can't believe this happened while I was asleep
I'm busy today too... :(
Free most of the weekend tho
silver marten
flame turret, emplaced AT turret, directional force field
armed supply pods booster lol, fucking wild
and the new armour! increases your primary weapon reload speed by 30% and your primary ammo capacity by 20%
topaz pawn
I would need that flamethrower turret thanku
silver marten
perfect example of the new directional shield in use
looks like its similar to the ballistic shield but much wider
abstract cape
Oh yeah, the D-Shield was from the first game, I liked it
silver marten
It's nice to see it, especially in an urban environment
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jagged crypt
Helghast!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
leaden thunder
jagged crypt
That armor perk sounds really nice tbh
silver marten
it does actually
silver marten
ok so thats interesting
im pretty sure the new armour is bugged, in a good way
its increasing the spare ammo capacity of all weapons, sidearms and support, when its supposed to only do the primary. reload only affects primary tho. the horror.
however, when someone else without the armour picks up the weapon, the extra ammo disappears completely
gas grenades pop bug holes! thats awesome! i suspected they did with the patch to them, but i wanted to confirm it, and they do!
jagged crypt
Gas grenades destroy bug holes YEEEES
rain garden
topaz pawn
they did increase the demolition damage of gas grenades from 10 to 30
hence its random ability to suddenly destroy bugholes
part of the patch notes i read at leeast
compact cipher
It sadly can't get into the door far enough to blow up Illuminate ships
fallen ridge
oh? even when you take down the shield?
silver marten
i have no idea what you're talking about. i was regularly killing illuminate ships with gas nades last night.
maybe the sheild was still up
i think they can bounce back tho, you must have gotten unlucky
abstract cape
The ship doors are a little buggy, and sometimes the grenades won't detonate the ships after going off inside
I've noticed this while using the frag grenades, so I've switched to HE Grenades since they do more damage. But even then, sometimes they just wont explode after tossing like 2 or 3 in there.
I know they're typically only supposed to take one, as I have blown up a couple while only using one HE nade each, a few times
abstract cape
Nah, they're 100% going in. Though I will have to experiment with impacts.
topaz pawn
my friend has been using explosive crossbow
very reliable
the doors are slightly bugged potentially and the grenades will bounce back out if theyre thrown too high into the hole
compact cipher
my friend has been using explosive crossbow
I main the exploding crossbow
jagged crypt
The Heavy Machine Gun got buffed some time ago and its been my main gun ever since. Love its newfound power.
silver marten
The illuminate are back!
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leaden thunder
Then pinkie pie appears and cupcakes!
silver marten
the stuff looks really cool!
and very expensive!
thats nearly 2000 super credits for everything
ill pass
leaden thunder
Yeah I’ve seen a lot of people talking about the price
silver marten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793681667054370816/1318929588398850151/image.png?ex=67641c66&is=6762cae6&hm=e4ed231a1fa00541b2a7f32166e75f2ce8c86bbd7bf50e7d778cc36e6ed54237& the new armour has a unique effect
silver marten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/793681667054370816/1318930355801296928/5ak3esl0kl7e1.jpeg?ex=67641d1d&is=6762cb9d&hm=ff2e6d0716f7a10ccec5b5524908fefbe52b12bffe29a1836dfe57a580e1c657& important note about the new stuff
the games not free to design and develop new stuff, i get the commnity complaints, but... he's got a point
these guys are hardly the greediest devs out there
i dont like it still. but... dont get irrationally angery over it
silk pebble
https://x.com/playstationuk/status/1869341334592508075?
I knew that armor reminded me of killzone
leaden thunder
It’s a shame they won’t make anymore
silver marten
maybe we will get some remasters
...like i actually care, i havent played a playstation game since the ps2
silver marten
i broke down and bought the new stuff lol
the StA (new rifle) is... interesting. its got a high mag, but a fast RoF so actual firing time between reloads isnt far from the liberator
but the reload is slow, its literally a belt fed assault rifle
and it also only has 6 spare mags, not the 8 of liberators
it also lacks the scope of liberators
its... hard to say if its better or worse. different, certainly, i like the fact its a belt-fed assault rifle, but... it feels like it should have a slower rof maybe? or variable rof
abstract cape
This also seems to be the second iteration of this rifle. I personally feel the price for it is ourageously expensive. Buuut, if we had the first iteration; which had an underslung shotgun attachment, I'd be a little more open to negotiate
I think this is the... KZ2 rifle?
abstract cape
I mean, they already have programmable weapons
abstract cape
Eeyup. Not to mention the different ammos for the launchers and autocannon.
silver marten
its not quite the same mind
programmable ammo is changing the current round from A to B
the Halt is closer to what you're thinking of, with two different ammo pools
but they're also the same ammunition
an underslung shotgun is a different type of ammo
im not sure how they'd program that
abstract cape
I moreso mean it like, with programmable ammo in general, you don't really have to change much about the weapon. Like, you don't have to reload any of the weapons to get them to act differently. You just switch a button and it does that.
I imagine the difficult part would be to change the animations for weapons like that tho, without causing one of the many bugs in the collection
Since most the weapons are modeled and animated very intricately
I want an underslung grenade launcher at some point. Those are cool
abstract cape
I'm sure they can do it tho. It'll just take time.
And a theme to drop it in probably
silver marten
we will eventually get one, possibly
abstract cape
Is the underslung GL famous enough for it to have a specific theme tied to it? Or would you think it would be in like, in a similar vein to democratic detonation?
Grenadier nameplate might be an obvious pick
The M203 and GP-23 are commonly thought of weapons, which usually go on the M4/M16/AR platform, and the AK family respectably
silver marten
they're giving the other half of the killzone stuff away for free???
what the fuck
i was talking with somoene about this in another server
arrowhead have a very bad habit of fucking up, but a very good habit of doing a shockingly good job of fixing things
leaden thunder
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leaden thunder
Official response https://x.com/helldivers2/status/1869767486398156857?
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abstract cape
i was talking with somoene about this in another server
arrowhead have a very ba...
The chart
silk pebble
I bought the killzone armor. Cant buy the helmet tho
silk pebble
i had 500 super credits on hand, and i wanted the armor perk
silver marten
yeah
silk pebble
i do also like the look of the armor tho
silver marten
still good you got it tho, thats medium armour
silk pebble
yeah
silver marten
and yeah, unronically looks great
and fits quite well into the HD universe
the gun doesnt, but its not egregious
leaden thunder
silver marten
abstract cape
YESSS
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misty pelican
Just thought y'all might appreciate this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umWKrq8YliY
misty pelican
Partly animated too by Harry101UK
misty pelican
JT Music makes some really good songs
misty pelican
I've been enjoying JT Music, Dan Bull, Stupendium, and many other Nerdcore artists for a long time. It's the only form of rap I actually enjoy to the fullest.
abstract cape
Agreed!
misty pelican
"You haven't really lived until you've died for Super Earth!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UPI5Eqg81k
errant rock
Did you know that if you salute the Super Earth flag during flag raising missions, it actually raises faster? More Helldivers, make it even go faster, tested with 2 divers, and it was 10 seconds less (1.20 total), so every diver probably cuts down 10 seconds. So 4 divers saluting will make it raise 40 seconds faster. (1 minute total if 4 divers saluting)
fallen ridge
oooh that's good to know
compact cipher
It doesn't scale linearly
errant rock
100 helldivers saluting the flag to raise it in one picosecond
vocal ore
fallen ridge
oh nice
also! my friend picked up the game
and another friend got it as a gift
I'm going to be playing with them in 12 hours!
It's gonna be hectic, and hopefully fun
I will instruct them as any good Fire Safety Officer would do
Namely to Fire Safely at anythingi and everything