Infinite Craft

[lavish quest]

Opps

[white jolt]

how do you get dark mode

[red pawn]

Student + Fish -> Nerd

it's going to be difficult to improve this without finding an alternate formulation for math

it definitely has to exist

[compact wharf]

Hell + Nightmare Moon gets you Tirek

[red pawn]

found it

study + pie -> math

to think it was that obvious

[lavish quest]

It's an extension called Dark Reader

[red pawn]

Equestria Girls + Woodcutter -> Rarity

what

[woven wyvern]

TIL what Adobe actually means

[white jolt]

guess you can make shows other than mlp too hehehe

[primal mirage]

You can make anything the AI can think of

[visual violet]

i made gravity falls

HOLY SHIT HYBRID SHOW

the crossover we need

[wild hamlet]

woo

[visual violet]

"that just sounds like a pegasus with extra steps!"

[red pawn]

wonder if there's a fast way to derive library from twilight sparkle

[white jolt]

twilight + ponyville i think

[red pawn]

ponyville isn't that easy to get

[white jolt]

pony + town

[red pawn]

Water + Tree -> River
Tree + River -> Paper
Plant + Paper -> Book
Earth + Book -> Library
Human + Library -> Student

basically looking to shorten this

my actual target is student

maybe it's possible to get student from twilight sparkle directly

hard tohugh

[woven wyvern]

Can you remind us what words do you already have?

[lavish quest]

I did Orphan and Pinkie Pie and it gave me Cutie Mark Crusader... I am quite confused and concerned

And Nightmare Rarity + Library gave me 1

I guess she's good at math

Woah, really?

I added another three and it went back to 1 Cutie Mark Crusader

Another 3 make 4

And another 3 is just twelve

I am the inventor of 129 and 137

[primal mirage]

129 (or 707) is separate from 129

[lavish quest]

it is?

[primal mirage]

Yes!

Each item with a distinct name is unique. They are case sensitive too.

[white jolt]

ponyville + octopus = octavia

[primal mirage]

Oct

[white jolt]

this should be real

[visual violet]

isn't it already that

[lavish quest]

Didn't G3 have one?

[woven wyvern]

Just took a look at the code, you can improve performance dramatically (especially memory footprint) if you implemented some repetition checking code for the same set of items before putting items in the queue. This isn't particularly noticeable for short runtimes though - the last item on your list, Shard, was #350 / #396 in my modified code, so it's likely overshadowed by the rate limiting of the website.
Processing the first 486 recipes: (All recipes of distance 5)
Memory Usage: 531 --> 9.9 MiB
Time: 1.89 --> 0.27 seconds
Processing the first 1000 recipes: (Note: There are 1114 recipes of depth 6, 2682 of depth 7)
Memory Usage: 8623.3 --> 52.5 MiB
Time: 103 --> 1.75 seconds
I also implemented caching to disk and some other misc stuff. Also note that tracemalloc has quite a bit of overhead, so the time/memory are separate runs.

[woven wyvern]

https://github.com/StarGazingHomies/Infinite-Craft

Hopefully I can get around to doing some A* or other heuristic-based searches with word vectorization, so that no manual input is required to find a reasonable route to specific items

[wild hamlet]

I got Pickle Rick!!

Also this

[primal mirage]

Pickle twilight sparkle

[wild hamlet]

Finally....I got My Little Pony

[wild hamlet]

That becomes pickle pony

Oh but adding another twilight gives me Pickle Twilight Sparkle!!

[primal mirage]

Nice

[wild hamlet]

Picklejack

Pickle plus dill doesn't work but picklejack plus pickle = dill pickle.....what

[woven wyvern]

Cheap human formulation (Did not notice this before, fake ping: @red pawn)

[wild hamlet]

......money + bat = prostitute.....

And that plus sand is sandwhich

this bot man...

[white jolt]

this comes towards you what do you do

[primal mirage]

The game can generate a lot of inappropriate words. Please do not share any of them here.

[white jolt]

damn

[white jolt]

it's twalaht sparkul's ballewn

[white jolt]

omg i made @snow fractal

[red pawn]

Wind + Earth -> Dust
Wind + Dust -> Sandstorm
Earth + Dust -> Planet
Sandstorm + Planet -> Mars
Earth + Mars -> Life
Life + Earth -> Human
Water + Earth -> Plant
Earth + Plant -> Tree
Water + Tree -> River
Tree + River -> Paper
Plant + Paper -> Book
Earth + Book -> Library
Human + Library -> Student
Earth + Human -> Farmer
Plant + Farmer -> Food
Tree + Food -> Fruit
Water + Fire -> Steam
Steam + Fruit -> Pie
Student + Pie -> Math
Math + Tree -> Geometry
Geometry + Math -> Geometry Dash

turns out you don't need rainbow dash

h

I really feel like there's something to be had with the recipes for human and book

like surely there's an alternate route for one that shares elements with the other

[sage goblet]

yeah, it's pretty easy to get with Geometry

but getting it with Rainbow Dash is really funny so thanks for doing it

[red pawn]

well while doing it I found an absolutely insane and horrible way to get rainbow dash

[sage goblet]

cloud + racecar surelyyy

[red pawn]

it's nsfw

[sage goblet]

ah

[red pawn]

it almost looked like it was going to be faster for a second too

thankfully it wasn't

[sage goblet]

looking at these result from your bot I realize how much I have slept on Dust and Wave
never made em

[red pawn]

I think I did this right

python's existing PriorityQueue is kind of weird tbh

cause it seems more like a primitive for threaded code

[red pawn]

Stone + Hypothesis -> Philosopher

huh

[red pawn]

Math
Newton + Feminist -> Equality
Theory + Equality -> Equation
Theory + Equation -> Math

oh shit, alternate math formulation

[red pawn]

I'm struggling to find a hitler-free femboy derivation

Feminist + Hitler -> Femitler
Femitler + Tomboy -> Femboy

I think what I need is a simple template word where the AI thinks the best combination is simply to combine the words literally

instead of semantically

[primal mirage]

Oh no

[gentle wigeon]

ayo bro what's that

[red pawn]

hitler-based femboy derivation

[sage goblet]

optimal route aint enough I want an ethical route

[red pawn]

it is ethical

we're overwriting hitler with the woke agenda

I conjecture that good template words are semantically disjoint but have literal combinations that feel like words

so it needs to be decently unrelated to feminism or tomboys but should sound like a word when put together

[hearty stratus]

Okay, enough with the Hitler jokes, please.

[red pawn]

to be clear this isn't a combination I intentionally wanted to work

it's simply the only one I've found that actually manages to combine the words

[sage goblet]

just use Feminist plus some noun like Dinosaur or Godzilla where -saur and -zilla are often combined with things and you'll probably get a word that's half Fem

can try the same thing with any word beginning with Fem if that doesn't work

[red pawn]

Feminist + Dinosaur -> T-Rex

[sage goblet]

maybe dinosaur is too vague

[red pawn]

I think the problem is that feminism is a lot more abstract than most elements

[sage goblet]

both are vague

what would Feminist + Godzilla be though

[red pawn]

good question

I don't have godzilla

[sage goblet]

that's more likely to be what you want

but honestly not much better than the last attempt in that you are creating something a 4channer would say

I would love to give you more examples of words that get turned into suffixes but I can't think of any more atm. I haven't played with the "late game" (if you can call it that) very much, where you're combining things and getting Epic BronyCon Minecraft Server

[red pawn]

I got Transgender from this route which has a tendency to turn everything trans

Transgender + Sword -> Transblade

[sage goblet]

that's cool

[red pawn]

Transgender + Knight -> Transknight

though I don't think I can use it when combined with feminism because it just turns into transfeminism

[sage goblet]

yeah

trans is a prefix in this case, and it's too close to feminism to not have a common-sense real result

[red pawn]

I also found out that you can get Me through certain interesting combinations

Transfeminine + Rainbow Dash -> Me

Geometry Dash + Depression -> Me

[sage goblet]

yeah lol

on reddit I saw awkwardsexual + awkwardsexual = me

[red pawn]

Sweden + Tornado -> undefined

for some reason

[sage goblet]

lol

[red pawn]

that feels like a bug

Programmer + undefined -> Error so there's that

[sage goblet]

mm this bot sure can be misogynistic

[red pawn]

yep

I also get the feeling that combinations are sometimes subtractive and not additive

Worker + Freedom -> Slave is definitely not an intuitive combination

[sage goblet]

I got Boy

you need to get Gender
then Gender + Fire = Gender Reveal Party
Gender Reveal Party + Baby = Boy
(Boy + Gender Reveal Party = Girl)

[sage goblet]

apparently Spider-Man can make a lot of things like this with hyphens in between

[red pawn]

Hacktivist + Feminist -> Fembot

that's like, within typo distance

I wonder if you can combine words with typo to get similar words

[sage goblet]

fembot is a 4channer word too though

I think

nvm it's just used on 4chan not specific to it

[red pawn]

didn't know what it was until I looked it up

[sage goblet]

I thought it was a derogatory way of referring to female users because that's how 4channers use it

[red pawn]

what's up with Finlandorway and Chinagermany

[sage goblet]

:sadge:

I made the term ||trap|| which is considered transphobic to many trans people

[red pawn]

yep

that happens

[sage goblet]

so frustrating

[red pawn]

Transgender + Fembot -> Transbot
Transbot + Fembot -> Transfembot
Transfembot + Tomboy -> Transfemboy

well that's something

that's definitely something

[sage goblet]

lol

oops

I muscle memory'd my way into resetting my game

I tend to reset often but I only meant to clear the screen. I had all my stuff from yesterday's geometry time lol

[red pawn]

h

[sage goblet]

I'll leave it at that, gl getting a good route to Femboy! I was trying through what I wanted to work, catboy + flower and things of that nature

but you have the better approach

[red pawn]

idk how doable it is from here tbh

[sage goblet]

I think Fembot is on the right tracks

you'll get it

if not then lmk anything useful you found and I'll try some more later

[red pawn]

do you think I'll get it if I add opaque

$ python combine.py "Transparent Femboy" "Opaque"
Translucent Femboy

[woven wyvern]

Was planning on making the loading phase threaded / add priority later so that's why I chose it. Also there doesn't seem to be a priority queue that's not for threaded code, and didn't want to make my own

[red pawn]

there isn't, but python has some binary heap APIs

[sage goblet]

moon + meme = moonman?

this thing sourcing from knowyourmeme or smth?

[woven wyvern]

Here's the optimal route results from tonight's overnight run

[primal mirage]

It's just LLaMa2

It's trained on a large part of the public internet

[gentle wigeon]

Hurricane and America just made trump and oh my lord the emoji representing him is literal shit

Swamp and america makes trump again

[primal mirage]

Lots of things do. Don't talk about it

[gentle wigeon]

Lets goooo I got lincoln

And I found a penny!

[lapis marlin]

maybe stop mentioning you can make political figures?
this isnt directed at anyone specific but everyone as a group

[gentle wigeon]

ok

Aaand the penny caused a time paradox

[woven wyvern]

Undefined is a real thing

5789: undefined
Water + Fire -> Steam
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Fire + Mud -> Brick
Mud + Brick -> Adobe
Steam + Brick -> Steam Engine
Water + Steam Engine -> Steamboat
Adobe + Steamboat -> Adobe Flash
Wind + Adobe Flash -> undefined

[red pawn]

Sweden + Tornado -> undefined

as well

you can use it to get error, then debug, then debugger

[hearty stratus]

I'm just going to make this official:

Rule 2 still applies to this channel / discussion. Please do not bring up modern political figures or historically controversial figures, even if it shows up in your gameplay.

[red pawn]

Feminist + Mac -> Femac
Tomboy + Femac -> Femboy

bingo

programming rocks sometimes

I kinda don't understand the logic behind that combination tbh

Tomboy + Irony -> Tomirony

[primal mirage]

There's a guy called TomIrony

The AI probably thought it would be a good fit name wise

[red pawn]

down to 26 steps from 34

instead of

Earth + Man -> Farmer
Woman + Farmer -> Child

you can do

Mother + Mother -> Father
Father + Mother -> Child

but this unfortunately doesn't save anything

[red pawn]

might need a new target word

[primal mirage]

Schadenfreude

[red pawn]

seems too hard and also not that cool

and like, I don't really know anything about it

h

[primal mirage]

It is super cool how dare you

It's the concept of deriving pleasure from seeing the misfortune of others.

[sage goblet]

no way.............

I made femac

how did I forget to combine it with tomboy

I got perfect luck but brain was not firing

[red pawn]

there are very few words that make this possible

[sage goblet]

exactly

who combines mac with feminist

I chose it randomly out of whatever was on that particular part of the sidebar

[red pawn]

by very few I mean out of like most of the words I've found so far only 3 allow it

you basically force luck when you brute force with a script

lol

[sage goblet]

yeah

[red pawn]

I love my puter

[sage goblet]

the script is cool but it's more of a game without it

[sage goblet]

do you get the First Discovery jingle for Femac?

[red pawn]

I don't get first discovery for anything because the bot finds it first

[sage goblet]

but I got the jingle for Femac just now

even though I already made it before

and I got the jingle then too

[red pawn]

I mean you reset didn't you

[sage goblet]

yeah

[red pawn]

there's a jingle every time you make a new element regardless of whether it's the first discovery

[sage goblet]

oh no I mean the actual First Discovery thing

it says First Discovery under Femac

[red pawn]

weird

maybe resetting doesn't reset first discoveries

[sage goblet]

I could try and test this

[red pawn]

well all of the data is just in localStorage

nope, resetting really does delete everything

so idk

[sage goblet]

my localStorage data says Femac is first discovered

or, discovered = true

it comes back even though I reset

somehow it knows

[primal mirage]

Probably stores them remotely

[red pawn]

there's no account system so it can't really do that

[primal mirage]

It can just fingerprint you

[red pawn]

it could

but it wouldn't be a great system

[sage goblet]

it's probably just a different part of local storage than the simple list of elements you have at the moment

[red pawn]

localStorage.length goes from 1 to 0

there's definitely nothing left in localStorage

[sage goblet]

Yandere Simulator + Femboy = Yandere Dev

it's like playing user-made combinations again

[red pawn]

you could probably get it from programmer

but also how do you get yandere simulator

[sage goblet]

uhhhh

[red pawn]

well I have baby simulator

[sage goblet]

demon + yuri

[red pawn]

baby simulator + yandere -> yandere simulator

yep

real

School
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Water + Ocean -> Fish
Wind + Fish -> Flying Fish
Earth + Flying Fish -> Bird
Bird + Bird -> Flock
Fish + Flock -> School

optimal school recipe

[sage goblet]

good route

[red pawn]

totally different from what I thought it would be

[sage goblet]

I am trying to get Friday

[red pawn]

Herd
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Water + Ocean -> Fish
Wind + Fish -> Flying Fish
Earth + Flying Fish -> Bird
Bird + Bird -> Flock
Earth + Flock -> Herd

also this

wonder if it could be used for mlp

[sage goblet]

I can get Day from Twilight from Vampire from Emo from Rebellious Teenager

and I have six somehow

Lesbian + the wumbo = six

[sage goblet]

not sure

depends whether you can associate herds with horses

[red pawn]

unicorn is somewhat fast

[sage goblet]

I think one idea to get to horse faster would be through racing if you can get to that from racecar

how do you get lincoln again

I need him for penny

actually how do you get america

[red pawn]

America
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Earth + Ocean -> Island
Earth + Island -> Continent
Lake + Continent -> America

[red pawn]

Day
Water + Water -> Lake
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Earth + Dust -> Planet
Fire + Planet -> Sun
Lake + Sun -> Sunset
Water + Sunset -> Sunrise
Earth + Sunrise -> Day

[sage goblet]

yah but why not make twilight while I'm at it

it's like rainbow dash -> geometry dash

[red pawn]

fair enough

[sage goblet]

you get points for style

[red pawn]

you get style from fashion

somehow the Statue of Liberty recipe doesn't involve america at all

[sage goblet]

well where did it come from
I meant the statue of liberty

[red pawn]

Lighthouse + Boulder -> Statue of Liberty

which also lets you get new york without america

[sage goblet]

the price USA pays with being the default option in english language

finally I have Half

guess what Three + Half makes

[red pawn]

1.5?

[sage goblet]

Two

guess what Two + Half makes

[red pawn]

2.5?

either that or it makes 3

[sage goblet]

Three

not sure how to get One

but anyways I got Seven + Day = Week

Week + Day = Month

Month + Day = Calendar

Calendar + Week = Sunday

and Day + Four = Thursday

no luck on the rest yet

[red pawn]

does adding time work

[sage goblet]

oh it may

Sunday + Sunday = Weekend

Thursday + Weekend = Friday

let's try time tho

Sunday + Time = Weekend

Weekend + Time = Vacation

Thursday + Time = Thyme lol

[red pawn]

why is mountain dew so easy to make

[sage goblet]

it is named using two words that are easy to create in an element making game

[red pawn]

Mountain Dew Ocean Blast

[primal mirage]

An LLM is a trope machine

It loves memes

[red pawn]

Mad Hatter + Mad Hatter -> Madder Hatter

[primal mirage]

Maddest Hattest

[red pawn]

Sleep
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Earth -> Plant
Steam + Plant -> Tea
Wind + Tea -> Kite
Fire + Kite -> Fireworks
Kite + Fireworks -> Firefly
Tea + Firefly -> Sleep

[red pawn]

I managed to get alexander the greatest

[sage goblet]

used Time and Twelve to get Clock, the Clock and Twelve to get Midnight, then Midnight and Three to get Witching Hour

was hoping for 3AM but it does mean the same thing

[red pawn]

pretty sure the number you can get the fastest is 420

[sage goblet]

yeah

[red pawn]

Steam Workshop
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Steam -> Cloud
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Fire + Mud -> Brick
Mud + Brick -> Adobe
Cloud + Adobe -> Photoshop
Steam + Photoshop -> Steam Workshop

[sage goblet]

NO WAY

this is an incredible first discovery

[red pawn]

post

[sage goblet]

lmao

[red pawn]

LOL

[sage goblet]

it's from Femboy + Week

[red pawn]

no one else went for it huh

[sage goblet]

and probably Femboy + Hooters

ok I am very happy with that

time to find a good route to it

[red pawn]

week is pretty open ended

I wonder if you could use religion for it

[sage goblet]

I'll try and figure out how to get Hooters

because I got it before it was just restaurant and something r2 I can't remember

but otherwise week is good

the way I got week was super painful though lol

and still requires making r2 just to get six

[red pawn]

week seems easier honestly

[sage goblet]

it's not optimal but it is funny

so I might do it through week

[red pawn]

Pigcasso
Water + Fire -> Steam
Fire + Steam -> Engine
Wind + Engine -> Windmill
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Windmill + Mud -> Pig
Wind + Pig -> Flying Pig
Water + Flying Pig -> Pigcasso

it's easier to get to pigcasso than picasso

[sage goblet]

beautiful

[red pawn]

Water + Water -> Lake
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Earth + Dust -> Planet
Fire + Planet -> Sun
Lake + Sun -> Sunset
Water + Sunset -> Sunrise
Earth + Sunrise -> Day
Day + Day -> Night
Day + Night -> Time
Time + Day -> Week

huh

femboy + year gets you 2020

Water + Wind -> Wave
Earth + Wave -> Sand
Fire + Sand -> Glass
Sand + Glass -> Hourglass
Fire + Hourglass -> Time
Fire + Wind -> Smoke
Fire + Time -> Sun
Smoke + Sun -> Eclipse
Time + Eclipse -> Day
Time + Day -> Week

same length

[sage goblet]

sweet

[lavish quest]

Gold + Discord -> Bitcoin

Ok, finally I invented some numbers

[sage goblet]

femboy + month... omg...

it's already here

[red pawn]

real

[white jolt]

cutie mark crusaders + song

not a song that they sing but it is in fact a song

[woven wyvern]

Program's finished all words 8 crafts away, and starting on 9 Here's a fun one:

Frosted Flakes
Earth + Earth -> Mountain
Wind + Mountain -> Avalanche
Water + Earth -> Plant
Avalanche + Plant -> Snowman
Mountain + Snowman -> Yeti
Water + Yeti -> Abominable Snowman
Fire + Abominable Snowman -> Toast
Plant + Toast -> Cereal
Abominable Snowman + Cereal -> Frosted Flakes

[median axle]

Hey they were there during the song

[woven wyvern]

8-step Rainbow Dash, didn't even notice when it appeared lol

Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Steam -> Cloud
Fire + Steam -> Engine
Cloud + Engine -> Jet
Jet + Jet -> Jetpack
Jet + Jetpack -> Pilot
Cloud + Jet -> Rainbow
Pilot + Rainbow -> Rainbow Dash
``` Rainbow Dash + Engine -> My Little Pony for 9-step MLP

This is a most optimal route for My Little Pony since there's none 8 steps or below... i think. Forgot console logs don't go back forever, 1sec...

[twin scarab]

[white jolt]

2.0????

hey look i got it too

[void fern]

That is just @minor trellis

[cinder siren]

[void fern]

[cinder siren]

[red pawn]

Water + Fire -> Steam
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Fire + Mud -> Brick
Fire + Brick -> Kiln
Kiln + Kiln -> Furnace
Fire + Furnace -> Metal
Mud + Metal -> Coin
Water + Metal -> Steel
Water + Steel -> Rust
Coin + Rust -> Penny

Fire + Lottery -> Win

wonder what that could be used for

I should keep track of all the abstract concepts

[sage goblet]

thanks!

you already saved me from needing penny from the alternate route to Week

that's a good way to get Metal too, dang

I've been slacking on my earlygame

this game reminds me of chess

[red pawn]

tool assistance moment

[sage goblet]

you can memorize every possible initial move and its result for the earlygame, and you can learn how to effectively combine suffixes and adjectives to force a win in endgame

the midgame is where it all goes down, that's the most fun

[red pawn]

something I haven't tried yet is using NNs to guide search

probably because that's complicated

lol

[cerulean berry]

infinite craft chat

[red pawn]

the x + y -> z sucks a little because + can show up in the elements

[primal mirage]

Sounds like it would probably be slower than trying a lot of things fast

[red pawn]

what would be slower?

[cerulean berry]

how would that work

[atomic kelp]

Hey has anyone made Infinite Craft yet?

[primal mirage]

Calling a non-specialized text transformer in an automated manner

[cerulean berry]

im making like a naive bot that just takes two random items and combines

[red pawn]

I think it's difficult to be slower than unguided search

[cerulean berry]

planning to add weighted rng that adds more emphasis on items that have combined a lot

[red pawn]

stargazing has the most progress on unguided searches here and they only have 8 step recipes exhaustively done

the recipe I found for femboy uses 26 steps

[cerulean berry]

somehow running this for 8 hours didnt make a single first discovery

[sage goblet]

you could put the element in quotations when it contains a plus

[red pawn]

can quotations show up?

[sage goblet]

probably

but if you want to take it that far then anything could show up

if I get the element \"earth + water"" {}]2 \(sic)

that's on me to figure out how to convey putting that in words lol

[red pawn]

well it could be escaped and stuff

[cerulean berry]

if emojis cant show up in the text, you could use ➕ /hj

[primal mirage]

I guess I have a dim view of the creativity of LLMs, especially small ones. Perhaps a good prompt can be fast if you design it just so

[red pawn]

but the game is based on an LLM

[primal mirage]

Yes, indeed

[red pawn]

and anyway I was thinking of text embeddings

no prompts

[sage goblet]

Tomboy + The End = Tomgirl

[primal mirage]

Oh yeah, that would work

[gritty cedar]

FIRST EVER TO DISCOVER THIS

Pokemon Center + Pokemon Storm

Pokemon Storm = Pokemon + Hurricane

[gritty cedar]

Just discovered this

Discovered this one before Brexit Legendary

Currently my First Discovery list

There it goes another one

And Another one

This one discovered earlier

[atomic kelp]

Suffice to say there are a lot of undiscovered.

[primal mirage]

There are infinite undiscovered things

[red pawn]

Water + Earth -> Plant
Wind + Plant -> Dandelion
Earth + Plant -> Tree
Dandelion + Tree -> Wish
Tree + Wish -> Money
Water + Money -> Vodka
Money + Vodka -> Russian
Tree + Russian -> Yew
Russian + Yew -> Yuri

huh

possible fast gay route?

[red pawn]

Yaoi + Flame -> Fire Emblem

Yaoi + Water -> Sailor Moon

Earth + Yuri -> Dirt
Earth + Dirt -> Soil
Yaoi + Soil -> Gay

okay epic

Water + Earth -> Plant
Wind + Plant -> Dandelion
Earth + Plant -> Tree
Dandelion + Tree -> Wish
Tree + Wish -> Money
Water + Money -> Vodka
Money + Vodka -> Russian
Tree + Russian -> Yew
Russian + Yew -> Yuri
Water + Yew -> Bow
Water + Bow -> Arrow
Yuri + Arrow -> Cupid
Cupid + Yuri -> Yaoi
Earth + Yuri -> Dirt
Earth + Dirt -> Soil
Yaoi + Soil -> Gay

[primal mirage]

Does the AI know what sailor moon is?

It's like anti yaoi

[red pawn]

yuri + water simply produces tears

you can get to sailor mercury, sailor mars, etc. from sailor moon

Yaoi + Fire Emblem -> Fanfiction

there's one way to get it

[void fern]

🥪

[red pawn]

top 10 analog hors lies

Anime
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Water + Ocean -> Fish
Fire + Fish -> Sushi
Earth + Ocean -> Island
Sushi + Island -> Japan
Steam + Japan -> Anime

[gritty cedar]

Uh......What the heck did i just create

[sage goblet]

this is the route I found a few days ago

very awesome

[woven wyvern]

Yee, ran it overnight again and probably only halfway done the 9-step ones (~9000 recipes so far)
Anything beyond 9-step (or 10-step) needs another improvement to the algorithm since it eats up memory exponentially, sitting at ~10GiB rn.

[red pawn]

do you store more than one optimal recipe?

[woven wyvern]

Nah

[red pawn]

h

I modified my script to do that since that's useful for manual routing

messier than I'd like

really I should be saving all the recipes that are one step from being optimal as well

or should I

idk

[woven wyvern]

You can try it, dk what the impact is on the final recipes yet. It's also going to be a lot of recipes, maybe too much to manually go through?

[sage goblet]

if I knew what I was doing I would love to make an addon that logs your combination history and lets you search it in a collapsible sidebar
and if you clicked on an element you'd be able to see all your discovered recipes to and from it

[red pawn]

Mistake
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Wind -> Wave
Water + Wave -> Tsunami
Wind + Tsunami -> Hurricane
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Steam + Hurricane -> Steamboat
Mud + Steamboat -> Mississippi
Tsunami + Mississippi -> Mistake

[sage goblet]

Mark Twain is one step away from a mistake

[red pawn]

Semi
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Earth -> Plant
Fire + Steam -> Engine
Wind + Plant -> Dandelion
Wind + Dandelion -> Seed
Plant + Engine -> Car
Car + Car -> Truck
Seed + Truck -> Semi

can this be used to make half?

[sage goblet]

you can use Penny to make Half btw

[woven wyvern]

Penny + what?

Penny
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Fire + Dust -> Ash
Water + Earth -> Plant
Ash + Ash -> Stone
Ash + Stone -> Statue
Ash + Plant -> Tobacco
Statue + Tobacco -> Cigar
Statue + Cigar -> Lincoln
Dust + Lincoln -> Penny

Edit: Penny * 2 -> Dime * 2 -> Quarter * 2 -> Half

[red pawn]

oh, from quarter

lol

Penny + Penny -> Dime
Dime + Dime -> Quarter
Quarter + Quarter -> Half

crazy that you don't need coin to get penny

Mods
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Steam -> Cloud
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Fire + Mud -> Brick
Mud + Brick -> Adobe
Cloud + Adobe -> Photoshop
Steam + Photoshop -> Steam Workshop
Adobe + Steam Workshop -> Mods

[neat thorn]

Surfer + swamp = crocodile

[visual violet]

how did you get this 😭

[hollow night]

idk how to find the formula i used

[red pawn]

it doesn't keep track of that

[hollow night]

i just used 4chan + twilight meme to = brony thougj

sad

[red pawn]

you can guess based on what elements show up before it in the list

[hollow night]

ah

it was oedipus + something

[red pawn]

Complex
Water + Water -> Lake
Oedipus + Lake -> Mother
Oedipus + Mother -> Complex

huh

[hollow night]

im pleased to announce Anarchist + Princess Cadance = Discord

[red pawn]

Oedipus Complex
Water + Oedipus -> Oedipus Rex
Water + Oedipus Rex -> Oedipus Wrecks
Oedipus Rex + Oedipus Wrecks -> Oedipus Complex

though that can't be what you did because there's no Oedipus Rex

Mommy
Water + Oedipus -> Oedipus Rex
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Oedipus + Dust -> Mummy
Oedipus Rex + Mummy -> Mommy

Comedy
Water + Oedipus -> Oedipus Rex
Oedipus + Oedipus Rex -> Sophocles
Water + Sophocles -> Tragedy
Tragedy + Tragedy -> Comedy

[woven wyvern]

Comedy
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Fire + Dust -> Ash
Dust + Ash -> Cinder
Water + Cinder -> Glass
Wind + Glass -> Window
Wind + Window -> Curtain
Earth + Window -> House
Curtain + House -> Theater
Ash + Theater -> Comedy

[sage goblet]

I got comedy today

lmk if there's anything useful to do with it

[red pawn]

I don't have enough memory to keep running this script I think

I could spill the queue to disk

[woven wyvern]

I'll keep running mine (on a 128GiB ram system) and keep posting the results while trying to figure out a way to reduce memory usage.

Due to requests rate limiting there's about 2-3 days until I run out.

[gritty cedar]

Did someone craft Twilight Sparkle?

[visual violet]

yeah

[hollow night]

yeah

[gritty cedar]

Wow that was quick 💀

And does anyone know how to craft her?

[red pawn]

there's a recipe for mlp somewhere above

[hollow night]

yea

[red pawn]

just mess around with it until you get it

[hollow night]

i did twilight + brony

i dont remember how i got either of those tho lol

[gritty cedar]

Got her 🎉

[red pawn]

wonder if an optimal twilight sparkle recipe is in reach

we have an optimal my little pony recipe

[gritty cedar]

I just got it by: Princess Celestia + Alicorn

wait how this makes sense

My Little Pony + Star Wars = Brony

???

Okay i got Princess Leia by

Twilight Sparkle + Star Wars

But whatever you do not fuse Princess Leia with Star Wars again

Got Princess Luna

Princess Celestia + Prime Minister

[gritty cedar]

Ayo?!

What the heck did i just do

I just got it by:

My Little Pony + A New Hope

[hollow night]

new york + cocaine = wall street

so true

[gritty cedar]

I mean just why 💀

Ugh i forgor how to get Evee (nah i give up

[gritty cedar]

Brexit + Equestria = Brexitria 💀 (Bro what)

I will have to stop playing this game cuz it contains "Rule 2"

[woven wyvern]

Think I found a way to search depth d with O(d^3) memory (or if I did a dumb, something polynomial instead of exponential at least). Should only be a larger constant for time complexity too.

[primal mirage]

You can play the game as much as you like

Just don't share the parts the server doesn't allow

[gritty cedar]

Well sure thing

[gritty cedar]

I just got Manehattan

[woven wyvern]

Now can you get Manehatten?

[gritty cedar]

Huh? with the e? how in the world?

[woven wyvern]

go ask the AI, I haven't got a clue

It exists though, I've got both

[gritty cedar]

Well, i actually did this "Star Wars x Equestria Girls" Crossover lol

First Ever to discover it also

[woven wyvern]

Also can you please don't ping me for every reply? I'm right here

[gritty cedar]

Yeah sorry

(this reply was with the ping off btw)

Something stupid i made hours ago

Nah cant believe you can do this

Sequel of Star Chamber Wars: The Force Awakens 🤯

[cinder siren]

A friend sent me this...

[gritty cedar]

Super Smurf Bros 💀

thats funny

Oh and also how do i get "Hell"

[sage goblet]

send your outputs once you're done if you can! the current one is already so useful

[white jolt]

[woven wyvern]

Just made the change from bfs to iterative deepening dfs with a lot of optimizations (that almost eliminates repeats and dead branches)

                                 OLD*         |         NEW*
    DEPTH   |   SIZE   |   TIME   |   MEMORY  |   TIME   |   MEMORY
     2            29        0.002       53KiB |  <0.001     0.01MiB
     3            81        0.013      261KiB |  <0.001     0.02MiB
     4           211        0.078     1.51MiB |   0.005     0.03MiB
     5           486        0.721     10.7MiB |   0.036     0.06MiB
     6          1114        5.607     70.5MiB |   0.278     0.06MiB
     7          2682       51.326      477MiB |   2.077     0.18MiB
     8          6566      474.911     3.76GiB |  17.031     0.65MiB
*Optimal paths are not saved, but visited words are saved. Times measured on a 13950HX/128GiB RAM. 

https://github.com/StarGazingHomies/Infinite-Craft
Also you can go to the releases section for text files of optimal recipes.

[white jolt]

after trying a million things, i somehow got it from sweetie drops + brother?????

sweetie drops + mother apparently

i love getting first discovery on character names

[woven wyvern]

I should get back to manually exploring, been too busy looking at speedrun xD

[white jolt]

lyra heartstrings + dad = me????

i am lyra's dad?????

[gentle wigeon]

Felicitea is lyra's missing dad confirmed

[cinder siren]

I got that by combining "Macintosh" (like the old apple computer) and "big": just "big"... I dont even remember how I got "big"

Wait oops, idr if I removed ping

[white jolt]

its fine idc if you ping me but you actually didnt

[woven wyvern]

Would you mind keeping track of how you crafted these items?

[sage goblet]

this is why we need a combination history tracker lol

so many times I'm stuck on how I got part 62 of a complicated route

[white jolt]

my little pony + old man = shrek

[woven wyvern]

This exists (get tampermonkey/violentmonkey)

https://github.com/Mikarific/InfiniteCraftHelper/raw/main/dist/InfiniteCraftHelper.user.js

[white jolt]

i put down a bunch of generic ones and then start combining them with everything pony related, i go so fast sometimes i don't even remember how i get certain things

[white jolt]

i reformatted my list i was making to a google doc, and also fixed capitalization. now i can share it here without getting blocked for copy pasting long text https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dt4sPwSJcgzCG427l9Bfe7w5zKCk1d9mfJEo9SBdV5g/edit?usp=sharing

[red pawn]

wonder if i should rewrite the script in Rust

python is kind of annoying for complex code

[gritty cedar]

bro 💀

what did i just create 💀

Guys i crafted a Star Wars Moon

🤯

look at what i just got

[cinder siren]

damn

also damn²

[red pawn]

okay so I rewrote it in Rust

memory usage isn't any better lma o

iddfs it is

also the Rust version is nondeterministic

[red pawn]

okay I did a thing and now memory usage is better

(only store element sets and only store them as vectors)

then when you print the recipe, reconstruct it using the element set

4.9 GB with just over all 8 steps done so that's cool

also as a bonus I think this made it deterministic again

[woven wyvern]

#1204570015857250344 message

[red pawn]

how do you avoid repeats with iddfs?

[woven wyvern]

Basically, number the pair of items that we craft, like 0: 0+0, 1: 0+1, 2: 1+1, etc. If the list of pairs isn't in ascending order for a given path, it's a repeat. Also, if an item can be crafted using a lower value pair, it's a repeat.
(See the changelog.md document in my repo for details)

For new items, you also have to guarantee that every single item being crafted is used, but I only check for the 2nd last item since it's easy.

[red pawn]

ah, you enforce that elements are crafted in-order?

[woven wyvern]

The pairs of ingredients are in-order. The elements themselves don't have to be in depth order.

[red pawn]

I kinda don't get it

h

ah wait

if an earlier pair uses ingredients from later than a later pair, then they can be swapped

which makes it redundant

is this correct?

. A
0 X = A + A
1 Y = X + A
2 Z = Y + A
3 W = X + X

Z can be crafted after max(index(Y), index(A)) or 1
W can be crafted after max(index(X), index(X)) or 0

So there must be an alternate route where W was crafted before Z, making this path redundant

I think

idk

[woven wyvern]

[red pawn]

Check, for every new word, if it's possible to reach the target word using other combinations at the current step. This could be done using a set() and then checking if the target word is in the set.
I don't get this one

h

[woven wyvern]

So if you already have A, B, C, and A+ B -> E, A+C -> E or any way to craft E beyond that can be ignored

[red pawn]

ah, just collect all new elements into a set first

All new words must use all previously crafted elements in its recipe.
I don't see why this is true, what about if you have A + A -> X, B + B -> Y, X + Y -> Z?

[woven wyvern]

What I mean is that everything being crafted (not the starting elements) must be used, otherwise you can just get rid of the unused craft.

[red pawn]

but I don't see how you can know that it won't be used

[woven wyvern]

This is only true for new words at a certain depth, which is what I'm finding.

[red pawn]

X + Y -> Z can't be reordered before B + B -> Y, but B + B -> Y won't be used until X + Y -> Z

[woven wyvern]

It's not checked at each step, only at the very end. And also obviously it doesn't include the last craft.

[red pawn]

if it's only checked at the very end is there a point?

cause like, if you keep a set of words that have been visited, that already tells you if you have redundant steps

[woven wyvern]

I have not tried implementing the full condition. I only check if the 2nd last element is used, which is just starting a for loop later

[red pawn]

since the first node to add a word to the set that will be optimal

so anything else that doesn't match that has to be suboptimal

[woven wyvern]

Not necessarily, because you can craft B using 5 steps, but you can craft C with 6 and then B using C with 1 more.

[red pawn]

well this is for target words right?

[woven wyvern]

Then B+C may be optimal but the B step is not

[red pawn]

like, assuming you wanted to stop at that word

[red pawn]

I assume that's what this means

[woven wyvern]

Only true for the last step, yes

[white jolt]

strawberry shortcake + ponyville

[woven wyvern]

Recipe courtesy of the Infinite Craft discord / reddit, but

[woven wyvern]

9-step applejack

Water + Earth -> Plant
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Water + Plant -> Swamp
Plant + Dust -> Pollen
Water + Pollen -> Honey
Water + Honey -> Meade
Earth + Meade -> Cider
Swamp + Cider -> Moonshine
Cider + Moonshine -> Applejack

[cerulean berry]

@woven wyvern did you find the optimal request cooldown for this api

im doing 400ms for my bot

[sage goblet]

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/486552-infinite-craft-tweaks ❗

when you click on an element in the recipe tracker it takes you to the recipe for that element 🤤

[woven wyvern]

500ms for me

I know ~300ms runs into http error 429s, have not tried 400ms

[red pawn]

@woven wyvern does this look correct

it's uhhh

[woven wyvern]

I don't do rust maybe? (Seems like a lot of rust-specific syntax that I don't recognize)

Also I have depth 9 stuff released https://github.com/StarGazingHomies/Infinite-Craft/releases/

[red pawn]

I think it's legit

[woven wyvern]

I thought you would iterate like this:

if X is max(last_pair_indices) and Y is min(last_pair_indices)
0 1 2 3 4 5
    Y X

it should iterate
0 1 2 3 4 5
    Y X
        I I   <- for i in max_index + 1..state.len()
J J J J J(J)  <- for j in 0..i+1
add_pair(i, j)

and

0 1 2 3 4 5
    Y X
      J  <- for j in min_index + 1..max_index
add_pair(max_index, j)

My index ordering goes like:

(0, 0) -> 0
(0, 1) -> 1, (1, 1) -> 2
(0, 2) -> 3, (1, 2) -> 4, (2, 2) -> 5
(0, 3) -> 6, ..., (3, 3) -> 9

and you could just iterate from index(current pair) to max_index(numElements)

[red pawn]

agh right

that makes way more sense

[red pawn]

(this)

[red pawn]

I kinda don't get this

h

[woven wyvern]

Essentially it's an ordered_pair(i, j) where i<j, and when you compare 2 pairs, the max element takes precedence over the min element.

def compare(pair1, pair2):
    if pair1.j != pair2.j:
        return pair1.j <=> pair2.j
    else:
        return pair1.i <=> pair2.i

then since i, j are ordered pairs of integers, I just made index = i + j * (j+1) / 2 so only 1 int is needed

[red pawn]

my Rust code is soon going to have a hashmap of indexmap of indexmap 🔥

honestly

I could probably replace the last indexmap with a vec

or like, the state in general could be a vec

because n < like 10 there's no way a linear search is bad

actually what am I doing

I think I can just use a single hashmap

or two?

definitely no need for nesting

[woven wyvern]

Hashing? You only need a set to store visited words, nothing else uses hashing in my code iirc

[red pawn]

this is for outputting recipes

[woven wyvern]

You store a set[str] of possible words, and check against that?

[red pawn]

err, right now I have a hashmap and a hashset

the hashmap records the minimum depth needed to reach a word

the hashset records what sets of elements have been visited

if a state matches the minimum depth for an element and doesn't have a set of elements already a in the second set then it's printed

...I think this is correct

I'm not sure

[red pawn]

(an element set is only added to the hashset if it matches the minimum depth for the element)

let (&element, _) = state.last().unwrap();
if *recipe_depths.entry(element).or_insert(depth) != depth {
    return;
}

let mut elements = state.keys().copied().collect::<Vec<_>>();
elements.sort_unstable();
if !recipe_elements.insert(elements) {
    return;
}

// print ..

[woven wyvern]

Why are these element sets useful?

It's possible to reach a low-depth element at a very high depth and still produce an optimal result

E.g. Sandwich + Jesus -> Fish, which is depth 3

Water + Wind -> Wave
Earth + Wave -> Sand
Fire + Sand -> Glass
Water + Glass -> Wine
Water + Wine -> Holy Water
Sand + Wine -> Sandwich
Holy Water + Sandwich -> Jesus
Sandwich + Jesus -> Fish
Jesus + Fish -> Fishes

[red pawn]

so I don't print more than one functionally identical recipe

[woven wyvern]

Just print the first one you find? Iddfs guarantees that it's the lowest depth.

[red pawn]

basically I'm interested in finding all optimal recipes with unique element sets

Pirate
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Earth + Ocean -> Island
Water + Island -> Ship
Lake + Ship -> Pirate

would be considered distinct from

Pirate
Wind + Wind -> Tornado
Water + Tornado -> Tsunami
Earth + Tsunami -> Island
Water + Island -> Ship
Tornado + Ship -> Pirate

but not

Pirate
Water + Water -> Lake
Lake + Lake -> Ocean
Earth + Ocean -> Island
Water + Island -> Ship
Lake + Ship -> Pirate

[woven wyvern]

Ah ok, that will be less optimizable then. I still think the following applies:

• index ordering (a_i < a_j for i < j, the thing we were discussing above)
• immediate collision avoidance (avoid crafting the same thing at depth d), instead of complete avoidance (if it was craftable at a lower depth and lower index order, ignore). I am not sure about complete avoidance actually, maybe to a limited extent it's useful.
• every single crafted item is used at least once in the final recipe

[red pawn]

I mean is it less optimizable?

all it is is sticking a hashmap or two when outputting right?

[woven wyvern]

no, what I mean is that you might not be able to do as aggressive of collision avoidance when it comes to being able to craft something earlier

haven't tried proving anything yet, ima get pencil and paper

[red pawn]

"find an optimal recipe" vs "find all optimal recipes"?

[woven wyvern]

yee

[woven wyvern]

nevermind, I think the avoidance bit still applies. Probably the same amount of optimization then

We start with ABCD
If we can get (Recipe 1) i1 -> i2 -> ... -> i(n-1) -> E at depth n, where (x + i(n-1)) -> E
and we can also get (Recipe 2) i1 -> i2 -> ... -> i(n-1) -> j1 -> j2 -> ... -> jm -> E at depth n+m, where (x + j_k) -> E (E uses at least one of the new items):

• Order(Recipe 1) < Order(Recipe 2) --> there exists a recipe i1 -> i2 -> ... -> i(n-1) -> E -> j1 -> j2 -> ... -> jm, so we don't need Recipe 2.
• Order(Recipe 2) < Order(Recipe 1) --> Both recipe 1 and 2 stays. Recipe 1 is more restrictive due to ordering (E or later elements must be used for any next crafts), while Recipe 2 crafted stuff before E, which may provide more options.
  This has no impact on the number of optimal recipes. With the order condition it might even guarantee uniqueness?

[woven wyvern]

lol I'm so wrong, the above stuff probably guarantees that no optimal recipes it finds has the same items set (i think it can be proved, and it is experimentally verified up to depth 9)

[woven wyvern]

[red pawn]

Water + Fire -> Steam
Wind + Water -> Wave
Wave + Steam -> Surf

Water + Wind -> Wave
Wave + Fire -> Steam
Steam + Wave -> Surf

hm

iddfs won't be able to recognize that these two states will be identical right?

[woven wyvern]

If Wind > Fire in your order of elements, than the optimization above means that Wave + Fire = Steam will count as a collision (because Water + Fire -> Steam is craftable at a lower depth and earlier in the order)
If Wind < Fire in your order of elements, then wind + water -> wave in recipe 1 shouldn't exist because it's earlier in the order but later in the recipe.
Remember that I'm assuming you did ALL of the optimizations that I did in my code. If not, then maybe there's some need to check.

This is what my code produces without any checking of set of elements

Surf has 2 distinct minimal recipes:

{Earth, Fire, Steam, Surf, Water, Wave, Wind} -> Surf:
Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Wind -> Wave
Steam + Wave -> Surf

{Earth, Fire, Smoke, Surf, Water, Wave, Wind} -> Surf:
Water + Wind -> Wave
Fire + Wind -> Smoke
Wave + Smoke -> Surf

It even works up to very complex recipes (checked with a set, no repetitions unless I did a major oopsie)

[red pawn]

Wave + Fire = Steam will count as a collision (because Water + Fire is at a lower depth and earlier in the order)
wouldn't Water + Wind -> Wave eliminate Water + Fire -> Steam from being considered?

[woven wyvern]

No, it would not
This is basically the case where where n=1, m=1, E = Steam, and j1 = Wave, and case Order(Recipe 1) < Order(Recipe 2)

You could craft Steam earlier without crafting Wave, so we can switch it around and craft Steam first (and the pairs of items used to craft is still increasing)

[red pawn]

idk how you'd be able to tell though

[woven wyvern]

Look specifically at GameState.children in my code for how I implemented it
https://github.com/StarGazingHomies/Infinite-Craft/blob/Recipes9/main.py
(note: I forgot to delete the depth-limited children checking comment, that was made unnecessary by ordering the unused-limited search correctly)

[red pawn]

do you keep a set of all elements that could have been crafted earlier?

like, traverse children in order and add new elements to a set

so any later child is not allowed to make an element that occurs in the set

because you can always do an earlier child before a later child

[woven wyvern]

The elements that can be crafted earlier are passed (copied, not by reference) from the parent to children gamestates

[red pawn]

makes sense

I think I get it

[woven wyvern]

so if you can already craft A at the parent node, then A is also banned in any children after A has been crafted

[red pawn]

edges(db, state, |db, state, output, derivation| {
    let banned_entry = banned.entry(output).or_default();
    *banned_entry += 1;
    if *banned_entry > 1 {
        return;
    }
    if let indexmap::map::Entry::Vacant(entry) = state.entry(output) {
        entry.insert(Some(derivation));
        iddfs(db, state, banned, depth - 1, on_recipe);
        state.pop();
    }
});
edges(db, state, |_, _, output, _| {
    if let hash_map::Entry::Occupied(mut entry) = banned.entry(output) {
        match entry.get_mut() {
            1 => {
                entry.remove();
            }
            n => *n -= 1,
        }
    }
});

I love overengineering things

[red pawn]

@woven wyvern your <= 8 step list seems to be missing Beer Tree and Space Barbecue

Beer Tree
Water + Earth -> Plant
Wind + Plant -> Dandelion
Water + Dandelion -> Wine
Water + Wine -> Holy Water
Fire + Wine -> Alcohol
Alcohol + Alcohol -> Beer
Holy Water + Beer -> Holy Beer
Plant + Holy Beer -> Beer Tree

Space Barbecue
Water + Fire -> Steam
Fire + Steam -> Engine
Earth + Engine -> Tractor
Engine + Engine -> Rocket
Earth + Tractor -> Farm
Fire + Farm -> Barbecue
Rocket + Farm -> Space Farm
Barbecue + Space Farm -> Space Barbecue

[woven wyvern]

Huh. The 6566 recipes was the result ever since I did iddfs, so maybe it was a mistake early on

heck it even was before iddfs. Maybe an errorenous "Nothing" response?

"Barbecue\tSpace Farm": "Nothing"
Yep found it, recipe list has some wrong results

"Holy Beer\tPlant": "Nothing",

Guess I do need to re-request some "nothing"s, 429s are not reliable

[red pawn]

wait, can it return nothing once and something else another time

or have you been turning certain responses into nothing

cause I just hammer the API until I get a response so if it does that then

[woven wyvern]

I just load the json and return ["result"]... maybe it was during an earlier iteration that I bonked the save file

lemme delete the result and try again, see what happens

[red pawn]

here's my json for comparison

hopefully no differences

[woven wyvern]

there's a lot of conflicts

on both sides too

fuuuuuuuuck

[red pawn]

h

[woven wyvern]

Yours seem (relatively) more complete but

[red pawn]

so like. are all nothings just unreliable

should they not be stored

[woven wyvern]

They should probably be stored, otherwise this will dominate the requests being made

we just need to somehow triple check whether a "nothing" is a real nothing

im eepy now, going to head to bread (edit: soon, anyway) and deal with this tomorrow

[red pawn]

what if the AI is nondeterministic and the responses are not cached for nothings

[woven wyvern]

temperature?

wha- if nothings are not cached, fluff. Also it's costly for neal

[red pawn]

actually I doubt the responses are not cached for nothings

cause the first time something fails to combine is slow

but the second time is pretty fast

unless it's a local cache

but I doubt it

model inference can't be cheap

but then why does it happen

h

[woven wyvern]

Maybe something with how we interpret requests

that's like the only option left xD

[red pawn]

it's just json.parse, it can't be simpler than that

[woven wyvern]

Like what happens when there's a timeout / http exception

Does it still return "Nothing" in the exception's response body? (Also I don't really do network stuff, so idk)

[red pawn]

wdym

[red pawn]

yeah I don't either

[woven wyvern]

Nevermind, urlopen() seems to always raise an urllib.error.HTTPError when there's an http exception and doesn't allow direct access to the response body

[red pawn]

Fire + Yewwine -> Yewwine
Money + Dandelion Vodka -> Dandelion Vodka
Wind + Dandelion Vodka -> Dandelion Seeds
Hourglass + Drapes -> Curtains
Steam + Swamp Titanic -> Steamboat
Swap + Transmission -> Transmission
Observatory + Aeon -> Telescope
Cloud + Pie-cano -> Pie-cano
Pie-rate + Steam-punk-ate -> Steam-punk-ate-pie-rate
Hourglass + Whisper -> Secret

speculation: it seems like new combinations are more likely to result in false Nothings

because I ran manual runs with Yew and Pie-rate while looking for certain elements

and they seem to show up much more frequently in the false nothings script

[woven wyvern]

I'm just giving every single nothing 2 retries (3 tries total) for now. Going to probably work on an optimization tool before coming back to this question

[red pawn]

actually traversing the tree seems like it takes no time at all compared to the API requests

so if you can do all 9-steps, correct the DB offline, then run it again

it should be correct

...I think

[woven wyvern]

Yee, what I did for re-relasing the 9-step stuff is just taking the 9-step DB and then removing all the nothings

Also the nothing ratio for me is currently 12600 / 600k recipes, if that means anything

[red pawn]

it means nothing

[thin bramble]

Goimg to be honest, if you've got a more important or interesting project going on, it looses it's appeal pretty fast.

It's fun, but it didn't feel as statisfying as it could've been.

[red pawn]

the game or automating it?

[sage goblet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/infinitecraft/comments/1apc9ls/how_to_make_internet_and_a_lot_of_other_things/

this post is the essence of infinity craft

doing all that, making a huge guide, only for someone to comment below:

[red pawn]

it's not even optimal

you can do it in 7

Internet
Water + Fire -> Steam
Steam + Fire -> Engine
Engine + Steam -> Train
Engine + Engine -> Rocket
Rocket + Train -> Bullet Train
Rocket + Rocket -> Satellite
Satellite + Bullet Train -> Internet

[sage goblet]

lol

want me to comment that?

[red pawn]

I did

[woven wyvern]

Programming is more fun than playing the game normally
Maybe if someone figures out prompt injection, this would be 100x more fun for ~1 hour until it's patched.

[red pawn]

I wonder if you could implement this with text embeddings

you could average the embeddings but like. what then

[red pawn]

going for target words is fun

someone asked for peter griffin

Water + Fire -> Steam
Steam + Fire -> Engine
Steam + Earth -> Mud
Engine + Wind -> Windmill
Windmill + Mud -> Pig
Pig + Fire -> Bacon
Bacon + Wind -> Baconator
Mud + Water -> Swamp
Swamp + Mud -> Quagmire
Quagmire + Baconator -> Peter Griffin

found this, which should be optimal since it doesn't show up in your 9 steps list

[woven wyvern]

Sometimes. I find optimizing existing recipes pretty fun as well.

Do you think this is the optimal way to get 1? (I came up with it on another server)

Water + Water -> Lake
Fire + Earth -> Lava
Water + Lava -> Stone
Lake + Stone -> Lighthouse
Stone + Stone -> Boulder
Lighthouse + Boulder -> Statue of Liberty
Water + Statue of Liberty -> New York
Fire + New York -> 9/11
9/11 + 9/11 -> 9/22
9/22 + 9/22 -> 18/44
Fire + 18/44 -> 22
22 + 9/22 -> 1

[red pawn]

seems hard to beat

also the AI does not know math

lmao

[woven wyvern]

Is there a good algorithm for getting multiple elements?

[red pawn]

did you start the search from the 9/11 initial state?

[woven wyvern]

Yee

[red pawn]

so it's made of two optimal routes

there aren't too many numbers that show up

420 is easy to reach

[woven wyvern]

Also is there any good algorithms to find paths through multiple elements? Was manually doing recipes since there were some streamers that did an infinite craft battle thing, and their last prompt was all the colours of the rainbow. I came up with this https://pastebin.com/MyBd3DbU manually.

[red pawn]

420, R2D2, B-52, V8

[hollow night]

mountain + boulder not becoming sispyhus is some bullshit

[red pawn]

that's Boulder + Hermit

or Boulder + Knight

[hollow night]

cringe

[red pawn]

I feel like most algorithms are going to be bottlenecked by API requests

after you do all the requests even brute force is sufficient

but it's extremely difficult to probe the search space when each request takes so long

007
Water + Water -> Lake
Water + Lake -> Ocean
Water + Ocean -> Fish
Wind + Fish -> Flying Fish
Earth + Flying Fish -> Bird
Water + Bird -> Penguin
Lake + Penguin -> Tux
Flying Fish + Tux -> James Bond
Water + James Bond -> 007

wonder if this could be a starting point

One Ring
Water + Fire -> Steam
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Fire + Steam -> Engine
Earth + Dust -> Planet
Engine + Planet -> Saturn
Planet + Saturn -> Ring
Saturn + Ring -> Lord of the Rings
Steam + Lord of the Rings -> Sauron
Lord of the Rings + Sauron -> One Ring

maybe isolate this to just One?

[red pawn]

well the existing algorithm should work right?

[woven wyvern]

Not yet, because if a word is not used, the path is ignored (an optimization I made that cuts down processed leaf states by ~25x at depth 9)

Time is reduced by ~8x

[red pawn]

saves one depth right

you can just consider it "used" if it produces an element in the target set

[woven wyvern]

oh yeah

[red pawn]

Formula 1
Water + Fire -> Steam
Earth + Water -> Plant
Steam + Fire -> Engine
Plant + Steam -> Tea
Engine + Plant -> Car
Car + Engine -> Racecar
Car + Tea -> Chariot
Chariot + Racecar -> Formula 1

what about removing formula from this

removing is kinda much harder than adding though

[red pawn]

I feel like the femboy recipe is improvable

26 steps is a lot

[thin bramble]

The game itself.

[red pawn]

I need a better sonic wave recipe

Quantum + Geometry Dash -> Quantum Dash
Quantum Dash + Wave -> Quantum Wave
Sonic + Quantum Wave -> Sonic Wave

[red pawn]

stargazing, was adding the "use all unused" mode a significant time saver

for when there are exactly as many steps left as the steps you'd need to use all unused elements

https://github.com/analog-hors/infinitecraft-tools

hopefully my code isn't bugged

do any of the optimizations even matter

it takes like 5 seconds max for it to catch up to where it left off when the db is loaded

[woven wyvern]

Yee, use all unused vs use last element was the 8x time increase that I mentioned previously

[red pawn]

I have

if state.len() as u32 - used > depth + 1 {
    return;
}

but I noticed you also had a special case for if you had to start using all unused elements

[woven wyvern]

It might be unnecessary since the invalid paths will be removed next step already

[red pawn]

I really wonder if any of it is necessary

I kinda didn't benchmark

I don't allocate any maps, sets, or vectors in my search at all (incrementally updated) and I'm also using Rust

[woven wyvern]

Time was cut (for depth 8) from like 490 to 4 seconds iirc (I did some benchmarks detailed in changelog.md in my repo)

[red pawn]

waow

[gritty cedar]

Try creating "Quantum Processing"

[woven wyvern]

Also shortest* path for Quantum (*I'm only 90~95% sure all the Nothings in depth 9 has been squashed)

Water + Fire -> Steam
Water + Wind -> Wave
Earth + Steam -> Mud
Steam + Wave -> Surf
Wave + Surf -> Surfer
Steam + Surfer -> Steamroller
Earth + Steamroller -> Flat Earth
Mud + Flat Earth -> Adam
Steam + Adam -> Atom
Wave + Atom -> Quantum

[red pawn]

there's definitely a better template word that isn't "quantum dash"

Wave + Search Engine -> Google Wave
Sonic + Google Wave -> Wave Sonic

you can't be serious

[gritty cedar]

Is there a way to get "Blast Processing"

[red pawn]

breakthrough

24 step femboy recipe

this uses an alternate path for Woman, which goes through Man and Apple without Eden, saving 2 steps

feels like it's gonna be hard to optimize this further

Mountain + Dandelion -> Mountain Dew
Mountain Dew + Apple -> iMac

nvm lol

wtf

23 steps I guess

[red pawn]

@woven wyvern depth 9 is missing Dusty Stranger

Dusty Stranger
Wind + Earth -> Dust
Dust + Dust -> Sand
Water + Sand -> Beach
Fire + Beach -> Sun
Beach + Sun -> Vacation
Dust + Vacation -> Dustin
Beach + Dustin -> Stranger Things
Vacation + Stranger Things -> Stranger Vacation
Dust + Stranger Vacation -> Dusty Stranger

it's also missing this recipe for Holy Balloon

Holy Balloon
Water + Earth -> Plant
Wind + Plant -> Dandelion
Water + Dandelion -> Wine
Dandelion + Dandelion -> Dandelion Patch
Water + Wine -> Holy Water
Wind + Wine -> Balloon
Holy Water + Holy Water -> Holy Lake
Dandelion Patch + Holy Lake -> Holy Dandelion
Balloon + Holy Dandelion -> Holy Balloon

[woven wyvern]

Time to re-request more nothings!

[cerulean berry]

sorry for the late reply, does this assume the api request is instant? my bot currently has about 10k stored items and im combining really weird stuff like "Steampunk Bitcoin Miner" and "Dr. Wookiee’s Sing-along Blog" and the request takes about a second or so

[woven wyvern]

Yes, it does.

Also, remember to re-request "Nothing" results because these can be finicky especially if you're requesting a combination for the first time.

[cerulean berry]

wait what

i didnt know that

thankfully i saved a json of my "failed recipes"

[woven wyvern]

After the re-request it seems to be missing one more thing. (17065 --> 17067 recipes of 9 steps)

[woven wyvern]

The 2 new recipes are for Dusty Stranger and 69

[sage goblet]

is there a latest version of optimals.txt or any other kind of export?

y'alls cheatsheets are extremely helpful

[woven wyvern]

The depth 9 cheatsheet is still on my github / releases. There's also a spreadsheet infinite craft helper bot (bot is down) in the r/infinitecraft associated discord that can check for longer recipes.

[elder bear]

figure i need a book to make twilight

[woven wyvern]

Would you like spoilers, or no spoilers?

[elder bear]

nah, i got this

you'd expect rainbow dash to be pegasus and rainbow, but it couldn't be that easy

i made a.. rainbow tree?

apparently golden fleece and human made jason for whatever reason

[elder bear]

getting somewhere

my television hunch paid off

||had to make artist, then frame a painting and add electricity||

i'm conflicted that merging pinkie pie with knife gave me cutiemark

they all do

[elder bear]

one must imagine ponyphus happy

oH DARLING

[elder bear]

i got FiM twice

[white jolt]

i also have both of those

[elder bear]

feel like cutie mark and rock should make maud

[white jolt]

i think i got maud through pinkie pie + sister

[elder bear]

how'd you get sister?

that would be useful

[white jolt]

i dont remember

[elder bear]

i'm currently trying to get invader zim

got this in the process

[elder bear]

i've got all this thus far

still don't understand how you guys got characters like mrs cake and lyra

[white jolt]

i was the first discovery for mrs cake but i dont even remember how i got her

if you mix "ponyville" with literally everything you'll find so much

[elder bear]

noted

i mixed radio i think? with cutiemark to get vinyl

then used change to get pon3

wait, no

it was dj

oh hey, i finally got music

heh, putting jungle with music gives drum

surprised that's discovered

what defining features does manhattan have?

i got jersy with smog, true to itself

[elder bear]

[elder bear]

[elder bear]

this is the closest i've gotten to the wonderbolts

[white jolt]

i have wonderbolts

[elder bear]

did you even need the blue angels to make it?

[white jolt]

no

i dont remember how but it was probably something with ponyville

ponyville is like the key to everything

or it mightve been something with rainbow dash maybe

[elder bear]

oh, blue angel was the only problem

[white jolt]

i wish it would tell you how you got it if you hover over it or something 😭😭😭

[elder bear]

got wonderbolts easily from blue angels

that would be useful

[elder bear]

i was uhh

trying to make starlight

[cinder siren]

that's... a bit harsh for later season starlight

spot on season 5 starlight tho

[elder bear]

yea she really took a great turn

[hollow night]

um?

[atomic kelp]

I got Starlight Glimmer off of Trixie, I forgot how. Trixie is Best Friend+ Twilight Sparkle though. GL regardless if you try out this!

Just tested it: Cosmos + Trixie = Starlight, Starlight + Trixie = Starlight Glimmer

I realize I'm five hours late, and you've probably gotten Starlight at this point.

[elder bear]

nah, i went to bed shortly after that last message

thanks for the help!

[elder bear]

finally after making spike, i have all of the mane cast

and that picked a hilarious time to show up

[elder bear]

that was a strange group of combinations

i don't get why mansuccess is so funny to me

still don't have maud

you can really see the sadness in her eyes

[visual violet]

bogmansuccess is so real

[elder bear]

for some reason pinkie pie and miner made diamond tiara

[elder bear]

no clue who cindercrush is, but that name goes hard

[elder bear]

didn't expect to find you

[white jolt]

is that an mlp character

cuz i have that too

[elder bear]

yea, it's the guy from rainbow roadtrip

[elder bear]

near, yet far

[elder bear]

man how'd i make lowes

[elder bear]

[sullen star]

[elder bear]

my most recent findings are terribly chaotic

[sullen star]

At any rate
The AI is definitely a "normie" that will really only default to what's most popular on the internet

What this means is that you really need to apply unusual means to get it to start delving into more niche internet things

[elder bear]

such as?

[sullen star]

Not being able to get to MLP by using "unicorn"/"alicorn" >.>

[elder bear]

i meant what means would i need to get invader zim, for example

[sullen star]

I don't know

I didn't try too hard on getting other media

[elder bear]

lucky for me, i have chronic stubbornness

[languid harbor]

Ladies and gentle man

We got em

This is awesme

[elder bear]

anything past the mane 6 and the princesses is a challenge

but possible, i'm sure

..hm

hMMM

[languid harbor]

[cinder siren]

this is the highest convention number I could get

[sullen star]

Bronycon 2077

[cinder siren]

[elder bear]

how'd you get dates?

[cinder siren]

numbers

[languid harbor]

I haven't gotten the mane six yet

all of them

[cinder siren]

in all honesty; I don't remember initially

[elder bear]

i was eating that!

[languid harbor]

Wut.

[elder bear]

that kinda goes hard

[languid harbor]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS