Baldur's Gate

[heavy hound]

I want at least wait for a few patches

[quick bobcat]

that's true, I'll probably wait for the first big patch

[heavy hound]

Also maybe a few QOL mods

A weight one for one

[quick bobcat]

also after playing bg3 I have a sudden urge to replay dos2

[heavy hound]

Also I want to make sure to not get completely burned out on D&D, since I have two campaign I'm playing in and it'd suck to actively loathe the idea of playing the pen and paper game with my friends

[sweet moat]

After I'm done playing through BG3, I'll actually be uninstalling it for a bit so that I can free up some space for D:OS 2 (BG3 takes up over 150 GB of space, D:OS 2 is just over 50 GB).

[night oracle]

does my laptop even have enough space...

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU23f2e8cD0 Ah, the chaos contained in one video

[clear yarrow]

. . . Blarg

I'm at my typical 95% complete stage

And I'm having a real struggle completing the last

[night oracle]

[night oracle]

My character just picked up a key and said "...Wish i had a bag of holding."

[clear yarrow]

That weapon was the jam

I used the crap out of it for most of the SHadowlands

[night oracle]

Yeah i feel that the aura alone is helping me get through that without much issue

[quick bobcat]

there's definitely a lot of inconsistencies in the dialogs, I just met ||mayrina again in act 3 and she acted like I had rescued her and killed the hag previously, even though I let the hag go with her in act 1||

[desert dove]

I've heard that phrase a lot.

[sweet moat]

"These boots have seen everything..."

"Is that blood? ...No, never mind."

But it was, especially in the cutscenes.

[kindred talon]

“Cursed to put my hands on everything”

[quick bobcat]

mmmmmm yes

do a hard fight, finally manage to win
accidentally walk on a trap
game crashes
haven't saved

absolutely delightful

[sweet moat]

[quick bobcat]

and now the game doesn't even wanna launch

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_9pVLURw0M she's doing it solo!

[quick bobcat]

Ouch, the choice for wyll's story in act 3 is tough

[heavy hound]

Agreed

Spoilers, click at your own peril||You can do both, but it's hard and requires some luck and some quick thinking||

It's one of the quests that ||they didn't fuck up at all in act 3, they account for your actions pretty well and you can outwit it||

[quick bobcat]

also, is "stop the presses" broken? I ||replaced the headline with a positive one, but after long resting it still says that my reputation is in shambles||

[heavy hound]

Not sure, I went there, threatened everyone and when that didn't work was "I tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas" and left

So I just failed it the normal way

[quick bobcat]

ugh, the bugs are really annoying

jfc, it's been like 10 hours since I did that quest. No way am I replaying it

and now the whole city is gonna hate me

yeah, this game could and should have spent a couple more months in the oven

the bugs are getting infuriatingly annoying in act 3

[sweet moat]

I feel like they could've given the players some no-context snippets of Act 3 during EA at the very least, such as the newspaper quest, general performance tweaks, etc.

[quick bobcat]

these stupid bugs are taking all the enjoyment out of the game for me now

[sweet moat]

Nothing that spoiled the story, but stuff that enables proper bug fixing.

This isn't a problem just with BG3 either, D:OS 2 had this problem too with Act 3 and Act 4 (mostly Act 4). It took a full year for all the bugs to be ironed out with that game.

[quick bobcat]

instead of just having a good time with the game I keep getting story altering bugs, losing tons of progress because of crashes and getting inconsistent dialog options and stuff

[sweet moat]

I'm kinda waiting for Patch 1 before I hop back in, even if it means waiting to finish Act 2.

[quick bobcat]

act 2 was mostly alright, but admittedly it didn't have that much content as a whole

also it was where I got the most crashes

but act 3 has the most story bugs

[sweet moat]

I feel like this is Larian's one (and only) big fault: the ending act of each of their games is always, always rushed and buggy.

They still make the greatest CRPGs of all time, but it's always going to be a thing where the final act is riddled with bugs and performance issues.

Luckily, by the time thy start making "definitive versions" of their games, all those bugs and most of the performance issues are patched.

My guess is that it'll be about a year before BG3 Act 3 is as bug-free as Act 1.

Just like how it was with D:OS 2's Act 4.

[quick bobcat]

I really wanted to start another playthrough after this, but there's no way I'm doing that until more patches come out

guess I'll just play DOS2 instead

[sweet moat]

I'll wait until Patch 1 before I finish BG3, and then I'll replay D:OS 2. Hopefully by the time I'm done with both, Warhammer: Rogue Trader from Owlcat Games will be out and then I'll be diving into another adventure, lol.

I can't wait for that game.

[heavy hound]

From what i heard from people on release the last act of DOS2 was in a similar situation, might be that when a game is that complex it's really hard to get it right without the community getting their hands on it, at least without a massive QA department

[sweet moat]

Then of course there's Chained Echoes, Octopath Traveler 1 and 2, Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2, and possibly even Tyranny if I decide to get that one too.

Oh, and Wasteland 3...

Shit, I've got so many CRPGs and JRPGs to play, lol.

[heavy hound]

As I said, despite a few broken quests tho, Act 3 is mostly working.
You definitely can complete all quests one way or another.
A few could use for a bit more freedom, and some work as long as you don't try to push them too much, which is something they need fixing since pushing stuff in creative ways is definitely meant to be a core part of the game.

[quick bobcat]

Well clearly you can't complete "stop the presses", only fail it

[heavy hound]

That one I'm not sure, as I said I kinda failed it on purpose

[quick bobcat]

I did everything, put a load of time and effort into ||sneaking in, getting past the steel watcher security without being caught, finding the right article and swapping it|| and it still fails

[heavy hound]

Might be that you didn't buy the next edition so the quest broke?

Some quests are a bit fragile I noticed

Also might be intended, ||maybe when you buy it you discover it's not actually changed and that leads you to investigate further, or another objective, that leads to lasting change in the press?||
Not sure.

Hard to know without exploring it myself, hopefully if it's intended they clarify it better or make it more robust

[sweet moat]

A two-part quest?

[quick bobcat]

I have so many

[heavy hound]

I ate those like chips

The powers are so delicious

Also my logic was that I didn't want to preclude myself a whole skill tree on my first playthrough, that said, it started to be a bit silly with all the powers I had to add on my bars

[quick bobcat]

Honestly I feel they're all useless

[heavy hound]

I was so strong, the most useful ones are the reaction or the passive ones to be fair, but even the others are pretty strong

[quick bobcat]

If you don't ||evolve|| they seem kinda weak

[heavy hound]

If in the crechè you manage ||to eat the thingamaggig that is meant to eat your parasite|| they can be used as bonus actions so they becomes a lot stronger

[quick bobcat]

I somehow missed that entire room, I dunno how

Pretty sure I explored (and murdered) the entire creche and yet somehow I missed it

[heavy hound]

If you go there with laezel it's like, the main place you go to, since it's your mission remember? To use the thing to remove the parasite

[quick bobcat]

I didn't do any of my non party member quests

Don't wanna bother switching companions

[heavy hound]

I switched everytime ther was something relevant for someone

That said In future playthroughs I am probably only going to recuit people I want to actively explore the quests of

I wonder also, ||if you for example never recuit Wyll, do you still find Mizora trapped in Act 2? How much of that stuff is accounted for or just not there?||

[quick bobcat]

Good question

[heavy hound]

I assume Duke Ravencrest will be there regardless since he's relevant for other stuff

[night oracle]

Still early in the game ||at the last light inn|| but man, ||Raphael's|| voice is awesome

[heavy hound]

It really is
His VA killed it so hard in that role

[kindred talon]

act 3 feels so dense it's hard to get into

[heavy hound]

Yeah I focued on one thing at a time

It's a bit overwhelming at the start but it wasn't completely unwelcome, it sells the busy commercial city vibe

The obviously big undertakings like ||confronting Cazador, finding the Temple of Shar|| I did dabble into but I did considered them as lategame things as I expected them to be hard, and they are pretty damn challening IMO and I started with clearing some of the less obviously big things

[night oracle]

Damn, wish you could track who you sell stuff to. I tweaked my build some and decided to change weapon too. Laezel had it for a while before i gave her a sword and fuck me if I know where I sold it

If I even did, I am not even sure that it was sold

Oh, there it is. Somehow her inventory hadn't loaded correctly

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRa8_UbhHI

[night oracle]

Lol, pulled from a streamer I watch (normally WOW, has been doing some bg3)

"you see the twitter rant of the person who "finished" baldurs gate nad didnt like their ending?"
"TLDR after thousands of played hours they have done all there is to do"
"and they think its an unfinished game that will disappoint everyone"

[polar seal]

Yeah, those 200k+ overwhelmingly positive ratings on steam really show how disappointed people are

[heavy hound]

I've seen a couple of well made video criticising the ending and I think there is merit to it

[kindred talon]

to be fair, almost none of those 200K+ raters probably finished the game

[heavy hound]

That said, there is more than the ending at the end of the game, the end of some of the companion quests in the 3rd act is legit some of the best writing I've seen in gaming, so I can forgive a 7/10 ending

[kindred talon]

BG3 has a fantastic opening act

[heavy hound]

And the ending (the one I got at least) isn't terrible, it just isn't incredible

[eternal hawk]

The game will be a lot different once all the post-release stuff gets sorted. Haven't finished it myself however: Ending spoilers || The endings are kind of unfinished, all the voice lines and such are in the files just not implemented. ||

[desert dove]

Definitely want to get to the ending at some point, it's the one reason I haven't restarted with a new character yet (though I'm dying to right now).

[weak cedar]

https://twitter.com/gamesradar/status/1694739563573371156?

GamesRadar+ (@GamesRadar)

BREAKING: Baldur's Gate 3 will come to Xbox "this year" following talks between Phil Spencer and Larian CEO Sven Vincke
https://t.co/s9p909Yjs3

Twitter · Aug 24, 2023, 3:52 PM

[night oracle]

https://twitter.com/chrissyxchi/status/1694736112420332016 accurate

chrissy 🥀 (bg3 spoilers) (@chrissyxchi)

how i feel after playing baldur’s gate 3 all night instead of sleeping

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Twitter · Aug 24, 2023, 3:39 PM

[quick bobcat]

this.. is way too accurate

this game has caused so many late night gaming sessions already

[night oracle]

[weak cedar]

Have you completed the game yet?

[quick bobcat]

no, but I'm close

[weak cedar]

[night oracle]

I dunno the context, but 😄

[sweet moat]

And then there's Shadowheart: 😬

[night oracle]

(I am 7)

And I just know if I engage it'll pop up a bunch of others

[heavy hound]

The highest level thing I killed in the game I think was ||17||

[night oracle]

[heavy hound]

And that one wasn't alone either

The level might be capped but some of the magic items straight up break the game

Also level 6 spells are very broken

In the good sense of the word

[night oracle]

YOU FUCKS THE GODDAMN MOB IS PRONE, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MISS

[heavy hound]

Listen, sometimes you have 2 rolls with advantage, and both miss
Probability is fucked up

[night oracle]

Two different people missing on the same mob

Thankfully, Shadowheart at least was competent and crit the damn thing

...

That was so not worth it

[night oracle]

Ah yes. The tried and true method of convincing the smaller mobs to fight the bigger one. ||Or rather, convincing the bigger one that it's a good idea to die by their hand...||

[night oracle]

Save scumming, I was just thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to ||Halsin coming out of the portal...||

[heavy hound]

I wonder what happens if ||you follow him in despite the warnings ||

[eternal hawk]

That enouncter is a lot fun if you're a wizard.

[night oracle]

arrrrgh again

[night oracle]

Might need to swap Wyll for Gale...

[quick bobcat]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1086940/view/3669924544085723479?l=english

addressing over 1000 bugs

Patch 1 is too big for our usual patch notes due to Steam’s character limit, so for the full notes head to this link:

You won’t be waiting long for Patch 2, which is right around the corner. This update will feature significant performance improvements - but we’ll go into more detail about that closer to its release.

[night oracle]

Ooh, downloaded while I was playing. Gonna have to reload

[desert dove]

Awww shit, here we go

[quick bobcat]

Warlocks' Pact of the Chain summons now get to use their Extra Attack more than once.
so it was a bug

I knew it

[night oracle]

oh that was working in this playthrough, i guess it patched before i started

[eternal hawk]

Freecast tadpole power to properly reset on Long Rest. It was creating infinite spell slots and Sorcery Points for sorcerers.

Fun over.

They fixed Lore Bards.

[night oracle]

During Gale's spell-teaching scene, you now have the option to picture a future with Gale that falls somewhere in between kissing him and kicking him in the head.

[quick bobcat]

There are SO many changes oh god

here's the full changelog btw https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=886485&#Post886485

[jaunty basin]

can you imagine doing nothing but fixes and patches like this for literal months

Fixed an issue with Marcus being resurrected by players hitting him with a dual-wield attack - the second hit will no longer revive him.
how does that bug even happen

[desert dove]

Man, Bards got a boost in general:

Added spells to bards' Magical Secrets feature: Banishing Smite, Animate Dead, Crusader's Mantle, Hunger of Hadar, Revivify, Sleet Storm, Rage of Enfeeblement, Web, Entangle, Hunter's Mark, Sanctuary, Thunderous Smite, Bone Chill, Eldritch Morphic Blast, Fire Bolt, Ray of Frost, Sacred Flame.

Helped Minthara remember how to use her weapons.

Fixed the modesty filter not working on dragonborns.

The Digital Deluxe DLC's D:OS2 bard songs are now also granted to companions as well, instead of just player avatars.
All the extra bard songs from the Deluxe Edition will now be available even if you use Lohse's Lute of the Merryweather Bard from the Deluxe Edition.
Bards OP, plz nerf

[quick bobcat]

Wow, apparently I've been playing the game on hard mode ever since the end of act 1 because of my shitty choices (and I don't mean the tactician difficulty). Apparently if you save ||Isobel and therefore last light inn|| then you get a whole ||army of harpers help you take moonrise tower||, which I ended up having to do alone

Also this is the cheesiest thing I seen in my life
https://youtu.be/kT-stzIRvGk?si=hlEWZtP6wEH1Ue7e

[night oracle]

Finally, got it. Gale had a field day

[earnest kraken]

New patch? time to replay the entire game agian.

[night oracle]

Now let's not be too hasty~

[desert dove]

My misty step didn't reach quiiiiiiite far enough...

[sweet moat]

Um, I hope you didn't save after doing that.

Because apparently there is a VERY valuable mushroom hidden somewhere in the back of that area, and destroying the explosive mushrooms blows it up too.

I missed it when I first went through it.

[quick bobcat]

I didn't know until I read about it somewhere

[sweet moat]

Same

[quick bobcat]

And I was like 30 hours past that point lol

[sweet moat]

Also same.

[quick bobcat]

It's fine, I don't really need gold, I have like 70k already

[sweet moat]

For this particular mushroom, it's not about the gold, it's about story content.

Well, optional story content

[heavy hound]

Never found it but it's fine, that's what 2nd playthroughs are for

[desert dove]

yeah, I figured something like that might be the case. Oops. I can reload.

[sweet moat]

And afaik, this is the only mushroom of its kind in the game.

[quick bobcat]

Oh, I see what you mean. I think that giving it ||to the guy to restore his memories isn't actually the best idea considering he's a wife beater. I mean what his wife did isn't ideal too but honestly in this situation no one is a winner||

||It's best if he stays oblivious imo||

I dunno if there are any other options

[sweet moat]

There are other options

You can give it to ||Shadowheart, which unlocks a memory.||

[quick bobcat]

Oooh

Okay that's pretty cool

Too bad I missed it

Also apparently I got locked out of the entire romance path because I messed up ONE dialog choice with shadowheart

Like seriously?

That's kinda dumb

[desert dove]

Christ. I can save the guy, but I cannot avoid setting off the mushrooms afterwards.

[heavy hound]

I think smaller characters have an easier time with it, for the bag I used Scratch for example and it was pretty easy to navigate the maze

So if you have access to "enlarge/reduce" it might help

[quick bobcat]

https://youtu.be/oPTzx-M-_mo

[desert dove]

... Scratch ate the Noblestalk.

[heavy hound]

lol

I think you can drag and drop items instead of trying to pick it up

I don't know if you can with the mushroom

Or if he'll eat it anyway if you do it with him

[desert dove]

Yeah, it has an interact icon rather than a regular item icon.

Meah. I used him to toss the bag to the dwarf, toss the torch all the way back to me, then just popped mushrooms until I could get to the item.

[quick bobcat]

ah yes, fantastic. The game is just uncontrollably crashing after the latest patch now

nice

can't even do anything. I load in and instantly crash

thanks for corrupting my save, Larian

wonderful, 5 of my last saves crash instantly on load

I'm really starting to lose my patience with this game...

what the actual fuck, now the game thinks I've made choices that I haven't????

I've just about had it already

[sweet moat]

Welp, looks like I'm waiting until Patch 2.

[quick bobcat]

this is fucking ridiculous, I reloaded to my older save did some stuff, went to kill ||Loroakan|| AGAIN and the game crashed as soon as I spoke to him. Are you fucking serious

[sweet moat]

Methinks hotfix #5 will be coming soon

[heavy hound]

Try verifying the files?

[quick bobcat]

I'm trying that now

if that doesn't work... I'm done

I'm just gonna put the game down

[heavy hound]

very fair

[quick bobcat]

I'm fuming

they literally just made the game unplayable with this patch

I'd rather have bugs than not being able to play the game at all

fuck it, I'm downloading DOS2. Screw this game

[night oracle]

Check the forums and/or reddit. Might be someone there who has the same issue and a solution

[exotic pelican]

After I found out about all the cut content I've been thinking about not finishing the game until it gets added back in. I'll wait for the definitive edition.

[night oracle]

```Fixed a bug where adding items to the Chest of the Mundane changed the weight of an item.````

[glass veldt]

[desert dove]

Ah, yes, walk through the stinking cloud after the fight. Good job Shadowheart.

[night oracle]

Hmm. Guide is confusing me. I wanna take halsin with me for just a quest. Based on his build, almost seems like he'd take Karlach's spot. Based on the gear they recommend, he'd take Shadowheart's spot

[heavy hound]

I wouldn't be a bad change actually if the group started ungrouped after every fight

[heavy hound]

He is a bit of a hybrid, but he does have support spells so you can play him a bit of both.

Keep in mind that most items aren't going to affect him once he is shapeshifted

The shapeshift charges restore on a short rest so you can use them relatively freely too

[night oracle]

Hmm. Shadowheart does have the ||Blood of Lathander|| though so that's a hard thing to pass up

[heavy hound]

True

Especially if undead are involved

Between that and turn undead

[night oracle]

Less undead and more shadow mobs

[heavy hound]

Act 2 has a lot of both

[night oracle]

My group's usually Gale/Shadowheart/Monk(me)/Karlach. Which I'll probably stick to anyway, just I think i need him for this one quest ||Oliver||

[heavy hound]

I'd swap karlach, you can maybe cast a spell on the first turn and shapeshift him and be fine
He'll not be as strudy as her but if he gets knocked out of the shapeshift, you can do it again

[night oracle]

But she is best girl!

[heavy hound]

Agreed, so sad I couldn't bring her around that much in my playthrough

[heavy hound]

Man, Astarion is just the best, he's so entertainin
Act 3 minor spoilers: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXxcTe2Pnuk||

[night oracle]

That indignant blink of MC at the end

Experimenting with dual wielding on my monk since you can do that with the weapons and i'm not convinced the quarterstaves I've found are any good...

[heavy hound]

I don't know if it's ever worth with monk because you can just make an unarmed attack instead with your bonus action

So in a way you are always dual weilding

[night oracle]

At the moment i've found that fairly low damage

Also, uh.

I think this might tip the scales ever so slightly

[heavy hound]

Yeah might be worth it, if you tried it earlier for the unarmed attack keep in mind that for monk, it starts as a d4, but it goes up to 1d8 at level 11

[night oracle]

Right. I'm still level 8 though so i figure it might be something i'll change later

[heavy hound]

So it does somewhat scale

It's 1d6 at the point you are at

[night oracle]

Apparently the ||Spear of Selune|| seems to be the most suggested item for my build. But I think i'm heading to the ||Towers|| after this quest sooooo not too far off

[heavy hound]

Lemme check whatever I did with the hireling monk I cooked up and literally never used in my playthrough

If the save isn't broken

It's taking a while but also I'm loading the game up while having Armored Core paused in the background so I'll cut some slack if it explodes

I'm asking a lot

loaded up the wrong save so now to do this again

[sweet moat]

I'm so sorry you're having a rough time Merc... hugs

[heavy hound]

Yeah I did nothing special, I just put together a decent AC build that wouldn't flop immediatly in case I wanted to go around with it

Using unarmored defense, bracer of defense and this armor

Dex based monk

If I wanted to update it and use a weapon I'd probably get the one you get in act 3 at the end of Shadowheart quest, to switch to STR, and get the tavern brawler feat

Said weapon:

(to post the weapon here I tried to drag it from the game to discord, my brain is broken)

[desert dove]

Hit level 6, made it to the creche but... I have no idea how to get inside. Instead, I ||killed some drunk kobolds and some demon-rat things I can't remember how to spell their name||.

However, since I took Lae'zel in, she now wants to bed me.

[night oracle]

Lae'zel oddly enough seems to be the easiest to bed

[sweet moat]

It took me a while to figure out how to get in too. There is a path, but it's hidden ||in that little rocky alcove behind the kobold's wine cellar.|| Go there, and it should lead you up to the roof, and from the roof you can get in.

Oops, wrong message

Thought it was one singular message. Damn it Discord, you got me again.

[desert dove]

I went up there, but couldn't actually find a way in. I'll poke around again tomorrow.

Also, once the Mac version of BG3 is out, I'll never stop playing because I can play on my laptop.

[heavy hound]

I don't remember how I got in actually

I remember it being annoying

[sweet moat]

There's a door on the roof that leads to some very roundabout way to getting in. Like I said, it's confusing and quite hidden.

Also, make sure you're not selling those ceremonial weapons you find lying around. There's a puzzle that involves them. I won't tell you how to solve it, but some classic D&D investigative/observational skills should be enough. :P

[desert dove]

Yeah, I opened a couple doors up there, I'll just have to explore. And thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye out.

[night oracle]

[desert dove]

[night oracle]

[sweet moat]

Welp, I'm sorry to say that after much deliberation, I've decided to uninstall BG3 and wait until a LOT more patches have been released, not just one. If Merc's experience is anything to go by, downloading the first patch for me may also corrupt all my saves, and almost 70 hours of work will simply go up in demoralizing smoke. Even if it's a small chance, it's a chance I'd rather not take. Besides, I've wanted to start a second playthrough with a better character anyway. At least this way it will be on my own terms. BG3 is a fantastic but clearly unfinished game, and I'd rather my future playthroughs not be marred by horrendous bugs and endless crashes.

Besides, the game is simply becoming far too big for my computer at the moment. My storage is full, and it's taking up almost 130 GB, plus the 2 GB of patch 1 (and likely more numerous patches of similar size to follow). I need something much beefier and with better storage than my laptop.

So yeah...this is the end of my first playthrough. It was very fun, and I hope to do it again soon.

[desert dove]

Fair. I have a feeling this patch hit people in Act II and Act III the hardest. Probably fixed stuff in those acts but, if you were past that point, broke the saves.

[night oracle]

I guess I'm lucky i've been taking it fairly slow and haven't encountered anything game breaking

||Thisobald Thorm|| fight. Glad I swapped out Halsin and got Karlach back...

[sweet moat]

Oh, that guy...yeah, that was a tricky fight. Positioning is everything in that one.

[quick bobcat]

Or you can just... convince him to kill himself

Like the rest of the bosses there

[sweet moat]

I mean, you could, but it's kinda more fun to fight him.

[night oracle]

I kinda snuck upstairs and didn't even talk to him

[night oracle]

Okay damage is higher than I thought.

But this is what i'm doing with the weapons. When I do an action attack, it swings them both and automatically uses the bonus action. Then as a melee i do get the second attack too

[heavy hound]

You can click on the icon with the two swords under the weapons

That way it only does the main swing

And then you can decide to do the 2nd swing or something else with your bonus action

[night oracle]

Ah!

[kindred talon]

it's funner to talk them to death, then turn to your companions and go "I'm a diplomat"

[night oracle]

[night oracle]

https://twitter.com/BeneceaDraws/status/1692593374136512895

💜 Bene 💜 WaterCon Bremen (@BeneceaDraws)

They got caught ⚡️

#BG3 #baldursgate #astarion #ShadowHeart

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Twitter · Aug 18, 2023, 5:44 PM

[night oracle]

I'd ask if ||Wyll needs to be there to save the asset|| but i figure that's part of finding out after you're done with that quest...

[desert dove]

https://youtu.be/epNn_W3bWL4?si=USlxewxbq4To2Nuy

[desert dove]

Just had a 99 mb patch download, no notes that I've found yet.

[night oracle]

Might be a crash fix? Worth trying @quick bobcat

[quick bobcat]

It better be

[night oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15yhw60/all_of_astarions_reactions_re_death_by_solar_lance

Act 2 spoilery stuff

I never have him in this playthrough 'cause i find him a bit too smarmy for my group, but dear god the performance of this man is amazing

[heavy hound]

He is so sassy, I love him

[quick bobcat]

unfortunately I don't get to see any of that sassiness because I'm playing AS him

[heavy hound]

||“Well, apparently there’s a limit. Somewhere between a nice summers day and the full concentrated power of the SUN!”||
This is excellent

[quick bobcat]

and none of it translates into the dialog choices since they're kind of generic

[heavy hound]

Sadly

[quick bobcat]

I wish they rewrote all the dialog choices to be in your main character's style, but so that they still retain their meaning

that would be great

[heavy hound]

I have a question, did your Gale ever die, and if he did, did you follow the procedure?

[night oracle]

Mine did, I tried but i kept getting damage while trying to loot him (though I think I didn't think of opening his inventory from the group panel). Or if I did, the item didn't work or something?

Then I just said fuck that and used a scroll

[quick bobcat]

I saw the thing, but it was after I tried to jump into the underdark from the spider cave so my entire party died except one person

so I had to reload anyway

[night oracle]

[desert dove]

I had Gale die and saw his ||magical message||, but that was a TPK so I didn't even get to watch the entire dialog before the game fully reloaded.

[heavy hound]

If you ever go through it, keep in mind, the proceedure seems extremely dumb and convoluted, but it literally all works

I love how dumb the whole thing is, it's all so Gale

[night oracle]

Yeah it was like 10 instructions to follow

https://www.tiktok.com/@thisisdevo/video/7270528548467641633 Lae'zel VA reading tweets as her

[quick bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/161jp30/now_i_am_become_48_ac_destroyer_of_bounded/

[desert dove]

Damn

[granite thorn]

https://twitter.com/alionabaranova1/status/1695224286015844622
I don't know if this has been shared yet but an interesting tweet thread about voice actors

Aliona Baranova (@alionabaranova1)

1/🧵 BG3 thread alert

i’d like to clarify a few things about the dialogue recording process that went into making Baldur’s Gate 3, while i have peoples attention.

Firstly: for almost ALL the dialogue we recorded we ALSO captured the actors mocap data

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[desert dove]

Random thoughts on stuff I want added to the game:

Aberrant Sorcerer subclass (would fit the game really well)

Playble races:

• Goblin
• Githzerai (piss off Lae'zel from the beginning!)
• Hobgoblin
• Kobold
• Tabaxi (probably won't happen)

[desert dove]

Oh that's awesome

[granite thorn]

https://vxtwitter.com/MothNessMonster/status/1695240720813363211

[quick bobcat]

Wow there's actually so many creative non-combat ways for a lot of combat encounters
https://youtu.be/s-VDP9g01_8

I didn't know you could poison the entire front yard of the goblin camp by mixing in poison into the beer and then getting them all to drink it

[night oracle]

[sweet moat]

For me, I'd love to have Genasi, Aarakocras (imagine the flight capabilities!), Aasimars (seriously, why aren't they in there?), Firbolgs, Shifters, Goblins, and Kobolds.

[quick bobcat]

aasimar would be too op though

[sweet moat]

How so?

[quick bobcat]

aren't they immortal?

and have wings?

[sweet moat]

They are not immortal (only up to 160 years or so), and the wings are temporary buffs that only last a minute

They're basically humans that have a little bit of Celestial blood in them, but they're not actual angels or demigods.

[exotic pelican]

I want kobold to be a playable race. That would be an amusing playthough.

[sweet moat]

Saaaaaaame

[quick bobcat]

heh, that's not actually the case in bg3

[sweet moat]

Kobolds are the pranksters and Discords of the D&D multiverse

[quick bobcat]

how far have you gotten GT?

[sweet moat]

I made it to the town in Act 2, beat a couple of the minibosses there, but hadn't yet gone into Moonrise Towers.

[exotic pelican]

At least we got one funny kobold with a hat in the game. And those drunken kobolds in act 2.

[sweet moat]

And if BG3 changes a few things about Aasimars, then that's another thing that Larian homebrewed, along with a good chunk of the combat system and a fair bit of the spells and almost all of the feats to some degree.

[heavy hound]

The one Aasimar ||in Act 2 also happens to be the daughter of a goddess, and most of the stuff comes from the latter part||

[quick bobcat]

ah so it's a special case?

[quick bobcat]

not all aasimars are like that?

[sweet moat]

No

[heavy hound]

Yeah generally Aasimar are counterparts to Tieflings

[quick bobcat]

ah

[heavy hound]

They have a celestial influence but are otherwise mortals

[sweet moat]

They're also pretty popular in their own right (though nowhere near as popular as Tieflings). It's strange that they weren't included in this game.

[quick bobcat]

still though, gaining flight for 10 turns sounds pretty op

as a racial ability

of course there's spells for this, but they use slots

[sweet moat]

That could be homebrewed into something far more balanced for the game, yes.

[quick bobcat]

even if it's like per long rest, that's quite strong

[heavy hound]

Aarakocras have flight, always, even tho it's essentially the only thing they have from their race

I don't think they'll ever be in the game tho, that'd break too much stuff

[quick bobcat]

bird people?

[sweet moat]

Yeah

I know they'll never be in, but I want them in.

[quick bobcat]

I wonder how they chose which races to include and which not to include

[heavy hound]

The two things they get is flight and natural weapons as unarmed attacks

[sweet moat]

They make excellent ranged rogues and rangers.

[heavy hound]

I think they just adapted everything from the Player Handbook

With some extra variants on top

[quick bobcat]

what's the player handbook?

[heavy hound]

As far as races go

Basically the manual you buy when you want to start playing D&D with your friends

[quick bobcat]

ah

[sweet moat]

https://dnd.wizards.com/products/rpg_playershandbook

[quick bobcat]

so basically they just added the default races?

does the handbook not include all the other ones that were mentioned?

[heavy hound]

Essentially, even tho they put in the variants for tieflings for example, which aren't in the handbook but were added later

[sweet moat]

Thing is, the Player's Handbook does not have all the races that we just mentioned. Most of those came afterwards.

[quick bobcat]

ah

[heavy hound]

But yeah, all the races mentioned came in other books after the fact

[sweet moat]

Thing is though, the Githyanki weren't in the Player's Handbook either.

[heavy hound]

Oh right

Forgot about that

They were relevant to the story tho so it makes sense

[quick bobcat]

yeah, I was about to say that

they play a big part in the story

[sweet moat]

Yeah, but it still means that Larian can use other sources if they wanted to.

[heavy hound]

I am a bit sad we have no gnome/dwarf/halfling Origin
We do have a lack of short people

[quick bobcat]

I think dragonborn look so ugly, especially compared to DOS2's lizards

I loved lizards in DOS2

[heavy hound]

I disagree, I think Dragonborn look incredible in this game

[quick bobcat]

they have a fantastic design

[heavy hound]

If I wasn't playing a character I made in another D&D campaign I'd have made a dragonborn as the first character

Especially for Sorcerers dragonborn that you get to mix the two draconic bloodline

It looks so cool

[quick bobcat]

they just look way too chonky, I dunno how to explain

[sweet moat]

I also have to disagree, the Dragonborn look awesome, it's just that the mocap for them isn't the greatest because, you know, lizard head rather than human head.

[quick bobcat]

I dunno how to explain this, but DOS2 lizards look slick and elegant and just really cool, while DND dragonborn just look.. awkward and chonky

and goofy

[heavy hound]

I don't remember the DOS2 lizards so I can't compare, I just really like the DB designs in BG3

I think they are like the coolest race of the bunch

And I'm not even a furry

A playthrough of DOS2 is in the cards once this season of games do chill a smidge tho, so I'll compare then

[sweet moat]

But yes, I feel like there's waaaaaay too many half-elves and humans in the Origin group. I feel like Asterion being an Aasimar would've been waaaaay cooler if they had them in the game, and Gale could've easily been a Halfling or Gnome.

Idk, it just feels like they made the Origin group as boring aesthetics-wise as possible (barring Karlach). Most D&D groups I see online have a mixture of classic fantasy and batshit crazy fantasy when it comes to character designs.

[heavy hound]

I think Astarion is fine as it is, he alrady has the ||Vampire|| thing going and that would have complicated things too much IMO
I 100% agree with Gale tho, ||halfling Gale that banged the goddess of magic would have been hilarious||

[granite thorn]

my D&D chars are fun
one is literally a robot in power armour, the other is a robot made of basically scrap metal

not in BG3 tho obviously

[sweet moat]

Ahhhh, Warforged or Autognome. :P

Two of the coolest races in D&D, imo

[granite thorn]

the power armour is warforged, the other is a homebrewed race from crystalpunk called soulfueld

[sweet moat]

How about Genasi then for Asterion? Maybe Air or Earth?

Idk, he just feels....boring as a half-elf, especially since there's already a half-elf in the group with Shadowheart.

[heavy hound]

Ehh, if anything Astarion I would have made less special inot a human, he is already exotic by itself

||Special race + vampire screams way too much like black and red alicorn||

Which works for a PC since they are special, but as a character that has to blend in the world since they can be a NPC is a bit much

[sweet moat]

I think everyone is already well aware that he's a vampire, Gen.

It's literally on all of the promotional images for the game that he has little fangs and blood leaking from his lip.

[heavy hound]

Yeah true, very used to put stuff in spoilers

[sweet moat]

Same.

Alright, fair point though

How about Shadowheart being a Shifter or a Changeling?

[heavy hound]

That'd work as a secret she keeps for for a large part of the game, that said IDK if it'd work with the rest of her story

[sweet moat]

Does it need to?

Technically, you can change the Dark Urge character into anything you want. They don't need to be a white Dragonborn.

[heavy hound]

That said, IDK if I'd like Shadowheart specifically, but given how the game is staunchingly progressive, putting changeling as the ultimate nonbinary fantasy race in one of the origins would have been cool

[sweet moat]

Would've pissed off all the bigots even more, and would've made her one of the BEST characters for LGBT players to play/romance.

[heavy hound]

It would have been cool to explore their identity

And the way they see it given they can literally change it on an action

[sweet moat]

Maybe the tadpole would start interfering with her shape-changing abilities, causing her to almost drop her half-elf disguise at several key and unwelcome moments. Idk why she would be hiding, but it'd make for some good drama.

Or...they/them?

[eternal hawk]

In the files they originally planned to allow you to remove the tadpools as soon as Act 1, there was even an alternate power system.

[heavy hound]

I don't think I'd like Shadowheart with it but it's definitely an Origin I'd have liked to see regardless.
Or just a race that you can play and explore those questions yourself

[sweet moat]

Oooooh, I just thought of something

Wyll as a Changeling

The original Wyll might've died, and a Changeling took up his mantle somehow without Mizora knowing it

[heavy hound]

Wyll is complicated because of who his father is, he is kinda locked into being someone.

Those characters have already so much going on that I can't see them complicated any more than they already are personally.
But that's another story it'd be interesting to see on a less complicated background

There is enough drama to make a story just about that element

[sweet moat]

But Changeling!Wyll might not know all of Wyll's secrets or mannerisms, and while they get it right most of the time, at some point it all just falls apart completely. They could reuse Wyll's original backstory from EA (him being a fraud) and frame it completely differently.

Wyll is complicated because of who his father is, he is kinda locked into being someone.

Not necessarily. The Changeling aspect can fool Wyll's father long enough for him to implant himself as his father's son.

[eternal hawk]

There's a lot of signs to there being a Definitive Edition down the road, unlike a lot of cut content in games everything in the files are largely complete, art, full voice lines and such.

It really looks like they ran out of time to script it all together and debug.

[heavy hound]

Like, if you take away the Warlock aspect, and make Wyll just be the son of the Archduke, and halfway you learn that he is a changeling, his father knows, and he's just there because his father misses his dead son and can't let this changeling go, and Wyll thinks he is helping him but in reality it's just making things worse for both of them.

This codependant relationship that they both have to learn to grown into a more healthy stage, I'd love to see

But then again, IDK if I'd like to see it with Wyll, i think there is enough meat there to just be his own character

[quick bobcat]

here's a DOS2 lizard for comparison

another cool thing about DOS2 lizards is that they have soooooo much variation

whereas BG3 dragonborn all look roughly the same

divinity lizards have dozens of different head designs and small body details

which makes each lizard feel actually unique

[heavy hound]

That's cool.

As for variation dragonborn do have a lot of customisations of ridges and thingies around the face so the possibility to customise them is there

They do feel like lizard people vs dragon people tho, the BG3 dragonborn is what I imagine when I think of dragonborn

And in large part it might be because I play D&D for a long time, but the chonk is kinda what I came to expect

[quick bobcat]

oh yeah, I guess that does make sense. I've been comparing them like apples to apples even though it's more of a apples to oranges compariosn

[quick bobcat]

ah, see, since I came from DOS2 I kinda came to like their slim and elegant appearance more which is possibly what puts me off about dragonborn

[heavy hound]

There are D&D lizardfolk too, even tho they tend to be pretty chonk too

If they are implemented I'd like to see them made in DOS2 tho

It's kinda the extension of adapting what was mostly meant to be an enemy type

The more unique reptilian in D&D is probably the kobold anyway

[quick bobcat]

kobolds are reptiles?

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu09iEnY-Ug

[heavy hound]

Tiny lizard people

They are a fan favourite enemy, here is 3 kobolds in a trenchcoat

[quick bobcat]

heh

they look very goofy

[heavy hound]

They are very goofy, even in BG3 you meet them drunk as hell in the monastery

[quick bobcat]

there's a ridiculous amount of customizations, yeah

also god, divinity's music is just amazing even the menu music

[heavy hound]

They tend to serve dragons, especially red dragons, which is why it made a lot of sense for them to having gathered where the Ghitianki had a creche

[quick bobcat]

oh

[heavy hound]

They tend to play the role of incompetent and lazy lackeys in stories, but can actually be pretty ferocious

They fight generally by preparing rudimentary but clever traps and swarming the enemy once they fall for one

[quick bobcat]

I loved that little scene in the creche ||where they all got drunk and then one came out, just fell over and passed out||

[sweet moat]

Some are even hiding in barrels, not giving a shit that you just killed their fellows. Theyr're happily lapping up their weight in alcohol and burping to their hearts' content.

[quick bobcat]

oh yeah lol, I kill all of them and then I hear slurping from one of the barrels

[sweet moat]

There's actually like 4 of them hiding in barrels, iirc

I was dying of laughter during that fight

Even funnier, for some strange reason one of them began running into a side room, and all the rest of them ganged up on him, murdered him, and then turned their attention towards me.

To this day I have no idea why they did that.

[night oracle]

DOS2's Menu music is one of my favorite game themes ever

[quick bobcat]

DOS2's entire OST is one of the best game OSTs ever imo

it's just that good

BG3 doesn't even come close imo

[night oracle]

It's been a while so i can't remember others

[quick bobcat]

I can confidently say now that I've been through 5/6ths of the game

[night oracle]

BG3's only theme that I can really note/pay attention to is the camp music

[quick bobcat]

honestly the music in BG3 feels very very lacking

[night oracle]

I wouldn't say lacking, just not distinctive

[quick bobcat]

a lot of reused and repeated songs and they're all kind of forgettable

[sweet moat]

BG3's music is awesome too, but it's missing that hectic bounce and umph that D:OS 2 had.

Well, except for this one. This one is epic and very distinctive as a battle theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZWC6Lx1MQ

[quick bobcat]

but whenever I play DOS2 I literally can't help but just bop to some of the songs in-game

or just leave the main menu on for a bit because it just slaps

[sweet moat]

The above song captures the chaos and darkness inherent of D&D, while retaining that bounciness and power from D:OS 2, and I love it. I wish all battle themes in BG3 had a similar feel.

[quick bobcat]

oh it's pretty cool alright, but it doesn't have the same energy as DOS2

or maybe not energy, but melody?

feel?

idk

[sweet moat]

It doesn't need the same melody, it has its own, and it's a good one

But then you get to all the other battle melodies, and it's so...dry. They're good, but just...dry. I don't know how else to explain it.

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WegQy3aUo-Y and then you get this

I kinda understand the feel of the setting through this

[quick bobcat]

this one always gives me goosebumps

nah tbh almost every song from DOS2 is just magnificent and extremely beautiful in its own way

[exotic pelican]

Deekin is best kobold

[sweet moat]

That choir is just...

[quick bobcat]

pick any song from the OST and chances are, it's a banger

I especially love lohse's theme song "sing for me"

[night oracle]

[sweet moat]

This is my favorite combat theme from D:OS 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kytFwZxeI8Y

This is what I mean by "hectic bounce".

[night oracle]

Ohhh right that one

I'd forgotten all about it

[sweet moat]

It's iconic

[quick bobcat]

YES

god this slaps

another thing that is actually astonishing is that there's like 4 variations of this theme (and many others too) that dynamically switch when you swap characters

[sweet moat]

Yup!

[quick bobcat]

but the one you linked is my favorite version

[sweet moat]

I have the cello version for my main character right now.

[quick bobcat]

you can't deny that beast's theme has absolutely insane energy too

it's so good

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmzBLzoI7Ck the one at the very start, that's the theme I'll remember most of BG3

[sweet moat]

Yeah, I love that tune from BG3. It's very relaxing and beautiful

[night oracle]

It's also slightly haunting, I feel?

Again, this is the theme i feel makes me understand the world

[quick bobcat]

this is the one I mean, it goes hard https://youtu.be/fvyx7vZy13E

[night oracle]

I can't remember a single note of any other piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntb6DX2-jU0 ah, it's an instrumental version of another piece

[quick bobcat]

I can't remember a single melody from BG3 save for maybe the main theme

[sweet moat]

It's a great song, thing is, I don't really use Beast as a character. The Red Prince is simply better as a fighter and tank. :/

[quick bobcat]

but all of the best DOS2 songs are lodged in my brain forever just because of how catchy and energetic they are

[quick bobcat]

oh yeah, I don't really like him either

same with Ifan, he's way too boring

my party is always lohse (best imo!), fane, red prince and sebille

[sweet moat]

Still, I think you do hear this theme at some point in the game, even without Beast in your party, so it's all good. :P

I actually use Ifan as my main character because he's already a ranger-type character, and I like his voice actor.

And he's got a decent theme too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ANxTOG_Xk

Seriously, that flute is epic.

[quick bobcat]

oh yeah, that's a great one

[night oracle]

[quick bobcat]

clearly the best origin character theme song is Lohse's though https://youtu.be/szKQiAMeWXE

[sweet moat]

The first comment under Ifan's theme is actually pretty great:

I love the flow of this song and how it reflects Ifan’s story.

It starts off lighthearted, flute based, and full of levity. Ifan as a Paladin.

Then it gets a bit more serious and drum-filled- Ifan as he races the clock to arrive before the deathfog, and save the elves. But he fails. And he is broken by it. He leaves his vows behind, and becomes a brutal assassin. But there’s still that kernel of goodness in him.... beneath the layers of murderous grime.

But at 1:48, that’s when Rhalic tells him- Don’t you remember what made you join the Crusaders? You’re better than this. And the greatest part? He is.

[quick bobcat]

it hits extra hard when you finally complete her storyline and she sings it right then and there

[sweet moat]

Man, hearing this after you defeat the thing inside her head was sooooo badass, heartwarming, and satisfying.

My party will always be Ifan, Lohse, Fane, and the Red Prince. Perfect mix of combat and storytelling right there.

[quick bobcat]

aw, no love for sebille?

[sweet moat]

Ifan calls the shots (literally) and is the sniper, the Red Prince is the scholarly muscle and heavy-hitting tank, Lohse is the healer and bard, and Fane is the wise-cracking battlemage.

[quick bobcat]

I always felt like Ifan is kinda boring, his storyline is the shortest and you don't even need him to do it

[sweet moat]

I don't like Sebille's cannibalism (makes me kinda queasy), and I also feel like her story is the weakest: she was enslaved and now she wants revenge.

And her skillset just isn't that useful. It's nothing that can't already be covered by everyone else.

[quick bobcat]

well all elves are cannibals

also her racial skills like adrenaline are actually very very strong

or was that a class skill?

[night oracle]

Wasn't she a rogue?

I remember them being fairly strong

[quick bobcat]

or wait no, that one that lets you hurt yourself but gain more action points or something

I don't remember very well at this point

she was a rogue, yes, and she's actually quite strong

[sweet moat]

I always preferred Ifan's wayfarer/ranger style, where he can jump from place to place and have immense long-range sniping damage.

[quick bobcat]

ah right, I looked it up, her adrenaline and flesh sacrifice skills are the ones that are very powerful

[desert dove]

I left out Aasimar because WotC has never figured out what they want them to be. This video does a good job summing up the current 5e version & why it's a bit... muddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyvajvK7tMg

Not sure I entirely like his solution, but it's at least interesting and tries to give them a unified theme.

[desert dove]

Oh that's what that noise was.

[quick bobcat]

I just realized that astarion is like the male version of rarity, if rarity was a vampire

[night oracle]

Well yeah

[heavy hound]

He has a lot of Rarity energy

Strong agree

[night oracle]

Shockingly almost no BG3 art on derpibooru

https://www.deviantart.com/limedazzle/art/BG-3-Shadowheart-978605505 except one Shadowpone

[quick bobcat]

Ooh cool!

I prefer shadowheart's alternate hairstyle though, I think it looks much better on her

[kindred talon]

I think the biggest problem with the dragonborn in BG3 is that LS probably had limitations on how far they could take the design.

[desert dove]

He's the Nightmare Moon Rarity.

[desert dove]

They're very accurate to D&D's depiction. Other than tails. For some reason they gave in to the folks who wanted Dragonborn to have tails, but not the folks who wanted ||tiddies||.

[heavy hound]

I do think it looks silly so I don't mind that much

Besides the game isn't ||tits|| deficent

[kindred talon]

that's what I mean though. The tails are a clear deviation from the 'dragonborn' and it wouldn't surprise me if they had to fight for it

[heavy hound]

Honestly I don't think there is a single D&D group who doesn't homebrew tails

Or rather, a single good D&D group that doesn't

[quick bobcat]

hm, tails for ||tiddies||. Unfair trade

though lizards aren't mammals anyway so it wouldn't make any sense

[night oracle]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYGlcvZrJsm/?img_index=1 also this one

couldbeworsecomic

More lizard mammaries, some guy really failed his insight check though...

#couldbeworse #comic #lizardmen #lizardman #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #bard #fantasy

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[quick bobcat]

[heavy hound]

Everytime I inquired about tails in every group I've been the reaction has always been "wait, they don't? That's dumb"

Either that or indifference

[kindred talon]

the problem with dragonborn is that they were created to tap into that sweet, sweet furry demograph, and the furries can't afford your expensive handbooks and just intrepreted them as anthro dragons with tails and boobs and so forth

[heavy hound]

Literally none thinks they look cooler without, at most they don't care

[quick bobcat]

yeah it definitely makes a LOT of sense for them to have tails

[kindred talon]

as is tradition

[quick bobcat]

a lot more than boobs at least

[sweet moat]

I've seen a very different version of this comic...and not even the one posted just below it, that one's new to me too.

[night oracle]

Do tell?

[sweet moat]

It's a little too saucy for Manechat

[night oracle]

DM it!

[sweet moat]

Aaaaaalrighty then

[night oracle]

I think i've seen three versions, just not sure which you're talking about

[heavy hound]

Away

[sweet moat]

I wasn't gonna post it here Gen, lol.

[heavy hound]

It's not a big deal since we know both of you aren't undrerage but keep in mind that publicly asking "DM me the porn" is something we are very attentive at not normalising in the server because that's how you get horny 15 years old asking to be DMd porn

Which is something we don't want in the server

In short, kids ruing everything, please be wary

[jaunty basin]

good thing there are no kids in this thread

[heavy hound]

Yeah just making people aware that if this was in mane I'd have deleted the message

[jaunty basin]

I was also going for sarcasm since it's not like we could ever know

[heavy hound]

Probably there aren't my guess is, the game has tiddies and there is math in it

Some at least

[night oracle]

After seeing it, it's not actually even porn

[polar seal]

And also, people under 18 definitely play M-rated games and watch R-rated movies. You'd be naive to think otherwise, lol

[desert dove]

We know. But we can't have it publicly happening on Manechat, because we don't want shut down.

[sweet moat]

Sorry, I suppose I shouldn't have said anything.

For what it's worth, it was merely a slightly more suggestive edit to the comic above which I felt would still be a little much despite it being relatively harmless, nothing more than that.

[night oracle]

Shadowheart's ingame camp clothes are saucier than the comic

[sweet moat]

Aaaaaaanyway, someone made the artifact IRL: https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/161jk4n/mysterious_artifact_i_made/

...Nice one Discord.

[night oracle]

[heavy hound]

That's pretty incredible

[sweet moat]

Oooo, lights up too!

That'd make for an excellent night light

[night oracle]

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1545270321/shadowheart-mysterious-artifact-baldurs seems they put up an stl. Not sure about the legality of that tho

[desert dove]

I'm hoping Larian doesn't care, and WotC doesn't find out.

Bought it. Will have to have my husband print it for me later.

Auuuuugh, I made the mistake of playing around in the character creator, and fell in love with this dragonborn lady I made. Now I want to start over, but that'll put me so far behind.

[quick bobcat]

masque is having more fun with the character creator than the game itself

[desert dove]

I can't focus today, everything in my brain is just aaaaaaaaa

[quick bobcat]

that's not such a bad thing

I mean that you're enjoying creating new characters

not that uhhh you can't focus

[desert dove]

Fair

[night oracle]

Pics or it didn't happen!

[desert dove]

I'm not sure how to get a good pic of her.

[night oracle]

Aw

[desert dove]

Best I could do, from the Inventory screen

[night oracle]

Looks like female dragonkind don't have the GIGANTOHUGE heads of males

[desert dove]

They can, it's a face option. The horns also have a big impact. I went with slim horns + frill to make her more elegant looking.

... she's failed two Investigate rolls in a row.

[night oracle]

🐲

[desert dove]

Okay, so I pushed a button on the Nautiloid that I avoided last time and holy fuck

[night oracle]

These names

[night oracle]

...I feel like I recognize ||Ketheric Thorm's|| voice

...Huh. Not who I expected it to be.

[exotic pelican]

I wonder if he has a problem with lemons

[desert dove]

Okay, I adore her eyes, glad I chose those

[night oracle]

Damnit Astarion

[desert dove]

I picked the same Background, so I think he and I are gonna get along juuuuuust fine.

[night oracle]

I'm gonna do a Bard Dark Urge play at some point and just go full evil. Astarion's definitely in the group

[desert dove]

My Dark Urge is going to be a Great Old One Warlock, I just haven't decided if I'm going Drow or Gith

[night oracle]

So I learned that there was a 6 tiered exhaustion meter/debuff on characters in bg3. Which is why they sometimes complain about needing to rest

So glad they removed that

[heavy hound]

Yeah it's why the berserker isn't actually a terrible spec for barbarian now

You were supposed to get one level of exaustion whenever you end a frenzy on berserker

Which absolutely destroy your character performance at like 2 or 3 stacks

[night oracle]

Oof

What is this, a ||council for rats?||

[kindred talon]

I can tell you, if you want

[night oracle]

Naw, just amused at how well they're positioned

[desert dove]

Oof, that reminds me, I need to find a way for my Sorcerer to get speak with animals.

[kindred talon]

so

apparently you can trade with volo and he has a lot of potions

[night oracle]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xZWW9sWVJo|| so back to the "dropping a building on astarion" thing... just have a look at the upper left corner as he composes himself

[kindred talon]

it's weirdly not a dialogue option but there's the icon in the lower left corner that you click to bring up the trade menu

[kindred talon]

I think I just robbed someone

[night oracle]

So i'm seeing some people call their MC "Tav". What's this all about?

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPTzx-M-_mo

[heavy hound]

It's the deafult name if you don't input anything

So it's the nickname for all player PCs in the community

[night oracle]

Ooh

[desert dove]

Yeah, instead of randomly assigning a name, any Custom character is just named Tav.

[night oracle]

[desert dove]

Oooh, I knew that destroying chests didn't ruin loot. Because I accidentally blew up a bunch of chests killing some Duergar at the Forge, and loot was scattered everywhere.

Good to know that skipping combat by talking your way out of the fight rewards the same XP as killing the mobs, so there's no reason to fight if you can avoid it.

[night oracle]

[sweet moat]

TIL that Shadowheart's VA is LGBT.

[desert dove]

That's adorable.

[kindred talon]

this necromancy of thay quest was very long and involved many harrowing saving throws for not a particularly useful reward

[desert dove]

The Act 1 quest or the Act III quest?

Act 1 is kinda neat, but from what I understand the Act III quest ... yeah, the rewards aren't worth the effort. It's more RP than anything useful.

[kindred talon]

it's basically all one quest

[desert dove]

Right, but after you "unlock" the book in Act I, you can do one of three things & be done with it:

1. Give it Astarion, which makes him happy & Gale unhappy
2. Give it to Gale, which makes him happy & Astarion unhappy
3. Destroy it with Radiant magic, which makes your good-aligned characters happy, but Astarion & Gale unhappy (also ||spawns some undead shades, so be ready for a fight||).

You only need to hang onto the book if you want to do the Act III stuff.

[kindred talon]

you can read it actually in act 1 but you need help to read it fully (that's what I did)

the reward is ||Danse Macabae(sp?) a level 5 necromancy spell that summons 4 ghouls. It'd be useful if NPCs didn't all freak out at the sight of summons/wild shapes. Some people might find npcs running around screaming or trying to shoo them away fun, but it's annoying when you're trying to interact with the npcs||

this kind of makes it doubly useless in a dense city

[heavy hound]

Summons get annoying I chapter 3 largely for that reason, that said, once you enter in the fighting area of which there are a good number of, they are still pretty useful

So I usually wait to summon until I start fighting through a relatively large area

[quick bobcat]

I wish they gave you an option to hide summons

[kindred talon]

I would too but the problem with this game is that there's a cost associated with dismissing a summon

[quick bobcat]

You can unchain them from their owners and just leave them standing somewhere so that they don't scare away people

But then when a fight starts it's a PITA to get them to move back to you

[kindred talon]

Like, if I summon an elemental, that's a what? level 4 spell slot? I only have a small number of them, and that's where a lot of really hard hitting spells are, spells I might otherwise want to use. So If I summon the elemental, and then the fight's over and I dismiss it, suddenly I'm wasted a level 4 spell slot without getting the full value out of it

it's not a good exchange

It's possible something like the spell of seeming might work on summons but I suspect that only lasts for 10 rounds or whatever which means recasting it over and over

[heavy hound]

Yeah but the zone to explore is big enough I probably going to rest at the end of it anyway

Besides Act 3 really wants you to rest a lot to move quests along

[kindred talon]

EA has taught me to be wary of constantly long resting

[heavy hound]

No here you have to be wary of not resting enough

[kindred talon]

Because, as you say, it's advancing quests

[heavy hound]

Missing certain events risk to break some quests

[kindred talon]

including quests I might not yet reach

[quick bobcat]

I hate how summons work in this game and I abandoned them completely

[sweet moat]

A shame they don't give you the ability to disguise undead summons somehow.

[quick bobcat]

Even though I usually enjoy summon builds

I just prefer to use other spells now because it's less hassle

[kindred talon]

yeah same

[quick bobcat]

Shame too because some summons are awesome

Especially love those large fire elementals

[kindred talon]

wildshapes are kind of in the same boat really

because npcs react to them too

[heavy hound]

I also often just left the summons in the dungeon I just explored and have them reach me when I start fighting if the summon was worth it
Like when you get to the myrmidonsand shit, or the Cambions and the Deva.

[quick bobcat]

[kindred talon]

mfw my druid turns into a water elemental and uses healing mist and it heals the bad guys too

lol

[quick bobcat]

You can get myrmidons??

[heavy hound]

I wouldn't do it for like for random skeletson, that's way too much of an hassle

Yeah if you upcast the summon elementals to lvl 6

[quick bobcat]

Too bad it's way too fucking annoying to have summons

[heavy hound]

To be honest some of the later summons would probably be worth it even if they just lasted 10 turns

So I wasn't too annoyed when I had to dismiss them when i left the dungeon I was exploring

And also as I said, I rested anyway at the end of it

9 times out of 10

[polar seal]

So here's a silly and unrelated question. I know BG3 isn't within the spirit of what people consider an indie game, but given that it's developed and published by Larion, is it not technically an independent game?

[heavy hound]

I mean, technically so is Diablo 4
Debating the definition of an indie game is a pointless and infinite discussion

[polar seal]

True. It's just amusing to me to think of BG3 as indie, lol

[night oracle]

Indie to me doesn't just mean independent, also it's the size of the studio. Considering that there were what, almost 400 people working on this in multiple studios, that puts it above indie level

[polar seal]

I'd probably go with that definition too, personally

[heavy hound]

Yeah it's a term that comes from cinema I think, where an indipendent production usually means a small and unrelated to big channels production.

If you get big enough you become the big production.

[kindred talon]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to call it an indie game, tbh

if only to annoy the bigger game companies into doing better

Apparently ever line of dialogue wasn't just VA, it was also motion captured? crazy

[heavy hound]

The term for bigger indie productions I've seen is triple I games, but I don't think it did catch on

[desert dove]

I wouldn't consider it an indie game. Larian is basically a AA studio at this point, they're not one of the huge ones, but they're huge compared to an actual indie studio.

[polar seal]

Doing VA and motion cap together makes a lot of sense, really

[desert dove]

Not all of it, the incidental overworld stuff was just voice only. But anything that required facial movement for a cutscene or quickscene got mocap.

[heavy hound]

Yeah Astarion body language can only be explained by motion capture

Someone should inform his VA that he is gay, IDK if he is aware

[desert dove]

https://vxtwitter.com/alionabaranova1/status/1695224286015844622

Astarion & Shadowheart's VAs got particular shout-outs for their expressiveness.

[polar seal]

If you watch behind the scenes footage of VAs in general, they often like to gesticulate as they speak. So combining it with mocap is just plain sensible

[desert dove]

Yeah, really good VAs get into the moment.

Fun fact: Ernie Hudson, who played Winston in Ghostbusters, auditioned for the cartoon The Real Ghostbusters. But because he didn't have voice acting experience, he lost out to another actor.

[kindred talon]

you mean they didn't make a real world Faerun and have the actors run around in it for motion capture while dialoguing? now I know it's an indie studio.

[desert dove]

[desert dove]

https://youtu.be/LZG3s3Q1ND8?si=Ej0c1TelkHtSYxgO

[night oracle]

...God console war people are idiotic. So BG3 will be releasing on Xbox x/s. Couldn't initially because they couldn't get split screen coop working on the weaker S series. After the news release that they'd be dropping split screen coop for that one, one idiot's tweet is saying that PS players are being "handled like 2nd class gamers, like they had to give up their seats on the bus in the 30s, we have to give up our exclusives".

The fucking entitlement, wow.

[desert dove]

Yeah, console bros are another level of dumbass.

[night oracle]

I assume it's a lone opinion but dear god that's an extreme

[heavy hound]

I mean, the game was always slated to come to the Xbox sooner or later

They just made it happen sooner

[night oracle]

Right? Where are they even getting the exclusive part

When it's already on PC too, to boot

[quick bobcat]

I just wanna play the game again

[night oracle]

[kindred talon]

why would you even need two screen coop

[night oracle]

two people playing on the same couch for some ungodly reason

(the actual tweet was phrased somewhat worse. Not full on racist but... heading there)

[sweet moat]

"handled like 2nd class gamers, like they had to give up their seats on the bus in the 30s, we have to give up our exclusives".

Jesus f*cking Christ... 🤮

Comparing that to this.

I have no words

[night oracle]

Right?

[kindred talon]

but it's turn based. You can just play the game single screened. It's not like you have any reason or purpose to splitting the party like that.

[sweet moat]

You can have different characters doing other things while your other characters are engaged in a fight.

That's an easy way to gain free sneak attack damage for rogues, and also an easy way to set up pre-fight ambushes.

[night oracle]

That you could do anyway, but I'd assume it's more for stuff like not limiting both characters to the edge of the visible screen

Like you could be on either end of the nautiloid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bjSanCHlAc

[sweet moat]

And for that to happen sometimes, you'll need split screen because some characters will move far away from the rest.

[heavy hound]

Did the recent patch fix anything on your end?

[sweet moat]

The first major patch of the game broke things entirely for Merc.

[heavy hound]

Yeah I'm asking for the smaller one that they snuck in

[sweet moat]

Crashes upon startup, crashes during gameplay, corrupted saves, etc.

Oh

Didn't know they made a new one

[quick bobcat]

I haven't checked, but they didn't release any patch notes

[heavy hound]

So said Masque at least

I think

Now it makes me wonder if it wasn't just Masque game catching up with something or other

Because i didn't notice that patch myself

[night oracle]

I did

It was about 90mb and it was the day after the big patch?

[sweet moat]

Usually they release patch notes, even for small hotfixes

[heavy hound]

Ok so it wasn't Masque's fever dream

[sweet moat]

Ooooooh

That

[desert dove]

Other people saw the tiny patch, yes. A few said it fixed some crashing bugs, but I never heard anything official.

[night oracle]

Oh my god

[heavy hound]

Someone made a supercut of every companion reactions to this and it's amazing

[night oracle]

I had Karlach's

[heavy hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-5FjK_vEU

[night oracle]

The first one, the irony in what Gale is wearing

[heavy hound]

[night oracle]

Though I didn't think to try it twice

And Astarion just being the best as usual

[kindred talon]

"Stop licking the damn thing!"

[sweet moat]

I love how Karlach doesn't give a hoot and finds the whole thing hilarious, Asterion thinks you're into some kinky shit, and Wyll gives you this trollish "now what have we learned here?" look.

[night oracle]

God damn. Did the assault on ||the towers' lower level. Jaheira's dead, only survivor is quartermaster talli||

[kindred talon]

I've gone full greek. Repeat, I've philosophizing as a socratic level

...what exactly is Zevlor's story?

[sweet moat]

Oooo, love the black scales with gold highlights.

Also, purple eyes gang.

[kindred talon]

purple eyes are superior

[sweet moat]

[kindred talon]

wtf just happened

I'm in the middle of a fight, there's suddenly a conversation and then... more characters jump in?

[kindred talon]

the ||asterion end fight is annoying and I hate it||

[night oracle]

Hmm. Somehow, I could just not see the stairs leading to the ||prison to free the tieflings||. That or the door was locked or something and i avoided that while sneaking in. ||I've then gone to the Nightsong area and am attacking the towers||. I suspect doing it like that without ||freeing them means they are probably dead....||

[kindred talon]

so it turns out the ghouls from the Necromancy of Tray quest are even more useless than I thought

you get 4 of them, but apparently they're not under your control, but rather controlled by the computer

[night oracle]

https://vxtwitter.com/chrissyxchi/status/1695970867304599747

[kindred talon]

Apparently Danae mascabe was massively nerfed in the patch

[sweet moat]

Well, the last bit from Lae'zel kinda shows that they have buried the hatchet, since she would've been the last person to help anyone, least of all Shadowheart.

[desert dove]

The inflection on her voice in that scene implies... she has other reasons for wanting to dig a hole for Shadowheart.

💀

[sweet moat]

...Never mind.

[desert dove]

Well shit, I'm glad I upgraded my CPU a while back. This is an older video, pre-Patch 1, so hopefully things are better but, my old Ryzen 2600 would've been on its knees in Act III

https://youtu.be/e5xe0cy_cAE?si=KKqCzX65Yjh0pU_M

[heavy hound]

There was also a significant memory leak at the time which was at its worst in the city

The performance was okay for about an hour then you had to restart the game

[kindred talon]

yeah

[clear yarrow]

I just got what is both excellent news and a massive callout in one ping:

[sweet moat]

So you can actually have a polyamorous harem in this game now?

A proper one, without them all at each other's throats, I mean.

[granite thorn]

Oh hecc

[glass veldt]

Oh hecc, that's awesome

[kindred talon]

what's the difference between circle of the land and circle of the moon druids?

[heavy hound]

Circle of the moon gives you stronger animal forms and you can turn as a bonus action instead of a full action

[kindred talon]

ahhhhh

[heavy hound]

Circle of the land gives you access to stronger spells

Depending on which land you pick

You can have access to stuff like light lightning or cone of cold which are usually arcane spells reserved to arcane casters

Or haste which is as always, nuts

[kindred talon]

this is why I was having so much trouble I guess

[heavy hound]

It's really about what role you want your druid to cover really

A land druid would probably shapeshift only if it was really needed and focus on casting spells, either strong supporting spells or powerful damage spells

A moon druid probably casts one or two spells, probably a summon or a strong buff, at the start of the fight, and then turns into something and starts hitting things

In my modest opinion right now Land Druids tend to be stronger if nothing else because the magic items in the game are absolutely nuts and when you are shapeshifted you don't get the benefit of most magic items, that said, the large HP pools of some of the summons can definitely help a lot to soak a lot of the damage to little consequence to the druid except maybe being turned back to humanoid and having to transform again

So while maybe they wont do a lot of damage, they can definitely be good sponges

[eternal hawk]

Moon gets elemental forms later too.

[night oracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzl0uJtYIz4

[kindred talon]

Yeah the moon is more what I want from my Druid: a melee fighter with tricks

[kindred talon]

I'm getting real 'we did it patrick, we saved the city' vibes

[kindred talon]

Shadowheart is just cold

[quick bobcat]

would Pillars of Eternity 2 be fun for someone who enjoyed all of Larian's games? How different is it?

It's on sale rn and I'm considering it

[night oracle]

It's a sequel to pillars 1, moreso than DOS 1 and 2 are connected. So i'd say get Pillars 1 first

Of CRPGs I definitely feel it's not as good as Larian's stuff, but it's still good

For example I liked the same dev's "Tyranny" game more than Pillars

[quick bobcat]

oh

[night oracle]

I mean to be fair

There is a synopsis of pillars 1 and so on if you start from 2

And overall pillars 2 is a much better experience than 1 (kinda like how DOS2 is much better than 1) so it's up to you. But it's worth playing the first imo

[quick bobcat]

yeah that's what I was thinking. Pillars 1 doesn't look... that great

[night oracle]

I think for me it was mostly the gameplay? It took me a while to get into it. It's also I think hybrid? I might be remembering wrong though. But it's not so much turn based as it is pausable to allow you to make decisions. Closer to dragon age, i think

Pillars 2 felt a lot smoother

[eternal hawk]

I think I've beaten Pillars 1 twice and remember nothing about it.

Second one is apparently very good but did poorly enough that the third game is now Skyrim like game.

[night oracle]

Third?

[eternal hawk]

Avowed is an upcoming action role-playing video game developed by Obsidian Entertainment and published by Xbox Game Studios. Avowed will take place in the same universe as Pillars of Eternity in the world of Eora.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsF7B6bFuU

[quick bobcat]

[night oracle]

Oh, that

I didn't realize it shared the setting

[heavy hound]

https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1696534057251921949 I didn't expect to start to see changes and tweaks to the characters stories so soon.

Larian Studios (@larianstudios)

Patch 2 is around the corner. It features major performance improvements, many new tweaks & changes, and begins our journey incorporating feedback into Origin Character epilogues, among other major things. Details coming soon.

Twitter · Aug 29, 2023, 2:43 PM

[kindred talon]

neat

hopefully they fix danse macabae

[glossy palm]

No harem is complete without bear

[quick bobcat]

They better make my game work

[night oracle]

https://twitter.com/MattyMakesArt/status/1693376798564729222 Pardon the meme but this is utter perfection

Matty🤖Makes (@MattyMakesArt)

Combat can be hard on some people #BaldurGate3

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Twitter · Aug 20, 2023, 9:37 PM

[sweet moat]

And accurate for all wizards.

No exceptions

[night oracle]

I love how Snowy doesn't need changing to look like Scratch

[kindred talon]

I have to confess I don't really get wizards in D&D. they seem like this weirdly weak class and INT pairs with no one else

[glossy palm]

Wizard is weak at start but is one of the best classes mid to late game

[desert dove]

They're a legacy from the origins of the game. Weak as fuck at the beginning, but damn near godlike once you get into the upper levels.

[glossy palm]

Exactly

[desert dove]

A running joke from the early days of D&D is that Wizards got to cast one spell, and then were the Crossbow class for the rest of the session.

Also, due to only having 1d4 HP at first level, they were constantly threatened by housecats.

[kindred talon]

I guess it depends on where the upper levels are because he still gets completely exhausted after one fight

or dead. or both

that said he's like the only class that can reasonably use a lot of high level spells due to spell sculpting

[desert dove]

Keep him in the back of the formation, preferable stepping out of line of sight after casting, to keep him from getting hit much. use Arcane Recovery to restore one of his higher spell slots.

Honestly, Wizards are hard to play due to the weak build & spell slot mechanics. Sorcerer and Warlock are much easier to manage, they just dont' get the insane variety of spells.

[kindred talon]

yeah

I wish you could downcast

[sweet moat]

Actually, the artificer class in D&D uses INT as their spellcasting ability, and they are waaaaay physically stronger than wizards (although they don't get nearly as many spells). Unfortunately, they're also not in the game (although I really wish they were).

[sweet moat]

1d4 HP at first level

Excuse me wtf.

[eternal hawk]

Wizards can deal a lot of damage and have a lot of utility, BG3 lets you change spells at a whim which makes their toolkit easier to manage.

Some of the subclasses have powerful features.

Divination wizards get to set a dice roll to a number, at level 6 they can do this 3 times per short rest.

Evocation Wizards can turn off friendly fire on their spells, and at level 10 they get to add their int bonus to their damage. Very deadly with magic missle because it adds it to each missile.

2e Wizards if you look at them at level 1 they instantly die. And all they can do is sling rocks at you.

[sweet moat]

Pffffft

[eternal hawk]

However they become unstoppable gods because concentration doesn't exist and they can prebuff and annihilate everything in one turn.

[desert dove]

Yup, it was possible to wind up playing a Wizard with 1 HP at the start of the game in OD&D.

And 4 HP was your max. Plus, no armor allowed.

[sweet moat]

That's still kinda bullshit.

[desert dove]

It was the first real tabletop RPG, they were figuring things out.

[kindred talon]

who could forget the classic scene of gandalf, completely naked, being killed by a house cat

very important to wizard lore in fantasy

[glossy palm]

Yeah. We usually start at level 3 in our campaigns for mostly that reason

[kindred talon]

isn't artificer a really recent addition to the D&D lore? It's not a default 5th edition class, is it?

[glossy palm]

Yeah artificer is the newest class

Its also spawned a lot of memes as it’s basically “fantasy engineer”

[heavy hound]

Wizards are good because of the versatility compared to other arcane classes

[kindred talon]

I just find it very odd that INT is not used anywhere else. You have what? at least two classes per stat for every other stat?

[heavy hound]

Unlike Sorcs and Warlocks they can add spells to their book and build up a much larger arsenal

[glossy palm]

While not official the blood hunter is considered another class

Its the only one they have that isn’t offical on their dnd beyond site

[heavy hound]

Int is used for spellcasting for eldright knights and Arcane Tricksters, as well as for Artificers (which aren't in the game but are also spellcasters)

[sweet moat]

That's the Critical Role class from Campaign 2 (RIP ||Molly||)

[heavy hound]

You usually don't really want to multiclass spellcasters anyway so it doesn't matter that much that they are the only one that use it in the game

[quick bobcat]

Yeah magic missile is so good with evocation wizard

[heavy hound]

In the tabletop they also have the advantage of being able to cast ritual spells from the book without having them prepared, which is a big deal since you need to long rest to prepare spells, unlike in BG3

[quick bobcat]

One thing I like is that you can also learn spells from scrolls

Like I got a very cool spell spell from loroakan's tower which I think is a unique spell scroll, I haven't seen it in anywhere else, but I was able to learn it

[desert dove]

Artificer was introduced in the Eberron campaign setting for D&D 3.5e. It was brought back for Eberron in 4e and 5e, but has never been a core class.

[quick bobcat]

Buy yeah it's really annoying that you can throw out at max like 2 strong spells before resting again

[desert dove]

The original 5e design for the Warlock had it as an INT caster, but playtesting made WotC decide to change it to CHA, because that's what they were in 4e.

[heavy hound]

IDK I feel like every slot 3 and over has decent offesnive capabilities

And the slots 2 and under can be used for utility

[sweet moat]

Well, most people consider the artificer a core class anyway, just like most people agree that Dragonborn have tails and screw WotC for thinking otherwise. :P

[heavy hound]

Like misty step and shit

[desert dove]

Yeah, people are very upset that Artificer is not a core class for the upcoming 2024 edition.

[heavy hound]

And for minor fights the cantrips aren't half bad

[sweet moat]

It...isn't?

The f*ck?

[quick bobcat]

Honestly in the lategame only level 5-6 slots are very impactful

[heavy hound]

A fireball does its job

[desert dove]

Nope. Still the unloved stepchild of D&D.

[quick bobcat]

I do really like magic missile with evocation though

[heavy hound]

Even later on

[quick bobcat]

It's like the only low level spell that stays relevant

But only on a certain subclass

[desert dove]

Honestly, cantrips are fantastic. They're my mainstay of most fights in BG3, especially if you have a Warlock take agonizing blast for their first Invocation at level 2.

[sweet moat]

Just fireball. Just fireball. Just fireball.

Eyyyy, Masque gets it

[desert dove]

Such a classic bit.

[sweet moat]

"What's your point, person within fireball distance?"

[desert dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Gs8WTddI4

[heavy hound]

Like, 28 average damage on an area is good even when you are later in the game

It's not chain lightning level of "delete everyone in this room right NOW" but it's very respectable

[desert dove]

Speaking of, I'm really looking forward to my Storm Sorcerer getting lightning bolt.

[heavy hound]

Especially if you want to be cheeky and you are hasted, cast grease and follow it up with the fireball

For a lvl 1 lvl 3 slots combo

Since you can, since they don't have the 1 spell per turn limit

[sweet moat]

The 1 spell per turn limit is...understandable for balancing reasons, but I still find it very dumb.

[heavy hound]

I mean, this game made me understand why it exists

[sweet moat]

I love it when people figure out combos for stuff

[heavy hound]

There were some lategame fights that hasted gale absolutely triviliased

Stuff like hundreds of damage in an area each turn

[desert dove]

Yup. Certain spell combos let you effectively wipe an entire encounter off the map in one turn. It's called "supernova" in tabletop, where you basically blow all your abilities at once in exchange for massive results.

Of course, like a supernova, you can only do it once.

[night oracle]

[kindred talon]

It’s weird they don’t put it in as a core class

[glass veldt]

[kindred talon]

Probably because they like money

[glass veldt]

This was an aggressive world first. It's a snake parasite. It has never been seen in a human brain before. Or a human. Or a mammal.

And it was still alive and wiggling.