Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer | Manechat | Page 60

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 2:44 AM

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kay are oh oh te sent Marine to octy_SC2 (GC Maze Right Chest)

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kay are oh oh te sent Simple_Key to Wcctnoam (GF Chest)

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kay are oh oh te sent Boss Key (Fire Temple) to FlitterOoT (GF GS Archery Range)

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kay are oh oh te sent Progressive Magic Meter to octyTWW (DMT Freestanding PoH)

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 4:06 AM

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kay are oh oh te sent Go Goggles to ArtiksPKMN (Jabu Jabus Belly Deku Scrub)

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 8:10 AM

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This one is pretty important. What do you need for it? Kratta needs boomerang to unlock the rest of my game

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Thanks for Go Goggles. That gets me a few checks in the sandstorm

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 9:16 AM

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Lets get the sandstorm checks

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Didnt find any progression items!

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 12:25 PM

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Hello

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Let's kill Volvagia

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FlitterOoT sent Progressive Painting Unlock to Ixhat (Fire Temple Volvagia Heart)

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With that, I have all child dungeon rewards, which means I can get the OoT check

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FlitterOoT sent Carry Stone to FlitterGS (Song from Ocarina of Time)

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That's all for OoT until I have Sun's Song

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Carry stone makes it so I can finish golden sun!

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I think

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Here are the requirements for the final dungeon: magma ball, grind, pound, burst, teleport, reveal, blaze, mars star, 56 djinn, cyclone, hover, frost, carry

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:24 PM

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Okay, let's test that theory

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Thanks for Daedalus summon, apple, power bread, hard nut, carry

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@weary lagoon any chance you can find this before I fight the final boss? [Hint]: FlitterGS's Sol Blade is at Route 126 - Swimmer Barry in ArtiksPKMN's World. (not found)

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 1:25 PM

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As soon as someone finds Krattas boomerang and Kratta gets the magma emblem

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Or rather

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:26 PM

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lmao okay I'll do it the hard way

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 1:26 PM

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As soon as someone finds what Ixrec needs to find Krattas boomerang and Kratta gets the magma emblem

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my game is still full BK. The item I got was only 9 checks or so

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:27 PM

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No worries, the hard way is just going through the game and collecting every djinn

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 1:29 PM

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I saw on the sphere tracker that my last sphere is 6 while others are on 20-27 ICANT

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:30 PM

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Your magma emblem is kinda at the beginning of the game

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 1:30 PM

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Well I know where it is

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But its not like Kratta has access to it

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but he did send other people some important items so hopefully ixrec can get the boomerang soon

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:32 PM

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Okay. Let's go through my djinn list

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Bane, Iron, Petra, Geode, Mold, Fog, Sour, Chill, Eddy, Torch, Core, Tinder, Fury, Fugue, Luff, Waft, Gasp, Gale

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 1:35 PM

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Tinder 😳

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 1:42 PM

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I’ll play AHiT soon so hopefully we can pin down what I’m missing

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:46 PM

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Bane needs lift. I got Iron, got Petra. Geode needs lift, Mold needs lift, I got Fog, got Sour, got Chill, Eddy needs lift.

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Torch needs lift, got Core, Tinder needs growth, Fury needs lift, Fugue is in the final dungeon, Luff needs lift, Waft needs Growth, Gasp needs lift, Gale needs lift.

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That's every djinn I can get!

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 1:56 PM

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ok, kratta's Boomerang is in The Illness Has Spread with entrance Time Rift - Bazaar

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pretty sure that's a blue time rift, so I need to complete telescope 1 levels

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 1:58 PM

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Nice

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 2:00 PM

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that's right, The Big Parade wasn't doable until I had Umbrella to flip the switches

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geez that has to be a record for token spawns on this level

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115s left over on Train Rush, nice

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oh right that was also my Milkman Conspiracy unlock

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4eyes

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guess I didn't need anything else after all

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 2:19 PM

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IIIKEEEEEEEE

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 2:19 PM

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I'll do subcon well first since we're so close to clearing the whole telescope anyway

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ok let's do this

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Ixhat sent Boomerang to kay are oh oh te (Act Completion (The Illness has Spread))

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@wet field 🪃

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 2:39 PM

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Let's go Kratta!!!! You can finally save me!!!!!!!!

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 2:49 PM

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Oh let's fucking go

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I'm coming for you artiks!! (after I shower and eat breakfast rdsnrk )

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 2:50 PM

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Ixhat (Team #1) has completed their goal.

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 2:54 PM

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And game over

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This fight is tricky if you don't have enough stuff to build for it

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FlitterGS (Team #1) has completed their goal.

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 2:55 PM

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the graphics in this game dont look very good

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 2:55 PM

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It's a whiteout

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Boss looks like this

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(except normally he has three heads)

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FlitterGS sent Fragile_Greed to Wcctnoam (Magma Rock Interior - 2F - North-East Sluice)
FlitterGS sent Sharp_Shadow to octyKnight (Loho - Item Under Boulder)
FlitterGS sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to kay are oh oh te (Treasure Isle - Depths Back)

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We're now at five outta nineteen games done

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 2:57 PM

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its about to be six once I get this magma emblem

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(after I play through 40% of the game)

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 2:59 PM

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Ape Escape needs [Hint]: FlitterAE's Progressive Water Net is at Ever Grande City - Elite Four Drake in ArtiksPKMN's World. (not found)
[Hint]: FlitterAE's Super Hoop is at Sky Fortress Spider (2F) - Incentive in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found)
and world keys to finish

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 3:00 PM

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I'm pretty sure all the goal mode items for SR and Psychonauts have been hinted or found already

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ok that's telescope 1 fully cleared

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I don't feel like BKing the whole slot but let's visit a check-heavy area at least

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yeah, let's finally do deep sea time rift, that's >10 if I don't screw it up

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 3:05 PM

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I think archipelago needs a new type of hint

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!remaining_in_locationgroup

fresh hill Feb 22, 2025, 3:08 PM

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ok today deep sea time rift just wants me to die

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and it won

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let's stop there abflat

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 4:50 PM

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it sounded like kratta was gonna play soon so ill see if I can recap what people want me to go for first

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 4:50 PM

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I no longer need the Sol Blade

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Lungfish Call Shoal Cave Entrance - Item on Ledge
Swimming Mossdeep Gym - Mind Badge
Progressive Water Net Ever Grande City - Elite Four Drake
Gloria's Trophy Victory Road B2F - Cooltrainer Julie
Nightmare Key (Turtle Rock) Trick House Puzzle 3 - Item 2

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Elite four and victory road are pretty late

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 6:28 PM

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weary lagoon it sounded like kratta was gonna play soon so ill see if I can recap what people...

Looks like "breakfast" will now have to be lunch, but I will get on after I eat

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 9:37 PM

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kay are oh oh te sent HM02 Fly to ArtiksPKMN (Market GS Guard House)

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 9:55 PM

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kay are oh oh te sent Grimmkin_Flame to Wcctnoam (Jabu Jabus Belly Barinade Heart)
kay are oh oh te sent Suns Song to FlitterOoT (Dodongos Cavern Deku Scrub Near Bomb Bag Left)

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kay are oh oh te sent Growth to FlitterGS (Kak GS Watchtower)

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 10:16 PM

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any magma emblems

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 10:21 PM

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weary lagoon any magma emblems

just got it

weary lagoon Feb 22, 2025, 10:21 PM

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wet field Feb 22, 2025, 10:25 PM

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[Hint]: kay are oh oh te's Progressive Hookshot is at 8-2 Specters Factory Monkey 7 - Shimbo in FlitterAE's World. (not found)

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kay are oh oh te sent Honeycomb to La DxRomulus (Colossus Great Fairy Reward)

midnight depot Feb 22, 2025, 10:32 PM

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I will need more world keys to get that

wet field Feb 22, 2025, 10:35 PM

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kay are oh oh te sent Shockwave Missile Battery (Banshee) to octy_SC2 (Spirit Temple GS Sun on Floor Room)

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kay are oh oh te sent Treasure Chart 22 to octyTWW (Sheik at Temple)

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kay are oh oh te sent Whispering_Root-Resting_Grounds to Wcctnoam (DMC Deku Scrub Grotto Center)
kay are oh oh te sent Magic Meter to FlitterOoT (DMC Deku Scrub Grotto Left)

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kay are oh oh te sent Quantum Moon Signal to dr rOWmulus (HF GS Cow Grotto)

proven holly Feb 23, 2025, 2:55 AM

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octyKnight sent Translator (Other) to dr rOWmulus (Boss_Essence-Xero)

proven holly Feb 23, 2025, 3:40 AM

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killed the sun octyKnight (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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release:
octyKnight sent Shard to LlisandurFF1 (Geo_Rock-Hive_After_Root)
octyKnight sent Small Key (Fire Temple) to kay are oh oh te (Wanderer's_Journal-Kingdom's_Edge_Camp)
octyKnight sent Dream_Gate to Wcctnoam (Grub-Hallownest_Crown)
octyKnight sent Progressive Painting Unlock to Ixhat (Grub-Queen's_Gardens_Top)
octyKnight sent Zipline Unlock - The Twilight Bell Path to Ixhat (Queen's_Gardens_Map)
octyKnight sent Metro Ticket - Pink to Ixhat (Geo_Rock-Lower_Kingdom's_Edge_2)

cold valve Feb 23, 2025, 3:47 AM

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ok let's play ladx

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just one check

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ok let's play outer wilds

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dr rOWmulus sent Progressive Orbital Command to octy_SC2 (Scan QM Signal)

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dr rOWmulus sent Golden Coin to LlisandurFox (QM Ship Log: Quantum Shrine 4 - Sixth Location Rule)

cold valve Feb 23, 2025, 4:15 AM

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dr rOWmulus (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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i don't usually like releasing this many things but this month is special

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 9:17 AM

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Done making homework for next week

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time to fill KILL team Magma

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Finally..

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ArtiksPKMN sent Milla's Mind to Ixnaut (Magma Hideout 2F - Team Magma Grunt 6)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Small Key (Turtle Rock) to La DxRomulus (Magma Hideout 3F - Team Magma Grunt 1)

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 10:01 AM

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IGN time

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ArtiksPKMN found their Stone Badge (Aqua Hideout B1F - Item in Center Room 2)

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final badge

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 10:25 AM

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@fresh hill ArtiksPKMN sent Swimming to Ixrec (Mossdeep Gym - Mind Badge)

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ArtiksPKMN sent World Key to FlitterAE (Space Center - Team Magma Grunt 5)

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 10:32 AM

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Hell yeah, let's go do that level

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 10:37 AM

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ArtiksPKMN sent Cabana Deed to octyTWW (Trick House Puzzle 1 - Item)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Small Key (Eagle's Tower) to La DxRomulus (Trick House Puzzle 2 - Item 1)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Nightmare Key (Turtle Rock) to La DxRomulus (Trick House Puzzle 3 - Item 2)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Wind's Requiem to octyTWW (Route 103 - Guitarist Marcos)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Relic (Chocolate Cake Slice) to Ixhat (Route 116 - School Kid Jerry)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Small Key (Angler's Tunnel) to La DxRomulus (Route 123 - Psychic Cameron)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Monomon to Wcctnoam (Route 125 - Sailor Ernest)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Lungfish Call to Ixnaut (Shoal Cave Entrance - Item on Ledge)

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@fresh hill another hinted item

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thats enough for now

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 12:50 PM

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Hi

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Let's play Ape Escape

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Will you look at that, Specter's Factory

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https://i.imgur.com/95fk5KH.png bug

Imgur

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When you catch the monkey at the very last frame, the UFO platform opens anyway, but no UFO comes out

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:07 PM

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wet field `[Hint]: kay are oh oh te's Progressive Hookshot is at 8-2 Specters Factory Monk...

FlitterAE sent Progressive Hookshot to kay are oh oh te (8-2 Specters Factory Monkey 7 - Shimbo)

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FlitterAE sent Small Key (Thieves Hideout) to kay are oh oh te (8-2 Specters Factory Monkey 9 - String)

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That's BK mode

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:22 PM

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I forgot I made Path of Pain a check

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:32 PM

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Couldn't be harder than Pantheon 5, just more annoying

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:42 PM

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World Key for you

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Let's see what I can do of PoP without left dash or right superdash

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:43 PM

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Nice!

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:43 PM

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Answer is not even the first room

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Oh right I have all dreames now

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I need to fight things before they show up in Pantheon anyway

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Oh.

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I can't fight Radiance

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:47 PM

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They should make it so the things you skip are also skipped in the pantheons

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That way you can do Pantheon 5 with only the new bosses

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 1:49 PM

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new tech from majinphils stream rn

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when barinade drops his jellyfish allies, you can instantly kill 2 or more with a deku nut, rather than single targeting them all with boomerang

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:50 PM

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Yep!

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:50 PM

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Okay let's see how much Pantheon I can do with no attack to the right or up, no dash to the left, 9 health, all soul upgrades, Mark Of Pride, Quick Slash, Fragile Strength

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:50 PM

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And also, you cannot damage him while he has jellyfish allies despite the fact it looks like you did

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 1:52 PM

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If I can beat the boss of team Magma with a Pikachu on my team you can beat Pantheon 5 without all attack angles

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:53 PM

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I can't beat Pantheon 5 because I haven't unlocked all the bosses

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:53 PM

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ancient harness Okay let's see how much Pantheon I can do with no attack to the right or up, no ...

Oh right, and I'm missing one nail upgrade

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The fact I have opposite sides attack and dash is the worst

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 1:56 PM

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You can damage Volvagia when shes flying...

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 1:56 PM

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WHAT

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 1:57 PM

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Yeah you shoot her in the head with the bow

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and you can get a quick cycle

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 1:58 PM

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You can also just bombchu the secret second volvagia and then kill the real one in one hit

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnYpznlJilw

YouTube

Arthur Oudini

HOW TO Beat Volvagia with Chus in Ocarina of Time

This video explains how to beat volvagia with chus in ocarina of time. Volvagia is the boss of fire temple. This technique is often used in speedrun and racing as it speeds up the fight quite a bit.

Follow me on :
Twitch : ArthurOudini
Twitter : @ArthurOudini

▶ Play video

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 2:09 PM

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yeah but this is a fake strategy

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shooting her in the head is Nintendo seal of approved

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 2:14 PM

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Marmu with no up slash ICANT

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This game hates lefthanded people

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Fuck you Zote

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Well that's 2 and a half pantheons, I don't care to do more any time soon

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Hi. Let's use that world key I just got

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Oh it's crumbling castle

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I need swim before I can catch all the monkeys in that

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 4:38 PM

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FlitterAE sent Progressive Clairvoyance to Ixnaut (7-3 Crumbling Castle Monkey 5 - Willhelm)
FlitterAE sent Dashmaster to octyKnight (7-3 Crumbling Castle Monkey 2 - Robart)

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All done

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[Hint]: FlitterAE's World Key is at Silenced Cathedral Zephon Fight in Ixrec's World. (not found) My final world key!

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I still need [Hint]: FlitterAE's Super Hoop is at Sky Fortress Spider (2F) - Incentive in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found) @tender pelican. What do you need to get it?

tender pelican Feb 23, 2025, 4:41 PM

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I need [Hint]: LlisandurFF1's Cube is at Ganons Castle Light Trial First Right Chest in kay are oh oh te's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Ah man

tender pelican Feb 23, 2025, 4:42 PM

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Yup.

fresh hill Feb 23, 2025, 5:22 PM

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weary lagoon <@283037539755884554> ArtiksPKMN sent Swimming to Ixrec (Mossdeep Gym - Mind Bad...

nice

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 5:28 PM

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Oh right, I wanted to copy over the major/minor split into a priority location list for Golden Sun

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Holy shit the game generates a lot faster with no OoTs

fresh hill Feb 23, 2025, 5:48 PM

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apparently this game gets confused if you receive / use the cheat code for a glyph before doing the glyph location

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 5:49 PM

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Time to defeat the final gym in Pokemon Emerald!!

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unless...?

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 5:55 PM

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Why is it closed?

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 5:55 PM

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Probably have to defeat Team Aqua first

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ArtiksPKMN sent Sol Blade to FlitterGS (Route 126 - Swimmer Barry)

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found this by accident

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 5:55 PM

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Also, I manually went through the golden sun apworld and grabbed major locations and put them on priority, in hopes of fixing the bug where every major location had a trap

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Thanks!

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If I didn't beat the game already I definitely can now

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    # Prevent these locations from having an unimportant item.
    [Angara Cavern - Haures Tablet, Aqua Rock Exterior - 2F - Frost Pillars, Aqua Rock Interior - 1F - Submerged Chest, Champa - Reveal Circle, Contigo - Lifting_Gem, Daila - Sea God's Tear, Dehkan Plateau - Pound Cube, Dehkan Plateau - Third Screen, E Tundaria Islet - Penguin's Treasure, Gaia Rock - Maze Items Two, Gondowan Cliffs - Laughing Fungus, Gondowan Settlement - Cave Item, Idejima - Growth, Idejima - Mind_Read, Idejima - Whirlwind, Indra Cavern - Zagan Tablet, Kandorean Temple - Lash Pebble, Kibombo - Piers, Kibombo Mountains - South Screen, Madra - Mayor's Gift, Madra Catacombs - Ruin Key, Madra Catacombs - Tremor Bit, Magma Rock Interior - 2F - North-East Sluice, Magma Rock Interior - Blaze Tablet, Mars Lighthouse (Lower) - Sol Blade, Mars Lighthouse (Lower) - Teleport Lapis, Mars Lighthouse (Upper) - Chest outside Mars Wing, Naribwe - Thorn Crown, Osenia Cliffs - Pirate Sword, Shaman Village - Trial Road Cleared, Shrine of the Sea God - Breaking Bridges Room, Shrine of the Sea God - Right Prong, Taopo Swamp - North-West Cave - Half-buried Item, Treasure Isle - Three-path Room, Yampi Desert - Guardian Ring]```

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Let's test the new setting

tender pelican Feb 23, 2025, 6:03 PM

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LlisandurMom (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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LlisandurMom sent Requiem of Spirit to FlitterOoT (Pyramid - Anteroom Sarcophagus)
LlisandurMom sent Progressive Strength Upgrade to FlitterOoT (Dungeon Man - 1F Opinion Present)
LlisandurMom sent Adaptive Medpacks (Medic) to octy_SC2 (Dungeon Man - 2F Hole Present)
LlisandurMom sent Boss Key (Forest Temple) to kay are oh oh te (Stonehenge - Purple Maze Present)
LlisandurMom sent Grimmkin_Flame to Wcctnoam (Stonehenge - Flashing Room Right Path Present)
LlisandurMom sent Small Key (Catfish's Maw) to La DxRomulus (Stonehenge - Flashing Room Center Present)

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:05 PM

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Thank you

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:10 PM

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wow they have cutscenes in this game

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:12 PM

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It works! I no longer get traps at the end of each major dungeon

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Let's improve the list to be more comprehensive

fresh hill Feb 23, 2025, 6:17 PM

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ok my SR slot had a whole lot of nothing in it

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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No Zephon fight today?

fresh hill Feb 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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that requires phasing

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the whole Silenced Cathedral area does

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I see

fresh hill Feb 23, 2025, 6:19 PM

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^

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I dunno how hard that entrance is to get

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:19 PM

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ArtiksPKMN sent Sprint Hat to Ixhat (Sootopolis Gym - Beauty Olivia)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Queen_Fragment to Wcctnoam (Sootopolis Gym - Pokefan Bethany)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Ghost Ship Chart to octyTWW (Sootopolis Gym - Lady Daphne)

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:24 PM

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Desert colossus needs you to:
1- Have a warp song to take you there or
2- Have access to spirit temple and come out of the colossus's hands or
3- Be adult and have one of (Epona, longshot) and a gerudo membership card and lens of truth and magic

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Kratta has no warp song, no access to spirit temple, no lens of truth

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It is possible to skip lens of truth by memorizing the layout (lensless wasteland)

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Wait, Kratta DOES have access to spirit temple

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Should be reachable

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Log update:

📎 message.txt

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:28 PM

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alright fuck searching for every swimming trainer in the ocean, Im going to the league

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:29 PM

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Good idea

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I have reached the victory road!!

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there was a hint here

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Ixnaut's Gloria's Trophy is at Victory Road B2F - Cooltrainer Julie in ArtiksPKMN's World. (not found)

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ok ok

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ArtiksPKMN sent Gloria's Trophy to Ixnaut (Victory Road B2F - Cooltrainer Julie)

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real guy

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:47 PM

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Finally!

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Flygon takes way too long to level up into

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:54 PM

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ArtiksPKMN sent Upslash to Wcctnoam (Victory Road B1F - Cooltrainer Mitchell)

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Upslash in victory road is crazy

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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That's crazy

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:56 PM

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ah another slaking user..

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 6:56 PM

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Lmao he will fucking die

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Surf these motherfuckers

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 6:57 PM

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?????

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thats his hp after 2 surfs btw

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and they have thunder just to be extra funny

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alright I dont think im making it to the league without a few more levels

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:07 PM

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weary lagoon ?????

Why is this so funny

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 7:09 PM

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What will Wcctnoam do?

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:13 PM

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When in doubt: X Special

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Unless Surf is physical

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Then X Attack

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 7:14 PM

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Does Groudon's ability force weather, or can you change it?

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Surf is special

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:14 PM

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You can change it, it just forces it on turn one

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The ability triggers when Groudon is deployed

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:15 PM

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weary lagoon What will Wcctnoam do?

Clearly, you need two Wcctnoams to fight two Groudons

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Quick maths

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 7:16 PM

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Rain dance should triple your surf damage

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 7:29 PM

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triple is a lot

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Yeah, you're at 50%, and removing the sunny weather takes you to 100%, adding rain takes you to 150%

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 7:34 PM

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well

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as I said they have thunder

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so rain dance might not be the best move

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:36 PM

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What do you have that's grass or ice

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Sunny Weather makes Solar Beam a one-turn attack

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 7:39 PM

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no grass

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vaporean has ice beam

midnight depot Feb 23, 2025, 7:39 PM

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  priority_locations:
    # Prevent these locations from having an unimportant item.
    [Contigo - Isaac, Contigo - Garet, Contigo - Ivan, Contigo - Mia, Gabomba Catacombs - Tomegathericon, Idejima - Sheba, Idejima - Jenna, Kibombo - Douse_Drop, Kibombo - Frost_Jewel, Kibombo - Piers, Contigo - Carry_Stone, Contigo - Lifting_Gem, Contigo - Orb_of_Force, Contigo - Catch_Beads, Daila - Sea God's Tear, Kandorean Temple - Lash Pebble, Kandorean Temple - Mysterious Card, Shrine of the Sea God - Breaking Bridges Room, Shrine of the Sea God - Right Prong, Dehkan Plateau - Pound Cube, Indra Cavern - Zagan Tablet, Madra - Mayor's Gift, Madra Catacombs - Ruin Key, Madra Catacombs - Tremor Bit, Madra Catacombs - Moloch Tablet, Osenia Cliffs - Pirate Sword, Yampi Desert - Guardian Ring, Yampi Desert - Scoop Gem, Yampi Desert - Trainer's Whip, Yampi Desert Cave - Half-buried Item, Osenia Cavern - Megaera Tablet, Gabomba Catacombs - Tomegathericon, E Tundaria Islet - Penguin's Treasure, West Indra Islet - Dog's Treasure, SE Angara Islet - Bird's Treasure, N Osenia Islet - Cow's Treasure, Izumo - Ulysses Tablet, Tundaria Tower - Burst Brooch, Ankohl Ruins - Left Prong, Yallam - Masamune, Lemuria - Eclipse Tablet, Lemuria - Grindstone, Shaman Village - Trial Road Cleared, Jupiter Lighthouse - West Wing - Blue Key, Jupiter Lighthouse - Red Key, Angara Cavern - Haures Tablet, Mars Lighthouse (Lower) - Teleport Lapis]```

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Updated the list. It now contains every check I enjoy going for

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Sunny weather should not affect ice moves, and it's the same weakness

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But I don't know its power

weary lagoon Feb 23, 2025, 7:42 PM

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HIGH

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95 but no stab like surf

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and only hits one of two groudons 🤣

ancient harness Feb 23, 2025, 7:43 PM

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True

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 1:54 PM

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Hello

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Still waiting on Kratta to play so I can finish Ape Escape

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 2:01 PM

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I’ll try to play Psychonauts when I get home; I think all of Asylum is open now but I was too busy yesterday

slow moth Feb 24, 2025, 2:06 PM

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Still waiting for Octy

tender pelican Feb 24, 2025, 2:06 PM

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Also waiting on Kratta.

cold valve Feb 24, 2025, 2:54 PM

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I think I'm waiting on just windwaker

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 2:55 PM

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and windwaker was waiting on me to get a leaf from upper asylum

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 3:42 PM

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Went back to work today after winter break so me and my colleagues had some time to talk about how to solve the double Groudon situation but we haven't gotten there quite yet.

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 3:48 PM

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Flygon is immune to ground, strong against fire, has access to dig, solar beam, rest, toxic, substitute

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Doc Rom you might be the key to this whole operation..

cold valve Feb 24, 2025, 4:09 PM

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kiringun

ancient harness Feb 24, 2025, 4:15 PM

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That's why Flygon is friend-shaped

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 4:51 PM

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lets play some pokemon!!

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migattenogokui

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IKEEEEEE

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ArtiksPKMN sent Treasure Chart 29 to octyTWW (Victory Road 1F - Cooltrainer Katelynn)

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Elite 4 time

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Typhlosion doesnt have flamethrower yet idk whats up with that..

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Lmao he learns flamethrower at level 60

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:04 PM

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he must learn it faster in gen 2

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:05 PM

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No, but in later gens he learns it around 40

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:05 PM

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oh

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:05 PM

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You can also teach it with a TM

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:05 PM

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ye but no one has found it for me

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ArtiksPKMN sent Piece of Heart to kay are oh oh te (Ever Grande City - Elite Four Sidney)

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Cyndaquil learns flamethrower at level 46

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Maybe the guy that lets you learn moves you forgot can give you flamethrower then?

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:10 PM

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ArtiksPKMN sent Geo_Rock-Default to Wcctnoam (Ever Grande City - Elite Four Phoebe)

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:11 PM

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Move tutor can give you fire punch which is almost as strong as flamethrower

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:17 PM

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ArtiksPKMN sent Rupees (50) to FlitterOoT (Ever Grande City - Elite Four Glacia)

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ArtiksPKMN sent Progressive Water Net to FlitterAE (Ever Grande City - Elite Four Drake)

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 5:25 PM

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Big!

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:26 PM

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why the fuck did they change champion from wally to wallace

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oh fuck the champion battle got the 15% chance to be a double

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😎

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ArtiksPKMN sent Geo_Rock-Hive to Wcctnoam (Ever Grande City - Champion Wallace)

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ArtiksPKMN (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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proven holly Feb 24, 2025, 5:32 PM

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banger team imo

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 5:34 PM

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I released but see nothing important

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 9:14 PM

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asylum time

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Ixnaut sent Light Arrows to FlitterOoT ((AS Courtyard) Edgar's Room)

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guessing this is another plentiful item you have already

weary lagoon Feb 24, 2025, 9:19 PM

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yeah that game is complete

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 9:23 PM

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lotta progression for completed slots up here

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Ixnaut sent Small Key (Fire Temple) to kay are oh oh te ((AS Upper) Pipes Below Chair Door)

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that one might matter?

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Ixnaut sent Iron Boots to kay are oh oh te ((AS Lab) Lab Caged Crow Right)

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oh

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@proven holly Ixnaut sent Deku Leaf to octyTWW ((AS Lab) Lab Top Railing Left 1)

proven holly Feb 24, 2025, 9:40 PM

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yay

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will play WW today

slow moth Feb 24, 2025, 9:40 PM

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yay!

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 9:40 PM

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Ixnaut (Team #1) has completed their goal.

slow moth Feb 24, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Could you please get this?

proven holly Feb 24, 2025, 9:43 PM

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yes, that was the first thing i was thinking of

slow moth Feb 24, 2025, 9:44 PM

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Thanks

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Milkman Conspiracy was all junk

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that's probably it for my Psychonauts slot; there's only one full level I haven't done and a few scattered locations elsewhere we probably don't care about

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 10:19 PM

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!release time?

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 10:20 PM

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good point

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yep the rest of it was all junk

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 10:21 PM

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I don't think we'll finish in time for March

proven holly Feb 24, 2025, 10:23 PM

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octyTWW sent ITEM to ClearrPony (Forsaken Fortress - Chest Outside Upper Jail Cell)

slow moth Feb 24, 2025, 10:40 PM

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Yay!

cold valve Feb 24, 2025, 10:43 PM

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If windwaker is happening i can probably finish tonight

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Just need the 2 nightmare keys

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Uh, bottle grotto and catfish maw

ancient harness Feb 24, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Please release for me there's no way I finish

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 11:11 PM

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You got it

ancient harness Feb 24, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Doubt anyone is waiting on my 10 left checks but just in case

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 11:12 PM

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I'll do it tomorrow. You can see the items you have left to do by running !remaining

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 11:13 PM

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oh yeah

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is "Escape Rope" important?

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Whose? Artiks's?

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No

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 11:14 PM

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unfortunately it doesn't tell me which of these are progression

midnight depot Feb 24, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Yep! Nor where they are

fresh hill Feb 24, 2025, 11:15 PM

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but it seems like I probably have only 1-2 meaningful items in each of my 2 unfinished slots

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 12:28 AM

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I'm just waiting on 2-3 items from Kratta.

proven holly Feb 25, 2025, 1:28 AM

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[Hint]: octyTWW's Triforce Shard 5 is at Sealed Cave -- B3F to B4F passage -- right in LlisandurFF4's World. (not found)
[Hint]: octyTWW's Triforce Shard 6 is at Subcon Forest - Giant Time Piece in Ixhat's World. (not found)
i need these two to finish

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 1:29 AM

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I need this to get that. [Hint]: LlisandurFF4's Darkness Crystal is at Dead Bird Studio Basement - Window Platform in Ixhat's World at Time Rift - Deep Sea. (not found)

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No wiat, that's the underworld one, not the moon.

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I need this one. [Hint]: LlisandurFF4's Luca Key is at ZR Magic Bean Salesman in kay are oh oh te's World. (not found)

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@wet field Can you get [Hint]: LlisandurFF4's Luca Key is at ZR Magic Bean Salesman in kay are oh oh te's World. (not found)?

wet field Feb 25, 2025, 1:37 AM

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yeah I'll grab that when I get on later

proven holly Feb 25, 2025, 2:49 AM

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need [Hint]: octyTWW's Hookshot is at Market Lost Dog in kay are oh oh te's World. (not found) too

proven holly Feb 25, 2025, 3:36 AM

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octyTWW sent Nightmare Key (Catfish's Maw) to La DxRomulus (Dragon Roost Island - Rito Aerie - Give Hoskit 20 Golden Feathers)
octyTWW sent Nightmare Key (Bottle Grotto) to La DxRomulus (Wind Temple - Chest at Top of Hub Room)

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done for now, will continue when given Hookshot or other item is hinted since most remaining checks are behind that

cold valve Feb 25, 2025, 4:52 AM

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omg thanks!

cold valve Feb 25, 2025, 5:12 AM

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La DxRomulus (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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junk

ancient harness Feb 25, 2025, 8:10 AM

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This is what's left in my world

weary lagoon Feb 25, 2025, 8:49 AM

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beeg mushroom

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 11:01 AM

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Good morning

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I have released Wcctnoam's game

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We are now at 12 finished games. With the ability to dive in Ape Escape, I have more checks to get but I'm still waiting on the super hoop

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[Hint]: FlitterAE's Water Catch is at Fire Temple Boulder Maze Side Room Chest in kay are oh oh te's World at Ganons Castle Grounds -> Ganons Castle Lobby. (not found)

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 11:25 AM

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Back to BK mode https://i.imgur.com/YNzxnwJ.png

Imgur

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Supposedly, there's a trick to reach the end of Monkey Madness without hoop, https://i.imgur.com/rzEZMyc.png

Imgur

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I could do this https://youtu.be/ugAPy4E5zBs?t=1351

YouTube

Ihavenoname248

Over 90 Ape Escape Tricks and Skips

This video is meant to both document many of the tricks and miscellaneous strategies for Ape Escape (speedrunning community Discord here: https://discord.gg/8CQxxBT ) I've learned over the past decade and a half, and serve as an all-in-one reference for more advanced logics for the upcoming/WIP Archipelago implementation of the game. (https://ar...

▶ Play video

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(At timestamp)

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Slingshot infinite jumping is somehow a lot easier now

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I guess I have the exact timing nailed down

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FlitterAE (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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With the power of reprehensible amounts of cheating, I have beaten the game

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It looks like I have nothing important left so I will just release

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FlitterAE sent Progressive Bomb Bag to octyTWW (2-3 Cryptic Relics Mailbox - Don't Forget Your Sling (Outside))

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We have six games left!

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:29 PM

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tender pelican No wiat, that's the underworld one, not the moon.

so I got a bit confused here; do I still need to get LlisandurFF4's Darkness Crystal (or release) for you to finish your game or reach a hinted item?

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tbh I'm debating releasing one or both of my remaining slots; I don't think anyone was expecting to have slots at 40% and 60% a full 25 days into a "three week" async, and !remaining implied there's almost nothing of value in them anyway

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(although it is really hard to tell if anything in !remaining is valuable, especially with plentiful items so even normally high value OoT items are "probably junk")

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 12:33 PM

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I still need the darkness crystal to beat the game. I need the Luca key for the hinted item.

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:37 PM

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ok

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 12:41 PM

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My OoT is done

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Plentiful items is no longer a factor (also I'm turning it off because it's fun for me but very confusing for others)

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:41 PM

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yeah, but kratta's isn't, and !remaining won't tell me which is which

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 12:42 PM

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Oh yeah

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:42 PM

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admittedly we don't normally try to do "is there anything valuable left in my slot" with !remaining, I dunno if that's really an intended workflow

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it's more a symptom of being at 40% after 25 days lol

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 12:43 PM

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I'll count items in a bit and see if Kratta needs anything. Do you have the remaining list at hand?

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:43 PM

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I'm at work, so only what's been posted in chat already

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 12:43 PM

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I'll look back

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 12:44 PM

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yeah looks like I didn't dump the entire lists into chat

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how dare me

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I don't remember seeing any OoT prog items in the lists !remaining gave me last night

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:22 PM

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It's later

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Here's a log update

📎 message.txt

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[2025-02-24 23:13:07,407]: Notice (Player Ixrec in team 1): Remaining items: Escape Rope, Nugget, Hondew Berry, Feldspar's Signal, Oxygen Refill, Jetpack Fuel Refill, World Key, 5 Energy Chips, 25 Energy Chips, Jerkin, Vial, 25 Pons, 25 Pons, 50 Pons, Effigy, Money x20, Medic, Progressive Cross-Spectrum Dampeners (Banshee), Geo_Rock-Default, Geo_Rock-Fung01

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Nothing important in this one

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A hat in time is too big for discord

📎 message.txt

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Progressive Wallet, Bottle with Poe, Small Key Ring (Gerudo Training Ground), Lens of Truth, Progressive Wallet, Small Key (Shadow Temple), Slab, Darkness Crystal, Triforce Shard 6
These are the items I know are important or think might be in Ixhat

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 1:28 PM

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oh, is some of that OoT stuff for kratta?

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:28 PM

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Maybe! Let's look at Kratta's tracker

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Kratta has four bottles, so bottle with poe is for me. Kratta has Adult Wallet, so it's very likely the two wallets are for me. Kratta has the no key rings, so the key ring is for me.

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I don't have individual keys, so the shadow temple key is for Kratta. Kratta also needs the Lens of Truth, so it's likely that Lens of Truth is for her

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The Darkness Crystal and Triforce Shards are for Llisandur and Octy. I'm pretty sure the latter are important, and know the former is essential.

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This leaves the Slab. I don't remember what that could be, but my brain is telling me it's important.

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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FF1 item.

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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iirc octy said they need that shard to finish, that was gonna be my first task when I get home

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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Yeah

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 1:31 PM

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Its only 1 check I think.

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:32 PM

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Okay, so progression items are Shadow Temple small key, darkness crystal, triforce shard, slab, and potentially lens of truth

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Oh wait

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 1:32 PM

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2 of which are hinted already

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:32 PM

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I received two lens of truths

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So that one is guaranteed to be for Kratta

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 1:33 PM

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would be good to hint the others since there's no way I'm 100%ing the slot at this rate, and I've already checked all the shop items that'd get auto-hinted

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and kratta doesn't do "lensless" strats or whatever it's called?

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 1:35 PM

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There's several ways to do Lensless wasteland

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I just use my memory-reading tracker to give me a map of the wasteland

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You can memorize subtle cues to navigate

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Or you can just try your luck

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I think it's polite to wait for Kratta to decide what hint for, or otherwise just release the checks with no hints

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 1:38 PM

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ofc

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now that we've looked all this up, it sounds like the only important unhinted prog items in my slots are both kratta items, so no reason not to let her choose where the hint points go

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I still have to get the 2 hinted items when I get home

slow moth Feb 25, 2025, 2:22 PM

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[Hint]: ClearrPony's Core Key is at Tower of the Gods - Second Chest Guarded by Armos Knights in octyTWW's World at Tower of the Gods Sector. (not found)

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I think this is the last main item I need

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For now, I'll try and backtrack for some other checks

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 7:11 PM

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ok, back home, AHiT time

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 7:28 PM

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that's the last painting firewall down

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@proven holly Ixhat sent Triforce Shard 6 to octyTWW (Subcon Forest - Giant Time Piece)

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 7:37 PM

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Nice

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 7:38 PM

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now do I have the relics for the time rift that darkness shard is in...

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the cakes were not a lie

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now where is my bon voyage entrance...

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oh no I'm gonna have to recheck random time rifts to find it

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probably should've written this stuff down

midnight depot Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Want me to read the spoiler log and tell you?

fresh hill Feb 25, 2025, 7:44 PM

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nvm found it on my first guess rdwut

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and yes the (inner) rift is there now

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and that did put me in dead bird basement

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should have window platform in ~5m from here

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although it feels the need to taunt me much earlier

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@tender pelican Ixhat sent Darkness Crystal to LlisandurFF4 (Dead Bird Studio Basement - Window Platform)

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TIL it is possible to die by falling on a tightrope

tender pelican Feb 25, 2025, 8:47 PM

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LlisandurFF4 (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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Non-Zeromus seed, but I ended up completing literally everything else but selaed cave. XD

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The last required boss was at the very bottom of the moon before Zeromus.

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LlisandurFF4 sent Earth God's Lyric to octyTWW (Sealed Cave -- B2F (north side, third door from right) -- left, bottom)
LlisandurFF4 sent Triforce Shard 5 to octyTWW (Sealed Cave -- B3F to B4F passage -- right)
LlisandurFF4 sent Treasure Chart 27 to octyTWW (Lunar Subterrane -- Core B3 -- left)

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Now I just need Kratta to get my items for FF1.

weary lagoon Feb 25, 2025, 8:52 PM

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nice those first two are really important

midnight depot Feb 26, 2025, 1:31 PM

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[2025-02-25 20:49:34,643]: (Team #1) LlisandurFF4 sent Palom to LlisandurFF4 (Mysidia Character 2)

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Why do you have five paloms and only one porom?

tender pelican Feb 26, 2025, 1:31 PM

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Lol. And no Rosas! XD

midnight depot Feb 26, 2025, 1:55 PM

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Today I learned about the super flyer trick, in ape escape, where you can gain a lot of height by doing the following:
1- Start a level. Do not use your sky flyer
2- Jump and use a gadget. The gadget must be one of stun club, net, slingback shooter or magic punch.
3- Pause and swap to the sky flyer
4- Unpause and continue using the gadget.
This gives a pretty big boost to height.

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https://youtu.be/538dZZZyuwM

YouTube

Ihavenoname248

Ape Escape Archipelago Super Flyer Locations

This video documents the locations that a super flyer can be logically required to complete a randomizer seed with it enabled as a trick.
Randomizer: https://github.com/Thedragon005/Archipelago-Ape-Escape

See also the trick video from before super flyer was discovered, for what can be required in no IJ/IJ logics. https://youtu.be/ugAPy4E5zBs

(...

▶ Play video

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It's helpful for going out of bounds in various spots

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 1:18 PM

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Hello

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We're still waiting for the following people to finish, https://i.imgur.com/xF8Tv5A.png

Imgur

slow moth Feb 27, 2025, 1:20 PM

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I still need the Core Key from Octy

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 1:24 PM

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OctyTWW is waiting on Kratta for Ballad of Gales and Hookshot. Hookshot is at market lost dog, and ballad of gales is at the light arrows cutscene.
LlisandurFF1 is waiting on Kratta for Oxyale, Shard, Lute and Cube. Oxyale is at Volvagia, Shard is in Deku Tree, Lute is in Spirit Temple, Cube is in Ganon's Castle.
Ixrec is waiting on Kratta for Phasing, which is at Morpha.

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Kratta is waiting on Kratta to play

slow moth Feb 27, 2025, 1:26 PM

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Well, I need to finish before the 6th because I'm flying away from home

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 1:26 PM

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Don't worry

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We will close this game no matter what by the end of tomorrow

slow moth Feb 27, 2025, 1:27 PM

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Ah rip

weary lagoon Feb 27, 2025, 1:45 PM

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Ballad of gales is just fast travel not a progress item

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market lost dog sounds pretty easy

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 1:48 PM

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Well Kratta does have shuffled overworld

weary lagoon Feb 27, 2025, 2:01 PM

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does that mean the different parts of the market are not connected?

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 2:02 PM

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Yes!

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It means that every entrance in the overworld is shuffled with another entrance, with the following exceptions:
1- Dungeons entrances are shuffled through a separate option.
2- Interiors, like individual houses and shops, are shuffled through a separate option.
3- The door leading into the temple of time is never shuffled. If you see the temple of time from the outside, it is guaranteed to be ToT
4- Windmill is also not shuffled

weary lagoon Feb 27, 2025, 2:23 PM

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so you have to bring the dog pretty far

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 2:32 PM

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Oh wait I got your question wrong

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No, only loading screen areas are connected

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So there's the central market, with its three non-loading screen areas, and the market entrance, when you come in from the bridge.

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 4:24 PM

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https://github.com/Crazycolbster/rollercoaster-tycoon-randomizer/releases/tag/v0.1.15-beta

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-Added options for every item to be added to arbitrary scenarios. Now you can live your dream of building multi-dimensional coasters in Forest Frontiers!

fresh hill Feb 27, 2025, 4:24 PM

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"multi-dimensional coasters"?

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 4:29 PM

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https://rct.wiki/wiki/Multi-Dimension_Roller_Coaster

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It's a suspended coaster where the chairs rotate

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This type of coaster is called the 4th Dimension roller coaster, originally built by Arrow Dynamics. The first of this type is X2 (formerly X) at Six Flags Magic Mountain. Newer versions of these are built by S&S, such as Dinoconda in Dinosaurs Park, China.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-dimension_roller_coaster

Fourth-dimension roller coaster

A fourth-dimension roller coaster is a type of steel roller coaster where riders are rotated independently of the track's orientation about a horizontal axis perpendicular to the track. This feature allows riders to experience inversions without the track rotating upside down. Some fourth-dimension roller coasters are controlled, with seats that...

fresh hill Feb 27, 2025, 4:31 PM

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oh that's what those are called

midnight depot Feb 27, 2025, 4:32 PM

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You may be thinking of the suspended swinging coasters

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspended_roller_coaster Much more common

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https://rct.wiki/wiki/Suspended_Swinging_Coaster
Also see https://rct.wiki/wiki/Inverted_Roller_Coaster

wet field Feb 28, 2025, 1:42 AM

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midnight depot We will close this game no matter what by the end of tomorrow

I'm just going to release then so other people can play now. I'm sorry, I thought I'd be able to play sooner but it's been a rough week and I haven't had my shit together

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 1:42 AM

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Got it. Sorry things haven't been going well

wet field Feb 28, 2025, 1:46 AM

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oh I guess you have to do it for me

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Yep, releasing without goal is now admin only just in case someone releases the wrong game

wet field Feb 28, 2025, 1:52 AM

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That's probably a good change

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 1:52 AM

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(someone being me)

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I have released Kratta's items @fresh hill, @proven holly and @tender pelican . Your checks should be reachable now

tender pelican Feb 28, 2025, 2:46 AM

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LlisandurFF1 (Team #1) has compelted their goal.

proven holly Feb 28, 2025, 6:05 AM

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octyTWW (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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me and my partner spent an hour on this instead of playing monster hunter dab

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octyTWW sent Core Key to ClearrPony (Tower of the Gods - Second Chest Guarded by Armos Knights)

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 12:53 PM

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Thanks!

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 2:13 PM

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I know we havent finished, but when will the next game begin? I have 2 things im thinking of setting up

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 2:21 PM

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Monday or Sunday

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 2:21 PM

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I like sunday cause its a weekend

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 2:22 PM

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Yeah, but it's usually so busy I can't find the time

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 2:23 PM

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I never used the master ball from wcctnoam...

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 2:27 PM

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I might just release my last slot, feels kinda pointless to do the whole endgame with where we are now

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 2:27 PM

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Fair enough

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Sadly, I can't come back next month as I'll be in New Mexico for about half the month, but I do def want to return in April, maybe with Minecraft in tow

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Will you have time to play Undertale today?

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 2:28 PM

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I do, in fact, I am right now

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 2:29 PM

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Hows Papyrus holding up?

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 2:29 PM

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Odd as always

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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ClearrPony (Team #1) has completed their goal.

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Nice!

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You can now do !release to send the remaining checks, but if Ixrec isn't playing anymore, that will not matter

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:33 PM

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I already had all progression items so in this case it doesn't matter either way

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let's give this a shot actually

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Hell yeah

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:37 PM

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Oracle's Cave unlocked

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:39 PM

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Twilight Princess Randomizer has an archipelago implementation now https://github.com/WritingHusky/Twilight_Princess_apworld/releases/tag/v0.2.2

GitHub

Release v0.2.2 · WritingHusky/Twilight_Princess_apworld

What's Changed

Fixed issue where the anywhere option removed key logic #43
Added Ordon Pumpkin and Ordon Goat Cheese to be part of Snowpeak Ruins small keys
Ensured Bedroom key follows big key...

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:39 PM

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I heard about that yeah

tender pelican Feb 28, 2025, 3:39 PM

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Nice.

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:39 PM

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probably would've looked into it if all this time I was spending on modding was going to playing games instead rdwut

tender pelican Feb 28, 2025, 3:40 PM

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I might try that sometime. I almost beat that game, I should go back and do that.

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:41 PM

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But which version of the game?

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There's like three

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The upstream rando page doesn't mention it, the wiki doesn't mention it

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Is it in the video?

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:46 PM

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block puzzle door open

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:48 PM

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The video doesn't mention it but shows some gamecube version

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...The Github page doesn't talk about it?

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At this point the only sane conclusion is every version of the game must be compatible

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Okay, they have a folder for gamecube in the upstream rando, but the game thread says the wii version is also fine.

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The setup guide doesn't mention it either:
A Twilight Princess ISO (North American version), probably named "Legend of Zelda, The - Twilight Princess (USA).iso".

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:52 PM

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"probably"

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Yeah, they're much more lax with piracy

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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made it to the underground part of the cave...

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 4:04 PM

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ive played the Tp rando before

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its gamecube

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but its not really as good as other zelda randos

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game is built to be a linear story experience

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:06 PM

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Spikevegeta used to run the Twilight Princess randomizer on the Wii U

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:07 PM

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and finally in the Chronoplast

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:07 PM

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I do agree that I play that game for the story and mood, rather than the gameplay

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:10 PM

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GEE THANKS

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Ahh, the traditional "putting something that should obviously be 3D into a texture" optimization

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:12 PM

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can't escape the PS1-era graphics, even in a remaster

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Ixrec (Team #1) has completed their goal.

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:19 PM

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Well done

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:20 PM

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so that whole ending sequence took me... 45 minutes?

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 4:20 PM

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is that the game you had on 30%

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pretty short game

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:20 PM

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yeah it's not a long game

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part of the reason a manual is viable for it

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:26 PM

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That's everyone!

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 4:48 PM

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wp wp

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 4:51 PM

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I'll wrap up and invite everyone to the next one soon

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 4:51 PM

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ftr I'll be too busy in March

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mainly because both of my rando projects need releases/updates and I'm changing teams at my day job

proven holly Feb 28, 2025, 5:09 PM

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can you remove my Wind Waker yaml for next month it was more painful than I remember lol

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 5:10 PM

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in a fixable way or...?

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(I played vanilla WW an eternity ago)

proven holly Feb 28, 2025, 5:11 PM

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not really, I find the lack of a dedicated jump button makes for a difficult control scheme

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 5:13 PM

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proven holly can you remove my Wind Waker yaml for next month it was more painful than I reme...

Yes, in fact

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I typically ask people for new YAMLs each time unless they instruct me to reuse them

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 5:16 PM

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WIND WAAKEEERR

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to be fair you had to play the whole game without ballad of gales...

fresh hill Feb 28, 2025, 6:52 PM

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TIL https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1331798503898222662 "⁠Slow Release Client - Host Tool" exists

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Great if we want to not play anything

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Thank you for joining me in the Manechat Archipelago game for February 2025. This game had 19 games, 37 spheres, and 6931 locations. The intended playthrough file lists from last to first: @ancient harness with Hollow Knight, @cold valve with LADX, @wet field with OoT, @slow moth with Undertale, @proven holly with The Wind Waker, @tender pelican with FF1, @fresh hill with Psychonauts, Dr. Romulus with Outer Wilds, me with Ape Escape, @weary lagoon with Pokemon Emerald, Ixrec with Soul Reaver manual, Me with Golden Sun 2, Llisandur with Tunic, Llisandur with FF4, Ixrec with a Hat in Time, Llisandur with Earthbound, Octy with Hollow Knight, me with OoT, and all the way back in Sphere 13, Octy with Starcraft 2.
Included is the spoiler log, game file, output file, but not YAMLs used (I lost that folder). The game link was at https://archipelago.gg/room/kd41vSUXTDKMkWIXLIVe2Q

📎 spoiler_log.txt 📎 game_log.txt 📎 AP_23565907817919240817.zip

Archipelago

Multiworld kd41vSUXTDKMkWIXLIVe2Q

19 Players Multiworld
running on archipelago.gg with port 38751

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Hello, @here! I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until the end of March 2025. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run (or browse the archipelago discord server for unsupported games!), then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems. Let's try to make sure that you like the game you picked and can complete it by the end of the month!
The game will start March 2nd or whenever everyone interested is ready.

In order to join, I will need the YAML files for whatever games you want to play. Please make sure you only join with a manageable workload, and the ability to play at least a little every four or so days. Don't make other people wait.

ancient harness Feb 28, 2025, 7:53 PM

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Nothing from me for the foreseeable future, I'll get back to you when I'm available.

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 7:53 PM

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I had fun playing with you. Thanks

wet field Feb 28, 2025, 7:55 PM

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I think I'm gonna be too stressed out to play consistently

cold valve Feb 28, 2025, 7:55 PM

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I will put together yamls after d&d Saturday

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 7:55 PM

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wet field I think I'm gonna be too stressed out to play consistently

That's unfortunate. I hope to play with you again when you have more leisure time you can dedicate

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 7:55 PM

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cold valve I will put together yamls after d&d Saturday

I have news for you

slow moth Feb 28, 2025, 7:57 PM

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I'll def join another time after March! It was fun

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 8:01 PM

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Also, https://multiworld.news was discontinued, so the only way to see unsupported games without access to the discord server is this spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1733DtKxylcSmCxn216rOVkJNS-aezFu8nURRw86CjKc/

Google Docs

Archipelago Games

cold valve Feb 28, 2025, 8:11 PM

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midnight depot I have news for you

Ok then i will do it when i wake up tomorrow

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 8:20 PM

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Oh shit XCOM 2 War of the Chosen has an apworld

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https://github.com/MaxReinstadler/X2WOTCArchipelago/releases

GitHub

Releases · MaxReinstadler/X2WOTCArchipelago

Archipelago MultiWorld implementation for XCOM 2: War of the Chosen - MaxReinstadler/X2WOTCArchipelago

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Roughly 15-20h campaign with default settings.

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Items are currently only received in the geoscape, including any the player sent to themself. When the game receives an item, a pop-up appears to inform the player about what they got and from whom.

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Okay, maybe when it has a bit more polish

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 9:16 PM

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I have the following YAMLs https://i.imgur.com/wD7t5BW.png

Imgur

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Let me know if you want to add new ones or change any of yours

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 9:55 PM

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📎 mm_recomp.apworld 📎 ArtiMM.yaml

dawn wigeon Feb 28, 2025, 9:56 PM

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I'll submit a couple later on

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 9:57 PM

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dawn wigeon I'll submit a couple later on

Hell yeah, happy to play with you again

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 9:57 PM

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weary lagoon

Let me know how it compares to OoTMM

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Archipelago can we have OoTMM

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We have OoTMM at home

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(MM with no settings and one out of four zones)

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 9:59 PM

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I don't mind not having to do dungeons

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I like MM for the overworld and think the dungeons are a hassle

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 10:00 PM

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its one out of four major zones, not one out of four dungeons

midnight depot Feb 28, 2025, 10:00 PM

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Is that so

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 10:00 PM

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yerp

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but its maybe like 40% of the game with clock town, woodfall, and the ranch all together

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the 2nd game I want to run has no setup guide very interesting

dawn wigeon Feb 28, 2025, 10:08 PM

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MM is really fun actually

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My wife prefers it when playing syncs with me

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They will probably release the whole thing within the next month or so

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 10:09 PM

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apparently recomp has gyro aiming so that might be the one upside to OoTMM

dawn wigeon Feb 28, 2025, 10:09 PM

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But it's nice that it's a pretty quick ~2 hr playthrough in its current state

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I also have been playing a lot of the vanilla recomp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJci2ntS0

YouTube

Dessyreqt

Majora's Mask - Glitchless 3-day/2-cycle challenge - Single Segment...

After doing my last run of this, I kept thinking that I should be doing it all as a single segment run. I also thought of a few improvements. No, this isn't really a competitive speedrun, as I haven't looked up any strats since posting the last video. What I have done:

Remove usage of Stray Fairy rewards, replacing them with a lot of magic dr...

▶ Play video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOOodEiIt-4

YouTube

Dessyreqt

Majora's Mask - Glitchless 4-cycle 100% in 8:49:50

This is my presentation of a 4-cycle glitchless 100% route for Majora's Mask, using the Recompiled version for the PC. I wouldn't classify this as a glitchless speedrun, while it would fall into that ruleset, I'm not looking to go as fast as possible, simply complete the challenge of doing a 100% playthrough of Majora's Mask with the minimum pos...

▶ Play video

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 10:10 PM

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200 views!

dawn wigeon Feb 28, 2025, 10:10 PM

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lol

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the 100% has a little more because I posted it to the majora's mask subreddit

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It's a tougher run, at least the way I did it because I still did all four dungeons in the first non-deku cycle, I just did a few more things too

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I'm working on a hopefully 6-cycle 100% run that doesn't use inverted song of time and only uses super baby strats

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The routing has been challenging to say the least

weary lagoon Feb 28, 2025, 10:15 PM

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Looks like Kirby Super Star is getting an update today so ill wait with submitting until tomorrow

tender pelican Mar 1, 2025, 3:55 AM

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📎 LlisandurAP.zip

dawn wigeon Mar 1, 2025, 7:08 AM

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The SOTN world isn't the latest version, it's the version just before as the latest version actually is missing a few features and doesn't have a working tracker at the moment.

📎 Dessy-SMZ3.yaml 📎 Dessy-OW.yaml 📎 Dessy-SOTN.yaml 📎 sotn.apworld

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 3:39 PM

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an #apworld-index channel just dropped, listing both supported and unsupported AP games: https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1343416927871307776

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 3:40 PM

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Hell yeah

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We really need resources that are off discord

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 3:41 PM

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there are arguments both ways on that, since the thing to link for an unsupported game is always a Discord thread

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 3:41 PM

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The thing to link for an unsupported game should be the GitHub page

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 3:42 PM

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(I don't really have a strong opinion on this myself since all of these lists and indices feel like a bandaid on a bullet hole to me; the real problem is the supported/unsupported split in its current form making no sense)

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 3:42 PM

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Either way, my goal is to let people who don't play archipelago know which games they can play. A list of names with no links would do, and the Google spreadsheet is too much info

dawn wigeon Mar 1, 2025, 4:41 PM

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fresh hill (I don't really have a strong opinion on this myself since all of these lists an...

Yes I've had ideas of maybe writing a "package manager" for archipelago that would just grab updates for the various worlds from their githubs and check versions and such. I will probably never write such a thing but yeah they should move toward that sort of model IMO where the core is updated separately from the worlds.

tender pelican Mar 1, 2025, 5:51 PM

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I agree about the github, but like for FF4FE apworld, the person is really bad about updating github so the latest one is pinned in the Discord channel.

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 5:57 PM

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yeah, part of the problem is that without some official package manager-like workflow (or getting way more liberal about what goes on the main webhost), there's not a clear and unambiguous and well-incentivized standard for random apworld authors to code up to

cold valve Mar 1, 2025, 5:59 PM

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looks like nothing has updated in either of my games, so @midnight depot you may reuse the yamls and apworld from last month

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Got it! Will do

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 6:24 PM

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I was hoping for a Kirby update before I submit since death link isnt working

dawn wigeon Mar 1, 2025, 6:28 PM

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At least you don't have to go back a version :/

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Hi.

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We're starting tomorrow so let's audit everything

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My YAMLs are ready. Octy is reusing hollow knight and starcraft 2 unchanged. Artiks provided me MM recomp and wants to add another game. Llisandur will rejoin with the same four games, Dessyreqt will join with SMZ3, Outer Wilds, Symphony of the Night. Dr. Romulus will reuse the same YAMLs from last month.

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 7:51 PM

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are we getting multiple OW players the month I can't join in

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 7:53 PM

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I'd run OW too if my computer would

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We are already at 14 games

📎 Players.zip

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 7:59 PM

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should I throw in factorio or is that too cursed :P

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it tends to be a little bursty

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:00 PM

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Factorio was fine when I ran it

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It's a bit of a hassle since you need to run a server instance and a client instance

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 8:00 PM

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yeah i have no issues with the setup

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:00 PM

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If you're including space age it might take too long

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 8:00 PM

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there's no SA support yet regardless

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:01 PM

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Just pick biter settings according to the worst case

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 8:01 PM

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  world_gen:
    peaceful_mode: true

:3c

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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Yeah that'd work

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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I feel like, for AP games you've played before and verified are fun for you (with the same options), the only way to get unexpected problems in a multiworld is if the game has an absurd number of locations/items, or a lot of "junk progression" that confuses the other players, etc

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~~item links fall into "expected" problems~~

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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im gonna turn on death link for the luls

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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I was just implementing death link today actually

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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oh i forgot to tweak the name

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📎 octyFactory.yaml

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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I'll add it in, thanks

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We can start as soon as Artiks submits the other games he has

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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o

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where do I put my apworlds again..

fresh hill Mar 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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these days you can double-click them to get an install prompt from AP

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or move them into /custom_worlds/ yourself

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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📎 ArtiKSS.yaml 📎 kss.apworld

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:27 PM

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Wait a minute, I didn't add MM to the players list

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Almost missed it

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:27 PM

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that would have been a short AP for me

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only super star

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Now we have 17 games

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I trust you've tested to make sure you can send and receive checks to your new games, so let's generate, and if it succeeds we can start right away

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:29 PM

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I havent but I think I did everything right FrierenProud2

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if you want to we can make a test game with MM and KSS

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:33 PM

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We can make a test game with all the game and if it works we make it the real game

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Exception: Item Great Fairy's Mask from option StartInventory(Bunny Hood: 1, Song of Soaring: 1, Great Fairy's Mask: 1) is not a valid item name from Majora's Mask Recompiled. Did you mean 'Great Fairy Mask' (88% sure)

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:33 PM

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see thats what I was thinking but its good to know we're on the same page

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oops

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:34 PM

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I'll fix it

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It's generating!

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

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is that like a 5 min thing or 30 min thing

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just wondering if I should boot up another game while waiting Frieren8

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

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15

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

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chess it is

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Wait, it's already done

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That doesn't sound right

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:37 PM

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its Ok I queued 3|2

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well theres no OoT is there

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:37 PM

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There's one

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I guess it's fine

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Game is up at https://archipelago.gg/room/YQOkHxMYRtqA8w_EXVLCHA

Archipelago

Multiworld YQOkHxMYRtqA8w_EXVLCHA

17 Players Multiworld
running on archipelago.gg with port 57736

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Here are all the patch files

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@weary lagoon, @dawn wigeon, @cold valve, @tender pelican, @proven holly, the game is up! Let me know if you need anything or if something is wrong

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Let's play Ape Escape

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:48 PM

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my favorite part of this game is when it asks "is this your first time playing?" and you say no and then they ask "should we explain the copy ability?" and you say no again and they explain it

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Surely I dont need a tracker for Kirby..

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:49 PM

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You'll be fine until day 23

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:51 PM

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ArtiKSS sent Ladders near Dark Tomb to LlisandurFox (Spring Breeze - Whispy Woods)

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it works!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Nice

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FlitterAE sent Grubsong to octyKnight (Time Station Mailbox - Welcome! (Main))

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:52 PM

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I would like to be sent at least one copy ability before playing this game though

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:52 PM

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Coward

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You should play Kirby killing every enemy by puffing on them, swallowing them, or slide kicking them

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FlitterAE sent Pegasus Boots to La DxRomulus (Time Station Mailbox - Save Station (Main))
FlitterAE sent Trident to FlitterGS (Time Station Mailbox - Training Space (Gadget Training))

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:55 PM

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you just killed me in the level completion dance

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:55 PM

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Sorry, my controller misinputs sometimes

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It's only a problem on Wabi Sabi Wall, and I only had one check there

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And Ape Escape is stuck

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Need gadgets and levels to proceed

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ArtiKSS sent Magic Bean Pack to FlitterOoT (Spring Breeze - Kracko)

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I'll play OoT next

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:58 PM

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ArtiKSS found their Zebra Mask (Spring Breeze - King Dedede)

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my what..

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Kirby is in BK mode

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Probably a treasure item

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 8:59 PM

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I must be sent new subgames to continue

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do you think im meant to replace localhost with archipelago.gg

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or just put the right number

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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What file is it?

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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apconnect.txt for MM

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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Probably archipelago.gg but you should ask in the thread or read the guide

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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im on the guide it says fill it out with your server connection information

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ill try it

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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Yep, then archipelago.gg

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Im a little confused what they mean by select ROM

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just the game rom?

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Yeah

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The recomp project automatically takes the game rom and compiles it again for your PC

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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what the hell is the point of the recompiled PC version if you still need the rom

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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You don't need an emulator

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:07 PM

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No I need this specific program instead of an all around emulator ..

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:07 PM

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Yeah

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I definitely think the recomp is worse than a proper decompilation like Ship of Harkinian

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But it has some advantages (which I don't care about)

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:08 PM

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looks like im connected

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guess ill open a text client on the side

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:08 PM

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For this seed, I started in Kakariko as child

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This is the very first seed where I didn't start at Link's house

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:09 PM

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they force start you with song of time and ocarina

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kindergarten..

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though I cant save the game like in ootmm because I have no sword and no way to get a deku stick

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:12 PM

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Pots and crates and beehives are not shuffled

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:13 PM

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they dont put a 100 zeldas letters around

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Gold Skulltula Tokens have:
30 - Dessy's Boomerang
40 - Dessy's heart vessel

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:14 PM

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ArtiMM sent Hookshot to La DxRomulus (Laundry Pool Stray Fairy (Clock Town))

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:14 PM

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weary lagoon

Custom models is one benefit of the recomp over an emulator

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:14 PM

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oh duh I can save just play song of time

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Thanks for Ocarina

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:16 PM

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its gray if its junk i guess

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:27 PM

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FlitterOoT sent MapMM to Dessy-SMZ3 (Market Bazaar Item 7)

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My daytime Market shops have:
DessyOW's Electrical insulation (145 rupees),
Artiks's Room Key, (155)
I need a wallet to buy those

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:31 PM

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bro..

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Oh I tabbed out

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Deathlink Count: 2

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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ArtiMM sent Monarch_Wings to octyKnight (Stock Pot Inn Employees Only Room Chest)

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wowie

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:35 PM

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My controller ran out of battery

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That's it for me today, I guess

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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weary lagoon ArtiMM sent Monarch_Wings to octyKnight (Stock Pot Inn Employees Only Room Chest...

lmao

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Plenty to do tomorrow https://i.imgur.com/tzkCtYE.png

Imgur

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:37 PM

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wonder if the postman 10 second game will be easier or harder on 60 fps

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:40 PM

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I should probably buy a new controller instead of buying yet another low quality charging cable

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This one already requires me to hold it a specific way to charge

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What's a good modern USB-C based controller? The PS5 one? I don't intend to use the fancy analog triggers

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:43 PM

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very happy with my xbox controller

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:44 PM

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Which Xbox controller?

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:44 PM

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well mine is the expensive variant

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Xbox Elite Series 2

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dont they say xbox controllers work much better natively on PC than PS controllers? thats why I went for one

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and its been perfect

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Both my games are in BK mode now!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:45 PM

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Steam makes any controller basically work

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So I only have to worry about the hardware

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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yeah but I like that I can do it without steam

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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I don't care

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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it was such a mega hassle with the switch pro controller

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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Anything I need to do I can launch through Steam

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 9:46 PM

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barely worked half the time

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18/140 12.86%

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yeah the current MM implementation is very short..

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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I believe I have this one https://www.xbox.com/en-US/accessories/controllers/xbox-wireless-controller but I actually use it wired most of the time because my computers BT sucks lol

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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I'm interested in something that is wireless because I am very clumsy with wires

proven holly Mar 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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it's lasted about 3 year so far

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I did have to get joystick covers cause my hands melted them but that seems to be a me problem mostly

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Happened to me once! Not sure which controller it was

wispy sigil Mar 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Xbox controllers will have the easiest native wireless support with Windows.

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:50 PM

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Don't care about support, I just want the hardware to be good

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They should just make a PS4 controller with USB-C. That would be nice

wispy sigil Mar 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

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proven holly I did have to get joystick covers cause my hands melted them but that seems to b...

Oh geez I end up doing that to controller sticks and my mouse too
Something about my particular brand of finger sweat/grease just destroys the rubber they like to use on mice and joysticks. I've had to put replacement grip tape on my G502 so many times.

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:53 PM

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What the hell

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PS4 controllers are now the same price as PS5 and Xbox Wireless controllers

wispy sigil Mar 1, 2025, 9:54 PM

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I've seen hardware mods to convert PS4 controllers to USB C. They're little custom boards that replace the microUSB port inside the controller shell. It can be done if you really want it.

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

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wispy sigil I've seen hardware mods to convert PS4 controllers to USB C. They're little cust...

I don't want it enough to do that. I think I want something off the shelf

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For some reason Amazon undercuts all the local retailers by a huge margin

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35%

rare oxide Mar 1, 2025, 10:13 PM

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📎 ryan.zip

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Put me in coach!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:14 PM

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Oh no

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We already started!

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You should indicate that you're joining so I wait for you before generating

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I can ask everyone if they want to do over and add you

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@weary lagoon, you're the only other person you played, but you finished like 15% of Majora's Mask. Do we cancel this game and start over with Ryan?

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 10:16 PM

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sure

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:16 PM

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Great

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 10:17 PM

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I think I played like 20 min

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:17 PM

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I was going to bed but I'll go and generate again

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If anyone has last-minute changes let me know

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All right. Today's game is cancelled

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Ryan is joining with Super Mario World and Megaman X

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Let me make sure everything is ready and generate

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Oh right, and Golden Sun also has a new APworld that I forgot to include

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Let me update it

tender pelican Mar 1, 2025, 10:31 PM

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You said earlier today that you're starting tomorrow. XD

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Ooh, for this month I'm going to try setting scale_EXP to 15x, and then never fight any enemies to see if that still trivializes the game

rare oxide Mar 1, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Aww Regan misinformed me then. :(

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:31 PM

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tender pelican You said earlier today that you're starting tomorrow. XD

Yes, I did!

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However, the tradition is if everyone who said they wanted to join is ready, there's no need to delay unless I can't be at my computer

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So starting tomorrow means we start no later than tomorrow

rare oxide Mar 1, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Okay it’s fine if you guys are already rolling. I’ll catch the next one.

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:33 PM

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No no

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We're starting over. We have barely played

rare oxide Mar 1, 2025, 10:34 PM

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Okay, if you’re all cool with it, thank you!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 10:36 PM

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I'm ready. Let's generate again

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Oh I gotta find my SMW rom

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I thought this game didn't need a ROM to generate anymore

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And it's generating!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Generation done. Let's host it

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https://archipelago.gg/room/B5sAbvp3RyOX-OrCL9Q5kQ

Archipelago

Multiworld B5sAbvp3RyOX-OrCL9Q5kQ

19 Players Multiworld
running on archipelago.gg with port 50314

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Pin is updated

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These are the NEW patch files

📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P9_FlitterGS.apgstla 📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P12_LlisandurFF4.apff4fe 📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P14_LlisandurMom.apeb 📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P18_ryanmmx.apmmx 📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P1_ArtiKSS.apkss 📎 AP_80145330467199853360_P5_Dessy-SOTN.apsotn

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I'll delete the old ones

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Oh and one more thing

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If anyone randomized their YAML, here's what the results are:

📎 message.txt

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Oh shit

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Shuffle Grotto/Grave Entrances:  Yes
Shuffle Dungeon Entrances:       All
Shuffle Overworld Entrances:     No

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It's another fucked up entrance rando seed

rare oxide Mar 1, 2025, 11:21 PM

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Thank you everyone!

midnight depot Mar 1, 2025, 11:23 PM

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Shuffle Crates: All
Item Pool: Scarce

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Might be rough

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 11:32 PM

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😅

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Rom just lost his pegasus boots and hookshot hes gonna be PISSED...

cold valve Mar 1, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Nah

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I'd rather ryan get to play

weary lagoon Mar 1, 2025, 11:48 PM

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wowowowow relax relax you'll get em back

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 12:44 AM

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midnight depot I definitely think the recomp is worse than a proper decompilation like Ship of ...

I'm curious why you think that, you need the rom for both

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They are both "proper decompilation" projects

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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Whether you need the ROM is irrelevant

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 12:46 AM

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BTW if you ever decide to setup your own archipelago server, it's not too difficult to do assuming you have web space setup somewhere, plus you don't have to distribute the patch files if you install the custom worlds on the server

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 12:48 AM

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I'm not interested in doing that because the website serves my purpose!

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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I was actually going to offer up my server for the purposes of this and install all the custom worlds to it but we're already going so no big

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 12:50 AM

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The reason I prefer 2ship2harkinian is that I think static decompilation is a shortcut and leads to less modifiable and less well documented code compared to doing the work and augmenting the static decompilation with dynamic decompilation and other data methods

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The automated recompilation tool is just not the same as humans going through the software and taking care to ensure it's translated correctly

fresh hill Mar 2, 2025, 12:59 AM

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what do "static" and "dynamic" mean in the context of decompilation?

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 1:04 AM

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Static decompilation is just static analysis. You read the machine code and through automated means produce source code that does the same. It fails with obfuscation, self modifying code and other tricks designed to foil reverse engineering. Sometimes the code it spits out is incomplete or wrong. It sometimes fails to recover structures like loops or switch cases, because the compiler unrolled them for you.

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With dynamic decompilation you run the program and analyze it in real time, monitoring memory, registers, function calls. It tends to reconstruct code more accurately, allows you to reconstruct control flow graphs better and understand how the game runs. It is also less reliant on debug symbols.

fresh hill Mar 2, 2025, 1:09 AM

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oooh, that makes sense

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 1:09 AM

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Dynamic decompilation is harder and needs work to get right, and usually, the best thing to do is both

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Ship of Harkinian does it right:
They iteratively did static decompilation and analyzed it and modified it until it compiled into a byte-for-byte copy of the ROM's code,
Then they did dynamic analysis to nail the handwritten assembly, compressed assets and structures generated at runtime, extracted stuff from memory as the game was running, and mapped the game inside out with the help of the Zelda decompilation project.
Then they abstracted hardware-specific function calls, rewrote optimizations, and made the game much more portable.

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The result is something portable, extensible and modifiable.

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The recomp did not set about with extensibility and moddability as goals. It mostly went for accuracy to the original, with enough portability that it's playable on modern hardware

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 1:52 AM

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Pretty productive sphere 1 for SOTN:

Dessy-SOTN sent Wintertime to ArtiKSS (NZ0 - Cloth cape)
Dessy-SOTN sent Hidden Gorge Painting Code to Dessy-OW (NZ0 - Basilard)
Dessy-SOTN sent Surface Integrity Scanner to Dessy-OW (NO1 - Life Vessel)
Dessy-SOTN sent Lamp to Dessy-SMZ3 (NZ0 - Hide cuirass)
Dessy-SOTN sent Broom to La DxRomulus (Cube of Zoe)
Dessy-SOTN sent 3 Explosive Pellets to FlitterAE (NZ0 - Potion)
Dessy-SOTN sent World Key to FlitterAE (NO3 - Heart Vessel (Teleport exit))
Dessy-SOTN sent World Key to FlitterAE (NO3 - Life Vessel (Bellow shield potion))
Dessy-SOTN sent World Key to FlitterAE (NO3 - Turkey)
Dessy-SOTN sent Shard to LlisandurFF1 (NO3 - Pot roast)
Dessy-SOTN sent Banshee to octy_SC2 (NZ0 - Resist thunder)
Dessy-SOTN sent Charm_Notch to octyKnight (Faerie Scroll)
Dessy-SOTN sent Crystal_Heart to octyKnight (LIB - Bronze cuirass)
Dessy-SOTN sent Godtuner to octyKnight (NO3 - Heart Vessel (Above Death))
Dessy-SOTN sent Simple_Key to octyKnight (NO1 - Mirror cuirass)
Dessy-SOTN sent Heart Tank to ryanmmx (NO1 - Heart Vessel)
Dessy-SOTN sent Sub Tank to ryanmmx (NO3 - Shield Potion)
Dessy-SOTN sent Progressive Powerup to ryansmw (NO1 - Gladius)

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 1:53 AM

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No need to worry about pellets, cookies, chips or jackets in ape escape

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 1:53 AM

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Oh I'm sure some of it's not useful... I put in my own stuff too, just dumped everything that's not marked filler

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Though I'm definitely very happy about the lamp 😄

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 1:54 AM

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The only relevant items are world keys, and gadgets (stun club, net, slingback shooter, flyer, radar, rc car, magic punch, super hoop) and the progressive swimming

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 2:00 AM

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SMZ3 next

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 2:52 AM

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SMZ3 done but I closed the window before copying stuff, so assume you got something nice and thank me for it 😄

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 2:52 AM

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Thank you

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I'll share the log if I remember tomorrow

dawn wigeon Mar 2, 2025, 4:10 AM

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OW done for now:

Dessy-OW sent Armor to ArtiKSS (GD: Find Gabbro's Statue)
Dessy-OW sent MoonPearl to Dessy-SMZ3 (AR: Riebeck's Signal Locator Recorder)
Dessy-OW sent Small Key (Key Cavern) to La DxRomulus (BH: Riebeck's Surface Campsite Note)
Dessy-OW sent Boomerang to FlitterOoT (TH: Ghost Matter Plaque)
Dessy-OW sent Bottle with Fish to FlitterOoT (TH: Zero-G Repairs)
Dessy-OW sent World Key to FlitterAE (TH: Talk to Tektite about Bramble Seed)
Dessy-OW sent Gold Questagon to LlisandurFox (BH: Riebeck's Southern Observatory Recorder)
Dessy-OW sent Gold Questagon to LlisandurFox (GD: Gabbro's Camp Fuel Tank)
Dessy-OW sent Ladders in South Atoll to LlisandurFox (BH: Riebeck's Camp Fuel Tank)
Dessy-OW sent Ladders in Swamp to LlisandurFox (TH: Receive Hide & Seek Frequency)
Dessy-OW sent Kinetic Blast (Kerrigan Tier 1) to octy_SC2 (ET: QM Locator Fuel Tank)
Dessy-OW sent Grub to octyKnight (ET: Enter Sunless City)
Dessy-OW sent King_Fragment to octyKnight (ET: Chert's QM Locator Recorder)
Dessy-OW sent P-Balloon to ryansmw (TH: Get the Translator from Hal)

weary lagoon Mar 2, 2025, 2:58 PM

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lets beat spring breeze again

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ArtiKSS sent TwentyRupees to Dessy-SMZ3 (Spring Breeze - Whispy Woods)

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ArtiKSS sent Yellow Switch Palace to ryansmw (Spring Breeze - Lololo & Lalala)

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ArtiKSS sent Lucky Pepper to FlitterGS (Spring Breeze - Kracko)

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ArtiKSS sent Varia to Dessy-SMZ3 (Spring Breeze - King Dedede)

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Thats all for Kirby

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I have bombs in MM this time

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ArtiMM sent The Arena to ArtiKSS (Stock Pot Inn Reservation)

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oh boy

weary lagoon Mar 2, 2025, 3:41 PM

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thats MM BK mode

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I can do the arena in Kirby now

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without copy abilities NejireAah

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 4:00 PM

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Hi. Log update

📎 message.txt

weary lagoon Mar 2, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Lets give The Arena a shot

weary lagoon Mar 2, 2025, 5:59 PM

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its too hard without abilities

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 6:02 PM

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Yeah.

weary lagoon Mar 2, 2025, 6:02 PM

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I can probably beat it when I have bombs

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or yoyo

rare oxide Mar 2, 2025, 8:14 PM

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Ahh, I did not realize that ALL my powerups and base movements were going to be unlocks. Super Mario World will be more difficult that I had though lmao

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Can’t even pick up turtle shells. XD

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Oh.

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Apparently I cannot swim.

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Gotta find items

rare oxide Mar 2, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Seems like!

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I'll be able to play some later today

rare oxide Mar 2, 2025, 9:40 PM

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Welp. Can’t get past Yoshi’s Island 4 until I get either P block powers or the ability to swim. XD

tender pelican Mar 2, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I randomized enemies in Earthbound. The gang at the beginning of the game is now a bunch of crazy bag ladies. XD

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All the police have been replaced with flies. XD

proven holly Mar 2, 2025, 11:18 PM

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this can't seriously be my starter coal patch wtf https://url.octyl.net/pmqk22q3dgqxsthbh0xd

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okay im saved https://url.octyl.net/il3kinktbx6xvt59njgp

cold valve Mar 2, 2025, 11:26 PM

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ok, time to do my early spheres

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@weary lagoon no worries i started with them this time La DxRomulus found their Pegasus Boots (Tarin's Gift (Mabe Village))

midnight depot Mar 2, 2025, 11:32 PM

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proven holly this can't seriously be my starter coal patch wtf https://url.octyl.net/pmqk22q3...

You can always retry from scratch

cold valve Mar 2, 2025, 11:34 PM

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La DxRomulus sent progressive-processing to octyFactory (Armos Knight (Southern Face Shrine))

proven holly Mar 2, 2025, 11:34 PM

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steel :3

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 12:24 AM

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BK'd in LADX. hints:

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[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Feather is at Champa - Inn - Box in FlitterGS's World. (not found)

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[Hint]: La DxRomulus's Flippers is at Cardia Swamp Island - Chest 2 in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found)

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timber hearth start in outer wilds

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dr rOWmulus sent Shard to LlisandurFF1 (TH Ship Log: Village 1 - Identify)

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dr rOWmulus sent Fire Wave to ryanmmx (TH Ship Log: Village 2 - Statue Eyes Opened)

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dr rOWmulus sent City_Storerooms_Stag to octyKnight (TH: Receive Hide & Seek Frequency)

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dr rOWmulus sent Hookshot to Dessy-SMZ3 (TH: Ghost Matter Plaque)

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dr rOWmulus sent progressive-electric-energy-distribution to octyFactory (TH Ship Log: Zero-G Cave 1 - Identify)

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 12:32 AM

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yay electric poles

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 12:32 AM

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dr rOWmulus sent Simple_Key to octyKnight (TH: Zero-G Repairs)

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how fortuitous dr rOWmulus found their Translator (Timber Hearth) (TH Ship Log: Zero-G Cave 2 - Repair)

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dr rOWmulus sent nuclear-power to octyFactory (TH: Talk to Hornfels)

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 12:35 AM

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i have not even finished red science, this is fair and balanced

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 12:47 AM

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dr rOWmulus sent Charm to ArtiKSS (TH: Talk to Tektite about Bramble Seed)

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dr rOWmulus sent progressive-productivity-module to octyFactory (TH Ship Log: Dark Bramble Seed 3 - Scout Photos)

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speaking of fair and balanced

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 12:48 AM

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prod module 1!

fresh hill Mar 3, 2025, 12:48 AM

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wow your TH is loaded

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 12:53 AM

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every single one of my non-local items has been purple

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 12:54 AM

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what's sad is that i dont have the advanced circuits to make the prod modules yet

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i wonder if making the science cost as much as 2000 may have been a small mistake

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i dont think i had it tweaked to ramp up over time so some of these starter ones are gonna take a hot minute

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i have already located more iron so it shouldnt cause a problem, just slooooooow

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:06 AM

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dr rOWmulus sent ScrewAttack to Dessy-SMZ3 (TH: Hornfels' Radio Tower Campfire Note)

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:09 AM

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octyFactory sent Progressive Strength Upgrade to FlitterOoT (AP-1-211)

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 1:09 AM

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Thanks

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:09 AM

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dr rOWmulus sent Grubsong to octyKnight (TH Ship Log: Nomai Mines 1 - Shell)

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:13 AM

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ow :(

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DeathLink: dr rOWmulus didn’t bounce.

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:13 AM

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does factorio have deathlink?

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:13 AM

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yes

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:13 AM

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how does that work

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:14 AM

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it kills me?

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:14 AM

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oh right you can die

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:14 AM

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lol

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:14 AM

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i usually play on peaceful

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so i only die from trains

fresh hill Mar 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

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so what I'm hearing is Factorio death link spawns a train out of nowhere

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

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lmao

fresh hill Mar 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

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I wonder if you could do a trap item like that

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:15 AM

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BK'd in outer wilds, not enough points for a hint

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and that last death was totally meaningless too, i was just returning to my ship to confirm i had no checks left and i hit the ground too hard

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:16 AM

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octyFactory sent Homing Torpedo to ryanmmx (AP-1-342)

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:17 AM

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i need either warp codes or launch codes to open it up

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signalscope would open a few

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i might be able to fling myself up a geyser and manage to hit the moon and get more checks there, but that's a long shot if i'm really bored

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:19 AM

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oh this is gonna suck after a while https://url.octyl.net/oxvqm6hwilf0ckw4ilz5

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i hope i find more coal lol

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 1:22 AM

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fresh hill I wonder if you could do a trap item like that

Not in Factorio. Trains can never derail

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:22 AM

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vanilla no, but I think you could make your own entity that does effectively the same thing

cold valve Mar 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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spawn a train track with a train on it that has a shitload of momentum right on top of the player

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i guess that doesn't work if the player is on a belt or in their base or something

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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teleport the player to another surface where they are stuck in place at the end of a rail line, and then a nuclear powered train comes in and you have some small amount of time to try and dodge it

i think the corpse should be moveable to the original surface afterwards to prevent it deleting all your items as well, but not sure

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 1:27 AM

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With the Space Age implementation, the train crash prevention suit can protect from that

proven holly Mar 3, 2025, 1:42 AM

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octy_SC2 sent Crown to LlisandurFF1 (Lab Rat: West Zergling Group)

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octy_SC2 sent Gold Questagon to LlisandurFox (The Outlaws: Close Resource Pickups)

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octyFactory sent Land Title Deed to ArtiMM (AP-1-978)

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octy_SC2 sent Letter to Kafei to ArtiMM (Domination: Southeast Baneling Nest)

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octyFactory sent Gold Crown to ArtiKSS (AP-1-362)

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octy_SC2 sent Limbo Warp Patch to Dessy-OW (Domination: Center Infested Command Center)
octy_SC2 sent KeyGT to Dessy-SMZ3 (Domination: Southwest Baneling Nest)

rare oxide Mar 3, 2025, 3:50 AM

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omg I can run full speed now!

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Woo!

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 3:50 AM

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I also picked up your Storm Eagle access codes.

rare oxide Mar 3, 2025, 3:50 AM

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Nice!

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 3:58 AM

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Found your swim.

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@rare oxide

rare oxide Mar 3, 2025, 4:00 AM

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Nice! I can progress in Mario again! lol

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:00 AM

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It was the very last item I could get right now in FF1. XD

rare oxide Mar 3, 2025, 5:31 AM

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I CAN’T PICK UP KEYS! lmao

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Man, playing crippled Mario has been an amusing experience.

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 3:25 PM

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do you start with jump

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:01 PM

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lets play some Majoras Mask

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the framerate is really bad today.. Sometimes my computer just does this, I dont have anything running in the background Frieren3

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@midnight depot do you know what could be the reason? Shouldnt it run fine?

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this isnt the only game that randomly runs like trash

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:08 PM

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I couldn't tell from this information, and even given all the information I can have, I may not be able to tell, but

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The simplest things you can do to figure it out are make sure your storage is not being overwhelmed, your RAM is working fine

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:10 PM

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like space on my ssd?

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:10 PM

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No, not space, like

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Active usage. Make sure other processes are not using it a lot right now

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:11 PM

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May also need to check your page file and see if it's getting too many accesses on it. Running out of drive space can also affect your page file.

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:11 PM

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Yeah

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The biggest offenders are usually discord and your browser, because they make a lot of small file reads and writes

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Typically, you should have at least 20% free on your main drive to let Windows do Windows stuff with the free space.

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:12 PM

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Investigating lag is actually really hard and requires knowing both your system and the game's internals

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:12 PM

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is that one of the numbers in task manager

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:13 PM

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If it's also happening with other games it's likely something else than the game.

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:13 PM

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No, but it is one of the numbers in Process Explorer

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https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

Process Explorer - Sysinternals

Find out what files, registry keys and other objects processes have open, which DLLs they have loaded, and more.

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:13 PM

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On the performance tab you can check your disk access stats.

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I'd have to look up how to get the actual page file stats. I learned how over 5 years ago and I don't remember it anymore.

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Here? Sorry its in another language Frieren3

tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:15 PM

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That's processor, click on the disk.

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:16 PM

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tender pelican Mar 3, 2025, 4:17 PM

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You'd have to run the game for a bit with that up in the background then switch over to it, but it doesn't really look like there's a problem there. It's probably some process that's running the background like your AV doing a virus scan.

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That would definitely cause slowdowns that only happen sometime.

weary lagoon Mar 3, 2025, 4:20 PM

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looks like theres a nvidia update I dont have maybe thats it

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otherwise people are saying check PC temps how do I do that again

midnight depot Mar 3, 2025, 4:25 PM

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https://openhardwaremonitor.org/downloads/

Open Hardware Monitor

Michael Möller

Downloads

#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer