Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer

[midnight depot]

Yes you can but the direction you approach that railing from matters

You can backflip onto the railing from one side but not the other

[midnight depot]

Hi. I'll be arranging an archipelago game for next month. Please pick games if interested and prepare YAML files to give me after I announce it

[midnight depot]

Hello, @here! I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until the end of August. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run (or browse https://multiworld.news/apworlds.html for unsupported games!), then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems.
The game will start July 30th or whenever everyone interested is ready. We did not run a game last month so I'm raring to go!

In order to join, I will need the YAML files for whatever games you want to play. Talk to me if you have any questions or concerns.

[cold valve]

though i might not start until this game jam is done, on wednesday

[midnight depot]

I'll be playing Ocarina of Time (this time with gold skulltula tokens and junk kept local), A Short Hike, and maybe Digimon World if it's good or Hollow Knight or nothing else if it's bad.

Also, remember that unlike the short game we had last time, this one is a long game, so tune your settings so you might have something to play for the whole month.

[midnight depot]

I have updated Archipelago to 0.5.0. You may need to do the same

[midnight depot]

Here are all the YAML files I used last time in case you want to rerun them

Factorio was really good but a hassle to set up and play

[midnight depot]

Wow, Digimon World 1 needs ePSXe 1.9

Who uses that?

[midnight depot]

Digimon World 1 works

But I wish it didn't

Needs a lot of work to be in a fun state. Not going to play it this month

[lament tusk]

I'm gonna step out this month

[midnight depot]

Modified invitation to include https://multiworld.news/apworlds.html

[fierce vale]

i assume people joining file city is the collectable?

[midnight depot]

The only collectible is prosperity points

Uh, I think

The rest is randomized locally

Your starter can be randomized to a random rookie or any digimon

Here's my YAML

[fierce vale]

i am unsure if i'm gonna join this time, i'll choose by tuesday

[midnight depot]

Stats are capped to give a sense of progress

And you find stat caps to improve them. Probably works better if you multiply EXP by more than 1

[fierce vale]

yeah, i would not be touching digimon world 1 without like, a 4* xp multiplier tied to it

[midnight depot]

epsxe 1.9 is just a bad experience

[fierce vale]

prosperity points is an interesting thing though, it would be most interesting to see what being sent those points means

since a lot of things need specific digimon returned

[midnight depot]

Oh here's a spoiler

Specific digimon you find are NOT checks

It's just a hack to ge the pop tracker working

So it looks like the game actually has no locking items

It's just stats

(and stat caps)

[fierce vale]

funky

and theres only like 8 things (including victory0 locked behind prosperity points

[midnight depot]

Maybe in a future version we'll have a polished good implementation, but for now it doesn't sound much different from the regular digimon world randomizer

(with missing features from that)

Okay, let's fix up the OoT YAML so it's ready

[midnight depot]

• updated to AP 0.5.0.
• removed gold skulltula item links. They are now 100% local.
• added a small chance for deadly bonks to be rolled.
• added a small chance for a damage multiplier to be added.
• added pointless trash to local items but kept nice junk untouched: [Arrows (10), Arrows (30), Arrows (5), Bombs (10), Bombs (20), Bombs (5), Deku Nuts (10), Deku Nuts (5), Deku Seeds (30), Deku Stick (1), Gold Skulltula Token, Rupee (1), Rupee (Treasure Chest Game), Rupees (20), Rupees (5)]

[midnight depot]

@weary lagoon I have unpinned your post here #1119170161518334004 message since the game is over.

Just thought I'd let you know in case you wanted to copy it before it was unpinned

[midnight depot]

Meanwhile, I'm going to play a solo OoTMM game just to see if I can do a no logic run yet

Gonna shuffle everything from grass to invisible items to cows, but since the MM dungeons suck I'm going to start them as cleared

[weary lagoon]

ooh no logic

good luck

[midnight depot]

Hi. Is anyone else joining the August game? We start a bit early, on the 30th, unless anyone needs time to get ready.

[tender pelican]

I have forgotten how to set this up. XD

I will get it working tomorrow.

[midnight depot]

Please ping me when you do

[tender pelican]

Ok.

[fresh hill]

I'll be skipping this one, too much else going on atm

[fierce vale]

i shall be skipping too, i am hella eepy and busy

[midnight depot]

All right

[fierce vale]

i also should check new games being developed/added, its been a while since i checked though that wont effect me not playing this month

[midnight depot]

Meganought, Artiks, Ixrec, Chip are not playing. What about the other regulars? @wet field, @sage dawn, interested in this month's archipelago game?

https://multiworld.news/apworlds.html

[fresh hill]

there are sooooo many unsupported games I could theoretically play, but for whatever reason all my interest lately seems to be with new-to-me games

(switching to a new laptop where none of this is set up already is probably another factor)

[midnight depot]

Interesting new games you might like are Balatro, CrossCode, Rift Wizard, Rusted Moss

[fresh hill]

Rusted Moss is actually one of the games I recently bought and will likely start soon

Balatro and CrossCode aren't my thing

[midnight depot]

That's true. They're Chip's thing

[fresh hill]

ah, fair

[midnight depot]

For you there's Animal Well, Rabi Ribi.

[fresh hill]

yep, very aware of Animal Well (I first heard about it because the Tunic rando dev picked it up, I've "finished" it but need to go back for postgame stuff)

Rabi Ribi I tried ages ago and found it very disappointing, honestly don't understand the hype

[midnight depot]

It's a metroidvania but also a bullet hell

[fresh hill]

(granted there's a lot of games I try, don't find particularly great and just never mention unless asked)

[fierce vale]

i did take a peak at rift wizard, but didnt like the implementation, i'll have to look at the other 3

satisfactory is apparently in there too which could be interesting since you dont have to do the favtorio shenaniganstm

[midnight depot]

I don't think any game can be an analog for Factorio

[lament tusk]

Could I get a link to wherever you're finding this stuff? I'm curious

[fresh hill]

https://discord.com/channels/731205301247803413/1009608126321922180 is the forum channel on the Archipelago server where all the unsupported games hang out, filter it by the "playable" tag

[midnight depot]

https://multiworld.news/apworlds.html

[fresh hill]

and- yeah that's the other good resource

[lament tusk]

Ah thanks

I more meant their discord

[midnight depot]

In Multiworld news a guy keeps an eye on every new game and posts updates

[fresh hill]

both have their uses

[midnight depot]

It's basically the same as browsing the discord forum but only if you trust him

[fresh hill]

lol

it's also much faster for just scanning names

[fierce vale]

yeah, thats my problem, 99% of the time when i boot up a factoriolike, within 5 minutes im thinking i could be playing favtorio

[fresh hill]

while the discord threads have the setup instructions pinned and let you chat and get support

[fierce vale]

me typing favtorio is never intentionel but its funny so i leave it

[lament tusk]

Ocarina of time (n64)
Ocarina of time but it's just master quest
Water temple (n64)

Amazing

[midnight depot]

That one is older than the website

[fresh hill]

there are so many good joke "games"

[midnight depot]

This one is not one of them

[lament tusk]

I might look into some of these for next time, paper mario would be fun for example

But not this month, having the rando cut short sucked

[fierce vale]

i went into the after dark server to see balatro and its very funny seeing like, balatro-skyrim-porn game-sekiro-huniepop 2

[fresh hill]

I was just skimming that same list because of the RE2&3 remakes lol

ratings systems are weird

the AD server logo being all white keeps making me think of white skittles

[tender pelican]

@midnight depot

[midnight depot]

Thanks!

That's everyone who expressed interest, so unless anyone else wants to join and needs more time, we will start early tomorrow. In about 16 hours

[sage dawn]

I want to join give me like 20 minutes

[midnight depot]

Hell yes

[sage dawn]

Playing Sonic Adventure 2 lol

[midnight depot]

Oh no

Doesn't SA2B have upwards of several thousand checks in the right conditions?

[sage dawn]

I turned off most of the chao checks

I only left black market on

[midnight depot]

I wonder how many checks that will be

[sage dawn]

Basically just have emblems, chao keys, black market, and gold beetles.

Black market I have on 64 checks

It's configurable

[midnight depot]

All right. I will generate as soon as Kratta RSVPs

[sage dawn]

Next time I'll pick settings that add the most number of checks possible and dominate the entire item pool uwuuuuuu

[midnight depot]

It's okay I'll just set all your items to local

[fresh hill]

from what I heard this only happens if you choose some very implausible options

[weary lagoon]

Yaymy rose 🤣

[sage dawn]

Yeah you can have one check for every possible point in a chao stat

[wet field]

here you go

[midnight depot]

Hi

Let's collect YAMLs that I haven't already, make sure nothing is wrong and then generate

I generated a solo game with SA2B using yay's YAML on the website instead of locally

It took twelve hours to generate (???) and had 273 checks

[lament tusk]

twelve hours? christ

[midnight depot]

Let's see. We have Dr. Romulus with one game. Me with two. Llisandur with four. Yay and Kratta with one.

I'm excited to see how the original Legend of Zelda works

I also wonder if Archipelago 0.5.0 fixed Stone beaks so we can put them anywhere

Love commenting out priority locations

Turns out I need the legend of Zelda ROM.

Do I have that already?

@tender pelican I don't have the Legend of Zelda so I cannot generate.

Oh yeah, I do have it. It was in my NAS

The game is up @cold valve, @wet field, @tender pelican and @sage dawn https://archipelago.gg/room/yBoM_7ySQces0Q7AJF-eJw

Pin updated

Let's play A Short Hike

Goddamn cat wants to play ball with me

The game involves:
1- Cat brings me a ball.
2- I throw the ball.
3- Cat chases it for half a second.
4- I go and fetch the ball, then throw it again

Magic Powders for everyone, Progressive Strength Upgrades for everyone

Flitterbird sent Angler Key to DrRomLADX (White Coast Trail Chest)
Flitterbird sent Song of Storms to kroot (Sid Beach Chest)
Flitterbird sent BowWow to LlisandurLADX (Sid Beach Seashell)
Flitterbird sent Ice Arrows to kroot (Stick Under Sid Beach Umbrella)
Flitterbird sent Progressive Sword to LlisandurLADX (Visitor's Center Beach Seashell)
Flitterbird sent Frog's Song of Soul to LlisandurLADX (Caravan Arch Chest)
Flitterbird sent Bombchus to kroot (Beach Hut Cliff Toy Shovel)

Flitterbird sent Gold Leaf to LlisandurLADX (House North Beach Seashell)
Flitterbird sent Triforce Fragment to LlisandurLoZ (Good Creek Path East Chest)
Flitterbird sent Stepladder to LlisandurLoZ (Blackwood Forest Golden Feather)

Flitterbird sent Ballad of the Wind Fish to LlisandurLADX (Orange Islands South Hidden Chest)
Flitterbird sent Mega Grenade to LlisandurMQ (Orange Islands Bucket Rock)
Flitterbird sent Thunder Drum to LlisandurLADX (Visitor's Center Shop Golden Feather 1)

Let's stop here

I have not found a single junk check

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play OoT

Thanks for strength, water temple key ring

LlisandurMQ sent Deku Shield to FlitterOoT (Bone Dungeon B1 - Checker Room Box)
FlitterOoT found their Weird Egg (KF Midos Top Right Chest)
LlisandurMQ sent Ocarina to FlitterOoT (Bone Dungeon B2 - Spines Room Alcove Box)

Ah, overworld is not randomized this time

But bonks do quadruple damage!

Beehives and crates are shuffled

FlitterOoT sent Kokiri Sword to kroot (LW Ocarina Memory Game)

We're already up to sphere 6

I am in BK mode, so let's play more A Short Hike in hope of letting me free

[tender pelican]

I got lucky with items in FFMQ.

BK in FFMQ until I get a sword.

[midnight depot]

Progressive Hookshot for me

Flitterbird sent Serenade of Water to kroot (Secret Island Bottom Chest)

Best not get every check immediately so I'll stop

[tender pelican]

Hm, archipelago text client on Linux appimage causes the pc to max out cpu. Weird.

[midnight depot]

I fixed the Short Hike tracker maxing out my GPU

I downscaled the image by 10, reduced location coordinates by 90% to fit

[tender pelican]

Nice.

I need to figure out how the trackers work so I can make a better FF1 tracker.

[wet field]

Tracker of time is so rough, but I kind of love it

[midnight depot]

I love Tracker of Time

[fresh hill]

IME the games with trackers that "need work" are also the ones with maddeningly complex options so no one ever seems to volunteer for them

[tender pelican]

Crap, I forgot to turn off blursed weapons/armor. They updated the FF1 randomizer page and it deleted all my old settings.

Oh well.

[midnight depot]

OoT actually has an archipelago pop tracker in development

It supports all logic tricks and archipelago options

[fresh hill]

cool

wonder how that overlaps with the OoTMM situation

[midnight depot]

The only problem is it doesn't read my save

Tracker of Time is invaluable BECAUSE it reads my save and goes through the items I have not found in my game, and also reads my memory and gives me a minimap for Reverse Wasteland

Ugh

Now the pack developer wants me to do a pull request

I don't wanna do work I just wanna play

[midnight depot]

Good morning. Let's play OoT

Thanks for hookshot, keys, spirit temple boss key, bombs!, nocturne of shadow, goron tunic

[midnight depot]

My 40 gold skulltula tokens has power bracelet for Dr. Romulus

Never ceases to amuse

Hookshot for Kroot

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Pegasus Boots to DrRomLADX (Song from Malon)

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT's Kokiri Sword is at Good Creek Path West Chest in Flitterbird's World. (not found)

Let's get this fast

[midnight depot]

I can't get the controller working

I have fixed it by trying everything that I already tried but this time it worked

Flitterbird sent Kokiri Sword to FlitterOoT (Good Creek Path West Chest)
Flitterbird sent Magic Bean Pack to FlitterOoT (Meteor Lake Buried Chest)
Flitterbird sent Progressive Shield to DrRomLADX (Stone Tower Golden Chest)
Flitterbird sent Knuckles - Mystic Melody to YaymyRose (Outlook Point Dog Gift)

Flitterbird sent Requiem of Spirit to kroot (Secret Island Treehouse Chest)
Flitterbird sent Fire Arrows to FlitterOoT (Visitor's Center Buried Chest)

We are already at sphere tenish

[cold valve]

I'll be able to play tonight after work, been busy with the game jam

[midnight depot]

You did say you can't play on account or the game jam, and you did finish it

Penumbra looks neat

[sage dawn]

I obtaina the items

[cold valve]

i did not end up having time to play today, i will start tomorrow after work

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play

Thanks for golden feathers

[midnight depot]

Let's stop here and play OoT.

Highlights: Magic for Kratta. Uh, more stuff? I didn't have the tracker on

Thanks for fire arrows, kokiri sword, beans, nayru's love, poe in a bottle!, water temple boss key, slingshot!, bombchus!, forest temple boss key, and 600 rupees when I can only hold 99

WHAT

FlitterOoT sent Seashell to LlisandurLADX (Deku Tree Lower Lobby Recovery Heart)

Oh nooo

Shuffle Rupees & Hearts: Dungeons

[lament tusk]

thats not so bad

[midnight depot]

It means I have to learn instead of have fun

Also Tracker of Time doesn't track it

Which means I have to do a second pass on every dungeon

Let's fight Gohma

And dead

FlitterOoT sent Rouge - Mystic Melody to YaymyRose (LW Target in Woods)

Why do my shops only have progression?

Glad I didn't put this off

[midnight depot]

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Song of Time is at Ganons Castle Fire Trial Recovery Heart in FlitterOoT's World at Kakariko Village -> Bottom of the Well. (not found) what the hell

[midnight depot]

Almost in BK mode. Gotta manually go through the list of checks to confirm I haven't missed anything

All done

[midnight depot]

Hi. I've been playing the new update of Dome Keeper. The Guild Assignments functionality is really, really good and a great fit for a longer archipelago.

It gives you a fixed set of challenge missions, each with a modifier changing the run, and a reward for beating it.

[lament tusk]

That's great actually

I should pick up that game

[cold valve]

ok i can finally play

holy shit i got a lot of stuff already

thanks!

DrRomLADX sent Power Bracelet to LlisandurLoZ (Shop 980 Item (Mabe Village))

[tender pelican]

Nice.

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Slingshot to FlitterOoT (Cave Crystal Chest (Mysterious Woods))

DrRomLADX sent Fishing Journal to Flitterbird (In the Moat Heart Piece (Kanalet Castle))

DrRomLADX sent DragonArmor to LlisandurFF1 (Damp Cave Heart Piece (Tal Tal Heights))

DrRomLADX sent Song of Time to kroot (Outside D3 Ledge Dig (Ukuku Prairie)) @wet field

DrRomLADX sent Golden Feather to Flitterbird (Island Bush of Destiny (Martha's Bay))

[wet field]

Oh let's go that's class

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Cave Under Lanmola (Yarna Desert))

[cold valve]

man i've got kroot like 700 rupees

[wet field]

I can hold 200

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Deku Nut Capacity to FlitterOoT (Bullshit Room (Color Dungeon))

[cold valve]

lel

[wet field]

Bullshit Room

[cold valve]

yeah it's fuckin bullshit

[wet field]

I can tell!

[cold valve]

my feather is gonna take a long time, @tender pelican needs to get into level 8. don't know about the hookshot, @midnight depot i will not be able to get either of these for a while

i am BK'd for now, got a shitton done today

30.00% in one go, but it's mostly because i got great items right away

and apparently i'm in sphere 16

[tender pelican]

Depends on where level 8 is this time. I randomized the dungeon entrances.

[cold valve]

ah ok

well in that case you will onyl need the items required to get inside and to kill the fire bat thing; that chest you can just walk to

[midnight depot]

Good morning. Let's play videogames

On second thought the game still doesn't like my controller so maybe later

[midnight depot]

Let's play OoT

Hmm, still in BK mode

But what if I clipped through the door of time?

[midnight depot]

Done

The trickiest part is keeping in mind how lunge storage works

FlitterOoT sent Fire Book to LlisandurMQ (ToT Light Arrows Cutscene)

Dampe time is 57 seconds

FlitterOoT sent Candle to LlisandurLoZ (Kak Bazaar Item 5)
FlitterOoT found their Progressive Scale (Kak Bazaar Item 8)
FlitterOoT sent Lens of Truth to kroot (Kak 30 Gold Skulltula Reward)

FlitterOoT sent Hookshot to LlisandurLADX (Kak Potion Shop Item 5)
FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Eagle's Tower) to DrRomLADX (Kak Potion Shop Item 6)
FlitterOoT sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Kak Adult Red Rupee Crate)

FlitterOoT sent Golden Feather to Flitterbird (Kak Potion Shop Item 7)
FlitterOoT sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Kak Potion Shop Item 8)

FlitterOoT sent Giant's Axe to LlisandurMQ (Gerudo Training Ground Before Heavy Block Chest)
FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Angler's Tunnel) to DrRomLADX (Gerudo Training Ground Heavy Block Fourth Chest)

My favorite trick

(It had another emblem)

FlitterOoT sent Emblem to YaymyRose (GC Deku Scrub Grotto Left)
FlitterOoT sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (GC Grotto Beehive)

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Megaton Hammer is at Earth Cave Rod Locked Floor (B4) - Armory 3 in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found)

Fire temple is forest temple

[midnight depot]

Forest temple is ice cavern

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Zeldas Lullaby is at Nightmare Key/After Grim Creeper Chest (Eagle's Tower) in DrRomLADX's World. (not found)

Need song of time for this

FlitterOoT's Song of Time is at Ganons Castle Fire Trial Recovery Heart in FlitterOoT's World at Kakariko Village -> Bottom of the Well. (not found)

And I need song of storms to find song of time

FlitterOoT sent Rooster to LlisandurLADX (Sheik in Ice Cavern)

And back to BK mode

Surprisingly all the items I found were in sphere 10 and 11

Indicating I should have access to Adult Link early

Which means I should have access to song of storms early. I wonder where it is. I don't have enough hints to find out

[weary lagoon]

in the storm bro

[tender pelican]

Nice, you can connect Magpie to Archipelago manually, so I can play on one computer and track on another.

It doesn't track which screen you're on doing that, but it does keep track of items and logic.

[tender pelican]

Nice, the one-chance five chest room was 100 rupees.

[midnight depot]

Log file update:

[tender pelican]

Level 8 location is tail cave. XD

[tender pelican]

@cold valve LlisandurLADX sent Feather to DrRomLADX (Left Vire Key (Turtle Rock))

[cold valve]

Same for me! Now i am good on rupees for the rest of the game

[cold valve]

[midnight depot]

Thanks for song

LlisandurLADX sent Requiem of Spirit to FlitterOoT (Darknut, Zol, Bubble Leaf (Kanalet Castle))

[tender pelican]

Pretty much bk for LADX. I don't feel like tracking back to level 8 again for the two checks, and looking up how to beat the mini boss.

[cold valve]

How to beat the level 8 miniboss: don't get punched

[tender pelican]

Doesnt' help I only have 5 hearts and he takes a full heart every time I run into him.

[cold valve]

A few sword twirls will do it, just stay above or below him, and transition to the other side when he stops to punch. The shield helps a ton

[tender pelican]

I'll try that next time. I need flippers for more stuff.

[cold valve]

It's the uppercut you really gotta watch out for

You get yeeted back to the dungeon entrance

[tender pelican]

Yup, that's what happened when I hap 1 heart left and I decided it wasn't worth for one check.

Welp, got all the axe checks I can in FFMQ. Still waiting on any sword, but now I have maxed axe, claw, and bombs. XD

I wish retroarch worked for NES games with Archipelago.

[midnight depot]

Good morning

Let's play OoT

Thanks for wallet, requiem of spirit

FlitterOoT sent Bow to DrRomLADX (Sheik at Colossus)

Welcome to crate capital of the world

Without any method to stun the gerudo I won't be able to break all the crates

[fierce vale]

... theres ways to do that other than the hookshot you have on?

[midnight depot]

Yeah the hookshot stops them for like a second

The bow knocks them down for a long time

[fierce vale]

ah

[midnight depot]

Oh wait

Apparently you can hit them with the sword after a hookshot stun and that will knock them out like the bow

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Progressive Power Bracelet to DrRomLADX (Kak 40 Gold Skulltula Reward)

Medigoron sold me a 200 rupee stick

FlitterOoT found their Deku Stick (1) (GC Medigoron)

This is even worse than the giant's knife

I'm in BK mode, but I need one more check for my next hint

Time to learn a new trick, probably

[midnight depot]

Mission failed

https://youtu.be/OSTCb4l4s44

I followed this guide up until the end but the river did not fail to load

[midnight depot]

Clip into shadow temple also failed

Maybe I'll just wait for more items

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Donut Plains Ledge Dig (Donut Plains))

DrRomLADX sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Darknut, Zol, Bubble Leaf (Kanalet Castle))

DrRomLADX sent Knight Sword to LlisandurMQ (Graveyard Connector (Koholint Prairie)) @tender pelican

[tender pelican]

Yay, I can do something now. XD

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Ocarina to kroot (Write Cave East (Goponga Swamp)) @wet field

[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Boomerang is at Kak GS Near Gate Guard in kroot's World. (not found) @wet field

[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Magic Rod is at Marsh Cave Bottom (B2) - Tetris-Z Incentive in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found) @tender pelican

getting this will unlock all the other hints i have [Hint]: DrRomLADX's Hookshot is at Mac's Ship B2 - Southeast Room Box in LlisandurMQ's World. (not found)

[tender pelican]

I'll have to see what I can find with these unlocks. I'm stuck in FF1 until someone finds the ship. And I don't even have enough checks to hint it.

[midnight depot]

Good morning. Let's play A Short Hike

Archipelago has a new feature that tells you if someone is not playing

Flitterbird (Team #1) viewing A Short Hike has joined. Client(0.5.0), ['TextOnly', 'AP'].

Thanks for feathers, running shoes, money

I have remapped my controller to emulate the keyboard. This should put an end to the game not recognizing it

Flitterbird sent Megaton Hammer to kroot (Boat Rental)

Flitterbird sent Toadstool to LlisandurLADX (Old Building East Chest)

Flitterbird sent Prelude of Light to FlitterOoT (Good Creek Path Buried Chest)

Flitterbird sent Dog Food to DrRomLADX (Artist Golden Feather)

A Short Hike is in BK mode, so let's do some hints:
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Motorboat Key is at Dry Lagoon - 5 in YaymyRose's World at Gate 4. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Bucket is at Fire Temple Map Chest in kroot's World at Ganons Castle Grounds -> Ganons Castle Lobby. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Toy Shovel is at Song from Royal Familys Tomb in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Camping Permit is at Ganons Castle Water Trial Left Chest in kroot's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Stick is at Sky Fortress Spider (2F) - Incentive in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Shell Necklace is at Volcano - Right Path Box in LlisandurMQ's World. (not found)

Each of these would unlock one or more checks

[Hint]: Flitterbird's Silver Feather is at Switch Wrapped Chest (Eagle's Tower) in DrRomLADX's World. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Golden Feather is at Level 5 Rupee Drop (Zols) in LlisandurLoZ's World. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Golden Feather is at Lava Dome - Three Jumps Room Box in LlisandurMQ's World. (not found)
These would be nice to have

Let's play OoT

Thanks for wallet, bow, thieves hideout key, stick capacity, prelude of light

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Song of Storms is at Ice Cave Bottom (B3) - Six-Pack 3 in LlisandurFF1's World. (not found) @tender pelican if you're able, this would help me a lot

FlitterOoT sent Cube to LlisandurFF1 (Forest Temple GS Raised Island Courtyard)

[midnight depot]

Back in BK mode

[midnight depot]

#1064439510806564925 message

@weary lagoon A Majora's Mask AP using the recompiled version is in development with an early playable version

[weary lagoon]

Great news. Looks like only one dungeon works for now

still would rather they get MMOOT in for the settings

[midnight depot]

Agreed

[tender pelican]

@midnight depot @cold valve Got Song of Storms and Magic Rod.

[midnight depot]

Thank you so much!

[tender pelican]

Ugh, that was dumb. My ship, which I needed to do pretty much anything, was in the monster chest in temple of fiends that had really hard air elementals. So I technically could have gotten it earlier, but only after grinding levels. :/

[midnight depot]

Ah, unfortunate

I wonder if you can manipulate encounters in the randomizer like the base game

[weary lagoon]

lol

Imagine just starting the game, doing the very first check and completing the game

[sage dawn]

New category just dropped: crawl under the house and die

[midnight depot]

https://www.speedrun.com/ootextras?h=Memes-go-home-and-die&x=zd3w0gyk-38dj3648.jqzxokm1

Go home and die is already a category

[weary lagoon]

Thats the joke! Probably

[midnight depot]

Surprisingly tricky given that you can't hurt yourself in Link's House

Route goes like this:
Buy a stick, clip to Zora's river, go to Hyrule field taking damage on the way when convenient, go to Kakariko village, Navi dive to Bottom of the Well, clip to the bombchu chest, die to respawn at the entrance, exit, die again and choose to quit to main menu, load save

This places you back at Link's House with bombchus. At that point you hurt yourself until you're near dead then time a bombchu so you backflip into the house at the same time you take damage. This kills you after you enter

Takes five minutes for the world record

[midnight depot]

Hi

Let's play OoT

Thanks for Saria's Song, boomerang, bolero of fire, iron boots, blue fire arrows, tycoon's wallet, forest temple key ring, din's fire, longshot, ruto's letter, sun's song, light arrows, song of storms, biggoron sword, ganon's castle key ring, megaton hammer

Wow, I went from no items to every item

The only things I'm missing are magic, mirror shield, hover boots

Ganon's castle is shadow temple

[midnight depot]

My arch enemy

I need to clip through this door to go back to being child link to get the song of time

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Hover Boots is at Kaidge Temple - Box in LlisandurMQ's World. (not found) This would make it easier to do the clip

[midnight depot]

Ah nevermind

I did this skip https://youtu.be/ZuwrEE72Bu8

To get to Bottom of the Well without first opening it as Child Link

I did it!

I can finally play the game

I can't believe this seed

[tender pelican]

Yay. XD

My seeds have been kind of weird too.

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT found their Lens of Truth (ZR Frogs Song of Time)

[tender pelican]

Hm, that's 5 ribbons for FF1. I don't think I need that many. XD

[midnight depot]

Barinade is dead

[tender pelican]

Nice, that heart container gives me just enough to do the magic sword check.

I have no more checks in LoZ until someone finds my 4 triforce pieces.

[midnight depot]

lmao eat shit stupid pillar

[tender pelican]

Only level 9 left.

[midnight depot]

I despawned it by entering and exiting the spirit trial door forty times

[tender pelican]

Nice.

[midnight depot]

You should hint for them

[tender pelican]

Probably. XD

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Stone of Agony to kroot (Spirit Temple Before Child Climb Small Wooden Crate 1)

Suffer

FlitterOoT found their Magic Meter (Spirit Temple GS Sun on Floor Room)
FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Ganons Castle) to kroot (Spirit Temple Child Climb East Chest)

[tender pelican]

@midnight depot [Hint]: LlisandurMQ's Gemini Crest is at Sheik in Kakariko in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)
I need this to progress.

[midnight depot]

Got it

I need to finish more dungeons to get that cutscene

I can get that one

[tender pelican]

[Hint]: LlisandurFF1's Rod is at Dodongos Cavern End of Bridge Chest in FlitterOoT's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)
Also need this for more checks, but only need shards to progress.

[midnight depot]

[Hint]: LlisandurFF1's Rod is at Dodongos Cavern End of Bridge Chest in FlitterOoT's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)

Maybe?

I have no idea what ZF Ice Ledge means

[tender pelican]

Lol.

[midnight depot]

Oh it's the ice in Adult Link's Zora Fountain

I'll get that tomorrow

Let's stop here. Plenty of stuff to get later

[2024-08-05 18:22:31,249]: Notice (all): LlisandurMQ: !hint multi-key

I just sent you that twenty seconds before you used the hint

[tender pelican]

XD

I need mobius crest, not gemini crest. I mean, any of the crests would be useful, but progressions is locked behind this one.
[Hint]: LlisandurMQ's Mobius Crest is at LH Lab Dive in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)

[midnight depot]

Lab dive requires a scale

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Progressive Scale is at Black Market - 27 in YaymyRose's World at 20 Chao Coin. (not found)

[cold valve]

did the port change?

[tender pelican]

Still says the same on the game page.

It was having problems connecting earlier today too.

[cold valve]

oh

i was still connected to the work VPN, let me switch that off and check

[tender pelican]

Yeah, that might affect it. XD

[cold valve]

there we go

i guess that means i can watch videos on your server at work lol

holy shit that was a bunch of stuff!

ok let's get cracking

DrRomLADX sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Four Zol Chest (Tail Cave))

DrRomLADX sent Bow to FlitterOoT (Pit Button Chest (Tail Cave))

DrRomLADX sent Shard to LlisandurFF1 (Mini-Moldorm Spawn Chest (Tail Cave))

DrRomLADX sent Sky Fragment to LlisandurMQ (Swampy Chest (Goponga Swamp))

DrRomLADX sent Ocarina to FlitterOoT (Boo Buddies Room Chest (Bottle Grotto)) @midnight depot

DrRomLADX sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Second Switch Locked Chest (Bottle Grotto))

level 2 complete

1 instrument down

i need either the hookshot or the rooster to do much else now, aside from a few keys here and there

[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Rooster is at Water Temple GS Behind Gate in kroot's World at Gerudo Fortress -> Gerudo Training Ground Lobby. (not found) @wet field

[midnight depot]

Thanks

Let's play OoT

Thanks for Ocarina

Let's look at my hints

I can get the second one, maybe

[midnight depot]

Getting better at megaflips

FlitterOoT sent Progressive Strength Upgrade to kroot (Wasteland Chest)

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Light Arrows to kroot (Fire Temple Boulder Maze Side Room Chest)

FlitterOoT sent Shadow - Flame Ring to YaymyRose (Fire Temple Narrow Path Room Recovery Heart 3)

[midnight depot]

Let's stop here

[weary lagoon]

just got the 50 points in the MM town shooting gallery on the first try

feeling blessed

[cold valve]

Nice

[weary lagoon]

and I got the OoT mirror shield in the chest that has MM mirror shield thats fkkknnnn fuuunnyyyy

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play uh

OoT

[midnight depot]

No new items?

I guess I have to be the one to find items then

Since my tracker is useless I will review the places I can check and log them here:

Dodongo's Cavern - inaccessible. Need hover boots or Zelda's lullaby

Oh, Bottom of the Well is accessible!

[tender pelican]

Need mobius crest to get your hover boots.

[midnight depot]

And I need a progressive scale to get your mobius crest

FlitterOoT's Progressive Scale is at Black Market - 27 in YaymyRose's World at 20 Chao Coin. (not found)

[midnight depot]

Today I learned

If you play Sun's song in this branch of Bottom of the Well where Navi is pointing, it spawns a fairy

[tender pelican]

Nice.

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Venus Key to LlisandurMQ (Bottom of the Well Center Room Pit Fall Blue Rupee 1)
FlitterOoT sent Slime Key to LlisandurLADX (Bottom of the Well Center Room Pit Fall Blue Rupee 4)

[lament tusk]

theres one of these in every dungeon i believe

most at least

[midnight depot]

Normally they require song of storms, not Sun's song

[lament tusk]

its one or the other

[tender pelican]

Slime key will be useful. Can't get to venus key chest (and it's only a single chest. XD) without wakewater.

[midnight depot]

Bottom of the Well is done until I have Zelda's Lullaby.

Water Temple needs the gerudo pass, shadow temple is out of logic until I have hover boots, ice cavern has three checks I can get. Let's do that

But first, a break

[midnight depot]

Toilet check done

Lmao nevermind

I just did the trick where you hookshot into the crate on the floor of the lab pool to get the check without a scale

FlitterOoT sent Mobius Crest to LlisandurMQ (LH Lab Dive)

[tender pelican]

Nice.

I'm trying to figure out how to make a poptracker pack so I cna have FF1 auto tracked.

[midnight depot]

I have one more check to get

I recommend the poptracker server for resources

https://discord.gg/7bpK2Gem

Don't link discord servers here if you're not a mod or the bot will delete them

[tender pelican]

I'm in there. I'm still trying to figure out the file system. I'm taking apart the emotracker one, but I don't think a lot of it's going to be useful. Also looking at hte other trackers I have.

[midnight depot]

You will also need to be in a chatroom with other people who mod FF1, like the FF1 rando server so you can look up the memory addresses for tracking (if you want it automatic)

If you don't want it to be automatic, A Short Hike has a simple pop tracker implementation that tracks checks you've gotten on the archipelago server and doesn't know your game state

(Still kinda automatic but way easier)

[tender pelican]

That's probably what I'll start with. Archipelago tracks all of the checks I need anyway, I think.

[midnight depot]

Some games have local exclusive checks that archipelago doesn't track, but I think FF1 is simple enough and doesn't have many of those

FlitterOoT found their Gold Skulltula Token (ZD Behind King Zora Beehive)

That's the last check I can get

[tender pelican]

Hover boots sent.

[midnight depot]

Thank you

I was just about to give megaflip a try

And the gerudo membership card!

[tender pelican]

:)

Oh yay, found my flippers.

[midnight depot]

Thank you for claim check

My 80th gold skulltula

Ganon's castle boss key is my reward

This means I can already finish the game, I think

I have the bow, light arrows, song of time, the boss key, trials done

Which means I may have failed to make the seed long enough

[tender pelican]

Nice.

[midnight depot]

Either way I'm not going to finish until I have all dungeons done

[tender pelican]

Oh yeah, I don't want to do memory address tracking anyway, because I play the game on one computer (Steam Deck) and track it on my laptop. XD So that wouldn't work anyway.

[midnight depot]

FlitterOoT sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Shadow Temple Freestanding Key)

Makes sense to me

[tender pelican]

I was very happy when I figured out that magpie has an AP only tracking mode.

[midnight depot]

Ah, without Zelda's Lullaby that's it for Shadow Temple

Now that I have hoverboots I can skip the waterfall without Zelda's lullaby

FlitterOoT sent Steel Sword to LlisandurMQ (Dodongos Cavern Deku Scrub Lobby)

Evil hidden lava waterfall secret room

FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Tail Cave) to LlisandurLADX (Dodongos Cavern Lower Lizalfos Hidden Recovery Heart)

[tender pelican]

Lol.

[midnight depot]

There's literally no way you can tell it exists

FlitterOoT sent Thunder Rock to LlisandurMQ (Dodongos Cavern Deku Scrub Near Bomb Bag Left)

FlitterOoT sent Rod to LlisandurFF1 (Dodongos Cavern End of Bridge Chest)

One rod as ordered

"That sword is my finest work"

FlitterOoT found their Deku Stick (1) (DMT Biggoron)

Gerudo Training Ground is Water Temple

I will stop here

[tender pelican]

@cold valve Sent you hookshot.

[cold valve]

Swiggity

[tender pelican]

Ok, now I'm blocked until I get the captain's hat.

But I got a bunch of LADX checks to do later.

[cold valve]

I will have many much things when i get home

[midnight depot]

Note to self: Try this trick next time to avoid the guard that blocks the gold skulltula https://youtu.be/UKyKqzl2r-g

[weary lagoon]

that skulltula is always bad though

[midnight depot]

Yeah it is

In this seed I needed 80 gold skulltulas to get the Ganon's castle boss key, so even a bad check may be necessary

[cold valve]

ok i got a bunch of stuff now, lots of needed keys and plenty of extra hearts! and the hookshot of course

time to do a bunch of things

DrRomLADX sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Bomb Arrow Cave (Yarna Desert))

DrRomLADX sent Deku Stick Capacity to FlitterOoT (Access Tunnel Interior (Tal Tal Mountains))

DrRomLADX sent Surf Harp to LlisandurLADX (Pit Key (Angler's Tunnel))

@tender pelican i found your level 4 instrument in my own level 4

DrRomLADX found their Surf Harp (Surf Harp (Angler's Tunnel))

DrRomLADX sent Sky Fragment to LlisandurMQ (Hinox Key (Eagle's Tower))

DrRomLADX sent Double Defense to FlitterOoT (Three of a Kind, Pit Chest (Eagle's Tower))

DrRomLADX sent Silver Feather to Flitterbird (Switch Wrapped Chest (Eagle's Tower))

DrRomLADX sent Zeldas Lullaby to FlitterOoT (Nightmare Key/After Grim Creeper Chest (Eagle's Tower)) @midnight depot

[midnight depot]

Thanks. This unlocks a lot

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Bomb Bag to kroot (Evil Eagle Heart Container (Eagle's Tower))

level 7 done, 3 instruments down

DrRomLADX sent Emblem to YaymyRose (Access Tunnel Bombable Heart Piece (Tal Tal Mountains))

DrRomLADX sent Bombchus to kroot (Outside Mad Batter (Tal Tal Mountains))

DrRomLADX sent Tails - Mystic Melody to YaymyRose (Dream Hut East (Mabe Village))

DrRomLADX sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Mamu (Ukuku Prairie))

DrRomLADX sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Mermaid Statue (Martha's Bay))

DrRomLADX sent Triforce Fragment to LlisandurLoZ (Entrance Hookshottable Chest (Catfish's Maw))

[tender pelican]

Nice, that should be the last one.

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Magic Meter to kroot (Two Stalfos, Star Pit Chest (Catfish's Maw))

DrRomLADX sent Tree Wither to LlisandurMQ (Slime Eel Heart Container (Catfish's Maw))

level 5 done, 4 instruments down

[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Face Key is at ZR Frogs Eponas Song in kroot's World. (not found)
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Slime Key is at Shadow Temple Freestanding Key in kroot's World at KF Outside Deku Tree -> Deku Tree Lobby. (not found)
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Frog's Song of Soul is at Spirit Temple Statue Room Hand Chest in kroot's World at DMC Fire Temple Entrance -> Fire Temple Lower. (not found) @wet field i will need all 3 of these to progress

i'm glad i had exactly enough checks for that third hint

[midnight depot]

In that case I'm glad I forgot to set hint cost back to 10% from 9%

[cold valve]

i have everything i need for this except entrance into the dungeon [Hint]: Flitterbird's Progressive Fishing Rod is at Facade Heart Container (Face Shrine) in DrRomLADX's World. (not found)

[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Rooster is at Water Temple GS Behind Gate in kroot's World at Gerudo Fortress -> Gerudo Training Ground Lobby. (not found) i do not need this anymore i believe

yup i already got that one

[wet field]

alright, let's see if I can get any

[cold valve]

man, all of that and i'm still only barely above the group average in check % lol

[wet field]

the people like to game

[cold valve]

well i also know ASH inflates the % a bit

[midnight depot]

True! I kind of made bad picks because I really wanted to play videogames fast

[cold valve]

i wouldn't say they're bad picks if you're having fun

[midnight depot]

Good picks would evenly last me the whole month

Instead of lasting me uh

Two weeks at this rate

[cold valve]

the very nature of my game makes it last exactly as long as the overall game, since i basically end up 95%+ just to get to the end, assuming i'm BKing whenever i check it during the month

[midnight depot]

Yeah Link's Awakening is very short with a lot of blockers

Perfect archipelago game

[cold valve]

though now that i think about it i only have a few items left for go mode, those 3 checks i hinted for, 3 nightmare keys, and 1 small key

actually i don't even need the small key

[fresh hill]

oh wow, Ocarina of Time no longer has a world maintainer

Flitter, now's your chance

[midnight depot]

I'm not going to maintain OoT when OoTMM already has a maintainer

It's a better product in many ways (don't tell the ZSR folks I said that)

Anyway I wanna mod Crystal Project instead

[fresh hill]

yeah that's what I figured

OoT staying unmaintained is nuts but the whole OoTMM situation makes it understandable

would not want to be the core dev deciding whether to disable it

[midnight depot]

OoT has been barely maintained since I started playing it

Espeon didn't really want to implement the newer OoTr stuff

So it was basically a legacy product for quite a while

A Short Hike's maintainer is also dropping out!

[fresh hill]

oh yeah, I saw that because they were also working on Crow Country but now that's not even playable

there are a ton of things I'd want to help with but I know I don't have the bandwidth for, I haven't even touched OW in a week or two and it has known bugs

[midnight depot]

They are taking a hiatus from the Internet for two years. Makes me think they're going to the military or something

[fresh hill]

I think Chandler said it was something religious

[weary lagoon]

I dont know if I would say that ootmm has a maintainer

they seemed pretty in over their head from the way they were speaking in the channel

and is on an indefinite hiatus?

[midnight depot]

Would hate to step on their toes

[fierce vale]

but you can get the high ground over anyone by stepping on peoples toes

[midnight depot]

I'd need to step on their heads for that

[sage dawn]

Yeah toes only give you like a quarter inch

[midnight depot]

Good evening

Let's play OoT

Thanks for Zelda's lullaby, double defense, shadow temple boss key, and like six heart containers

FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Angler's Tunnel) to LlisandurLADX (Water Temple GS Falling Platform Room)

Today I learned if you nail dark link with a deku nut he just does nothing but dodge and block for the rest of the fight

Turns out there's a trick for this where you aim at a specific spot, left sidehop and then jumpslash at the right time to get to this spot with no items (you need to lower the water first)

This angle (not super exact)

[midnight depot]

Time to fight Bongo Bongo

He had a sky fragment (1 of 40)

FlitterOoT sent Toy Shovel to Flitterbird (Song from Royal Familys Tomb)

Finally!

The game normally has four of those but I set the YAML to only have one

FlitterOoT sent Libra Crest to LlisandurMQ (ZF Great Fairy Reward)

Back in BK mode

Looks like sphere 23 is now in logic

[sage dawn]

@midnight depot There's an angle setup so you don't have to eyeball it with c-up

[midnight depot]

Yeah the setup is where I got the idea to eyeball it

[sage dawn]

Oh.

[midnight depot]

It's much easier to memorize a spot than a setup

[sage dawn]

I mean it's literally just back to wall, right sidehop, neutral roll retarger, backflip, untargeted sidehop left, retarget wall while falling.

Maybe I just have an easier time remembering setups than remembering positions

[midnight depot]

What I do is back to wall diagonally, then aim and and one quarter brick right starting just below Navi's level

[sage dawn]

I would never be able to remember that lol

[midnight depot]

I align the sprite of the bricks and the sword to help

[sage dawn]

I see I see

[midnight depot]

This point my cursor is pointing at is what I look for

Next run I want to learn this trick https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/884928390421938206/1271877481313468538/EmuHawk_V5hrF4dQ8x.png?ex=66b8efb5&is=66b79e35&hm=6c16ad8e500db1fe7cd473b1fc0bd3b31bef832c625cb5b73cea255a69d3857b&

Apparently you can make a rolling jump to get into the corridor up front

I usually either do the whole branch or use hover boots

[sage dawn]

Yeah that's a good one to learn

I actually don't know it because I usually just procrastinate on water temple until I have hover boots

[midnight depot]

Do you know of an efficient path to get all checks in water temple that minimizes backtracking and travel time?

I usually just clear all branches, change water level, clear all branches, repeat without paying special attention to order, but surely there's a faster way to go about it

[sage dawn]

That's what I usually do, but I think you can do things faster if you go out of bounds for several of the checks.

If you're not planning on soft resetting, pushing the block on the longshot gate from the exit once while water is still raised is a good idea so you only need to go through it once

[midnight depot]

Oh yeah

[sage dawn]

Oh, also if you have song of time you can skip the dragon room and get it on the way out of river beneath dark link

[midnight depot]

That's what I was about to say

I did it this run and it's freaky because the block is not normally blocking my way

[sage dawn]

I think the map chest on the second floor might be faster with the water raised too

[midnight depot]

Apparently the game does properly reset it so you're not soft locked

[sage dawn]

I don't think there's any state the block can be in where it prevents you from getting out

If you push it inwards while the water is lowered it falls into a hole, and if you get to it from the inside without pushing it, you push it into the hole where the platform normally is

[midnight depot]

Yeah

[cold valve]

let's play ladx

thanks for keys!

omg my reward from the seashell mansion was another seashell, what bullshit

DrRomLADX sent Prelude of Light to kroot (Left Vire Key (Turtle Rock))

[midnight depot]

Prelude of Light

So great with overworld entrance randomizer, near useless without

Fortunately, Kratta picked:
Shuffle Overworld Entrances: Yes

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Angler Key to LlisandurLADX (West of Boss Door Ledge Chest (Turtle Rock))

DrRomLADX sent Boss Key (Spirit Temple) to kroot (Outside Heart Piece (Turtle Rock))

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Compass to Flitterbird (Water Tektite Chest (Face Shrine))

[midnight depot]

Thanks

Was it marked progression or useful?

[cold valve]

dark blue, not purple

[midnight depot]

I don't remember what that meant

Either way, compass is handy for navigation

[cold valve]

purple is progression, so blue is probably useful

DrRomLADX sent Progressive Fishing Rod to Flitterbird (Facade Heart Container (Face Shrine))

[midnight depot]

Ooh finally

[cold valve]

level 6 done, 5 instruments down

[midnight depot]

Now all shop items are in logic. Thanks

[cold valve]

@wet field
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Nightmare Key (Tail Cave) is at GC Darunias Joy in kroot's World. (not found)
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Nightmare Key (Key Cavern) is at Forest Temple GS Raised Island Courtyard in kroot's World at Graveyard Warp Pad Region -> Shadow Temple Entryway. (not found)

and 3 more checks will let me hint for the last nightmare key for turtle rock

all 3 dungeons are finished except the boss, so those are all that's left for go mode

[midnight depot]

The game only has three dungeons?

But the elite four

[cold valve]

no i have finished the other 5

[midnight depot]

Oh okay

[cold valve]

what's interesting is that this is a roosterless seed for me

i'm up to sphere 29 it seems

[midnight depot]

What if you only consider in-logic checks?

[cold valve]

what do you mean?

i haven't done anything out of logic

[midnight depot]

Oh okay

In my case I'm in sphere 23, unless you count me playing in a way the game couldn't have expected

[cold valve]

maybe i've been sent some items out of logic, but my own game is always played in logic unless i can get into level 8 before i have a level 2 shield

[midnight depot]

Let's play A Short Hike

Thanks for pickaxe, shell necklace, walkie talkie, stick, fishing rod, headband, toy shovel, compass, golden fishing rod, motorboat key, silver and gold feathers

Today I learned if you pay tuition for the bully first, he will sell you his golden feathers at 40 each instead of 100 each

Thanks for bait. I just started fishing

Llisandur: Is this important? [Hint]: LlisandurLoZ's Small Key is at Catch All Fish Reward in Flitterbird's World. (not found)?

It's kind of a hassle. Do you need it to finish the game?

Other than that, my game has two checks left and I need both to finish:
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Camping Permit is at Ganons Castle Water Trial Left Chest in kroot's World at ZF Ice Ledge -> Ice Cavern Beginning. (not found)
[Hint]: Flitterbird's Wristwatch is at Slime Eye Heart Container (Key Cavern) in DrRomLADX's World. (not found)

[tender pelican]

Not really. If it was the magic key then yes, otherwise I can actually just go buy small keys for 40 rupees. LoZ doesn't have different keys per dungeon so you just carry around a bunch of them.

[midnight depot]

Excellent, thanks

[sage dawn]

How do you hint locations again?

[fresh hill]

!hint_location I think?

[sage dawn]

Cool thanks

[midnight depot]

You can get names for specific locations in the data package page

Or just generate a seed and read the spoiler log

[cold valve]

this only requires the nightmare key from kratta

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to kroot (West Key Room Key (Key Cavern))

DrRomLADX sent Ruby to LlisandurFF1 (Witch Item (Koholint Prairie))

[tender pelican]

I went and completed all 4 games. Everything is released.

[cold valve]

@wet field all my remaining items are in your world
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Nightmare Key (Tail Cave) is at GC Darunias Joy in kroot's World. (not found)
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Nightmare Key (Turtle Rock) is at Hideout 3 Torches Jail Gerudo Key in kroot's World. (not found)
[Hint]: DrRomLADX's Nightmare Key (Key Cavern) is at Forest Temple GS Raised Island Courtyard in kroot's World at Graveyard Warp Pad Region -> Shadow Temple Entryway. (not found)

[tender pelican]

I was right at the end for a few days now. XD

[cold valve]

and one more tail cave small key would be nice to get that check off my tracker, but it doesn't block the goal

actually, that and the necklace and the 3 nightmare keys are all that's left to unlock checks

other outstanding items that won't affect anything at all are extra heart pieces, rupees, bombs, powder, heart containers, small keys for key cavern and turtle rock, progressive sword, manbo's song, rooster, and bowwow

[midnight depot]

Well done

[sage dawn]

I'm getting pretty close to done, but because the last canon core mission is mission 3 I need Eggman's Mystic Melody

Other than that I guess I grind for rings to buy shit from shops, and clean up the one gold beetle and one chao box I can't find

[midnight depot]

We're finishing this up pretty fast!

[sage dawn]

Yeah it's kinda surprising

[cold valve]

I had a really good seed this time

[midnight depot]

Hmm

I somehow managed to get the same achievement twice

That's archipelago for you

[wet field]

very impressive

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play OoT

Thanks for gold scale, farore's wind, fire temple boss key, epona's song, mirror shield, golden gauntlets

Now the only item I'm missing is the fourth bottle

Oh and the song that takes you to lake hylia

Let's do the five froggish tenors song: A◄ ► ▼ ◄ ► ▼ A ▼ A ▼ ► ◄ A

My magic was locked in a room that required magic

AGAIN

The spinning pots have nine items

Why is this game shit

Progression emblems and normal emblems marked exactly the same thing?

Phantom ganon is dead again

[cold valve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjLnbr0OVg

[midnight depot]

Yep

You should reduce the amount you ping me in channels which I regularly read. Sorry

[cold valve]

sure

[midnight depot]

Volvagia is dead

[midnight depot]

After a break I am back to fight Twinrova

The last boss remaining before Ganondorf

One cycle!

Thanks for biggoron sword. Makes the fight way faster

[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Small Key Ring (Gerudo Training Ground) is at Sheik in Kakariko in kroot's World. (not found) locks 5 checks

Fuck

Who makes stuff like this?

It's a hidden recovery heart.

And the last check in the game aside from the five that need Kratta's keys

I will finish the game once I hit 100%

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play A Short Hike

No new checks available

[lament tusk]

A very short hike then

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's play OoT

I don't get this one

Oh it's part of the check name

Banger game 10/10

[midnight depot]

Playing OoTMM while I wait

Interior entrances are shuffled and decoupled. This is giving me a headache

[weary lagoon]

How is the game going everyone?

[wet field]

I beat oot last night, so now I think it's just yay left?

[weary lagoon]

nicely done

[cold valve]

Oh

I was kinda hoping to be notified when my items were got so i could play again

I'll be finishing when i get home from work then

[wet field]

My bad, I thought you were already done since your check % was so high

[lament tusk]

short game then?

[cold valve]

let's play LADX

DrRomLADX sent Chao Coin to YaymyRose (Feather Chest (Tail Cave))

DrRomLADX sent Wristwatch to Flitterbird (Slime Eye Heart Container (Key Cavern))

@wet field i still need these two things

i'm apparently BK'd again

[midnight depot]

Congrats!

It looks like you also got me these things that I need to finish my game

[midnight depot]

It was shorter than I expected!

Looks like this is a bucketless seed for me

And done

Flitterbird (Team #1) has completed their goal.

[tender pelican]

I've just about finished playing Tunic regularly, so I'll probably put it in the randomizer next time.

[midnight depot]

That's good!

You may want to use "normally" instead of "regularly"

Sometimes, "regularly" means that you play it with regularity, like every month

[tender pelican]

That's what I meant. XD I was think of it being the regular version.

[cold valve]

let's see if there's any new checks

level 8 done, 7 instruments down.

still waiting on the nightmare key for tail cave, literally the last thing

[midnight depot]

Nice

What does @sage dawn need to finish the game?

[sage dawn]

I'm away from my apartment and can't check the tracker to see if I've already gotten it, but Eggman Mystic Melody

[midnight depot]

Not present

Here's the log

Hmmmm

[sage dawn]

I have used none of my hints if you want to log in as me

[midnight depot]

Okay!

I was about to mention it but didn't want to make you feel that you should use a hint

[Hint]: YaymyRose's Eggman - Mystic Melody is at Market Lost Dog in kroot's World. (not found)

Wow that's early.

[sage dawn]

Wow not saving Richard

[weary lagoon]

Riiiichaaaarrrd!!!

[midnight depot]

The randomizer needs to put Richard in random spots and have you escort him all the way to his mom

So he can be in Gerudo Valley or Sacred Forest Meadow but not anywhere he can't walk home like shadow temple or Gerudo fortress

[lament tusk]

no richard needs to be a random dog each time
im not even sure how you would even get richard back to castle town with your suggestion

[midnight depot]

He would follow you as normal

The randomizer already has a feature where he can follow you anywhere

[lament tusk]

ah

[wet field]

It was never nighttime when I happened to be in the market as young link, and the ER made it a pain to switch w/o sun's song.

Unrelated, @midnight depot I might've broken my darunias joy check. I'm supposed to get that check when I play sarias song to darunia, right?

I might've done it when my archipelago client wasn't connected to the game and messed it up

[wet field]

Huh, actually playing that tune again gave me the item. @cold valve you can beat LADX now

[cold valve]

yipeee!

[wet field]

Richard has been saved

[cold valve]

DrRomLADX (Team #1) has completed their goal.

[tender pelican]

Yay.

[cold valve]

this was a rooster-less seed

[sage dawn]

Just got home and will wrap up my seed. Am I the last one?

[cold valve]

i believe so

[sage dawn]

Ayyy, just finished then

[fresh hill]

I should probably start setting up some of these randomizers on my newer laptop...

[midnight depot]

That's everyone! Well done

Thanks for joining me in the Manechat Archipelago for August 2024. This game had 31 spheres and 2367 locations. The playthrough file lists from last to first: @tender pelican MQ, @cold valve LADX, Llisandur FF1, @midnight depot OoT, Llisandur LADX @wet field OoT, @sage dawn SA2B, Llisandur LoZ, Flitter ASH.
Here's the spoiler log, the game log and the output file.
The game link was here: https://archipelago.gg/room/yBoM_7ySQces0Q7AJF-eJw

I think I will start another game around august 26th-29th, or earlier if there's interest

[cold valve]

sounds good, i don't want to start earlier than that

[midnight depot]

Retroarch OoT implementation is nearing a finished state. #884928390421938206 message

Relevant for the Steam Deck

[weary lagoon]

nicely done everygamer

[midnight depot]

Thanks

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's figure out how Risk of Rain's archipelago works

What the fuck the game has like two hundred mods instead of just two

Oh also, the YAMLS everyone used

[midnight depot]

Lmao

  total_locations:
    # Number of location checks which are added to the Risk of Rain playthrough.
    # On stage or map grouping, will determine how many locations checks are added per stage/map.
    #
    # You can define additional values between the minimum and maximum values.
    # Minimum value is 10
    # Maximum value is 200
    198: 50
    random: 0
    random-low: 0
    random-high: 0```

This breaks if I set it to 199 or higher

Apparently there are ten stages and it adds 200 items PER STAGE

So Risk of Rain can have 1800ish items

[midnight depot]

The game generates fine but crashes when connecting

The developer is trying to figure it out, but says that it normally works fine after connecting once

[fierce vale]

baby numbers, im adding 3 fully randomised hollow knight instances in 1 game

everyones important items will be mine

[sage dawn]

That's it I'm gonna do 4 full sanity OoT games >:C

Actually wait does the archepelago branch even have grassanity?

I know it's pretty out of date.

[fresh hill]

I would not be surprised if that's one of the features Espeon had no interest in implementing before fully retiring

[wet field]

Don't think so

[fresh hill]

so I was reinstalling the Hollow Knight randomizer, and I looked at the dependency mods, and noticed the "QoL" one has

why did no one tell me

[midnight depot]

Because selling them is often counterproductive (I use a mod that makes you a tiny bit stronger with each)

[fresh hill]

fair

[fresh hill]

got Rusted Moss working

[tender pelican]

I should look into setting up the Tunic randomizer before the next round.

[sage dawn]

Oh shit I love Rusted Moss

[fierce vale]

i should finish rusted moss

[fresh hill]

Rusted Moss is perhaps the best game of all time that I also have such a massive skill issue at I can’t even 100% it

good thing we have exclude_locations

[midnight depot]

Spelunky 2 has an apworld

I cannot get a single win in that game

Given that Digimon World 1's APworld is too early, and Risk of Rain 1's is not working, what do I want to play for next month?

CrossCode, probably.

Spelunky 2? Maybe if the settings make the game so easy that I cannot lose.

[midnight depot]

Oh I should announce next game to give people time

Hello, @here! I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until the end of September. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run (or browse https://multiworld.news/apworlds.html for unsupported games!), then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems.
The game will start August 26th or whenever everyone interested is ready.

In order to join, I will need the YAML files for whatever games you want to play. Talk to me if you have any questions or concerns.

[cold valve]

You can use my previous yaml or i can upload it when i get back from the con

[midnight depot]

Sure!

[weary lagoon]

theres a new wow expansion coming out tomorrow so ill pass on this one

[lament tusk]

wow i cant believe youd do this to us

[cold valve]

I can. Have you met WoW people?

[lament tusk]

i was just making a joke abuot the word wow

you're obviously allowed to not join in lol

[fresh hill]

I think everyone besides Flitter has skipped at least one?

I want to play this solo RM world for a few more days to make sure there’s no critical skill issues, but otherwise I think I’m ready

[midnight depot]

If you count the OotMM multiworld, everyone including Flitter

[fierce vale]

i blame adhd causing my work capacity to be like 30% of most peoples at the best of times

[fresh hill]

I accidentally replayed half of RM in one afternoon so now I'm pretty convinced that's fine

[sage dawn]

I've 100%ed the game before the last patch that added a bunch of challenge areas uwu

[fresh hill]

the flag on top of Living Quarters after that extremely long horizontal gap is the main one I can't seem to do even after watching videos of others doing it

[sage dawn]

I did that one super early with grenade resets and thought that was the intended way until way later in the game lol

[fresh hill]

"grenade resets"?

[sage dawn]

If you take damage you can grapple again

[midnight depot]

Having finished Axiom Verge 2 it's a real shame it doesn't come with a randomizer

[sage dawn]

Throwing a grenade at yourself counts

[midnight depot]

It seems better for archipelago than 1

[fresh hill]

ok, I'll have to try that, it's not the method I saw others doing

[sage dawn]

It's not too bad once you get the rhythm for it, but I think it might be harder than the other way.

If you've got dandelion grenades it'd be easier

Because they blow up on contact

With the ceiling

[fresh hill]

gtk

I basically stopped using grenades after the grenade tutorial so I don't even remember the dandelion trinket

[sage dawn]

Dude grenades are so good

They do so much damage

[fresh hill]

when games give me a single mana bar for both healing and attacking, I need 100% of it for healing lol

[sage dawn]

Lol fair

[fresh hill]

I still have to force myself to use spells in HK to make it more interesting

[sage dawn]

I just go the route of kill it before it kills me in this sort of game lol

I tend to get stuck on harder bosses as a result

[fresh hill]

that's probably fair for Rusted Moss, there's a few bosses where I'm not convinced you can reliably dodge every possible combination of bullet patterns, but certainly more than enough to outheal the damage

but for stuff like HK or Blasphemous or Nine Sols, the boss kills me in so few hits compared to how many hits I need to land that there simply is no concept of "kill it faster" until I've practiced avoiding/blocking everything

and at least on a first playthrough, by the time I have dodging consistent, I've usually beaten it with the basic attacks

[sage dawn]

That's fair yeah

There are definitely some rough patterns in Rusted Moss yeah

I think not getting hit in that game a lot of the time comes down to figuring out how to manipulate the boss into not cornering you

[fresh hill]

what worked the best for me was smoother jump/grapple/etc movement whenever I was running away from them, e.g. any time spent grabbing a ledge was an error I should be trying to avoid, unlike in regular platforming

things like just running to one side and grappling shortly before I fall off a ledge, without any jumps or delays for setup or other fancy moves, only angling it so I'll naturally land on top of the next platform

because that gets me away from the boss ASAP and lets me keep shooting as I'm running away

the final boss especially is almost entirely about that in the middle phase

Lenore and Spirella were the hard ones for me because they're the most unpredictable and have the toughest arenas to move around smoothly, lots of places where the only way to move fast enough is to do quick charge jumps

[midnight depot]

Hi

We have me with three games, Crosscode, Hollow Knight and Ocarina of Time. Dr. Romulus with the usual, Ixrec with Tunic, Outer Wilds, Rusted Moss and Hollow Knight.

Who else is playing? Llisandur said they might try Tunic

[tender pelican]

I'll be doing Tunic, FF1, FFMQ, and LADX.

[midnight depot]

Got it

[fierce vale]

i am considering a hollow knight addition but i'll have to decide on sunday

[tender pelican]

If someone figured out how to add Metroid Dread to Archipelago I'd do that too, but alas. :P

[fresh hill]

maybe after the Swiitch fully replaces the Switch

[tender pelican]

Lol.

[wet field]

I'll do oot

[midnight depot]

Hell yes

[sage dawn]

I want in but I haven't decided yet.

[midnight depot]

What are you thinking of playing?

[sage dawn]

I mean there's always OoT

Oh shit I should play Bomb Rush Cyberfunk so I can do the rando for it next time

[lament tusk]

same

[sage dawn]

I think I'll probably do Link to the Past actually

[lament tusk]

civ 6 is a rando option?

[midnight depot]

Yeah

Link to the Past is a good Archipelago but fucking sucks on inverted

[lament tusk]

@weary lagoon how painful was the paper mario rando? setup and playing it?

[fierce vale]

heck yeah bomb rush cyber funk

[weary lagoon]

Hm I think it was fine to set up and fun to play

[lament tusk]

ok

thanks

i might do that this time, tho i dont wanna set it up tday

ill test it on sunday before D&D

[midnight depot]

Hi

Crosscode released a big update

Shop Shuffle, Progressive Equipment, better performance

So I'm going to do a test generation and run it for a bit to make sure it works

[midnight depot]

Time to pick settings for Hollow Knight. In order to make things cleaner for everyone else I will make my ubiquitous trash local

[fresh hill]

oh yeah, you can even copy my local_items for the geo rocks

[midnight depot]

No

There's a location group, silly

[fresh hill]

oh they finally added one

back when I got that list from the AP discord there was no shorter option

[midnight depot]

    BossGeo: 1
    GeoChests: 1
    GeoRocks: 1
    GrimmkinFlames: 1
  non_local_items:
    CDash: 1
    CharmNotches: 1
    Charms: 1
    Claw: 1
    Cloak: 1
    Dive: 1
    Dreamers: 1
    Fireball: 1
    Horizontal: 1
    Nail: 1
    Scream: 1
    Skills: 1
    Vertical: 1

[fresh hill]

why is every option using the weighted syntax with only one value

[midnight depot]

That's how the site makes it

[fresh hill]

huh, weird

[midnight depot]

Either way, I really like making important items nonlocal and junk local because archipelago is all about players finding Important items for each other, and finding junk for other players somehow feels worse than finding your junk

[fresh hill]

yeah, at least when it's your 10 monies item you're making a step towards buying something

personally I haven't had the "I'm finding too much of my own progression" experience so I haven't thought of non_localing stuff, but it makes sense

[midnight depot]

That one's not for me

It's for other people

It prevents me from playing too much and finishing the game while everyone else has no time to play

By making me reliant on their progress

[fresh hill]

ok that's a much more compelling argument, maybe I'll do that next time

[midnight depot]

FF4 Free Enterprise has an early version of the archipelago integration #1170144930610557008 message

[tender pelican]

:D

I'll wait until it's more mature, but good news.

[sage dawn]

Inverted?

[midnight depot]

You start in the dark world

It's tough because it makes it a lot harder to get to the light world which has a bunch of your checks

[sage dawn]

Ooh makes sense

[midnight depot]

Hi. Let's generate a test game and test connections

I'm still waiting on YAML files from @lament tusk, @tender pelican, @sage dawn and anyone else who wants to play. We start tomorrow, so please ask for an extension if you can't be ready by then

[lament tusk]

Right sorry, I was busy and/or lazy
I think I'm gonna try getting paper mario working today tho

[midnight depot]

Hmm, game fails to generate

[root at 2024-08-25 11:44:42,590]: Uncaught exception
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "__startup__.py", line 138, in run
  File "console.py", line 17, in run
  File "Generate.py", line 551, in <module>
  File "Main.py", line 268, in main
  File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 181, in call_all
  File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 171, in call_single
  File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 164, in call_single
  File "worlds\AutoWorld.py", line 150, in _timed_call
  File "worlds\ladx\__init__.py", line 362, in pre_fill
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 354, in get_all_state
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 691, in sweep_for_events
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 691, in <setcomp>
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 1057, in can_reach
  File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\crosscode.apworld\crosscode\logic.py", line 19, in conditions_satisfied_internal
    return all(c.satisfied(state, player, location, cond_args) for c in conditions)
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\crosscode.apworld\crosscode\logic.py", line 19, in <genexpr>
    return all(c.satisfied(state, player, location, cond_args) for c in conditions)
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\custom_worlds\crosscode.apworld\crosscode\types\condition.py", line 70, in satisfied
    return mode != self.target_mode or state.can_reach_region(self.region_name, player)
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 681, in can_reach_region
  File "BaseClasses.py", line 333, in get_region
KeyError: 'open4.1'
Exception in <bound method LinksAwakeningWorld.pre_fill of <worlds.ladx.LinksAwakeningWorld object at 0x00000257FFB6A350>> for player 1, named DrRomLADX.

[fierce vale]

i shall once again play with this

[midnight depot]

Hell yeah

Hollow Knight Renaissance

[fierce vale]

maybe i'll have finished rusted moss by the next one

[midnight depot]

Funny how Rusted Moss is slower than OoT

No it's just crosscode that's breaking

[cold valve]

I will not be ready until Tuesday at the earliest

[midnight depot]

Understood.

You said you wanted me to use your old YAML. Would you like to delay the game until Tuesday and use a different YAML?

[cold valve]

Yes please

[midnight depot]

All right!

[lament tusk]

I don't mind waiting

[cold valve]

I am still on the other side of the country or I would do it sooner

[midnight depot]

Oh here's Artiks's paper mario YAML in case it helps

Looks like HK and Crosscode send and receive items fine.

[lament tusk]

thanks, ill take a look at it. probably wont use the exact same settings tho

ok i might just use these exact settings

tho palet swapping would be fun

[midnight depot]

The YAML and APworld might have updated in such a way that the YAML is invalid

[lament tusk]

ah right

thanks

[midnight depot]

It's your job to make sure that YAMLs you submit are valid and work, but I can help you set it up so you can test it

[lament tusk]

i was gonna test it before submitting

oh neat i can chage the goal, looks like arti couldn't do that
i think im gonna make it that i need to beat bowser and the star beam (needed to defeat him) is shuffled, that feels like shuffling the light arrows in oot

[midnight depot]

I wonder if you can RBA light arrows

[lament tusk]

ValueError: Hashes do not match for RomFile
does this mean i have the wrong version of the rom?

[midnight depot]

Yes

[lament tusk]

thanks, ill find another

oh, it just generated fine

neat