I had to refresh the page last night so it hasn't been continuous
#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
dawn wigeon
fresh hill
I wonder how game-breaking that is in ER
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Iron Boots to Arti (Mountain Path - East Corridor 3)
The way reconnecting in archipelago works is neat
When a game's page is down, the client tries to reconnect after a few seconds and seems to keep doubling every time
clear summit
This month we are quite fast-paced
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Letter to Goompapa 2 to Paper Arti (Mountain Path - Crystal Room 1)
FlitterMS sent Fishing Hook to DrRomLADX (Mountain Path - Crystal Room 3)
Sphere one is always pretty fast
dawn wigeon
BTW never heard of Monster Sanctuary before, but it looks neat and is 75% off so I went ahead and picked it up
lament tusk
This month we are quite fast-paced
We're all active
Tho a few of us are properly bked atm
tender pelican
There goes another ice trap. :P
clear summit
I'm not going to finish ASH sphere 1 for now unless it is necessary for someone
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Parakarry to Paper Arti (Mountain Path - Northwest Cliffs 1)
lament tusk
I'm not going to finish ASH sphere 1 for now unless it is necessary for someone
How do you know if its necessary or not?
midnight depot
They hint it
clear summit
How do you know if its necessary or not?
What I meant is someone hints an important item and it end up being in my ASH sphere 1
ASH has a huge sphere 1 while the checks are relatively simple to grab, so I can exhaust checks very quickly
midnight depot
https://i.imgur.com/YgN9MeD.png endgame enemy casually running around at level 5
FlitterMS sent Ruins Key to Paper Arti (Mountain Path - Snowy Peaks Entrance)
lament tusk
i personally very rarely hint, under the assumption that other people are playing their games, so hearing you say that you arent kinda sucks, ngl
clear summit
You have to understand that the games I tend to play are not great fits for Archipelago
ASH can go like 70% finished after day 1/2
So it's more like an intentional slowing down
Terraria was a similar case
RoR2 was an extreme case
clear summit
Those games are more like "I go BK or I have 40% of the checks already unlocked"
clear summit
dont know why you'd randomise a game like that then tbh
Well my game library isn't a great fit for Archi, but I like participating these kind of events
lament tusk
apologies if it sounds like im mad at you, more confused
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Lens of Truth to Meganoot (Blue Cave - North Fork)
weary lagoon
theres like six games on 0% right? Jay waiting a bit makes sense
fresh hill
I do assume that other people "play their games", but that's different from "fully BK all their slots"; imo hints are important to keep the multiworld moving in any environment where "I shall BK all my slots at least once every N days" is not the attitude of every player involved
lament tusk
though i suppose subnautica is similar, a lot of checks you can technically get very early with a lot more checks behind getting the cyclops, which requires 12 checks minimum
then launching is a farther 4
fresh hill
ASH's enormous sphere 1 is a perfect example; afaik none of us who played it here tried to BK it on our first sessions
clear summit
I think I did last month
And I ended up getting so much so early
In my defense it was my first playthrough ever so I had absolutely no idea what the game exactly provides
fresh hill
(and I still haven't started my 2nd game since this started on a Wednesday and modding work came up)
cold valve
LADX has a pretty huge early sphere too
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Gau to Dessy-FF6WC (Blue Cave - North Fork - East Ledge Chest)
FlitterMS sent Small Key (Thieves Hideout) to Meganoot (Blue Cave - North Fork - Ground Switch Chest)
clear summit
Also I said I am going to slow down and indeed I still have bunch of checks left but also
JayASH A Short Hike Connected 71/131 54.20
I am over 50% completed already
fresh hill
for most of my games, I play what I'm comfortable with in one session and if that's not enough to BK it then I leave it with content undone; I do like it when "what I'm comfortable with in one session" is often enough to reach BK in practice, but it won't always be the case and it should be fine for it to not be the case
clear summit
ASH is a fun game but unfortunately the randomizer couldn't just take your ability to walk and jump
lament tusk
oh yeah its day 2, im not saying "why the fuck havent you played 70% of your game today"
it just sounded like you had little to no intention of playing much ASH without hints, which is directly opposite to how i play
fresh hill
oh yeah I don't think anyone meant "I will stop ASH at 5% and never touch it until a hint is used"
clear summit
Oh I was more like "I will not going to exhaust all my checks in one sit unless someone hinted an important item in my game"
fresh hill
when I do that, it's because "5% is good enough for day two", and if no one hints for a week I'll eventually play it again when the mood strikes
clear summit
Oh I was more like "I will not going to exhaust all my checks in one sit unless ...
For example last month I was intentionally leaving 200 fishing quests check in my Terraria and was clearing a few fishing quests once in a while
Then someone found that their item is in that check so I just booted the game and finished like 100 quests
lament tusk
oh that is different
the fishing checks suck
fresh hill
ASH's fish check is pretty reasonable but still one you'd want to leave for later
I think it was my last check last month
lament tusk
*in terraria
clear summit
tbf it's just a lot of button clicking after a while if you play Journey mode
lament tusk
i generally dislike fishing in games, they all have a complicated fishing minigame which gets old very fast, and you often need to fish 10000 times
clear summit
That was why I didn't disable it in yaml setting
lament tusk
in my opinion the best fishing minigame is animal crossing's very simple system
cold valve
Randomized entrances changes things a ton for me, dungeons end up in easy to reach places, and the actual dungeon entrances end up hiding a simple cave with 1 check or something
weary lagoon
god I got so much stuff in PM
clear summit
And it was actually helpful in some way, the generated map was a trash and I couldn't find the sword shrine until the end
Since my goal was "make Zenith", I needed the enchanted sword, and the only way to get it other than the shrine is fishing
cold valve
Next time i think I'll try to randomize only dungeon entrances with each other and the simple entrances with each other
cold valve
My biggest block is the feather, but it's day 2 so I'm in no rush to find it
clear summit
Because navigating in ASH is a fucking nightmare
The only problem I have rn is that I have absolutely no idea about Celeste 64 progression
And I don't think there is a tracker for it, but correct me if I'm wrong
It only holds 30 checks so it shouldn't be a huge matter
weary lagoon
oh I should hint the biggoron sword
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Gerudo Membership Card to Meganoot (Blue Cave - Specter Room)
lament tusk
`FlitterMS sent Gerudo Membership Card to Meganoot (Blue Cave - Specter Room)`
ooo thanks
weary lagoon
@weary lagoon This is extremely important
lament tusk
cant use it yet but thanks
weary lagoon
god I need gold gauntlets for that
next 2 hints are both gonna be for progressive strength
clear summit
That was for pre-reset run
lament tusk
mb
lament tusk
we need those
clear summit
one was for Artiks and one was for Flitter
lament tusk
cold valve
midnight depot
<@68799960375623680> You probably know how important this thing is
You're going to die before I find it
Let's stop here with Monster Sanctuary
I'll be back later for aLttP
FlitterMS sent MapTT to Dessy-SMZ3 (Keeper Stronghold - Smith 5)
Why are maps progression?
fresh hill
i generally dislike fishing in games, they all have a complicated fishing miniga...
I usually very strongly agree, but ASH's is dead simple, usually <10s per fish, and there's only 10-15 fish (none of the fancy rarity modifiers matter to the fish locations in the rando)
weary lagoon
https://streamable.com/15aw81 @wet field moment
lament tusk
I usually very strongly agree, but ASH's is dead simple, usually <10s per fish, ...
ASH is fine, from memory its very simple, you're just finding the fishing locations rather than a complex game of rod and fish
midnight depot
There's one pond that has every fish
lament tusk
really?
cold valve
There is no greater loathing i have for any fishing mechanic more than that of stardew valley
lament tusk
oh that one is fucking trash
midnight depot
The one next to the bully merchant
fresh hill
I only became aware of that pond when I was over half-done and looking up what was left
need to try it this time
lament tusk
is that base game or part ofthe rando
fresh hill
base game
weary lagoon
There's one pond that has every fish
Never heard of the All Blue?
dawn wigeon
Why are maps progression?
it's not, it's a filler item
midnight depot
What a bother
dawn wigeon
Also SDV fishing is actually pretty engaging, and rewards player skill. You actually have to pay attention to the game while you fish unlike with AC where you don't even need to look at the screen (and in fact it's easier if you don't)
midnight depot
I don't like it because it is engaging
My ideal fishing minigame is a meditative "don't do anything. Don't get distracted." Game where you sit down and relax
dawn wigeon
That's basically the rest of SDV though
outside of going ot the mines, fishing is basically the most exciting thing you can do
midnight depot
Stardew Valley's timers are hell for me because I feel pushed to do as much as possible in each day
dawn wigeon
OOT has a good fishing minigame too
midnight depot
That's why I mod it so day length is configurable
weary lagoon
OoT fishing sucks ass
you just throw and pray it catches on and then you hold the stick back
midnight depot
If you know what to do you can get the fish that wins every time
lament tusk
its not bad because you only have to do it twice
weary lagoon
I dont know what to do
lament tusk
but yeah it could be waaaay better
it was one of the first 3d games tho, so it gets a bit of slack
wet field
I dont know what to do
Cast it so the hook lands right near the fish you want and then wiggle the lure a bit to entice it
midnight depot
I think OoT has enough slack. It was the top rated game of all time for decades
dawn wigeon
Which is weird because MM is so much better
dawn wigeon
🔥 🔥
midnight depot
Having played both I like OoT better than MM because of the randomizer
wet field
Which is weird because MM is so much better
Basado y copado 
midnight depot
Great Bay Temple made me very sad
weary lagoon
My last OOTMM run died because I had to reset time to get the boss key and re-do great bay
dawn wigeon
I mean Water Temple isn't that great either but yeah Great Bay Temple is a pretty low point
Ice Palace not great in LTTP
lament tusk
MM has the best world, the best sidequests and generally a lot deeper than OOT
but MM is also way harder to get into
i needed a guide every time i played, including during the rando
weary lagoon
my experience is so colored by randomizers
dawn wigeon
Those water-based dungeons are just hard to get right
weary lagoon
where in OoT you just slam through water temple with hover boots
no item makes great bay better
dawn wigeon
That's because it's the last dungeon with an item relevant outside the dungeon
weary lagoon
the only place ice arrows are needed in the world you can just do a precise hookshot past
dawn wigeon
That doesn't make them as irrelevant as the Giant's Mask
dawn wigeon
Also good for farming rupees outside of Ikana
lament tusk
if you still need to do rupee grinding
weary lagoon
the thing about vanilla MM is that you have to put 5000 rupees in the bank
the randomizers delete that
lament tusk
true
dawn wigeon
I haven't played a 3d zelda randomizer, can you tell?
lament tusk
next time we item link every major item, the bow, hookshot, etc except for the skull tokens
midnight depot
Fortunately LttP has an autotracker https://i.imgur.com/6u3yU9z.png
weary lagoon
I was very happy to see both WW and PM have that as well
In december I had to manual tracker WW
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Stasis Rifle Fragment to Submega (Link's House)
weary lagoon
theres a check in Links house?
fresh hill
Stardew Valley's timers are hell for me because I feel pushed to do as much as ...
oh then you'd love Outer Wilds rando 
weary lagoon
theres 3 of those medallions
One of them opens the desert...
another does something on the mountain..
uh and theres a third one that probably does something
midnight depot
They should put it in the nice box over here instead of making them usable https://i.imgur.com/fsTwM2p.png
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Giant's Axe to Llisandur (Red Shield Shop Center)
fresh hill
iiuc neither tracker will do entrances for me so this should be fun
weary lagoon
you got it to work in english?
fresh hill
first item, @dawn wigeon I forget exactly which beam upgrade this is, how important is it?
weary lagoon
@clear summit got compass
midnight depot
alttp uses the Japanese ROM but it replaces text with english
weary lagoon
oooh
midnight depot
Why didn't Nintendo sue Nintendo for this painting https://i.imgur.com/Rrpu8pA.png
weary lagoon
finding an ice trap in the ice cavern is funny
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Plasma to Dessy-SMZ3 (Chest Game)
weary lagoon
oh thanks for bombs, thats important
dawn wigeon
first item, <@100381061673930752> I forget exactly which beam upgrade this is, h...
I can win without it if it's hard to get
Actually I just got plasma which is mutually exclusive with it anyway
And way better
fresh hill
oh no it was literally sitting on a table next to my spawn point, you already have it
ah welp
dawn wigeon
Ah! no worries then
dawn wigeon
I don't know what the hell this is https://i.imgur.com/X1vkuVY.png
spend magic, freeze everything on screen
Also may or may not open 1 or 2 dungeons if you have that randomized.
If you don't, it will for sure open Misery Mire
midnight depot
I think I do
fresh hill
oh wow I already have enough platforming spirits/moves to cross this gap
how important is Dark Stone? (that must be past the point I got to in MS)
fresh hill
it's definitely progression
hopefully people stop talking to me so I can focus on this 
ER plus sub spirit is having the intended difficulty effect
I've reached a grand total of 5 rooms so far
weary lagoon
boo booo boo booooomerang
fresh hill
6th room and I died immediately
twice
I need a second save point so badly lol
@fierce vale I hope all my deaths were worth it
fierce vale
i love random cosmetic
fresh hill
everyone in this async group likes Letters, right? those are always important?
weary lagoon
Letters are treasure charts
fresh hill
@lament tusk 
lament tusk
Useful but not unlocking anything for me, I already used like 40
fresh hill
oh we are moving fast this month
fresh hill
sorry I thought they were valuable in previous games
lament tusk
They aemre and arent
There are a lot of bombchu drops, but you usually only get 5 or so
And there are a lot of things to blow up
weary lagoon
since when was there a cape in lttp
fresh hill
it might be the most underexplained/unintuitive item
almost all its uses I had to look up
weary lagoon
@tender pelicanI need this so I can start stocking up money for triforce charts 
lament tusk
Bombchus are required in maybe one place, even then you could probably do it with bombs
They're entirely a luxury extra item, and tbh I don't know whybthey exist in oot
weary lagoon
iron boots for mega
lament tusk
Ooo thx
weary lagoon
you need bombchus in ganons castle nothing else gets the job done for that one switch
fresh hill
found a weird egg but not capital-w Weird for Flitter
lament tusk
you need bombchus in ganons castle nothing else gets the job done for that one s...
I could swear you can use something else there
Maybe I'm misremembering
fresh hill
oh thank god a second bench
...and that's officially BK for this chunk of the map
guess I have to fight the boss in the other direction
FIRST TRY with the awful weapons I gave myself 
and now there are two save points back to back
ER is mocking me
and with this dead end, I do believe I am properly BK'd
at 4.5%
not gonna hint anything this early, but in case anyone sees them, the items that would likely un-BK me are:
- Bloody Knight's Claws
- Dash
- Giant's Hammer
- Heretic's Mask
since that was so short, let's do a teensy bit of ASH and then call it a day
wow the multiworld's already at 16%
fierce vale
i require hat pins, all the hat pins
fresh hill
you mean badge pins?
fierce vale
yeag
wet field
Why didn't Nintendo sue Nintendo for this painting https://i.imgur.com/Rrpu8pA.p...
That's Hario, not Mario
weary lagoon
Did you find any good items?
midnight depot
Yes but they were all mine
weary lagoon
Grrrr!!!!
dawn wigeon
Fortunately LttP has an autotracker https://i.imgur.com/6u3yU9z.png
Almost every AP game seems to have an auto tracker, at least from what I've seen
fresh hill
unfortunately tracker support and quality thereof varies a lot
dawn wigeon
Yeah some of them not great for sure
fresh hill
most of the games I've AP'd do have some form of tracker, in-game or poptracker, though some of them have issues (or the actual rando's logic has issues) which come up in normal play
midnight depot
Every AP game has at least an automated checklist tracker
But I'm more interested in map trackers that do logic for each part of the map
fresh hill
yeah, you get the item autotracker for free, which is why when we talk about "tracker support" we usually mean map/location/logic tracking
dawn wigeon
Which game do you play that is missing that?
fresh hill
hm
looking through my games list, I believe every game I bring to Flitters' asyncs does have a tracker now, however the AHiT and HK ones have serious issues, arguably Blasphemous' does but that's mixed up with actual logic issues, and the one time I played LttP I couldn't find a map tracker that fully matched (though apparently that's improved???)
midnight depot
In this month's list, I think it's A Hat in Time, Paper Mario, Monster Sanctuary (there is an in-game tracker but it requires a newer version).
Lttp has Opentracker now, which is pretty good
My game choice is very much influenced by whether a game has an automatic logic tracker
fresh hill
(oh and Psychonauts didn't have a tracker when I started playing, that came out midway through our April async)
and if any of the games you like have ER there's the whole question of "entrance tracking", apparently Tunic got an entrance tracking tool after I ER'd it so I haven't tried that yet, but EL I'm pretty sure does not, AHiT definitely doesn't
weary lagoon
Paper Mario has poptracker with AP synch
dawn wigeon
Well LTTP has a ton of trackers you can use, and most of them do auto tracking since the whole concept I believe was invented in the ALTTPR community
fresh hill
the irony with older games is they always have trackers but most or all of them will predate the AP rando and likely not match it (that's the issue I had when I rando'd LttP)
iirc SM64 has an infamous chart for figuring out which of the many trackers is least wrong for your purposes
lament tusk
Lol
dawn wigeon
Monster Sanctuary seems to have a good map autotracker
fresh hill
nice
dawn wigeon
(this is looking at Flitter's BTW)
fresh hill
(well now I'm sad that I didn't enjoy Monster Sanctuary)
midnight depot
Yeah, I picked games that specifically have good trackers
fresh hill
all things considered it's impressive how many of the AP randos have completely solid trackers
probably not a coincidence that most of them are poptracker packs and the guy behind poptracker is also a core AP dev
dawn wigeon
A hat in time doesn't have one but it's also unsupported so I'm unsurprised
fresh hill
well, A Hat in Time has the most weirdly mixed status; it does have a poptracker pack, which works for location autotracking, but it's never properly supported act rando and everyone plays that game with act rando
(they do right?)
dawn wigeon
AP is pretty easy to make a tracker out of since the info is all in the same format, I would guess
I could not find a poptracker pack for it
fresh hill
the challenge is usually supporting every possible options combinations and maintaining the tracker as the rando changes
one of the big reasons I favored an in-game tracker for my own AP mod was to force myself to make sure I could keep them in sync long-term
dawn wigeon
Ah flitter I thought you were listing games that did not have one
midnight depot
OoT has no tracker that supports everything, but Tracker of Time is very close
fresh hill
I could not find a poptracker pack for it
oh, I think https://github.com/hoppel16/ahit-poptracker/releases is what I use
even without act rando it's still nice as a visual location auto-checklist
dawn wigeon
That top beta one says it has act tracking, though maybe not perfect logic
fresh hill
I'm aware, I was there when that release came out, and I was the first to find that it did not actually work
sadly they never fully finished it
dawn wigeon
BTW even in games with excellent support I don't always agree with the tracker in terms of what I can or can't get
fresh hill
ah, well, that's another issue; the tracker's job is to reflect the logic of the underlying randomizer
dawn wigeon
Like with smz3 I already did a couple checks that did not show up on the tracker
fresh hill
whether the randomizer's logic is "correct" gets much squishier and affects a lot more than just the tracker
so, most randomizers have known "out of logic" ways to get certain locations, that's not necessarily a bad thing
the most straightforward examples are things like speedrun tricks/glitches that the average player cannot perform, so the randomizer logic assumes you can't either
wet field
Tracker of time is pretty finicky and sometimes lies about checks that should definitely be in logic
fresh hill
and some randomizers have options to put those tricks in logic
dawn wigeon
Yeah the checks in talking about were not behind glitches
weary lagoon
Time to play some Paper Mario
dawn wigeon
Though I did some of those too
midnight depot
What I'm looking from a tracker is usually "What sort of stuff am I forgetting that's easy to get right now?"
fresh hill
there are also cases where a check is out of logic because it might be infeasible or tedious to get to depending on how other things played out, and getting all the relevant variables into logic is more trouble than it's worth
weary lagoon
I got a million new items in that game so instead of being overwhelmed im just gonna go to the desert and pretend im playing vanilla with Koops getting lost
fresh hill
or something that you can only do once and if you miss it, you miss it, so the rando logic has to be the "unmissable" way of getting there (this is why every time I play Pseudoregalia I get one check out of logic)
dawn wigeon
Actually there was one check on in the tracker that was borderline not possible in SM
fresh hill
it might be worth asking about these locations in the AP Discord's SMZ thread
dawn wigeon
But I also had a weird health/ suit situation
fresh hill
for all I know that tracker is just broken
wet field
there are also cases where a check is out of logic because it _might_ be infeasi...
Tracker of time telling you you can do the random chest game without lens of truth is always hilarious
weary lagoon
midnight depot
You can (just cheat)
dawn wigeon
I got the item
It was just hard
Also remember I play on real hardware so no save states for me
Even SM64 is compiled directly for PC so not there either
fresh hill
I should probably clarify that I only played Super Metroid one time many years ago and have never looked into the rando
dawn wigeon
I had to do a 4-tap stutter short charge in a heated room, and pop my reserves before actually doing the spark
Was a neat puzzle to figure out, but a little frustrating to execute considering my stutter step is not the greatest
wet field
Meat puzzle......
fresh hill
tbf even Hollow Knight and Blasphemous have a location or two where I disagree with the default logic
weary lagoon
epic
lament tusk
Lol
dawn wigeon
Meat puzzle......
Yep typing on phone will do that sometimes
fresh hill
but no one's playing Psychonauts this month
midnight depot
Paper Arti sent Slingshot to FlitterOoT (DDO Outpost 2 Hidden Panel)
lament tusk
nice
fresh hill
@fierce vale AHiT tracker just got re-released under a new maintainer with various fixes, including some act rando fixes: https://github.com/Fouton/HatInTimeRando-Poptracker/releases/tag/Release
dawn wigeon
Dessy-SM64 sent Ice Trap to Meganoot (LLL: Boil the Big Bully)
Dessy-SM64 sent Ice Trap to Meganoot (BBH: Big Boo's Balcony)
dawn wigeon
first item, <@100381061673930752> I forget exactly which beam upgrade this is, h...
Turns out this went to SM and Plasma went to SMZ3. I disabled Plasma in SM so this is still quite useful.
Only one new check in each of my games so maybe I should only check every few days lol
SM64 had a couple but I also remembered how to do MIPS clip to get more checks
midnight depot
Hi
Let's play OoT
I'm going to use the manual entrance shuffle mapper https://tracker.brakke.dev/#routing
Thank you for heart container, thieves hideout key, strength, song of storms, deku shield, fairy bow, weird egg, deku stick capacity, bombchus, bomb bag, hylian shield, light arrows, ocarina, spirit temple boss key, more strength, boomerang, fire temple boss key, slingshot, and 20 gold skulltulas
Claim check for Artiks
Ocarina for Meganought
midnight depot
FlitterOoT sent Steeplechase to JayRCT (LH Child Fishing)
midnight depot
It is?
lament tusk
i have cowsanity
midnight depot
Oh that makes sense
lament tusk
gold scale? thats just one check but thanks anyway
midnight depot
If you hit fire keese with a boomerang your boomerang should burn
fresh hill
do BotW/TotK do that?
lament tusk
flitter is joking
fresh hill
maybe it was just arrows
lament tusk
arti, stop, its hammer time
midnight depot
FlitterOoT sent Letter to Kolorado to Paper Arti (LLR GS House Window)
FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Angler's Tunnel) to DrRomLADX (LLR GS Back Wall)
FlitterOoT sent Small Key (Water Temple) to Meganoot (LLR Deku Scrub Grotto Right)
Neptune boosters for Meganought
FlitterOoT sent Mega Grenade to Llisandur (ZD Diving Minigame)
tender pelican
Ooh, the thing I need for the thing I left off at.
midnight depot
FlitterOoT sent Progressive Sword to FlitterLttP (GC Maze Center Chest)
FlitterOoT sent Shell Necklace to FlitterASH (GC Maze Right Chest)
FlitterOoT sent Sky Fragment to Llisandur (GC GS Boulder Maze)
Ah, so cruel
If it were one rupee cheaper I wouldn't need a bigger wallet to buy it
FlitterOoT sent Bottle (Good Bee) to FlitterLttP (Kak Redead Grotto Chest)
FlitterOoT sent Sraphim to Dessy-FF6WC (Kak GS Skulltula House)
Where the fuck is my kokiri sword
That's enough for today
weary lagoon
do BotW/TotK do that?
there arent any enemies who are on fire by default but they will burn if they are hit by a fire attack
Happy weekend everyone
any news on my weird egg?
midnight depot
2/4 weird eggs total
weary lagoon
which ones
midnight depot
You found mine, Dr. Romulus found Meganought's
weary lagoon
That means you will have to find my weird egg
midnight depot
Sure. You should hint for it so I can find it faster
weary lagoon
thats not happening
weary lagoon
@fierce vale Imagine you are a weird egg
fierce vale
no thanks
fierce vale
i wouldn't hide in a cell as an egg
weary lagoon
@fresh hill Imagine you are a weird egg
fierce vale
a coop would be much stealthier
weary lagoon
Would you be more likely to hide in a cell shaded ocean or a paper world
lament tusk
ok this is important, if you can get there it would be apreciated dessy
back to bk mode
weary lagoon
bomb bag for meganoot
thanks to my new wallet.
bomb bag for me
thanks to my new wallet
weary lagoon
🙏
lament tusk
And you get a bomb, and you get a bomb, and you get a bomb...
weary lagoon
is toy shovel important in a short hike
weary lagoon
should i grind 175 rupeeronis for yours
dawn wigeon
ok this is important, if you can get there it would be apreciated dessy
For this I will need Mirror + 2 Progressive Gloves. It could be a while
dawn wigeon
Can't hint anything because hint cost is so high ;_;
midnight depot
Hints are pretty expensive because other players seem to like them that way. You can only afford ten so you gotta ration them carefully
But
dawn wigeon
Nah higher cost is better for async anyway
I've pretty much exclusively been doing syncs where 5% is better to get done in a reasonable time
midnight depot
You can use BK Sudoku or Hint Machine to get random hints if you're really stuck with nothing to play
dawn wigeon
I have a couple of new checks in FF6 if I play today
I'm sure more checks will happen over the weekend
weary lagoon
Weekend is when King Krøt comes online and finds all the eggs
cold valve
What if i find a second one
dawn wigeon
Would love to hear about how long these two will take @midnight depot @fresh hill
fresh hill
due to ER, I have absolutely no idea
dawn wigeon
It said vanilla entrance, don't know if that's bugged though
fresh hill
this one's kind of an AP design issue, it uses "Vanilla" to mean "the world generation code did not provide any special text to put here" which can mean there's no ER happening so they're all vanilla, or it can mean "no I'm not dumping the entire ER graph go play your game :P"
the entrance text gets used a lot more often in "milder" forms of ER like a Zelda dungeon shuffle or AHiT's act rando, where knowing only "one room up" is often all you need and always a significant help
cold valve
gerudo membership card for flitteroot
prawn suit drill arm fragment for meganoughtica
wet field
this would be nice to have
weary lagoon
imagine keeping shoes in your diary
fresh hill
I believe that slot is still BK'd
weary lagoon
I forgot that I had dungeon entrance rando on WW
LTTP keys being junk is interesting
@wet field I could really use this so I can start collecting rupees for triforce charts.
clear summit
Hmm, gonna play ASH a little bit, like 4~5 checks maybe
midnight depot
Hi.
Let's play A Short Hike
Thanks for the money, sticks, seashells, maps, necklace, watch, journal, shovel, feathers,
I don't think I'll get all of these right now https://i.imgur.com/C2fna5n.png
FlitterASH sent Volcano Vase to Paper Arti (Boat Isle Mound Seashell)
FlitterASH sent Watt to Paper Arti (Secret Island Bottom Chest)
FlitterASH sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to Meganoot (Secret Island Beach Trail Stick)
clear summit
I don't feel like playing RCT until I get the tree removal since the scenario actually has quite a lot of trees and it's annoying, but if it takes too long I'll eventually grab some more checks
midnight depot
Where's your tree removal?
midnight depot
Oh yeah
FlitterASH sent Small Key (Fire Temple) to Meganoot (Old Building East Chest)
FlitterASH sent Small Key (Spirit Temple) to Meganoot (Old Building Chest)
FlitterASH sent Morph to Dessy-SMZ3 (Old Building West Chest)
My Kokiri sword!
FlitterASH sent Letter to Frost T to Paper Arti (North Coast Chest)
weary lagoon
Every letter is a TC its not that important
midnight depot
I see
FlitterASH sent Slingshot to Meganoot (Sue the Rabbit Shoes Reward)
FlitterASH sent Food Stall to JayRCT (Hawk Peak Bucket Rock)
FlitterASH sent Traffic Blocks to JayCEL (Meteor Lake Seashell)
fresh hill
I should probably double-check that Ixlily is as BK'd as I think it is
midnight depot
That's enough for now. The game is 45% done. Let's focus on other games
Like Lttp
Or actually, Monster Sanctuary has been off for longer
fresh hill
there was a poison room that I could do some sucide runs in to make sure that I can't accomplish anything there without iirc claw or slam
midnight depot
Thanks for Koi egg, mystical workshop key, sanctuary token, magma chamber key, ancient woods key, key of power, underworld key
midnight depot
unless youre just thinking variety
I mostly don't want to burn out on any game
weary lagoon
wow you have so many keys
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Progressive Hookshot to Meganoot (Sun Palace - East - Interior Chest)
midnight depot
wow you have so many keys
It's a metroidvania. OoT has many keys
Golden feather for me
Let's stop here
FlitterMS sent Bottle with Red Potion to Arti (Sun Palace - West - Mount Door Chest)
weary lagoon
Lets relax on the great sea in WW for a bit 
such an open game compared to oot
and thats without the most important item in the game grappling hook
lament tusk
11
12
oh the slingshot! yes
hookshot!
lense of truth for arti
oh huh, the golden scale is techincally 2 checks, the tektite cave requires it
or iron boots obviously
cold valve
bowser castle key for paper arti
lament tusk
hookshot for arti
weary lagoon
Arigato :3
cold valve
thanks for the tail key btw, i found level 2 inside level 1
lament tusk
spin attack for paper arti, i assume that's gonna make getting around a lot faster
pocket egg to krat
no weird egg but its an egg
weary lagoon
its been a while since I went through the settings
I thought you couldnt shuffle the adult trade quest but I guess I was wrong
midnight depot
You can shuffle them, but in archipelago instead of deciding whether to shuffle or not, you decide which item you get first
The default is claim check
If you set it to any other item, you have to wait until you have all the items after that then complete the trades manually
You skip all trades before the item you set it to
weary lagoon
I see!!
lament tusk
i have no idea how you are shuffling songs tho
midnight depot
You just do it through the settings?
lament tusk
i have them suffeled to only other song locations
i dont know what the option is to shuffle them anywhere
midnight depot
I'd imagine it's the one that says shuffle song items
lament tusk
oh either i missed that or they updated it and i just... missed that
ill remember to do that next time
midnight depot
It's been there since implementation, but it is kind of a weird setting
lament tusk
maybe i misunderstood it
dawn wigeon
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Progressive Hookshot to kr?t (Missile (Crateria gauntlet right))
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Sky Fragment to Llisandur (Missile (green Brinstar behind reserve tank))
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Furniture to Submega (Missile (green Brinstar behind missile))
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Golden Feather to FlitterASH (Energy Tank, Waterway)
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Toy Shovel to JayASH (Super Missile (Crateria))
midnight depot
Nice, thanks for the golden feather.
dawn wigeon
Morph got me a ton of checks I can only do a few right now though
Due to time
I'll grab the rest later
wet field
[Hint]: kr?t's Ocarina is at Turtle Rock - Trinexx in Dessy-SMZ3's World
midnight depot
Thank you for Farore's Wind
dawn wigeon
`[Hint]: kr?t's Ocarina is at Turtle Rock - Trinexx in Dessy-SMZ3's World`
well that's not great
At least 5 major progression items needed to get that, you'll be waiting a while
midnight depot
Maybe it's the other ocarina then
wet field
dawn wigeon
What a weird OW seed I just had, @fresh hill saw it. Back to SMZ3
fresh hill
somehow I completely failed to register that you were the same dessy as over here until just now
dawn wigeon
My name is so dumbly spelled there's only one in the world
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Kokiri Sword to Meganoot (Power Bomb (red Brinstar sidehopper room))
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Golden Feather to JayASH (Missile (red Brinstar spike room))
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Requiem of Spirit to kr?t (Spazer)
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Light Arrows to kr?t (Grappling Beam)
wet field
dawn wigeon
So morph by itself gave me 43 checks
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Progressive Hookshot to Meganoot (Waterfall Fairy - Right)
shy oyster
<:PinkiePog:1233104116713128009>
this is the worst emoji ive ever seen
old tendon
it might be the worse
dawn wigeon
Yeah they made a pony out of the racist guy
midnight depot
Yooo it's nat
old tendon
im only here bc cap said kratta posted the worst emoji ever
tender pelican
It's a single-game mashup of Super Metroid and Zelda LttP. The items are randomized through both games and certain entrances switch between games.
tender pelican
Yep.
weary lagoon
Hm none of my hinted wallets have been found, getting them late after I get sent all my big rupees sucks. If I play WW again I should remember to start with at least one wallet.
lament tusk
Dessy-SMZ3 sent Kokiri Sword to Meganoot (Power Bomb (red Brinstar sidehopper ro...
Yaaas
lament tusk
Hm none of my hinted wallets have been found, getting them late after I get sent...
Is there no easy money grind in ww like in oot?
weary lagoon
it needs hookshot and is far away and you need almost 5000 rupees in that game for everything
lament tusk
Oh
dawn wigeon
I thought about playing LTTP twice as well 😛
cold valve
hm, is there a way to set up the LADX YAML such that dungeon entrances shuffle with each other but not the other entrances, but also the other entrances shuffle with each other but not the dungeons?
it looks like dungeon entrance shuffle is a thing, but adding entrance shuffle just does all of them including dungeons
midnight depot
Best ask in the archipelago discord server
Might be doable with the plandomizer even if it's not an explicit option
OoT does randomization in that style you want where each entrance type is shuffled separately
I'll ask for you
cold valve
hm, it seems that the randomizer makes no distinction between ukuku prarie west and east, you need bombs to get past the big rock from west to east, or to get to it from martha's bay west (need boots and feather, or rooster from the beach), or flippers (from the bay). so this game i generated stuck my items in inaccessible areas, unless there's some logic i'm unaware of
the spoiler log says the seashell mansion is in sphere 2, accessible with only my power bracelet from sphere 1
ha i'm dumb, i can just go around the pothole field
midnight depot
Oh
weary lagoon
thinking about playing some WIND WAKER
Looks like I havent gotten anything important at all!
Missing some very crucial items in grappling hook, sword, wallets
midnight depot
I'm almost done with one of my assignments, which means I can finally play Lttp
midnight depot
Let's play A Link to the Past
weary lagoon
@tender pelican found river coin
tender pelican
Thanks. Unfortunately I already bypassed the need for it with a different item. XD
I'm blocked until someone finds the dragon claw.
weary lagoon
ah
Wind Waker is finally in BK mode
Considering hinting sword or grappling hook
theres four swords and one grappling hook so lets do that one
@midnight depot this is the most important item in the game
midnight depot
You got it
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Bombchus to Meganoot (Dark World Potion Shop Right)
FlitterLttP sent BigKeyTR to Dessy-SMZ3 (Hype Cave - Middle Left)
FlitterLttP sent Magical Seed to Paper Arti (Hype Cave - Top)
FlitterLttP sent Chain of Sorcery to Ixlily (Hype Cave - Generous Guy)
weary lagoon
oh I was gonna do the treasure chest game but I dont have magic
Alright, OoT is in Weird Egg or Boomerang waiting room
midnight depot
Time to explore ice palace
weary lagoon
its slippery if I recall
midnight depot
I fucking hate it
A shield can be found at Beach Hut Rocky Pool Sand Stick in Ixbird's world
fresh hill
perfect
I might play some later, double-check EL is truly BK'd and if that's the case maybe go for a stupidly high % of ASH
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Koot Tape to Paper Arti (Dark World Lumberjack Shop Center)
FlitterLttP sent Golden Feather to JayASH (Dark World Lumberjack Shop Right)
weary lagoon
What is koot tape bro..
weary lagoon
ah i think that one sucks
midnight depot
Yeah I'm super lost
lament tusk
The tape? It gives you the lucky day badge base game
It's the last item in a very long trading sidequest
weary lagoon
!!
midnight depot
FlitterLttP sent Ocarina to kr?t (Skull Woods - Compass Chest)
Let's stop here because this game gives me a headache
Next time I play it'll be in the normal world first, dark mode after
weary lagoon
did you have the game start in dark world?
midnight depot
Yes
weary lagoon
interesting
wet field
midnight depot
Most of the checks I can reach are in the regular world
But I'd have to actually go up the mountain to swap
I'll do that tomorrow
fresh hill
Ixlily is indeed still in BK
I previously guessed that 4 items would break me out of it. 1 of those guesses was incorrect, but now that I've done a suicide run into one of the other rooms I'm fairly certain the other 3 were correct. So any of these items would immediately give me access to at least one more room:
- Bloody Knight's Claws
- Dash
- Giant's Hammer
oh, and I don't have enough hint points yet, unless Flitter's cool with doing one of those cross-slot hint things we sometimes do
on to birding
immediate success: @cold valve
midnight depot
I'm in bed so I'd rather wait until more people are stuck
midnight depot
I just finished the last of my semester projects so I only have assignments left, which means I'm going to ramp up the time I play every day
fresh hill
seriously, it hasn't even been 10 minutes and I've found two boomerangs (and all this other stuff)
midnight depot
Thanks for stick
cold valve
immediate success: <@221742476153716736>
Fuck yeah, thanks!
fresh hill
oh look another critical Rom item
fresh hill
hm, the whole multiworld is at 30%, and Ixlily's stuck at 5%, so if we pretend all games are equal that implies I should play ASH up to 55%
I am so bad at beachstickball
tender pelican
Lol what? XD
midnight depot
Furry convention trap hires a lot of entertainers for you
So you have to either fire them manually or lose a lot of money
tender pelican
So it is actually what I'm probably thinking. XD
midnight depot
There's also a minigame where you solve a quiz to fire them all at once
tender pelican
All the ice traps. XD
fresh hill
so normally we try to summarize the important items we found but... this seed man
oops all progression
midnight depot
Thanks for quake, rare seashell
cold valve
Boots and key! Yay!
fresh hill
and that's 55%
cold valve
what if instead of doing my post-work AP checkup i take a lil nap instead
lament tusk
what if instead of i
midnight depot
Thanks for big poe, goron tunic, gerudo membership card, GTG key ring, kokiri sword, second bomb bag, farore's wind, heart container
FlitterOoT sent Magic Powder to DrRomLADX (Kak Anju as Child)
FlitterOoT sent Golden Feather to JayASH (Kak 30 Gold Skulltula Reward)
Deku tree is deku tree
lament tusk
magic! stick upgrade! kokiri sword! longshot! big quiver! another death! giant wallet! boomerang! bigger bomb bag! thats a bunch of checks
midnight depot
Time to fight queen Gohma
FlitterOoT sent Strago to Dessy-FF6WC (Deku Tree Queen Gohma Heart)
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Song of Time is at Snatcher's Contract - Toilet of Doom in A Chip in Time's World. (not found) @fierce vale I need this to make my bottle useful
fierce vale
unfortunately im in office tommorow so ill be on lste
midnight depot
No worries
fierce vale
also i don't know where that level is since i haven't found any sub con first yet
midnight depot
Let's try to skip this big dude so we can unlock more locations https://i.imgur.com/gd7KwCn.png
Turns out he hid Lost Woods behind him https://i.imgur.com/hFnI4RS.png
FlitterOoT sent Shovel to JayASH (ZF GS Above the Log)
Magic for Kratta
Dodongo's Cavern is itself
My god, the possibilities in that one branch are endless
I'll stop here for today
cold valve
thanks for all the stuff!
magpie forgot all my saved entrances
fire arrows for meganoot
wallet for arti
lament tusk
fire arrows for meganoot
ooo thanks
cold valve
quake for dessy-smz3
weary lagoon
thanks. Magic is good.
lament tusk
bk mode for oot again, but i did complete jabu jabu
got forest medallion
i have the water medallion too but i dont remember getting that? i know we get a free one but i thought we got that as an adult
midnight depot
You get the free one immediately upon starting a seed
lament tusk
thats the light medallion check?
midnight depot
I don't know
All I know is you get a free dungeon reward in your pocket when you start a seed
lament tusk
damn i need that laser cutter fragment but those both require adult link
midnight depot
If we get stuck for a while I can do the door of time skip
fresh hill
or hint one of my items
midnight depot
Yeah but now I want to explain concurrency, not play Archipelago
weary lagoon
thats the light medallion check?
yep. In AP rando you start with that because the default setting is open door of time
In OOTMM you have to earn the light medallion because door of time is closed usually
weary lagoon
Flitters kak shop has like 3 super important items so far lol
weary lagoon
:o
weary lagoon
@midnight depot Could you look up in the log where I got a Sleepy Sheep? Its supposed to be a repeatable location
midnight depot
Yes
[root at 2024-05-02 20:07:46,425]: (Team #1) Paper Arti sent Sleepy Sheep to Paper Arti (DDO Outpost 2 Toad House Roof)
weary lagoon
thats not repeatable but I just found another
midnight depot
[root at 2024-05-07 13:40:11,963]: (Team #1) Paper Arti sent Sleepy Sheep to Paper Arti (SSS Merluvlee's House Merlow's Badges 8)
weary lagoon
ye I just got that
midnight depot
Maybe there's at least one repeatable source and multiple non-repeatable ones
weary lagoon
yes the repeatable one should be bonking a tree or in a shop so its neither of those
midnight depot
The spoiler log says there are five sleepy sheep locations
weary lagoon
well I only needed this one so its ok
midnight depot
Oh does it require a lantern?
weary lagoon
all my games are all checked out
tender pelican
Another ice trap. How many are there? XD
weary lagoon
i think they play with all junk is replaced with ice traps
tender pelican
Ah, I see.
midnight depot
Okay, now I'm stuck in a dark room and I can't figure out how to get out
[Hint]: FlitterLttP's Lamp is at Song from Windmill in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)
Instead of bashing my head against A Link to the Past, I'm going to play the game I know better
I can technically get to that check, if I abuse enough bugs, or if Chip finds my thing
Doing that will require door of time skip, which should get my shop stuff
Thank you for iron boots, nocturne of shadows
FlitterOoT sent Fishing Rod to JayASH (Dodongos Cavern Map Chest)
lament tusk
np
midnight depot
Today I learned you don't need the hookshot for this check
You can just drag the statue all the way over, backflip onto the statue, then jump onto the ledge to climb up and kill the gold skulltula
weary lagoon
as child?
midnight depot
Yes
midnight depot
I think you can just run into it or backflip into it
It wasn't that high but I used boomerang anyway
I was wondering what's up with my computer
Turns out my browser was eating all my CPU time https://i.imgur.com/M4cZhqO.png
Specifically the microsoft office online pages I had open
weary lagoon
Microsoft Word allows you to type and format your documents after all
cold valve
midnight depot
Normal behavior https://i.imgur.com/SQswO7E.png
FlitterOoT sent TotG Big Key to Toon Arti (Dodongos Cavern Bomb Flower Platform Chest)
midnight depot
FlitterOoT sent Book to Dessy-SMZ3 (Dodongos Cavern GS Back Room)
Book
What a descriptive name
Dodongo's cavern done
FlitterOoT sent Triple Jump to Dessy-SM64 (Dodongos Cavern King Dodongo Heart)
weary lagoon
thats a good item
midnight depot
[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Rutos Letter is at Dead Bird Studio (Rift) - Page: Above TV Room in A Chip in Time's World at Time Rift - Dead Bird Studio. (not found)
FlitterOoT sent Mailbag to Paper Arti (ZR Frogs in the Rain)
FlitterOoT sent Bucket to FlitterASH (Market Lost Dog)
midnight depot
Let's play A Short Hike
I have made it to the peak https://i.imgur.com/dPUb5BC.png
(The goal is help everyone though)
FlitterASH sent Umaro to Dessy-FF6WC (House North Beach Seashell)
FlitterASH sent Kooper to Paper Arti (Purchase Sunhat)
weary lagoon
Wow my final partner
midnight depot
FlitterASH sent Light Arrows to Meganoot (Fisherman's Boat Chest 1)
FlitterASH sent Gravity to Dessy-SMZ3 (Compass Guy)
midnight depot
Race 1 of 3 won https://i.imgur.com/Ehx1AAL.png
Let's play beachstickball
I got a stick for Ixrec
https://i.imgur.com/L9TOfHL.png really good run
fresh hill
you're way better at it than me apparently
I think I got 27 the other day before deciding I'd tried enough for one session
midnight depot
41 is my all time high score
I usually struggle to get 30
FlitterASH sent CardLowerNorfairL1 to Dessy-SMZ3 (Orange Islands East Chest)
FlitterASH sent Triforce Shard 5 to Toon Arti (Orange Islands South Hidden Chest)
FlitterASH sent Stick to JayASH (Outlook Point Dog Gift)
FlitterASH sent Nightmare Key (Turtle Rock) to DrRomLADX (Visitor's Center Shop Golden Feather 2)
And that's enough Archipelago for today
weary lagoon
i think thats my first triforce
dawn wigeon
oh some big stuff there
Dark rooms are tough
Walk around with your sword out
Or just wait for lamp if your dark room logic is lamp
You may end up getting flute first to get up there
midnight depot
Dark room logic is indeed lamp
dawn wigeon
That said there are only 2 rooms going up the mountain
midnight depot
I can go out of logic in OoT and get my own lamp, which I will if I have to (it's easier than learning dark rooms)
dawn wigeon
first one is vaguely up right down right up right, and the second one is basically right a little, down a bit, right (going against diagonal wall) to wall, down, left, down
fresh hill
I like how so many of the games we play have "dark room needs lamp" logic
weary lagoon
paper mario has dark room needs watt?
midnight depot
Yeah, I tried doing the dark rooms with a picture then got through the first one and got stuck
dawn wigeon
You probably kept falling in the pit
midnight depot
Got stuck against walls
midnight depot
Yep. Using sword to detect walls and then following them
I might give it another try later
midnight depot
My lamp is in my OoT world
But you might find my flute
Or mirror?
I forgot which methods allow me to swap to the light world
fierce vale
i need paintings or the no bonk badge to get anything from subcon forest
dawn wigeon
Dessy-SM64's Ground Pound is at Forest Temple MQ Raised Island Courtyard Upper Chest in kr?t's World at DMC Fire Temple Entrance -> Fire Temple Lower. (not found)
Dessy-SM64's Vanish Cap is at Mountains West Wreck - Office Databox in Submega's World. (not found)
Dessy-SM64's Wing Cap is at Cliffside Hamlet 03 - Amulet Fragment in Ixlily's World. (not found)
Dessy-SM64's Long Jump is at Bottom of the Well Invisible Chest in Meganoot's World at Zoras Fountain -> Jabu Jabus Belly Beginning. (not found)
Dessy-SM64's Climb is at Below Lighthouse Walkway Stick in JayASH's World. (not found)
Those five should allow me to do every check in SM64
weary lagoon
No one ever hints stuff in my games..
tender pelican
[Hint]: Llisandur's Dragon Claw is at Deku Tree Basement Chest in Arti's World at Desert Colossus -> Spirit Temple Lobby. (not found)
There you go. :P
fierce vale
lets gooooo
cold valve
Lol
weary lagoon
That game is in weird egg waiting room
you know this is a serious run when we're one week in and we don't have all the weird eggs
lament tusk
have you hinted your egg?
lament tusk
well my oot is still BK
tho light arrows is neat
and so is my subnautica
might try to do a bit more in it anyway
well that was unexpectedly terrifying
i went all the way out to lifepod two, which as it turns out, is 500m down
i dont have a submarine yet, so i wasnt sure if my airtank could go that far
as i was coming up, i had to basically crash into a ghost leviathan. i couldnt go around it, as i'd used half my oxygen just getting down and was running out
yay
there was two checks there, 5 rupees for krat and an ice trap for me! hooray!
fresh hill
sounds a lot like Outer Wilds when I try to go for DB checks early
lament tusk
have you played subnautica ix?
fresh hill
no but I did watch an LP once
lament tusk
its a great game but theres a lot of dark bramble moments in it
tho tbh i think dark bramble tops them
i've yet to play outer wilds yet
is this useful rom?
midnight depot
It's progression
lament tusk
well i could have gotten that earlier, so oops
turns out two of the wrecks i thought i needed the lazer cutter for, had another harder to see entrance! who knew?
well the developers did obviously
and the rando guys
and speedrunners probably
midnight depot
It's okay because I also found a magic powder earlier
lament tusk
it would explain why the game was telling me to go to those wrecks
cold valve
is this useful rom?
Unfortunately powder is never useful once I've found the trendy game, which is usually right away
Yes it's needed for many checks, but you buy it for 10 rupees from the get-go
Unless your trendy game is randomized to a hard to reach place (which mine wasn't)
Interestingly i found 2 sets of locations that just swapped with each other, and one locations that randomized to its normal place
lament tusk
oof
midnight depot
French vanilla
weary lagoon
@clear summit
weary lagoon
All junk in todays Paper Mario
does progression balance place junk in your world if you're ahead / someone is behind?
fresh hill
iiuc progression balancing "only" takes progression items and moves them earlier than they were already placed, but that may involve swapping them with junk items so I believe it could lead to that
never really studied it at a technical level though
midnight depot
Yeah that's correct
Can't move progression items to be earlier unless you swap them with non-progression items or later progression items
midnight depot
Hi
Let's play
Monster Sanctuary, I guess
Thanks for shift stones, stronghold dungeon key, rare seashell, sanctuary token, blue cave key, blob burg key, magma chamber key, and mozzie
What the fuck is mozzie
tender pelican
Is it cheese?
midnight depot
Last we left I couldn't progress because I didn't have enough blue cave keys for this door
FlitterMS sent Prelude of Light to FlitterOoT (Blue Cave - Upper South Vertical)
FlitterMS sent Triforce Shard 7 to Toon Arti (Blue Cave - South Big Rock Room)
I have three of five tokens
fresh hill
I was getting tempted to fully BK my ASH slot, guess I "have" to now
midnight depot
It's okay, I won't actually need that area until I'm level 30 and I'm still level 12
FlitterMS sent Running Shoes to JayASH (Blue Cave - East 4)
I got the easter egg monster
It's an extreme glass cannon
tender pelican
Nice.
midnight depot
FlitterMS sent Magic Rod to DrRomLADX (Blue Cave - East 1)
FlitterMS sent Strawberry to JayCEL (Blue Cave - East 2)
FlitterMS sent BigKeyGT to Dessy-SMZ3 (Blue Cave - Crystal Room - Upper Ledge Chest 2)
FlitterMS sent Energy Tank to Dessy-SM (Mountain Path - Water Orb Chest)
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It's okay, I won't actually need that area until I'm level 30 and I'm still leve...
yeah, it's unlikely all 3 are in locations I can reach right now anyway
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FlitterMS sent Nightmare Key (Eagle's Tower) to DrRomLADX (Snowy Peaks - West Cave - Ice Orb Chest)
FlitterMS sent Magic Armor to Toon Arti (Snowy Peaks - West Cave - Upper Chest)
FlitterMS sent Small Key (Water Temple) to kr?t (Snowy Peaks - West Cave - Middle Chest)
FlitterMS sent Small Key (Gerudo Training Ground) to kr?t (Snowy Peaks - West Mountain - Western Chest)
weary lagoon
/:o
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FlitterMS sent Bowser Castle Key to Paper Arti (Snowy Peaks - West Mountain - Diamond Block Chest)
FlitterMS sent Kokiri Sword to kr?t (Snowy Peaks - West Mountain Peak - Breakable Wall Chest)
FlitterMS sent Weird Egg to Arti (Snowy Peaks - East Mountain - Lower Crumble Ledge Chest 2) @weary lagoon
FlitterMS sent Seaglide Fragment to Submega (Snowy Peaks - East Mountain - West Crumble Ledge Chest)
FlitterMS sent Small Key Ring (Shadow Temple) to FlitterOoT (Snowy Peaks - East Mountain - Upper Cave Chest)
So many progression items
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I think it may be time to hint for my feather
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`FlitterMS sent Seaglide Fragment to Submega (Snowy Peaks - East Mountain - West...
why do you have seaglide fragments? i set that to early seaglide, i already have it
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early seaglide means "in swimming distance of the lifepod"
otherwise im expected to swim everywhere on the map myself
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Maybe it just gives you a seaglide but keeps randomizing all the fragments anyway
[Hint]: FlitterMS's Blue Cave key is at Market Bazaar Item 7 in FlitterOoT's World. (not found)
Next I will play Ocarina of Time, and if Chip couldn't find my thing yet I'll try the door of time skip
Thanks for Din's fire, song of time (!), prelude of light, shadow temple key ring
Thank you chip
FlitterOoT sent Food Stall to JayRCT (Sheik at Temple)
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Wow you can warp straight to the temple and turn adult.
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FlitterOoT sent Neptune Cockpit to Submega (Gerudo Training Ground Stalfos Chest)
FlitterOoT found their Fire Arrows (Gerudo Training Ground Maze Path First Chest)
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but can you get to the kek shop..
weary lagoon
I meant to say kak
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What a hassle
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One day the government will allow me to cut down some trees
weary lagoon
Jay did you see my ping
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I think I will buy this
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Too expensive
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And I will buy this
FlitterOoT sent KeyPD to Dessy-SMZ3 (Kak 40 Gold Skulltula Reward)
I will also buy this
Later, I will come back and buy this
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You got your Hammer @weary lagoon
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I also have:
Terrato for Dessy 185
Stone Tablet Fragment 185
Strength for Artiks 200,
Bloody Knight's Claws 85
weary lagoon
I also have:
Terrato for Dessy 185
Stone Tablet Fragment 185
Strength for Artik...
I really really really need that strength
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I'll need another wallet for it so let me hint my wallet
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FUCK
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[Hint]: FlitterOoT's Progressive Wallet is at Sleepy Subcon - Page: Behind Crane in A Chip in Time's World at Time Rift - Rumbi Factory. (not found)
FlitterOoT sent Lamp to FlitterLttP (Song from Windmill)
My lamp!
Bah, my game froze
I'll stop here for now and come back to it later
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uh ohh
weary lagoon
time to egg it up
Vanilla Eponas song?? What has this world come to
that means HBA is in logic 😎
time to learn what my win condition is
thats all 9
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Oh boy
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I managed to get Dampes timed reward while playing at 200% speed
would love to hint my last strength but it would probably just show the one in your shop
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Nice work
It will almost definitely show the one in my shop so I recommend you wait for a wallet
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The fire temple is the spirit temple! Scary place!
Can adult Link get the really annoying skulltula in deku tree or do you need to crawl through a hole
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He can get to it from the other side
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There's a trick to burn cobwebs with a regular arrow but it's hard
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time to BK this bird
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YOOO
I did a sick backflip over the spiked pole
that was a lot of work for 18 coins for Jay
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Good luck
For that puzzle I think I climb on the platform after it passes the spikes
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The Deku Tree down!!! 2/9!!
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ah, truncation
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time to egg it up
I need my weird egg to get to temple of time, so I hope someone finds it soon 
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Bottom of the well map is nice
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neat, I beat Avery rematch without the running shoes
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I have no idea what that does but it's a progression so thanks
Arti sent Angler Key to DrRomLADX (LH Freestanding PoH)
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lets gooo
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Yay, finally have the dragon claw and can do more.
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this chest takes some work with only 3 feathers
huh, even the old building race wasn't that hard with only 3 feathers and no shoes
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Yay, finally have the dragon claw and can do more.
Maybe my wallet is available now?
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Yeah, it's a lot easier if you know the route or have a bucket