Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer | Manechat | Page 36

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:20 AM

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yeeeeeeeeees

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that opens up most of Verboten Domain over in Ender Lilies

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might even be able to reach the final boss and do normal ending now

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:24 AM

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Ixfox sent Running Shoes to JayASH (West Garden - [North] Page Pickup)

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Should be a progression check

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For some reason it's marked useful

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:25 AM

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I thought it doesn't block anything?

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Zelda jingle

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:28 AM

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Ixfox sent Progressive Hookshot to OoTFlitter (West Garden House - [Southeast Lowlands] Ice Dagger Pickup)

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Hell yes

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Ixfox sent Hibiscus to Dr. Romulus (West Garden - [Central Highlands] Top of Ladder Before Boss)

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:29 AM

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and this is what happens when you bring an endgame shotgun to the tutorial boss CozyLaugh

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West Garden clear for now

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onward to Swamp

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:32 AM

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Ixfox sent Small Key (Color Dungeon) to Dr. Romulus (Caustic Light Cave - Holy Cross Chest)

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:34 AM

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50 rupees is progression?

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:36 AM

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Oh yeah, Link's Awakening Rupees are progression for some reason

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Ixfox sent Spyglass to CaptainMario (Swamp - [South Graveyard] Guarded By Big Skeleton)

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I've got my forest temple small keys

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Let's finish that dungeon

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:48 AM

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krøt Small Key (Forest Temple) Swamp - [South Graveyard] Upper Walkway Dash Chest

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I realize now this is currently unreachable

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:48 AM

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krøt (Team #1) has completed their goal.

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:48 AM

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welp

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:49 AM

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Well done, well done

wet field Apr 21, 2024, 5:49 AM

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woo

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 5:50 AM

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I got my Abyssal Depths and Sundered Grove, those should hold a lot of checks

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 5:50 AM

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I believe that's the key Rom hinted for me

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 5:50 AM

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Ixfox sent Nightmare Key (Face Shrine) to Dr. Romulus (Swamp - [Upper Graveyard] Near Telescope)

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 5:52 AM

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Time to get

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Arti's Mirror Shield
Ixbird's Fishing Journal
Ixnaut's Kitty's Brain
Ixnaut's Elka's Brain
Ixlily's Unlock
Ixfox's Ladder to East Forest
Arti's Claim Check

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:02 AM

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and swamp clear for now

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A hint costs 30 points. You have 59 points.

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ok let's get one more check before wrapping it up

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:04 AM

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oh sweet, more checks. thanks!

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:07 AM

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Mistake was made

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resetting my run

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:08 AM

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oh, looks like the other stuff my fox needs is in my fox world

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how badly do you need Post-Golem?

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and Flitter's Hover Boots

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 6:09 AM

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I don't think I need hover boots anymore, unless I'm mistaken and I somehow need more checks

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:09 AM

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post-golem is a necessary check for the goal

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:09 AM

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but not before?

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 6:10 AM

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I don't understand the question

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:10 AM

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I mean, does it unblock any locations

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does it matter if I get it right now or a few days from now

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:10 AM

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I think it will give me one check or smth rn

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 6:10 AM

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It will unlock new checks, but right now I just want to finish the game

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:11 AM

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oh sorry I was asking about post-golem

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:11 AM

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Flitter's game is already released so it's basically only clear-purpose

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Post-golem only gives me 1 check directly iirc, but combined with post-plantera it is a necessary check

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:12 AM

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cool

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:19 AM

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legendary item for jayror

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color dungeon complete

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:21 AM

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Ladder for Ix

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 6:21 AM

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that just made my next Tunic session possible

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probably won't be today but thanks

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:25 AM

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saria's song for ootflitter

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level 6 complete

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the only items i could possibly get now are the angler key [at spirit temple twinrova heart], the nightmare key (tail cave) [at robbing the grave], and the honeycomb [at unknown]

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Oh thanks. I thought that was me who got it

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https://i.imgur.com/mxHTl3y.png

Imgur

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https://i.imgur.com/x9fxMig.png

Imgur

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No rainbow bridge because I have no light arrows

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I guess I'll have to wait for Cap

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:31 AM

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honeycomb gives 1 check, nightmare key gives 1 check and an instrument, and the angler key gives a whole-ass dungeon

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i guess my bomb upgrade and progressive sword are still at large too, but i don't need them

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and honeycomb is only needed if something good is at bear cook

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 6:53 AM

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And there goes the Honeycomb

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lol

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:54 AM

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this means i have to 100% the checks to finish my game lol

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 6:54 AM

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Again?

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 6:56 AM

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well, i need to get the instruments and the ballad of the wind fish, which i also forgot about

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and those instruments are all the remaining checks, assuming i don't just ignore the honeycomb

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:00 AM

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If you can finish the game without it, it makes sense to beeline that, and once you have the game finished you can see if you feel like doing more game or not

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:00 AM

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well i might as well do the honeycomb, there's nothing else i can do right now

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all other checks left are in the way of my goal

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:05 AM

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That makes sense

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:08 AM

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I would like some rule against releasing before AT LEAST 85 or 80%. For me it would feel really bad if I'm waiting for someone and because they got lucky and beat their game early they just jump ship and give me everything at once instead of going through the intended way to progress together

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:08 AM

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I know Cap mentioned they could finish the game at 30-something, but was anyone seriously considering releasing that early?

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(ignoring people who become unable to play at all)

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:09 AM

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weary lagoon I would like some rule against releasing before AT LEAST 85 or 80%. For me it wo...

Sounds good to me!

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:09 AM

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Im just mentioning it because flitter said cap could release after beating the game if he wanted to

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and hes still in early 40s

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:11 AM

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I like to be as permissive and accommodating as I can in order to allow more people to participate without it being a burden, but if you feel strongly that this sort of rule is good to have, I'll implement it

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:12 AM

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while I do think it would be strange to release any of the games I've personally randomized at <50%, I'm not sure we need a rule about it since (ignoring user error/confusion) no one's going to do that unless they aren't having fun any more or reality won't let them play any more, and theoretically I could imagine a randomizer where finishing and releasing at a super low % is not a weird or bad way to play it

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:13 AM

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I'll just make it so release is on goal, and if anyone has to abandon the game, they can petition for it

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:14 AM

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fresh hill while I do think it would be strange to release any of the games I've personally...

Yeah, when I play randomizers on my own, my goal is to find the shortest pathway to the goal. When I play archipelago I enjoy finding checks for others so I beeline the goal but do not release until I'm done

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:15 AM

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LOL the bear cook gave me 5 rupees for arti

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:15 AM

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thanks

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jay said he was going to get the mirror shield so I can get the anglers key when that happens

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:22 AM

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what's funny is that i'll need to 100% the checks so i have enough points to hint for the ballad of the wind fish

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:22 AM

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Unlock for @fresh hill

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:23 AM

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which should put Ixlily in go mode

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:25 AM

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JayROR sent Small Key Ring (Ganons Castle) to OoTFlitter (Abyssal Depths: Chest 2)

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:28 AM

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Mirror Shield for @weary lagoon

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lezgo

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:28 AM

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let's fuckin GOOOOOOO

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weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:28 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cartman-now-we-can-finally-play-the-game-gif-26486523

Tenor

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im almost done in shadow

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:32 AM

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Claim check for Arti

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:33 AM

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Piercing IV is considered progression, what for exactly?

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:33 AM

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minecraft

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:33 AM

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...yes, I mean for what checks

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:33 AM

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the sniper one maybe

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:33 AM

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i didnt know I was missing shadow boss key so good thing it was there

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:35 AM

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Arti found their Boss Key (Shadow Temple) (Shadow Temple Spike Walls Left Chest)

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What's in the manager's office?

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:35 AM

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Elka's Brain for Ixnaut

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:36 AM

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Oh, it was this Arti sent Piercing IV Book to CaptainMario (Shadow Temple Boss Key Chest)

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:37 AM

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wait

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Flitter, can you check my Psychonauts goal?

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:37 AM

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Yes

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Player 9: Ixnaut
Game:                            Psychonauts
Progression Balancing:           35
Accessibility:                   Items
Local Items:                     Dufflebag 1, Dufflebag 10, Dufflebag 2, Dufflebag 3, Dufflebag 4, Dufflebag 5, Dufflebag 6, Dufflebag 7, Dufflebag 8, Dufflebag 9, Hatbox 1, Hatbox 10, Hatbox 2, Hatbox 3, Hatbox 4, Hatbox 5, Hatbox 6, Hatbox 7, Hatbox 8, Hatbox 9, Purse 1, Purse 10, Purse 2, Purse 3, Purse 4, Purse 5, Purse 6, Purse 7, Purse 8, Purse 9, Steamertrunk 1, Steamertrunk 10, Steamertrunk 2, Steamertrunk 3, Steamertrunk 4, Steamertrunk 5, Steamertrunk 6, Steamertrunk 7, Steamertrunk 8, Steamertrunk 9, Suitcase 1, Suitcase 10, Suitcase 2, Suitcase 3, Suitcase 4, Suitcase 5, Suitcase 6, Suitcase 7, Suitcase 8, Suitcase 9
Not Local Items:                 
Start Inventory:                 
Start Hints:                     
Start Location Hints:            
Excluded Locations:              
Priority Locations:              
Item Links:                      
Start with Levitation:           Yes
Start with Mental Magnet:        Yes
Random Starting Minds:           1
Instant Death Mode:              No
Easy Milla Race:                 No
Easy Flight Mode:                No
Goal:                            Braintank
Brains Required:                 10
Require Meat Circus:             Yes```

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:38 AM

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so I did misremember that

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in which case it'll be easier to finish than I thought

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:39 AM

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Oh, dufflebags are local

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But dufflebag tags are not

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:39 AM

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Emotional Baggage in general is local, yeah

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baggage shuffle has a lot of odd aspects

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:40 AM

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Arti sent Gold Skulltula Token to OoTFlitter (ToT Light Arrows Cutscene)

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Thank you for my 90th gold skulltula

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:40 AM

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I have 92

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but only 15 hearts

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:42 AM

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And you need 18 for the rainbow bridge

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:44 AM

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I didn't even know that you can be transformed into this

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:45 AM

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Angler Key obtained

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 7:45 AM

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weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:54 AM

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hm

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my ganons boss key is supposed to be inside a dungeon

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but ive cleared all of them unless ice cavern counts

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 7:54 AM

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Ice cavern counts

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:55 AM

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oh i forgot a check in shadow

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ill just hint before going back

clear summit Apr 21, 2024, 7:55 AM

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Fishing Journal for Ixrec

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 7:55 AM

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looks like Ill need 3 more hearts to beat the game

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@fresh hill heres one of them

fresh hill Apr 21, 2024, 7:57 AM

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right at the end

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which is reachable now, whenever I play that slot next I'll likely get it

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I think 3 of my slots are in go mode and the 4th in "probably transitive go mode"

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:02 AM

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how did I miss a check in both spirit and shadow..

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 8:02 AM

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That's why I use the checklist tracker AP provides

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:07 AM

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which one is GS Hall After Sun Block Room ...

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 8:08 AM

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Go to the central room, take the child side upper door. That's the sun block room

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After it there's a gold skulltula hiding on the wall in the hallway

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:08 AM

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i thought i got that as child

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 8:09 AM

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You might have killed it but forgotten to collect

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:09 AM

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oh ye I killed it and saw that it was junk

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should have written that down

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im done with my game then, just have to wait for 3 hearts

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 8:14 AM

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level 4 complete

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i have exactly 1 check left, and i need the nightmare key from jay for it, and ballad of the wind fish to complete the game

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won't be able to hint the ballad until i finish the tail cave

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:18 AM

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very funny that minecraft and terraria have the same amount of total checks since they are the same game

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foreshadowing?

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 8:28 AM

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I don't understand

weary lagoon Apr 21, 2024, 8:29 AM

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i need 3 hearts and they were right below me all along

gaunt shell Apr 21, 2024, 8:30 AM

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what a coincidence

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I literally just got on manechat btw

midnight depot Apr 21, 2024, 8:31 AM

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Oh

gaunt shell Apr 21, 2024, 8:35 AM

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weary lagoon foreshadowing?

we just met today?

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oh lol I thought that was the full status. We just met today. you are?

cold valve Apr 21, 2024, 8:42 AM

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this is my entire remaining logic

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 2:51 AM

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Hello. Let's play OoT.

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No checks available

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 10:03 AM

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Let's test games I might play next month

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For that game I'm going to use harder settings since I know it well

📎 FlitterMS.yaml

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It works! https://i.imgur.com/EOBjm7n.png

Imgur

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 10:17 AM

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ah nice

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 10:21 AM

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I'm going to keep the settings in a state where they slow me down as much as reasonable to make a month long game more fun

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The game also has two pre-release updates which I might grab later since they fix async bugs

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 10:23 AM

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I'm probably going to drop to 1 game next month so I can redirect this time toward working on my AP mod again

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 10:25 AM

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That sounds fun

lament tusk Apr 22, 2024, 11:35 AM

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How's the game going btw?

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 11:36 AM

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my slots are in "mostly go mode", whenever I feel like another session, so hopefully most of us will be crossing the line sometime this week

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 11:37 AM

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I'm done with your game, and all my games but OoT

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OoT is waiting on CaptainMario

clear summit Apr 22, 2024, 11:39 AM

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I am done with ASH, technically done(goal completed, 10 checks left for 100%) with ROR, and waiting for a few more items with Terraria

lament tusk Apr 22, 2024, 11:40 AM

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I'm really sorry I bailed this time
Just lost any interest in playing out after losing hours of progress, and I was more busy than I realised this month

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I'll play something different next time, probably subnautica and raft

clear summit Apr 22, 2024, 11:41 AM

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I think I'll keep ASH, try Celeste 64, and maybe one more next month but idk

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 11:41 AM

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Don't worry about it

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I had a lot of fun taking over. Especially since I accidentally generated a hell seed on my main game

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 11:41 AM

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oh?

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 11:43 AM

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Very low progression balancing meant I constantly got stuck. Accessibility is set to minimal and overworld entrance randomizer meant that I regularly had to do reviews of the whole map to make sure I've done all I can.

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 11:43 AM

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oh geez

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yeah I would not want to combine low prog balance and minimal and ER

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 11:44 AM

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Next time around I'm making the whole YAML more random, fixing progression balancing and accessibility, making gold skulltula tokens local, adding hints for fun items that don't unlock any new checks, setting all shops, boss rewards and song locations to priority.

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And making sure the logic tricks section ONLY includes tricks I know about

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 12:34 PM

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shadow temple bongo bongo without projectiles

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...You can use projectiles against the boss?

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I just run at him and slash him with my sword

weary lagoon Apr 22, 2024, 12:57 PM

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Yeah I always shoot the hands and eye with my bow

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 12:57 PM

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I hit the eye with my sword to give me more time to attack it

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The hands don't give me time to aim my bow so I run at them

midnight depot Apr 22, 2024, 1:55 PM

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I'm finally done refining my OoT Yaml for next month

📎 FlitterOoT.yaml

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 3:23 PM

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AP 0.4.6 is out, which is mostly bugfixes but might as well update sometime before the May game

weary lagoon Apr 22, 2024, 3:44 PM

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ive been looking at Paper Mario for may

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Yahoo

lament tusk Apr 22, 2024, 4:52 PM

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paper mario has an archipelago rando?

fresh hill Apr 22, 2024, 4:53 PM

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there are a lot of unsupported but playable AP mods

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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lament tusk paper mario has an archipelago rando?

64, thousand year door and super paper Mario are in development in the archipelago discord server. Of those, 64 is marked playable, thousand year door has a GitHub page which means it might be playable too

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 1:24 AM

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Considering you were on 0.4.4, 0.4.5 adds a few games to the supported pool of games, so upgrading to 0.4.6 would include that as well

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 1:26 AM

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I don't care about whether a game is supported or not. Unsupported games are welcome too if you can reasonably assume they won't be trouble

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That being said I will update the game to 0.4.6 anyway

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But it's too early to think about that because we're a week away and still less than half of the games are done

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https://i.imgur.com/GTjhj2A.png

Imgur

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 2:26 AM

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Just for fun, I went ahead and did all possible checks in my OoT game, even though I accidentally released them earlier.

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 4:08 AM

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I need kratta to either play more or release

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To progress

cold valve Apr 23, 2024, 4:08 AM

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my one item is in late terraria

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 4:28 AM

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Time to set up another YAML for next month's games

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For my third game I'll take a short hike with help everyone as a goal

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📎 message.txt

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 4:46 AM

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For my last game I'll be playing an easy set of A Link to the Past settings

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The goals of the LttP YAML will be to have a game go long, but not block me anywhere, and otherwise be pretty random

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Are there any checks I should exclude?

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Or at least, do an automatic location hint so I won't put them off for too long because they're annoying?

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 10:58 AM

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Im waiting for anyone under 100% checks to find me hearts.

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 1:22 PM

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Time to test out ALttP. I'll probably need a different file than Zelda no Densetsu - Kamigami no Triforce (Japan)

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 1:22 PM

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is LTTP AP still JP only

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 1:22 PM

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I'm about to find out

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 1:26 PM

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weary lagoon is LTTP AP still JP only

Apparently yes

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 1:26 PM

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so whack

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 2:12 PM

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Okay, note to self

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Starting with no sword is way more miserable than in OoT.

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 2:29 PM

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@wet field will you keep playing OoT for this month until 100%? Is there something blocking your progress?

wet field Apr 23, 2024, 2:31 PM

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I will keep playing for now. There's nothing strictly blocking me, but I need to find the shadow medallion iirc to get the rainbow bridge to appear so that I can reach the water temple and get your item

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 2:31 PM

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flutterthumb

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Rom is blocked by my progress which requires that specific item so I was wondering

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 2:31 PM

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Here are your settings

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📎 message.txt

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Rainbow Bridge Requirement: Vanilla

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So you need your light arrows, shadow medallion and light medallion, I think

wet field Apr 23, 2024, 2:33 PM

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Yeah I have light arrows and I'm pretty sure I have the spirit medallion

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Oh wait it's light medallion?

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Let me make sure

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Shadow and spirit medallions

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Rainbow bridge - Shadow Medallion, Spirit Medallion, and Light Arrow in inventory

wet field Apr 23, 2024, 2:35 PM

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Yeah so I just need the shadow medallion

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Having the boomerang would help because then I could beat 2 more bosses

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And forest temple small key, if Ixrec hasn't found that yet

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 2:36 PM

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hmm

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I'm gonna do some Sudoku to see if I have anything else significant

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ah wait only 10 checks left for RoR, I'll just go do !remaining

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Doesn't seem to be very impactful

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Meh, I'll just release them

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They are mostly Scavenger checks and will take too long for me to get all of them

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No progression item anyway

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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Well done anyway

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 2:39 PM

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gotta see if I have anything significant in Terraria with Sudoku, it's hard BK rn so I can't grab anything

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[Hint]: Ixfox's Ladders near Weathervane is at Everscream in JayTRR's World. (not found)

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:03 PM

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@fresh hill Any reccommendations on settings for ALttP?

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Here's my YAML so far

📎 FlitterLttP.yaml

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Also for reference, an old YAML you've used #1119170161518334004 message

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How hard is inverted mode? It starts me in the dark world and requires pearl to go to the regular world

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(you're still link in the dark world)

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What's "Open Pyramid" anyway? The description didn't tell me enough. I don't know what to set it to.

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 3:05 PM

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I only played LttP once and remember nothing about the settings, sorry

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:06 PM

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No worries. Sorry for bothering you

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I just figured I'd ask if anything struck you as especially frustrating that you wanted to change

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 3:07 PM

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nothing jumps to mind

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the main issue I had was that a few of the dungeons really suck without keyrings, but iirc there's no keyring option for LttP anyway

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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I'm making small keys universal

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That way, I can stock up on small keys until I have enough for a dungeon

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 3:08 PM

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neat

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:09 PM

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It also adds a place you can buy keys from if you get stuck

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 3:10 PM

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While you're here, how important is "Ladders near Weathervane"?

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 3:10 PM

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iirc, not at all, a different ladder got me to the same places from the other direction

clear summit Apr 23, 2024, 3:12 PM

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I se

cold valve Apr 23, 2024, 3:13 PM

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midnight depot <@283037539755884554> Any reccommendations on settings for ALttP?

@dawn wigeon can probably help, he's been adjusting LttP settings for his wife a lot the past couple weeks

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:13 PM

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Great!

cold valve Apr 23, 2024, 3:13 PM

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We played a "short" game on Sunday

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3 hours

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My LADX goal was only 4 instruments

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Three hours is a fine length for a synchronized game provided you all beeline the goal and have a moderate amount of experience with the randomizer

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Hmm if I were to do LTTP for an async I'd start with the following:

📎 Dessyreqt-LTTP-long.yaml

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We were aiming for 1 hour lol

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My wife and I have taken about that much time with the settings we had prior, but she lowered her percentage of extra triforce pieces so that made things a little longer

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:35 PM

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Wow, so organized

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Thanks for the advice. This seems similar to what I started with, except I'm fine with boss shuffle and with starting until I have a bomb upgrade

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:38 PM

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I haven't decided what I want to do yet, but I will definitely have SMZ3 in there

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boss shuffle is w/e you're going to be doing dungeons out of order anyway and the bosses in LTTP are for the most part pretty easy

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:40 PM

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Yeah

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:40 PM

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The only real tough boss is the one that won't be shuffled 😄

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 3:40 PM

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Moldorm

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:41 PM

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lol

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moldorm is a luck fight more than a skill fight, but you're never really in danger

cold valve Apr 23, 2024, 3:41 PM

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How hard is RCT2 in AP?

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:41 PM

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You can make boss shuffle change the two moldorms into one moldorm and one other boss

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Moldorm is so scary Rom still hasn't fought him in the April game

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:42 PM

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cold valve How hard is RCT2 in AP?

Harder than normal scenarios, depending on your settings

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But since there's no way to lose the game you can just keep playing until you win

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I have it set up so the game takes me about ten hours over the course of the month

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If you haven't played RCT2 in a while I recommend easier settings than what I used

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:46 PM

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But yeah I think of boss shuffle as kind of a timewaster like pot shuffle. All it does is add hidden requirements you can't know going into a dungeon

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 3:46 PM

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That's exactly what I want in a month long async.

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Thanks for the advice

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 3:52 PM

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Yeah that's fair.

lament tusk Apr 23, 2024, 3:53 PM

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dawn wigeon But yeah I think of boss shuffle as kind of a timewaster like pot shuffle. All i...

thats.... literally the point of a rando

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 4:09 PM

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The point of the rando is to enjoy a game you already like under different circumstances. I mean you can shuffle up everything no logic and just go, but is that going to be a fun experience? Depends on the person. I prefer to play under the premise: "given this set of items that I have randomly received, what is the next best course of action?" There will obviously be an element of discovery and risk to most decisions in a rando but there are certain classes of changes that take away the importance of the decisions you make, and you're just wandering around doing stuff thoughtlessly until the game is over

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Basically I like to think of each seed as a new puzzle to solve, but puzzles require having information

lament tusk Apr 23, 2024, 4:12 PM

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ah yes, i apologize. that is generally how i think about things too, but depending on my mood i would consider not know what boss or what temple im going into, part of the challenge
the rando usually accommodates that anyway

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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It is a little different in an async I'd imagine since you're probably going to BK every couple of days and that means you're probably just going to check every node at every point, versus racing the same seed or trying to get your game done in under 2 hours or w/e

lament tusk Apr 23, 2024, 4:14 PM

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indeed

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async is significantly slower

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but thats fine

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 4:15 PM

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Given I haven't been playing asyncs that's the tack I've been taking with it

lament tusk Apr 23, 2024, 4:15 PM

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its mostly just an excuse to play games in a new way with friends i different timezones anyway

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 5:40 PM

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yeah, there's a big difference between boss shuffle in a game where you can technically beat any of them with a pointy stick, and boss shuffle in a game where each of them are invincible without their corresponding hard counter item

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some Zeldas are very much the latter and I would not want to boss shuffle those

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 5:42 PM

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Boss shuffle works great in OoT even though many of the bosses are immune or much more difficult to fight without the dungeon items

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 5:42 PM

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not revisiting dungeons over and over is why I like keyring

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 5:42 PM

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do all the OoT dungeons make it easy to reach the boss room without redoing the whole rest of the dungeon?

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

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yes

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

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Kinda. A lot of them have shortcuts you can unlock

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

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(all)

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 5:43 PM

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two dungeons in LttP basically hard require a total redo every time you revisit them

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 5:44 PM

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Sounds like a pain

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I'm glad I primarily play the most modern Zelda game that exists

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 5:44 PM

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flitter play wind waker in may

midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 5:46 PM

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I will never play Wind Waker because I hate how it looks so much

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 5:46 PM

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cmon..

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midnight depot Apr 23, 2024, 5:48 PM

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Sorry, I've already made it core to my identity

wet field Apr 23, 2024, 5:54 PM

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weary lagoon cmon..

That's what I'm sayin

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 6:12 PM

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kratta are you gonna play wind waker in may

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they dont call it wind waker may for nothing

wet field Apr 23, 2024, 6:35 PM

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No

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If I'm gonna replay WW I'd want it to be unrandomized first

cold valve Apr 23, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Just let me sail around the ocean in a world with no peahats

dawn wigeon Apr 23, 2024, 8:33 PM

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midnight depot What's "Open Pyramid" anyway? The description didn't tell me enough. I don't kno...

BTW Open Pyramid means the hole at the top of the pyramid is always there, even if you can't kill Ganon yet

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Ixbird (Team #1) has completed their goal.

weary lagoon Apr 23, 2024, 9:05 PM

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did you find any hearts for me

fresh hill Apr 23, 2024, 9:06 PM

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nah, there was only one check left in that slot and it was one of my own filler items

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 1:01 PM

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Hi. Let's play OoT

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No new checks

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I guess I have to wait for CaptainMario to get back and find me my light arrows at This Boat Has Legs

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 1:36 PM

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I'll probably try to complete a 2nd slot today, maybe more Tunic too (I forget how much of that is open)

shy oyster Apr 24, 2024, 1:42 PM

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midnight depot I guess I have to wait for CaptainMario to get back and find me my light arrows ...

i will be home in 2 hours

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 3:42 PM

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thats now!

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Very observant

shy oyster Apr 24, 2024, 4:10 PM

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midnight depot Very observant

got your light arrows :D

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i think im gonna fight the dragon now

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 4:10 PM

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if you lock in you can do anything

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your fate is predetermined, your actions impact nothing

shy oyster Apr 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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thank you Artiks 🙏

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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if you put in effort, you can achieve anything

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 4:26 PM

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Wonderful. Thank you

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Let's play OoT

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With the light arrows the rainbow bridge finally forms https://i.imgur.com/RxVhjtA.png

Imgur

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What an annoying seed

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It wants me to do ice, shadow and fire trials

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Those are the most annoying ones

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So with that knowledge in mind, it's armos skip time

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https://i.imgur.com/BaZwUPe.png

Imgur

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I know

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OoTFlitter (Team #1) has completed their goal.

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Good game. Thank you so much for playing with me

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We're now at 10/16 games done

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 5:04 PM

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did you get any hearts for me

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:05 PM

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Yes

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OoTFlitter sent Heart Container to Arti (DMC Great Fairy Reward)

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(None this session because I accidentally released all my items earlier)

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After Captainmario beat the ender dragon, you got this

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CaptainMario sent Heart Container to Arti (Great View From Up Here)

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:11 PM

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let's play Ender Lilies

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does Artiks still need the Card Key?

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Yes

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:12 PM

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cool

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not sure if I'll 100% this slot yet, but my immediate goal is to clear Witch's Thicket and then do a sweep of Verboten Domain

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the only unreachable check left is the true ending

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looks like my only hinted items are Artiks' stuff in VD

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Ixlily sent Post-Moon Lord to JayTRR (Witch's Thicket 15 - Dark Witch Eleine)
does that matter?

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:25 PM

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Not sure.

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:26 PM

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that might have been important... once

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:27 PM

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It would've been important if I had the ability to go to spirit temple

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But I lack the song to warp there and it's actually out of the entrance randomizer graph

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This seed had three graphs. Main graph with most areas, second graph with sacred forest meadow and zora's fountain, and a third graph with the desert colossus and Lon Lon ranch

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Without the requiem of spirit, the third graph is completely inaccessible. I had all the other warp songs

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The fact that the randomizer is even allowed to do that is awful

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:32 PM

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wait, is that possibility not implied by combining ER with minimal?

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:32 PM

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No, it's possible to reach that area

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It's only possible through warp songs, and since you can warp from anywhere, this warrants a special kind of connection on the mental graph, unlike the other ones

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:34 PM

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@weary lagoon

Ixlily sent Card Key to Artipkmn (Verboten Domain 04 - Verboten Champion)

clear summit Apr 24, 2024, 5:37 PM

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fresh hill > Ixlily sent Post-Moon Lord to JayTRR (Witch's Thicket 15 - Dark Witch Eleine) ...

No, it does almost nothing

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Since it is the final boss, vanilla terraria before 1.4.4 changes nothing after Moon Lord has been beaten I think

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some mods react with it, and shimmer added in 1.4.4 have some post-Moon Lord specific stuff

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Probably in future when the randomizer start supporting 1.4.4 it will be kinda useful, and if it supports calamity mod it will count as a progression item

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For now it does quite literally nothing

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Which means I am still stuck at the exact same spot

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You do own an item related to my progression still, although I am unsure if you can access it

Ixfox JayTRR Post-Golem Cathedral - [1F] Near Spikes TUNIC Vanilla

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:40 PM

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Calamity Support is in beta and you can try it right now

clear summit Apr 24, 2024, 5:41 PM

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actually, I was thinking about trying RCT for

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May

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:41 PM

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Sounds fun

clear summit Apr 24, 2024, 5:41 PM

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I will think a bit and decide if I want to go with calamity or RCT

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one of those + ASH and Celeste 64 will be my May games

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:46 PM

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@cold valve FEESH

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all right, made it to the Abyss-guarding boss, should have Artiks' heart and final boss access soon

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 5:51 PM

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Thanks! Now i just need the nightmare key

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 5:51 PM

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clear summit You do own an item related to my progression still, although I am unsure if you ...

Which i believe needs this

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:54 PM

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clear summit You do own an item related to my progression still, although I am unsure if you ...

UT says I cannot

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I think that one's blocked on Hero's Laurels, which I think I must've hinted the other day

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Ixfox Ixfox Hero's Laurels Beneath the Well - [Second Room] Underwater Chest

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oh

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ok so that's waiting on my Well ladder

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Ixfox Ixfox Ladders in Well East Forest - Near Telescope

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which is waiting on east forest ladder...

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JayROR Ixfox Ladder to East Forest Sundered Grove: Shrine 1

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ok finally it's not me

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@weary lagoon

Ixlily sent Heart Container to Arti (The Abyss 01 - Silva's Blight-Stained Note 1)

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 5:58 PM

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Only one more

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 5:59 PM

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clear summit I got my Abyssal Depths and Sundered Grove, those should hold a lot of checks

okay Jay does have that

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so that's probably our final chain right there: Jay gets my ladder, I do a bunch of fox stuff to get Jay's Post-Golem, Jay gets Rom's Nightmare Key

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final boss time

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 6:09 PM

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Break every leg

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 6:13 PM

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Ixlily (Team #1) has completed their goal.

all right, ending B achieved

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at "only" 83.5%, so there's still a decent amount I could do, especially if someone's item is hiding here

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 6:17 PM

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fresh hill > Ixfox Ixfox Ladders in Well East Forest - Near Telescope

I'm dumb, this is already reachable

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so I'll do some Tunic next time

midnight depot Apr 24, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Well done

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 6:18 PM

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I do have a progressive sword at large somewhere

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But it is super not needed

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 6:35 PM

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card key is good

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now I can 100% crystal

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and get krattas boomer(ang)

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:04 PM

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the team rocket hideout have no idea whats coming for them

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krøts booomer

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and thats everything in crystal

wet field Apr 24, 2024, 7:20 PM

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Heckin schweet

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:20 PM

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lets see how oots doing

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17 hearts

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I need 2 pieces or 1 container

fresh hill Apr 24, 2024, 7:23 PM

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have you already spent all your oot hints?

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:23 PM

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yassss

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but the fact that I need 18/20 hearts means there are many ways to get that remaining one

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 7:24 PM

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What do you need the hearts for?

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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18 hearts opens the rainbow bridge

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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Oh is that a randomizer thing

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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yeah I set the rainbow bridge requirement to random

cold valve Apr 24, 2024, 7:25 PM

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I see

weary lagoon Apr 24, 2024, 7:27 PM

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doesnt look like it was mentioned but captainmario released half their checks so im sure other people got some important stuff

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Wow breaking news

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OOTMM now allows you to only play MM or OoT

midnight depot Apr 25, 2024, 6:11 AM

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Good morning. We're at 11/16 completed games, with 1231 checks out of 1409 done in the remaining games, or 87%

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I was looking over the changes in 0.4.6 https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/pull/3179 is Silently fix invalid yaml option for Toggles. It seems super convenient, but for my use case where I run an async game every month and review every YAML, I think I'd rather it just give me the error and expect me to fix it myself.

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Other relevant changes:

Add progressive stages/require stage options

   Hollow Knight
Adding Godhome Goal Logic

   Link's Awakening DX
Add "boots controls" option

   Terraria
Add fishing crate logic```

midnight depot Apr 25, 2024, 3:30 PM

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=8etiSYO0Xak&si=obV4bZseQVpZkS9A

YouTube

bliny

bomb damage clip into light trial setup

Chu setup: https://youtu.be/hAvwPxoh0Cs

Clip originally found by exodus: https://youtu.be/wJji0TLQ1EU
but since it was so precise it did not have a fully consistent setup until now.

▶ Play video

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This clip is particularly high value because light trial has like seven checks inside, and they require all four strengths to access

weary lagoon Apr 25, 2024, 3:33 PM

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all three

midnight depot Apr 25, 2024, 3:34 PM

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All three strengths to access

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(I started counting at no strength)

fresh hill Apr 25, 2024, 7:12 PM

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let's play Tunic

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found the first local ladder I need, but I'll clear this whole area first since this slot has so much left in it

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East Forest BK'd, on to the Well

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actually

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I have the urge now to try the final boss without hero's laurels, that's something I've never done before

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ok I remember why no one ever does this now

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back to the well

fresh hill Apr 25, 2024, 7:56 PM

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now the Cathedral, I believe this is where other people's hinted items were

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@clear summit

Ixfox sent Post-Golem to JayTRR (Cathedral - [1F] Near Spikes)

fresh hill Apr 25, 2024, 8:16 PM

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Ixfox (Team #1) has completed their goal.

fresh hill Apr 25, 2024, 8:47 PM

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and

Ixnaut (Team #1) has completed their goal.
so that's all of my slots done

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may or may not try to get closer to 100% on some of these later

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but none of the unfound hinted items are in my worlds (except one of my own which I no longer need)

weary lagoon Apr 25, 2024, 9:18 PM

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you might have hearts for me 🙂

cold valve Apr 25, 2024, 10:37 PM

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thanks for bombs upgrade

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:45 AM

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This leaves us with three games that remain to be completed, and seven that still have checks https://i.imgur.com/w7WQNx7.png

Imgur

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:48 AM

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Somehow all three are stuck

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cadancewheeze

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 7:44 AM

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hm... Ixlily and Ixfox both have 2 Heart Containers in !remaining, Ixfox also has a "Piece of Heart" and a "Heart Piece"

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there's no way to know which of those are for Artiks, right?

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those slots have 55 and 61 locations left, so it's not like either is significantly more "heart-dense" than the other

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too bad I can't spent hint points to ask "whose Heart Container is in my world"

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also, does anyone need a "Boss Key (Water Temple)"? that's the only important-looking item left in my Psychonauts slot

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 7:53 AM

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There is no way, but

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I can just look it up in the spoiler log for you in exchange for a hint point that you spend on nothing of value

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 7:53 AM

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my thoughts exactly

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Ixlily has enough for 5 hints, Ixfox for 1 hint

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 7:54 AM

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Water temple boss key is a safe bet as far as progression items go. Depending on settings it can be either essential or just important to have

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 7:55 AM

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so I throw away 2 Ixlily hints and you look up where both of those Heart Containers are? would be nice to only need to run around one slot to unblock Artiks

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 7:56 AM

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Yes!

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Let me go over the spoiler log and the regular log and see which heart containers you have left and for who.

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In Ixlily, it looks like you have two heart containers left uncollected. For Artiks and for me.

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krøt sent Boat Hire to RCTFlitter (Shadow Temple Bongo Bongo Heart)

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:00 AM

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ok, does Ixfox have another of Artiks'?

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:00 AM

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"Heart Piece" is a Link's Awakening item

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:01 AM

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actually they said they needed at least 2 right

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:01 AM

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Or three

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Oh wow, Ixfox only has two heart containers in total

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:01 AM

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lol

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:02 AM

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Neither are for Artiks

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:02 AM

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welp

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throw away 1 Ixlily hint then? might as well get the one

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:03 AM

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Sure

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:03 AM

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thrown away

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:04 AM

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It is at ||The Abyss 04 - Upper Stagnant Blight x100||

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:04 AM

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and that is why I didn't want to start looking without a hint lol

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that is maybe the last place I would've checked normally

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:06 AM

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krøt sent Item Scrap, White to JayROR (ToT Light Arrows Cutscene)

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Light arrow cutscene

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That's one of the requirements for the rainbow bridge

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:17 AM

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ok finished my immediate chores

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oh that's even the ||upper|| one so I can screw up the room and still get it

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this should be quick

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@weary lagoon

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and I did not screw up the room

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the single most heavily guarded location in the entire game is... well what else could it have possibly been rdwut

wet field Apr 26, 2024, 8:23 AM

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FeelsTokenMan

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:23 AM

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guess I might as well hint my last true ending key while I'm here

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oh AP says they're all found

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brb reporting a bug

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 8:26 AM

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krøt found their Bolero of Fire (GC Medigoron) big

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:32 AM

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now let's see if I can find that water boss key

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hopefully I have enough emotional baggage tags for this

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oh right those are locked to be only the rank up items so those locations definitely aren't it

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which means the number of unchecked locations that could have this is very very small

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 8:55 AM

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@wet field

Ixnaut sent Boss Key (Water Temple) to krøt ((BBA2) Trapeze Cobweb)

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I believe that's everything I can do

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 12:35 PM

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thanks for the heart container

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now I can summon the rainbow bridge and save the princess

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 12:36 PM

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oh that was your last one?

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I thought you needed at least 2 more

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 12:45 PM

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2 heart pieces or 1 container

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 1:01 PM

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ooooh

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 1:18 PM

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I wonder what the lone remaining item in my world is. Am i truly the end of The Chain? Or am i merely unlocking something else important

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Watch it be my own progressive sword

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:22 PM

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Game complete

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everything left in my game now are hinted junk and shop junk

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but im gonna do !remaining in case I missed something in a shop..

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looks like junk to me

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Was Rom able to hint ballad of the wind fish

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 1:28 PM

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fresh hill <@221742476153716736> FEESH

^

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:28 PM

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cold valve I wonder what the lone remaining item in my world is. Am i truly the end of The ...

One thing I can tell is that I will finish my terraria before you finish LADX

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Which means that your game is the last

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:29 PM

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For May I am looking at OoT, Wind Waker and Paper Mario, but it might be a bit much

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 1:30 PM

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I can't make up my mind what to play because I want to do more mod development, but how much more

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:30 PM

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I think I'm going for ASH, C64, and RCT

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For that I have to learn about RCT setup from Flitter

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:30 PM

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weary lagoon For May I am looking at OoT, Wind Waker and Paper Mario, but it might be a bit m...

It does depend on how much time you have

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:31 PM

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I'll probably want to get some qol plugins for RCT

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like park rating check

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:31 PM

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clear summit For that I have to learn about RCT setup from Flitter

Rollercoaster Tycoon setup is simple. Start by having a working OpenRCT2 installation

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:31 PM

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auto-price setting is a bit cheaty but I may, since from what I've seen RCT randomizer can be tedious

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:32 PM

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Auto price is fine for balance as long as you set up an appropriate tax

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:32 PM

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I have my OpenRCT2 and RCT1/2 ready

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:32 PM

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Imagine we made May OoTMMay though..

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:32 PM

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Optional: Grab this scenario if you want a scenario with all rides https://github.com/Crazycolbster/rollercoaster-tycoon-randomizer/tree/General_Killmore/src

GitHub

rollercoaster-tycoon-randomizer/src at General_Killmore · Crazycolb...

RollerCoaster Tycoon Randomizer mod for RCT1 and RCT2 inside of OpenRCT2 - Crazycolbster/rollercoaster-tycoon-randomizer

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:32 PM

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they even let you exclude one of the games now if you dont want the whole behemoth

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:33 PM

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You can follow https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V8LpYx22jcInNGSt6AXOIyuFwzx3Xn0oSMumrnsbqfE/edit for installation instructions.

Google Docs

OpenRCT2 AP Setup Guide

OpenRCT2 AP Setup Guide for Windows

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:33 PM

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weary lagoon they even let you exclude one of the games now if you dont want the whole behemo...

Isn't that just like, OoT randomizer/MM randomizer then

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:34 PM

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No, it has more features

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:34 PM

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oic

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:34 PM

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Like, you can play only MM, but also add OoT items and songs to it

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:35 PM

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ootmm devs are better than oot and mm rando devs

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so many good features

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:35 PM

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Notes for OpenRCT2:
1- You definitely want to run a test game before joining an async. Getting the client to connect the first time can be a pain.
2- It's in active development so make sure to grab the newest version.

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:37 PM

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You’re going to download the “openrct2.apworld” that is located in the “worlds” folder

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the what folder

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:39 PM

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Wrong github repository

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:39 PM

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oh

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:39 PM

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This one is the archipelago one https://github.com/Crazycolbster/Archipelago/tree/General_Killmore

GitHub

GitHub - Crazycolbster/Archipelago at General_Killmore

Archipelago Multi-Game Randomizer and Server- OpenRCT2 Support - GitHub - Crazycolbster/Archipelago at General_Killmore

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The randomizer hooks into archipelago but they're independent

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Game <-> Randomizer Plugin <-> Archipelago Client

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:40 PM

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I need to try an enjoyable hollow knight run too (being able to attack)

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:41 PM

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Oh yeah

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Hollow Knight has new settings now

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:41 PM

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Oh wait I should update Archi

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:41 PM

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It sucks that you didn't have fun last time

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:42 PM

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the last 10% when I could play the game were fun

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:48 PM

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Hm

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Is there any specific setting I have to care about, Flitter?

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:50 PM

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Yes

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Most important setting is which scenario you're going to pick

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:50 PM

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There are so many things in this yaml

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:50 PM

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Use American localization for scenario names

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Once you pick a scenario, you can then think about the other options

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:51 PM

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hmm

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I probably wanna pick a relatively chill scenario

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Definitely not like

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Harmonic Hills

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:52 PM

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The stat requirements like shop_maximum_excitement: can be set to values that are impossible

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:52 PM

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More like Forest Frontiers or Evergreen Gardens

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:52 PM

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So don't go ham with the difficulty here

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:52 PM

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Evergreen Gardens seems like a decent choice

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It's a reasonably sized park

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 1:54 PM

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weary lagoon I need to try an enjoyable hollow knight run too (being able to attack)

yeah, I tried nail shuffle once and it's really not for me

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:55 PM

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Things to keep in mind when choosing a scenario:
1- Does it have a lot of tree? If so, forbid_tree_removal will make it a lot harder.
2- Is the landscape wonky? Combining forbid_high_construction with forbid_landscape_changes with a landscape that is not flat will make it impossible to proceed until others find the items that allow you to build high or change landscape.

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3- In a park with limited space, monopoly_mode is a lot of fun because you can slowly expand the park as you make money. It allows you to buy the whole map instead of whatever the scenario has

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:55 PM

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is the only way to update AP to do a complete reinstall

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:56 PM

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Evergreen Garden is a fairly easy map so I think none of the options would block me too much, and monopoly mode seems interesting so I will try

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:56 PM

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weary lagoon is the only way to update AP to do a complete reinstall

No, just install AP on top of the old version. No need to get rid of the old version

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 1:56 PM

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Thanks Flitter

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youre always so helpful on fluttershy day

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:56 PM

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EG already gives you a large land to deal with, but with monopoly I will have to buy even more lol

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The only issue can be the fact that it has trees, but that would be a decent compromise as the map is generally one of the easiest

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:57 PM

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Yeah

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:58 PM

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I like it since it is a very chill scenario to slowly expand

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I like no-stress gaming

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:58 PM

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4- The most relevant options for difficulty, other than the forbid x options is the roller_coaster_objective

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In Archipelago every scenario is chill as long as you start with no loan

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You have infinite time to make money and finetune the park

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 1:59 PM

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I think for May I will mostly stick with default settings

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 1:59 PM

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So, even the "really difficult" scenarios from the base game are very fine

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You should set scenario_length to marathon or at least lengthy

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Default settings are way too short

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:00 PM

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Marathon it is then

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I have played a fair amount of RCT so it may be not super hard, but if that's the case I can adjust it like for June

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:01 PM

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hey flitter lets do a test game with paper mario

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:01 PM

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Sure!

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Send me the APworld file and the YAML

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:02 PM

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ok I have to figure everything out first

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:02 PM

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Which Paper Mario? https://i.imgur.com/fkgThuH.png

Imgur

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:03 PM

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64

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:03 PM

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Hopefully this is good

📎 JayRCT.yaml

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Oh wow C64 is

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small

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It has only 30 checks cadancewheeze

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📎 JayCEL.yaml

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:05 PM

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It is a small game

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:05 PM

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And its yaml file is only 244 Bytes

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 2:06 PM

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iirc it's also the record for shortest time between a game's release and its AP implementation

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:06 PM

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weary lagoon 64

Okay, I have the 0.2.4 apworld so I only need your YAML file

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:07 PM

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Wait I can have 20 Silver Feathers?

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What even happens

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Do I fly infinitely

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:08 PM

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You shoot up super fast

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You can climb hawk peak with a single jump

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:09 PM

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cadancewheeze

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ngl I do want to see it

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But it will probably make the game too stupid

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:10 PM

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You can plando your silver feathers to be after your goal is met

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:11 PM

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Nah, I'll just leave them alone

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I'll change the goal to Help Everyone and that's it

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📎 JayASH_1.yaml

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I bumped up filler coin a little bit because I don't want tuition check to be too painful

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:14 PM

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You're gonna get tuition while you do fishing checks anyway

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 2:15 PM

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does Help Everyone actually require catching all fish?

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I don't see it in https://archipelago.gg/games/A Short Hike/info/en#which-characters-need-to-be-helped-for-the-help-everyone-goal?

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:18 PM

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📎 Paper_Mario_yaml.txt

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I dont know if I have to remove all his example settings

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so I figured id post it like it is before wasting my time doing that

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:19 PM

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You can keep them

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:19 PM

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alright alright lets give it a shot

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:19 PM

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fresh hill I don't see it in <https://archipelago.gg/games/A%20Short%20Hike/info/en#which-c...

Oh, it says help everyone, but you don't help the fish guy?

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I'll try generating a game that includes Paper Mario

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Oh I need the ROM to generate

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I thought Archipelago games no longer needed the ROM to patch

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:22 PM

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I just finished extracting the rom from my paper mario 64 cartridge if you want to borrow it

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 2:23 PM

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iiuc helping the fox is not a location but the fish location is not part of help everyone, both feel odd but oh well

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though help everyone is also "missing" buying out the visitor's center, playing beachstickball, etc

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gotta stop somewhere

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the fox one only feels weird to me because Help Everyone is almost a subset of 100% locations, except for that one guy

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:24 PM

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you are strong so try to help others

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:25 PM

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I have my own copy. I'll just grab it from my NAS

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 2:25 PM

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it's still a good goal because the fox thing amounts to "climb the mountain with a 6 feather handicap"

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Well helping fox is a goal by itself too right?

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The photo goal is helping fox

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 2:27 PM

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oh right, that's what that is

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I haven't even looked at the other goals since I made the yaml

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:34 PM

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Okay, let me try generating a game

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:36 PM

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Goddamnit

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I want that 45s achievement

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Test game is ready @weary lagoon

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https://archipelago.gg/room/fYuVHr52SuGVrIrC53RuJQ

Archipelago

Multiworld fYuVHr52SuGVrIrC53RuJQ

8 Players Multiworld
running on archipelago.gg with port 52989

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I also included Jay's YAMLs

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Thefuq

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:39 PM

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wow this is a lot of players hopefully I get my hammer fast

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:39 PM

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I can send it to you with admin commands

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:39 PM

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Im not sure how to start the game

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Obtain your .appm64 file from whoever is hosting the game.

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its like crystal

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:42 PM

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Here

📎 AP_86149108729586545652_P8_Paper_Arti.appm64

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:47 PM

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looks like its working

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:48 PM

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Great!

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I'm going to send you an item

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Sent double dip

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Did it work?

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:49 PM

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yes

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:50 PM

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Uhoh

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 2:52 PM

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What is April's terarria game still blocked by?

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:52 PM

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kratta holds my Post-plantera

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:54 PM

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Wonderful

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:55 PM

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clear summit

Flitter, any idea how to solve this?

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:55 PM

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No clue what's wrong

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It's supposed to show the archipelago icon

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Is your archipelago client open?

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Needs to be open and connected

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:56 PM

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midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:58 PM

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Okay. If you press the home button does it open the archipelago shop?

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:58 PM

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The what?

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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It's a window that shows you an archipelago client and items to buy

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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Flutter_thewhat

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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If not, try this version of the randomizer plugin

📎 rctrando.js

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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I don't think anything shows me the archipelago shop

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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It's the very newest

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 2:59 PM

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@midnight depot I changed some things for May game.

📎 Paper_Mario_yaml.txt

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:00 PM

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Noted

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:00 PM

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midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Great! Connect and click the archipelago button

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 3:01 PM

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I think i will take time this weekend and investigate undertale in the archipelago context

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:01 PM

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cold valve I think i will take time this weekend and investigate undertale in the archipela...

If you need any testing help do let me know

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Great I am connected

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:01 PM

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Excellent. That's all you need

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You might need to try several times to connect properly, especially in a big game

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Be patient and wait for it to connect. It can take several minutes

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But once it connects for the first time in an async, it will just work after that

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 3:03 PM

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Who was at the very end of The Chain last month?

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:03 PM

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We're still doing the April game

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Unless you mean March

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 3:03 PM

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I mean the March game

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I'm at the end of the April chain

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:04 PM

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ok cool, now time to check if C64 works

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:04 PM

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See here for details on the spoiler log and regular log #1119170161518334004 message

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And here for my reading of the spoiler log

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#1119170161518334004 message

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:05 PM

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My OoT was last to finish last month

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it usually is

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:06 PM

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I bet if your name was Zrtiks you'd finish first

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:06 PM

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THEY DONT CALL EM ZNGRY BIRDS

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:08 PM

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cold valve I'm at the end of the April chain

Also keep in mind the canonical playthrough in the spoiler log may differ significantly from the actual playthrough

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:08 PM

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Im probably last in the spoiler log because I needed freaking 18 hearts and had no ones progression after that

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Remember in December when rainbow bridge was 20 hearts ICANT

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Or maybe it was ganons boss key

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Might as well make it 100 skulltulas

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:11 PM

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that could happen

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i like to let rngesus decide

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:12 PM

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I have significant randomization in my OoT YAML, but I make sure it only generates things I can finish in a month

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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Now I'm glad that C64 only has 30 checks

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I can see that it can be a bit tedious

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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What is Celeste 64?

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Its not on the Nintendo 64

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:19 PM

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Celeste but it's 3d

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:20 PM

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It might not be a good fit for a month long async

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:20 PM

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Yeah but I'd see it more like as a side game

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:20 PM

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kinda how im planing to run Hogan's Castle

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:21 PM

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I'll have only 306 checks for next month

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So I'll be playing 3 games but I'll have less checks' than a single OoT

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:22 PM

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you can just barely fit all the gold skulltulas in your games

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:22 PM

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lol

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Imagine

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I get checks after checks

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:23 PM

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I'm making my gold skulltulas local

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:23 PM

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and all of them are gold skulltulas

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:23 PM

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I recommend you do either local gold skulltulas or linked items gold skulltulas

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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midnight depot Also keep in mind the canonical playthrough in the spoiler log may differ signif...

Oh, for April it was my understanding that everyone else had to basically finish their games in order to get my last item. I haven't looked at the spoiler log for april.

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Nor could you because I haven't shown it

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Once everyone finishes (Jay and you are left) I will release it

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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It's basically done

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I am eternally waiting kratta to get that one item

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and then I can instantly clear my game, and also give Rom the item

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So it's literally that one thing

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So unless kratta needs something to get it and that is in some weird spot

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We are quite literally one check away from the end

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krøt JayTRR Post-Plantera Water Temple MQ GS Before Upper Water Switch Ocarina of Time Ganons Castle Grounds -> Ganons Castle Lobby

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Which is this one

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:30 PM

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i dont know his settings but if its medallions for rainbow bridge he'll have to beat most of the other dungeons to enter

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:30 PM

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It's vanilla

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So you need shadow and spirit medallions plus light arrows

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Oh yeah I remember kratta talking about medallion

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shadow medallion

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Is what kratta needs

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:32 PM

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so he just has to go beat Gohma or Barinade

clear summit Apr 26, 2024, 3:33 PM

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That one medallion is the only thing between us and full clear

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It's the only thing blocking

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I think they should consider terraria as a more linear game when randomizing

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its boss progression seems to be quite randomly distributed

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:36 PM

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weary lagoon so he just has to go beat Gohma or Barinade

How do you know that?

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 3:44 PM

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cause he doesnt have boss items in his feed so they should be shuffled amongst each other like in my game

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Oh Kratta only has two left?

wet field Apr 26, 2024, 7:16 PM

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I already got the shadow medallion last night when I beat jabu jabus/bongo bongo

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Now I need to do some water temple, but I might need more small keys, we'll see

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 7:17 PM

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I don't think anyone has anything left to give; we're all waiting on you

fresh hill Apr 26, 2024, 7:29 PM

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I already found your water boss key

wet field Apr 26, 2024, 7:30 PM

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Yeah, unfortunately I'm not worried about that one 😛

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I've got a couple hints left, so it's no biggie either way

midnight depot Apr 26, 2024, 7:36 PM

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Instead of doing small keys

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You should do the stupid hover to boss

wet field Apr 26, 2024, 7:53 PM

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I don't need to kill the boss, I need to kill a certain gold skulltula

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Assassination

wet field Apr 26, 2024, 9:25 PM

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@clear summit ded

weary lagoon Apr 26, 2024, 9:27 PM

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LFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cold valve Apr 26, 2024, 9:40 PM

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It's happening!.gif

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 2:21 AM

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ccloudypog

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 2:43 AM

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@cold valve

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 2:44 AM

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level 1 complete

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that was a fun

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let's do it again

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thanks for playing with me

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 3:04 AM

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I forgot that I have to play a bit after go mode

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So I'm the last

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 4:10 AM

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And hereby I officially announce

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Our April Archipelago game

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is finished!

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Total All Games 16/16 Complete 4348/4559 95.37

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 5:03 AM

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weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:19 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/nezuko-kamado-nezuko-demon-slayer-nezuko-dance-nezuko-cute-gif-24181704

Tenor

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We won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I wonder where Rom died

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:21 AM

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i killed myself in the forest at the beginning hoping to respawn in town, because i was out of bombs and had no bush-cutter to get back out

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:22 AM

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did it work

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:22 AM

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nope, i had gone into a cave so i respawned there

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tuens out there's a "return home" option in the save menu that i never knew existed

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it sends you to marin's house

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:24 AM

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possibly a rando feature to prevent getting stuck without a sword

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:24 AM

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yep

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 6:27 AM

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makes sense, a bunch of randos need to add a warp-to-start feature if they want some kind of entrance rando or the game just has a lot of one-way stuff that'd be unrandomizable otherwise

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Iwata thought way ahead and always made OoT load you back in your home or temple of time when you save and quit outside of a dungeon

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 6:30 AM

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don't most of the early Zeldas do that? pretty sure LttP also reloaded at either spawn or dungeon entrance

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:33 AM

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OoT does send you back to a fixed location if you save warp, but almost all of the traversable areas are two-way

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 6:34 AM

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yeah, most "one-way" areas in Metroidvanias and Zeldas are only temporarily one-way until you get a certain item (but for rando purposes that's still a thing to consider)

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:35 AM

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cant wait for flitter to post the spoiler log thats gonna be so hype

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:35 AM

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I'll do that in a moment

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Thank you for joining me in the Manechat Archipelago for April 2024. We had sixteen games with eight (seven) players total.
Game link: https://archipelago.gg/room/cd_k42_2Ta-Gtfmia3V5Vg
Tracker Page: https://archipelago.gg/tracker/mF81PzY6QIy3Glj_WMhQIA

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Full log

📎 message.txt

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Spoiler log

📎 message.txt

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 6:48 AM

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for some reason I expected more than 30 spheres in a multiworld this size

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oh right, our ASHs being mostly sphere 1 really skews the spoiler playthrough

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 6:50 AM

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Somehow

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Post-plantera was sphere 17

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:51 AM

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The playthrough had 30 spheres. In reverse order from last to first, the playthrough file expected JayTRR, Arti, Dr. Romulus, ArtiPKMN, Meganoot, OoTFlitter, RCTFlitter, Ixfox, Ixnaut, Ixbird, krøt, Captain Mario, JayASH, Ixlily, JayROR, and FlitterASH to finish first.

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Oh I'm missing four

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 6:51 AM

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Lost to Terraria... I'm so mad

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 6:52 AM

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Victory (RCTFlitter)
Menu -> Menu -> Unlock Shop
=> Unlock Shop -> Unlock Shop -> OpenRCT2_Level_0
=> OpenRCT2_Level_0 -> OpenRCT2_Level_0 -> OpenRCT2_Level_1
=> OpenRCT2_Level_1 -> OpenRCT2_Level_1 -> OpenRCT2_Level_2
=> OpenRCT2_Level_2 -> OpenRCT2_Level_2 -> OpenRCT2_Level_3
=> OpenRCT2_Level_3 -> OpenRCT2_Level_3 -> OpenRCT2_Level_4
=> OpenRCT2_Level_4 -> OpenRCT2_Level_4 -> OpenRCT2_Level_5
=> OpenRCT2_Level_5 -> OpenRCT2_Level_5 -> OpenRCT2_Level_6
=> OpenRCT2_Level_6 -> OpenRCT2_Level_6 -> OpenRCT2_Level_7
=> OpenRCT2_Level_7 -> OpenRCT2_Level_7 -> OpenRCT2_Level_8
=> OpenRCT2_Level_8 -> OpenRCT2_Level_8 -> OpenRCT2_Level_9
=> OpenRCT2_Level_9 -> OpenRCT2_Level_9 -> OpenRCT2_Level_10
=> OpenRCT2_Level_10 -> OpenRCT2_Level_10 -> OpenRCT2_Level_11
=> OpenRCT2_Level_11 -> OpenRCT2_Level_11 -> OpenRCT2_Level_12
=> OpenRCT2_Level_12 -> OpenRCT2_Level_12 -> OpenRCT2_Level_13
=> OpenRCT2_Level_13 -> OpenRCT2_Level_13 -> OpenRCT2_Level_14
=> OpenRCT2_Level_14 -> OpenRCT2_Level_14 -> OpenRCT2_Level_15
=> OpenRCT2_Level_15 -> OpenRCT2_Level_15 -> OpenRCT2_Level_16
=> OpenRCT2_Level_16 -> OpenRCT2_Level_16 -> OpenRCT2_Level_17
=> OpenRCT2_Level_17 -> OpenRCT2_Level_17 -> OpenRCT2_Level_18
=> OpenRCT2_Level_18 -> OpenRCT2_Level_18 -> OpenRCT2_Level_19
=> OpenRCT2_Level_19 -> OpenRCT2_Level_19 -> OpenRCT2_Level_20
=> OpenRCT2_Level_20 -> OpenRCT2_Level_20 -> OpenRCT2_Level_21
=> OpenRCT2_Level_21 -> OpenRCT2_Level_21 -> OpenRCT2_Level_22
=> OpenRCT2_Level_22 -> OpenRCT2_Level_22 -> OpenRCT2_Level_23
=> OpenRCT2_Level_23 -> OpenRCT2_Level_23 -> OpenRCT2_Level_24
=> OpenRCT2_Level_24 -> OpenRCT2_Level_24 -> Victory

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What a helpful route

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cadancewheeze

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:53 AM

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Yeah, OpenRCT2 is not a well designed archipelago

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 6:54 AM

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Copper Shortsword (JayTRR): Copper Shortsword (JayTRR)
Demonite Ore (JayTRR): Demonite Ore (JayTRR)
Enchanted Sword (JayTRR): Enchanted Sword (JayTRR)

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Are they preparing for full item randomizer

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:58 AM

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Hello, @here! I'm starting another Manechat Asynchronous Archipelago Game, with the intent of running until the end of May. If you're interested, please read the list of available games https://archipelago.gg/games and pick one or more games to run, then ping me so I can keep track of you and help you out with any problems. (Unsupported games are also OK.)
The game will start May 1st or whenever everyone interested is ready. I will also explicitly invite last month's players: @weary lagoon, @fresh hill, @wet field, @clear summit, @cold valve, @shy oyster, @lament tusk, and people who showed interest, @dawn wigeon, @tender pelican.

In order to join, I will need the YAML files for whatever games you want to play.

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:59 AM

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what the heck is alarm clock

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 6:59 AM

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You wake up

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:59 AM

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Link's awakening, duh

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:59 AM

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derp

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 7:02 AM

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@fierce vale cant wait to see you bring WIND WAKER this time

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:02 AM

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I already have the following games https://i.imgur.com/zjY82W7.png

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clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Huh

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your ash is way longer

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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i need to tweak my LADX YAML and i'm still on the fence if i want to do undertale

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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I guess it's because of the template text

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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Correct

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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They removed a lot of options with 0.4.6 too

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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i will investigate undertale tomorrow

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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They did?

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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Uhh

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I'm not sure if it was with 0.4.6 or 0.4.5

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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translators note: tomorrow is saturday is romulusland

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 7:03 AM

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But my old ASH yaml has much more options compared to my current one

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:04 AM

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Oh yeah, skip cutscenes and gold chest appearance

fierce vale Apr 27, 2024, 7:04 AM

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dumbtiktok i might just chuck in a hatty time, i am currently ill though so that might have to be later/tommorow

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:05 AM

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i will update AP this time

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i don't know what "boots controls" are

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midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:08 AM

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Yep

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    # [Vanilla] Nothing changes, you have to equip the boots to use them
    # [Bracelet] Holding down the button for the bracelet also activates boots (somewhat like Link to the Past)
    # [Press A] Holding down A activates boots
    # [Press B] Holding down B activates boots```

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:08 AM

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ponyhmm

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:08 AM

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Seems like a quality of life option

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:08 AM

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meh, i gotta constantly switch to the feather anyway

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:09 AM

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Allows you to use pegasus boots without having to equip them each time

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:10 AM

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i think i'll try the bracelet option

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:11 AM

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You should do the experimental entrance shuffle option

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:11 AM

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yeah i was planning on it

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and making seashells local

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:13 AM

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You can use https://archipelago.gg/weighted-options to generate a YAML with local items without having to fiddle with the exact formatting

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(Careful, it's a huge page)

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:13 AM

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i'm gonna start with the basic options page and then edit that one

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oh there's a shuffle instruments option now

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but i kinda like them being in the vanilla locations, it forces me to complete the dungeons

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:21 AM

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it finally hit me that of the games I've randomized before, there are two which have different options I wanted to try, so those will be my May games: Ender Lilies with entrance randomizer + non-main starting spirit, and A Short Hike with minimal feathers

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📎 Ender_Lilies.yaml 📎 A_Short_Hike.yaml

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:24 AM

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cold valve but i kinda like them being in the vanilla locations, it forces me to complete t...

Just set the dungeon rewards to be priority checks. That way instruments can be in other worlds but you receive other progression items when you finish a dungeon

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:25 AM

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I wonder if ASH would benefit from any priority_locations...

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:26 AM

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It's so small that you can't help doing all of it anyway

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:29 AM

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after looking at the map a bit, I can only think of a couple locations to maybe prioritize and it'd be a marginal benefit anyway

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for me that option's really about checks that take significant in-game effort even after I have the required items, and ASH by design has very little like that

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:50 AM

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tested, it seems to work. the random entrances are wild

📎 DrRomLADX.yaml

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i went into the shop and i was in the bird key cave, but i couldn't do anything there. however, if you fall in a hole in there you pop out up in the mountains by papahl, where there's a chest in his cave

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crazy, this'll be fun to explore

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:52 AM

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something similar happened when I tested EL ER a minute ago

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:52 AM

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i found level 1 in the boomerang guy cave

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and my starting item was the ocarina lol

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:53 AM

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does LADX have any kind of ER tracker?

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:53 AM

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ER?

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:53 AM

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entrance rando

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:53 AM

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magpie did not seem to indicate them

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i have not investigated alternate trackers

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:54 AM

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I think the only one of my games that has ER and any kind of tracker support for it is Tunic, and even that only came out after my Tunic ER game so I haven't tried it myself

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er, rather, I believe the standard trackers for all my ER games will get the ER logic correct (except AHiT sadly), but there's no "entrance tracker" specifically to remind you how to get from A to B in the crazy world layout

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 7:55 AM

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i have mine set to "simple" ER, so it only shuffles entrances that have Locations in them

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 7:56 AM

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makes sense

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even in AHiT, where I would recommend act_rando: light for a first rando playthrough because it's a hub world of portals anyway, act_rando: insanity would be too much to jump straight into

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as much as I enjoy when the seed hides one of my most important levels behind 2-3 nested time rifts

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 8:01 AM

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You should definitely prepare to write things down if a manual entrance tracker doesn't exist

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I already have eleven YAMLs!

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 8:06 AM

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This is the twelfth time we have created a multiworld, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 8:19 AM

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cold valve tested, it seems to work. the random entrances are wild

just in case, here's a ping @midnight depot, since you said to ping you in the announcement

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 8:19 AM

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Yep. You're in!

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https://i.imgur.com/F6reek8.png

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weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 8:28 AM

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📎 Arti_1.yaml

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feel free to edit it so we share gold skulltulas

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but i dont want local only

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 8:29 AM

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I've never tried item links before so this should be interesting

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think we'll have 4 OoTs again?

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 8:31 AM

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no i doubt mega is running it

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Maybe Flitter wants to run it twice ICANT

clear summit Apr 27, 2024, 8:44 AM

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I can afford one more game since I have only about 300 checks with 3 games, but I can't think of a game to play so I am sticking with 3 I have rn

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 8:45 AM

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could always do two instances of one game with different options

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 8:47 AM

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or WIND WAKER

fierce vale Apr 27, 2024, 8:54 AM

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ponks1 ponks2 the chipmunk oot out of leftfield ||i'm probably not doing that||

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 8:56 AM

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||cause he's doing WIN-||

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 9:14 AM

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I'm definitely considering doing two copies of OoT with different settings, but probably not this month

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 9:26 AM

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One where you turn into an adult and collect medallions, and one where you remain a child and collect masks

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 11:44 AM

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Playing more Crosscode

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It's a big game. I wonder how they managed to fit it into archipelago for synchronous games

lament tusk Apr 27, 2024, 12:41 PM

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weary lagoon no i doubt mega is running it

I had a bad run this month, but I've has a month to cool down
If we're doing item link, I'm down for oot again, not done it before

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 1:14 PM

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only skulltulas for me.

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:12 PM

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Let's test out item links and local items

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If I make gold skulltula tokens local to me, and link gold skulltula tokens for myself and Artiks, how does that even work?

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:13 PM

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hm

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so I've never used item_links in any capacity before, but my understanding is that if "Item Name" is item linked, that means one player finding their "Item Name" causes all other slots of the same game to also receive one of the same item

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Yeah

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:14 PM

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if that's true, then it's completely independent of whether those items are local; that part just decides whether it's you finding your GSTs or everyone finding your GSTs

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:14 PM

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It also removes that item from all worlds, except for one copy

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:15 PM

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oooooh

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ok that part might get super weird with other options

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:15 PM

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Rather than removing it, it replaces it with another item, but I have it left at null which means it can decide what's appropriate to replace it with

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Let's generate a test game and look at the spoiler log

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I have 12 yamls ready so this'll take a bit

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:17 PM

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that's right, this is one of those cases where the apworld's get_filler_item_name() method gets called

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:18 PM

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Technically I can replace them with ice traps

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That would be fun

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:18 PM

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https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/blob/e76ba928a8b8cf43794349fd649e9d610a6c01e1/worlds/oot/__init__.py#L1362-L1363 looks like for OoT, that means anything in the "junk pool"

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which, yeah, if you're doing "all my junk is ice traps", probably means ice traps

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:19 PM

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That would achieve our goal of reducing the amount of progression items that don't actually give progression

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And it's done. OoT inflates the size of the spoiler log by a lot

📎 AP_57073704592795736943_Spoiler.txt

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Okay so

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Item linking worked

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But keeping them local did not

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In the location list there are exactly 100 gold skulltula tokens, so it worked perfectly

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And in my game there are only 18 gold skulltula tokens

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So I guess there's no point in using local items if I'm using item links?

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 4:28 PM

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I think its already going to do a lot reducing it from 400 to 100

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even though its just replaced with arrows and I dont use priority locations so it doesnt matter to me

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:29 PM

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in that spoiler log I see only one OoT slot having GSTs local, so with item links deleting 3/4 of them I think the local part maybe did "work" and what you were looking for requires applying it to all the OoT slots

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:30 PM

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There are two OoTs. One has GSTs local and one does not

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All two have GSTs linked

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In my OoT, 18 GST are local. In Artiks's, 21 are

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The remaining 61 are distributed across the other games

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Ah well, I guess there's no harm in keeping it regardless of whether it does something

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:34 PM

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midnight depot The remaining 61 are distributed across the other games

right, I'm saying this might not be the case if both slots set GSTs local

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:34 PM

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Let's try it

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:35 PM

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(I don't know if we want to go that far, but while we're here it's worth making sure we understand the options)

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:45 PM

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Okay, when I set both OoT worlds to have local gold skulltula tokens AND linked them

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I got 19 in one world, 22 in another. 100 total

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The numbers were almost identical

fresh hill Apr 27, 2024, 4:46 PM

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oh, so local_items really doesn't do anything when they're item_linked

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 4:47 PM

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New spoiler log

📎 message.txt

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:51 PM

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after looking into it, i've decided to hold off on undertale until June; i think the LADX settings i have now is sufficient for my time in May

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we'll see how i feel about the progression of LADX time-wise to see if i want more in june

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:52 PM

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I was watching a youtube video and speeding up the parts I wanted to skip with the right arrow key

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While you were typing I pressed the right key and you didn't instantly finish typing

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 6:52 PM

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lol

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 6:52 PM

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I guess I'll develop superpowers another day

dawn wigeon Apr 27, 2024, 7:27 PM

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I'll figure out what I want to play today and post a yaml

midnight depot Apr 27, 2024, 7:29 PM

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Excellent!

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The only requirement is that you pick something you can finish within the month (given interruptions because you're waiting on other players to find your stuff)

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 10:14 PM

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📎 The_Wind_Waker.yaml

cold valve Apr 27, 2024, 10:34 PM

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Omg. THE wind waker??

weary lagoon Apr 27, 2024, 10:45 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FftDrweUNvc

dawn wigeon Apr 28, 2024, 12:42 AM

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Here is my yaml. Note that you will need the FF6 ROM and apworld to generate that patch, and you will need to send me the apff6wc file that's generated as it won't show up on the website

📎 Dessyreqt-Manechat_aync.yaml

midnight depot Apr 28, 2024, 7:43 AM

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dawn wigeon Here is my yaml. Note that you will need the FF6 ROM and apworld to generate tha...

Do you know which versions of the ROM I need to generate with? I might not have the exact one I need.

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Also, this is just a matter of preference, but it's easier for me to get a glance of all games in a multiworld if the YAML files are split.

weary lagoon Apr 28, 2024, 7:46 AM

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While doing my wind waker yaml I was reminded of how the game sometimes expects you to do some outrageous combat combat caves without a sword

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so I think sword will be my first hint this time ThumbsUp it was pretty bad last time

midnight depot Apr 28, 2024, 7:46 AM

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Do you want to start with sword hinted?

weary lagoon Apr 28, 2024, 7:47 AM

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no

midnight depot Apr 28, 2024, 7:48 AM

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Apparently there's a forked apworld for worlds collide where you don't need the ROM to generate. https://github.com/beauxq/Archipelago/tree/ff6wc

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But I'll leave it to you to decide which one to use, since you know the game.

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Post I found it at: <#1022545979146252288 message>

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Either way, we're up to seventeen games, exceeding last month's numbers https://i.imgur.com/hgjESJj.png

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We'll start on Wednesday, or as soon as everyone who's expressed interest is ready

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Right now I think I'm waiting for Chip, Kratta, Captainmario, Meganought

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Maybe Llisandur? I don't remember

#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer