Yeah, I think I mostly like Doom for the custom maps
#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
midnight depot
midnight depot
Here's a quick summary:
1- You run Doom 1 or Doom 2 on a modified CrispyDoom source port.
2- The levels are basically the same, but major items are replaced with archipelago items.
3- Enemies are shuffled or randomized. You get to choose which episodes you want.
4- If you die, you return to the start of the level. Every level start has an exit to hub teleporter
ancient harness
I thought it had to be Doom 1
midnight depot
Doom 2 is in development, but it's completed and is waiting to be integrated into the next archipelago version
I'm generating an archipelago game manually, so I can make a doom 2 for you if you want
Doom 1 is a little easier to get going since you only need to follow the setup page
But Doom 2 has a super shotgun and slightly more fun maps
midnight depot
If you want me to generate a test game for you, I'll need your YAML file with the Doom 2 settings.
And the custom client is at https://github.com/Daivuk/apdoom/releases/download/1.0.2/APDOOM_1.0.2.zip
You'll also need the .wad file here
(Or from your own copy of the game)
lament tusk
oh looks like the subnautica mod is super easy to install lol
just shove the file in and connect to the host i think
midnight depot
That sounds like Hollow Knight
lament tusk
not sure how to change the randomiser settings?
midnight depot
Through the YAML file
ancient harness
The WAD goes on the same folder as APDoom right?
midnight depot
Yep
You can follow basically the same steps as https://archipelago.gg/tutorial/DOOM 1993/setup/en
midnight depot
Hmm. Still says the YAML is invalid. I'll look into it
ancient harness
I validated it with the link in the yaml
midnight depot
Yeah, I figured it out
Turns out you need an older version of the APworld file to work with the current version of archipelago
Here you go!
I randomized a one-player game for you using your settings
Connect via archipelago.gg:56620
And tell me if everything seems to work correctly
midnight depot
Press right
Right or left switch episodes
You should have the first level of each episode
lament tusk
seems subnautica is working
so is the map mod
midnight depot
Fantastic. If you want to stick with the same settings I'll just use them to generate a game with everyone else tomorrow
Though I kind of recommend starting with all the computer area maps if you don't want to get stuck looking for the last item in a map
ancient harness
I did though? I know all the maps perfectly but I gave that a 99 just in case I forget a secret
midnight depot
Hmm, the YAML says start_with_computer_area_maps: # Give the player all Computer Area Map items from the start. false: 50 true: 0
ancient harness
Ah, I put it in the wrong flag. Please switch that one up
lament tusk
do you want me to send you my yaml here or DMs?
midnight depot
Here is fine
ancient harness
Hmm, the YAML says ``` start_with_computer_area_maps:
# Give the player all ...
weird
midnight depot
(Also I modified your 99s to 50s in case that caused the issue. It didn't)
midnight depot
Done
lament tusk
i dont really know what free samples is, but im going for the whole game and thats long enough as is
midnight depot
lament tusk
yeah but i dont know what "free items" means
some of the stuff needed to make it? all of the stuff needed? random items? tools? food?
midnight depot
Okay, so when you get a blueprint
You should get that item too
Just one copy of it
midnight depot
Fantastic
Okay, that's everything I have so far https://i.imgur.com/myflcRG.png
Nine games in total. Should be fun!
Since other people expressed interest, I'll leave things here and generate a game with everyone's files tomorrow
lament tusk
what game is no-pants?
midnight depot
I've edited the pin with new info and the game rules #1119170161518334004 message
Same as before, but with optional hints every 8% in case someone gets stuck with a new game
weary lagoon
can I haggle you up to 12% if I start at 20%
midnight depot
You can just not use hints
lament tusk
subnautica is a game where i dont think i'd need hints
but i'd like to have them anyway
weary lagoon
its still much more boring when the others can hint every single one of their major items
lament tusk
let them play how they want!
midnight depot
Ocarina of Time is good with no hints but some games can be frustrating if you get stuck, and since this is a shorter game I think 8% is warranted but normally I'd go for 10%
lament tusk
they can choose to use them or not
weary lagoon
May well share the spoiler log on game start if we're gonna know where everything is!
How other people play affects me its a social game
midnight depot
True
lament tusk
dude.
midnight depot
It's absolutely fair to desire fewer hints for everyone
How about we ask everyone how they feel, and then decide on a value that seems fair based on opinions?
weary lagoon
I played in the first one when we had way too many hints and people on Hollow Knight etc could just hint every single item there was no discovery
ancient harness
What are my key items, just the keys and skulls?
midnight depot
And levels
Every level is a key item and I think you need to finish every level to win?
Maybe only the last level of each episode?
ancient harness
I can't think when I'd use a hint so I don't care.
Maybe if I'm waiting on my last level
midnight depot
I ran half a doom 1 game and found myself going into a level, picking a few items and getting stuck because I don't have a key then switching levels
It was frustrating and killed my momentum but I think when other players are there it will be fine
ancient harness
Yeah I don't see being stuck behind something specific until the end
weary lagoon
Kinda sounds like thats just how that rando works
ancient harness
Yeah small steps of progression
fresh hill
every game I've played I either simply didn't use all my hints or felt it would've been more fun with a few more hints (and I think at least once we got Flitter to admin hint for us?), so I'm inclined to round towards more hints, but I don't think I was in that first game Artiks mentioned
and since this is a shorter one I picked settings that reduce my chances of early BK anyway
midnight depot
Yeah I don't see being stuck behind something specific until the end
Okay, so how many hints do you think the game should have? The number of percentage point completion is shared between all players, and the default is one hint every 10%
fresh hill
hint % is shared now? how does that work
midnight depot
hint % is shared now? how does that work
Same as it worked before. I'm just describing it
Everyone gets a hint every 10% or 8% or 12% and you can't make it so people have differing percentages.
fresh hill
oh the setting is the same for every slot, the actual %s are still per-slot
midnight depot
This question is for everyone, by the way! What percentage completion do you think a hint should be awarded?
10% is 10 hints, 9% is 11, 8% is 12 hints and so on
fresh hill
I guess I'd prefer 8% but since I've yet to be in a game where "too many hints" was a thing I don't have a strong opinion
midnight depot
I'm fine with accommodating Artiks if he feels so strongly about it, but I don't want anyone else to be frustrated so please complain if you think it's important
ancient harness
Okay, so how many hints do you think the game should have? The number of percent...
Usually I've preferred fewer hints, hints shouldn't be an easy copout but a desperation move.
But in this run I don't really think I have a say because Doom rando doesn't have a need for hints. There's no Ocarina or Song of Time or Dash gating half the game. There's like 120 items and all of them have a dozen or so checks.
lament tusk
I barely used my hints last time, in fact I gave two to arti
midnight depot
I understand
fresh hill
iirc the time I wanted hints the most was when items I could get for someone else were behind a chain of other not-yet-found items, and we needed to hint the whole chain to make progress... buuuuuuut that was also because one or two players had just not played much of their games at the time, so arguably it doesn't count
midnight depot
All right, with the current consensus in mind I think 12% is fair.
Does anyone have a problem with 12% at 8 hints per game?
midnight depot
I'll make sure that doesn't happen by finding all my checks
lament tusk
i'd rather have 8% and just encourage folks not to hint till they need to, but have them if they need to
midnight depot
I don't want to have spare hints
lament tusk
i guess
midnight depot
I'd rather need them and not have them than have them and not need them
fresh hill
I do, since it's mostly not up to me how many hints I'll need or want later
weary lagoon
I'd be more happy with 20% but 12 is a good compromise!
lament tusk
this is supposed to be a faster rando that can be done within like 2-3 weeks
midnight depot
Correct, but you said earlier you don't feel that you need that many hints
midnight depot
Is there anyone else you're concerned might get stuck?
lament tusk
and im also not actually entierly sure what are key progression items in subnautica
midnight depot
Subnautica is the game I'm most concerned about because I don't know about it
lament tusk
i think i need the cyclops, prawn suit and drill arm, an like 6 depth modules for both at a bare minimum
plus the resources for them
its definitly the longest game on the rando but i really didnt want to do oot again and thats one of the games on the list im most comfortable with
i wonder if doom 2016 will ever be randoed?
midnight depot
If you don't feel comfortable with any game right now feel free to sit this game out
I only want you to play if you think you can put in that much playtime for the game
Doom 2016 has some support but I don't think anyone is working on it
lament tusk
im comfortable with subnautica, i dont know it like the back of my hand but i've playev before, have a map, and a wiki to help
fierce vale
the only super agregious thing with hints was on one of the times i did DS iand just couldn't do anything for the majority of the time 
fresh hill
was that DS3 with the banner?
fierce vale
ye
midnight depot
The banner kills a lot of DS3 runs because it's an early key that locks most of the game
And often logic requires people to fight a superboss to go forth
So having one hint early is crucial for the game
fierce vale
i did kill dancer before getting my banner because i forgot i needed basin for that path
but yeah, it isn't the best for randomisation on the recieving side because it doesn't really have that many required progression items
fresh hill
I've heard enough about this dang banner that I wonder if people should be putting it in start_hints or something
fierce vale
i mean, start hints is flitter just running it as admin 
to be fair, thats the reason i usually run multiple games, i was just to busy to learn hollow knight at the time, so it shouldn't have been as bad
midnight depot
You could just start the game with it
fierce vale
true
nahnah, gonna start with basin so if i wanna continue i gotta be punching up massively
fresh hill
I recently realized I can start AHiT with 2 badge pins
now I don't spend the whole back half of the game manually switching between compass and hookshot badge every five seconds 
(and I'm allowed to equip one of the others for variety)
fierce vale
wait shit, i should defo start doing that
on one of my hat in time runs i litterally never got a second pin slot
fresh hill
none of my AHiT runs ever gave me one organically so I just said screw it we're doing start_inventory 
specifically what I have is
start_inventory:
Badge Pin: 2
When was go time?
midnight depot
Today when I confirm everyone is ready or tonight if I don't
Oops, I accidentally called someone
I don't think there's enough time for anyone who expressed interest but never played before to join so I might as well generate the game now
ancient harness
Nice
midnight depot
It's go time @weary lagoon, @fresh hill, @lament tusk, and @sage dawn. As usual, play at your own pace but try to play at least enough each week that the game is done by the end of the month. The pins include a link to the game and tracker pages
weary lagoon
wcctnoam takes the lead
midnight depot
And we have our first check
fresh hill
oh right this one was mid afternoon
of course my laptop decided to turn itself off right now
weary lagoon
hm
ancient harness
Alright, BK time
weary lagoon
Random text might make it hard to tell what some checks are
ancient harness
One of four checks in the first level baby
weary lagoon
do you need medikits
ancient harness
Sure
fresh hill
hm, Ender Lilies gave me a Catacombs start, I think that means I'll only have this one area until someone finds my swim or a bunch of movement
that sounds good for a first item
midnight depot
Junk items in doom are much more useful in synchronous play
weary lagoon
wow I got magic already
ancient harness
BTw, left and arrow keys did nothing for me on the map selection menu. Maybe the episodes need to be unlocked and I just have Ep 1?
midnight depot
Let me double check
All episodes say true for you, but when I did a solo Doom 1 run I had the first of every episode unlocked from the start
lament tusk
Ah good we're starting today
I'll be on in a bit
ancient harness
Maybe It's a different key for me I don't know
I tried the setup but it didn't change any of the keys
midnight depot
It was right and left to swap episodes, and you can reconfigure what buttons do what on a different executable in the same folder
Oh
ancient harness
I'm gonna assume for now the episodes need to be unlocked
lament tusk
oh should i play with or without food
or even hardcore mode?
fresh hill
that's one of the most important movement items in Pseudoregalia
midnight depot
Play the easiest settings
weary lagoon
wcctnoams map 11 in my shop
fresh hill
first one gets you regular slide and second gets you the slide jump
midnight depot
I love having an easy time
fresh hill
(and regular slide is enough to do ultras, which I suck at, but I can get some stuff out of logic with them)
lament tusk
i like playing with food, so ill do that
midnight depot
Map 11 pistol only
weary lagoon
thats good im about to buy you double defense
ancient harness
wcctnoams map 11 in my shop
I don't know if I'd even be able to use that right now.
That's in Episode 2
midnight depot
If you get it you should be able to switch to it
lament tusk
oh flitter you found a good tracker for subnautica, didnt you? i forgot to save it
ancient harness
I thought I'd at least be able to get the shotgun and chaingun but enemies don't even drop those now 
midnight depot
oh flitter you found a good tracker for subnautica, didnt you? i forgot to save ...
No there's just the archipelago tracker
lament tusk
lol someone got me the lightweight high capacity air tank, and because of free items, i just have it right at the start, thats a super late game item lol
thanks
fresh hill
that sounds good for a first item
literally my first item
also, I appear to be early BK'd in EL after only 4 items
so good thing I played EL first? lol
yessss, early slide in Pseudoregalia feels so nice
normally I can't get to this ledge early without walking around the map to fall down from above
is the ruby any good?
midnight depot
You played Blasphemous
midnight depot
The cloistered ruby makes lightning show up when you use a bile flask, I think?
Better than nothing
fresh hill
ah that's the 50k tears reward, so I would've gotten it so late I never used it much
exactly the kind of thing we like to see early in rando so that now it does get used
midnight depot
It's good damage but I don't like "spend healing to deal damage" items
fresh hill
same
weary lagoon
2 maps for wcct
ancient harness
Pogs
27 pistol only lets go
Yeah I can't acces 27, I've tried every key but I have no idea how I get to it in the menu.
Meanwhile, 11 has a bastard start 
weary lagoon
flitter is thorn upgrade something you need (cant get it yet but for my notes)
midnight depot
I need it only for the best ending. This time I decided "any ending" is fine
fresh hill
work needed a thing from me, but now back to pseudo
I have... 7 more green squares, they're pretty far apart but I should be able to BK the goat fairly quickly
weary lagoon
I have closed deku tree so if anyone sees my deku shield its actually a big item
weary lagoon
rocket launcher sounds good
ancient harness
My favourite, thanks
Now I just need to figure out what I did that turned my hud transparent
weary lagoon
10 gold skulltulas - a gold skulltula token
20 - MEGA armor
30- stagnant blight x30
40- Partial invisibility
50 - MEGA armor
lament tusk
hmm. im a bit worried right now. ive been to a few wrecks, and checked where i thought i'd find stuff in the rando but havent found anything yet, not even my sea glide, which i set to be close by the lifepod
mega armour, nice
ancient harness
20, 40 and 50 are mine, you can ignore
midnight depot
hmm. im a bit worried right now. ive been to a few wrecks, and checked where i t...
Did you correctly receive items?
lament tusk
i've been getting items, yeah
i definitly shouldnt have this this early, its been super helpful
midnight depot
My shooting gallery reward was a refund on the money I spent to play
fresh hill
and it was literally three steps left of my random starting point
midnight depot
Exact refund
weary lagoon
chaingun pog
ancient harness
huge
midnight depot
fresh hill
that's basically a charm notch
lament tusk
ok so i CAN find stuff, its just rarer
fresh hill
very nice, but doesn't unlock checks
midnight depot
Since when is there an open grotto in Lon Lon Ranch?
fresh hill
how useful are these in doom?
ancient harness
Whether I'm full of ammo, health and armor or in deep misery is gonna be changing constantly
midnight depot
They're very useful if you don't already have enough
ancient harness
Just pick them up like you pick currency for other games
midnight depot
Mega Armor doubles your health and halves damage you take
Hint: My Shadow Temple is actually a Forest Temple
fresh hill
all right, that's all the green squares done, and a couple of out-of-logic checks that are within my skill level, goat is BK'd
oooh you found my Umbral Knight
my EL starter was Gerrod (very slow and heavy hits) so Umbral will make things much easier once I have a movement ability to let me go somewhere else
ancient harness
If it's ammo just pick it up. If it's Mega armor, megasphere or invulnerability sphere, if you are able to tell it's one of those three before you pick it up, save it if you can and let me know
Which I guess only happens if it's in a shop
midnight depot
My Kokiri sword so early!
ancient harness
Hax
midnight depot
Thanks
fresh hill
yeah, Pseudo doesn't do shops
weary lagoon
cba farming sticks
fresh hill
of the three games I'm playing iirc Tunic is the only one that will have some shop checks, though nowhere near as many as Hollow Knight
midnight depot
True, I just started with ten sticks and had a shop slot guaranteed to have sticks
But I only used three before you found my sword
weary lagoon
i would consider doing it if you could make sword progressive like in ootmm
in this one its bad because you may never get your kokiri sword
fresh hill
fool traps are very similar to OoT's ice traps
midnight depot
That sounds fun
weary lagoon
can I do anything up death mountain or goron city without bombs..
midnight depot
The skulltula in goron city
weary lagoon
as child?
midnight depot
It's rough without a boomerang or hookshot but you can get it
weary lagoon
i think its an adult skull..
weary lagoon
ye
ancient harness
Try the tracker, it's very good
weary lagoon
i dont really need it
ancient harness
Same, but it's nice to have confirmation of "Yeah, everything is red, you're in BK"
weary lagoon
LOL
midnight depot
worst spell for artiks
weary lagoon
I wish I took a screenshot before clicking past
let me see if I can get it in a recording
fresh hill
same, no matter how well I know a game having that quick confirmation is huge when only one jump I'm bad at can open up half the game
ancient harness
worst spell for artiks
Don't say that, Naru's love let me get a grotto without having song of time
weary lagoon
TRUE
midnight depot
It's Farore's Wind
Hint: My bottle is in Ixrec's Rooted Ziggurat https://i.imgur.com/itDb1mQ.png
fresh hill
oh my god why is my fox is cursed to always do early quarry
I didn't even have a stick last time
weary lagoon
you're in ganons castle?
fresh hill
(unsure how much of Tunic I'll get to today, most likely a small bit after I get this work thing done)
midnight depot
Yep
Open temple of time
I wanted the game to open up as much as possible after I get my sword
weary lagoon
i thought you said the opposite 2 days ago 
midnight depot
I wanted to be as closed as possible until I get it
midnight depot
Nice
fresh hill
oh right I should double-check that Tunic connects juuuuust in case
midnight depot
For some reason I can't wear bunny hood as adult link even though I thought I set it to available
weary lagoon
i dont remember that being a setting
midnight depot
I might be mistaken
Either way, this emulator allows me to fast forward through the hyrule field runs so I don't have to learn superslide
My piece of heart above cavern was your double defense
midnight depot
I accidentally killed the rope platform skulltula with a jumping attack
I didn't know you could even get it through the wall
fresh hill
ok yeah we're good
midnight depot
Light Arrows for Artiks. Time for a break.
ancient harness
Go Mode for Artiks
midnight depot
You need bombs to do bomb hovers
weary lagoon
midnight depot
And bottles to get arbitrary items
weary lagoon
me getting the light arrow as my first item
ancient harness
MASTER SWORDO REQUIEMU
weary lagoon
my ganons castle is shuffled it could be anywhere
ancient harness
I bet it's Spirit Temple as a child
midnight depot
Can you get adult completable dungeons as child?
midnight depot
Can you get a dungeon that can't be completed because you have no hookshot or boomerang?
And you're the wrong age
Sorry, the cat is making it difficult to type
weary lagoon
Yeah I think so
just means it isnt required to beat in logic
Last time we played I got to the ice cavern as child
midnight depot
Excellent
weary lagoon
theres a ledge you cant jump up as a kid so I didnt get very far
lament tusk
OH i get how my rando works now
anywhere theres a databox or PDA, its randomised
but theres no scrap for me to scan
...kinda sucks
i've found a few wrecks that normally have scrap in them but they're just empty
thats just an early game problem i think, later wrecks all have a box/pda in them
midnight depot
You should have figured that out before deciding to pick the game
lament tusk
its not a problem
just didnt understand how it worked, i only checked if it worked first
sage dawn
Okay I'm in
midnight depot
Nice!
sage dawn
@fresh hill Tracker says I can get out of dungeon with just mail breaker, but I can't jump high enough to get out via the underbelly with just normal backflips. Am I missing something?
fresh hill
normal backflips should be plenty for that
which jump specifically?
(I know I threw in a few supers when I did it earlier but that was just for variety)
sage dawn
This one
fresh hill
is that the one with the ramp to the left?
sage dawn
Hard to show because all I have is breaker throw light lol
fresh hill
first one in the dark?
sage dawn
Yeah
fresh hill
then yes you backflip off the ramp to make it high enough
fresh hill
whether you're perpendicular to the ledge or not doesn't matter much since you can rotate quite a bit in midair
fresh hill
these few mandatory dark rooms are annoying but you quickly memorize them
iirc the one that took me a while is the last dark room where you have to jump on the three small square platforms to reach the big glowing exit, might be easier to run around on ground level to remember where they are before climbing up the first short one
sage dawn
Makes sense
fresh hill
(even in my world where I had slide early, I still got out this way because I don't have a small key, and wouldn't want to waste it there even if I did)
weary lagoon
you guys better be looking for my ocarina rn
midnight depot
I'm looking for AN ocarina
weary lagoon
ye mine
midnight depot
My Deku Tree is Gerudo Training Ground
weary lagoon
did you turn on key rings?
midnight depot
Yes
midnight depot
The fucking skeletons kill me in two hits
I am not ready to face gerudo training ground as child Link
weary lagoon
did I buy your double defense
midnight depot
No but I would also need damage
midnight depot
Saria's Song was a gold skulltula token
I'm glad I decided to fully randomize songs instead of putting them in place of other songs
fresh hill
Guardian's Wings is my air dash, that's huge, I am probably unblocked now
oh and you found one of the major keys
for Pseudoregalia, you need 5 "Major Keys" to open the final boss door
midnight depot
Makes sense
fresh hill
beating the game is basically that plus enough movement to get up to it
midnight depot
Man on the roof skip success!
It is as easy as you made it to be
I just needed a few runs of practice
Dampe dug me up a poe
But Artiks has no bottles
weary lagoon
it says bottle with poe!
sage dawn
Okay I'm in BK mode
sage dawn
No but I would also need damage
Stick jumpslash is same as master sword jumpslash and then you can either powered crouch stab with kokiri sword, do broken stick, or do isg
midnight depot
Good old Ocarina of Time where they haven't invented gold Skulltula movement yet
sage dawn
Some branches have it but I guess AP doesn't
midnight depot
I can't figure out how to do ISG. Any tips? The timing eludes me
sage dawn
When I was first learning it I was doing it way too early.
midnight depot
Gold Skulltula house:
10- Giant's Hammer for Ixrec
The rest are junk
fresh hill
oh, I think that's the EL ability to break ground barriers
midnight depot
Hmm, ISG resets upon leaving the area and I don't think there's a good spot to get it inside Gerudo Training Ground
fresh hill
given my start location it won't help much yet but it'll be huge when I can get to places like village
midnight depot
Maybe I'll just go there as Adult Link
sage dawn
Oh, yeah you'll have to do navi text isg which is awkward
Crouch stab, target during stab, and then c-up
midnight depot
Yeah, I'm never doing that because I have Navi turned off
sage dawn
Even z-target navi?
midnight depot
Oh right, I probably only have random comments turned off
Anyway, I'll have to figure out the basic timing then go for Navi timing
sage dawn
Yeah, no rush if you don't want to grind it at the moment
You can as you stated previously just come back as adult
midnight depot
Last run I tried for like two hours to get ISG in Death Mountain Crater so I can then bomb hover and cross the gap to plant a bean
The game ended before I had the chance to get it
midnight depot
I did not think of that
sage dawn
Either from the bridge or the top entrance
midnight depot
ISG was the part I got stuck on
sage dawn
Yeah that's fair.
Bomb pickup isg sucks and I still can't do it
Oh you can also get up to that heart piece with a megaflip or hover boots by the great fairy fountain.
Saves having to plant beans
But doesn't get you the soil skull if you randomized that
midnight depot
I wanted the gold skulltula token
sage dawn
Fair
midnight depot
In that save I had every item except that one, including the heart piece and hover boots
How come Dampe's Grave exists as Child Link when Dampe is still alive?
Did he pre-dig it?
weary lagoon
ye
lament tusk
yes actually
fresh hill
(Amulet Fragments are small max health boosts, thanks)
midnight depot
Skeletons still kill me with two jump attacks but at least I deal more damage now
And that's almost all the OoT checks. Time to swap games
weary lagoon
just drank the poe, thanks again
midnight depot
Well a bottle is good
weary lagoon
remind me is giving skullkid the skull mask a check or just money
midnight depot
I think it's a check but I have the trading quest turned off in my game
weary lagoon
i have it set to completed
sage dawn
Oh yeah then I don't think you even can sell it to him
weary lagoon
so I can trade it in for the bunny hood now that I got the theater checks done
sage dawn
Yeah
midnight depot
The blasphemous enemy randomizer is so chaotic
Much harder than if I just shuffled enemies
lament tusk
mmm lead
thanks
i didnt realise i could get random single resources like that?
midnight depot
Ah, this mod implements shops https://i.imgur.com/n0qZyPO.png
weary lagoon
got my bottle checks done
fresh hill
yeah I like shuffling the shops in Blasphemous
midnight depot
Oops, out of bounds https://i.imgur.com/V4hBntB.png
Which mod adds this puppy? https://i.imgur.com/ZFvvaIP.png
lament tusk
what puppy
midnight depot
Megaton Hammer to Artiks
lament tusk
there is no puppy
sage dawn
Someday I will get an item
midnight depot
With 52 checks it's kind of hard to send you items
sage dawn
Yeah I understand lol
It gives me a lot of down time to do other things though
Like grind exp in ff14 for some reason
midnight depot
Found @sage dawn's air kick
lament tusk
Hmm
My PC is acting strange
Its still on but the screen went black
I think the game is still running though
sage dawn
Oh shit hell yeah
midnight depot
Hmm
My PC is acting strange
Does alt+ctrl+delete work?
lament tusk
Good thing I saved recently I suppose
midnight depot
Try remoting into it through the Steam Link app
sage dawn
Got one more check. The rest require small keys and I'm out
Will do it after this dungeon
lament tusk
we're back but that was strange
sage dawn
Oh wait no, some of these are still yellow without keys. Yellow might also just mean requires tricks
sage dawn
Here it's doing double duty with requires keys
sage dawn
Small keys can be spent anywhere there's a door
And the tracker doesn't auto subtract spent keys
lament tusk
...i missed the aroura exploding? noooooo!!!!
weary lagoon
trying to find it
midnight depot
It's called GF HBA 1500 Points
weary lagoon
it is junk
weary lagoon
I need those
midnight depot
I'll get you another 20 rupees
TIL the three-enemy pile can turn left and right
In the base game they never turn
Found Artiks's Ocarina
weary lagoon
thanks for the ocarina, thats a good item
lament tusk
why did i just get a hint? i never hinted anything
weary lagoon
When you open a shop in games like hollow knight and whatever flitter is playing, the items in the shop will be listed as "hints"
lament tusk
aaah
midnight depot
Yep
weary lagoon
Remember that one time we played when Wcct didnt get his ocarina until the very end of the game
that was CRAZY
midnight depot
It was fun because it didn't happen to me
weary lagoon
I have requiem so I can check out whats inside the spirit temple
ice cavern
last run I learned there is nothing to do in here as a child unless you have boomerang
oh yeah, a song from exciting desert colossus!
song of storms
weary lagoon
oh song of storms is gonna let me check out whats in the well
midnight depot
Bottom of the Well has Ganon's Castle
ancient harness
And at least 2 grottos, as a hcild
weary lagoon
yes a lot of those
weary lagoon
well this seed opened up fast
weary lagoon
bottom of the well has bottom of the well
midnight depot
How convenient
weary lagoon
thanks for the slingshot
midnight depot
Slingshot!
weary lagoon
i think it only opens up the slingshot game in forest
midnight depot
Fire temple boss key
I keep getting red checks. I think there's a problem with the tracker
sage dawn
Sometimes I forget that the dialogue in this game is so good
midnight depot
Progressive Slide for yay
Why is she called a bubble girl?
I found my slingshot too
lament tusk
you know it always bothered me that the sunbeams destruction didnt increase the amount of wrecks to find
weary lagoon
I set the ganons boss key condition to random
so I have the light arrows AND the boss door is unlocked?
midnight depot
Random has open as a condition, I guess
weary lagoon
yep
lament tusk
randomly placed in the lock lol
midnight depot
The settings part of the spoiler log says it's set to remove
Ganon's Boss Key: Remove
With zero trials?
weary lagoon
zero trials is normal
weary lagoon
I did this
midnight depot
Oh that makes sense
So you randomized it from the website, and the website picked remove
ancient harness
Nice tunic
weary lagoon
YE
midnight depot
I love purple
weary lagoon
pretty crazy
midnight depot
Great work
weary lagoon
wtf are these names
not sure if I can make it to Saria outside forest temple without hook or bow
midnight depot
These are bones!
ancient harness
Just dodge
midnight depot
In Blasphemous you collect bones and if you get most bones in the game you unlock a boss
The tracker says I can get this chest https://i.imgur.com/kixyW6M.png
But I don't really see how
weary lagoon
Dodongos cavern is jabu jabu
midnight depot
Seems appropriate
fresh hill
It gives me a lot of down time to do other things though
yeah this is part of the reason Pseudoregalia is my third game; the sm0lness would only become a problem if it was my only game
oh dang I got cling and yay got a kick
yay gets to do the fun paths
(in a randomizer context, cling gem is arguably a little overpowered, especially with the cling climb trick; the rando dev is thinking of splitting it into progressive gems so you don't immediately get maximum cling climb)
fresh hill
Required keys should be red
eh, I prefer yellow to red; I get that it's hard to make the tracker diverge from AP logic but at least key-gated items being yellow makes it easier to remember to think about them, while in Hollow Knight the map mod is effectively broken and unusable the moment you choose to open Waterways
(of course it'd be ideal if the tracker actually knew whether I'd spent keys or not, but apparently that's beyond the power of most tracker packs I've used)
lament tusk
why is the sea empress's first message so terrifying, i mean really
fresh hill
iiuc most of the trackers that connect to AP only know which of the multiworld-shuffled items were sent to you, not what you did with any of them in-game, because they aren't talking to the game itself
midnight depot
It looks like Blasphemous stopped sending items for like half an hour
Sure hope I didn't lose anything essential
fresh hill
(interestingly the Ender Lilies poptracker pack is the only one I've used that does talk directly to the game, though that still has some critical feature gaps)
oh geez
I feel like if you saved it's probably fine
weary lagoon
Minuet of forest had minuet of forest
and yeah you can get past the ogres without hook or bow
midnight depot
It is tricky though
weary lagoon
lets check out whats in the deku tree
midnight depot
Shadow Temple!
weary lagoon
it was closed as adult so I assume its a child dungeon
midnight depot
That's odd
weary lagoon
Why wont Mido let me go to the deku tree when I have the kokiri sword and shield
midnight depot
Did you talk to him without wearing any hat?
weary lagoon
no
midnight depot
You gotta take the hat off
midnight depot
Yeah, I just ran into the same issue but I had not randomized text
midnight depot
How come you can't get there as Adult Link?
weary lagoon
because the deku trees mouth was closed when I went there as adult
midnight depot
Gerudo Training Ground is an adult Link only dungeon but I was able to enter the Deku Tree's mouth as both child and Adult Link
Maybe you need to beat the boss of Deku Tree first?
weary lagoon
maybe you have to open it as child first
midnight depot
That would make sense.
weary lagoon
so now I have ganons castle access, light arrow and open boss door
so I can finish the game with the bow? seems odd
fresh hill
can you use the light arrows without a bow
midnight depot
No, that's why he specified with the bow
fresh hill
let's finally play some Tunic while I have a moment
nice, strength upgrade was pretty important iirc
weary lagoon
hmm
lament tusk
so all your console messages pop up on screen whenever they show up, but it was still unsettling to see wcct yell "HELP!" unexpectedly on my screen lol
midnight depot
True, that's where I got Light Arrows from
fresh hill
artiks already has a stick or sword, right?
midnight depot
Yes but
Ganon is immune to damage until you
1- reflect his shot at him
And 2- hit him with a light arrow afterwards
So bow is hard required along with light arrows for any Ganon run
fresh hill
also, Flitter, would you use a Knot of Hair?
midnight depot
Knot of hair is more damage so yeah probably
fresh hill
ok, unless Artiks badly needs a stick that'll be what I spend my first 300 fox money on
weary lagoon
no need
fresh hill
how useful are doom maps again?
fresh hill
weird, I have that location excluded
midnight depot
Computer area maps are helpful because they make the location of all checks in the map easy to find
But they're just an item, not the map itself
The map is the level, computer area map is a map map
I think I got some semantic satiation over here
midnight depot
Maybe we're not early anymore
weary lagoon
true im about to get my 2nd hint
fresh hill
lol, so that boss is not a priority this time
lament tusk
theres a check simply called "Floating Island - Cave Entrance PDA" but i have no idea what cave its referring to
i ddint know there was a pda in a cave entrance on the floating island
the only cave i do know of i just checked, nothing
...found it
its juast a random fucking cave
atleast it was on the path i suppose
fresh hill
omg hookshot
midnight depot
lol, so that boss is not a priority this time
I already got every important gold skulltula item. Feel free to ignore the remaining 90%
lament tusk
man i love the radio logs in this game lol
fresh hill
naisu
lament tusk
man i love the radio logs in this game lol
actually, has everyone played subnautica before? im gonna be talking about spoilers if folks care about this game, its an inevitability
fresh hill
that's the nature of rando, you see mild spoilers for everyone's game just in the item names
but I have personally watched an LP of Subnautica before so I know the gist of the plot
lament tusk
you should play it, its an amazing game
midnight depot
I played it and didn't like it
lament tusk
oof
fresh hill
don't ask questions you aren't prepared to hear the answer to
lament tusk
(its about 30% better with a map mod)
(i didnt like it the first few times i played either, getting lost sucks)
fresh hill
of all the Blasphemous bone names, this is my favorite
midnight depot
Mcmittens
lament tusk
ok i think im BK mode
what i need right now for more checks:
mobile vehicle bay
laser cutter
...thats it lol, you need 3 bluprint scans for each and im at 2/3 for both
theres a bunch more i need later but those will let me build a mini sub and carve into the wrecks i find
midnight depot
Sounds good
fresh hill
so close! 
lament tusk
decoy tube is great... if i have the cyclops
fresh hill
I tried!
lament tusk
actually ive literally never used the decoy tube
im frustratingly close to the cyclops too! that would be a HUGE boost to me, as i already have one depths upgrade for it, and the sheild mod
i can do so much with that
i'd still need the mobile vehicle bay to build it tho, and the laser cutter to... cut things
ancient harness
Let's gooo, maps. And the BFG
lament tusk
i AM at 24% in one day, ill take that
midnight depot
BFG is much more useful in Doom 2 than 1
fresh hill
I was finding so many of your maps in my overworld
midnight depot
There's 32 doom 2 maps, I think
Each has up to three colored keys and one computer area map
ancient harness
Let's see if beating the last level of Episode 1 will let me see episode 2
fresh hill
lol, yet another Cyclops part Mega did not want
ancient harness
Let's see if beating the last level of Episode 1 will let me see episode 2
Nope. Unless I have to beat everything in Ep 1 I maye be locked out of two thirds of my game
ancient harness
I have tried every binded key
midnight depot
Hmm
I'm looking at your spoiler file in the settings and it does not specify any included episodes
So it looks like it automatically assigned episode 1 and gave up
fresh hill
hype room delivers
midnight depot
That sucks
It should have failed with a warning instead. That's my fault. I should have double checked
ancient harness
Tracker says I have 479 checks which I don't think Ep1 has enough
fresh hill
wait is this a serious softlock we're looking at?
midnight depot
Hmm
Let's hope for the best and I'll ask on the archipelago server
Okay uh
Apparently this happened because of an APworld file mismatch. Episode swapping won't work, but you can use an older version to get access to all levels
Try 0.13.2
ancient harness
Poggy. Let me try
midnight depot
I thought I only had to generate using 0.13.2
fresh hill
that's a thing you needed, right?
midnight depot
But apparently you need to play using it too
Megaton Hammer is one of the most fun Adult Link items
fresh hill
that is odd, I've never heard of .apworld version mattering post-generation to the game client mod, only some trackers that called into it to help stay in sync
midnight depot
Very satisfying to use
ancient harness
Okay I can see every map. We're back on track
midnight depot
Fantastic!
I was afraid you'd miss out on the game or we'd have to start from scratch
fresh hill
rosary knot for flitter and another map for wcct
ancient harness
Nice, a super secret level
midnight depot
Rosary knots are very valuable considering I only have the base two
midnight depot
!hint super shotgun
ancient harness
Nah there's plenty in the game
fresh hill
welp, whenever someone finds Witch's Bubble that'll be almost the whole Ender Lilies map available
midnight depot
There are 20 super shotguns in the game to find so you're liable to find one soon
midnight depot
I don't think Doom 2 has many of those
ancient harness
Okay at least it's possible
midnight depot
Way more than I expected
Though Archipelago might switch some of them with junk to make the game a little harder
ancient harness
I gotta do more infighting
midnight depot
Here are your settings, by the way:
Player 7: Wcctnoam
Game: DOOM II
Start Inventory from Pool:
Difficulty: Hard
Random Monsters: Random Balanced
Random Pickups: Random Balanced
Flip Levels: Vanilla
Allow Death Logic: No
Pro Doom: No
Start With Computer Area Maps: No
Death Link: No
reset_level_on_death: Yes
Progression Balancing: 50
Accessibility: Items
Local Items:
Not Local Items:
Start Inventory:
Start Hints:
Start Location Hints:
Excluded Locations: Entryway (MAP01) - Armor
Priority Locations:
Item Links:
I was so sure I set start with computer area map to true
lament tusk
I was afraid you'd miss out on the game or we'd have to start from scratch
if we had to start from scratch, today is the day. i'd loose 5 hours pr pogress but thats not the end of the world
midnight depot
Also, the settings make no mention of which episodes are
midnight depot
if we had to start from scratch, today is the day. i'd loose 5 hours pr pogress ...
Fortunately we figured it out
lament tusk
i saw, just mentioning that if we had an error tomorrow i'd be less willing to reset
(it would also suck to lose my giant rooms)
lament tusk
lol, yet another Cyclops part Mega did not want
and i do really really want these, i literally cant finish the game without them, i just cant use them
yet
fresh hill
oooh, that boss I will have to do
and one of you needed me to go down to ziggurat anyway
lol your mobile vehicle bay fragment was the one check I missed at the very start of this area
ok, so the most valuable items for my fox at this point would be:
- Shield, I have no way to block damage which makes a lot of my green squares very impractical to reach
- Scavenger Mask, unlocks my Lower Quarry + Ziggurat + Scavenger Boss with other people's stuff
midnight depot
Good thing you're running three games so you can find your own stuff
fresh hill
but I think this is good enough progress for one session
midnight depot
It would be too easy
The goal in APDoom is to beat every level, not just icon of sin
ancient harness
I beat the game, GG
midnight depot
Good work beating up John Romero
ancient harness
That's enough for today I think
fresh hill
so where does that leave us
I am simultaneously top and bottom of the scoreboard
well clearly next time I'll try to focus on EL
midnight depot
Get your average completion by adding up all your checks and all max check numbers
111/688 is 16%ish
fresh hill
while everyone else is solidly in the low 20s
lament tusk
man ix you gotta catch up
midnight depot
Yeah
fresh hill
good, it's about time I brought enough games to not be in the lead
midnight depot
127/707 for me, which is 17.9%
Artiks and Wcctnoam and Yay and Meganought all have single games
fresh hill
granted Pseudo was basically guaranteed to hit the top as soon as my slide was found
that opens up so much
midnight depot
It is a small game
fresh hill
iirc there's... 7 items you're guaranteed to be able to get before BK, and 7/52 is already 13.5%
midnight depot
Makes sense
fresh hill
so I'd guess any of the core movement abilities bumps that up to ~15-25%
of course someone found my cling gem already so I'm probably at more like 50%
yep
lament tusk
oh hecc i have the mobile vehicle bay! awesome
i also have the water filtration suit which takes sweat and other bodily fluids and turns them into delicious fresh™️ water! ...yum
(this is a useful survival suit but i rarely use it, water in the ocean isnt too hard to get. great for long distance survival tho, and i dont have anything else)
weary lagoon
My fire temple is spirit temple, wonder if I can enter as a child
lament tusk
damnit i hate when the music goes hard in this game...
theres nothing around, i've played this game a bunch of times, theres nothing thats really a threat to me, but damn it just hits the right notes to make monkey brain scared every damn time
ancient harness
Damn, still not shotgun or backpack
weary lagoon
Maybe I should hint my bow and finish the game 
lament tusk
10 points it will be something late game, like my recipy for the cure check
43% right now, nice
ancient harness
HUGE progressive hookshot
lament tusk
things i need for the next chunk of checks:
laser cutter
seamoth depth module (i think i need the moonpool and moon pool upgrade console for that? thats like 6 more checks)
but im at 47% so thats fine
if i dont have the laser cutter tomorrow ill hint it
ancient harness
Alright, semi-BK mode for me. I have the biggest and hardest level open to me but I ain't going in there until I'm well equipped
midnight depot
Hi
A little OoT before DnD
I got double defense, lens of truth, slingshot, nayru's love, serenade of water, goron's bracelet, sun's song, killed by ice traps, hookshot, megaton hammer, fire arrows, silver gauntlets, din's fire, a bow, and nearly doubled my health
Thanks, everyone!
Plenty of checks to do https://i.imgur.com/k3YH5V2.png
How convenient https://i.imgur.com/dM0iwpt.png
weary lagoon
wow
midnight depot
I think I may have set keys to be local so it's not a huge surprise
midnight depot
Just big keys for me
Is there a way to kill these guys without bombs? https://i.imgur.com/rmBFvOD.png
No, there is not
weary lagoon
if you run laps around it, it might get dazzed and kill itself
midnight depot
No that's the other eye enemy
Hint: My hookshot is in East chest near pots https://i.imgur.com/oHeHMpM.png
I got bombchus!
My son is also named Bort https://i.imgur.com/bZKQL2k.png
Invulnerability to Wcctnoam. Should be a little helpful for the start of the level
ancient harness
Fuck
I don't have a great use for it right now, but there's a few locked levels I could use it on at the beginning
midnight depot
Better wait before you play then
"They say that inside Jabu Jabu, one can find Jabu Jabu's Belly."
ancient harness
weary lagoon
thats true and uh thats true
midnight depot
How does one even teach bombs
Hint: Water temple is water temple https://i.imgur.com/Xjvo8PC.png
weary lagoon
thats not fun
midnight depot
Yeah it should've been randomized to something else
How does one reach the platform across from here? https://i.imgur.com/Wsuh6z2.png
ancient harness
From the other side
midnight depot
Yeah
The Darunia entrance is closed. I don't have an ocarina, and the logic does not take bombchus into account
ancient harness
That's a hammer boulder anyway
midnight depot
I tried jump hammering it but it takes two hits to break
ancient harness
Bolero is the other option
midnight depot
No songs!
ancient harness
Do you have hover boots?
midnight depot
No hover boots either, but I figured it out!
After jump hammering, you get a grace period where you can jump hammer again
ancient harness
Huh
midnight depot
That allowed me to reach it twice before I fell into the lava and reset
midnight depot
Hi. DnD is over for tonight, so I have a little bit of time to play Blasphemous
ancient harness
Go get my shotgun
weary lagoon
Did you do any dungeons or kill any dragons
ancient harness
He did a lot of &
midnight depot
So many items I can't even count them
Yeah this session was just talk
But we did meet a dragon
ancient harness
I got a lot of stuff with numbers in parenthesis
I assume the bigger the number the better
midnight depot
Tears of Atonement is money
ancient harness
Is 18000 a lot
ancient harness
I got that and a 9000 at least
ancient harness
I'd accept a plasma rifle too...
midnight depot
I got you partial invisibility
midnight depot
Now all you need is a chainsaw
midnight depot
Yeah the way berserk works is silly, since you only keep it for the level and in Archipelago you swap levels a lot
ancient harness
And you lose it if you go to the hub and back
But truthfully, I'm realising just how cost-effective the SSG is. Most enemies die with 1-4 shots, which is at most 8 out of 50/100 ammo.
Chaingun is constantly running out, and rockets and cells are effective but precious and rare
The game really is built around the SSG and an abundance of shells
midnight depot
The SSG is the best weapon overall
ancient harness
Always has been, I knew that
I just didn't realise that if you take it out, you're constantly running low on ammo
midnight depot
This game is too big
Ah okay, this boss is not useful https://i.imgur.com/Bh28tqU.png
???
What are you doing inside the wall, idiot?
This guy to the right is backwards https://i.imgur.com/suyBSdx.png
Just don't randomize these enemies. They all break
That's enough for tonight
I got lots of trash and little else
fresh hill
lol, I enjoy the occasional "broken" enemy due to randomization
since you also get the occasional enemy that's almost overpowered in the terrain where they spawned
midnight depot
It's funny the first time but the novelty wears off fast
ancient harness
That, to my surpise, turned out to be the biggest difficulty increase in the Doom 2 rando
It doesn't switch any enemy for any enemy, thank god. It categorises them between small, medium and large and switched them randomly within those categories.
I knew that "Large" would only be Mastermind and Cyberdemon.
But I've regretfully learned that Chainsawman is medium
midnight depot
Fucking pain elementals everywhere
ancient harness
I think it was deliberately chosen because god-damn does it allow for a lot of chaos
Yeah
Pain Elementals, cacodemons, either of the * of hell, revenants
I mean, medium is 80% of the enemies in Doom 2
Small would only be zombieman, Sargeant and imp. Maybe Demon
midnight depot
I'm mostly annoyed by pain elementals and archviles
ancient harness
I'm not sure where Demon and its invisible version falls
Archvile is 100% a medium
Trust me I only have like 10 levels available to me and I already feel like I've seen every Pain Elemental and half the Archviles in the game
midnight depot
If you think about it, ReDead have their own Link-paralyzing song, just like Link has a ReDead-paralyzing song.
weary lagoon
hey everyone lets play some oot
Forest temple is shadow temple, probably cant do a lot here
midnight depot
I also have some OoT to play
Hint: They say the Ocarina of Time teaches Artiks a Zora Scale
midnight depot
Not a fan of the chicken clip?
https://i.imgur.com/X5j5QS4.png is this possible to get as adult link without bombs or hover boots?
For some silly reason, using a hookshot doesn't work
midnight depot
That's fair
weary lagoon
the point is to find items to get places
midnight depot
The tracker marks both this and https://i.imgur.com/DjuKOi7.png as unavailable
Though they feel possible
weary lagoon
hookshot that one?
midnight depot
It goes through
My jump range is just a bit short. I almost grabbed the cliff once but slipped
Ah well, I'm only here for a skulltula.
Major key for yay
weary lagoon
im in waiting mode now
probably a few important things behind ixrecs 1% game
@fresh hill
midnight depot
Bow shooting gallery had trash
weary lagoon
can you send me your bow so I can beat the game
midnight depot
No but you can play through my seed instead
Oh, it's a lot easier to get on top of Impa's house than I thought
Dodongo's Cavern leads to spirit temple!
Without zelda's lullaby, bombs, hover boots I can't do much
weary lagoon
child part only needs the slingshot, sticks and keys
midnight depot
Yeah! I'm here as adult for now
I'd need to spend a bomb to get inside Dodongo's cavern as child link
Which means while I can use a bombchu, it's out of logic
midnight depot
TIL pots can have replacement shields for you
Why are places on the map blinking? https://i.imgur.com/vbhaLUe.png
I see Death Mountain, Lost Woods, Deku Tree and Zora's Domain
Coincidentally all places where I have "checks" left