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#Archipelago Multiworld Multi-game Randomizer
midnight depot
weary lagoon
Im sitting one out
lament tusk
sorry, how does this work?
midnight depot
Hi
lament tusk
i am interested
midnight depot
You set up your randomizer, and then connect to a remote server that organizes everything. You'll find items in your game that belong to other players
fierce vale
depending on game, its super easy to setup, and usually has settings to make the game easier if desired
midnight depot
It's fun! See the pins for a general guide, pick a game (or more) from https://archipelago.gg and ask me questions about how to join
lament tusk
ok, ill look into it
i've been meaning to try an OOT, MM, WW orTP randomizer for ages
midnight depot
In order to join, you'll need to do two things:
1- Make sure the game works if you set it up on your own. I can help you with this one.
2- Send me a YAML file, so I can include you in the randomization. This is easier if you do 1 first.
Of these games only OoT is supported.
fierce vale
wait, i need a second version of bizhawk since this one requires 2.8 not 2.7
midnight depot
See https://archipelago.gg/games for a list of games.
fierce vale
theres also a couple more on the discord of questionable reliability, i've played a "a hat in time" and will be playing a pokemon emerald
midnight depot
Yeah. Probably best not to include .apworld games yet because they're harder to set up
fierce vale
fair enough
fresh hill
I like the term "experts-only"
I'm still sticking to actually-on-the-website's-list games myself
lament tusk
when setting up OOT, it tells me i need to use bizhawk 2.7 but they go up to version 2.9.1
should i use 2.7 or does it not matter?
fresh hill
I found out the hard way yesterday that it really matters
fierce vale
2.7 is generally used because its the one everyone uses
lament tusk
ok then
midnight depot
Definitely use 2.7
You can get it working with 2.9 but we have not figured out how
warm walrus
Is it okay if I don't set up my game until tomorrow? I have work today.
warm walrus
Neat.
midnight depot
I'm going to start it as soon as I wake up on Saturday
fierce vale
heya flitter, apparently theres also a lua script that can be genned by the server for pokemon emerald (i think?)
lament tusk
i'll be busy most of saturday im afraid but when im done ill be free to play whenver
midnight depot
You mean this one?
fierce vale
its just the bizhawk connection script
fierce vale
yup, thanks!
midnight depot
i'll be busy most of saturday im afraid but when im done ill be free to play whe...
The game is completely asynchronous! Play whenever you like (but please make sure you finish the whole game by September 30th)
When you start your game, you will get all items that players found for you while you are offline
lament tusk
sure im just saying that i wont be able to find everyone elses items while im away playing boardgames on day one
midnight depot
That's fine. Don't worry about it
lament tusk
do you run these every month btw? because i'd love to run a simpler randomizer oot first then a more complex one next month
midnight depot
No, I run them when there's sufficient interest and I think I can handle organizing them, but as long as everyone's interested I think I'll run a november game.
Here are my settings if you're looking for recommendations
#1119170161518334004 message
That was the first time I ever played OoT and they went well
fresh hill
iirc the one starting tomorrow is our 3rd so far?
midnight depot
Your third so far
You skipped one
Here are my rooms: https://i.imgur.com/ndDhMDC.png
fresh hill
I only remember doing one before 
midnight depot
06-24 had a seven player game, 07-01 had a five player game and 08-11 had a nine player game. (Each "player" is a randomized game)
https://archipelago.gg/room/mAogk0vQS0uEjeWHGR6x6w This one includes you.
https://archipelago.gg/room/Ci6yOSUlSuuKljOnd9ViMQ This one doesn't.
https://archipelago.gg/room/hnNyD_H_RXCPPW4GavxmHQ This one doesn't.
fresh hill
huh, I completely missed the July one
lament tusk
i dont think i need to select every game when installing the archipelago client, do i?
fresh hill
nope
fresh hill
(several of those options require having the associated roms so you definitely don't want them all)
midnight depot
Let me package it for you
midnight depot
You need the exact version
lament tusk
yeah 1.0
midnight depot
Yes. If you run into trouble, it's this one
lament tusk
ill probably just use that one then
fierce vale
i did play 3 games in the 9 person one to be fair
midnight depot
This time around I'll play Hollow Knight and Ocarina of Time
lament tusk
ok there are a lot of options
there are presets marked "for players" that ignore the generator and server section, i dont think i need those?
midnight depot
You mean the templates
lament tusk
probably
midnight depot
Can you take a screenshot?
lament tusk
literally wont let me expand any more
midnight depot
Get the Ocarina of Time ROM setup
lament tusk
uh
midnight depot
Other than that your checks are fine
midnight depot
You can launch Bizhawk through Steam and then use any controller you like
lament tusk
sure but GC is the mosst authentic feeling
i dont have an N64 controller
midnight depot
I've amended the game rules to address an issue I had with the previous game.
Oh, and one more thing. Please don't join unless you can commit to playing at least a little bit every three days. It's very frustrating for everyone to be stuck because you didn't play and your world has the one item the whole game needs to proceed.
lament tusk
oh, it was still plugged into my pc from when i was emulating TP... 6 months ago? lol
midnight depot
You need to clean your room
lament tusk
and im free every 3.1 days, hope thats not an issue
midnight depot
It's not going to be an issue unless everyone is stuck unable to get any new items because you don't have the time to launch the game.
fresh hill
which depends on the size of the game and how much of it you play each time and so on
might be best not to pick a specific number
iirc OoT is relatively large though?
midnight depot
Yeah. In practice, Ocarina of Time will take you ~30 hours collectively
lament tusk
(i was joking, i am free to put in atleast a few hours most days for the forseeable future)
midnight depot
Usually 15 minutes a day is fine
lament tusk
also i think i fucked something up? unless OOT was supposed to look like minecraft:
lament tusk
the sound bugs out too
midnight depot
Okay, uh
lament tusk
yeah i just wanted to get the rom to work first
midnight depot
Follow the guide to set up your emulator correctly
fresh hill
is that not what it normally looks like?
lament tusk
the sound is also crunchy
weary lagoon
It does look that bad when played on modern monitors
midnight depot
weary lagoon
theres mods/skins that makes it look like how we saw it when we were 7 years old
midnight depot
The sound can be fixed
Here are my display settings https://i.imgur.com/9YjrAf4.png
I definitely recommend 1:1 ratio or recommended ratio, as well as integer scaling. hq2x or scanlines are good. Bilinear filtering is fine if you like it. You can increase the prescale if you like.
Here are my sound settings: https://i.imgur.com/R7cjB4N.png
fierce vale
i'm having some trouble with pokemon emerald, how do i generate the lua localy (is there a guide for it somewhere)
midnight depot
And my plugin settings https://i.imgur.com/vh6JZ45.png
midnight depot
<:NamazuThink:453001160698232834> i'm having some trouble with pokemon emerald, ...
You don't! It comes with archipelago. Install archipelago 0.4.2
And this is what my game looks like https://i.imgur.com/OMYYLJA.png
lament tusk
hmm, the emulator wont see my GC controller
guess ill have to try using it via steam like you suggested
fierce vale
You don't! It comes with archipelago. Install archipelago 0.4.2
i shall go on my merry ventures trying to find it
(is it worth checking if a 0.4.2 server works with older clients)
midnight depot
I know newer clients work with older servers
fierce vale
🤘
sage dawn
Going to participate but definitely doing something smaller this time.
What I picked seemed managable initially, but then work got bad
midnight depot
That's good! I love playing with you even if it seemed you had bitten more than you could chew
I'm still interested in finishing up the August game, by the way.
My Hollow Knight game needs one more item and I can wrap up
lament tusk
what did you pick?
sage dawn
Not sure yet.
lament tusk
i meant last time
midnight depot
Last game I did Hollow Knight and a simple OoT
lament tusk
i do want to do that
sage dawn
It was fun until I had about two consecutive weeks at work where I needed to work late.
lament tusk
but ill stay with a simple oot one this time for now
midnight depot
Don't do allsanity unless you have 120 hours
lament tusk
no comment
midnight depot
Any recommendations?
What are you in the mood for?
sage dawn
Like fuck man I love rando but if I'm working until seven every night I just want to lie down
midnight depot
Yeah, that makes perfect sense
sage dawn
In the mood for a more open game, I guess. Maybe I run Minecraft and SM64? Both are pretty chill as long as I turn stuff off in Minecraft
midnight depot
Hollow Knight
sage dawn
Haven't finished my casual run yet and don't want spoilers
midnight depot
Okay!
sage dawn
Wish the rando support SotN
fierce vale
🙏 be the change you wanna see in the world
midnight depot
SotN is in development
fresh hill
speaking of games I need to play casually 
sage dawn
Hell yeah
midnight depot
All right, gonna get a ramwatch going sometime this week and seeing if I can pin down the ram locations for ap items/relics. I'm going to be marking down each item/location with the following info:
Vanilla item name
Ram address for check
What is required to get it
Name of location (might ask for help on this one.) + area
DoesNotRespawn```It's still early
sage dawn
It's not being built off the existing sotn rando?
fresh hill
great username
sage dawn
Also yes
midnight depot
It is but archipelago integration requires a script that adds items to you when you receive them
lament tusk
i forgot how long the opening to OOT was
im just loading it up to see if i've set the controller in a comfortable way to play
fierce vale
my pokemon emerald isnt connect through the lua, i might end up swapping it to a hat in time one again, though i'll keep trying for now
lament tusk
ok so archipaelego thing is intalled, rom functions without any serious ssues as far as i can tell
i think the audio problems were because i had a second copy of the emulator running
midnight depot
Makes sense
lament tusk
now the yaml file
midnight depot
You can generate YAML files through a game's setting page
Or simply edit the one I gave you
When you're done, do export settings first and hand me the file, then do generate game to generate a test game you can try
lament tusk
there are a LOT of settings
midnight depot
It's a limited subset of the normal randomizer's settings
fresh hill
randomizers have a LOT of settings
midnight depot
I'm available to provide input on specific settings
fresh hill
but the defaults are probably fine for someone's first time randomizing the game
Flitter: how close to default were the HK settings you gave me?
midnight depot
No clue
View the page in incognito and find out
Archipelago does not provide a way to reset a settings page to defaults
lament tusk
ok i made a yaml file, but all its tellimg me to do with it is to give it to you
i assume i need to put it somewhere on my system but i dont know where?
midnight depot
Nope
lament tusk
oh i give you the file and you make a thing
i see it
im not sure if i will regret these options but they're there
fresh hill
yep, the core setup of an Archipelago game is "everyone give Flitter a .yaml file"
midnight depot
Your setup will have four components:
The group, hosted by Archipelago and managed by me.
The client, run by you and connected to the group.
The LUA file, run by you and connected to the client.
The game, run by you and connected to the LUA file.
fresh hill
do the emulated games always involve the emulator running a lua script?
midnight depot
The ones I know of
fresh hill
until yesterday I had no idea emulators had to care about mod support but it's cool that so many of them do
lament tusk
yeah modded roms have been a thing for a very long time
midnight depot
Bizhawk is designed from the ground up with tool support in mind
lament tusk
i had never heard of bizhawk before today
midnight depot
Which is why I'm recommending it and not RetroArch right now
midnight depot
i had never heard of bizhawk before today
It's a TAS emulator. Focused on accuracy and speedruns rather than general experience
fresh hill
still weird that we couldn't get LttP working with RetroArch
midnight depot
Well I haven't tried to get alttp working with RetroArch because it's the worst to configure
lament tusk
It's a TAS emulator. Focused on accuracy and speedruns rather than general exper...
ah, makes sense
fresh hill
any chance BizHawk has a "always run this lua script when you get asked to load this rom" setting so I don't have to keep repeating that part?
weary lagoon
good question I should have asked that before loading it 50 times
midnight depot
--luaconsole Opens the Lua console --lua=[path] Opens a Lua console and starts the specified script
Add these to the steam client
Keep in mind the LUA script can be finicky, so I always load the game client first, then the game, then the lua script in this order, giving each time to finish loading.
fresh hill
"the steam client"? I was talking about LttP
midnight depot
Well I'm assuming you use steam to launch bizhawk so it can recognize any controller
If you don't use steam, just make a shortcut instead
fresh hill
was I supposed to do something with steam and bizhawk
I just downloaded it and double-clicked emuhawk like all the instructions said
midnight depot
I was not gonna mention it if you weren't running into trouble
But my controller does not get recognized by Bizhawk unless I run it through Steam
fresh hill
oh, my controller was fine
fresh hill
but if you say the lua's finicky then I'll just deal with manually loading it each time, I was gonna aim for fewer longer sessions anyway
lament tusk
my GC controller doesnt get picked up by my PC unless i run dolphin
midnight depot
You could also keep the emulator running
fresh hill
I want to say no I can't but I can't actually think of a reason
it's not like it'll mess up my Steam play time metrics
midnight depot
Steam is optional. These are general shortcut arguments
Windows has them too
(You will have to disconnect and reconnect with the archipelago client, and also do a soft reset each time you start a new session because the website turns off unused servers)
fresh hill
right, I'll decide how much I want to optimize this after the game's generated and I have the appropriate .aplttp to fiddle with
you're probably right that I can just leave bizhawk running forever and that's fine in practice
lament tusk
when would you be free for running a test server flitter?
midnight depot
Right now
In fact
You can run a test server yourself. Instead of exporting the YAML file, press "Generate Game" and it'll make a randomized singleplayer test game.
lament tusk
oh ok
midnight depot
I recommend this tracker for Ocarina of Time
Very customizable, archipelago compatible, and automatic
fresh hill
come to think of it, the LttP setup instructions didn't mention a tracker
midnight depot
Emotracker should have one
fresh hill
I might not bother since my screen is already pretty crowded
midnight depot
An automated tracker from pop tracker is in the works, but
https://fabioyk.github.io/lttp-rando-tracker/tracker_map.html should work too
(It's manual)
fresh hill
that's right, Archipelago also has some generic text-only tracking stuff on the site I used before, that might be all I need
midnight depot
A good tracker for newbies will let you know which checks you can access
fresh hill
oh, I'm used to trackers listing major items but not every possible check
well we can fiddle with that later
I've got enough learning curves with this setup as it is
now I'm gonna do some more hat in time death wishes (death hats?) to get that out of my system before tomorrow
midnight depot
Have fun
lament tusk
wait so i need to open the lua console, load the archipelago/data/lua file every time i load oot up?
lament tusk
so yes i do
midnight depot
Yes. You can use the shortcut I recommended earlier to do it
lament tusk
not the end of the world or anything but still a pain
midnight depot
--luaconsole Opens the Lua console --lua=[path] Opens a Lua console and starts the specified script
You don't have to choose this game if it's a hasssle
None-emulator games don't require as much work
lament tusk
`--luaconsole
Opens the Lua console
--lua=[path]
Opens a Lua console and starts ...
so for this, i select emuhawk in steam, and add these two options to the launch options menu, one right after the other without the description between them?
lament tusk
so it would be
--lua=C:\ProgramData\Archipelago\data\lua\connector_oot.lua
right?
lament tusk
man its weird playing oot on a modern controller
im habitually moving the right controllstick to move the camera, only to get a deku stick out
i tink its all working now
midnight depot
It took me like six hours to get used to it
lament tusk
really wish i could get my GC controller working, atleast i've played oot on a GC controller before
i still have my oot gc disk somewhere, i could set that up right now if i wanted
anyway
midnight depot
Is steam not compatible with the gamecube controller?
weary lagoon
no
lament tusk
its an actual GC controller, i wasnt able to get my computer to recognize it at outside of the dolphon emulator
maybe i should give it another try
weary lagoon
I had to use my gc controller for dolphin and my switch pro controller via steam for n64 games
ancient harness
Just play with keyboard 
midnight depot
Very valid option but never choose it
ancient harness
It chose me
lament tusk
fuck it too lazy to figure that out
fierce vale
i hear its good with dk bongos
lament tusk
oh i could try a steam controller
lament tusk
man its weird how the Z button is basically the left trigger on a modern controller
that was a mistake, i set it to R2 and R to R1
couldnt use my shield and z target
anyway emulator seems to be working
lament tusk
is there a way i can get steam to load the emulator with oot immidiatly? because thats the only thing i can see to make this all as painless as possible to setup and it currently tries to load the lua before oot is there and doesnt work
its an ez fix that requires almost no effort for me mind
lament tusk
ok the only thing i havent set up is the auto tracker
but i cant be bothered to do that atm
everything else is more or less working
i load up the archapelago thing, then load the emulator via steam, which autp loads the console and script
then i load the custom rom
then i restart the script (which is easier and faster than finding the script every time)
then im good to go
midnight depot
The auto tracker needs no setup
You just start it
It'll automatically detect the game you're running and what items you have
What you do sounds like it'll work
lament tusk
it does! how neat
jesus this game has pixels
dont play a game from, what, 25 years ago? on a 4k monitor
mmm tree
midnight depot
It's not supposed to look like this (unless this is really distant)
lament tusk
its really distant
lament tusk
also its fullscreened on a 4k monitor
anyway
i probably wanna tweak some randomizer settings but thats fine
but aside from that im ready i think
midnight depot
Do make sure the settings are all correct because once the game is generated there's no altering them
lament tusk
wdym i cant just halt the game on the fly and force everyone to restart? smh my head
fierce vale
i might end up swapping my emerald to something else, dunno how much debug time im gonna have before we start
eh, i'll just do hollow knight ds3, the only reason i did 3 last time was cus they were short games, ds3+hk is much longer than the 3 i did last time
fresh hill
if it matters, I'll be completely free from work by <t:1693584000> / <t:1693584000:R>, until then semi-available due to various appointments
midnight depot
Sounds good
midnight depot
All right. Good morning. Here's an update on what YAML files I have so far:
Chip DS3: #1119170161518334004 message
Chip Hollow Knight: #1119170161518334004 message
Ixrec ALttP+Blasphemous: #1119170161518334004 message
Meganought OoT: #1119170161518334004 message
Reminder to @warm walrus, @sage dawn, and @clear summit: If you're interested in joining this September game, I'll need a YAML file by the end of today. I'm available for help if you need making one or getting a game to work.
fierce vale
iwas holding out on submitting the hk one due to wanting to see how many people joined check wise
clear summit
I'm skipping this one
midnight depot
Understood!
fierce vale
i turned on the georock random, but everything else is left as you suggested 
is the map a mod or just a poptracker?
midnight depot
It's a mod
fierce vale
🤘
midnight depot
Here are all the mods I have https://i.imgur.com/pMLbz3f.png
fierce vale
thas a lotta mods
midnight depot
At a minimum you want these two plus all dependencies https://i.imgur.com/MlrKzf8.png
So that's already eleven mods
(Dependencies are enabled automatically when needed)
I recommend you reduce maximum charm price a little bit unless you want to find every single charm
midnight depot
I usually end the game with less than 33
28ish will make it so charms are not a bottleneck as you play but are still relevant
fierce vale
28 it is
midnight depot
One more decision you can make
If you randomize lore tablets, this introduces another key to the game
The mushroom charm (which allows you to read mushroom lore)
Might be fun, at the expense of adding a bunch of completely useless checks.
fierce vale
i already have a lot of checks, i probably sohuldn't add to many more
fresh hill
I'm curious whether I'll come to regret shuffling all the keys in LttP
fresh hill
like, every lore tablet you read is something you can sell to the City of Tears shop alongside hallownest seals and king idols?
midnight depot
No
fierce vale
i have found an important mod whilst looking through the possible mod list
midnight depot
Like you go to Salubra and she says, "Sure, I can sell you this triforce shard, but did you read enough fanfics about me first?"
fresh hill
ah, as a barrier to unlock the sale, not part of the transaction
fresh hill
after the grub barriers when I played HK, I consciously turned off shuffling Blasphemous' equivalent of grub-rewards; don't want someone else's item blocked on everyone else finding 30+ of my things again
midnight depot
But that's the most fun part of archipelago
fierce vale
Like you go to Salubra and she says, "Sure, I can sell you this triforce shard, ...
it just links to your ao3 account and forces you to read x words per check
midnight depot
Just make sure the cap is reasonable
fresh hill
the fun part is when someone needs a thing you can go find lol
midnight depot
the fun part is when someone needs a thing you can go find lol
Exactly
fierce vale
after the grub barriers when I played HK, I consciously turned off shuffling Bla...
you likely wouldn't enjoy hattie time then, where unlocking levels is based on people finding your time pieces
(and i presume its the same for super mario
fresh hill
I think there's been a miscommunication
of course all these games have items necessary to progression and part of the premise is we're shuffling at least some of those so all our progression depends on everyone else
fierce vale
yeah, i get it
fresh hill
what was specifically not fun about the HK shops I played with before was that most of the items I could get for other people... I couldn't do anything about, because they were barriers like "40 grubs", and most of my grubs were in other people's worlds, so I couldn't even ask someone else to go find a specific thing, it was just wait until late game and then press a button
midnight depot
Yeah, so set it to 25 grubs
fresh hill
or perhaps to put it more clearly
the shop UI is not what we love about playing Hollow Knight
but that was my primary role in the item block chains last time
midnight depot
For me it is
fresh hill
I mean it is a good UI, but I wanna jump and fight stuff 
fierce vale
that just gave me a need for a recettear archipelago, i have no idea how well it would work but
fierce vale
it does sound fun
fresh hill
anyway, what I'm after is stuff like "my Shadow Temple boss key is at your Isidora" so then me fighting an optional boss gets someone else a thing they need
midnight depot
Problem is it's Epic exclusive
And they don't do regional discounts
So I gotta pay the full fifty dollars
fierce vale
ye, its garbo ~~and i played it with 
~~
fresh hill
how many checks do you think KH2 would have? feels larger than most of what we play here
midnight depot
Less than Hollow Knight
fresh hill
I must not be imagining the right set of shuffled items
midnight depot
The randomizer version has a lot of teleports and movements and cuts the story out
I'm watching a guy play it right now
midnight depot
The relevant items are boss rewards, chest rewards and levelup rewards
fresh hill
I think I was imagining a lot of non-fixed items being involved, that makes sense
ancient harness
jhobz got norted
midnight depot
Norting needs to go the way of Norton
midnight depot
Ugh, the new Hollow Knight archipelago mod now has an extra screen every time you load the game
This is their solution for the problem we ran into earlier where the port changes and you have to edit the save to fix it
fierce vale
the hatty time one just has a command you run to reset it
midnight depot
Hollow Knight has no console
fierce vale
mod one in
midnight depot
I recommend these map settings for the new Hollow Knight map mod
(Check the text in the bottom left, bottom then top right.
lament tusk
tweaking settings for my randomiser
debating if i should randomize the kokiri sword
ancient harness
Absolutely
lament tusk
lol
alright then
im not shuffling the ocarina but i am the songs
version 2
mostly minor tweaks, made it so i dont start with maps and compass or the kid sword, more random colours, bunnyhood makes me run faster
minor stuff
midnight depot
If you randomize Kokiri sword do not open up the rest of the world or you'll never find it
lament tusk
too late
midnight depot
You'll super fucking regret it when your Kokiri sword is at the end of my Ganon's castle
lament tusk
LOL
midnight depot
And you'll have to spend sixty hours farming sticks so you can kill basic enemies
lament tusk
actually there is one thing that might be a problem, i forgot im going to a pony con on the 29th with ribbon moon
we'll probably be done by then tho and if not ill be back on the 2nd
midnight depot
It's not a big deal
If everyone plays regularly we'll be done in two to three weeks
ancient harness
The good thing about child is you can kill anything with deku sticks
weary lagoon
shuffling the kokiri sword sucks it means you throw pots to farm rupees to buy sticks that are destroyed in one hit
ancient harness
Yeah but being miserable build character
fierce vale
hey, at least you'll know what to use the first hint on
lament tusk
first hint: beat the final boss of darksouls 3 for the sword
weary lagoon
Kokiri Sword can be found at White Castle, Path of Pain end lore in ChipHK's world (not found)
fierce vale
sure, i'll rush slave knight gael level 3
weary lagoon
and yeah its not in logic so it could be at the end of someones game
midnight depot
If you make it so you need the Kokiri sword and deku shield to leave, it'll still be random but in sphere zero
midnight depot
And that's why I never randomize it
fierce vale
if you require it then then theres really no point to randomise it
midnight depot
Well it's nice to find it in the annoying guy's home
lament tusk
Bk mode?
fierce vale
unable to do anything
lament tusk
Ah
weary lagoon
Its called BK mode because you may as well take a break and go to burger king while people find your progress items
lament tusk
Aaah
i had so much burger king last month as a result
sage dawn
I'll get you a yaml file in a couple hours. Gotta get through my morning meetings at work first.
midnight depot
Okay. Here are my YAML files
For OoT, I did my best to maximize reasonable checks and minimize trash items
@lament tusk are you done with your YAML file? I have a few notes
lament tusk
sure ill take feedback before we start
midnight depot
I noticed you have set accessibility to items which means it's possible for you to get a game where some locations are completely inaccessible. I saw you also have logic_no_night_tokens_without_suns_song: 'false' which means you'll need to wait a whole day to get skulltulas before you get Sun's song.
You have shuffle_smallkeys: dungeon for small and big keys as well as the Ganon key. This will place these keys in your own world in your own dungeon, effectively turning off Archipelago multiworld functionality for them. This is fine because it's convenient but I figured you might want to know.
shuffle_ocarinas: 'false' is okay, but if you're shuffling Kokiri sword you might as well shuffle this too.
fix_broken_drops: 'false' This should always be on unless you have a good reason to desire the broken behavior.
For sound effects, I 100% recommend you set it to ear safe instead of completely random
weary lagoon
gotta shuffle the ocarina
midnight depot
The ocarina is really nice because it's a huge find but isn't too frustrating if you don't have it
lament tusk
- fair i can change that
- i dont have skultulas as part of the rando so it shouldnt matter but i can change that
- i dont want to do keysanity... yet. next time maybe.
- point, might as well. its easier to find because theres to of them
- didnt know what that one did, still dont
weary lagoon
vanilla oot has some bugged items it doesnt matter if its set to true or false
lament tusk
which items/checks?
weary lagoon
lament tusk
right i dont know what those checks are
i dont rememeber a sheild in the spirit temple or magic on GTG eye statue
i dont know what GTG is
fierce vale
well yeah you dont know them, it fixes them since they're broken in vanilla
lament tusk
oh GTG = gerudo training grounds
lament tusk
<:ppenk:681838745611141137> well yeah you dont know them, it *fixes* them since ...
thats why im asking the question!
ancient harness
Skullsanity my beloved
lament tusk
weary lagoon
Yeah, skullsanity is really good
ancient harness
If you don't know what a value does and this is your first rando it's better to leave the default
lament tusk
exactly
ancient harness
They're default for a reason
midnight depot
I have skullsanity for overworld since I don't feel like going through dungeons over and over
fierce vale
is skulsanity what means we were finding 800 golden skultulas on everyones saves the golden skultala one or something else
lament tusk
i know what rando's ARE, i've seen people play a lot of them
but this is my first time playing so i dont want an extra hundred checks this time
next time, sure
and damn straight im gonna wanna get ALL 100
midnight depot
That's dumb
Just set it to overworld only or dungeon only and you'll only need like 50ish, which is a reasonable number
Anyway, let's go back to feedback
lament tusk
hmm, do you know what i forgot to bookmark? the page to the archipaeligo stuff
midnight depot
didnt know what that one did, still dont The SFX options replace sound effects with random sound effects. This can be anything including really annoying sounds like screams or explosions.
The page is in the pins
lament tusk
oh that was the broken checks
the SFX isnt a problem, i dont always listen to the games i play
midnight depot
Well this game works best with at least some sound on
Oh, also, the reward from finding 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 skulltulas is shuffled, so you'll have to look for skulltulas anyway (if the rewards are good)
lament tusk
Oh, also, the reward from finding 10, 20, 30, 40, and 50 skulltulas is shuffled,...
yeah but 50 unrandom skulls isnt a challenge
50 random ones i dont want to deal with this time
sage dawn
midnight depot
The broken drops are just two items that are supposed to drop but don't. It's two more checks.
You can refer to this page if you run into any issues with the game
midnight depot
Oh wait I want progression balancing off
Why are you turning progression balancing off?
That's everyone. We just need @warm walrus's YAML and we can start the game.
lament tusk
just tweaking based on your suggestions
should i randomize gannon boss key? just for fun
lament tusk
whats the "on lacs" option?
midnight depot
On lacs?
lament tusk
midnight depot
That's Light Arrow Cutscene
lament tusk
oooh
midnight depot
When you get that cutscene it also gives you the key (regardless of what the other item is)
and the boss door in Ganon's Tower starts unlocked.
'Vanilla': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will appear in
the vanilla location.
'Own Dungeon': Ganon's Castle Boss Key can only appear
inside Ganon's Castle.
'Regional': Ganon's Castle Boss Key can only appear
in Hyrule Field, Lon Lon Ranch, Market, Temple of Time, Hyrule Castle,
(Outside) Ganon's Castle, and Inside Ganon's Castle.
'Overworld Only': Ganon's Castle Boss Key can only appear
outside of dungeons.
'Any Dungeon': Ganon's Castle Boss Key can only appear
inside of a dungeon, but not necessarily Ganon's Castle.
'Anywhere': Ganon's Castle Boss Key can appear
anywhere in the world.
'Light Arrow Cutscene': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will
appear on the Light Arrow Cutscene.
'Stones': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will be awarded
when reaching the target number of Spiritual Stones.
'Medallions': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will be awarded
when reaching the target number of Medallions.
'Dungeons': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will be awarded
when reaching the target number of Dungeon Rewards.
'Tokens': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will be awarded
when reaching the target number of Gold Skulltula Tokens.
'Hearts': Ganon's Castle Boss Key will be awarded
when reaching the target number of hearts.```so if i select keysanity it gets added anywhere?
midnight depot
If you set the game to Triforce Hunt, you finish instantly upon finding all of them, rather than having to fight Ganon
lament tusk
there, version 3
changed audio, ocarinas, ganon key, borken drops and timebased skulls
midnight depot
Thanks.
lament tusk
thanks for setting this up, hosting it, organizing it, dealing with my questions...
hope the game goes smoothly
midnight depot
No problem
warm walrus
That's everyone. We just need <@158056361903521793>'s YAML and we can start the ...
I don't think I'll have the time unfortunately, I'll join next month
midnight depot
Okay then. If you think you can't make a YAML by tomorrow, I'll start the game today. I look forward to playing with you next time (if I decide to host an October game)
All right. Last call before I generate
Is anyone missing any of their files? Here's a list of them for reference
weary lagoon
meanwhile on hardcore wow
weary lagoon
phase 2 is fine phase 1 is just ass
midnight depot
I hated phase 2 more than 1.
sage dawn
Why are you turning progression balancing off?
Because I don't mind being in BK mode
sage dawn
You can one cycle phase 2 if you know the stab timing.
midnight depot
It took me like five cycles because I fell off thrice
sage dawn
Oh rip
midnight depot
@fresh hill you need to have a unique name for each game.
Right now your file names are different but player name is just Ixrec
lament tusk
1xrec and 2xrec
midnight depot
I'd rather have the game name be in the player name so people know what game it is without having to check the log
midnight depot
Yeah, but probably easier to code cleanly
fresh hill
all right, because of how the save systems work in my two games, I'm gonna start by quickly doing the tutorial area of Blasphemous, then go for a long-ish LttP session
midnight depot
Check the pins for links and rules
#1119170161518334004 message
Also, thank you so much for pinning the announcement earlier, Ixrec. Could you get rid of the pin now so that the other two are accessible?
fresh hill
unpinned
midnight depot
Thanks
fresh hill
looks like that's working
fresh hill
essence of lost kin is oddly appropriate for this opening
tutorial boss down
ok I'm convinced this is fully functional
midnight depot
Let's find out if you can get items
fresh hill
oh, do we know where one of mine is? I figured I'd have to wait u-
I was gonna switch to LttP now, did you want me to stay on Blasphemous while you go to Iselda?
lament tusk
aight time to play me some OOT then
(here where i find out i broke everything)
fresh hill
right, I'm out of the starting area, switching to LttP
sage dawn
Oh my god, randomized areas and got top secret area on yoshi's house
Can't use powerups yet though
fresh hill
I think it's working
seeing a Mario star pop out of a Zelda chest is so trippy
but that's clearly working
lament tusk
do i need to type /connect [ip] every time?
lament tusk
looks like im connected
fresh hill
was I supposed to skip the whole hyrule castle intro and also have no sword?
sage dawn
Yes
fresh hill
ok cool
fresh hill
welp I nearly died to a bee and have no clue where to go
authentic early game Zelda experience
(don't tell me, I'll figure it out)
lament tusk
i has a stick
thanks whoever did that
they even spelled my name right
NICE song of time
thanks!
midnight depot
You're welcome
fresh hill
mushroom already? whoa
lament tusk
biggoron claim check too
fresh hill
ok that confirms my LttP is receiving items fine
lament tusk
i literally just woke up
sage dawn
No yump :c
fresh hill
back of the Milk Bar had chip's Deep_Focus, that's the basic healing ability right?
midnight depot
No
weary lagoon
no its a charm that changes helaing
fresh hill
aaaah
midnight depot
It makes you heal two at a time but take 60% longer
fresh hill
right I remember that now
oh no, is there no way to see what these items are without buying them?
midnight depot
They should automatically show up as hints
sage dawn
Also god help anyone who thought running death link was a good idea because I will murder you forever
fresh hill
I don't see any hints in my text client
midnight depot
I almost decided to run deathlink in secret.
midnight depot
Then fuck you I guess.
sage dawn
Good thing you didn't
midnight depot
Wait I can look at the spoiler log and tell you what the shops have
sage dawn
I am bad at smw
midnight depot
What's the area that shop is in?
fresh hill
I don't believe there are any "late game shops" in LttP so we might as well go ahead and check them all
this was the south Kakariko shop
midnight depot
Grub - 140 Rupees x 1
fresh hill
lol
midnight depot
Rancid_Egg - 60 Rupees x 1
fresh hill
wait, x1?
midnight depot
that's how the spoiler log puts it
I see a bunch of other shops that you might not be able to get to immediately
sage dawn
midnight depot
Fortunately, in an asynchronous game deathlink only sends one death to offline players
fresh hill
I am finding all of y'all's HK items
midnight depot
Thanks
fresh hill
they clearly had a lot of fun replacing all the random text
midnight depot
I think we'll be feasting https://i.imgur.com/MNM8CC9.png
weary lagoon
3 rancid eggs one grub
lament tusk
well thanks chip
fresh hill
I missed it before but thanks yay for Quirce's Scorched Bead, iirc that's very strong fire resistance I wouldn't normally have until late game
sage dawn
Oh 75 percent of my junk items are traps, and you have traps appear as major items on
Good luck
midnight depot
Traps are major items
fresh hill
since Flitter sent me 50 rupees, I'll go ahead and buy that 40 rupee egg(?) before I forget it's there
midnight depot
Thanks. I need two eggs for one of the items
I'm in danger https://i.imgur.com/HjHAE8j.png
lament tusk
oh
oh no
weary lagoon
pretty expensive
fresh hill
oh it was 60
midnight depot
I enabled a setting that adds a randomized 999 wallet
But also makes it so shop items can cost up to 999 too
fresh hill
huh, the 1st dungeon is open
guess I'll just see how much of that I can do with no items
midnight depot
lament tusk
ok with a stick and slingshot i can get TO ghoma but obly one stick wont be enough for the fight
i thought there was more checks here
oh well, im done with deku tree for now
fresh hill
I'm sorry what
sage dawn
Lantern
fresh hill
riiight, normally you get the lantern five seconds in
ok I think that's everything I have access to in dungeon 1 until I get some keys or a lantern
sage dawn
NO LITERATURE TRAP
fierce vale
mb yay
sage dawn
Lol
I fucking love the trap types in this game
Okay, I'm in soft bk mode
The only check I have left is dragon coins I really don't want to do
fresh hill
suddenly the fact that I can't carry pots to other rooms is a very serious problem lol
midnight depot
Yeah
Who decided that deku scrubs shouldn't be killable without slingshot or shield?
weary lagoon
deku nuts work on the shrub shops
midnight depot
Yeah but not on the enemy ones
sage dawn
The salesmen scrubs you can even get with a well timed jump slash
fresh hill
oh duh this is another dark room
welp I lost link
restart
this is the silliest run
but I did verify that there's only one place I could spend my hyrule castle key
lament tusk
damn this
the archery and slingshot minigames are going to be a nightmare, my controller has no sensitivity and a huge deadzone
i cant even hit the stationary target in the lost woods
midnight depot
Set them https://i.imgur.com/IQV11yX.png
fresh hill
midnight depot
This just happened to me with a deku scrub
lament tusk
oh thank you flitter
unfortunatly im out of slinghot ammo
fresh hill
oh, are the fortune tellers ever useful in rando? the one I tried just said I dunno anything but I'll take your rupees anyway
midnight depot
I don't know
fresh hill
gasp
GASP
💣
sorry you aren't getting that rancid egg yet
oh right, north side of lake hylia, what's the 90 rupee star?
midnight depot
It's okay. I don't care if you never get the rancid egg
Boss Key (Shadow Temple) - 90 Rupees x 1
fresh hill
ok so that one we want
midnight depot
Thanks for the ice trap
lament tusk
you FOOL
fresh hill
double ice trap, wow
fresh hill
good to know this NPC still serves no purpose
lament tusk
thanks for deez
midnight depot
OoT has an option for randomizing text. I should've enabled it
fresh hill
I killed a vulture with a bush and then died to a cactus
lament tusk
i thought it randomized text from other parts of the game, i didnt know what it did
ill do that next time
fresh hill
this is so dumb but I want to find my sword legit
assuming it really is here somewhere
midnight depot
You have progressive sword upgrades
So the first one should get you a sword
Ooh, I have Zelda's lullaby early. Thanks!
fresh hill
oh, so it's also possible that all my sword levels are in other worlds?
midnight depot
And fucking King's Fragment
midnight depot
oh, so it's also possible that all my sword levels are in other worlds?
Absolutely
fresh hill
nice glitch, you giving me a compass changed the star on the ground into a compass temporarily
fresh hill
thanks for the hammer
not sure if that opens up anything for me yet 
it'll be huge when I have dark world
what did I do 
fierce vale
dark souls bk'd
midnight depot
Should have chosen Early Basin of Vows
fierce vale
that doesn't appear to be an option unless i'm blind
fresh hill
and there's your boss key
lament tusk
whats geo-rock-abyss? does chip need that?
midnight depot
If it's off, you can get Basin of Vows early and fight Dancer
Geo rocks are a tiny amount of money
lament tusk
oh so no then
fresh hill
better than nothing, but never a big deal
midnight depot
Yeah, probably best
fresh hill
crows are deadly when you're unarmed
midnight depot
Meganoug got Sun's Song
midnight depot
Yeah it'll be fun
There are two ocarinas and either will get you the ability to sing
fresh hill
👀
midnight depot
I wonder if it would show Meganought's Ocarina here instead of yours
lament tusk
i think flitter's had 4 now
midnight depot
I made it so almost every junk item I have is a trap
fresh hill
this is such a tease, early hammer lets me get here
but I can't pick up the rock
(it's a dark world portal)
midnight depot
fresh hill
unlocks the Wounds of Eventide DLC, including the path to the extra bonus alternate ending
midnight depot
That sounds great
fresh hill
so my informal goal for Blasphemous just changed 
and I believe my LttP world is officially in BK status
midnight depot
Neat
fresh hill
power glove would be by far the biggest unblocker
midnight depot
So hint for it
fresh hill
sword, lantern, keys for Hyrule Castle or Eastern Palace (since I could get into those dungeons) would also be huge
how do you check hint count again?
no way, that was 10% of the game I just did?
midnight depot
10% of the items
There will be a big batch at the start where you get all the easy items
fresh hill
apparently
is there a way to look up all the item names in LttP? before I was using the site's trackers, but the site's LttP tracker doesn't use the Archipelago item codes so it's no good for !hint ing
fierce vale
that game does only have lik 240 checks
thats not that many in the grand scheme of things
fresh hill
interesting, the HK I did before had 734 checks, but your HKs this time are 695
my two games this time apparently add up to 547
I guess this means I have to work harder per-check?
which makes sense as neither of these games appear to have the equivalent of "shuffle geo rocks"
midnight depot
HK has a bug that counts Geo checks regardless of if you shuffle them
But other items are calculated more or less correctly
I'm all done with OoT
I'll play Hollow Knight later.
lament tusk
christ i cant apim precisely on controller
is there a way to set it to mouse controll maybe?
midnight depot
No
lament tusk
i tried rebinding to keyboard thinking that might help
it didnt
midnight depot
If you want to cheat, you can shift+F1 to savestate and F1 to load it. + and - change game running speed
It took me like thirty tries over multiple days to get Slingshot.
It gets easier
lament tusk
oh that would help
let me try that
oh my struggle is just aiming precisly
you mive slightly left and move half the screen
lament tusk
well im out of ammo again so it doesnt matter
midnight depot
The item you want is Progressive Glove, Ixrec
fresh hill
ah, of course that's progressive too
btw, chipknight: "Empty Bile Vessel" is basically a Heart Container for me, if you can get it
midnight depot
You also have progressive bow, but not progressive hookshot
lament tusk
hookshot! hell yeah!
fresh hill
oh wow, I completely missed this before because I never obtained this item in my casual run (it's the reward for doing NG+ with a certain opt-in debuff), but Reliquary of the Fervent Heart gives me mana regen 
thanks chip
midnight depot
Does that mean you may be forced to do NG+?
fresh hill
nah, it means I got the reward without doing NG+
midnight depot
But what replaces that check?
fresh hill
the randomizer does have an option to do the NG+ penances from the start if I want, but I did not want
oh that's what you mean
good question actually
well if one of you hints something that's a NG+ reward perhaps I'll figure out if that's an option lol
midnight depot
I could just look in the spoiler log and find out
fresh hill
couldn't hurt
yeah, my yaml has penitence: 'false'
and I'm pretty sure I walked through the room that would've let me choose the NG+ penitences if I had that option on (or was doing a vanilla NG+)
midnight depot
I have no clue what the check is named
fresh hill
the in-game terminology is "True Torment mode", with the "Penitence of Unwavering Faith", hopefully its name has one of those
midnight depot
No hits, so probably removed
lament tusk
ha, the ocarina of time check is a ball of blue wax for ixrec
fresh hill
I'm gonna assume this setting adds the three beads without requiring that I actually play the game twice
fresh hill
ha, the ocarina of time check is a ball of blue wax for ixrec
that's actually a decent bead (small max fervour/mana increase) though the reliquary I got from chip definitely outclasses it
maybe I'll actually prioritize prayers/spells this time unlike all my casual runs
lament tusk
yeah i just found it funny that the ocarina of time looks like a bal of blue wax
i need to get the spiritual stones for that check i think
fresh hill
at least I assume it'll outclass it, I'll have to fiddle with these in-game later
ah, yeah that is a funny coincidence
lament tusk
the dampe race is pissing me off, im always 3 seconds short
im a go and grab myself some food
ancient harness
Classic Dampe race
ancient harness
Easy every time if you don't have to collect every ground rupee like my dumb ass self
But it does take some getting used to the controls
fresh hill
neat, another true ending item
this might really happen
all right, chores done, pizza inhaled, time for penance
holy cow chip's Void Heart was just sitting in my hub village
more titanite! 
midnight depot
Titanite is so good
Every time I play Death's Gambit I'm infuriated by the stupid "pay twice as many to upgrade" mechanic
fresh hill
midnight depot
Unbreakable heart
Look inside
Fragile heart
midnight depot
(it's progressive)
ancient harness
Always has been
fresh hill
midnight depot
You found it
fresh hill
much sooner than I was expecting
this is, like, the first post-intro area, there's been no gating of any kind yet
ok, my first Blasphemous merchant tent has... chip's Arcane Egg, chip's Large Soul of an Unknown Traveler $3, and chip's Thorns of Agony
@fierce vale thoughts? I can buy either of the first two right now, or the third wouldn't take long
fierce vale
i forget what arcane eggs and thorns of agony do, unknown traveler is basically just a batch of xp and is fine to leave
fresh hill
arcane eggs are a sellable treasure
thorns of agony was a charm, I think the one that damages enemies who hit you?
lament tusk
im back
fresh hill
not my thing but some people like it
lament tusk
time to do dampe again
fresh hill
actually do your HK shops have a bunch of "collect 30 charms then we'll talk" barriers?
fresh hill
then I'll save for that one
fierce vale
fresh hill
good thing we didn't do death link
lament tusk
i accidentally softlocked myself behind the time stone thing :(
fuck it im a do literally anything else
midnight depot
Arcane eggs are a lot of money
fresh hill
sure, but I dunno how much money chip has right now, or how much stuff chip has available to buy for just money, etc
lament tusk
flitter do you need grubs for HK?
fresh hill
yep, think of HK grubs like skulltula tokens
lament tusk
ix what about the bouquet of tyme
lament tusk
and geo_rock_hive is just money for chip, right?
fresh hill
yep
fierce vale
theres like 500 geo of stuff i can easy buy, i dunno how many charms/other locks people have got me since
fresh hill
ok bouquet of thyme doesn't immediately do anything (in vanilla it would, but randomizer gives me that effect by default) so in practice it's one step towards unlocking a rosary knot (extra passive buff slot, kinda like charm notches)
so, it'd be nice, but not a priority
lament tusk
ok i bought the grub then
the grub cost 50 rupees, geo 35, but the bouquet was 85
*95
fresh hill
yeah definitely grub then
lament tusk
doable tho, i have a bottle now so i can eazy get money
fresh hill
ok I've got enough to buy chip's charm
lament tusk
?
midnight depot
Up two or three levels from the exit of Dodongo's cavern
You may need to plant a bean at the exit first
It has 26 rupees every time you enter
midnight depot
Okay
fresh hill
I lost my arch connection
lament tusk
im having server connesction issues too
fresh hill
that's an oddly specific error
lament tusk
same
fresh hill
is it safe for me to fight this boss while the connection's down?
heck, if it causes weirdness Flitter will fix it, I wanna see if it handles this well
also I wanna do the boss fight
midnight depot
Just refresh the page and reconnect
ancient harness
You can do anything while the connection is down
When connection is reestablished it will sync
midnight depot
Don't do anything while the connection is down
fresh hill
uh
ancient harness
Works fine with OOT.
midnight depot
It might cause issues with some games where archipelago won't realize you got a new item
Looks like the website is down!
Joke's on me for not self hosting, I guess
fresh hill
I also get a 502 from the site
midnight depot
It's scheduled maintenance
lament tusk
so no more playing tonight?
midnight depot
blue is a site administrator. I assume 0.4.2 is going live.
I don't know how long it'll take. This never happened before since we started playing
lament tusk
well its not just me so ill call it for tonight
midnight depot
Have a good night
fresh hill
"fortunately" the boss killed me
was close though, without the distraction I might've had it "first" try
looks like the website is back
midnight depot
It's back
fresh hill
my text client still won't connect though
midnight depot
Might need to update to 0.4.2
fresh hill
my Blasphemous game did connect
midnight depot
Then you don't need the client. Look at the log file instead
fresh hill
but I like the client
midnight depot
Fair warning, part of the site failed to compile so there'll be another restart
Whenever they figure it out
fresh hill
oh
midnight depot
It's not an essential part so it could be days
But it does strike me as odd. Do they not have a staging environment?
fresh hill
or CI
https://github.com/ArchipelagoMW/Archipelago/releases I see significant changes for about half of the games we're playing
hopefully it's smart enough not to break already generated games
lament tusk
well if we ahve to restart that would suc but its literally just day 1 so whatever
fresh hill
iiuc the text client was never strictly mandatory so I doubt that
midnight depot
I should have waited until tomorrow
midnight depot
Well we could just keep going in this game
The changes are nice but not essential
fresh hill
yeah I don't think anyone was suggesting the updates are important enough to warrant abandoning our game
lament tusk
oh ok
midnight depot
Undertale, Mega Man Battle Network 3, Terraria and the original Doom
These are all interesting but mostly Mega Man
Wow, that page has like two settings
Neither Emerald nor a Hat in Time made it
fresh hill
it's working perfectly fine for me
midnight depot
Good now stop posting screenshots or I'll have to play Blasphemous
fresh hill
huh, my text client lost connection again but the game and site are fine
oh and I died
ok that last item I picked up is not in the site tracker
unsure if I should be worried
midnight depot
Good night
fresh hill
oh the site pages I'm looking at all say "periodically", it's probably fine
just picked up one of chip's whispering roots, if chip's still playing and can verify it got sent
and chip's simple key
finally made it out of that area and back to a save point
gonna stop there just in case there's more weirdness than my text client not mentioning things and continuing would make it worse
fierce vale
i'm to eepy at the moment to play hk, im playing the much more relaxed factorio
fresh hill
fair, but if you also run the text client and yours was behaving better you might've seen the message about it
if Flitter wants to check stuff next time they're on, I believe the most important items I found after stuff seemed fixed and I started playing again were chip's Simple Key and my own Holy Wound of Compunction; I haven't seen the site or my text client update since the boss fight so I'm worried those two (and some less important ones) are in a weird state
anyway, there's probably a lot more I could do in both of my games, but until we're confident things are working again I'll stop here for tonight
fresh hill
ah, I just needed to tell the game to reconnect to the multiworld, and it immediately fixed itself
I don't think anyone else was playing during the update, but if you were, just reconnecting your game should suffice
still, all that distraction kinda killed my playing mood so I'm gonna pick this back up tomorrow
midnight depot
Time to play some Hollow Knight
Bow to me, Hidden Station stag to me, silver grape and blood perpetuated in sand to Ixrec, Ocarina to Meganought (Big!)
midnight depot
Thanks for finding my Kingsfragment earlier and making the first level so much harder
Now fuck you too https://i.imgur.com/itlkKB1.png
weary lagoon
lmao
fresh hill
nice, Blood Perpetuated in Sand makes some otherwise intangible platforms tangible, which unlocks a bunch of small but otherwise inaccessible areas for me
and Aubade of the Nameless Guardian is my first prayer/spell, so I can finally do some spellcasting
and the Holy Wound you just found is my 2nd of 3, they're like OoT's three spiritual stones where I need them all to reach the second half of the game/world
midnight depot
Neat
fresh hill
empty flask is a max health upgrade for me
is OoT the only game we have with a "Graveyard"?
midnight depot
Hollow Knight has many graveyards but none named graveyard
fresh hill
that was my thought too
bought the Arcane Egg from yesterday now that I have plenty of spare cash
sweet, that's a prayer I actually have enough fervour to cast at my current stats
I died so many times to these particular spikes and ladders on my first playthrough 
but now I made it first try and found my own hookshot
oooh, I think that's in my world, and someone found me the item to unlock it already
apparently I can't unlock it yet, I think this sidequest works differently in the randomizer
midnight depot
That's all of my Hollow Knight
fresh hill
28%, nice
midnight depot
I got a Deku shield for Meganought, Progressive Powerup for yay, Blue potion bottle for Ixrec, Cane of Somaria for Ixrec, Quick Slash for Chip, Coiled Sword Fragment (!) for Chip
Now I can probably play a little Ocarina of Time before Pathfinder
fresh hill
can I do anything early game with cane of somaria...
fresh hill
and I just reached my second merchant tent
chip's Salubra's Blessing for 800, my Bombs (3) for 1200 (pfff hahaha), and Flitter's Queens Gardens Stag for 5000
I only have 1490 on me so the stag isn't happening quite yet, how useful is that for you?
midnight depot
Might be essential, might be useless
It's more checks
I might not get another way to Queen's Garden
fresh hill
ok but you don't already have a way into queen's garden so you can't rule out its usefulness
right
weary lagoon
Whats everyones favorite check in OoT?