Geometry Dash

[sharp idol]

what

look at vsc

or old allegiance

the deco 100% contributes there

deco can contribute to difficulty 100000%

[topaz prairie]

read more

i said it depends

but in most cases it doesnt unless the creator is being silly

play a random level right now and think if the decoration made that harder

[sharp idol]

i get you but

without the context of the specific level in that reddit comment i can see it getting downvoted

implying that unilaterally deco cannot make a level harder is just wrong

[topaz prairie]

yeah but the comment suggests that its a level that isnt decorated yet, and that decorating it will guaranteed bump the difficulty up

disagreeing with that is entirely fair

[sharp idol]

i mean if its using 2.2 effects pawhaps

[topaz prairie]

keyword: if

[sharp idol]

like 3rror or whatever its called

i suppose

[topaz prairie]

if is exactly what ive been saying the whole time

[sharp idol]

ok so we dont have the context to make a proper assessment then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i really dislike deco that actively makes a level harder btw

stupid concept imo

[topaz prairie]

exactly

my point is calling someone out for the notion that decoration 100% increases difficulty is fair

just saying "easy demon after decorating" is literally making an assessment without context

im not saying it 100% does or doesnt contribute difficulty

[sharp idol]

i guess

im just gonna go look at the post

[topaz prairie]

perhaps

maybe there will be more context that can help

[sharp idol]

lol you kinda got cooked

it seems like the reason they think deco will contribute to it becoming easy demon is sightreadability but idk??

there isnt much context

https://www.reddit.com/r/geometrydash/s/SjEhJK0rH5

[topaz prairie]

ok so yeah its just a layout in which case the degree to which the decoration would make it harder cant be stated one way or another

[sharp idol]

yeah

[topaz prairie]

i will say it does look harder than 7 stars for sure

honestly ive seen easier demons in todays age already so

you might not even need blind transitions to get it there

i could see 9 stars though idk

that difficulty area is very blurry to me

[sharp idol]

easy demon feels like the biggest range of difficulty outside of extreme demon to me lmao

some easy demons will be luminescence and be 1 attemptable

then some easy demons will be sidestep

cool

[topaz prairie]

im scared to play that cuz my ass is going to die

my friend 1 attempted it and everyone says its like 6 stars

[sharp idol]

it took me more than 1 attempt

[topaz prairie]

my ass is gonna see a funky arrow jump indicator or smth and jump to my death

[sharp idol]

because i cant sight read

[topaz prairie]

understandable

[sharp idol]

eye issue

[topaz prairie]

i 1 attempted nothing (unfortunate level name)

so

i got my 1 attempt demon at least once

[sharp idol]

i 1 attempted invisible clubstep

lul

[topaz prairie]

1 attempting invisible clubstep is like beating sonic wave rebirth in 1000 attempts because you just poured 10k into sonic wave

but ill let you have it

[sharp idol]

le nuh uh

also i played brimtanic paradise or whatever

level is way too long and all the hard parts are wave

[topaz prairie]

theres like 2 waves what

its not even considered a wave level this isnt me

its considered ship

the waves are like at most allegiance 63% difficulty

but without 999 portals

[sharp idol]

63% allegiance is by far and away the hardest part of the level and why i havent beaten it

so

also i can think of 3 waves in it rn without even playing

the one at like 60 something % is the most egregious

its ok im gonna just torture myself for 20k more attempts on allegiance soon

[topaz prairie]

okii

there are waves but like

the only hard ones is that one at the start with the shit portal

and the 60% one which is just allegiance wave again

[sharp idol]

yes but that allegiance wave is why the level is so hard

i can get there semi consistently

[topaz prairie]

u can do it i belieb

i think taking a break on it is gonna pay off

[chrome fulcrum]

apparently you can 1 attempt any demon if

1. the sightreadability is very good
2. good gameplay optimization
   It seems that deco doesn't contribute the difficulty in this case 🤔
   But anyways I took the wrong way around

😭

Why I'm so fucking dumb

[topaz prairie]

howd you take it the wrong way around you just said the same thing as before no?

that deco doesnt always contribute to difficulty

[ebon ruin]

As someone with 67% on Invisible deadlocked, can confirm it absolutely can

[topaz prairie]

hey thats a lack of deco

invisible deadlocked just proves removing ALL the deco also increases difficulty

you just have to consider any object as deco and then hide it

[chrome fulcrum]

not just deco but also all gameplay elements

[vivid light]

I think this is extremely rare and generally overstated

[topaz prairie]

thats basically what im saying, in the vast majority of levels ive played decoration did not make any significant impact on difficulty

it happens but its definitely not as simple as "decoration = harder"

ig if people took it as "decoration cannot impact difficulty" that would explain the downvotes but i didnt take it that way

people do have a tendency to see things in the extreme

like if anyone is actually saying decoration has never and can never contribute to difficulty they have to be blind, but since we're all geometry dash players in here im gonna assume we have working eyes and are aware of levels like killbot or super probably level and many others like them, but idk you also have to realize your average decorated level probably doesnt have anything that would make it harder than its layout

im just kinda yapping but yeah lol idk what the big deal was about it, ig people took it a certain way

[sharp idol]

maybe its due to my poor eyesight and being generally easily overstimulated by colours and light idk

i struggled with bright parts of windy landscape

[topaz prairie]

it sounds like you're a bit of an outlier then

i havent really heard of that happening too often

*it still does

[sharp idol]

i actually think that a lot of it is that you get used to it

i have a lot less play time than most gd players

and i specifically avoid bright levels

[topaz prairie]

maybe, ive definitely heard that sentiment from people that they cant see whats going on

but i havent heard them complain that levels are too bright or anything, usually just that they dont know whats coming up or all the moving stuff confuses them etc

personally i didnt have any issues seeing where i was going with levels

[sharp idol]

idk i kinda feel the same way about deco that npesta does

[topaz prairie]

even when i was playing something bright when i was newer idk

[sharp idol]

most deco just annoys me and interferes with me reading the level

[topaz prairie]

i would be surprised if thats a common take but i get u

some things cant really be helped

[sharp idol]

yea

[topaz prairie]

especially in a case like npestas where looking at an especially bright level can literally give him a migraine

just keep it mind people be different and statements arent always meant to be taken in the most extreme 100% way

[sharp idol]

my eyes and head just hurt

not quite a migraine thougj

[topaz prairie]

i get the feeling thats probably where those downvotes came from

yea

[sharp idol]

yea

[topaz prairie]

i have pretty resilient eyes like i can look at some really bright and flashy stuff and feel fine

so the only time deco really affects gameplay for me is if i just straight up cant see the objects or if they suddenly appear before i can react

personally the thing that more often ramps the difficulty up i find is the core gameplay itself being off screen

it kind of looked like there was some of that going on in the video

or like it was getting close to that at least

[vital latch]

yeah, you're right. deco can contribute to gameplay, but it depends on the type of level you want to make. for me, if it's memory level, those are really usefull to blind the gameplay (but in proper and good way). however, if it's ordinary level that doesn't require memory muscle, mostly gameplay is more prioritized than deco

[topaz prairie]

that doesnt have anything to do with what i was talking about but true

[vital latch]

i was seeing the top message when flutter sent that image

i love how this game turned from TIG ripoff into very nerdy game XD

[chrome fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856344035421323274/1209794756469719040/QP57100.mp4?ex=65e8382a&is=65d5c32a&hm=38e55eda7a7db081a205d6d2f33efafa8be1eb7d0f889e19afec32335607c6f6&

[topaz prairie]

it was a tig ripoff but it was always better at least lol

quantum processing is scary

[vital latch]

tbh, a popular game such as Clash Of Clans also copied two other games explicitly, but no one cares because those are dead games and no one gives a shit to those. same to Candy Crush, Bejewel ripoff

COC, GD, CC are ripoffs but in good way

[chrome fulcrum]

which reminds me Golf blitz copied part of CoC UI

[vital latch]

that's Clash Royale UI apparently

[chrome fulcrum]

Oops I mixed them up

never ever played supercell franchises

[vital latch]

i have played CR only for 2 months. that game is pure pay to win

[chrome fulcrum]

and so does GB

[vital latch]

yeah i see

[chrome fulcrum]

good thing is I still have skills

[vital latch]

but CR is worse

[vital latch]

lmao

[chrome fulcrum]

-2³²

[vivid light]

it's -2^31 . .

2^32 is the number of values you can have for a 32 bit integer

when you only have positive integers the max is 2^32-1 (- 1 because you need one more value for 0)

but when you also have negative integers you'd need half of them for the negatives

so you only get 2^31

[chrome fulcrum]

Fire in the hole!

[vital latch]

i know. i broke the limit of GD intergers

literally wasting of time

i didn't speedhack, lol

almost 3 millions rolls i did

[frigid cobalt]

should i get globe

damn geode is awesome wtf

[zenith flume]

geode running absolute out of business with its free alternative mod menus

[vital latch]

i know

[topaz prairie]

nature is healing, gunslinga corridor has the correct rating

[vital latch]

ok

text

[topaz prairie]

[chrome fulcrum]

lol

[topaz prairie]

gaming

[vivid light]

waow

[topaz prairie]

[ebon ruin]

I remember when that level was #1 on the demon list for like a day

[topaz prairie]

everyone except me does

i think i only found out like a year or two later lol

i know it as the fake top 1

[frigid cobalt]

400 demons yay

[vivid light]

I should beat more levels

[zenith flume]

[chrome fulcrum]

secret coins not 164

[vital latch]

you're 1/4 demons of me

also geode is FUCKING of bug mess

next time, beat more easy demons to reach me

[frigid cobalt]

i just want to beat all the NC demons

[earnest star]

sakupen circles: oh no u dont

[vital latch]

that sounds a silly goal, but i see your passion you've released

also, geode is just shit

[chrome fulcrum]

my laptop's wifi adapter just died

[vivid light]

it's free

[chrome fulcrum]

and it died again :D

[vital latch]

its a bug mess

most of mods aren't working properly and they crashed my laptop

[chrome fulcrum]

4 demons beaten today

[topaz prairie]

finally lol, 5626 attempts

[ebon ruin]

neat

[vital latch]

yes

[fierce bloom]

W level

[chrome fulcrum]

who hasn't added me in gd

[frigid cobalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688152409788252164/1215450112118095882/image.png?ex=65fccb20&is=65ea5620&hm=5cfeceb85c9ab80bb3e6e2a098570261fe53c65956b30deecf2c6aa3a6191865&

OMG REPLAY MOD

[vital latch]

20 demons in a day again, lol

[chrome fulcrum]

oi, back to grind

btw

[vital latch]

snoic

[vital latch]

btw i made a thread about clash of clans and clash royale

[chrome fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwoPZQ_jaTE

[normal vault]

hello gd players

[topaz prairie]

[vivid light]

hello

[zenith flume]

[topaz prairie]

helo

[normal vault]

best pon

[topaz prairie]

ahem

[normal vault]

goner is your hardest?

cool

[topaz prairie]

yes

[normal vault]

im going for requiem i have 77 + 50-100x3

[topaz prairie]

im working on Bx20 for a vid rn

[normal vault]

lol

[topaz prairie]

i have 88% and 17-100

[normal vault]

my current hardest is athanatos hehe

[topaz prairie]

i like that level

[vivid light]

do runs even count for a level multiple times in a row

[topaz prairie]

hm?

[normal vault]

i had a bad experience but i do like it

[normal vault]

i guess

cause i did do 50-100 3 times

[topaz prairie]

it seemed impossible and terrible until i played it lol

totally surprised me

[normal vault]

i started taking it seriously when i did drop to 100

[topaz prairie]

i think its my favorite hell level ive done

[normal vault]

or like 52-100

i beat it in 9 days

in 17k

[topaz prairie]

dang

[normal vault]

so far i have 20k on requiem

and 20k on flutterwonder

which i have 53 on

[topaz prairie]

i have 38 on flutterwonder lol

[normal vault]

nice

[topaz prairie]

id like to do it one day but idk when

[normal vault]

i even have dag added

[zenith flume]

smile hd by dagyt when

[normal vault]

and he commented on my 53 video hehe

[topaz prairie]

neat

[normal vault]

real

i also have 74 on ethereal artifice and 36-100

thats another thing im going for

also 36 + 32-100 on berserk

[topaz prairie]

i want to do that level but its so confusing for me lol

[zenith flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkk16VyMgno

[topaz prairie]

i dont feel like learning

[normal vault]

dude this is crazy

[topaz prairie]

i am not doing that lmao

my hardest challenge is radiation

[zenith flume]

shame he only did the endscreen

this was nearly 3 years ago too rip

[normal vault]

i dont do challenges

i only did flutterwonder cause brony hehe

[topaz prairie]

i used to do challenges but i havent really been into em the past year

[normal vault]

he should come back to it but nerf it

[topaz prairie]

i wanna get back into it and do more but ive been focusing heavily on improving with extreme demons

[normal vault]

yeah since im on break im getting back to requiem

[topaz prairie]

Bx20 will be the 5th thing ive added to my top 10 in just 2 months

[normal vault]

i did 50-100, 67-100 and got 57 today

just wish i had more motivation hehe

[zenith flume]

im a stargrinder/demongrinder mostly but i have a few extremes nothing too crazy though

[normal vault]

yeah ive seen

[zenith flume]

hardest is turbulent valley by twisterdude161 (cool level pleas play)

[normal vault]

iirc you actually have quite a bit

[normal vault]

ill consider

btw do you know Jamming?

[zenith flume]

i do

he comments on my videos

[normal vault]

nice

[topaz prairie]

i have, a few extremes

[normal vault]

he has like 45 on wasureta and he hasnt even beaten cata yet

[normal vault]

thats insane

i only have 9 lol

[zenith flume]

brah

[topaz prairie]

i love beating everything lol

[normal vault]

i wanna do requiem for my 10th

but i did fluke moment from 53

which was insane

[topaz prairie]

bloodbath was my 10th

[normal vault]

i only spent like 4k

[normal vault]

it was my 3rd extreme

[topaz prairie]

realistically i couldnt do anything else

[zenith flume]

i beat bloodbath when deimos was hack updated to it lmao

[normal vault]

wow

i remember

[topaz prairie]

my 3rd extreme was allegiance

[zenith flume]

i have not beaten the actual one yet

[normal vault]

wait was it the itshybrid deimos?

[zenith flume]

yeah

[normal vault]

cause i remember that actually

lol

[topaz prairie]

i dont remember that lol

[normal vault]

i do

i tried to beat it but idk why i didnt

[zenith flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpi_eHfMNhU

[topaz prairie]

the only milestone demon i have planned right now is low death for my 69th extreme

for obvious reasons

[normal vault]

LOL

[topaz prairie]

fire

this texture pack is something

[zenith flume]

yeahh

[normal vault]

you know i wish i had an octavia texture pack

or even a fluttershy texture pack

[zenith flume]

i have a octavia icon set kinda rn

[normal vault]

i made on

[zenith flume]

i was thinking of making a texture pack for it but i cant think of anything good

[topaz prairie]

a maud texture pack would go crazy

[normal vault]

rocks everywhere

[zenith flume]

like putting her bow on one of the icons

[normal vault]

i would if i didnt suck at making texture packs

[topaz prairie]

sets all my icons to maud

beats misty mountains

[normal vault]

to be fair i dont even know how

[topaz prairie]

[normal vault]

lol

[topaz prairie]

i still havent beaten that level for some reason

[zenith flume]

personally i use gimp to do it

[normal vault]

hard predrop

[zenith flume]

and ibis paint x on mobile to actually make the icon

[normal vault]

gimp?

[zenith flume]

free editing software

[topaz prairie]

yeah but its like a beginner extreme, the level should be baby for me

[normal vault]

can u send

i wanna try making a texture pacj

[normal vault]

yeah

same for me

[zenith flume]

https://www.gimp.org/

[normal vault]

🙏

[topaz prairie]

also gimp is based, i use that for my thumbnails

[normal vault]

i use capcut LOL

[topaz prairie]

i did make a texture pack once with it too but 2.2 broke it and i CANT be asked to pour all that time into it again

[normal vault]

its not even bad

i made a cool requiem thumbnail

for when i beat

[zenith flume]

rob made texture editing for icons so easy in 2.2

they are all in separate files

[normal vault]

oh rly?

cool

[topaz prairie]

tell me i didnt cook

[normal vault]

dude

thats crazy

[zenith flume]

thats sick

[normal vault]

also i have like 43-100 on stalemate redux

[topaz prairie]

fire

[normal vault]

the first wave is such a bitch tho

[normal vault]

ill beat it someday tho lol

[normal vault]

nice

[topaz prairie]

being wave carried i thought that part was really easy besides the hard to see spikes

hardest parts imo definitely the ufo and the end

[normal vault]

im a little wave carried too lol

48-100 lucid nightmares

+29% + 12-51%

[topaz prairie]

i mean i was a challenge player for a while

[normal vault]

so yeah i have it in 3 runs lol

[topaz prairie]

and before that i was already just gifted with wave, and had done lots of nc levels

my wave skill is like 3x higher than everything else lol

[normal vault]

same for me

[topaz prairie]

it is very helpful for levels that people consider unbalanced due to wave parts or something though

to me, sakupen hell is just a normal level

[normal vault]

ship too cause 240

[normal vault]

other than the 2 waves and the first wave

its good

i have 36+ 38-100 on sakupen hell

[topaz prairie]

i was actually gonna do it for my first extreme too

[normal vault]

me too

[topaz prairie]

i had 32-100

[normal vault]

i had lots of stuff i planned to do for my first extreme

even bloodbath

[topaz prairie]

thats the story of how i have 9991 attempts

[normal vault]

cause i had 75x2 + 51-100 on bloodbath before i even beat my first extreme demon

[topaz prairie]

im glad i didnt do sakupen hell for my first extreme tho cuz it would have taken me ages to top that

[normal vault]

true lol

[topaz prairie]

i dont want to do a huge hardest cuz then i wont be able to do any better for a long time

my next hardest im planning on doing is arctic lights

[normal vault]

gl

pretty ass

i have like 60-100 or something on it

[topaz prairie]

its scary but i didnt dislike it from practicing

[normal vault]

second half is way easier tho

[normal vault]

its not that hard

and you're wave carried so it should be fine for you

[topaz prairie]

i dont know how i did this

[normal vault]

Yeah that’s a really good run

[topaz prairie]

thamk

[normal vault]

I’m planning for my final hardest to be zodiac

List is way too hard

[topaz prairie]

the predrop scares me more than the wave if im honest

i really hope that gets consistent but im notoriously awful at timings

[normal vault]

I can see it working out

[vivid light]

zodiac is just some top 50 level

[topaz prairie]

so i think just getting to the wave will be hard

[topaz prairie]

yeah the list is insane

[normal vault]

I know

[vivid light]

im going to explode

[normal vault]

But it has a special place in my heart

[topaz prairie]

i beat my 2nd extreme when it was #185 on legacy, and goner is #195

[normal vault]

Damn

[topaz prairie]

im literally slower than the list lol

[normal vault]

Kenos is almost out of the top 50

I used to watch npestas kenos streams actually

[topaz prairie]

scary

[normal vault]

I’ve been around for a while

[topaz prairie]

i remember getting a few of his kenos streams in my recommended, shame i didnt watch

[normal vault]

Before he got famous with the reaction and all that

[vivid light]

dw it's not "almost" out of the top 50 since there have been like 2 list levels since 2.2 dropped

[topaz prairie]

im not really into streams usually

[normal vault]

Me neither

[zenith flume]

gd streams in 2019 went hard

[normal vault]

But I guess I was back then lol

[normal vault]

THIS

[topaz prairie]

i might finally have a chance to beat a list demon

[zenith flume]

it was definitely back on the rise that year

[normal vault]

I watched a lot of juniper back then too

[topaz prairie]

looking forward to beating arctic lights when its 149

[normal vault]

Especially cause pandemic

[zenith flume]

oh yeah 2020 too

[topaz prairie]

i remember i would watch golden trying to verify freedom08 every day before class

[normal vault]

I’m gonna be honest I miss the lockdown

[topaz prairie]

because he would always stream it at that time

[normal vault]

Aw that’s cool

I did watch doggie verify Deimos live though

[topaz prairie]

the level was like top 30 at the time and now its something "i could beat" (i could not)

[normal vault]

You can probably find me in stream chat spamming go

[vivid light]

I'm too newgen for any of this stuff

[topaz prairie]

i saw tech verify omega

[zenith flume]

tgi and aimsyy beating every 2 player level was the peak of gd streaming for me

[normal vault]

On the replay (if it’s even enabled)

[zenith flume]

it was so fun

[topaz prairie]

but thats i think the only verification i was in a stream for

[normal vault]

I’ve been playing since early 2017

Or late 2016

Made an account late 2017

[topaz prairie]

ive been playing since december 2015

[normal vault]

My oldest level is still up and it’s 6 years old hehe

[vivid light]

only major thing I remember is the bloodlust verification

[topaz prairie]

but i played a bit in 2014

[normal vault]

Yeah that’s what got me into the community

Legendary moment

I hold bloodlust dearly

I even have a friend who’s going for it

[topaz prairie]

thats bloodbath for me lol

[zenith flume]

mfw been playing for half of my life

[normal vault]

She has 69 + 30-94

[topaz prairie]

dang

[vivid light]

the even more legendary moment is when sunix beat it instantly then got smoked for using bypass 🔥

[topaz prairie]

i have like 20% on bloodlust lol

that was enough for me

insta died at michi

[normal vault]

internet kid

[zenith flume]

i started in 2014 lol

[normal vault]

Idk if it’s just me but it feels way easier than the actual michi

[zenith flume]

crazy to think about

[normal vault]

The extension is actually surprisingly fun and not too hard

Probably cause I’ve gotten better but it’s really not that bad

[zenith flume]

bypass was like the devil back then it was pretty funny

[topaz prairie]

i always thought it was goofy that fps bypass was considered a hack, but it was hype when some goober figured out how to use fps bypass without technically using any external software and then the list team was like "ok yep its allowed now!!"

does anyone even remember that

[vivid light]

piepass?

[topaz prairie]

yes

i never see anyone mention that but it was the funniest way to get fps bypass allowed lol

[vivid light]

I actually don't remember that I found out about it when I got back into the game more recently

[normal vault]

Oh yeah hehe

When nswish pioneered it iirc

[topaz prairie]

i was there watching it go down, seeing people talking about piepass and then seeing someone verify satanic clubstep on like 600 fps with it

[zenith flume]

yeah

[normal vault]

Then the list just accepted it at one point

[vivid light]

didn't sunix bypass to like 165 from 144

[zenith flume]

zeronium was also a bypass user in 2019 did you know

[topaz prairie]

thats like the worst way to bypass lmao

[normal vault]

Oh

[topaz prairie]

you dont notice anything and its not even a multiple

[vivid light]

I think it removes a frame of input delay so it's not all bad

[normal vault]

Don’t know much about zeronium other than he’s Canadian, has a lot of extremes, super good, makes cool content and likes bunnies

[topaz prairie]

maybe but i bypassed to 288 in 2.1 (my monitor refresh rate x2)

[normal vault]

Oh my gosh piepass yeah

I remember that

[topaz prairie]

and now with physics being 240 i didnt notice any change lol

[zenith flume]

he also smoked me in demongrinding☹️

[vivid light]

I DMed zeronium about the triple six copy he used and got ignored except for one reaction 🔥

[zenith flume]

we were equal like last year but he shot way past

[vivid light]

I figured it out anyway

[topaz prairie]

funny watching people who went right to 360 complain that straight fly is impossible now

skill issue

[normal vault]

I could never get into stat grinding lol

[vivid light]

go right to 360 imo

hell go to 480 or higher

[normal vault]

No more 360 cause 2.2

I’m a retired 360 player

And MegaHack user

[zenith flume]

i only started cuz i was kinda bad at the game and on 60hz

[normal vault]

I’ve been sober ever since 2.2

Never got geode or mhv8

[vivid light]

360 isn't cheating and 2.2 should just do it

[normal vault]

I’ve been with completely vanilla gd

[vivid light]

it's equivalent to 90hz 2.1 there's literally no way there will be compatibility or performance issues

[topaz prairie]

i remember my first time using bypass, i went from 60 to 144 and i immediately did like 47 on necropolis and thought i was cheating

[normal vault]

Btw my username is Outense if any of you want to add me

[topaz prairie]

and then fast forward like a year later everyone is going ham with it anyways

[zenith flume]

i only used bypass once and it was eurodancer by motu

the straightfly was too hard:(

[normal vault]

I used v sync for some of my extremes

But the rest was bypass

I used v sync for breakout and I still beat it in 3 hours lol

And I fluked it from like 60

[vivid light]

vanilla GD purists when they need heart bypass surgery (it's literally cheating)

[normal vault]

Easily the fastest it took me to beat an extreme

I have like 1.9k on it

[topaz prairie]

to be fair the end of breakout is also like mega easy

like the last 20 or whatever

[normal vault]

But the dual wave

But yeah the end is free

[topaz prairie]

oh thats past 60

[normal vault]

I was also supposed to beat it for a 12 demons of Christmas thing my friends were doing

[topaz prairie]

my fastest on an extreme is brimtanic paradise and its probably always gonna be like that lol

[normal vault]

So it was a secret thing

nice

[topaz prairie]

took me like 400-500 attempts (game crashed so estimate)

like an hour and a half idk

basically just straight fly, the occasional wave, and a lot of buffer clicks

not very complex gameplay

[normal vault]

Yeah I’ve seen it a bit

Looks pretty boring

Sorry

[topaz prairie]

lol

it gets that a lot but i liked it

maybe if i had to play it more it would have gotten boring

then again i want to do the moon below

[normal vault]

true

But it also just looks pretty boring

Just like a casual glow extreme

[topaz prairie]

im weird cuz i still like those lol

necropolix is one of my favorite levels

i love some of the deco in it

[normal vault]

Cool level yeah

[zenith flume]

namtar is the goat

[normal vault]

Me too cause 2018 nostalgia

[topaz prairie]

gameplay is also very fun for me

i love necropolis style

[normal vault]

My favorite level is probably requiem still

[zenith flume]

bassboost by him literally looks like an early 2.1 level and it was released in 2.0

[topaz prairie]

its not even nostalgia for me i just like that style the best lol

[normal vault]

For 2 years

That’s why I’m going for it lol

[normal vault]

Fair

[normal vault]

But a lot of early 2.1 levels look like 2.0 levels lol

[zenith flume]

yeah lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYK7xZGqu2E how

[topaz prairie]

jeez ive seen rated levels today that look like that lol

this looks like a megacollab hosted by yakobnugget

nope just 2.0 namtar

[zenith flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nke9uaQwCuQ he also made this one of the greatest 2.0 levels as well

how did he do it

[normal vault]

I think hinds owns like every good 2.0 level

He’s my favorite creator of all time

[zenith flume]

oh yeah hes awesome

psychosis is the quintessential hard demon

[normal vault]

True

[topaz prairie]

hard demon

[normal vault]

It’s a fair rating

[topaz prairie]

ill die on the psychosis insane demon hill

[normal vault]

heheh

You should try flat major by endlevel

[topaz prairie]

ive beaten that

[normal vault]

Yeah

Super easy

Cause wave carried

[topaz prairie]

yeah

[zenith flume]

fair hard demon is kind of a nothing rating nowadays

although i still love them

[normal vault]

I beat in like 200 atts in 30 mins

[topaz prairie]

idk how many attempts i took

[normal vault]

Future funk best hard demon

[topaz prairie]

i tried to beat it years ago

when it would have been one of my hardest demons

[topaz prairie]

i hate jonathangd levels so much lmao

jonathangd creates worst balancing, asked to stay in the editor forever yay

[normal vault]

Damn

He’s one of my favorites

His balancing is an issue though

[topaz prairie]

i want to play a 4 minute level with an insane dual and the most unfortunate ending ever

so fun

[zenith flume]

mfw dark travel was medium demon on release

[normal vault]

The duals aren’t bad

[zenith flume]

if you even suggested that nowadays you would be called crazy\

[normal vault]

hehe

Real ones remember when supersonic was hard demon

And when doomsday was extreme demon lol

[topaz prairie]

i remember in 2.0 i wanted to do forsaken neon for my first "medium demon" because i didnt know wtf i was talking about and nobody else did either

[zenith flume]

demon ratings have been pretty skewed since then

[topaz prairie]

i just thought medium demons were literally impossible and id never do one, turns out i was able to do them i just couldnt tell them apart from easy demons lol

i still cant tell, medium demons always just felt like hard easy demons to me

[zenith flume]

extremes are harder than ever but easy-medium demons are so much easier

[topaz prairie]

probably why i dont get the deadlocked medium demon thing

[normal vault]

Me

I literally only kept playing to get good enough at the game to beat bloodbath

And when I did that was a really memorable day for me

[topaz prairie]

lol i actually recreated riots verification intro for my bloodbath video

[normal vault]

Nice

[vivid light]

I'm too washed to do anything in GD anymore

[topaz prairie]

it might be just a touch over the top and cringe but it was fun to edit

[normal vault]

I cried a bit

[topaz prairie]

and i just had to make that callback

[normal vault]

sad

I heard it’s easy to get back

[topaz prairie]

plus so was the original lol

[normal vault]

After being washed

[vivid light]

not possible

I mean the real deal is that I never had any skill to begin with and now I have less motivation so I have even less skill than when I didn't have any skill

[topaz prairie]

ive never really taken a long enough break from gd to notice myself getting worse

[normal vault]

Me neither

Plus I’ve been at it ever since late 2021

Cause I used to have small hiatuses

[topaz prairie]

ive only really taken breaks from actively increasing my skill

subsonic was my hardest for a long time but once i topped that ive been pretty actively going for harder levels

i think im like 2x better now than when i beat that lol

[vivid light]

I'm never beating anything harder than leyak

[topaz prairie]

leyak is actually brain hurting juice

at some point people in 2.1 decided to make levels so learny and confusing that you could almost call them memory levels

im going to be real leyak is more of a memory level than mastermind ever was or ever can be lol

[normal vault]

Isn’t Leyak just click sync

[vivid light]

leyak is several hard clicks and a slot machine UFO ending

that's it

on top of being incredibly learny that is

[topaz prairie]

its click sync but not in the way that you can learn it just by clicking to the song

i think very few levels are that type of click sync

[vivid light]

I forgot I paused in my leyak completion and I also beat it on spacebar

[normal vault]

niwa

[vivid light]

🔥

[topaz prairie]

(a2marbl)

[normal vault]

niwa is pretty shit but it’s free and very click sync

[normal vault]

I sorta hate that level lol

I can barely even remember it at all

[topaz prairie]

im fine with it

i only did it because i got it from a randomizer

if you arent mega wave carried tho i can see it being trash

also the last spider just doesnt sync at all and is impossible

[normal vault]

It was fine for me

Just the very last part didn’t sync at all

And it’s so buggy

I died to it a million times cause of the bugs

But it’s fine cause I got there like every attempt cause it’s free

[topaz prairie]

lmao yeah the level got super consistent for me

[normal vault]

But then when I beat it the first time my shadowplay didn’t work so I rebeat it the next morning for the video lol

[normal vault]

When you forget about the bugs and the garbage it’s a really neat level

[topaz prairie]

i didnt even get nervous on it cuz i could legit get to 90% easily

[normal vault]

Yeah

[chrome fulcrum]

@normal vault helo

[normal vault]

Very easy

[topaz prairie]

there were no stakes

[normal vault]

hi flutter

[normal vault]

yeah lol

[topaz prairie]

i didnt find the level that buggy though tbh

[normal vault]

Lucky

[topaz prairie]

temps upward wave thing is

????

[normal vault]

I got shit rng

[topaz prairie]

but i had the click pattern for it so it was fine

yeah overall i didnt really recommend the level

i think in the video i said you could go for it if you're good with wave

[normal vault]

If you can tolerate bs then I would

[topaz prairie]

lmao

[normal vault]

Simply cause it’s really easy

[topaz prairie]

oh yeah there was that one bug at like 42

but it barely ever happened to me and i could just get back there anyways so i didnt care

the last spider though is unforgivable

[normal vault]

Never got one there

[normal vault]

It synced perfectly for me

So I never died to it

[topaz prairie]

you know the part that has the blue pads and u just buffer all the purple orbs

sometimes you can go into it and get thrown weird and u just cant hit the orb and die

[normal vault]

Yeah

[normal vault]

Damn

[topaz prairie]

it mostly synced for me, but there was clicks that did not

[vivid light]

purple orbs?

[topaz prairie]

as well as that weird dual spider part

[topaz prairie]

sorry pink orbs for people who are wrong

[normal vault]

Pink orbs

If you will

[vivid light]

there are purple orbs in the game and they teleport you

[topaz prairie]

spider orbs

[normal vault]

lel

[topaz prairie]

everyone calls those spider orbs

🧐

[vivid light]

they are also purple

pink orbs are distinctly pink

[topaz prairie]

anyways

theres a bug at that part and you can get flung weird and die

it happened to me a couple times in practice and from 0 but it wasnt really a big deal considering how easy the first half of the level is

[normal vault]

yea

[topaz prairie]

3752 attempts yay

[normal vault]

gg

[topaz prairie]

[normal vault]

[chrome fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731530472290648087/1217488046157729803/2024-03-13_22-58-28.mp4?ex=6604351a&is=65f1c01a&hm=8f38895fba67040b861bb4e86531e5266813c5022db6199c9b214351305e9797&

[normal vault]

Woah

Very cool

[vital latch]

im so proud of my percentage

[topaz prairie]

[chrome fulcrum]

[normal vault]

I hab 4% hehe

[chrome fulcrum]

I don't dare to procrastinate in programming classes anymore

[vivid light]

you shouldn't just procrastinate you should actively not pay attention so they don't spread misinformation

[chrome fulcrum]

maybe maybe maybe

[normal vault]

how am i dead here

the hitboxes arent even touching

[topaz prairie]

if you're using the in game hitboxes its because those arent even accurate

the in-game hitbox is shown rotating with the player, even though the actual hitbox is just a solid square the whole time

[normal vault]

thats what i thought

im not getting any hacks or mods though

[topaz prairie]

understandable

[vivid light]

not much but some day 1 progress

I really need to get better at anything that isn't wave

I also need to get better at wave

but not before I do the other stuff

1436 attempts :ded:

[normal vault]

ooh fire wall

i really liked that level

it used to be my hardest before i beat my first extreme hehe

[topaz prairie]

lol i beat kidsmoke and temple of destiny before doing my first extreme

i stay prepared

[normal vault]

im losing it

[vivid light]

I ran out of motivation 🔥

the predrop is really long then it hits you with the hardest late orb timing ever conceived right before the drop

[vivid light]

60, 35-96, good enough for today I guess

[topaz prairie]

geometry dash mobile gaming

[normal vault]

thing

[topaz prairie]

prety

[ebon ruin]

0-54%, 46-80% on Falling Up

[vital latch]

thanks to 4gb patch. i can run How, What, Khorne and Ocular Miracle wthout lag or crashing

in my rusted laptop lol

[ebon ruin]

I just reinstalled it and it fixed a TON of instability I was having

[drifting cedar]

Hiiiii

GD is an awesome game

[vivid light]

dark dimension looks... bad

it's missing all the subtlety of the original

[chrome fulcrum]

2nd discord account?

[vital latch]

it's ass tbh. ive practiced it and the revamped version's gameplay was so painful.

also the design is just detailed version of the original, nothing special from it

[vital latch]

i dont think so

[normal vault]

Sick

[normal vault]

It’s my favorite game of all time yeah

[topaz prairie]

same

[topaz prairie]

1.9 thingy

[ebon ruin]

I said this when they first showed it off a year ago lmao

Black blizzard didn't need a remake

[normal vault]

Exactly

Stop remaking KrmaL levels

[river fox]

The Tidal Wave remake looks sick tbh

I liked the old Tidal Wave better but still, the new one looks promising

[vital latch]

for Tidal Wave, yes. it needs a remake, the original tbh looks bland

cherryteam always brings very cool levels, aside of controversialities they have

[sharp idol]

tidal wave is fine

it looks better than other top 10s

👍

[ebon ruin]

I still think Firework is underappreciated

[ebon ruin]

so I just got my 240hz HDR freesync monitor

I just did the best run I've ever done on a level I've been practicing by complete accident

32-100 on Aftermath

[river fox]

I think I have a video on my YT channel of me actually beating 2.2 Dash

Dates back almost a year ago when 2.2 came

[vivid light]

not a top 10

[chrome fulcrum]

gameplay also needs to be reworked

[river fox]

Yea it’s like nearly impossible

[chrome fulcrum]

It's not due to being nearly impossible, but rather the repetitive gameplay, especially the wave parts.

[river fox]

Glad Cherryteam’s reworking it now

The remix used was also terrible as fuck but, the original Shiawase is not on Newgrounds so… 🗿

[vivid light]

35-100

should have beaten this like days ago but I have terminal skill issue so

[vivid light]

36 minute session where jack shit happened

idk why I'm so bad at sticking to stuff

[vital latch]

this level's decoration would be fine if this was rated around late 2017 to mid 2019

[vital latch]

ask robtop to enter Dion Timmer in library

lol

[sharp idol]

lol ok

[sharp idol]

_ _

people are just mad a non-hell themed top 1 isnt pretty i guess

tidal wave is not that ugly except for that one part

[vivid light]

I think it's pretty weak tbh

[vital latch]

yeah. but i don't think most of it's gameplay is repetitive. it looks fun, yet still out of mind lol in terms of difficult.
i know the wave parts look super boring if there weren't song synces and euphoric beach theme

[sharp idol]

it's better than 90% of rated levels

[vivid light]

90?

oh

I mean I don't know what most rated levels look like

and I'm not saying I wouldn't rate it

actually I'd rate almost any level on principle

probably the biggest problem I have with it is the structuring

[vital latch]

if Aeternus was verified, i don't think geometry dash players are human tbh. lol

[vivid light]

it's generally pretty haphazard, kind of repetitive, and doesn't really build towards a specific kind of atmosphere

I feel about the same way towards the gameplay as well

it's kind of like, it does the bare minimum but not much more

the structures fill space and create only one valid path, but it doesn't build towards something more

and the gameplay has good enough clicksync, but doesn't do much more

the tidal wave predrop is probably the best example of this

what's the word

cohesion?

there are a lot of orbs, pads, and gamemode switches

the variety keeps the gameplay from feeling completely stale, but there isn't really a common thread that links all of the gameplay elements together

so it just feels a bit arbitrary

the third non-wave section is a bit of an exception

I like that it tries to carry forward the momentum between gamemode switches to keep things synced to the flow of the song while also maintaining clicksync

I think it's much more cohesive than the other non-wave sections

watching it back a bit more, I feel like the first and second waves are missing something that the third wave has that makes it much more interesting to watch

but I can't quite pinpoint why I feel that way

it's a bit surprising to me since I also feel like the third wave's designs are probably the most flawed

maybe it's the more frequent gravity and size changes, but I don't feel like that's all there is to it

as far as visuals go the second wave is probably my favourite part

the colors work pretty well, which isn't something I feel like I can say for most things past the dark part

I feel like the blues and yellows clash pretty hard in most of the lighter parts, but I'm hardly an expert on color theory, so I probably won't be able to elaborate that much

[vivid light]

yeah, it seems like this is the case

it's much more satisfying to watch and probably my favourite part gameplay wise

(as in, the visuals of the gameplay)

the ending has a lot going for it but also has a lot holding it back

the main color is a strong choice especially for the ending, but the effects used have an odd color that kind of clashes with it

and there isn't really anything building up to the ending, so the color shift feels a bit out of place

the gameplay has all the same problems as the other non-wave parts in that it lacks cohesion, but it feels more pronounced because it doesn't really do anything with the fact that it's the last part in the level

it doesn't really have a "finale" feel to it, which is a shame because a level as long (and hard!) as tidal wave really has the potential to elevate the ending

[chrome fulcrum]

@vivid light day of your equal pone

[vivid light]

indeed

[vital latch]

that's lotta of nerd sound XD

[vital latch]

btw, im making flutterwonder layout rn

because im so bored

[ebon ruin]

I really gotta grind out the challenge for that song some day

[vital latch]

this game sucks tbh. idk why am i still playing this. i never say this game good.
the worst thing ive experienced in this game is not getting creator point, even though i've been creating for 2 years and always dropping quality level.
i've seen worse levels than mine, but they got rated. like robtop doesn't give a fuck to every creators in this TIG ripoff game

i sent many of my levels over and over only to see that those got rejected and forgotten like a trash

also it's community is definitely most childish and cringey thing ever

i wish anaban could hack this game and demolish it from universe

i never be so upset in my life than this

[river fox]

RobTop is real busy with Update 2.21 atm, he can’t do several things at once, so he has admins do the level verifying work. Perhaps the admin was real shit

Believe me, he didn’t rate Tidal Wave for several months because he got tired of people requesting for it to be rated.

[vital latch]

mine took 2 years

he NEVER takes his game seriously

also how bad this game's account management is. mine has been banned for twice in a year

if he actually cared with this game, 2.2 update will only take 2 - 3 years in longest time

i know he is only alone programming gd, but i saw some game developers that also work alone but finished big update in only a year

but what robtop did? he went around being a clown and roasting his own fanbase for his favor. i never found any developer such like him, he better be a clown rather than a game developer

[vivid light]

robtop is literally just a guy

[vital latch]

most of developers i see are also a guy, working alone but finished big update in only a year

[vivid light]

which developers

[vital latch]

i forgot the game's name, but he did big update his game only a year

forgot to mention that he is a stubborn guy who won't hire right handers to help him develop his game, i mean robtop. having mods doesn't mean you don't need a core helpers, such as right handers i said about

[vivid light]

what I mean by just a guy is that he's a normal person who made a game that got really, really big

and in spite of the game getting really big he hasn't actually gained the management skills necessary to deal with a game that big

[vital latch]

yeah, i mean why doesnt he hire right handers to help him if the game gets bigger and bigger? that's his problem

[vivid light]

the kind of structure and organization you'd need to effectively manage GD is not simple to set up

this isn't meant to excuse how GD is managed, it's just to provide context to why it works that way

[vital latch]

for example, Masashi kishimoto, naruto's creator (he's not game developer). his comics got boomed up around pre 2000. he also was shocked seeing his comics got popular, but he managed to be more precise on creating consistently rather than being a lazy developer

[vital latch]

it's just a simple cube game XD

[vivid light]

no it's not

[vital latch]

still

[river fox]

It started off as one, but now it’s no longer that simple

[vivid light]

there are a ton of stakeholders in GD compared to most games

[river fox]

2.2 took 7 years due to levels having to get delayed due to time constraints, him not having much experience with coding, pushing back some features, some very important game files getting leaked into the public without his consent, etc.

[vital latch]

if it's not simple, why didn't he hire right handers to help him develop the game? that's the big question. he can coordinate his core helper

[river fox]

It’s often expensive to hire people on a job these days

[vivid light]

GD has to interact with creators, artists, and players, all of which have different wants and needs

[vital latch]

he was too afraid to be hacked again like around 2017, i mean that was silly

[vital latch]

remember he has 15 millions subs on youtube, he's not poor

[vivid light]

I wouldn't use sub count as proof of money LOL

I think him being the creator of one of the biggest mobile games is probably better evidence

[river fox]

Unless he enables monetization, subs don’t count as bucks

[vital latch]

not hiring people to help developing a big game is a failure movement

[vital latch]

he does

wait he doesn't. he still gets money from subs

[vivid light]

sub count is irrelevant, he's obviously loaded

[river fox]

Sub count doesn’t automatically mean you start racking in bucks

[vital latch]

still. he's not poor that he can't hire people to help him

he still sucks developing game

[river fox]

Just as Gameloft is terrible at making games. Got it.

(Just take that with a grain of salt, at least RobTop manages his game better than Gameloft does at Asphalt 8)

[vital latch]

nevermind. since my level "Night Weaver" and my other levels didn't get rate, i stop playing this shitty The Impossible Game ripoff and quit.
also, i wanna kill my self out of this world literally. bye all!!

[river fox]

Bye enjoy playing ripoff GTA

[chrome fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-14390726165144583214

[chrome fulcrum]

for people having this kind of mindset

one can never improve

mark my words

[river fox]

Fr

[vivid light]

did I cook

[river fox]

Just realized I still had a video about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgP768kcwQ

When the trend first started out

[river fox]

I’m gonna fuckin' kms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZZg9M8rGj8

[topaz prairie]

split72 ahh comments

[river fox]

Real

[chrome fulcrum]

this is the new..... uh uh?????

[river fox]

Mfs playing that level be going wild in the comments like wtf

[vivid light]

mfw

[chrome fulcrum]

@sweet sky BY SPU7NIX

[vivid light]

how did I ever pass the wave in this

[frigid cobalt]

I hate myself

[chrome fulcrum]

AM????? YOU REALLY ARE STAYING UP

HUSH NOW QUIET NOW IT'S TIME TO LAY YOUR SLEEPY HEAD

[frigid cobalt]

I didn't go to bed till 4am cause i was grinding wave challenges

[normal vault]

bruh

[frigid cobalt]

Which List Challenge should i beat

only wave no vsc

[sharp idol]

521

[ebon ruin]

54% on Aftermath

bouta have the whole trilogy beat

[river fox]

What the shit

[frigid cobalt]

wrong answer, its flutterwonder

[frigid cobalt]

IM GONNA FUCKING CRY I SAVED PROGRESS AND LOGGED OUT BUT I GUESS I DIDN'T SAVE

i lied it was actually a visuakl glitych????

[topaz prairie]

[chrome fulcrum]

you wanna see them

[river fox]

Ivan shouldn’t have replied at that moment…

[normal vault]

61-100 on xo

[normal vault]

I have 53 on that

Also can I add you on gd

[frigid cobalt]

yea sorry, ign is enbbyy

you can friend me

[river fox]

Ima fucking try Explorers again tomorrow

[frigid cobalt]

Opinion on Challenge players?

[frigid cobalt]

ok

sometimes i want to talk to more people that play GD

[chrome fulcrum]

The hardest rated XL level beaten by a challenge player is a medium demon

[frigid cobalt]

True

Sometimes I kinda feel like shit when I'm constantly told I'm not gonna be a good player if I just play challenges

[river fox]

Took me a while to start making at least 1/4 of the way…

(Rip my eyes)

[frigid cobalt]

You got this bro

[chrome fulcrum]

Free Demon

[topaz prairie]

hey ive beaten D, radation, and subsonic thats something

im dual wielding extremes and challenges

[vivid light]

apparently I still have triple six consistency

(in runs)

still know how to do the cube maze

[frigid cobalt]

I HATE GEOMETRY DASH

[chrome fulcrum]

I LOVE GEOMETRY DASH

[river fox]

(Literal OH GOD NO moment)

I fucking tried beating Explorers (again)
And this time COMPLETING THE MULTI-SECTION FINALLY

[frigid cobalt]

DAG can go fuck FLuttershy, gameplay sucks ass

[zenith flume]

😭

[river fox]

I’ll get Explorers again someday

Ngl Seg4M’s version of Explorers is just fanon, but looks nearly accurate to the official teaser of 2.21’s Explorers

[normal vault]

i did 50-100 for the 4th damn time again lmao

i have 4 days off of school so i guess ill try to grind requiem from 0

[river fox]

Well how’d I do so far? I still got 3/4 of the way to go lol

[frigid cobalt]

GL, I could never beat anything that is memory, damn

[normal vault]

[normal vault]

oh damn nice

also got any tips for 50-60?

ive been struggling on that for so long

i have 53 right now on flutterwonder

[frigid cobalt]

i honestly just forced grind it, i played and played until i got the click pattern

i have 0 tips cause i just overpractice stuff even if i know i dont need it

Im probably gonna just finish Hostage by mark because its a 10/10 enjoyment challenge

Is it bad I will beat my first list Challenge before my first List Demon

[chrome fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFj1U3o6eIw

[river fox]

Tried playing an Insane Demon level today

[chrome fulcrum]

Fun fact: Supersonic was rated Hard Demon

[normal vault]

I remember when it was Hard Demon

My account is almost 7 years old

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I'll try doing that whenever I pick it back up

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new practice run pb

i also got 57 earlier and 48 just now lol

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Ball Revamped G progress: I have made past Level 66

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🗿

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LOL

[sharp idol]

seems easy enough

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When your weekly demon level is an Extreme Demon…

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hahahahahaha!

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https://youtu.be/VuzMxyv9rBQ?si=1wQpV6CCPR-2COnQ

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Also the daily level is “You’ve Been Trolled” as well

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF2bneekuB0

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500 demons holy shit

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@frigid cobalt please surpass me :3

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how much you have? 1K?

oh you have like 580

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nevermind, im still alive. new project "Reverie"

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@vital latch HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

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