Factorio

[heady fulcrum]

Through asteroid mining

[warm laurel]

Yes but how do I then get the crafted ammo that I made to the turrets

[dire trout]

belts and inserters

see this pic

[rapid moth]

I made a Fusion Cube - it has onboard manufacturing of all the belts, pipes, inserters, assembler 3's, circuit devices, chemplants, rocket parts, basic platform machines, turrets, three types of ammo, and a lot of other stuff too. Plus it has a sereis of super long snakin belts that can buffer 100,000 prometheum chunks

Just a glimpse of its power

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548997200844161027/1313462813464858624/image.png

took a while to build, and uses 12 fusion reactors in 3 4x1 modulars, but it needs that 2.4 GW to run the fully prod and speed beaconed machines

Later I will add walls so I can call it the Tactical Fusion Cube

[heady fulcrum]

It's finally time to go to space

Old armor vs new armor

[warm laurel]

Hell yeah

Now you juse need a few fission reactors

[heady fulcrum]

I'll have to invent them first

[warm laurel]

there's a big asshole worm where I need to mine titainium

I'm gonna shoot him with uranium shells

[dire trout]

yup, you gotta kill at least 1 worm

glad they helpfully marked out their territories

[warm laurel]

AHHH!!! TWO WORMS KILLED!!!

[frozen moss]

GG

[warm laurel]

Okay I've got 1000 orange science... what's the most crucial science to unlock?

[heady fulcrum]

Blue science

[warm laurel]

No I mean the most crucual tech, I already have blue science

[frozen moss]

Low density structure productivity should probably be your first one.

[heady fulcrum]

Mech suit me

I love to fly and have lots of inventory

[frozen moss]

Oh I'm dumb

I'm looking at an incomplete page for researches

I thought there was some missing stuff

Damn, the Factorio wiki isn't complete, they haven't added all the technologies you can research yet as of Space Age.

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah, progress has been slow

[warm laurel]

I wonder if I could make it to Fulgora...

[fluid owl]

Be wary of energy if you try

Not that you actually need to run at full capacity, especially if you have a few tanks of propellent saved up and are using bullet turrets, still, solar panels suck ass around fulgora compared to the other inner planets

[warm laurel]

Okay I made it to Fulgora, got some Holmium, didn't die... also forgot low density structure material for return ride... but thankfully I was able to get enough to ship me back via scrap

[warm laurel]

whew boy... it's gonna take a while to get everything off of that planet...

[frozen moss]

Fulgora is probably one of the easier ones, you just need to sort everything first (robots are so good here).

Now, if you had gone to Gleba first...God help you, lol.

[warm laurel]

Yeah a few dozen logistics robots might be helpful there

[fluid owl]

The annoying part of Fulgora is all the junk you get out fo scrap when you really just need the fancy mineral

[warm laurel]

In the end it comes down to just how far we can slide

[warm laurel]

some work was done, got coal cracking, got some oil on vulcanus... will have to work on making plastic low desity structures and rocket fuel...

[warm laurel]

Automated rocket fuel and low density structures on vulcanus... Still gotta automate blue chips

[warm laurel]

Oh my god...

You can just send waste stone into THE LAVA!

[frozen moss]

Yes.

[warm laurel]

We got blue chips on vulcanus... 600mw of continous power... whew...

[heady fulcrum]

I didn't know this could happen

DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG
0x887A0006
The application's device failed due to badly formed commands sent by the application. This is an design-time issue that should be investigated and fixed.

Oh so it's a factorio bug

Or a bug with another application?

Also, ```
DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED
0x887A0005
The video card has been physically removed from the system, or a driver upgrade for the video card has occurred. The application should destroy and recreate the device. For help debugging the problem, call ID3D10Device::GetDeviceRemovedReason.

[warm laurel]

And lord said let him go fast

[warm laurel]

Is there a limit to how many personal roboports you can have in your equipment grid?

[dire trout]

as long as they fit in the grid i don't think so

[warm laurel]

Nice

I think I've pretty much conquered Vulcanus, metric ass tones of metals, and titanium, got most of the orange science out, a steady supply of water and plastic, as well as rocket fuel, low desntiy frames and blue chips.

Fulgora is gonna be difficult though

[dire trout]

nice

[frozen moss]

Fulgora isn't too bad as long as you bring plenty of robots and roboports. Robots will very easily sort everything into a much better system.

Without robots it's still doable, just harder.

Gleba is muuuuch harder.

[warm laurel]

Logistics robots in the hundreds?

[heady fulcrum]

Personal roboports are not very useful past the first few

1- They take so much energy that you can't afford to keep a lot of them supplied at once.
2- Robots run out of battery and waste a lot of time recharging, reducing the effective number you can have working

In practice, the most you want is four to six, and usually one to three is fine

[heady fulcrum]

Preparing for Vulcanus. Two of these kill a small demolisher

Physical projectile damage research is ridiculous

[heady fulcrum]

Is it even possible to get higher quality wood before leaving nauvis?

[warm laurel]

Whew boy rare shells...

Some progress has been made on fulgrim, I don't know if its by design but the first little land mass of scrap is quite small, trains

[heady fulcrum]

This rocket silo is speed capped.

The progress bars fill up before the animation finishes, so I'm stuck waiting on it to play

[dire trout]

oh right, beacons are a thing

[heady fulcrum]

Beacons are REALLY good in Space Age

One beacon has a base efficiency of 1.5

Which means you want to put your most valuable modules there

Interference means they lose power the more of them you stack.

The maximum you can stack for a rocket silo is this

(600% for normal quality)

[heady fulcrum]

Today I learned you have to make nuclear bombs on the planet you want to use them in

[fluid owl]

Yeah

[subtle ferry]

Awwwwwwww!!!!!!!!

[heady fulcrum]

(You may ship the ingredients for it though)

[warm laurel]

Okay so I got 2000 pink science

But we're still kinda low on Holmium ore... need more faster

[heady fulcrum]

Use vulcanus furnaces for it

The stacking multiplicative productivity from big drills, furnaces and electromagnetic plants allows you to get silly amounts of end materials from each ore mined

[warm laurel]

I'm using the big drills, the problem isn't Holmium plate, just holmium ore to make Holmium fluid

[heady fulcrum]

Then make sure to keep your mining productivity up

[warm laurel]

fug

I think we've got things handled on home world with 2.8 GIGAWATTS of continuous power!!

[warm laurel]

AHHH WE GOT ARMOR!!!

[heady fulcrum]

Make sure to keep up with mining productivity research

The extra productivity doesn't come at a reduction to speed, so it's basically free extra throughput for your mines.

You can pair mining productivity with speed beacons for a multiplicative bonus, and use big drills with their wider area to cover everything. The reduced resource drain accounts for the extra speed and ensures you won't have to change mines

[warm laurel]

Does recycling productivity increase the rate of Holmium ore?

[heady fulcrum]

It increases all recycling rewards by replacing some of the times where you would have gotten nothing back by something instead

It will never give you more than you put in, but it can be good for increasing quality or reusing ingredients

[heady fulcrum]

This inserter takes stone byproducts from furnaces and dumps them in the lava until I have 30k or fewer

Also, lava textures are bad and choppy

[frozen moss]

Well for one thing, that's how lava looks IRL. And second, considering how grainy your building textures look, my guess is that you're using lower quality graphics, which would make the terrain graphics worse.

[heady fulcrum]

I am using lower quality textures!

However

The actual issue is there are seams in the textures

Like here under my cursor

Wow! Tungsten has a 500% slowdown on mining

[frozen moss]

Oooooh, I see it now. Yeah, that's likely a texture bug. Try reporting it on Wube's site, they're usually very receptive to bug reports and feedback.

[heady fulcrum]

On the factorio server people say it's also choppy on higher settings, but it might just be because lava is difficult to implement (SE had similar issues)

[frozen moss]

On higher quality textures there's more to animate, and lava is naturally very hard to animate well in games because it looks so goopy and uneven.

[heady fulcrum]

It is not animated

[frozen moss]

It isn't? I could've sworn it was, at least on higher quality textures.

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah I am on minimum settings

[warm laurel]

Rare mechsuit, rare fission reactor... I don't know what to do now.

Go to Gelba?

[heady fulcrum]

What the hell, turbo transport belts are so expensive

It's like five times the cost for 15 more items per second

[heady fulcrum]

Only the best high quality landfill for my Nauvis water

[warm laurel]

Once you get metals going on Vulcanus you can absolutely spit those turbo belts out.

I have more than I know what to do with

[heady fulcrum]

https://rocketcal.cc/about#what-is-it

You paste a space platform blueprint here and it divides it up so you don't oversend materials

[heady fulcrum]

Wrapping up my Vulcanus visit with a power overhaul

[heady fulcrum]

My starting coal patch before and after:

Much more efficient, almost keeps a full belt, plenty of room for easy expansion and beacons

[heady fulcrum]

Time to figure out what to pack for Fulgora

I need to set up a calcite collecting ship so I can do smelting at Nauvis

The doubled speed, extra module slots AND 50% productivity is really tasty

[warm laurel]

I wonder... if you can set a platform to only transport when it has full fuel and ammo

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah

Just set a circuit condition to check for full fuel and ammo, and set the platform to go when that circuit is on

[warm laurel]

Well it'd have to be a certain amount of ammo since I have ammo on belts feeding each turret. the intserters only load them up to 10 magazines at a time which is not nearly enough to go between planets

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah, just check the contents of the belt and if you have enough ammo in there you can proceed

[heady fulcrum]

Time to figure out recycling on Fulgora

Scrap recycling base list: processing units, advanced circuits, low density structure, solid fuel, steel plate, concrete, battery, ice, stone, holmium ore, iron gear wheel, copper cable.

Recursive additions: electronic circuits, plastic bars, copper plates, stone brick, iron ore, iron plates.

[heady fulcrum]

I made this

Scrap Recycling using quality modules. Can saturate a turbo belt of scrap, comes with a list of output products, never clogs.

[heady fulcrum]

Holy shit you can press V to flip them vertically so they line up with no pipes

[heady fulcrum]

I should have prepared more fission reactors.

It's mech armor time.

[warm laurel]

Then you can make epic mech armor

[heady fulcrum]

Not just yet

[frozen moss]

That is one speedy boi.

[rapid moth]

wait'll you get the "No Room For More" achievement

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsszKY1kBo0

Pretty decent guide to quality, broken down properly

[warm laurel]

So with all the factory type games, now that they've conquered drainable resources and variable quality... I think the next step for them is to handle parts wear and breakage, that's the ultimate form of factory type sim

[heady fulcrum]

Not interested

With Factorio it wouldn't make for an interesting problem to solve because it is 100% trivially automatable

[warm laurel]

I guess you could make everything have a wear life as well, power poles, steam turbines, belts.

Pretty much everything

[heady fulcrum]

And then my bots can automatically replace all of it

It doesn't sound like a problem I would want or need to solve

[warm laurel]

but who replaces your bots?

[heady fulcrum]

Other bots?

They automatically do that already

Whenever I lose bots, more bots deliver new bots to replace them

Whenever I get higher quality bots, low quality bots get removed and replaced

This is all automatic

[warm laurel]

maybe not factorio but it's gotta happen in some factory sim game

[heady fulcrum]

I don't like any other ones because they're not as good as Factorio but try to compete on the same grounds

Mindustry is the closest one that I do like

[warm laurel]

Pretty much the only other one I do is satisfactory

[heady fulcrum]

With Vulcanus and Fulgora conquered, it's time to pack for Gleba

[heady fulcrum]

50% solar power is a pain

[warm laurel]

What's the big power source on Gelba?

[heady fulcrum]

I'll let you know when I figure it out. Probably some form of burning things

[maiden furnace]

https://old.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1hhohpk/heard_yall_hate_roundabouts_so_ive_made_this/

it's indeed burning things

the heating tower burns nearly everything on gleba, so you don't have a lack of fuel, more of a problem of transporting the fuel out of the middle of the factory

[warm laurel]

||Are the life forms hostile on gleba?||

[frozen moss]

Yes

Also that's not really spoiler worthy.

Imo anyway

[rapid moth]

There's always dropping a nuclear reactor

[warm laurel]

where are you gonna get the nuclear fuel?

[rapid moth]

Ship it in from Nauvis, obviously.

One stack of reactor fuel will last a whole playthrough.

[heady fulcrum]

This imported stuff from Vulcanus makes Gleba a lot less annoying

[subtle ferry]

i gotta get to Vulcanus

[heady fulcrum]

With gleba you get research that allows you to farm calcite from asteroids. Combine calcite with iron ore for massive amounts of molten iron

Big mining drills from Vulcanus are way easier to arrange in a perfectly compact way

[maiden furnace]

also belt stacking, but calcite is 99% of the reason I'm prepping my gleba run to involve artillery presence

[warm laurel]

Calcite

Is there calcite on Gleba?

[heady fulcrum]

Read what I said again

[subtle ferry]

My coworker printed me these for Christmas 😁

[heady fulcrum]

Paint them

[heady fulcrum]

Today I'm going to overhaul my space platforms. Maybe make a few that can stay over a planet and drop resources, or deliver between planets

[heady fulcrum]

Hmm

But what if instead I started a new game for achievements?

[heady fulcrum]

I normally play with mods so I'm missing many easy achievements. Let's make a list of the ones I could get without too much difficulty:
Drive into 100 trees, die by train, drive a tank into ten spawners, kill a small demolisher, anger a demolisher, and destroy a cliff.
Make 60 iron plates a second, make 120 iron plates a second, make 1.4 blue circuits a second, make 20m green circuits total, and deplete a resource patch.
Do at least one red, green, blue, grey, purple, yellow, orange research.
Use a steam engine, use a solar panel, and use a nuclear power plant.
Make an assembling machine and make it so robots have built more machines than you.
Make a space platform, send a rocket to space without laser turrets, launch a rocket without using solar panels, and visit Vulcanus.
Launch a rocket within 15 hours and build a locomotive within 1.5 hours

[heady fulcrum]

So it turns out you can turn off pollution, change spoiling rate and asteroid spawning, disable enemy evolution and expansion, and change every single slider without affecting achievements. Checking these two buttons is the only thing that disables achievements.

So given I want a chill run where I explore the puzzles at my own pace, but also launch a rocket within fifteen hours, how do I want to go about it?

Oh, you can set spoilage rate

Gleba might be a lot less frustrating if I had twice the time to deliver everything before it spoils (except for bacteria)

Oh, changing frequency and size of biter bases also disables some achievements

[frozen moss]

Pretty sure you'd have to dive into the code for that to enable achievements again, or just lower all alien spawn rates and evolution rates to the lowest they can possibly go.

Ah

Never mind

I guess the only way then is by going into the code and giving achievements back manually, but that would then be technically modding the game.

...Or maybe there's just straight up a mod for it, lol

[heady fulcrum]

Well I could just give myself the achievements using external software

I'm talking about doing it within the rules of the game

I could do this

So enemies will only evolve when I go on the offensive

And of course, start on the railworld preset which means enemies never expand.

[heady fulcrum]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/simultaneous-research

Neat mod! I guess it's good if you want to do science on each planet without exporting

[placid coral]

Interesting.

[heady fulcrum]

I'm trying to finish Getting on Track Like a Pro, wherein you have 90 minutes to get to rails

I'm no good at that. Need about 120 minutes

The seeded speedrun can do it in 30 on the current version https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2311453775?

[heady fulcrum]

Okay, let's try scaling up again.

I need:
75 red science at 5 seconds each, 20 red science at 15 seconds each, 50 red science at 5 seconds each, 100 red and green science at 15 seconds each, 200 red and green science at 30 seconds each, 75 red science at 30 seconds each.

That's 2600 seconds of red science crafting time. I will want at least three assembling machines making red science to be done in time

[heady fulcrum]

I did it!

22 minutes to spare

Made six red science assembling machines, twelve green, ten labs

[warm laurel]

Made a short trip to Gleba... somehow survived, not sure how I'm going to get power going steady there

[heady fulcrum]

Easy

I did it with 600 rare solar panels and 300 rare accumulators

Enough to set up burner based power

Enemies on gleba don't care about pollution and burnables are plentiful

[warm laurel]

Burners... I don't have those yet

[heady fulcrum]

You can't get to space without burners

A boiler is a burner

[warm laurel]

Oh okay

I mean did set up a few burners with turbines... but how do automate the process of getting burnables into them?

[heady fulcrum]

Same way you do on nauvis

Take them there with a belt and use an inserter

Spoilage can be burned, but the bulk of what you should burn is fruits

(until you have rocket fuel)

[warm laurel]

but how do you get those things over there automatically

Like I'm assuming the spoilage and fruits comes from the native plants

Is there some way to pluck them automatically other than bots?

[heady fulcrum]

Yes

Look in your research tree

[warm laurel]

Alright so something bothers me about fulgora

Since the islands with scrap are far apart from each other... is there a way to extend power poles or somehow get power across the little land islands?

[heady fulcrum]

No

Just use lightning collectors and accumulators, as well as sparse big miners with efficiency beacons

Or do what I did

Walk around until you find a really big island with lots of scrap

[warm laurel]

damn

[warm laurel]

I still haven't been able to figure out how to automate fueling electricity for gleba

I can't seem to get enough seeds to have a positive seed output, so eventually the farms run out

[heady fulcrum]

Seeds should go to the farms first

Additionally, use productivity modules and biochambers to get bonus seeds if you need to

Don't mash fruits with an assembling machine or by hand

[warm laurel]

Okay so plant seeds first, then the results go straight to biochambers, the seeds go back to the planters, and the mash goes to boilers?

[heady fulcrum]

Well the mash should probably be used, not burnt

If you burn anything, burn whole fruit, spoilage or rocket fuel

With productivity modules in a biochamber you should make a lot more seeds than you lose

[warm laurel]

Yeah but to use bio chambers you need to make nutrient to break down fruits

And nutrient only lasts like 2 minutes

[heady fulcrum]

You can make nutrients from anything very quickly and spend them

Biochambers that have reduced energy usage like with efficiency modules will also consume nutrients slower

[heady fulcrum]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1hmzahg/highest_possible_miner_output/

[warm laurel]

So you have to organize getting both nutrient and mash out of farms... damn this is getting complicated

[heady fulcrum]

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/any-planet-start

[subtle ferry]

Nice, I like that

[dusty niche]

I'm still surprised that needed to be a mod and not baked in

[frozen moss]

Starting on Nauvis:
Starting on Fulgora:
Starting on Vulcanus:
Starting on Gleba:

[heady fulcrum]

Fulgora is the easiest to start on

1- walk around until you find a big island.
2- Mine a vault for the recycler.
3- Start making everything from scrap.

There are no enemies and you can walk on the heavy oil ocean

[frozen moss]

Yeah, it's the easiest in terms of hostile environments, but it's also very annoying without robots, and the lightning will be a constant pain in the early game. Plus, not having raised railways makes things 10x more difficult.

[heady fulcrum]

I needed neither railways nor robots

All you really need is splitter filters

[frozen moss]

True, you don't need them, but it makes things immensely easier.

[warm laurel]

I think I'm gonna need another train line on fulgora

Also I think I've come to the conclusion that I just want to put a bit nuclear power plant on Gleba

[warm laurel]

I'm freaking stupid

I can't figure out how to automate the process of making nutrients, to power all the other stuff that makes green science

[heady fulcrum]

It's tricky

Easiest way is make a robot carry spoilage to a regular assembling machine, then have that machine activate when the whole base is out of nutrients

This machine's job is to feed one or two biochambers that makes nutrients for the rest of the base (ideally from bioflux which is long lived and maybe another spoilage one)

[maiden furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1296827941065326665/1322890363412942848/SPOILER_starmap.png?ex=67728528&is=677133a8&hm=7c8333ad63da9587fd5cc3bf8ddbbc32f477547f6078822e58bbc1a9b33d961e&

Nullius is working on their space age expansion

[pine echo]

Took a mod set to hilarious extremes

[heady fulcrum]

No oil anywhere in this seed

I should have made a car

I will need a train

[heady fulcrum]

Time for the achievements

This run has been a huge hassle thanks to Logistic Network Embargo

Finish research with space science pack for the base game or any planetary science pack for Space Age without building any active provider, buffer, or requester chests.

Still a long way to go

I'll need to make a belt-based fulgora base

[dusty niche]

LOL

[heady fulcrum]

I'm also getting Rush to Space Research a technology using another planet's science pack before unlocking production or utility science packs.

[heady fulcrum]

You can recycle blueprints to get higher quality ones! Just don't put them in your blueprint book

[dusty niche]

lol

[heady fulcrum]

The text of the logistic network embargo achievement is ambiguous. What it wants is any one research from another planet, not all research

[heady fulcrum]

Time to learn how to make a space platform without the benefit of all rare buildings

[heady fulcrum]

One trick Wube doesn't want you to know for Logistic Network Embargo

[warm laurel]

Suppsedly tanks on a conver belt is how you can move the most amount of stuff at a time

[heady fulcrum]

True!

But also irrelevant for most games

[heady fulcrum]

That was more effort than I expected

Tip for anyone trying to do it: Gleba is the quickest

I had all of these esssentials locked behind rush to space

[heady fulcrum]

Most well-defended patch of ore

[dire trout]

that 5k of copper is worth it tho

[heady fulcrum]

Help, the arrows

[dire trout]

Seems like the arrows are moving away, you should be fine

[heady fulcrum]

Underestimated the power spike

[thorn venture]

I've had that happen so many times. Just not building out enough solar when bringing a new smelter or a new part of the main line online.

[fluid owl]

Now I kinda learned our circuits work, I think I can find ways for this to never happen which is interesting

Like connecting a very power intensive part of the factory, like research, to a power switch and turn it off if capacitors are under a certain level

[heady fulcrum]

Yeah. It takes more work for me to set up and connect the circuit properly than it is to overbuild energy. In this run it happened because I had to rush to Fulgora without purple and yellow science

[midnight sapphire]

you can always just pile more circuitry to make things more complicated for future you/people you're playing with

[dire trout]

Hey that's actually how i learned how circuitry works, is from your stuff in the last server

[midnight sapphire]

glad to help

[dire trout]

Dang i just scrolled back really far to discover i never posted pics of my finished self-limiting kovarex loop that actually eats through u-238 faster than it's processed

We actually have so much u-235 backed up we have to turn the loop off. That's with making tank shells and bullets and atomic bombs and nuclear fuels

[warm laurel]

It's good to have a giant giant giant giant warehouse full of Nuclear fuel

[fluid owl]

Oh yeah I wasn't suggesting I was actually gonna do any of that, I just like that now I know how to do it, you know, theorically.

[heady fulcrum]

Today I learned demolishers demolish cliffs

Lured this idiot moron into clearing the area for me

[warm laurel]

lul

[warm laurel]

I got a little distracted by shadow of the erdtree... eventually I'll get back into factorio and try to figure out gleba

[heady fulcrum]

This setup will automatically consume and recycle low-quality uranium, leaving high quality uranium untouched

[heady fulcrum]

Fun sparse mining layout

[placid coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PHgiAMwrBw

[heady fulcrum]

Oh, people have been making a bunch of those

I've been ignoring them because it's not really in my best interest to take the puzzle out of the puzzle game. Regardless, this version looks cool

[midnight sapphire]

it also just seems real inefficient for most usecases of a mall

like sure for "craft me a power armour" but malls are usually i need like 60 of this item i use a bunch"

[heady fulcrum]

Help

I was stuck in the gleba hole and forgot about Nauvis and now my storage is full

[heady fulcrum]

Capture bot rockets

I should probably have set up infrastructure before capturing this one

[heady fulcrum]

https://erikmcclure.com/blog/factorio-is-best-interview-we-have/

[heady fulcrum]

This little setup takes two hours to use up all my uncommon copper and iron plates

[rapid moth]

Fun: Making a multi-stage blueprint to build my borg cube platform

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnj0Fp147II

[heady fulcrum]

Belt stacking is so convenient

A yellow belt can hold fifteen of these big drills each making 4 items per second

The big drills will wait until they can output a full stack of four items at a time, ensuring the space is used as efficiently as possible

[midnight sapphire]

[rapid moth]

Quality Ore

Try this: Quality forges turning lava into molten iron/copper

Now you got yourself infinite Quality Stone Ore

...but what if we can guarantee Legendary?

The most overpowered setup - make a spaceship that can hang out in Volcanus orbit indefinitely, and have it reprocess asteroids with quality modules until it is Legendary quality. Then grind the legendary rocks for legendary resources. Infinite Legendary Calcite. Now set the lava to iron/copper in the forge to Legendary, and BAM - infinite legendary Stone

we can do one better

Dedicate a similar space platform to making legendary coal with the same setup, and now you can make legendary plastic. Send that to Volcanus and make Legendary LDS in the forge. Recycle it. Infintie legendary copper, steel, and plastic.

[heady fulcrum]

You can guarantee legendary quality on any resource by simply crafting it into something and recycling repeatedly.

It's not a puzzle

[rapid moth]

This is OP though

[heady fulcrum]

It's how the game was designed

[rapid moth]

Recycling loops aren't anywhere as easy as legendary asteroid upcycling though - recycling loses 75 percent of the source materials, asteroid recycling only loses 20 percent at the most.

[heady fulcrum]

Loss is meaningless when the resources are infinite

[rapid moth]

but also the throughput is way better when you can guarantee legendary instead of playing the recycler casino

[heady fulcrum]

Is it? How do you measure throughput?

[rapid moth]

By having a main bus full of legendary resources

[heady fulcrum]

But both setups get you a main bus full of legendary resources. Does that mean they have identical throughput?

[rapid moth]

With fewer machines

[heady fulcrum]

Do you need fewer machines? Asteroid crushers are pretty slow and since you can only fit two quality modules you'll have to use a lot of them to keep up the pace. Not to mention how you still have to process the ore that you generated

[rapid moth]

use the first legendary materials you produce to make legendary crushers and grabbers.

[heady fulcrum]

But you can use them to make legendary recyclers instead

[dusty niche]

LOL

[frozen moss]

The average married Factorio player's experience

[thorn venture]

mine is "me and my wife running around in dual spidertrons"

[dusty niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRmW6AE9G24 LOL

[pine echo]

I think im missing 4 achievements

[heady fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/LoFne_hhW1s

[dusty niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGweruLxjI

[frozen moss]

Finally!

[subtle ferry]

This got me playing Factorio again today

Give me all the trash

[heady fulcrum]

Hell yeah

Share your trash recycling solution

[subtle ferry]

I don't want any help but at the moment I'm struggling to even get to fulgora

[heady fulcrum]

No worries

I'm curious to see what you do, not hold your hands

[fluid owl]

My solution was that I stopped playing Factorio, my brain was broken...
I'll get back to it at some point

[subtle ferry]

I also was throwing ammunition into space by accident https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/538489031315554325/1345844437900857567/20250302120414_1.jpg?ex=67c606ce&is=67c4b54e&hm=20c96ce656ebccfcf1da667df69c4a332ac289ca2a79283e84e96d4a7053261e&

[heady fulcrum]

Here are the priorities I have for a recycling plant:
||Ideally it should have a lane for each product and an overflow that minimizes waste, also, a machine that recycles scrap must only recycle scrap. If possible, it should also split different qualities.||

Classic

Fortunately ammo is free

... Laser turrets?

[subtle ferry]

Remember the "I don't want any help" bit

Lol

[heady fulcrum]

Well okay

Just make sure you read all the data presented to you

[subtle ferry]

I already removed them because I kept running out of power when I'd try to fly to Fulgora and back

[fluid owl]

I do love doing point defense

It's so cool

[heady fulcrum]

They should make it so electric turrets destroy asteroids

Fuck realism

[subtle ferry]

[Goliath Online]

I made it all the way to Fulgora and back, though it burn through all of the fuel in the tanks at the end.

[heady fulcrum]

Tower of guns

[fluid owl]

Yeah one thing I had to adjust through it, is that I had a ton of chem plants making a ton of fuel, but if you plan to let your ship stay in place for a bunch of time you don't actually need it that badly, as long as you have fuel tanks to accumulate the fuel in.

That said, later on I did start to automate some shipments from a planet to the other and in that case, being able to produce fuel faster came in handy

Since the ship didn't have to sit in orbit for quite as long while it refueled

[subtle ferry]

Woo!! I made it to the trash planet and my ship made it back home in one piece

So, just checking, at this point I'm totally stranded until I can build a space outpost, right? Then I can at least ship things to this planet, and eventually build a space station and launch myself back into my freighter?

[heady fulcrum]

No

You can at any point drop stuff from your ship to a random point near spawn, even without a landing pad

A landing pad just makes it possible to automatically handle the items.

In order to leave the planet, you need at a minimum the materials to make a rocket silo and one rocket

[subtle ferry]

Oh!! Sweet! Thank you, I'm glad I asked. Once my space freighter fuels back up I'm sending myself lots of goodies.

[heady fulcrum]

Hell yeah

I build my ship with so much storage that one trip gives me enough for a starter base and a trip back

[subtle ferry]

Are there any limitations on what can be dropped off onto a planet? For example, can I simply drop a bunch of robo ports and bots?

[heady fulcrum]

If you can launch it to space you can drop it down

That means no rocket silos, for example

[subtle ferry]

(Thanks for answering my questions, by the way. It's the most reliable way for me to avoid a "how to" guide without being totally in the dark)

[subtle ferry]

Perfect, thank you

[heady fulcrum]

Almost everything is fine to ship (and in the future may need to be shipped automatically)

Make sure to read factoriopedia for the planet you're in

Some buildings are useless or impossible to build in some planets

[subtle ferry]

Ah, gotcha

[heady fulcrum]

Alt click anything in the game to open its factoriopedia entry

[subtle ferry]

Oh hellll yeah, that's so cool!

I didn't know that. That's a good one

[heady fulcrum]

It's super good for revealing info that doesn't show up on mouseover. Some of it could only be found by wiki reading

[subtle ferry]

ohhh that's why Production science stopped all the sudden What are the odds... At least it's an easy fix. Silly me.

[heady fulcrum]

Does the game not have warnings for train stalling?

(I avoid this problem by exclusively making one train lines)

[subtle ferry]

No

[thorn venture]

one of the few things I use logistic robots for is putting fuel boxes by all of my train unload stations

[frozen moss]

An easy fix I can see is maybe making two spots, one on either side of the wall, where the trains can squeeze into and wait for a few seconds if the track detects that another train is coming, thus letting the first one pass. Might require a bit of programming and trial and error, but it should be possible to accomplish.

[heady fulcrum]

Just use chain signals

[subtle ferry]

Adjusting the regular signals so they're before the intersection is the fix here.

[heady fulcrum]

That is also valid

[subtle ferry]

It's been like this for well over 50 hours with no issue haha

I got a lot better with rails after playing on Fulgora.

[heady fulcrum]

Hell yeah

That's the best thing to come out of the DLC

Different challenges encouraging you to do things that were already possible but you wouldn't have done

[subtle ferry]

Yeah, totally agree

[midnight sapphire]

gotta be 1 way lines with an excessive number of chain signals everywhere

[dire trout]

Lunar aurora and i put in a railyard-dispatch system, where there's a bunch of nonspecific trains in a holding area that get sent to resource patches when they have a trainload ready, then drop the load off at the main base before returning to the railyard to await another load being ready somewhere

All that automation is entirely lunar's efforts though

[frozen moss]

Oh yeah, are you two still playing on that server together? You stopped streaming it a while back.

[dire trout]

kinda petered out, we got stuck on vulcanus. we got orange science automated but still had to build a silo to get back to the platform, which was slowly degrading as it lost the ability to defend itself

[frozen moss]

Yeah, you need to come prepared in Space Age, even on easy difficulties. It can be tricky if you don't bring enough supplies.

[heady fulcrum]

If you make a ship good enough to travel, you don't strictly need to come prepared; just take as many trips as you need. It does save time and effort to come prepared

[dire trout]

as we discovered

[subtle ferry]

ye ye simplicity is good and all but what about 4 trains, 2 loading stations on opposite sides of the island, & 2 offloading stations

[subtle ferry]

Oh I could color code them depending on their loading stations

[heady fulcrum]

And you can add map icons to make reading parts of the map easier

In the map view, click on add tag in the top right. Tags can be pretty handy to use!

[frozen moss]

Sometimes you just gotta go big and cool, rather than efficient.

[subtle ferry]

[pine echo]

Nuked a rogue spooderbot literally

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMAPwN0UyNE

Set up gates to lower, put them in a demolisher's zone, and watch it try repeatedly to destroy them

[maiden furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_6wY3vpvY

[subtle ferry]

I've been really enjoying DocJade's videos lately

Anyway I got eaten

[frozen moss]

Worm food. You have become one with the spice.

[frozen moss]

A RussianBadger video and a DoshDoshington video? I am eating good tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWrOQxTINuQ

[dusty niche]

that was a fun one

[thorn venture]

wife reached the solar system edge: https://factorio.com/galaxy/Bioflux II: Iota4-7.C4Z1/planets

[heady fulcrum]

Well done

[frozen moss]

Agamemnon

Ah, so your wife watches Babylon 5 too I see. :P

Her Nauvis, Vulcanus, and Fulgora bases look awesome! Love the train networks. Gleba looks like she wanted to get out of there fast, haha. Aquilo is clearly just a science station and an outpost to mine from.

Congrats to her!

[thorn venture]

She reads classic literature too. I think Agamemnon was more likely an Iliad reference than a B5 reference. Gleba she built a bad base and then a good base. Aquilo is like, eventually there's not that much left to do in the game other than go win, so she didn't do a ton there other than get the things that only come from there.

[frozen moss]

I mean, there isn't really much to do on Aquilo. It's mainly to finish up your research and get the last materials you need to reach the edge.

[thorn venture]

ahhh she says the reference is "both, but maybe 70% Iliad"

[frozen moss]

I hope they continue to update the new planets with new stuff. It'd be fantastic if all the planets had the same amount of content as Nauvis does.

[thorn venture]

"Agamemnon fights like a 300 lb linebacker playing red rover. He came to mind because of all the asteroids."

yeah, some of the planets seemed like there was very little of interest there

[frozen moss]

You know what, fair, lol

[thorn venture]

like build the most minimal base and then GTFO

[frozen moss]

Aquilo and Fulgora suffer the most from this, despite having some of the coolest challenges to deal with.

It'd be cool if they went full-blown Frostpunk with Aquilo, and gave us ice storms that ravage the planet that you have to constantly prepare for and battle against in order to expand into richer resource locations, and you had to do ice-breaking before you can build.

[thorn venture]

the worms were so funny. Such a difficult challenge and then railgun one shots.

[frozen moss]

Just to really lean into the challenge

[frozen moss]

The worms are great, yeah.

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhBV4Sk-4U0

[thorn venture]

tldw: once he overcame issues with laying the track (using a mod) and fueling the train (nuclear fuel stops every so often), it still crashes due to chunk generation eating up too much RAM, but on a 1/4 size world he can do it. The last minute and a half are a 600x view of the trip.

[heady fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/uHRrWZ-3hHg?

Kovarex is showing off how he debugs Factorio

[midnight sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP-xbHLoYSw

[dusty niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fDsaIIbAKo

[subtle ferry]

Lol oh sweet

Let's find out

[dusty niche]

laughed a lot at his defence method

[thorn venture]

I'd love a summary of the key tactics that's shorter than an hour

[heady fulcrum]

It's the old blocking spawns with pipes cheese

[frozen moss]

Ah, Doshdoshington. Never have I seen a more nonchalant and completely deadpan smartass play a game so well and make every single second of every video a goldmine for sarcastic wit, comedy, and knowledge.

Oh, also, he has excellent taste in montage music.

[heady fulcrum]

Watching the video, it looks like he doesn't do the old pipe placement cheese. He uses a combination of trainsaws and exploding nuclear reactors

As well as controlling pollution, of course

[subtle ferry]

It was good fun

[dusty niche]

TrainSaw is such a good name for it

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iGygoynrwU

[dusty niche]

oh thats going to be a nightmare. need to watch

lol im just at the start. wow thats sooo screwy looking

itlooks like lots of snakes

LOL the pipe mess is great

[subtle ferry]

Fun video. If you like their style, they have other interesting challenges

[pine echo]

I found a nightmare challenge, legendary Space Age but you have to keep Nauvis spawn alive, I tried it and even with about 22 players it's insanity

Every enemy being legendary quality tier? Yeahhhhhh no

[frozen moss]

@dire trout @radiant galleon I see you're both still awake. Good. Prepare to feast your eyes on man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/1nczfqw/but_have_you_ever_twistedetsiwt_your_bus/

[dire trout]

what a twist!

[frozen moss]

[radiant galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[placid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-13482335311702738935

[frozen moss]

Because apparently one man had a dream and that dream was to confuse and concern the fuck out of as many of his colleagues and peers as possible.

[midnight sapphire]

speaking of factorio, i may have got distracted and started a pyblock again

i do not know why i decided to make the start of my science so far away from my base, this turned out to be an awful idea, i have so little copper

spaghetti is very important, the engineer needs it to live

[frozen moss]

Spaghetti is love, spaghetti is life

I'm actually slowly planning a huge modded Factorio series. I'm gonna be playing Space Age with a whoooooooole bunch of new planets, technologies, buildings, enemies, and more, plus Death World settings.

It's gonna kick my ass and I won't know how to do any of it, but I want to do it eventually anyway because it's gonna be utterly ridiculous fun.

[midnight sapphire]

it is always great fun, though i aint the biggest fan of death world settings, especially in heavily modded playthroughs

[frozen moss]

And when I eventually somehow reach the edge of the solar system (and maybe the Shattered Planet? We'll see), I want to leave behind a vast empire of machinery, spaghetti belts, and roaring cities of electricity and madness.

Absolutely none of it will be perfectly efficient or orderly, lol.

Maybe a little bit here and there, but otherwise it's gonna be jam-packed everywhere I can fit it.

[frozen moss]

Oh, I love playing Death Worlds. The combat and tower defense in this game is actually one of my favorite parts. I love the thrill of pushing back against hordes upon hordes of enemies and slowly, inevitably laying down the walls of my fortress.

[midnight sapphire]

yippee, 7 hours in i've got my first science being produced at a grand total of 2 science per minute

[midnight sapphire]

got my first storage tank i dont start with, it stores 1 million fluid, but if you put any form of gas in it vents it

10/10 content

it also uses 18 of the pipe extent

[midnight sapphire]

just realised how far i am away from splitters

[midnight sapphire]

the all blue of logs and seaweed, i have reached it

[midnight sapphire]

~~also i decided to be reasonable and up game tick speed to 5* during the early game to stock resources ~~

but more importantly fish wind power using the most optimal power lines i promise

[midnight sapphire]

my average iron got *5'd and my average copper got *2'd to 10/m and 2/m respectively with my latest expansion, i have infinite power now

now i need to figure out how to up my copper production considerablybecause 2/m still aint cuttin it, and i need to make more fish windmills, my power consumption is cray cray at a wopping 5MW atm now

[frozen moss]

Oh cool, apparently at some point in the future, when the devs are done developing it, they're gonna make Factorio open source for the community to do whatever with.

...I hope that picture embedded okay.

If not, here's a zoomed in version to see the developers' response:

[midnight sapphire]

spaghetti is stored in the engineer, it just needs a sufficiently complex crafting recipe to flow out this setup still needs 8 different additional machines that will process 16 additional materials to run

pythanadons why are you like this, and more importantly, me why am i like this

unrelated i am producing to much iron now, i am shooting full steel chests so that i can get more delicous delicous copper

[frozen moss]

Isn't it Pyanadons?

Without the "th"?

[midnight sapphire]

it is! i am writing python scripts at work so i seem to be auto piloting pyth

[frozen moss]

Understandable

[rapid moth]

Enable All the Planets mod - gives you the whole smorgasboard of modded planets. There's a lot of unique challenges in these planets too.

[frozen moss]

Ooooooo

When I start my modded playthrough, I definitely will!

[frozen moss]

Hmmm, might use the lite version, with some modifications. Some planets in the full version like Tenebris and Naufulglebunusilo are not really necessary and are just bloat.

[midnight sapphire]

my fish and my fish alone have recieved paving

~~as i am back to playing this save ~~

i am going to be insane by the end of this

i have already starting making a shrine dedicated to fish

the fish shall grant me sanity if i worship them

[frozen moss]

I love how every Factorio player eventually devolves into insanity and forms a religious cult around either fish or some other part of their factory.

And also they just completely forget how the entire factory even works and just draw pentagrams in the dirt and pray if something ever breaks, in hopes of it fixing itself.

[pine echo]

wish me luck in not going crazy doing bob's aain

[midnight sapphire]

2.5 copper plates per minute

i'm RICH

i need to mass produce these

its very hard to calculate if this is more efficient than the really lazy method

after a lot of fancy calculations, i think my original "make lots of coal and void steam for ash" was a better method

this is in fact like 30% less efficient i think

it is going to remain anyway, the fish will be displeased if i remove it

[midnight sapphire]

never mind, i flipped a number in my calculation, it was 30% as effecient

this is way way way more boring :(

i need to stop leaving my factory running at 25* speed, my save time is already at 100 hours, and a lot of the time the factory has been doing litterally nothing

i need splitters, i dont know how to make factories without spliters everywhere , for if nothing else setting an ideal input

[midnight sapphire]

my next build for 1/3 of a yellow belt of wood will take thousands of copper and 50% of my current power usage

[midnight sapphire]

i ran out of space, so i made a quick 100 landfill a minute setup

none burner assemblers will also be a god send

[pine echo]

................

[heady fulcrum]

Not a problem with modern splitters

[pine echo]

still gonna a pain.........

[pine echo]

million distrctions later i got real research going at this point.....

[midnight sapphire]

i like the weird mixed deposits that you often end up with in bobs/angels, especially with the weird mining reqs some things have

[heady fulcrum]

After fulgora I developed a few good strategies for dealing with exactly that sort of problem

[pine echo]

It'll make for interesting strategy to deal with it all

[pine echo]

finally got electronics

[midnight sapphire]

anyway, i should proabbly stop being a gremlin and actually actually automate my science

rather than the weird jank like 20-30% automated setup i have

nice and simple for the checks notes first science

wait shit, i fell for my overcomplication again

new recipe split in 2 because the matrix solver cant calculate the fact i'm getting my ash from burning coal in a boiler

[midnight sapphire]

i am in trouble power wise, i need to either build a real fancy powerplant or spam some more fish

duping my wood farm and just feeding it all into boilers could work indefinetly but that shit is costly

and big

my main one isn't even complete yet because i dont have enough copper

and the farm buildings alone are almost the same space as my FishNA windfarm fans

i could probably make a tileable moss burner

though that would leave me like, 6mw positive for all of that

i think my best bet still is my FishNA strands, if only i could figure out a way to lower the power pole cost

[midnight sapphire]

i have run into a problem i did not expect, i do not know if i can physically handle inputting 900 items a minute into boilers

thats 30 items a second, my fastest 'input' method is 3.75, except i dont have splitters yet, and that requires the belt going directly onto it

this is the fastest i can easily input into a boiler, which is frankly already an insane setup

apparently i need 12 inserters for a full yellow belt, i'll setup 4 boilers that run real unoptimally

whilst i am still enjoying it, so far seablock was more fun at this point, theres lots of little bits like the above that just feel more annoying than fun to deal with

maybe i'm just more used to the angel bobs recipes, i had some experience with that prior seablock, compared to py's

[pine echo]

rainbow dash colors anypony?

[pine echo]

there's now a lavablock mod

[midnight sapphire]

yipee

[midnight sapphire]

yeahhhh, i'm dumping pyblock and swapping to lavablock or something else for a bit theres something missing in pyblock atm for me, maybe when i try again

maybe if i did a base py runthrough it woulda gone better

[midnight sapphire]

lavablock fun but defo feels like a 0.0.10 of a mod

[pine echo]

can NOT make a good sorter to save my rump

[midnight sapphire]

i mean, is there a problem with it being like that?

[pine echo]

needs more storage cap than two steel chests worth, and im on a friend's server

[midnight sapphire]

i mean, your only real choice in vanilla for 'bigger' are vehicles which are less space efficient, unless you craft them into something else

[pine echo]

true

[midnight sapphire]

you also have the full gremlin option of 'who needs to sort things; fuck it fill the entire area with bot chests'

[pine echo]

think im cooking here with that blank message

[pine echo]

bruh

[dire trout]

The idea has been floated about starting another manechat server

This time we can go to the other planets as a group

[midnight sapphire]

i can guarantee no certain amount of time, but i shall appear to add over complicated things at arbitrary intervals

[heady fulcrum]

I'm interested, but I feel like I want structure to hold my interest. Not sure what sort of structure would work best

[dire trout]

Just thought you should know, last time i learned how circuitry worked from studying your contraptions on the server

And i used that knowledge to build a self-balanacing kovex loop

[radiant galleon]

the kovarex loop was nice
i liked the automated train dispatch system too
when the trains weren't trying to kill me

[thorn venture]

I wonder if Factorio works on OpenMandriva

[frozen moss]

I'd be interested, if I could find the time. It's been a while since I flexed my Factorio muscles, but I've been watching videos again lately, and it'd be good practice for a solo run.

[dire trout]

yeah kovarex that's it

[subtle ferry]

I just wanna build on trash planet

I love that planet

[thorn venture]

I'm bad at all the other planets but I'm good at "yeah I can run around fixing things at home and shooting biters, fuck biters"

[pine echo]

im game for this, plus i know my stuff

[pine echo]

Fulgora or Rubia?

[frozen moss]

Fulgora, most people don't know about all the modded planets.

It would be a vanilla playthrough, I'm guessing

Unless Rom wants to go all out, lol

[pine echo]

bnnuy inspired planet

[rapid moth]

Factorio has linux native builds

[pine echo]

🤔

[slender storm]

If anyone’s open to a fresh Factorio + Space Age server, I’d be happy to host one. I’d just have to reset my existing server. (I wouldn’t miss it)

[slender storm]

I've created a fresh server for Manechat.

Factorio + Space Age. The expansion is required to join. It's otherwise vanilla with rail world style settings.

Server name: Manechat
URL: midnighthack.tech
Password: none
Server version: 2.0.72 (This will change as updates are released. Generally it should be the current version.)

Ping @slender storm with your player name so that I can add you to the whitelist. Let me know if there are any issues with connecting to the server. It should be available 24/7/365.

[midnight sapphire]

i do not know if i will have time enough to do anything since a ffxiv patch just dropped and i gots a bunch a christmas shit to do, however

@slender storm whitelist me please; TheEpicChipmunk

[slender storm]

Added

[dire trout]

@slender storm romulus4444

also might be sparse until after this weekend

[slender storm]

Added, and added Lothar as well

Let me know if anyone has issues connecting. Should be fine.

[dire trout]

thanks!

[dusty niche]

hmmm im about to start leave. maybe its an excuse to play factorio again

[slender storm]

Oh, whoops, need to fix part of the server's startup script

There we go

Had an issue with the whitelist not actually being used

[dusty niche]

oops

[slender storm]

#!/bin/sh

# Make tmux output work
export TERM=xterm 

# paths
BASE_DIR="/home/factorio/factorio_server/factorio"
BIN="./bin/x64/factorio"
SETTINGS="./data/server-settings.json"

cd "$BASE_DIR" || exit 1

ARGS="--start-server-load-latest --server-settings $SETTINGS"

# Add optional settings if they exist
if [ -f "./data/map-gen-settings.json" ]; then
    ARGS="$ARGS --map-gen-settings ./data/map-gen-settings.json"
fi
if [ -f "./data/map-settings.json" ]; then
    ARGS="$ARGS --map-settings ./data/map-settings.json"
fi
if [ -f "./data/server-adminlist.json" ]; then
    ARGS="$ARGS --server-adminlist ./data/server-adminlist.json"
fi
if [ -f "./data/server-whitelist.json" ]; then
    ARGS="$ARGS --use-server-whitelist --server-whitelist ./data/server-whitelist.json"
fi

exec $BIN $ARGS

There we go

[dusty niche]

hmmm going to make a guess on the bug being not having Args added to the existing args with each if statement

[slender storm]

More specifically, have to actually pass it --use-server-whitelist

In the rest of them it implicitly uses the settings

[dusty niche]

oh differnt then what i thought

i made an oops in a script the other week where i was doing similar

but i didnt put ARGS="$ARGS
iut was just ARGS="new if args"

so yeah the last one that actually matched the if was the only args

hitting my head against stupid bug for like an hour

[slender storm]

https://gist.github.com/TallonRain/ead5aaeae9e034b5cc1ee3cb5a9e3e0e Also here's the full script that actually manages the whole thing.

'tis a mess

Been using this for about a year without issues though

[midnight sapphire]

to break the ice i have added the most pointless piece of circuitry that i could have just fixed the problem instead for

[slender storm]

Heh excellent

[dire trout]

Fuck me, i was scrolling back to look for this and i found this comment

I need to log back on to that save and get pics of my setup

[radiant galleon]

I should find all of my rail blueprints again
that self dispatching rail system we had was fricken nice

and it only killed me twice

[midnight sapphire]

countrerpoint, new ones again

i can make even sillier rail segments this time

[dire trout]

The segments are nothing but donuts of various sizes

[midnight sapphire]

each rail segment comes with a timer module that measures how long since a train has come through

[radiant galleon]

We had our old one set up with a fully automated self dispatching system
All of the trains were generic and could be called to any pickup point on the network on demand and would automatically drop off where they were needed
Need more trains? Just add more staging tracks to the depot and they'll be automatically included into the system

[midnight sapphire]

yeah, but wheres the fun copying and pasting that

[dire trout]

Watching it work!

[radiant galleon]

it worked and was decently efficient
less time spent dealing with signalling, more time fixing other factory problems

[dire trout]

Or hitching rides on the trains and seeing where you end up

[slender storm]

Lunar, would you like to join the server?

I could whitelist you

[radiant galleon]

sure
i'll hop on when i've got a bit of spare time
LunarAurora is my IGN

[slender storm]

Cool cool

Done

[midnight sapphire]

i was left unsupervised so theres now a 6-12 belt balancer

whoever hops on after me is gonna have so much spaghetti to clean

[midnight sapphire]

sure, this is a reasonable place to leave off for the night (there is geniunly no train infrastructure setup)

[dire trout]

just add train lol

[subtle ferry]

wake me up when we are at trash planet

Also why did y'all start a Factorio server in the middle of secret santa week omg ruuuude

[pine echo]

If that one is still up, Kyle372

[slender storm]

Yep yep

Give me a moment

[pine echo]

Considering off topic circumstances are keeping me awake that can't be discussed I'll join rn

[slender storm]

Cool, just SSH’d into my server from my phone and added you to the whitelist

[pine echo]

nice

[pine echo]

problem cannot find game, and im on 2.0.72

[slender storm]

You need to manually point to my URL, it’s not listed as a public game.

The URL is midnighthack.tech

Multiplayer > Connect to Address

[pine echo]

Ok got it, didnt work first time

my bad!

[slender storm]

How do we want to set up the train loaders? Directly off belt? Or belt>inserter>cache>inserter>train?

And what length of train do we want to standardize on?

Also, a notice to everyone playing who might not have realized: This server is not peaceful.

It just has a modestly expanded starting buffer. No other changes.

....or at least, it shouldn't be? I didn't think the buffer was that large

[pine echo]

problem is i RARELY used trains, only time is when others made them, i think i tried once solo but i had no idea what i was doing..... so im no help there sadly

but i can take a hoof at it

[slender storm]

Yeah, I'm mostly a beginner at it

I only know some basic stuff

I think Rom is the train guy

[pine echo]

despite me having 11,179 hours in this lol, i mostly did mp where others did the the stuff i didnt know

at least i know defense for bugs

[midnight sapphire]

i did setup some v basic turrets, but didn't bother going to crazy

loading from a cache will probably be best

[dusty niche]

It's been years since I played and while it's tempting while I am on leave to join I also really want to get down reding in. I've been pondering finding some readings of fics I haven't read yet so I can play and listen

[slender storm]

Agreed

Also, I found the biters

Still a bit before the pollution hits them

[dusty niche]

Out of curiosity when in server mode does the server halt when no one is on or does it keep going

[slender storm]

What I haven't found is oil

Time pauses when nobody is logged in

[dusty niche]

Good to know

[slender storm]

You can set it to run continuously

[dusty niche]

Lol that sounds like it would be a disaster with biters

[slender storm]

Yep yep XD

If it was set to peaceful mode then that could be potentially fine

[dire trout]

that's lunar

[slender storm]

Ah

[dire trout]

i don't know if i have a thing, maybe setting up nuclear stuff

[slender storm]

I did work out how to get a train network going in my solo server, but my designs weren't ideal

[dire trout]

on my own i just do really basic stations at the resource hubs and and unloading hub at main base

[dusty niche]

Last time I played I grabbed an online blueprint book. I was never a big fan of getting the rails and stations right and well some people had really good designs

Especially ones handling 2 lane systems

[slender storm]

Blueprints are fine

I've learned a bit from some blueprints

And yeah, I've mostly just copied other people's designs in this game haha

[dusty niche]

Mall blueprints are crazy and took some fun out of things but were useful after starter base when you need to pick up and move

[slender storm]

Yep yep

[dusty niche]

And to think blueprints came in reletavily recently to my factorio time

I can't remember the 1st version I was playing but it was early in it's beta time. Hell I bought my copy on their site when buying it got your name on the radars

[dire trout]

i am very bad at being optimal

belt spaghetti everywhere

or worse, pipe spaghetti

i can't wait to hop on and do some stuff

sadly, gotta wait until after the weekend though

[dusty niche]

Sushi belt time

[dire trout]

well i'm not that bad

every item gets its own belt, or half-belt

[slender storm]

I did kill cliffs so that we wouldn’t have so much spaghetti

Well, forced spaghetti

Make things easier on us for setting up a main bus

[dusty niche]

I was never a fan of cliffs

[slender storm]

Yeah me neither

[dusty niche]

Sure they make the map look less flat but they ended up seeming pointless when so easily destroyed

[pine echo]

got some extra power setup

if i can build the rest, that extra is 14.4MW of power alone

[radiant galleon]

I have a book of rail blueprints somewhere
once set up it's a fully automated dispatch system

[slender storm]

I drove waaaaay out and finally found an oil field

We're definitely going to need some good trains

Also going to need a bug exterminator

I'm kinda surprised at how hard it was to find oil

[pine echo]

yeah no kidding, for feathers sake i may need to mass prod landfill just so we get oil

[pine echo]

Midnight want me to do that? make landfill so we can get oil?

or do we relocate north

[slender storm]

We can do whatever! This is a community effort, so whatever y'all want to do
That said, some landfill is good to have. Would be handy to have a landfill factory set up.

This will end up being a railworld anyway, so we'll need to set up train routes and a large hub. I suggest we probably won't need to relocate the main base, we're going to end up with a bunch of outposts regardless.

So what I would suggest is setting up an oilfield outpost, surround it with walls and turrets, clear out surrounding nests, and set up a rail route from there to the main base. Maybe designate the big empty northern region of the base for oil processing??

[pine echo]

sounds good, be back on later, checking out some other factorio games

[pine echo]

found more but no resources near it

@slender storm

still looking for perfect spot, ill try to not reveal too much map

[slender storm]

Nice

[pine echo]

cant find anything, gave up

[slender storm]

Welp, I was just destroyed by bugs.

Unrelatedly, I’m now mass manufacturing ammo.

Aw, they evolved

[frozen moss]

This reads like the last few entries of a diary of a dead man, lol

[slender storm]

[slender storm]

I managed to unlock the oil tech tree

[frozen moss]

Oh no, you've brought peace () and freedom (🇺🇸) to Nauvis.

[placid coral]

Your new Empire Nauvis?

[dire trout]

getting on the server finally

looks like we need to get oil back to main base for processing

i want to get uranium going, so i need sulfuric acid

ah, still need blue science

ok just getting a handle on what's what

looks like we need to get trains going

[slender storm]

Yep yep. Need trains, need a hub plan, probably need a more reasonable iron and copper factory....

We're just at the early bootstrapping phase

[dire trout]

ya some areas are a bit rough

excellent, room to do stuff

[slender storm]

I put down an expanded research hub with eight inputs, but then realized it might be in the way...

[dire trout]

ok, the current task we are going to do i build an initial train hub at main base, and another station at the oil area and start getting oil shipments going

[dire trout]

oil train loading now

this fucker loads FAST

oilfield completely hooked up!

now we are out of research so i guess it's blue science time

[radiant galleon]

there's only one train running on the loop right now but I had to do my thing and signal it anyways
should be enough signals in the proper places to prevent a deadlock if a 2nd oil train is added

[dire trout]

sulfur, plastic, and sulfuric acid now in production

[radiant galleon]

Blue science is being made, and research down the robotics tree has been queued

[slender storm]

Logistics robots are now available. Just awaiting mass production

[radiant galleon]

Personal roboport is available as well, and the first tiers of the speed+capacity upgrades are currently researching or in the queue.

Chugging along on the blue science stuff

[radiant galleon]

first rail junction is built!
now to start on the depot
it's perfectly aligned to the map tiles, too
personal roboport makes this so much easier

[dusty niche]

lol are you all in agreement on which side of the tracks is in and out

last time i played multiplayer ohhh soo many years ago had some very amusing train crashes due to people in differnt counteries using differnt sides of the track

[radiant galleon]

the signals are always on the right side of the track, my rail blueprints are all prebuilt :P

[dusty niche]

australia uses the Left side of the road and i did all my stuff with the signals ont he left/inside track. when the american and canadians did everything on the right and the outside side of the track

[slender storm]

I think we should use the American convention in this case since the majority of players are from there

[radiant galleon]

which is how all of my blueprints are, so that's fine
signals on the right, right hand drive on the tracks

[dusty niche]

awwwww i wanted to see crashes

[radiant galleon]

there won't be any if i build this right
all of the track is presignalled in the blueprints too

[dusty niche]

sad wolf is sad. no kaboom

[slender storm]

Don’t worry, there’s still lots of bugs to viciously destroy

Should get around to issuing eviction notices to the local residents at some point

[slender storm]

Oh, and let me know if there are ever any significant performance issues with the server.

[radiant galleon]

5 trains waiting for Dispatch to destinations
now they just need somewhere to go

been busy layin rail

[dire trout]

oil production facility

[radiant galleon]

ok it's almost 5 am
Rom and I gotta force ourselves to go to bed
Damn this game, it removes your ability to sleep xD
made lots of progress on things though

[dire trout]

time to update our furnaces to electric

[dire trout]

power crisis! resolved with switching boilers back to coal and increasing capacity while getting uranium stuff started

rocket silo tech is researching now

[radiant galleon]

nuclear power research is complete
now we just gotta build it

[radiant galleon]

we're gonna need to issue eviction notices stat
we just had a biter sighting
it was only 3 of them but that's how it begins

[slender storm]

[radiant galleon]

we almost have nuclear power online
the nuke plant is almost built
we're just waiting on the first train of ore to start processing fuel

[dire trout]

nuclear power online

[slender storm]

We're having a lot of bug problems

[radiant galleon]

[slender storm]

Frantically trying to expand military capabilities

[dire trout]

nuclear power is gainful now, fuel amount is increasing. there are several things to do next: get purple science up, get yellow science up, get the rocket silo built, and fortify the perimeter

either way we need to drastically expand red and green circuit production, and eventually blue circuits. and in doing that, we'll need to reinforce our iron and copper production

[radiant galleon]

i made an oopsie with my circuit network and it wasn't sending trains to the uranium 'cause it thought the pickup station had far less than it did
i fixed it tho and now uranium is happily flowing

[dire trout]

we'll need to set up copper and iron unloading stations near the acid station probably, then we can start plopping down remote mining bases with train stops

the blue/black -> purple/yellow jump is pretty gnarly

thanks for setting up the server again, this is a lot of fun playing all together

[dire trout]

what's funny is this never happened in the slightest

this is the first factory i've played that didn't have a massive solar panel/accumulator field

[heady fulcrum]

Electric furnaces can take efficiency modules

[slender storm]

Just haven't gotten around to it yet I guess

[radiant galleon]

i should probably actually transfer my rail blueprints into the game library so others can put down rail too
it's all sized perfectly to align to the map chunks
sorry about running that rail right through the science belts, they just happened to be on the center of a chunk

[radiant galleon]

we're maxed out on mil research shortly

we're starting to get more bugs on the fringes of the base
we're getting explosives production going
we're gonna need big guns soon

[slender storm]

Big guns soon

[radiant galleon]

unfortunately we need to go to space before we get nukes

[radiant galleon]

first rocket is on the way!

[frozen moss]

One down and a million to go

[slender storm]

[radiant galleon]

first platform is built!
now we send up an assload of platform tiles and other materials to start making space science

[dire trout]

base is surrounded by a double thicc wall

needs turrets at key points though

[radiant galleon]

Space/white science is now being made

[dusty niche]

Lol I read that as spicy white science

I think I prefer that name niw

[radiant galleon]

Kovarex has been unlocked
we are so close to nukes
need yellow science

logistics bots

[radiant galleon]

space research is mostly done

[dire trout]

the walls are mostly decently automated with defense, bots will repair and replace walls and turrets at the chokepoints

the kovarex loop has been started, just waiting for critical mass

we need to tidy up our internals a bit to shore up the basics so we can expand red circuits and steel, which are the current bottlenecks

[frozen moss]

Please tell me you're going to Best Planet (Vulcanus) first

[dire trout]

nowhere close to leaving nauvis yet

[frozen moss]

Ah

[dire trout]

popping on

[dire trout]

atomic bomb tech is researching

[dire trout]

behold @midnight sapphire we've hooked up your megabalancer to 12 parallel furnace lines

[dusty niche]

Damn that's one convoluted load balancer

[radiant galleon]

my automatic train dispatching is working perfectly

[dire trout]

61million iron in process and transport

[radiant galleon]

it's beautiful

[placid coral]

Yes it is.

[echo bloom]

https://youtu.be/cTPBGZcTRqo

Dude installed factorio onto floppydisks and beat it

[heady fulcrum]

Wow maybe I won't watch this on an embed

That's 23 ads

[dusty niche]

sponsorblock is only showing 1 block for me is that sponsorblock ads highlighted or regular ads injected by youtube?

[heady fulcrum]

These are regular youtube ads

[dusty niche]

ewwww

[echo bloom]

Id watch the sponsor section btw
Its funny

Oh
They sold out lol

[radiant galleon]

I may have done a smaaaaaaaal upgrade to our nuke plant
we are now producing over 500MW of power

also the entire perimeter is now surrounded by laser turrets

[frozen moss]

I can hear the distant sounds of Doshdoshington sighing, lol

[dire trout]

kovarex loop

[frozen moss]

I'm green with envy :P

[midnight sapphire]

it was only like that so it would cleanly load into a train if its just processed on spot then it should probably just be a 6-6 balancer

[radiant galleon]

It's 2x as efficient to process on the spot and ship plates, as you can fit 2x the plates in a rail car vs ore.
And we're using 4 rail car trains so we just split the 12 belts into furnace lanes and merged those down to 4 for the loading lanes for the train

[dire trout]

there were 12 belts coming from the balancer so i made 12 parallel furnace lines with 6 output lines merged into 4 for the train cars

[slender storm]

Might need some help with clearing out bug nests around the perimeter. They're expanding back into the pollution zone pretty frequently

Also they ate up the copper mine while I was clearing out some nests. I repaired it, but it needs some turrets

[subtle ferry]

DocJade is always a good time. This video was wild. It had almost nothing to do with Factorio, but I really liked how dedicated he was to the bit. It was, like, 15 minutes of talking about programming code and file system and then, out of nowhere "and here is purple science done"

[slender storm]

First atomic bomb has been made

[radiant galleon]

[slender storm]

Of course we don't actually have a means to actually launch it

[radiant galleon]

we should have plenty of fissile uranium if the Kovarex loop is doing its job

[slender storm]

We do

Biggest issue right now is a lack of advanced circuits

Super starved of those

[maiden furnace]

always starved of advanced circuits

[radiant galleon]

you can actually just stick nukes in the handheld rocket launcher

aoe size is 35 and the range is 54 with the handheld launcher, so as long as you plonk it near the end of the max range, you shouldn't nuke yourself
shouldn't

[dire trout]

Yeah i always used them in the handheld launcher

You can also make nuclear tank shells i believe. That's what we used on the Big Worm on vulcanus

[radiant galleon]

uranium shells, not nukes
the nukes can only go in the handheld launcher, rocket turret, or spidertron

[slender storm]

Ahhh

[thorn venture]

nukes are great at taking out whole biter bases

on rare occasions I've run into bases where 2 nukes wasn't quite enough

[dire trout]

We used the nukes quite effectively on a previous server

Also yeah it was the uranium shells not nukes against the worm

[thorn venture]

worms are so tough

[dire trout]

I think we kited it through an area lined with turrets that also used uranium ammo

[radiant galleon]

we did
fuckload of turrets full of uranium ammo and carefully bait the worm
you have to kill at least one of them on Vulcanus to get the planet's resources for its science pack

[dire trout]

This time we need to make a more robust traveling platform so we don't strand ourselves again

Probably get a roboport with repair drones up there

[frozen moss]

Poison capsules actually eat through worms (the small ones anyway) like acid. It instantly neutralizes their regen ability if you lure the worms through a field of the stuff and allows the turrets to make short work of them.

But ultimately, I think those big Tesla tower lighting turrets are the way to go.

[dire trout]

well, if you go to the lightning planet first

[radiant galleon]

What if we do trash planet first
All hail Gleba sushi belts

[slender storm]

I've done a few minor improvements and threw together a couple extra microfactories

The copper mine is now protected. It kept getting eaten occasionally.

[frozen moss]

You know, out of context, this is a very hilarious statement, lol

[radiant galleon]

we have enlightened some of the locals on the power of Atom

[slender storm]

The bug deleters.

[radiant galleon]

and our trains are now nuke powered
they do a hecking nyoom

[slender storm]

Oh I didn't realize you could do that

[heady fulcrum]

Makes them accelerate a lot faster and the fuel lasts pretty long per stack

[dire trout]

what's funnier is using a burner inserter on a nuclear fuel line, they'll power themselves with the nuclear fuel

[slender storm]

Try getting me now, bugs

[radiant galleon]

[slender storm]

Alas, the tank can't accept the nuclear fuel

That would've been pretty hilarious

Oh, right, nuclear fuel as opposed to fuel cells

Ugh, dang, I'm somehow getting a fair bit of lag even though this server is inside my own network

Any issues on anyone else's end?

[radiant galleon]

none for us

[slender storm]

Guess my wifi just sucks, then

[radiant galleon]

There is now a travel capable space platform available, and logistics requests are set up to fully stock it with the materials to build a silo and 4 rockets immediately upon arrival to a new planet

we could leave Nauvis for one of the other planets right now if we wanted to

[pine echo]

Became obsessed with Hextorio now

[dire trout]

while the space platform is ready to take people to other planets, we'll need to tidy up the main factory a bit first, so it takes care of itself while away

we'll have to rearrange a lot of it to make a bit more spatial sense now that we don't needs belts for everything

[slender storm]

Interestingly, my Macbook Pro loads Factorio like 3x faster than my heavyweight PC does

Kinda weird

[dusty niche]

faster local storage in the macbook?

[slender storm]

Yeah, but the difference shouldn't be that substantial.

[pine echo]

solo takedown of a Hextorio mid difficulty dungeon

[dire trout]

this describes our new year's eve https://derpibooru.org/images/3742162

[slender storm]

I performed some maintenance work on the server as part of a broader internal network update. The server was down for a couple minutes, but is back up again now. Factorio should be running normally and I don’t expect any further downtime. If there are any connectivity problems, please let me know.

And for in-game news, I upgraded the copper belt to improve throughput there. The green circuit output has been improved as a result.

[heady fulcrum]

https://www.tumblr.com/shencomix/805285192554151936? 5 images

Shen Comix

-# #shen comix #comic #comics

Tumblr · Jan 9, 2026, 5:30 PM

[slender storm]

Wait, is Stardew not an automation game?

[heady fulcrum]

It has automation in it, but it incentivizes you to do more

[slender storm]

Rude

I need my farm robots

[heady fulcrum]

It doesn't punish you for automation, just rewards exploration

[slender storm]

How dare the game try to make me be a real adult

I don't need to talk to my neighbors, I need to optimize the world

[radiant galleon]

@slender storm would you mind rolling back to the latest autosave?
Rom kinda accidentally nuked himself and deleted a bunch of the factory

[slender storm]

Ooofffff

On my way

[dire trout]

despite keeping my nuke not selected, i somehow switched to it and bonked the spacebar

[slender storm]

[dire trout]

i had it down to mostly assemblers left to rebuild

but yeah, oopsie doodle

[slender storm]

Alright, going by the timestamps on the autosaves, looks like we're rolling back by a bit over 20 minutes

[dire trout]

ok

thanks for taking care of that

[radiant galleon]

cool, we can deal with 20 minutes

[slender storm]

Oh that... didn't work? Why didn't that work....

??????????

It seems to not want to load the older save?

[dire trout]

if you gotta resume where we were that's ok too

[slender storm]

Or maybe I'm moving things around incorrectly somehow, which... doesn't make sense to me

I mean I could, either way is fine with me

Just don't want to leave y'all hanging for too long

[dire trout]

we can resume post-nuke

[radiant galleon]

yeah if you can't get it we can just keep rebuilding

[slender storm]

Welp

Not sure why it's not behaving the way it should

Can't seem to make it roll back and I'm actually really confused as to why

Well it's fine, I've repaired the sector

[dire trout]

i'm back in

thanks!

[slender storm]

2.428 Loading map /usr/home/factorio/factorio_server/factorio/saves/_autosave5.zip: 10347504 bytes.

........I'm sorry????

it's loading from... _autosave5.zip? ANd not.... world.zip???

What.

What shenanigans have occurred.

[dire trout]

it's only 10 MB?

[slender storm]

total 160830
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10333538 Jan  4 14:14 _autosave1.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10244006 Jan  1 03:27 _autosave10.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10264241 Jan  1 14:37 _autosave11.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10243572 Jan  2 18:26 _autosave12.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10233541 Jan  2 18:46 _autosave13.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10255150 Jan  2 19:06 _autosave14.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10270174 Jan  4 13:54 _autosave15.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10321042 Jan  8 23:01 _autosave2.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10341746 Jan 10 20:01 _autosave3.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10347504 Jan 10 21:10 _autosave5.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10371949 Jan 10 21:29 _autosave6.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10207169 Jan  1 02:27 _autosave7.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10237415 Jan  1 02:47 _autosave8.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10243533 Jan  1 03:07 _autosave9.zip
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10362782 Jan 10 20:51 nuked_world.zip.bak
-rw-r--r--  1 tallonrain  midnighthack  10364583 Jan 10 20:21 world.zip```