Minecraft

[timid oyster]

There was a time where each update was like "holy shit"

Now it's one in a while

[flat geode]

Honestly, my hope for their secret plan is that they are making those updates while doing the drops

If their master plan is all updates being like that, taking two years and keeping with smaller drops in between, I think I can get behind that

[dusty thunder]

Same here. Probably hopium on our part, but we can dream of massive updates.

[harsh blaze]

Quality > Quantity every day

[dusty thunder]

Thankfully most of what Mojang has added in these drops is quality stuff, but a most of it is decorative or environmental, with very few new systems. I'm not complaining, mind you, I looooove the new blocks, the happy ghast, and the copper golem.

I just want an End Update.

Now that Silksong is out we need to make Endposts.

[mint cypress]

dw im already on it
im spamming about how enderite is real and coming tomorrow

[dusty thunder]

Nah, that one's old. We need something new.

Say that Enderite is already out and that it's so well hidden in the game even Mojang can't remember how to find it. :P

Throw in some made-up Endermite easter eggs for good measure, to make the lore theorists go insane.

[novel mica]

i think i just found a bug night vision causes weird colourshifts at sunset

[flat geode]

I think that's intentional. The fog changes color when looking at the sunset and when it rains it gets very foggy

Night Vision seems to increase that effect. They did change their rendering orders recently to add the enviromental fog

[novel mica]

yeah but it occurs even when your not looking at the sky

did not see the end of the video

[flat geode]

It works if you look at blocks, you just have to look in the direction of the sun at sunset or sunrise

[grave ravine]

it's intended, fog color changes according to view direction

(this has been around since Beta 1.8)

rain tends to make the effect more obvious, night vision even more so

[novel mica]

weird

[surreal hearth]

We ended up doing Prominence 2

Finished the campaign today. We completed chapter one being super optimized with our builds, then it turns out chapter 2 was literally one boss since it's unfinished. We killed him in like two minutes

Pretty fun, but its not super well documented, and a few enchants are OP

[dusty thunder]

Well, glad you had fun at least!

Tbh, I didn't expect you guys to pick that one, haha

I thought you were gonna go for the one about regrowing the world

[surreal hearth]

I did too, but I got outvoted

[flat geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wU2j5KyMX4

The new debug tools have a panorama feature

[harsh blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QU20HMPZ3M
this is old news, but they don't even mention an actual next update, just more game drops

welcome back 1.7.10

[flat geode]

In my heart, 1.8.9 wins. Some 1.7 versions were technically pre-releases

[elfin heart]

game drops ARE the updates

they switched the model from 1-2 updates a year to 4ish game drops

[flat geode]

I'm 89% sure they're still doing major updates

[elfin heart]

yeah I checked the wiki, and it says there are plans for more major updates in the future, but they’re currently using the game drop formula

[novel mica]

WIP obviously

this took around 17 stacks of spruce logs

[fleet marlin]

Woag

[rich cove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6L0f0QW42eM?si=IQZqhUUtdVKAC1G2

[rich cove]

Would anyone like a cursed headcanon I just thought of?

[mint cypress]

what is it

[rich cove]

Ender Pearls are just the Endermen's kidney stones

Because they can't drink water to flush out the minerals properly

[timid oyster]

Wha

[surreal hearth]

you weren't lying, thats very cursed

[flat geode]

Is this part of the peeing enderman thing?

[rich cove]

...........maybe

[timid oyster]

endermen pee?? ??

[flat geode]

When Tubbo went to Mojang HQ they had bathroom etiquette signs there

One of them was a peeing enderman

[dusty thunder]

Okay, can we please stop talking about this? It's weird.

[flat geode]

I'm fine with that lol

[mint cypress]

anyway, End Update tomorrow

[flat geode]

Yeah, end update tomorrow

[rich cove]

The update to end all updates

We'll be getting a new dimension called The Start (Codenamed: The Beginning)

[flat geode]

I think the beginning is a better name

[rich cove]

(I know but Mojang would be the type to switch it. just sayin)

Anyways, The Beginning is full of Withers and new wither mobs

[flat geode]

You see, the song titled "Beginning" is at the END of Minecraft Volume Alpha. End Update!

[mint cypress]

it would be funny if the End update was straight up the last and final update

[mint cypress]

the wither-dragon

[rich cove]

The Withern (Wyvern)

Wither Skeletons should be renamed to The Withereds

[flat geode]

Huh...

[timid oyster]

I'd work at kava only to have the Mojang cape

[grave ravine]

I like how Dinnerbone's pfp is still upside down after all these years

that takes some dedication

[flat geode]

I think they only give the studio cape nowadays

[flat geode]

PRE-RELEASE!

It's finally here!

ooo, that's fun

World spawn can be set in other dimensions now?

[rich cove]

Speedrunners gonna use this somehow

[flat geode]

I feel like it's against the rules, but could be cool for a new category

I could try to code something that changes the world spawn and then kills you to send you there

Or just send you there...

[dusty thunder]

I just remembered that Minecraft Live is in 8 days

[mint cypress]

[neat topaz]

building a redstone pc rn

here we have my 32 bit duo register block containing 24 duo registers poggers

( i dont have hobbies no)

[onyx crow]

This is a hobby. It being inside Minecraft doesn't make it less of one

[novel mica]

my Giant.Underground.Sphere.Project is nearing completion

[surreal hearth]

ok but why, just for a challenging base design?

[flat geode]

Ah, a missing translate key!

[timid oyster]

why niot ?

[flat geode]

Be warned thy crafters who are heading towards the fabled "Minecraft Live September 2025". There is a leak (Of course there is... fake or not, no clue)

[dusty thunder]

DM me with it please, let's see.

[flat geode]

Well, this time I didn't even watch it. I want to go in blind this time. I'll send a link tho

[novel mica]

i think im gonna turn it into some kind of arena its a great place for just flying around and messing about

also its one the oldest projects in my world i started it like a year ago and worked on it on and off while i made other things

[flat geode]

Pre-3 is here, only two bug fixes. Next one will prob be a release candidate

[neat topaz]

32 bit double dabble to 10 digit decimal 7 segment screen whee

[rich cove]

words

[dusty thunder]

Holy shit, end of an era: https://www.reddit.com/r/mindcrack/comments/1noo1d4/kurt_will_reach_the_far_lands_on_4_october/

[flat geode]

Oh, I thought he was closer than that. Tho he did stop to play golf that one time lol

[dusty thunder]

Tbh I didn't think he'd get there this year. I thought he was still years away.

It's been a long journey. ||Now he needs to do the return trip.||

[flat geode]

There was an AntVenom video that was doing calculations recently

[mint cypress]

yeah him livestreaming significantly sped up the process

[little rampart]

He used to date my sister

[rich cove]

[mint cypress]

[dusty thunder]

Apparently it's true, lol

And to this day it's one of the best fun facts I've ever heard.

Because it just completely blindsides you the first time you hear it

[mint cypress]

dang, small world

[surreal hearth]

What the heck lol

[zinc epoch]

BETRAYERRRRRR

[flat geode]

Release candidates are here

[flat geode]

Minecraft has been teasing Pufferfish

I've also seen them fixing bugs with conduits

[rich cove]

sushi

[dusty thunder]

Nah, the conduit textures broke a couple pre-releaaes ago, so they fixed them. It's nothing to get excited about.

[flat geode]

Yeah, it's kinda loose. Tho bug fixes can sometimes hold clues in retrospect

[dusty thunder]

I do think the pufferfish is indeed a hint, but I'm not sure about the conduits.

[summer scaffold]

excited for mc live tomorrow

[flat geode]

Same! And then I'm going to start a life series with friends, it's going to be so lit

[dusty thunder]

I'm excited too, because it's a day off for me

Just FYI to everyone, it starts at 1 PM EST TOMORROW, so make sure you have time then.

[summer scaffold]

that's noon for me im pretty sure

[flat geode]

<t:1758992400:t>

Timestamps!

[flat geode]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nNNGbV0_VHg

👀

Prob something ||Ridable||

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yJPvEQ8EBJc

This one is also cute

[dusty thunder]

...Huh. Were the aquatic leaks actually real?

[flat geode]

I don't know if Mojang is giving up or they have these teasers planned beforehand

Prob the second, but I shouldn't be surprised that an ocean is quite leaky

[dusty thunder]

Oh. Okay, I just saw something new from a previously reliable leaker.

It's not entirely aquatic-based, is all I'll say. It seems to be going for a different theme altogether.

[flat geode]

Interesting, only an hour and a half left

[dusty thunder]

Nope, 45 minutes

It starts at 1 PM EST, and that's in 45 minutes

[flat geode]

accounting for the Pre-show and other stuff we already knew

[dusty thunder]

Ah, fair

[rich cove]

I was in the audio description version and it just said "Two white people sit on a couch"

Yall ready?

[flat geode]

Yup!

[dusty thunder]

It's starting!

Love these animations

Yup, the aquatic leaks might have been real

Eyyy, Felix! The anime guy!

[flat geode]

Love that guy

[rich cove]

She has a fun job

Hehe

[dusty thunder]

SFX designers are fantastic

I like that statue combination lock, that's a classic puzzle in games

[rich cove]

Ahhhh a happy ghast song!

[dusty thunder]

Oh God a song

I love this

That was actually very nice

Oh it's still going, haha

[rich cove]

That was great

[dusty thunder]

Yeah that was a good song

[rich cove]

Spotify when

[summer scaffold]

oh god it's gonna be stuck in my head forever

[rich cove]

Lol

[dusty thunder]

I really want that song

That's such a good song

Poppy and Denzy would love it too, they love the Minecraft animations

[rich cove]

Minecraft Grandma!

[dusty thunder]

You've heard of Skyrim Grandma, here's Minecraft Grandma!

Dang it Flameon, lol

[rich cove]

XD

[dusty thunder]

Dragonball!

[rich cove]

Oh look it's Rayquaza

[summer scaffold]

i wish i had a red arrow emoji

[dusty thunder]

Here we go!

[summer scaffold]

what if it's a kraken

[dusty thunder]

Yup, I know this

[rich cove]

Sea snail!

[dusty thunder]

Nautilus!

[rich cove]

Yesss

[dusty thunder]

The leaks were real!

[summer scaffold]

aw cute

[rich cove]

Heck yeah!!

[dusty thunder]

Underwater mount!

What the hell is a submarine? :P

Oooooh nice! So no drowning while using a nautilus

[rich cove]

Relay race time! Horse, Nautilus, and ghast!

[summer scaffold]

natural submarine

[rich cove]

Someone get on that

What!?

Zombie!!??

[dusty thunder]

Armor!

[summer scaffold]

spooky

[rich cove]

Drowned Jockey!!

[dusty thunder]

Close enough, welcome back Mob A/Barnacle.

[rich cove]

Aaaaaaaa

Spears!

[summer scaffold]

oh cool

[dusty thunder]

Spear!

[summer scaffold]

i think you're a bit ahead of me Flameon

[dusty thunder]

Mounted combat!

We can do jousting!

HOLY SHIT WE CAN JOUST!

[rich cove]

Speed up

Oh that elytra one is sick

Dive bomb spear

[dusty thunder]

This is AWESOME

[rich cove]

Oh hell yeah!

[dusty thunder]

ZOMBIE HORSE RETURNS!

[rich cove]

Naturally spawning zombie horse

[dusty thunder]

Oh so it's coming this year too!

"A few of the features", so more are coming?

That was a great show! The new drop looks awesome!

[flat geode]

Name right away is crazy

[dusty thunder]

It's coming later this year, so it's already almost finished

It just needs testing, and then likely by December or early January it's released.

I love the spear jousting

It's gonna take OFF for the minigame sphere

And it's gonna make horse riding and mounted combat a lot more fun.

Ah good, you can find the nautilus in any ocean biome

Wow...people really aren't liking this drop, it seems. :/

They lack imagination

I've wanted a better way to build underwater for a long time, and the spear is awesome and may actually make me play with horses again

[grave ravine]

I've wanted a better way to build underwater for a long time
what do you mean I'm not supposed to place 500 doors underwater?

[dusty thunder]

Not technically no, and I honestly wish they'd patch that out. It looks ugly, is inconsistent with the other blocks underwater, and is no longer needed now that we have the nautilus breath effect.

The door trick was clever, and they acknowledged it as such, but it was never intended behavior past 1.13. It was only kept in the game because of its niche use, and now that the nautilus fulfills the same purpose, there's no point in keeping it.

YES! THEY RELEASED IT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJqUX9NfHQs

[harsh blaze]

1.21.10 time

lmfao

[dusty thunder]

Yup

I wonder if that's where they'll stop it, and then move on to the next major update?

[harsh blaze]

huge fan of the zombified nautilus though

[dusty thunder]

Major update, six game drops, then major update, then six game drops, etc.

[mint cypress]

no end update

[rich cove]

Happy Ghast, Happy Ghast,
Do do do do dooo

[novel mica]

hope it will be announced next time

[novel mica]

we're gonna reach 1.21.11 arent we

[minor moss]

https://youtu.be/UUAAjMNP88g

[grave ravine]

lol, so topical for Steve and Sonic being SSBU's top characters

[rich cove]

When they're jousting in the boats on ice, the one that dies dropped spawn eggs and barrier blocks

[dusty thunder]

It's actually quite in-depth, lots of places to give feedback on.

[high elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbmHnh_AQgQ

KurtJMac is scheduled to reach the Farlands in his Minecraft gameplay series "Farlands or Bust" on October 4th. He travelled the entire distance from spawn to farlands by foot and collected a lot of money for charity the entire time, in total 480'000$ of donations.

[mint cypress]

the end of an era

[flat geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuJbSjo7NA

[rich cove]

Ha! It hit the copper chest like "Put something in, coward!"

[flat geode]

ooooo, cape

[flat geode]

1.21.10 is upon us!

[dusty thunder]

Hotfix update

[flat geode]

Yup

I tried to forward the release candidate, but it gave me a time out for some reason

[shut bridge]

because of the discord invite link in it
Automod doesn't like those

[flat geode]

Ah, that makes sense

[rich cove]

Imagine a baby zombie with a spear

[dusty thunder]

Oh dear God

[shut bridge]

you stop that

closest you can do right now is a baby zombie with a trident

/summon zombie ~ ~1 ~ {IsBaby:1,equipment:{mainhand:{count:1,id:trident},head:{count:1,id:netherite_helmet,components:{enchantments:{protection:4}}},chest:{count:1,id:netherite_chestplate,components:{enchantments:{protection:4}}},legs:{count:1,id:netherite_leggings,components:{enchantments:{protection:4}}},feet:{count:1,id:netherite_boots,components:{enchantments:{protection:4}}}}}

[flat geode]

Something like this?

/summon zombie_horse ~ ~ ~ {Tame:1b,Passengers:[IsBaby:1,{id:"minecraft:zombie",equipment:{head:{id:"minecraft:leather_helmet",count:1},mainhand:{id:"minecraft:iron_shovel",count:1,components:{"minecraft:item_name":{"text":"\"Spear\""}}}},drop_chances:{mainhand:100.000}}],equipment:{saddle:{id:"minecraft:saddle",count:1}},drop_chances:{saddle:100.000}}

The totally real spear

[mint cypress]

it needs to be riding a scootaloo

[rich cove]

[novel mica]

remember whats happening today
https://www.twitch.tv/kurtjmac

he reaches the farlands

[mint cypress]

[novel mica]

waiting for his stream to start

he's live

[harsh blaze]

watching him right now
I wonder if he’s within 10,000 blocks or so

[novel mica]

he said its gonna take him 3-4 hours so most likely yes

[harsh blaze]

thank god

[summer scaffold]

he made it !!!!

[high elm]

kurtjmac has done it

[mint cypress]

[novel mica]

i saw it

[high elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039647926852517958/1424198915242328196/Screenshot_2025-10-05_at_02.57.57.png?ex=68e31419&is=68e1c299&hm=65700323f14d9ae038fb1fedb0c6c7d9500a4ff772467e78b6686f30e5a65be4&

[grave ravine]

But then, kurtjmac got this run.

[mint cypress]

he did it...

[novel mica]

i missed it by like a minute but i still got part of his reaction

[novel mica]

yeah

[novel mica]

btw i think only a single digit amount of people have made it to the corner farlands the first person to do it was figonometry

[high elm]

30 journeys are recorded according to wikipedia, with 10 people having made it

to the general farlands that is

[novel mica]

is there a list? of people who've done it

[high elm]

no clue

[novel mica]

https://premiumminecraft.com/people-who-reached-the-far-lands-rewritten-updated-oct-2023/

i dug through wikipedia's citations to find this

[novel mica]

also its insane how little he drifted from the zero line

[high elm]

yup 300 blocks only

[novel mica]

also according to that list only 2 people have made it to the corner farlands Figonometry and Beamof4

[summer scaffold]

Twitch makes my phone so hot omg

[novel mica]

also the corner farlands can easily crash your game very easily due to lighting updates and falling gravel

[grave ravine]

what's the timer in the top-right corner? HH:MM:SS?

[novel mica]

subathon timer

[summer scaffold]

what's that mean

[novel mica]

basically he's gonna stream for that many until it stops but i doubt all in one go

[summer scaffold]

ah

[novel mica]

i played beta 1.7.3 for years i know a lot about that version

have you ever played beta 1.7

[summer scaffold]

for as much nostalgia i have for beta, i haven't actually played too much

weird seeing on top of the far lands

[novel mica]

you can theoretically walk out to 32 million before blocks lose their collisions and it becomes impossible

this due to that version of the java programming language not being able to understand numbers greater than 32 million

[summer scaffold]

oh interesting

[dusty thunder]

The smile on that man's face as he sees his destination.

That is a man who can now pass on tot he next life fulfilled and happy.

[summer scaffold]

https://youtu.be/HvF31-2bVNE?si=5qn0lGIM-PIVlm5R

[novel mica]

also early redstone was weird sticky pistons didnt originally spit out their blocks when given a 1 tick pulse that feature was added in beta 1.7.3 i find this kinda sad because this was also the version that patched the piston duplication bug

[dusty thunder]

Also, now Kurt can finally play on the modern versions again, lol

[mint cypress]

End farlands when

[civic abyss]

En aften Ved Svanefossen starts playing

[elfin heart]

1.21.x will go down in history as the update(s) of ages…

I’m still waiting for Mojang to patch a bug introduced in 1.21.2 smh

[dusty thunder]

Uh, guys? I just watched the credits to Kurtjmac's final Flob-a-Thon...he put a "to be continued" at the end.

I think this man is gonna attempt the very first survival Farther Lands expedition.

1 billion blocks.

Or at least as far as he can get without it becoming impossible.

Or he might attempt to walk all the way back to his original home.

[mint cypress]

i want the option of him going as far as he can before the game offs itself

[dusty thunder]

Theoretically the game can render things at least somewhat reasonably about 1 billion blocks away from spawn. At this point though, the terrain breaks down yet again as the selector noise for rendering breaks, causing the terrain to be stretched even further. This is known as the Farther Lands.

To this day, nobody has ever attempted a genuine survival expedition that far. It is over 80 times further away from the Far Lands than the Far Lands were from world spawn. It'd be almost impossible.

Almost.

Also, interestingly enough...it is possible that the Far Lands still exist even in the current game, but are simply too far away to be reached because they are outside the hard world border that the game has, and as far as I know, it isn't possible to pass that border.

[high elm]

or he goes back to spawn and continues the lets play that started this like normal

[dusty thunder]

Or maybe he continues the let's play at the Farlands?

[high elm]

World Border or Bust

[flat geode]

I think the blocks lose their collision some point before they stop rendering

[novel mica]

yeah 32 million is where that happens

i remember antvenom explained that in one of his videos

the next milestone after the farlands is 16,777,216 which is where the "jittering" you get in beta 1.7 and earlier gets even worse

[onyx crow]

Disco Elysium spoilers (I promise it's relevant)

On a tangent, it's totally possible to program a game in such a way that floating point jitter and rendering issues don't happen. But worldgen collapse? Not sure, but probably maybe

[high elm]

newer versions fix the worldgen collapse entirely

the trick is to never materialize large numbers

[onyx crow]

Right

I would also consider fixed-point for world coordinates. Something like 16 bits for position within a block, the remaining 48 bits for the block position

It would become humanly infeasible to get to the end of the world on foot, lol

[high elm]

IIRC the problem is solved with a universe position + local offset, not quite the same solution

you store a position of the player in the universe and then an offset of the player inside that

for example, you first point to the chunk the player is in

and then you point to the block within the chunk the player is at

that means that as long as a float identifies a chunk uniquely, so the float jitter is smaller than 16 blocks, the player can be placed in the world with 0 jitter

[onyx crow]

That's another way, certainly

[high elm]

if you use integers for the universe position, you don't get any jitter ever for the size of the world

[onyx crow]

Exactly

[high elm]

though that works less well with rendering because rendering is all floats

so keeping player position a float is preferable

and most of your rendering issues would be related to the GPU having to process large floats with loss of precision in render space

which you eliminate by translating all coordinates to be relative to the player before you send them to the GPU

[onyx crow]

I would do it by thinking about how, for instance, NES games did bigger worlds. A fixed size tilemap into which the player sees a small window, and then you seamlessly update the tiles just outside of view as you scroll

But 3D

[high elm]

that's mostly a render side issue, but the NES didn't really have worlds big enough where precision would be a problem

you could present a player position as a integer of pixels since start of level and you'd run out of RAM before you could represent that much world space

and the few games that did try to go above IIRC used a few tricks to split worldspace anyway

but the common modern method to handle large world spaces is to ensure the render space contains only small number, that solves all your problems instantly

[onyx crow]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Keep the render space a fixed size around 0,0,0, then it only matters how you source the blocks to put into that buffer

[high elm]

ye it's not super complicated, it's technically just a slightly different transformation matrix to go from player space to render space

and the world space to player space transform is CPU side anyway

[grave ravine]

fixed-point coordinates are notoriously difficult to work with, especially in larger teams as they require a lot of due diligence

https://godotengine.org/article/emulating-double-precision-gpu-render-large-worlds/ 🙂

[novel mica]

something went very wrong when this dark oak tree generated

its literally on the minimum number of blocks need for it to spawn

[grave ravine]

the tree said "if it fits i sits"

[rich cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftMemes/comments/1nwxplu/avengers_assemble/

[flat geode]

They're releasing another snapshot this week!

[novel mica]

version number record officially tied thats the most exciting thing to happen this time

[flat geode]

I honestly don't count 1.7.10. Versioning was different back then and three minor versions were actually pre-releases

I'll accept a 1.21.11, just to put the case to rest.

Another interesting note: Who at Mojang hates years that end in 5? They get no major updates in them

[novel mica]

thats just a coincedence

[flat geode]

I know, I just find it funny

[dusty thunder]

Funnily enough, all of the content they've put into these game drops could've been one single major "Kitchen Sink" update.

[flat geode]

Are they ok?

[mint cypress]

furnace update is real!!

[rich cove]

PYLONS!

[flat geode]

Pylons?

[dusty thunder]

I have no idea

[summer scaffold]

it's an older meme https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-must-construct-additional-pylons

[flat geode]

mmmm, ok

[dusty thunder]

One of the best memes

[grave ravine]

You must construct additional ponies.

[flat geode]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-25w41a

Minecraft Live stuff is here

Oh, that's interesting...

There's plenty of neat additions

[high elm]

Updated the "How did we get here?" advancement to include the Breath of the Nautilus effect

this will kill speedrunners

[onyx crow]

But what if... Lunge + Mending?

They have effectively added a dash to player movement

[flat geode]

It does around 30 damage on a diamond spear

[flat geode]

A Minecraft Movie 2 is coming July 2027

[summer scaffold]

[flat geode]

That was quick

[little rampart]

We've had one yes, but what about second chicken jockey?

[rich cove]

Chicken riding a baby zombie

[flat geode]

3 Baby Zombies in a chicken suit

[rich cove]

baby villager on a zombie chicken

[flat geode]

zombie riding zombie riding chicken

[rich cove]

Purple reflection on the top one. End conformed

[mint cypress]

END UPDATE IS REAL

[dusty thunder]

Purple reflection is on both, actually

But yeah, this tells me "Enderman"

[mint cypress]

we only got 1 enderman in the 1st and it went out with a disappointment

[grave ravine]

interesting to see a HD rendition of the crafting table pattern

it's like 1000x more detailed than what you see in-game

[flat geode]

They made it mutually exclusive

[dusty thunder]

Oof

[mint cypress]

[flat geode]

The patch notes don't say, but Nautilus do drop shells at a rate of 5%

[dusty thunder]

Ooooof, the lunge enchantment on spears is kinda crap. 128 durability damage at level 3 to not really lunge that far? Not worth it if you can't have mending with it.

They need to tone that down or just redo it entirely

Also, it seems that zombies who spawn with spears but not horses can't actually do damage because they are moving too slowly.

You have to deliberately run into them in order to be damaged.

So yeah, some things need to be tweaked, it seems

And the zombie nautilus is waaaaaaaaaay too rare

Xisuma couldn't find a single one spawning naturally, even using the glowing effect, while exploring a massive ocean

And I also don't like how the zombie nautilus becomes neutral after you kill its rider. It should remain as an enemy.

Like, it's literally just a reskin of the regular mob at that point, and that's some HUGE wasted potential

It should be hostile 100% of the time and not be able to be ridden by the player

[mint cypress]

maybe hostile but can be tameable

Lunge being mutally exclusive with Mending is rly dumb
at least Mending + Infinity i can see why it can be too much

[flat geode]

Is it not curable?

[mint cypress]

not that I know of

but I'd imagine you want to keep the zombie skin anyway

[dusty thunder]

No, it shouldn't be tamable. The tamable ones should be left to the regulars and the zombie ones should spawn a lot more commonly and as enemies.

Otherwise they're just reskins like the glow squid

[mint cypress]

fair enough

[vocal eagle]

honestly durability in minecraft is kinda dumb. I miss the days where tools were infinite and the only thing that material mattered for was mining speed and mining capability (like you need diamond to mine obsidian)

[summer scaffold]

holy cow that's really old days

[harsh blaze]

Nautilus Jockey…

[dusty thunder]

The happy ghast is definitely gonna be in the second film

It's their next big thing

[harsh blaze]

Definitely
I’m hoping we see some form of end related thing

[mint cypress]

they could very well use happy ghasts to explore the end

[summer scaffold]

Ender Dragon or Wither could be really cool

obviously Alex will be in it too

[mint cypress]

another herobrine reference

[harsh blaze]

Herobrine should make a cameo

it makes zero sense but I think it would be funny

[summer scaffold]

Herobrine would be super cool to see as a villain or something but idk if there might be rights problems with that because Mojang didn't create Herobrine

[harsh blaze]

That’s true

who would we even ask about the IP for herobrine

[summer scaffold]

yeah that's why it's tricky, iirc the original creepypasta was by an anon on 4chan

[elfin heart]

hey don’t forget the speedrunners signed up for this

they can’t rein king of Latest Release if they’re not willing to adapt the strats

[elfin heart]

it is necessary for the way the resources are/were balanced. What good would a stone shovel be once you make an iron shovel?

it works in Terraria which has a sprawling progression system and also randomised attributes for every tool/weapon

in multiplayer, if nothing broke then everyone would get themselves the best weapon and there’d be no economy. At the time it was added, durability was a good choice. I would say Mending ruined the whole system and should not be achieved how it is

[elfin heart]

whole movie takes place inside an amethyst geode (they’re trapped and have to mine out)

[harsh blaze]

A tool breaking after usage? What a concept

personally I think the way it’s implemented is fine, tools should depreciate and you should have to replace them

Mending should be rarer too

[elfin heart]

not just rarer imo

it should be something that isn’t an enchantment (so it can’t be obtained from trading, fishing etc) and not randomly found like in structure loot either

it’s a complex minefield to step through though, I don’t blame mojang for not touching it

all the people that rely on mending for X Y and Z would have to be catalogued into different groups so that a solution can be satisfying across all of them

[flat geode]

But, I love my 11 mending books from fishing!

[little rampart]

Just let me repair the tool indefinitely

[vocal eagle]

first: don't ping me. Second, no, it's not necessary, it's just a choice they made. They could have not had durability, or they could have had durability with infinite repair, or they could have made other differences in materials besides speed and durability (like, maybe gold tools give some chance of certain types of drops in certain circumstances.) What they chose is a system that's fiddly and annoying to manage, and that a lot of people choose to manage by capturing a village and getting a mending trader, and that they keep changing the rules on. It wasn't a good system to begin with.

[fathom ember]

I agree. The minecraft durability system only rewards brute forcing the economy, otherwise a mending book is almost entirely based on luck.

I always prefer iron since it's a lot easier to find, cheaper to repair, and the durability is more reliable per iron expensed. In contrast, I never use any diamond stuff other than a pickaxe; since it's expensive, much more devastating to lose, and while it definitely lasts longer than iron; I only ever find myself using it on obsidian, or farming more diamonds, which in this case I can still just use the iron pick

I don't think it was a problem back in ye olden minecraft times, back when the caves were smaller and there was less to do; but with modern minecraft, there is a lot more focus on managing your resources since there is just so much more stuff to mine. Mind you, most of said newer stuff can be mined with iron; while the use for diamond is to unlock the super endgame stuff that's built to replace it

Needless to say, the economy used to be based around diamond being the end goal so you can fight the ender dragon. The economy has since grown past that, and is more uneven than it used to be.

[flat geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qnipIE3BA8

Hold on, coding a voodoo doll now

A wonderful idea with no consequences

[grave ravine]

voodoo dolls are a thing in Doom too 😛

they're used to "script" things in maps without the game having an actual scripting language

[flat geode]

Interesting thing about the spear is that the attack damage is separate unlike other weapons

Which means you can put it into the off hand and keep the damage on other items and weapons

[grave ravine]

Celestia would be proud.

[grave ravine]

praise the sun!!

[mint cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZyPyAwQ5E

[surreal hearth]

Wow that video was really cool. That guy is brilliant

Way more in depth than I thought it was going to be

[merry nest]

my latest house

[novel mica]

wacky

[rich cove]

It's Biffle's house omagosh

(No one here is gonna get that...)

[novel mica]

looks like stupid lighting bugs have returned

[flat geode]

Interesting... There's a new texture atlas for celestials in the new snapshot and it contains the sun and moon, but also the end flashes

[dusty thunder]

Anything new in it?

[flat geode]

No, nothing new. Just that it was categorized as such in a new atlas

Textures are the same, the atlas is what's new

[grizzled needle]

Looks like I am finally going to have to do something about my no sun / hd sun and moon mini texture packs

[flat geode]

I don't think a texture atlas should change anything or be too hard to change.
(I didn't spend the past 2 hours trying to change a atlas json file to add armor trims, no you're crazy)

[flat geode]

The copper cape elytra looks soo cool

[little rampart]

Oh that's neat!

[surreal hearth]

Yeah that’s actually pretty good

Usually I don’t care about the capes but I might have to cop that one

I just use the vanilla cape since it matches my skin

[flat geode]

It's another watch quest one for Twitch or TikTok on Java

On Bedrock you have to... place a copper golem statue

[novel mica]

i think the servers are absolutely overloaded right now cause i've redeemed my code but i cant equip the cape

[mint cypress]

[mint cypress]

-# needs more jpeg

[flat geode]

Grabbed it from one of the streams lol

[mint cypress]

[flat geode]

This is really cool tho, I think you can make water evaporate on a per biome basis among other things

[novel mica]

finally that stupid descion was reverted

[onyx crow]

finally
Geez, it was only introduced last week

[high elm]

next they should finally uncap enchantments

[novel mica]

i actually tested one time i believe its literally impossible to get every sword enchantment on one sword without hitting the limit

[high elm]

aye

it’s a stupid limit

especially because order of enchanting matters and it means you gotta reserve one slot for mending or suffer of having to replace your uber tools once in a while for no good reason

because repairs scale XP cost

it’s a stupid limit

[harsh blaze]

I’m all for uncapping the XP limit

it’s a stupid restriction anyway

If I have 100 levels I should be allowed to use them all

[mint cypress]

this, the cap is just way too much trouble and headache than its worth

[dusty thunder]

It's an outdated mechanic from way back when anvils were new, iirc

[surreal hearth]

they need to buff anvils

i shouldn't be punished for being a high xp level and trying to combine tools

especially in the modded scene when there is like 5 extra enchants per item type

[flat geode]

I got a mending book from fishing while watching Grian's finale

I'm up to 13 on my SMP now...

[dusty thunder]

That was his book!

[mint cypress]

[glad gale]

Lol nice

[shut bridge]

oh my hoofness
are we back in fuckin 2012
Lewis and Simon playing YogLabs MC together?!
https://youtu.be/uv06bzr7Y3U

[dusty thunder]

Hoooooooly shit

First Mindcrack resurrects itself, and now Yoglabs?

[rich cove]

Can't wait for Diggy Diggy Hole 2: Electric Diggaloo

[shut bridge]

I had to pinch myself to make sure i wasn't hallucinating when I saw a recent upload titled YogLabs

[flat geode]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5kNIa6-5eHI

Cute animated short

[rich cove]

fren

[dusty thunder]

[rich cove]

Which are you choosing? Swear or Spord?

[flat geode]

Gimme your finest Spord please!

[mint cypress]

Swear for me

[vocal eagle]

where's the diamond spishing rood?

[flat geode]

Oh, give me one of those^^^!

[rich cove]

DAMN

there ya go

[mint cypress]

[novel mica]

just found a two dungeons stacked on top of each other

[dusty thunder]

Easy grinder

[glad gale]

Which mobs from each?

[novel mica]

spiders from top one and zombies from bottom one

also i found this completely on accident while checking for underground chunk border issues
like this

[flat geode]

It's literally a dash now. This is amazing

Not only is this cool for just spears, but they also added this ability for custom data driven enchantments. This is so amazing

[flat geode]

I just found out Wisp played my minigame map! It was six months ago...

[surreal hearth]

Niceeee I felt like it didn’t make sense for lunge to consume durability, glad they made that change

[rich cove]

Combine this with a saturation mod and you got somethin

[rich cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixSC/comments/1odctwk/_/

pat

[flat geode]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/the-road-to-vibrant-visuals-on-java

Small VV update

They are also moving things from the Vanguard server to the Feedback server. But still glad they are working with modders, shader and resource pack creators.

[grizzled needle]

So the OG rendering engine runs on the main game thread. That explains a lot.

This new threaded rendering engine is what MC should have had from the start. Glad they're finally making it.

[grave ravine]

separating the render thread in an existing engine is surprisingly nontrivial, and it's not very high-priority considering Minecraft is easy to run nowadays

so I'm not surprised it took this long to happen

[dusty thunder]

Would moving it from the main thread and onto a separate thread help with performance?

[grave ravine]

yes, definitely

[dusty thunder]

Nice!

[grave ravine]

to keep your expectations in check, it probably won't bring performance to Sodium + Iris levels in vanilla

but it will surely help a little

[dusty thunder]

Oh I know, but every little bit helps. At the very least, it might make a few mods obsolete

[grizzled needle]

What it will do is make Sodium's work easier, because now there's less "fix it" decoupling Sodium would have to do if native MC already decouples the rendering from main.

[rich cove]

https://derpibooru.org/images/3606515

[dusty thunder]

PopularMMOs, a well-known and beloved Minecraft YouTuber, has relapsed in his alcohol addiction. He's apparently been fighting it for years.

I don't watch his content, but it's a very brave thing for him to admit this, and I hope he gets the help he needs and is able to bounce back and continue the fight.

And this goes for everyone else who is fighting any addiction: you are strong, you are loved, and you are seen. If a relapse happens, get back up and try again. Progress isn't a flat plain, it's a mountain you have to climb.

[novel mica]

how common is dungeons intersecting mineshafts?

also its a skeleton spawner so WOOOO

[rich cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/619597724865527829/1431846194631409775/image.png?ex=68fee62f&is=68fd94af&hm=ec75094e0dbf7e1bdd8c7b611a0bfa80eb65c36317f40240b8d10526a952f155&

ENSORCELLING TABLE

[summer scaffold]

they should put ice cream in minecraft

[flat geode]

They should put donuts into Minecraft

[grave ravine]

they should put kirins in Minecraft

[rich cove]

They should add Kelpies to Minecraft

[grizzled needle]

Kirins? I got you covered, at least in the powers dept. (check my profile, also you'll need a Kirin CPM or Figura model to complete the look)

As for Kelpies... writes notes

I been wanting to add Kelpies with water powers...

[elfin heart]

if new foods are added to the game I hope they are useful for reasons other than eating such as decor or trading

the current hunger system doesn’t need reworking by complicating things but adding new foods without anything tied to them would be wasted potential imo

[rich cove]

Food tolerances. Eating the same food over and over returns diminishing results

Thus facilitating a need for diverse food usage

[fleet marlin]

New foods offer new ways to get food in the early to mid game, plus roleplay purposes

A food doesn't need a special effect to be worth existing IMO

[glad gale]

I wish the recent update cycle wasn't so rough on the modding community......
I would love to use figura, again

[round quartz]

I change my mind, I love this new yoglabs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Axzow0utfQ

spoilers: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgPzs2APw8&list=RDWCgPzs2APw8||

[flat geode]

We have new update content!

Stuff not in the Minecraft Live!

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-25w44a

Lunge is also reworked once again. It does damage now, but only 1 while reducing the hunger costs

FINALLY!

[glad gale]

The new skelly is going to become a way to cure zombie villagers without ever brewing potions.
Not sure if Mojang realizes what they've done

[flat geode]

They also added chunks fading in

and for whatever reason removed Halloween bat spawning

[rich cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL1oYVfNMNY

[mint cypress]

[novel mica]

took me 166 days but i have finally finished another full shelf of entries in my library

also yes i know there is 150 slots thats because 16 days are missing cause my computer was broken and i went on holiday

[elfin heart]

I don’t want this at all lmao, which is why I said the current hunger system doesn’t need reworking

it would get very annoying and make inventory problems worse

[rich cove]

Add it to a mod like RLCraft (Is that still relevant?)

[elfin heart]

Farmer’s Delight is the closest to what I would like to see from food additions

[harsh blaze]

this just makes the game more annoying to play

there’s also a mod that already does this as well

[dusty thunder]

I don't think any of those ideas were serious ones

[flat geode]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/removing-obfuscation-in-java-edition

They are doing it the first snapshot after Mounts of Mayhem release

This is huge!

This will make things a lot easier for modders

[rich cove]

Wha dat

[flat geode]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation_(software)

Obfuscation makes it harder to read the code and they are removing it

[elfin heart]

this is hype!!!

[grave ravine]

ideally, they'd release the full source code but I guess it contains too many expletives in comments 🙂

that said, obfuscating is also about reducing JAR size and improving performance a little, since it makes identifiers shorter

I'm not sure how much performance is impacted in modern Java versions, but JAR size will definitely go down by a non-negligible amount

they probably thought it's not a big issue for Minecraft's install size to grow by 10-20%, since it's so small by modern standards

[onyx crow]

Cool of them to do, for sure. In practice, it only removes a step in the modding process. It's not like modders were restricted from making major changes to the game lol

[grave ravine]

it's interesting that 2019 is mentioned as a first point for deobfuscation mappings

I'm pretty sure Notch gave mappings directly to modders early on

modders didn't really have to go through a manual deobfuscation process, like you'd have to do with N64 decompilation

[vocal eagle]

My wife was doing her own deobfuscation when mc was in beta

[grave ravine]

maybe I remember it wrong though, but this was the era where a lot of things happened behind the scenes

but I also remember Notch was not very fond of client mods... (although server mods were OK to him)

[vocal eagle]

I think post release is when the mapping was given to modders

[summer scaffold]

wym ?

[grave ravine]

it's a bit of a meme for big codebases to contain lots of swear words

[summer scaffold]

oh lol

[novel mica]

well looks like i cant play the game

[dusty thunder]

Why not?

[novel mica]

xbox servers were down

but i can play now

[flat geode]

Oh yeah, they were having some issues

[rich cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOttfOJr2o

[summer scaffold]

holy shit

[novel mica]

looks a little like beta terrain to me

i know it isnt but the abscence of rivers made me think beta terrain

[slate parrot]

Holy peak mentioned

[novel mica]

also minecraft@home is the GOAT at seed finding

[novel mica]

better with or without the stripe?

[mint cypress]

with

[slate parrot]

I like it with the stripe. It adds jus a bit more visual interest

[novel mica]

ok

thanks guys

[whole python]

Stripe definitely adds contrast and interest, but plain stone kinda looks a bit out of place IMO?
Maybe swap it for Chiseled Stone Bricks to compliment the smooth and cobblestone, but not look too much the same?

[novel mica]

also this is gonna be a museum of a bunch old minecraft things like the old block duping glitch from a long time ago

and the original BUD switch

gonna require me to make some map art for the things like the 6 sided piston

[rich cove]

In before Mojang adds a zombie flying mount

[flat geode]

Ooo, that's an interesting one. Though they'd need to make a new system because mounts are controlled by the rider. I don't know how well the AI of a non-flying mob would handle riding a flying one

[glad gale]

The phantom is almost that

Hatchlings were joking about mojang letting some nether mob ride a nether ghast

[dusty thunder]

...Oh my God, them changing how Phantoms spawn, removing the insomnia gimmick entirely, and adding a new neutral/friendly Phantom mob that can be ridden would immediately change people's minds about the Phantom so much.

[novel mica]

probably one of the luckiest things thats ever happened to me a ghast shot a fireball and accidentally revealed ancient debris

i wonder what the odds of this happening are

[flat geode]

Depends on the Y value I think

[rich cove]

old nether texture spotted

[novel mica]

Yes i know

[novel mica]

I prefer the old netherrack texture fight me

[rich cove]

[rich cove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixSC/comments/1okg07t/the_isolated_a_tundra_version_of_the_zombie/

[zinc epoch]

Some screenshots

Spooky guy and the cutest fucking dog EVER

[neat topaz]

https://realms.gg/Y4JRnErq4nND99U Pone bedrock realm 9 free spaces

[flat geode]

So I caught 3 mending books from fishing today...

No clue how

[dusty thunder]

Grian wants to know your location

[flat geode]

He can join the server, he's whitelisted

[daring narwhal]

Is Minecraft Bedrock Editions new update causing your pc to lag horrendously?

and taking up most of your memory?

[mint cypress]

hmm not Bedrock, but when I booted up Java Edition recently, it made my PC fans roar

[novel mica]

you just have a potato PC then

also you can play on bedrock on java servers using software called geyserMC

[mint cypress]

[flat geode]

Our final set of features for Mounts of Mayhem
Oh... Well, alright then...

I also have control over time in data packs now, so that's cool too

[zinc epoch]

They jump scared me TWICE

I was trying to get a pretty video of my new shaders

[mint cypress]

what mod is that

[rich cove]

Those specific shaders remind me of a Minecraft series called Headhunters

[zinc epoch]

Dwellers

That balloon jumpscared me earlier bc i was walking towards my house, forgot something then boom in my face

[grave ravine]

seeing Vibrant Visuals run (or rather... walk) on mobile is wild

[zinc epoch]

I actually fixed it so its not laggy anymore

It runs much smoother now

[round quartz]

read that as Brian

you were supposed to be the hero, Brian!

[fleet marlin]

Base I built in that Life Steel server bedrock has now

[summer scaffold]

do any of you use prism launcher for Java edition ? how do you keep worlds from a previous version to a new version ?

[glad gale]

Lately I've been using modrinth to create profiles, and copying the save from the vanilla client over to the save folder for the modrinth profile

[elfin heart]

you can copy the instance or move world files over manually in the filesystem. Each instance has its own folder of worlds

[grizzled needle]

Yes, and that's true for all the launchers

[fleet marlin]

I tried building a tiny house as a block pallet

[summer scaffold]

the new shelves are really cool

[fleet marlin]

They are

[elfin heart]

I’m so sad I can’t use them yet!! waiting for the server I play on to update, we only just changed it from 1.21.1 -> 1.21.8

guess I just need to start practicing in singleplayer

[rich cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeLI5c6VG5A

[elfin heart]

lol at the word “first” when the tech is ancient

very cool tho

[novel mica]

what version was that added in?

[flat geode]

Latest snapshot

[novel mica]

good

[flat geode]

Interesting. but why only block models :( I want Item models too!

[novel mica]

clearly a reference to one does not simply walk into mordor

[flat geode]

Other than that, just some polish and reordering on spawn eggs in the creative inventory

[novel mica]

also zombie pigmen can spawn with golden spears

now

[flat geode]

Ah cool

[novel mica]

which i think makes them one of only a few mobs that can use multiple different weapons

[flat geode]

I wonder why they unlocked block model rotations...

[flat geode]

Caught some fish today. Minus the cooked salmon

[dusty thunder]

Found Grian's alt account

[novel mica]

Done!

almost

[elfin heart]

the smooth stone on top of the pillars providing a flat balcony is so simple yet so effective

[sleek bane]

Hmmmm maybe I'll play some MC today

Its been a long time

[summer scaffold]

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxD223O4rOckF9UmcmpIFGZjngKYzoYC6-?si=Y2LvEC4yYJp6JrfI

[dusty thunder]

Hilariously, 1.10, 1.11, and 1.12 were basically the proto "game drop" updates. All three were super small.

Especially 1.10

[flat geode]

I think they were all pretty good updates

[summer scaffold]

Woodland Mansions were a huge addition to 14 yo me

[dusty thunder]

1.11 and 1.12 were fantastic for their size and scale, imo (1.11 added shulker boxes and observers, both of which revolutionized the game and are STILL extremely good features).

1.10 was.....................an update. Barely any theme, barely any features, and little to no direction. But I don't blame Mojang for it, it was possibly their lowest point as a company, having just lost a bunch of developers and bug testers, and the fanbase was losing a ton of steam after 1.9's polarizing combat changes. Mojang was getting very desperate.

1.13 though, that is when things took a massive turn for the better and where Mojang got their shit together at last. From that point on it was banger update after banger update, a second golden age for the game and company.

[flat geode]

I want the original 1.13 "Technically Updated"

[dusty thunder]

You still got it, it got integrated into 1.13

[summer scaffold]

i dont even remember what 1.11-13 were

was one of those Update Aquatic ?

[dusty thunder]

1.13 is the reason why we even are able to have new blocks at all, due to The Flattening

Yeah, Update Aquatic was 1.13

[flat geode]

1.12 filling the remaining block ids

[summer scaffold]

the Flattening ?

[flat geode]

The Flattening...

They changed from numbered IDs to named IDs

[dusty thunder]

Basically some massive technical upgrade to the backend of the game, allowing for millions of blocks to be added rather than a hard limit like it was before.

So 1.13 is the reason that every other update since even exists.

[flat geode]

Who's idea was giving it a limit lol

[dusty thunder]

Notch

Always blame Notch for the shitty programming and shitty code

Because it was his fault

They are still pulling out his spaghettified nonsense to this day

The problem is, it's load-bearing spaghetti.

[flat geode]

I'd prefer a load-bearing coconut

[elfin heart]

and 1.12 and 1.11 were still crazy compared to 1.10

we didn’t have elytra firework boosting until 1.11.2, you just had to glide or shoot yourself with a punch arrow

[elfin heart]

I feel like it’s a bit silly to act like Notch should’ve written the code as if it was going to be what it is today. The growing pains are to be expected

[flat geode]

Version numbering is going to change soon. It supposed will unify Bedrock and Java numbering systems, but won't make drops 1.22. I'm interested to see what it will be.

[onyx crow]

Taking a stab in the dark. I bet they'll just drop the 1. in front. So the next set of releases will be 22.x, where x signifies the game drop, and the number on the left is for the engine/platform as a whole.

That's just my speculation

[flat geode]

Oh, dropping the 1. is a pretty cool idea. Tho, I wonder how it's going to work with Bedrock's frequent updates and beta/previews using the version number as well.

[fleet marlin]

I wanted one of those pretty, wide, shade providing cherry blossom trees for my garden

Yknow, like when they have 3 branches

Fuck is this truffala tree lookin ass

What am I supposed to do with this? Make a pink thneed?

[summer scaffold]

reminds me of the cotton candy trees in Adventure Time

[fleet marlin]

Love VV

[sterile willow]

In case it wasn't said yet, this does include item models. Blocks and items both use block models.

[flat geode]

Oh, awesome

I'm going to have some fun

[flat geode]

Oh that's why no snapshot...

[harsh blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=512qd4awwgs

hey so I fucking hate this

[flat geode]

What?

What did they do?

[harsh blaze]

no more true "updates"

only drops from here on out

there are no plans for a "1.22"

[flat geode]

Really?

[harsh blaze]

yeah apparently a Mojang employee appeared on a stream and discussed it

[flat geode]

Guess that is why version numbering is changing

Damn

[harsh blaze]

not sure about how accurate it is
but we'll see

[flat geode]

I only heard of the version numbering bit

[harsh blaze]

my problem is now modders and mapmakers and server owners will have an unbelievably hard time keeping up with version cycles

not to mention that throws out any chance we get a "big update" like in past years

[flat geode]

I know, I haven't updated my minigame map and now it's off realms for the time being.

Thanks for adding me lol

[harsh blaze]

no problem

I wonder if Microsoft has any involvement in the drops thing

[summer scaffold]

this really is just needlessly confusing

[harsh blaze]

and this might sound conspiratorial but I'm curious if this is a plan to drive off modders and mapmakers and server owners so Mojang (Microsoft) themselves can publish maps and mods like on Bedrock

but that probably won't happen

[dusty thunder]

siiiiiighs

This is a shitty decision

[harsh blaze]

I really hope they just drop the 1. part of the version number and just stick to something like 21.11, and use a third number for hotfixes, so 1.21.8 would be 21.7.1 or something
and just iterate the main number for every drop

[flat geode]

Eh, idk about maps. According to them, they don't sell as well as everything else. At least, last I heard in the Summer. They def want talent from me and other mapmakers, but they also want us to make things other than just maps.

[little rampart]

I should update the server for the copper stuff

Assuming the mods are ready

I've been working on my ziggurat again the past few days

I bet copper shit would look great in there

I may replace the oxidized copper grates currently topping my office tower with something more silvery

Nothing immediately comes to mind except iron tho

[high elm]

IIRC the goal for MC was to reduce the number of breaking changes requires on the client side

so new stuff would only come as datapack and people could join with older clients and it'll simply pull down the new version

and hence, it wouldn't be required to implement new behaviour or code in the client, or a breaking network protocol change, so new versions would become less required

it's a drive towards making minecraft a content driven game that they can sell content for

[grave ravine]

they could use year.month versioning, aka. CalVer

https://calver.org/

(not CalinouVer, disappointingly)

[rapid bluff]

those version numbers do not make sense at all anymore

at this point they should change how it is done

1.21.1.1 for example

1. (never changing unless mine 2) 21.(mayor update) 1. (drops) 1.(bugs)

[flat geode]

They are planning on changing it soon, just not now. Version numbering would be matched on Bedrock.

[harsh blaze]

I love calendar versioning

thank you Linux for being so cool

Mojang could also go with something like year.drop.hotfix

so the second drop of 2026 could look like 26.2.0 or something

[novel mica]

officially been one full year since i started doing this

[summer scaffold]

reading through the easter egg dimensions in the infinity update really shows you how many dorks (affectionate) work at Mojang lol

[zinc epoch]

MY DOG HAS A SWEATER

[elfin heart]

game drops should have incremented to 1.22 instead of remaining on 1.21

only increment 1.21 -> 1.21.1,2,3,4 if the thing being released is backwards compatible with 1.21

at least, there’s a better way to do things than this;
1.20 (content)
1.20.1 (hotfix)
1.20.2 (minor content)
1.20.3 (content)
1.20.4 (hotfix)
1.20.5 (content)
1.20.6 (hotfix)
1.21 (content)
1.21.1 (hotfix)
1.21.2 (content)
1.21.3 (hotfix)
1.21.4 (content)
1.21.5 (content)
1.21.6 (content)
1.21.7 (hotfix incompatible with prior version)
1.21.8 (hotfix)
1.21.9 (content)
1.21.10 (hotfix)

maybe we need a fourth number 🤔

[mint cypress]

I just want Minecraft 2

[elfin heart]

hytale’s coming out soon

[harsh blaze]

I feel like hytale is going to feel like another Minecraft clone to me and I don’t like that feeling

[elfin heart]

personally, the prolonged development hell has killed any excitement I had for it

if it’s a fun time when it comes out I’m sure I’ll give it a whirl. At least it’s out of the hands of Tencent lol

[flat geode]

It's not going to be finished when it releases and I also think that it might be more creator focused. They seem to really be pushing that creative aspect. I'm intereested to see how that will go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8H5Gcqn574

There's this great video by OrangE exploring several clones of Minecraft. It kinda shows what works and what doesn't.

There are communities behind some of these games, because they're Minecraft but with a different focus/approach.

[high elm]

gregtech is almost a minecraft clone at this point

well GTNH

[flat geode]

Hopefully Hytale can fill the creative tool focus. I haven't seen any clone try that. I think they will be somewhat successful if they do that.

[elfin heart]

https://modrinth.com/shader/lightmap-fixer

first time playing 1.21.9+ and I hate the new lighting, it makes everything on the server I play on look different

[flat geode]

Huh... didn't even notice that.

[elfin heart]

in a room I built where the colour scheme is dark blue, cyan, lime, purple, and magenta, the only light source is sea lanterns. Guess what tint the white glass blocks have with this new lightmap? Orange

[novel mica]

old texture enjoyer i see

[glad gale]

Does the 1.21.9 version of Bobby work with 1.21.10? I figured it wouldn't, but I'm asking for the slim chance it might

[flat geode]

It works for me

[elfin heart]

1.21.10 is a hotfix update so almost everything 1.21.9 is compatible

[glad gale]

Lovely... will start using

[flat geode]

Fished 1,500 fish today

[novel mica]

afk fish farm?

[flat geode]

Nope, I don't AFK it

[novel mica]

then how did you fish 1500 fish in under 16 hours

[flat geode]

It was only 6 and a half hours actually

[novel mica]

so that means on average you got 1 fish every 15.6 seconds

i guess you were abusing how lure can sometimes result in you getting an instant catch

[flat geode]

Not really abusing, that's just how the enchantment works

It also rained a couple times

It's all on stream too

[rich cove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/SqvOxZyutwI?si=BgsjCAHPtjqLCH6i

[dusty thunder]

...I just thought of something. Could happy ghasts be used as a way to more easily transport shulkers from the End? Would they be able to attack you while dangling from a boat from the ghast? They rely on line of sight so I'm not sure.

[rich cove]

Does killing a Happy Ghast give you the Uneasy Alliance advancement

[mint cypress]

has to be a regular Ghast afaik

[glad gale]

More testing required.... I want to try that, too

[flat geode]

Put Happy Ghast back in the nether for Betrayal Advancement /j

[novel mica]

pale oak and dark oak trees piss me off sometimes as they're the only types of trees with a decent that you wont be able to replant them cause they require 4 saplings and they dont always drop 4 saplings

the solution to this is stupid easy also

just make pale oak and dark oak leaves have a higher chance to drop their saplings

[flat geode]

Same thing kinda happens with jungle trees too

[little rampart]

I have never had a problem getting saplings from dark or pale oak

[novel mica]

i think you've just got lucky then

do you want me to put some numbers behind what i said

[elfin heart]

do the trees take more saplings than they give?

[glad gale]

I had to make a fortune hoe to get adequate saplings from pale oak

[novel mica]

dam

[flat geode]

Chat, Joel is doing Rainbow Factory

[summer scaffold]

Joel ?

Vargskelethor ?

[flat geode]

No, SmallishBeans, from Hermitcraft

[dusty thunder]

Yeah, he...literally is, lol

Never thought Joel would be a brony, but I guess I'm not surprised. Always knew the horse hatred was projection, lol.

Happy to see some subtle MLP representation on the server though :)

[harsh blaze]

found someone new to watch on Hermitcraft after following Mumbo exclusively for the past six seasons, thank you lmfao

and I am a huge fan of Joel’s closed captions

[fleet marlin]

Is there any way to guarantee the matchstick style spruce tree from a sappling or is it pure luck

[dusty thunder]

As in, the thin and mostly barren style that generates in taigas? Or are you talking about the big spruce trees? @fleet marlin

[fleet marlin]

Thin n tall

With few leaves

[dusty thunder]

Only naturally generated, I believe.

[fleet marlin]

See, they're described as "pines" in the code and wiki, which is a different genus than spruce

So naturally I need to include them separately in my arboretum

[dusty thunder]

Mojang is silly like that, yeah

You'll have to make them by hand, I'm afraid

[fleet marlin]

Waaaaaaaaah

[dusty thunder]

There is no way to grow them

Wish there was

[fleet marlin]

Well at least it's an easy build

[dusty thunder]

Yup

[fleet marlin]

This is the worst thing currently affecting bedrock

[little rampart]

just start your arboretum near a naturally-spawned one

[fleet marlin]

Problem with that

This is the only land for miles

Wandering trader saplings

I've got a secondary survival world, a survival island, that's evolved into a cozy safe space for when I'm stressed or stoned and craving pretty visuals
And I adore the concept of a collection of trees and facts about them for conservation and or education (an arboretum)

[little rampart]

have you considered following the trader back to where he gets his saplings

[fleet marlin]

Well then the arboretum would be too far and or too wide

Here's the information book I have in it

[little rampart]

there's a megaspruce variant that is tall with very few leaves at the top that generates sometimes

maybe that's your pine?

[fleet marlin]

That's considered a megapine

[little rampart]

well you can make a megapine atleast

[fleet marlin]

Unlike mega spruce, and mega jungle, they're completely identical to their regular counterparts

[little rampart]

so what's the problem then

[fleet marlin]

Well I only need one or the other

If regular pine doesn't grow from sapplings I doubt mega pine does

And mega pine would be much harder to grow in my confined area regardless

[little rampart]

well i've grown many megapines

while farming spruce, i make megaspruces and sometimes it's a pine instead

[fleet marlin]

Ah

Neat

[little rampart]

it's rare though

[fleet marlin]

Unfortunately on bedrock they require a large clear radius with nothing overhead

Which I cannot accommodate as its the last I need, with other trees in the area

For my purposes a built regular pine would be my best option, even if suboptimal

[little rampart]

good luck!

[fleet marlin]

What's y'all's favorite Minecraft music?

First background, then disc

Personally, Mice on Venus (especially the second half) and Creator

[mint cypress]

unsure about bgm, but fave discs would be Pigstep and Creator

[elfin heart]

I ran into this problem just a week ago lol, it's odd they can't be spawned from sapling

[dusty thunder]

Background: So Below (deliciously haunting, creepy, and extremely atmospheric, and yet oddly calming for me)

Disc: three-way tie between Creator, Precipice, and Otherside (they're all just so perfect, I can't choose between them)

Honorable mention for BGM: Alpha (not technically background music for exploring the world since it only plays over the End Poem, but an absolutely gorgeous track all the same that deserves heaps upon heaps of praise; praise C418, praise him with great praise)

Honorable mention for music discs: Pigstep and Relic (Pigstep is, obviously, a bop, but Relic is severely underrated and almost wholesome in how it sounds)

[flat geode]

For Background Music, it would be Infinite Amethyst. Which kinda sucks since it only plays in Groves and Dripstone Caves.

Music disc wise, It's 100% Creator, a wonderfully amazing track through and through.

An honourable mention I'd have is Axolotl, which only plays underwater and it's one of the last C418 tracks.

[summer scaffold]

Sweden and otherside

[elfin heart]

There’s no way I could pick just one of the former category

ward is 3 songs on one disc

[fleet marlin]

See that's why I specified the second half of Mice on Venus

That's 2 songs

[fleet marlin]

I'm thinking about giving up bedrock edition and switching to Java

I don't really want to, but this past month has really tested my faith in bedrock

[flat geode]

Is it still not fixed?

[fleet marlin]

Idk
Most issues have been with the windows version of bedrock

[grizzled needle]

Come to java, we have mods

[fleet marlin]

I went to betacraft

It's been odd

But equally as addictive

[flat geode]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-new-version-numbering-system

An example using this years drops

They're going with the yearly system

They're also changing snapshot nuaming.

E.g., the first snapshot for Mounts of Mayhem was 25w41a but would have been 25.4-snapshot-1 in this new system.

There's also this in the article

A lot happened that year, including our announcement that instead of providing one free update during the year, we instead wanted to release content more frequently, called game drops.

There are just no major updates, this kills it

[dusty thunder]

This is a bad system

Modders hate this system

[mint cypress]

[onyx crow]

I mean. I don't think modders liked 1.21.x lasting forever either

It seems pretty straightforward, though. Year.Drop.Patch

[elfin heart]

YOOO I PREDICTED THIS

the last sentence here

[rapid bluff]

Ew

why

and rip major updates

Why not
1.XX.Y.Z

XX - Major
Y - Drop
Z - Bug fixes

would solve everything

[rapid bluff]

League of legends tried this naming system, lasted 3 months

I call this system lasting not even a single update

The original minecraft update format is simply iconic

Simple and functional (until they started adding drops)

[flat geode]

Well, I mean. we're getting Minecraft 26. Must be a huge update if they're adding 25. Totally an end update! /j

[onyx crow]

If I'm honest, I'm not sure why people are so peeved about a version number. Feels like there are far bigger fish to fry

They want to do smaller and more frequent updates, and now their versioning reflects it. It's not that deep

[dusty thunder]

Because it's just more confusion and doesn't even solve the nonexistent problem it's supposedly trying to solve.

And it effectively means we aren't getting major updates anymore, only game drops.

So yeah, it's a BIG deal

Because game drops are absolutely killing modders and modpacks. Many of their developers are exhausted and refusing to update because there's no point. As soon as they update their mods, the next game drop is released.

I have a feeling a lot of modpack developers are just gonna stop at 1.21.11 and not update further until it's like 4 or 5 game drops ahead.

Mojang genuinely thinks that they're doing something good here, but this is not a good way to update the game long-term. Short term is okay, if you have one major update, followed by two or three smaller ones, and then another major update, but doing smaller updates every 3 or 4 months long-term is exhausting and people are not happy about it.

Riot tried this exact same approach with League of Legends and it failed there too.

[rapid bluff]

and Riot does not even have to think about modding

it is just a confusing and shitty version scheme

for something that had a good version scheme for over a decade

[harsh blaze]

if it was an update every year with this version numbering scheme it would be perfectly fine
Game drops don’t work for the vast majority of people and I think this is going to set Minecraft down a second decline, especially with Hytale just around the corner

[fleet marlin]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jH1k0RIn_Ao?si=Y_x-aFc49arX9i5r

!!!