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indigo pine
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you know what. i give the combine a point over aperture. their turrets dont perma disable when falling over

hidden elbow
indigo pine
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although use as an infinite handgun if very good

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counter arfumenet is this

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i defeated it [the second time] by putting the turret up on a ledge

cunning galleon
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Played genshin for her

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Stremch

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For her, klee,and nahida

gaunt marten
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Are the watermarks in the bottom left and bottom right something the game forces you to add or did you intentionally add them?

wind stump
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gonna guess an in-game camera function that bakes them in

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nice username, btw

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THIS AIN'T N1RV-ANNA BUT I WILL FUCKING TAKE IT

quiet swift
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Seems like Highguard didn't even pay for the final spot at the Game Awards. I saw something about how the initial planned game pulled out at last minute, and Geoff offered it to Highguard because he liked it a lot, and they accepted

cerulean herald
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half-life 3 confirmed /s

frozen gate
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good for fans of dishonored who want smth a bit more stealth leaning

quiet swift
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wheeze Man using an wide screen monitor upwards just to display twitch chat

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(and it's on wheels so it can move around, it was on the left at the start wheeze )

fickle garnet
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😭

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This guy has too much money

quiet swift
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Yeah, he's a fairly big streamer and is pretty well off

rotund forge
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How much could I sell this Pokémon Soul Silver cartridge for (my brother found awhile back)

gaunt marten
gaunt marten
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Ah wait it's soul silver, not silver

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For Soul Silver you can probably get 30-150 USD depending on the condition assuming you have only the cartridge

rotund forge
icy crescent
cunning galleon
quartz pawn
gaunt marten
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Unfortunate

cunning galleon
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I don't play on windows

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I'm running this heavy game on my phone rdwut

quartz pawn
cunning galleon
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I used the ingame camera

quartz pawn
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can you not take a normal screenshot on the phone then?

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i see

cunning galleon
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If i do it'll show more than the watermark tho

quartz pawn
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you can just crop the screenshot?

cunning galleon
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Then it'll pixelate

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How is this a problem again

gaunt marten
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It is not a problem, I was just curious

cunning galleon
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You're good Flitter

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I'm just confused why DarkNinja is offering me worse alternatives

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My phone is only 2030*900 so cropping it will make the picture worse

quartz pawn
cunning galleon
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You don't have to ping me twice btw

quartz pawn
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ok i don't turn off pings everytime? but what ever

cunning galleon
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Anyway

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Paimon is my 2nd or 3rd favorite "game guide"/companion

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The first would be Arona buru arkaibu

cunning galleon
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At first i thought i was the only person shooting the birds on the bridge in Monstadt.. Seems like everyone does it

rugged flax
fickle garnet
mossy flume
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For what game?

rugged flax
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Mine Mogul
LGIO's whole schtick is just breaking games in unexpected and hilarious ways

green fulcrum
cunning galleon
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LGIO is very dedicated

indigo pine
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the engieneer is engiehere

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fun fact. it only gives you 3 turrets. i carried the 4th friendly one from the previous encounter

forest shoal
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HGSS uses the IR cartridges, they should be black and read NTR-031 on the back

rotund forge
mossy flume
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Ohhh, that’s right

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This is what a genuine cartridge looks like

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Definitely a counterfeit

craggy vine
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Man gaming handhelds really are getting popular.
Got lots of us playing games backstage of a show

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Rog ally, xbox rog ally x, 2 steam decks, and a nintendo switch lite all in the same room. And another guy has a switch and then a ps5

fresh bane
# mossy flume

there's even a whole video about this, even with this same cartdrige coincidentally rdwut
https://youtu.be/f87nDwkIod4?si=h2un2JoJ_hSN6ioN

Hello Everyone! We have another Episode of Fake Pokemon Game side by side comparison with a Legitimate one. This video is about Pokemon Soulsilver and how to figure out key differences between them to make sure you do not overpay for the Fake or Reproduction one. From what I can gather, there were limitations on what you can do within the Fake G...

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the case is a bit more see through, the shade of blue is completely different and it's lacking the white outline on the Soul Silver text

fresh bane
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I think those have been getting more popular because they're the last actual portable handhelds, the PS Vita was great but it was already at the point where it was getting a little too big to just carry around in your pocket

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still good that there's a lot of handheld options right now that are sometimes as good as having a PC

craggy vine
little badger
cunning galleon
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Actually pretty cool for them

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Helps a fan + good publicity

arctic fern
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They need all the good publicity.
Union! Union! Union!

cunning galleon
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Yea, they need it

visual hill
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I am pretty surprised to see, a similar situation happened for Borderlands 4, but that game had 1% of the expectations of GTA VI (on a good day)

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making someone sign a NDA who will pass away in 1 year for now might not suffice, perhaps his whole family had to sign one

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(what kind of penalty do you give to someone who passes away soon after if they break it?)

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the stakes are high enough for the risk of corruption to be real too 🙂

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Take-Two is also of a litigious nature, they give Nintendo a run for their money on this aspect

little badger
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Far cry 3 is getting a 60 FPS update on the 21st of January

visual hill
fresh bane
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classic edition

come on.... the game is from 2012.... don't do this to me... ow, my hip

arctic fern
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14 years old now

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you're legally allowed to be insane on discord

quiet swift
visual hill
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Rest failed successfully.
explanation: ||I spammed down B after failing my first rest, which caused me to (A)SDI down Mewtwo's attack, floorhug and therefore become actionable again. The second rest hit||

shell shore
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I just got where winds meet, it was free and now im gonna spend more time remaking my oc into it then actually playing the game

arctic fern
fresh bane
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Is Zomboid... Not already a survival game...? ajwhomstdve

craggy vine
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Look at the cmc go woo

shell shore
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The fuck

bitter stream
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yeah, I've heard the gacha in that game is some insane prices

shell shore
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I am not spending 50k on a boat

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ALSO

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Someone bought it already

mossy flume
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rdwut That sure is a thing to say in public

fickle garnet
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partnering with grok
hitchgrim

mossy flume
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Yeahhhhh

arctic fern
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partnering with the child porn bot? what the fuck?

fresh bane
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Oh that's just completely irresponsible

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''hey, are you ready for the inevitability of this happening with your product?''
''oh that's not how we want people to use it''
''....but it's going to happen''
''well we don't know''
''no, it's going to happen''
''weeeeelll you knooowww who even knows!''

arctic fern
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not even deflecting the question, damn

fickle garnet
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Oh my god, this guy😭

arctic fern
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what a dick head

fresh bane
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rdsnrk the point is not whether you think it's gonna happen or not, you ding dong, the point is that you HAVE to be prepared for things like this happening, because they're going to happen, and design your product in a way where you minimize this happening

mossy flume
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Yep

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Harm reduction is a moral obligation in engineering. Ethics is a required component of a STEM education for good reason.

arctic fern
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more like F ics

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as in, they got an F in ethics

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im funny

slim thorn
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when the AI starts asking for human rights, and humans agree with it, merely asserting it's a stochastic parrot and those humans are dumb is not a good enough response

sacred grove
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Bro I just want to play good games. What does AI have to do with making a game that is good

mossy flume
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When an engineer makes a thing for the public to use, there’s an unspoken agreement of trust that the developer, whether its software or civil engineering, did their due diligence to ensure what they’ve built will not be a risk to the public.

arctic fern
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ah see thats the nub of the issue
unspoken
as in, theres no regulation stopping them

mossy flume
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People who break that trust fundamentally undermine the entire system

slim thorn
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indeed, it's been pretty thoroughly undermined at this point

mossy flume
slim thorn
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yeah, if my management ever turned evil and ordered me to implement dark patterns, I'd expect doing the ethical thing to be what loses me my job and gets me blacklisted

mossy flume
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Yep =/

mossy flume
arctic fern
mossy flume
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I know

arctic fern
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most other engineering branches have a boatload of regulations such as OSHA

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software is comparitively new

mossy flume
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That's kinda my point. Software engineering doesn't, despite how many lives it affects. I just find that kinda interesting and feel like it might be worth a discussion as to whether that's a correct approach or not

arctic fern
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well we're learning the cinsequenses now

mossy flume
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True

mossy flume
arctic fern
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unfortunately the [rule 2] of most countries right now, the ones that matter anyway, arent exactly in positions to do anything about it

mossy flume
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Unfortunately so

slim thorn
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also most of the regulations software does have so far seem to be downright harmful

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I'm inclined to think it's simply that software risks are far more varied and subtle than "if the bridge falls down you're fucked"

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(well, that and most of the existing software regulations were written for physical goods and apply semi-incidentally, or weren't written until whatever tf you call the current era)

gaunt marten
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If the program breaks you're fucked

frozen gate
# fresh bane Oh that's just completely irresponsible

this interview reminds me of the one with the roblox ceo where it went like
"what if we introduced gambling to kids on roblox?"
"thats... oh my god... incredible idea, wow, we'll have to use that, um..."
"i was joking"
something like that, lol

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just like

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both of these people, actively tone malicious

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not even tone deaf

hushed onyx
# arctic fern software is comparitively new

TBF, it didn't take all that long before regulations started to be put in place around physical engineering goods as they became significant in the 19th century, although it did take a long time before they really started to get tight and actually ensure safety if engineers followed them to the letter instead of overbuilding.

arctic fern
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software is not hardware tho

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the concept of software as a commercial product really only started in what, the 80s?

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and for the most part, people make FUNCTIONAL software

hushed onyx
gaunt marten
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I already alluded to that

arctic fern
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only in the last few years have folks really started actively breaking key digital infrastructure such as windows

slim thorn
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I'm aware, that doesn't mean the risks aren't still fundamentally simpler to define and write standards for and enforce those standards

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you don't really see people disagreeing that a human getting badly injured is a bad outcome

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people disagree constantly on every aspect of what software should be doing

mossy flume
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You know, aside from the crazy psychopaths. They don't reflect society.

arctic fern
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you say that, but...

hushed onyx
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I suppose even they didn't really say that their employees being injured or dying in accidents was a positive good, so much as they said that 'oh, but the cost of stopping it would be too much!'

hushed onyx
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I suppose mandating the publication of a detailed specification (if you could even make a specification detailed enough) for any software product would resolve this issue at one level, not that anyone could ever do it ponee

slim thorn
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the reality of software is that code is the spec

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if non-programmers could write specs that actually specced, at that point they would just be programmers

gaunt marten
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That's why hiring programmers for management position is good -- they can be meaner and more precise with how unreasonable they are

slim thorn
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back to actual gaming for a second

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Talos Principle 2's DLC has one part that's described as "extremely difficult", and the first time I looked at it I was immediately stumped by every puzzle I looked at, so for the week or so I figured I'd probably complete the base game and every other part of the DLC and stop there

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but it turns out after sleeping on it enough times I could handle the hard DLC too

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(I still have not looked at a walkthrough for anything except star puzzles; all regular/lost/gold puzzles are legit, unless you count the few in-game skip tokens I did use)

visual hill
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The Talos Principle: Reawakened's new chapter (In the Beginning) arguably has the hardest official puzzles of the series now

slim thorn
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gtk

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probably won't get Reawakened though, since I did play the original way back when, and I'll have had quite enough hard puzzles when I'm done with 2's

indigo pine
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i love that valve has made the games switch screen depending on where you are at the moment

bitter stream
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I never got far into HL2. It's fun enough, but t hat zone with the village and headcrabs was where I put it down haha

river veldt
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Ravenholm's pretty scary yeah

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but playing with the Gravity Gun in it is so much fun

bitter stream
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yeah yeah. And the whole helicopter thing is pretty neat too

green fulcrum
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I actually named my first major fantasy Minecraft town after it: Raventon.

river veldt
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also i love Father Grigori, one of my favorite half life characters

green fulcrum
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I miss that town. Lots of stuff I'd do differently now if given the chance, but I loved building it

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I think I still have some pictures of it on my hard drive somewhere

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I was also extremely proud of the dockyard I made for it, and this tower on a hill

bitter stream
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nice nice

indigo pine
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i wonna kinda mnake a combine themed town

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also there is a point that the overseer basically asks "youve destroyd so many stuff. what have you made" i answeared fertilizer chrysinsane

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also. half life is beloved. even if i make a save every couple of minutes

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screenshot from the area

quiet swift
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Ravenholm is great

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But dear lord, fuck the poison headcrabs

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The sound they make sends shivers down my spine

river veldt
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oh god yeah poison headcrabs

green fulcrum
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Those are those fast red fuckers, right?

indigo pine
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shotgun is a friend in this. although there is an achivement of doing ravenholme with only gravity gun

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this man right here.

river veldt
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they function similarly to poison potions in Minecraft where they take you down to 1 health but cant kill you

indigo pine
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so ive done a few saves.

green fulcrum
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Oh I thought you meant the zombies

indigo pine
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father grigori

green fulcrum
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I love this guy

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There's something awesome about a pastor with a shotgun, especially if he's genuine in his beliefs.

indigo pine
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athis. was a pain

indigo pine
cunning galleon
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You could live without touching that feature tbh

indigo pine
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there are 14 mlp mods for hal life 2. 11 of them are made by the same person

arctic fern
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may or may not be getting a vintage story server going with a friend, if anyone is interested shoot me a dm or something

green fulcrum
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...TIL that there's a Spiderweb Software Discord server. I know what I'm joining now when I get back home.

worthy rose
green fulcrum
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The sounds at 0:18 would be terrifying in-game

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As would the very first one with the droning

arctic fern
indigo pine
arctic fern
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Oh that is sorted
The game isnt free, its like $20 i think

indigo pine
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ah I thought it was modpack. gimmie a second to check it out

green fulcrum
# arctic fern https://vintagestory.at/ A very poor description is a more realistic harder mine...

I mean, not inaccurate.

Whereas Minecraft is a full-blown sandbox with survival elements, Vintage Story is a survival game with sandbox elements. Minecraft has more color and block variation, and also has a lot of ease of access with its mechanics and tools. You don't need anything special to start making redstone machines, for instance. You get cobble, you get some redstone dust, you get some wood, and an ingot of iron, boom, you have a piston.

In Vintage Story, you have to do mineral sampling in caves to make sure you have the right minerals present to mine them, then mine the materials, then refine them into the specific materials you want them to be, then smelt them, then figure out metallurgy, then shape them, and craft each part of the machine before you can assemble it.

(Note, I haven't played Vintage Story so I don't know how accurate this all is, but based on what I have seen, it's something along those lines.)

indigo pine
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okay so. vintage story is discount gregcraft?

green fulcrum
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Not that hard, from what I can tell

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Kinda like an in-between

indigo pine
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hmm ic

arctic fern
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I dont know greg tech

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Its primitive survival

green fulcrum
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Fun fact, it was made by an ex-Hytale dev who split for creative differences (but amicably, I think)

indigo pine
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if I can aquire it I may join

arctic fern
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Start literally with stone you knap by hand, prospect for copper, delve into alloying it with tin to make bronze

slim thorn
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gotta love it when "split for creative differences" means you get two cakes games instead of one

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Devil May Cry moment

arctic fern
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Yeah lol

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Vs started as an mc mod

green fulcrum
# arctic fern I dont know greg tech

So, Gregtech is like if you took Minecraft, made EVERYTHING overcomplicated and highly-accurate to real life science for the smallest of things that it makes Factorio look like kindergarten, and then just multiplied that by ten just for shits and giggles.

indigo pine
arctic fern
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It focuses on stone to medieval level survival

slim thorn
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classic Greg behavior

indigo pine
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to finish the gregtech mod it takes something like a year I think?

arctic fern
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So farming is more complex, farmland has 3 nutrients that recover over time, and crops take from one of each nutrient
You cant grow only carrots, youve gotta do basic crop rotation
But thats it, 3 nutrients to look at, not an entire complex ecosystem

indigo pine
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ic

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honestly sounds interesting

arctic fern
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It is! I love it

indigo pine
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welp. gotta go dig the archives. there are free versions of the older game.

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not pirated. they give it out

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like outdated versions

arctic fern
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Oh i didnt kniw that

green fulcrum
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I think in Gregtech there's (at least) one item that takes like 100 other items (each needing to be crafted, smelted, or obtained through some other mindfuckery scientific magic bullshit) in order to craft.

indigo pine
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if I can find that. I'll avoid the high seas at the moment

green fulcrum
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I've heard New Horizons is the epitome of bullshit, lol

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It's like the Pyanodon mods in Factorio.

indigo pine
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it is

arctic fern
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https://youtu.be/2lZulOubz5o theres a great video i recommend that goes over a lot of the basic to medium level mechanics but its am huor long lol

This spoiler-free video contains everything* you could possibly need to know about the mechanics and progression of Vintage Story. If you want a crash course from the stone age to steel, you're in the right place.

  • May not literally contain everything. Actually, only contains content practical to survival and progression. Chisel tutorial exclu...
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indigo pine
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okay yea. they have a nightmare of a drm

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and their site is down as ell

worthy rose
arctic fern
arctic fern
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Yeah but im having a meal atm, so ill respond in an hr or so

indigo pine
frozen gate
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which is also cool

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how many games change the main menu based on progress i wonder

slim thorn
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tbh I thought that was pretty standard these days, it's more a matter of degree and triggers

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Nine Sols changes the main menu background and music when you get one of the endings

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Talos Principle 2 changes background based on which of the campaigns/DLC you were last playing

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if you mean changing the menu background level by level within a single normal campaign, yeah that might be unusual

indigo pine
cunning galleon
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Can you slice combines in half

astral steeple
cunning galleon
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ROAD CRAFT

arctic fern
bitter stream
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yeah, not what I was expecting to hear... hopefully it's good news for MLP related IPs

rancid herald
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I guess you can say they has bro now

visual hill
quiet swift
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Nothing bad, just thanking fans 🙂

river veldt
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aw what a sweet message

gaunt marten
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ZFG buys a Japanese OoT cartridge and then continues the save file that was inside of it to 100%

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Initial state

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19 hearts, three bottles, 82 gold skulltulas, most items

fresh bane
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I sure hope he backed it up maybe, though I don't know how easy it'd be if this is real hardware

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I would just feel bad about continuing someone else's save file like that, I dunno it feels interesting to have that savefile frozen in time like that

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I've seen a few videos of this kind popping up in the last few years though the ones I've seen were with PS2 and PS3's

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makes me wonder where the hell my memory card ended up in when my family sold the PS2 when I was a kid abflat god I wish I still had it and the outrageous amounts of games I had saved in a CD case

gaunt marten
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He made a copy and is continuing from the copy

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He keeps the two save files that already exist

fresh bane
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Oh duh

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Right, I forgot you can copy save files too

fresh bane
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oh god they're analyzing this poor guy's playstyle from his save file rdsnrk

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that would be so embarrassing

gaunt marten
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Yeah, that's why I linked the video. It's great

indigo pine
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this channel has 100k msgs

gaunt marten
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ZFG is a very popular ocarina of time player

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May be the most popular

pine lynx
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Hope it's ok for me to post this here but looking for friends on the Gameloft mlp game! 1a85a3

spiral kraken
worthy rose
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IGN

Ubisoft has announced a sweeping company restructure that will result in the cancelation of six games including its Prince of Persia: Sands of Time remake, and a delay to a further seven titles. Two Ubisoft studios will be closed completely as a result of the changes, while others will be subject to further layoffs.

astral steeple
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Oh hell yeah

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South park rocket league event happening

slim thorn
little badger
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Statement

slim thorn
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#TP2: I must've made some new neuron connections while playing this because these hard DLC puzzles are starting to feel not that bad at all. Also this was a fun arrangement to figure out (technically puzzle spoiler):

worthy rose
mossy flume
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Tanabe seems to have retired

wind stump
wind stump
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EWWWW, GIVING AWAY CARDS? FOR FREE?

rotund forge
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Wishlisting this NOW

river veldt
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it's weird how for the past 10 years Rare has been the Sea of Thieves Company even though they made so many amazing games in the 90s

gaunt marten
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Sea of thieves... not amazing... check

gaunt marten
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Adding a new tag under the "Input" Category called "Playable at Your Own Pace"
Adding a new tag under the "Visual" Category called "Playable without Vision"
Adding a new tag under the  "Visual" Category called "Contrast Controls"
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Super interested in "Playable at your own pace."

river veldt
proud warren
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this is why I love Nubby's

cunning galleon
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We are married

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Paimon, despite being a puppet of the god of space, thus making her as old as the universe if not older, is our daughter

graceful bridge
graceful bridge
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#1252785248471613510

graceful bridge
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Nexus Mods :: News :: Site News

Hi everyone, Iluviel here. I want to give you a heads-up on what we’re going to be working on at Nexus Mods in 2026 and some of the changes we’ve made to make that possible.OrganisationSome boring...

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We’re also committing to supporting Vortex on SteamOS. We’ll be targeting vanilla Steam hardware like the Steam Deck and Steam Machine. We won’t be officially supporting any other configurations, but as Vortex is an open source project community developers will be free to extend support for their preferred Linux distros as they please.

arctic fern
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Huh

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Neat

mossy flume
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Ohhh that’s pretty cool

little badger
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Starting now.

astral steeple
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800 mill? Wtf lol

quiet swift
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Games to claim via prime this week

dense crypt
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Brigador is super good

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Great stress relief game

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Just burn it all down with big tanks/mechs/hovercraft

quiet swift
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I remember hearing something about Harold Halibut, but i can't remember what

quiet swift
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And from Epic

quiet swift
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Finally got around to finishing Layers of fear 2 (game from my library randomly selected by the channel). Spooky but not scary, really interesting story

river veldt
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is that a Bloober Team joint

quiet swift
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Yar

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It's not my type of game really, but it was interesting enough 🙂

cunning galleon
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At this point it's just "ro" and no more blox

little badger
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@river veldt next direct

cunning galleon
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Move aside, Jean. I'm the one going on a date with Lisa

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I love choosing the flirty options with Lisa lol

cunning galleon
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This thing.. Why does it sound hot?! littlepipblush

rancid herald
little badger
bitter stream
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I'm not sure i've crystalised this thought but for folks who play games with builds whether that's deckbuilders, MMOs or Diablo-like ARPGs I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

Many games with builds have places where people post guides on how to build characters/decks/whatever and I've noticed that there's a certain thing I find myself going for with games like these. While it'd be faster to learn how to build my own builds by studying the existing ones, much like how a cook uses recipes, there's a certain experience to be had in learning from the basic building blocks of a game.

This experience is often less successful, especially in PvP games like some cardgames where your opponents are probably bringing good stuff.
It may just be that in any PvP version of this it'd be more likely to be fun to use the cookbook rather than learning from basic parts as otherwise it's going to be a rough learning experience.

In PvE games however, I think it can be a lot of fun to take your time (provided you have the time to spare) and learn from the basics, craft the build as you go, and get incrementally better at putting them together. I find that sort of small steps learning to be a lot of fun, and it being PvE means there's little to no pressure on trying to compete with other players directly.

Any thoughts on the above?

slim thorn
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I don't go for those genres, but I think the general principle applies to some of the games I do play. In particular the post-HK metroidvanias typically have "charm builds", and a lot of internet advice about which charms are good or bad for certain purposes. I do think part of what makes HK-like charm systems so good that they caught on and became a genre standard is that they provide that nice balance of experimentation, personal preference, meaningful tradeoffs, etc that "builds" are supposed to provide in a video game, without taking much time or mental focus away from the action platforming. And I do think a first time player should make their own choices rather than look up charm rankings online because that experimentation is part of the fun. Of course these aren't PvP games so the "but everyone's playing meta builds" problem doens't exist.

bitter stream
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yeah yeah, it's like a knowing the solution to a puzzle, if you know it before you even play, there's little fun to be had implementing the solution

slim thorn
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plus it risks you never discovering that you had a personal preference different from the consensus, either because your playstyle is unique, or because you just find something fun whether or not it's numerically effective

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(also the internet consensus on these things tends to be for speed/challenge runners and really not at all for casual players lol)

bitter stream
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yeah, like if you're shaving seconds off a PB, that's a very different playstyle than playing for fun

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And the most attuned/knowledgable players are probably more interested in challenge runs than the average player

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That's a really good point btw, about "never discovering personal preference" by using other peoples builds.

slim thorn
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and over in my world, a lot of charms are pretty obviously only good for new players (HK's Wayward Compass showing your current location on the map) or obviously way better for speed/challenge runners (all the variations on "take more damage to deal more damage")

bitter stream
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nods I suppose this sort of thinking carries over into the Soulslike genre as well right?

slim thorn
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probably, I'd guess that's somewhere in between my post-HK MVs and your PvP MMOs/ARPGs in terms of build complexity

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at least if we define "Soulslike" in the relatively narrow sense that includes significant RPG elements and real-time combat and such

bitter stream
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Right, I guess, Elden Ring as the example. You could just use an off the shelf build, and that's fine but maybe you miss out on the fun of trying out other weapons, and I think part of the replayability of that game is starting off and building different stats/weaponstyles/magic

slim thorn
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mm-hmm, in games that freeform I think community guides are a big part of allowing you to customize your own experience; some people won't enjoy puzzling out their own builds and it's valid to skip that by looking something up

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at least that's how I assume those work because I cannot imagine deeply engaging with every single mechanic in a single playthrough lol

bitter stream
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aye, perhaps I should say, "Opt out" instead of "miss out" as it's certainly a experience customisation thing

slim thorn
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(part of my preference for simpler games is that I'd rather not have to figure out what parts of the game to ignore and look up guides on how to ignore them; I wanna get on with playing the game lol)

bitter stream
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(aye aye, I guess my tastes have changed over the years. I used to prefer just being able to beat stuff rather than taking my time)

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Heck, oddly enough, in a very litteral sense, I suppose Minecraft has a similar thing right? Copy the builds from youtube to generate iron, or farm exp.

slim thorn
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true, farming and redstone tech does end up at a similar place, though much of it is unintended emergent gameplay

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early Minecraft was also the prototypical "wiki game" where you couldn't even operate it and access most of the content without looking up a bunch of stuff, so maybe not the best comparison

uneven epoch
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guess its the boring it depends. take something like modern persona series, where people tend to follow the meticulously laid out day by day guides (something we could liken to builds in other genres), because one "run" requires like 150 hours to complete and as such people tend to optimize in order to see "everything" bc, who has the time for that second playthrough?

slim thorn
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yeah, that's the biggest reason I always bring a walkthrough to RPGs; I want to play the whole game, and I can't trust any game in that genre to let me access all the content without potentially forcing whole replays lol

bitter stream
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Right, there's definitely a sense of "content extraction" there for sure. You pay for a JRPG, you want to see the whole thing

slim thorn
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(I think my original Fire Emblem playthrough ended on the stage with the ships; my units were just too weak and I wasn't about to replay everything to grind more optimally)

bitter stream
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Some games do it worse then others too... I heard about Triangle Strategy requiring a new game plus to see alternate routes, with no way to skip ahead to the branches.

slim thorn
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to be fair, that's not unheard of in shorter games (Silent Hill f requires ~3 playthroughs and Nire and I loved it), but not 100+ hour RPGs lol

bitter stream
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aye aye Ixrec.

slim thorn
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even the one weird ending in Elden Ring you can get "locked" into does have a way out so you shouldn't need to do a full replay to get at least one of the good endings

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although Soulslikes do have a problem with questline content being extremely missable without a comprehensive guide (my Elden Ring experience was managing the guide while a friend replayed it lol)

bitter stream
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Yeah, they go for the Zelda 1 approach of "Community effort to stumble across and see everything"

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And that's like, partly helped/hindered by the message system in-game

slim thorn
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indeed, which I can respect in theory, but it very much renders the game unplayable solo without a walkthrough and that gets in the way of all the other parts that should be fun for me on paper

bitter stream
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why's that?

slim thorn
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well, the more time I spend cross-referencing walkthroughs to make sure I haven't missed anything, the less time I'm spending getting good at the core combat

bitter stream
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no no, I mean, why can't you play without the walkthrough?

slim thorn
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oh because you'll miss half the content if you try that

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ok maybe "unplayable solo" was an overstatement

bitter stream
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cocothink Maybe I'm playing it wrong lol. I've got 70 hours in, and I've not beaten the game, but even though I've put it down for now, it was a lot of fun.

slim thorn
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it does make me completely uninterested in playing without a walkthrough since most of the games that do this also put some of the most interesting and rewarding content behind those walkthrough-only barriers

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yeah I've noticed the people who do play these enormous, endless complexity games are a lot more okay with both not finishing at all and with coming back for multiple playthroughs of the same content

bitter stream
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mmm. it's the hash brown quotient per player i guess... to stretch a very strange MtG metaphor

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to explain... let me look this up again, it's been a while

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In my opinion, games are just like a crispy hash brown. The crispy shell is the discovery process of the game. The most fun part about learning a new game is figuring the game out. But at some point you crack it; you figure out the key things that are of importance.
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It is my contention that most often a game becomes less fun because you've burnt through the discovery process. That said, some games handle this stage better than others. There are many classic games that have lasted a mighty long time, but staying with those games requires a fundamental shift in how you're getting your fun.

  • Mark Rosewater
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This was from an article where Mark is explaining why MtG has had such long lasting appeal and dedicated players

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because the game can "regrow" its crispy outer shell

slim thorn
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that's probably true for a wide range of players, and I suspect most "casual" players of every genre

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I think part of identifying one's favorite (mechanical) genres is discovering which mechanics remain fun for you even after you're familiar with them

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so when I start playing a new MV I'm going into with a mix of "familiar genre fun" and "new game discovery fun" when I have reactions like "oh I don't usually get a double jump this early"

bitter stream
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yeah, that makes sense

slim thorn
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or "whoa, Samus has a melee counter now!?"

bitter stream
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I suppose my favourite genre is probably FPS games, but finding ones I enjoy is easy, finding ones that aren't trying to wring customers for every nickle and dime is hard lol

slim thorn
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yeah, I definitely have the luxury of being into genres that are currently in a golden age

wind stump
slim thorn
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I feel like FPSs were in a golden age when I was a teenager, before all the predatory monetization became feasible

bitter stream
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Possibly! There's still good ones being made, they just tend to be indie or smaller in scope. Multiplayer FPS is either 400$ gun skins in valorant, Lootboxes in Overwatch 1, or gacha and $400 skins in anime shooter Strinova

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APEX legends gunplay is so damn good, but man, that game is a vampire for time and cash

slim thorn
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yeah, there's also plenty of genres that have just been fine this whole time and didn't necessarily peak or fall that much, like puzzle games

bitter stream
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true true

slim thorn
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maybe some specific subgenres, like I doubt we'd have Talos Principle without Portal

bitter stream
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What's the Talos Principle like?

slim thorn
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the actual puzzles typically consist of pressure plates, cubes, barriers, colored lasers, objects that receive and redirect those lasers, fans to propel you and other objects, that sort of thing

river veldt
slim thorn
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the story around it (in the first game) is about a simulation to develop an artificial human consciousness / AGI, and you solving the puzzles is supposed to be part of testing that you are in fact that AGI; there's a lot of philosophical and religious motifs and references brought in for obvious reasons

bitter stream
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ah yeah. sounds neat

slim thorn
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I've been having an absolute blast with Talos Principle 2. Got a lot farther in the optional hard puzzles than I thought I would, especially in the DLC. Still haven't hit a single "oh they ran out of good puzzles, that last one was bs" moment.

bitter stream
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oooh awesome

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what's the difference between Talos Principle and Talos Principle Awakened? remaster or something?

slim thorn
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Reawakened is a remake of the first game

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I have not personally played it because I played 1 back when 1 was new, and only just got around to 2

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so I assume new players should start with Reawakened (how would you screw up remaking a puzzle game? lol) but technically can't vouch for it

bitter stream
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fair enough haha

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I'll keep an eye on sales and see, some of the reviews say the performance in Reawakened is not great due to typical ue5 stuff

slim thorn
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that would be unsurprising, there's a few parts of TP2 that lag for me

bitter stream
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nods

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Thanks for the long chat Ixrec! and thanks to others that chimed in.
I'm off to get some food haha

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was a fun conversation

slim thorn
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actually, we've established Cap does not seem to like Mario-likes that aren't Mario

uneven epoch
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i dip into a few genres and about the only thing that remains consistent is story heavy. i think i can forgive a lot of mechanical jank if i enjoy the story and/or characters

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probably why i tend to struggle with sandboxy do anything make your own story kinda games

cerulean herald
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same, I enjoy those with good stories. I don't rly have a fav genre either, but a focus on story is a consistent pattern it seems

river veldt
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i like platformers and open world games i suppose

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and fps games

quiet swift
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Not sure if gog galaxy hours played tracker is completely accurate, but if it is... pretty proud of Stellaris there KEKW

mossy flume
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IGN

A new lawsuit filed by shareholders of Hasbro against the company and its directors alleges that company leadership "concealed the true reason" that its widely-criticized, incredibly expensive Magic: The Gathering 30th Anniversary Set was pulled from sale less than an hour after its initial release.

green fulcrum
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sniff sniff

Ahhhh, I just love the smell of karma in the morning (er, evening).

mossy flume
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The lawsuit alleges that they overprinted the set, but did not sell a large chunk of what they did print for the purpose of creating additional scarcity

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I hadn’t heard of this anniversary set. $1000 for a set of classic cards (but not tournament legal?!) is pretty wild

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‘"[Former Employee 6] likewise stated that the Company paused its sales of the Magic Anniversary Set less than an hour after its release, only selling a portion of its available inventory. FE 6 further noted that shortly after the set’s release, he and other Wizards employees viewed photographs of Magic Anniversary Sets dropped off at a Texas landfill alongside older Magic products."’

gaunt marten
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That way they can report they printed many copies

sudden magnet
sudden magnet
random steppe
# sudden magnet No sane company does this. They produce exactly what they need, older products g...

The thing is, it's not just kind of scummy, in a relatively normal way for the industry, because let's be honest, artificial scarcity is extremely common in the collectable market.

It's scummy in a very dumb way because as you mentioned, why produce more if you aren't putting them on sale right away? You don't even have the excuse that production isn't meeting the demand, and you waste space in warehouses to store stuff you aren't selling.

mossy flume
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Fable is an upcoming action role-playing game developed by Playground Games and published by Xbox Game Studios. Set in the fictional world of Albion, Fable represents the first new instalment in the franchise since Lionhead Studios's Fable: The Journey in 2012. Positioned as a reboot, the game aims to update the series with contemporary gameplay...

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This is using the Forza racing game engine rdwut

random steppe
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That's an interesting choice

mossy flume
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Gotta accurately simulate the wear and temperature of each NPC’s shoe soles twimerp

random steppe
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I wonder if it's about being able to load assets really fast as you move actually

mossy flume
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Or just being the engine that they happen to know well

random steppe
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If they have flight or stuff like that, an engine made for a racing game might come in handy

robust latch
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Maybe they plan to put wheely bopper into the game

rancid herald
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ah yes the four classes of fantasy games: melee dps, ranged dps, magic dps and car

quiet swift
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KEKW the anti-e33 copium continues to be absolutely legendary...

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"Oh it swept the awards because there was no real competition that year"
Ex-fucking-scuse me, did you not see how stacked 2025 was

rancid herald
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was it?

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what else came out in 2025

quiet swift
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Not necessarily all 10/10 games, to be fair, but they're all became pretty danm big

bitter stream
slim thorn
slim thorn
frozen gate
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always play blind the first time, especially with rpgs

astral steeple
bitter stream
quiet swift
slim thorn
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literally how

bitter stream
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Expedition 33 was everywhere, and in somecases still is in a lot of places

slim thorn
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if I didn't have a billion other things to do I'd probably be playing the E33 DLC by now

fickle garnet
fickle garnet
# slim thorn literally how

It seems like people just like to call anything they don't like (especially indie projects) an industry planthitchgrim

quiet swift
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Essentially, yes

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It's hilarious and pathetic and hilariously pathetic

fickle garnet
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Yeah

fresh bane
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I completely understand being in the mindset of ''man E33 is everywhere, we get it, it's an almost perfect game, we don't need to talk about it anymore'' where you don't really hate E33 you just hate the discussion of it because you've already heard it 50 billion times, but going from that all the way into: ''this game is an industry plant it's not even actually good it's trash'' is just completely chronically online behavior

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and also wrong

slim thorn
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indeed

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here at least everyone who was hyping it up had the self-awareness to just... stop when it was obvious that everyone who could be sold on the game had already been sold

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most days there's simply no point bringing it up outside of the E33 thread now

quiet swift
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Monoco's VA is up for a BAFTA award for that performance rdwut

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Not a nomination yet, but in the list

cerulean herald
tiny wigeon
slim thorn
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did they un-retire again

tiny wigeon
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1.4.5 dropping the 27th @bronze abyss

bronze abyss
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tfw cal clone is harder than the real thing

arctic fern
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i still havent done a lot of the 1.4.4 content, i think i missed a lot of 1.4.3 stuff too

cerulean herald
arctic fern
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ye

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VS is great

cerulean herald
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does look pretty intimidating rdwut but it might be something I'll give a shot in the near future

arctic fern
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lZulOubz5o this is the vid i recommend for newer people that explains most of the core mechanics
its an hour long but its very good

This spoiler-free video contains everything* you could possibly need to know about the mechanics and progression of Vintage Story. If you want a crash course from the stone age to steel, you're in the right place.

  • May not literally contain everything. Actually, only contains content practical to survival and progression. Chisel tutorial exclu...
▶ Play video
fresh bane
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but re7 came out like 2 years ago...

fickle garnet
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Damn 9 years agoflutternatureissofascinating

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I never actually finished RE7, I should do that sometime

slim thorn
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usually with these age memes my reaction is "oh, yeah, that was a while ago wasn't it, my life is a lot more consistent this decade so it doesn't feel like time is passing as much"

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but this one feels wrong, like, have they really only made 1 additional mainline game since then?

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back in my day a game worth playing took 1-2 years, not 4-5

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(...is that even true??? flutterscared)

river veldt
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do the remakes not count as mainline ?

fresh bane
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They should not count as new games

slim thorn
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oh right, that's why

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the fact that I completely forgot to consider those says something but I'm not sure what

fresh bane
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It took a long time between RE7 and RE8, like a good 4 years

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but then again Capcom was doing DMC5, RE2R, probably some Monster Hunter stuff, Street Fighter 6

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the Remakes also have been really popular so they were doing that instead of new games

slim thorn
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iirc googles 2023 in particular was like "the year of the remake" with RE4, DS1 and MP1 all getting well-received remakes that year but causing a round of "ok is no one playing any original IPs this year" discourse

fickle garnet
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I'm not sure what DS1 and MP1 areflutternatureissofascinating

slim thorn
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Dead Space 1 and Metroid Prime 1

fickle garnet
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OH

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Right, I forgot about those

river veldt
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oh i read that as Dark Souls not Dead Space and was like "did i miss something" rdsnrk

slim thorn
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it's easy to do considering all 3 of the games I just mentioned have not led to another remake of the obvious N+1th entry

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which is especially funny in RE's case as they'd remade all of 1-4

river veldt
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yeah but do people want RE 5 and 6 remakes

fresh bane
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People were really expecting Dead Space 2 remake and then they just decided to not follow up on that at all despite DS1 being well received

slim thorn
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(though in retrospect we have an easy answer for Metroid: that remaster was prep for making Prime 4)

fresh bane
fickle garnet
#

Is it bad to say that the only RE game I finished was 8

slim thorn
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all the RE4R reception I recall was "none of us asked for this but it's so good I don't even care"

fresh bane
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I think it's easily the best one out of all the remakes so far, it's the one that sticks the closest to the original despite the shift in tone

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and I still am probably always gonna play the original anyways

river veldt
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i suppose 5 and 6 are probably the ones that should have been remade since to my knowledge they're kind of poopy

fresh bane
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but if someone really just could not handle Gamecube gameplay, then I would say RE4R is fine

river veldt
slim thorn
fresh bane
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it really didn't need one and it ended up being the one that I liked the most

fickle garnet
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Is the Gamecube version of RE4 better than the ps2 version?

fresh bane
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I have my issues with RE2R despite thinking it's a really great game on its own and the less I say about 3 the better

fresh bane
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the Gamecube version doesn't have all the extra modes

fickle garnet
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I see

slim thorn
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For anyone brand new to the franchise I'm always going to recommend 1 remake and 2 remake because I feel those are the highest quality highly accessible entries in the "classic" and "modern" styles of the franchise (original RE2 being "classic", hence Nire's issues with the remake). In the past I would've said RE4 easy but these days so many games have been influenced by RE4 that it's no longer the best answer to "if I've never played RE which one should I try" IMO.

river veldt
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the only RE game ive played all the way through is RE4

slim thorn
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original RE4 was the first RE I ever played, arguably the first "survival horror" I ever played though of course 4's whole thing was blurring the genre line there

fresh bane
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Honestly for as much as I go on about my issues with RE2R's shortcomings I don't actually have a problem with the game itself it was praised justifiably for actually going back to the real formula of survival horror gameplay instead of what RE turned into after RE4 (and by consequence, every single other survival horror franchise afterwards)

river veldt
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i have watched Vinesauce Vinny's RE7 and 8 playthroughs and enjoyed them a lot

fresh bane
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Well, actually it was RE7 which did that first but I guess people forgot about RE7

river veldt
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and a little bit of Jerma's RE2 remake playthrough

slim thorn
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nah I remember 7 there's just nothing new to say about it right now

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I guess if the question is "why recommend 1+2 over 7?" then... I don't have a super strong answer?

fresh bane
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What I mean is that RE7 did the whole ''going back to the survival horror formula'' first but people praise RE2R for doing that

fickle garnet
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I never finished 7 cuz when I played it, I was creeped out by itflutternatureissofascinating

slim thorn
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oh, huh, well that's not why I put 2R that high lol

river veldt
fresh bane
slim thorn
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if you drop a book/movie/game because of exactly the thing it's trying to do, that still counts as a compliment rdsnrk

fresh bane
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Which is kinda wild that I got both the classic and modern experience as a kid and I didn't realize it

fickle garnet
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I really should go back to it

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I want to playthrough all the mainline games

slim thorn
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I still need to finish 3R

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I've almost played every single RE up to 4 including remakes so that's a very weird gap to have hanging over me

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(failing to finish CV doesn't count, CV's softlock is its own damn fault)

cerulean herald
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what happened regarding the softlock

slim thorn
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there's a critical item you have to pick up in one area before taking a one-way trip to another area and if you missed it then you simply cannot finish the game, full stop

fresh bane
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I think I played all the RE games I care for, my blindspots are 5 and 6 which I never finished in their entirety but I honestly just don't even care about those games at all, I know Chris punches a boulder and Sheva is annoying that's all I need to know about that, I even cared more about the Revelations games than those two

slim thorn
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Code Veronica is maybe the single weirdest RE to talk about because the first half with Claire on the island is absolutely top-tier (ignoring Steve), on par with RE1's Spencer Mansion and RE2's police station. But the second half is nowhere near as strong, and has all sorts of bizarre problems it didn't need to have, this softlock being just one of them.

fresh bane
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I even just finished playing RE1 DS which was surprisingly a super enjoyable RE1 upgrade, basically RE4-RE1R gameplay and features on the original RE1, with all the original content

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was really good

fickle garnet
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I should continue that, I just suck at itflutternatureissofascinating

fresh bane
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I want to justify CV by saying it was 2000 so game devs were still figuring out game design stuff but at the same time unless the development of that game was super shit I cannot justify how anyone would be play testing that game and not say ''hey guys this kinda sucks this is really bad''

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I don't really think there were any constraints at the time other than there being 3 RE games developed simultaneously with RE3-CV and 4 (and REmake.... and Outbreak....)

slim thorn
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yeah that's just a failure of QA, once games became longer than 5 minutes I'm pretty sure that was considered bad

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at least in Zero the potential to lose half your inventory because the character holding it got taken out by a cutscene is technically a design flaw rather than a bug / QA fail

fresh bane
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I completely forgot about 0 again

fickle garnet
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I tried 0, but ended up not liking having to control two characters

slim thorn
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I will never forget about 0 because Tale made me play it and I had a blast yet I'm also vicariously angry at all the things that would have happened if she didn't warn me about these critical design flops rdsnrk

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but the train sequence at the start is still the best part of 0, so it is very okay to just do that and say you've seen what it has to offer

fickle garnet
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That's pretty much all I didrdsnrk

sacred grove
river veldt
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yoooo

astral steeple
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If only nuts and bolts could get a recompilation lol

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Or just straight up a re-release or remaster that ends up on pc too

quiet swift
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Oh, this is a decent question that's going around the tweets. If E33, Elden Ring and BG3 came out the same year, what would win the GOTY award cocothink

cerulean herald
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my personal pick is e33

fickle garnet
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Three way tie

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I don't knowflutternatureissofascinating

slim thorn
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(I've only played one of them and don't plan to change that so...)

cerulean herald
fickle garnet
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True...

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I do think both BG3 and E33 are better than Elden Ring tho

quiet swift
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Honestly, I'd also say a tie rdsnrk if we're going other awards, E33 is still winning best soundtrack, and it could go either between E33 or BG3 for best narrative for example. But overall, it would be really hard to figure out which one is the best of the three

cerulean herald
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just imagine they had a ''Game of the Decade'' and took all GOTYs of the past 10 years and put them up against each other rdwut

quiet swift
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Honestly, it would probably still come down to those three as finalists

river veldt
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Baldur's Gate 3 bores me so i guess i'd have to go with Elden Ring

cerulean herald
#

lets compromise and vote for Baldur's Ring 33

river veldt
#

did Overwatch really win GotY 2016

cerulean herald
#

yep

slim thorn
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I feel like you could question several of those

quiet swift
river veldt
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no fucking way lmao

slim thorn
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but the overwhelming majority of these "goty"s don't apply to my experience of games anyway, so this is all academic

quiet swift
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To be fair, Overwatch had a massive impact back then. They've obviously since fumbled the ball badly, but

fickle garnet
slim thorn
#

ultimately, that's the problem with trying to name a single best game of any time period

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games are varied enough now that many genres just don't make sense to directly compare

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even within FPS it feels weird to place single player and multiplayer together (at least for me because I never play the latter)

river veldt
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holyyyy shit Mewgenics in 17 days ccloudypog

fickle garnet
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What's that

river veldt
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new game by Edmund McMillen the creator of Binding of Isaac

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you breed cats and they go on an adventure

fickle garnet
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Oh, I didn't know they were making a new game

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I would like to play Binding of Isaac eventually

river veldt
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it's really good

fickle garnet
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I've heard

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Which is why I want to play it. Also cuz I like rouglikes and bullet hells

proud warren
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Well just know that Isaac has like, a stupid about of synergies; some of which many people here haven't even come across naturally

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Also mod support if you use PC LMAO

fickle garnet
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I'm on pc yeah

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I've wanted to play the game for years, but never have

fickle garnet
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That looks interesting

cerulean herald
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yup, its pretty fun
(also i have no idea why its not embeding ppenk)

visual hill
cunning galleon
wind stump
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emergency food

cunning galleon
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Even Xiangling thinks so

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Shiny Pokémon

astral steeple
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AHHHHH

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SOMEONE FOUND IT

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The canceled ps1 beavis and butthead game

little badger
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Click the text only

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As thumbnail reveals character

wind stump
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ur not my dad

little badger
cunning galleon
dense crypt
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looks like a Warframe

cunning galleon
cerulean herald
orchid sundial
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i'm thinking about maybe getting into more traditional racing games and not just kart racers

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maybe starting with ps1/ps2 racing games, since some can be bought on the ps3 store

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what would you recommend?

fickle garnet
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Burnout 3, Motorstorm, and Need for Speed Hot Pursuit

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those are all good

orchid sundial
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those aren't on the store, sorry

fickle garnet
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Damn

wind stump
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yar

fickle garnet
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I just emulate ps1/2 games

visual hill
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GT3/4 are not on PS3 or its backcompat

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GT5/6 are no longer sold due to car licenses IIRC

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unfortunately, you will often run into this issue for old games involving licensed cars

fickle garnet
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Oh, is that why the Forza games keep getting delisted?

rotund forge
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Would You Kindly...

quiet swift
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Apparently there are many memes surrounding Highguard already, since it's technically coming out tomorrow but there's been radio silence since the game awards rdwut

gaunt marten
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Watching GDQ runs I missed. This one's good https://youtu.be/lDmUR1CPm7w

Runner introduction starts at 0:00
Run starts at 0:55
JD Puppy is host

This speedrun was recorded during Awesome Games Done Quick 2026, a week long charity speedrun marathon raising money for the Prevent Cancer Foundation. Awesome Games Done Quick 2026 is just one of the many charity marathons organized by Games Done Quick. For more information...

▶ Play video
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I really don't like how insincere JD Puppy sounds

quiet swift
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Ooh, first new ball x pit dlc is tomorrow

cunning galleon
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14 seconds difference

indigo pine
bitter stream
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why is charcoal good in this game?

indigo pine
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higher temp and renewable

arctic fern
gray whale
mossy flume
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Yep. Car and music licensing are time bombs that frequently cause games to be pulled from stores when the licenses expire.

light gate
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I hate this kind of practice.

orchid sundial
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oh no

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rhythm heaven fans are just gonna have to suffer more RarityExhausted

little badger
fickle garnet
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I do, yes

fickle garnet
#

Half Sword early access on January 30thccloudypog

hushed onyx
# mossy flume Yep. Car and music licensing are time bombs that frequently cause games to be pu...

This is one of many areas where IP laws need to be overhauled, because it's patently absurd and hostile to the purpose of the law to make older cultural products unavailable merely because some old legal agreement expired. Imagine if all of the copies of the Iliad or Odyssey had to be rounded up and destroyed in Ancient Greece because Homer's agreements with other poets to use their material had expired before it could become public domain or something.

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(Ignoring the fact that ancient oral cultures like the ones that produced the works of Homer have a totally different understanding of how that sort of thing works that is not even remotely legalistic to begin with...)

quiet swift
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woo, ball x pit dlc is out! Endless mode yoooo

bitter stream
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is anyone here interested in Highguard? I've heard nothing since the game awards, but it appears it's out, and I'm giving it a try.

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(PvP raid based shooter... 3v3 I think?)

worldly summit
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TIL The Hundred Line: Last Defence Academy has one of the longest scripts in a video game, over 6 million words

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If you don’t speak English, Japanese, or Chinese and wanted to play The Hundred Line it would likely be quicker to learn one of those three languages than to wait for a fan translation

bitter stream
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heh fair enough

worldly summit
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There are some games that do have more raw wordcount like WoW

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also Hundred Line has 100 endings so not playing all of those will spare you from reading the 23 novels of text

fresh bane
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is everybody having a good time with highguar-- ooohh....

visual hill
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the Overwatch 2 treatment... I feel bad for the devs

light gate
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… is it actual proper reviews or the usual toxic garbo?

slim thorn
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did Highguard have any of the broken promises that made the OW2 reaction at least kinda understandable?

fresh bane
# light gate … is it actual proper reviews or the usual toxic garbo?

I'm actually gonna be reading through some of them because I want to know what the actual issues with the game are, because my concerns with it was that it just looked really bad and I felt like the art direction was just nonsense, aside from seeming to not really add anything new to the genre

light gate
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Don’t worry though, the next punching bag will be Marathon in March.

fresh bane
#

Marathon was already the punching bag more like it's gonna be the second round for Marathon

light gate
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Ehh, people are still punching even with all the changes.

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And some of it is valid.

bitter stream
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I mostly just feel bad for the devs. The game clearly wasn't designed or prepared for this level of scrutiny. Everything is blurry and unclear. The map is the size of Latvia but you only have 3 players so most of your time is spent running around the map looking for something to kill. It's saying it's a fast-paced shooter but also the merchant makes you go mine rare earth metals to buy stuff. The characters are profoundly bland and uninteresting and the art direction is just like they dumped every Cool Idea into a vat - what if there was magic? what if there was guns? what if you could ride a bear? what if there was Excalibur? what if there was a giant siege tower? The game isn't fun and it isn't interesting.

All that said, it is free.
one of the reviews I saw for High Guard.

light gate
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Yeaah, it feels like High Guard had no direction.

bitter stream
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I watched a bit of people streaming it about an hour on launch, and when they could get a game ( there were server issues at times) it seemed interesting but haphazard.

Like it's got R6S wall destruction but only the whole wall at once. It's got ziplines and APEX hero kits but the guns don't have recoil and there's less movement. It's got respawns except when sieging when the attackers have limited lives.

The loot is basically fortnite with material mining included.

It's an interesting mashup, but I'll have ot try it myself to feel if it's fun for me, it didn't seem fun for the streamer though.

light gate
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That honestly sounds like more work.

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Like work for the sake of work.

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I get that they want a live service but you can’t just plop something and expect it to be a mega hit.

bitter stream
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yeahh, I'm not sure if it just playtested well internally, or they didn't want to beta test it openly for whatever reason.

light gate
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You know what I’d like right now? An original starfox-like game that isn’t early access and has cool anthro characters.

gaunt marten
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Doesn't one of those exist?

light gate
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Not another Fortnite-Apex-Competitive-Shooter.

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ExZodiac gets close

slim thorn
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more likely they'd invested enough money into it already that they would rather release a probable dud than quietly wrap it up

light gate
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But I kinda want something that isn’t retro-ish and instead more modern.

gaunt marten
light gate
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Oh… yeah… about that…

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Everyone got laid off.

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Their Whisker Squadron Kickstarter project is in limbo.

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Its a shame.

gaunt marten
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I see.

light gate
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The company is still operating, but its just one guy now.

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I really liked Whisker Squadron.

bitter stream
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that's a shame... I wonder what happened.

light gate
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They asked too little.

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The game grew in scope, needed more money.

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So Survivor was made to essentially give them a buffer since they underestimated… at least from my observation.

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But it didn’t sell that well and… the bell rang.

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Essentially Whisker Squadron was gonna be linear starfox, but then they wanted to add a more open world concept. Kinda like everspace 2 but a few linear sections still in.

bitter stream
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ah right

light gate
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Some of the stuff looked sick

bitter stream
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nods

light gate
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||Whisker Squadron survivor contains some Whisker Squadron KS maps but you need to know how to use the dev command box.||

fresh bane
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like, 7 years development or something like that

light gate
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Seven years?

fresh bane
# light gate ExZodiac gets close

I was gonna say Ex-Zodiac because I saw someone play it recently and it seemed like the closest Starfox game that isn't Starfox but it's still in early access

river veldt
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is Highguard the one that Geoff Keighley was hyping up at the Game Awards

light gate
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Heck, even has a proper Mac build.

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Even Cult of the Lamb got a proper mac build for Apple Silicon.

fresh bane
# light gate Seven years?

Yeah but I don't even know if any of it is true, it might be cope to try and explain how horribly lacking in direction the game is

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I don't wanna compare it to Concord but...

slim thorn
fresh bane
bitter stream
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I probably need the Talk. Tell me about Hype Culture Princess Ixrec

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hehe

slim thorn
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ok I don't actually have a talk prepared on that I kinda assume we all know what I'm talking about already rdsnrk

gaunt marten
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Here's the talk

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Hype is poison, send skeet

slim thorn
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but half the joke is that "just because the ads looked good doesn't mean the final game will be good... or even remotely resemble the ad... or exist at all" feels like one of those inevitable disillusionments of growing up, that you would only fall for as a young child who played their first good video game a few days ago

gaunt marten
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Everything Geoff Keighley says is exaggerated

bitter stream
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Idk, I feel like I fall for hype stuff a lot, or at least more than I'd like.

slim thorn
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I definitely understand the temptation

random steppe
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I mean to be fair, in this case I'm not sure it was a hype culture problem.

river veldt
gaunt marten
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I do not know that one meme

fresh bane
slim thorn
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I've just seen it be completely untrue (not even in a subjective way; often the game never came out or was a totally different game) so many times that it's impossible for me to even bother giving ads the benefit of the doubt with some very rare exceptions for the few devs/studios who've earned that trust

random steppe
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Like, when I think of hype culture I think of a fanbase hyping a game up across the span of weeks/months.
The hype for Highguard lasted like, 25 seconds

river veldt
gaunt marten
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Oh it's a tweet

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Yeah

mossy flume
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Forgot about it otherwise

slim thorn
wind stump
random steppe
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I think Silksong did withstand its hype decently well, but I do think that it did come short for a lot of people because it was hyped up so much.

It's really a testment at how good it actually is that the final sentiment about it is positive at all, really

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It was getting to HL3 levels of hype

slim thorn
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indeed, that other problem of hyping a game before it's out still applies, but at least there was nothing misleading or dishonest about the whole process

light gate
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If HL3 ever gets revealed

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Oh my god

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That would be like a 9 on the seismic scale.

random steppe
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It's at a point where HL3 can't just be a HL2 with modern graphichs and a few new mechanics, it needs to reinvent the genre to even hope to meet the hype, which is why probably it'll never come out

slim thorn
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honestly I think HL3 hype has fizzled out, it's been so long we've practically had a whole generation of gamers that didn't play HL1-2 (or did and were underwhelmed by it now that most of its tricks are no longer novel)

bitter stream
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haha

slim thorn
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nowhere near zero of course, but declining

light gate
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I want to say “true” but my timelines were full of people hoping for HL3 during the game awards.

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Also didn’t help the rumors.

slim thorn
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and this group we're in right here is dead center of what's left of the hype, so we'd be the last to notice it disappear entirely

random steppe
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I do think it's still high, people are less overt about it now that is true, but the farther you get the more you get something else mixed in, nostalgia, which assures that no matter what you make, it won't match the rosy glasses of the people waiting for it

sacred grove
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The current rumor is that HL3 is supposed to be a launch title for the Steam Machine. However, Valve's new lineup of hardware was likely delayed due to [guestures vaguely at everything]

slim thorn
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yeah, just the "high" is relative

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it's more of a background simmer that exists in some demographics of gamers but not others

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and I agree they probably won't dare to call a game HL3 anytime soon, if they do make another HL it'll probably be another subtitled affair like Alyx

mossy flume
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HL3 is such a mythical game that no matter what it is, even if it is the best FPS to ever be made, it will be considered a flop.

bitter stream
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and instead... we got Deadlock. Woo?

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I guess they looked at CS2/DOTA2 and went, why not another f2p lootbox mtx cosmetic based team game.

random steppe
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I still can't believe they called it highguard though

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Like, two words, synonym with "over" and "watch"

bitter stream
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hahahahha omg

slim thorn
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wow I didn't even catch that

random steppe
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Do you know how sometimes you watch a movie or a game that want to make IRL references.
That's 100% how they would call their legally distinct overwatch

slim thorn
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why couldn't they have called it something original like Ringworld or Decay Rate or Network Jolt or Two Weeks

gaunt marten
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None of these are culturally a fit like Highguard is

random steppe
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My favourite is in Warframe, the way they call their superman equivalent is Megabloke

slim thorn
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ok that's good

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although to be fair, is "highguard" a good cultural fit?

bitter stream
random steppe
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It's one of the modern pop refereces in some ||kim conversations||

bitter stream
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ahh right right

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I never did engage with that particular part of the game much

bitter stream
gaunt marten
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I have not seen a single image of Highguard, but

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I heard it's like... Scottish Highland inspired or something?

random steppe
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||Kim|| is the best written part of the game IMO

bitter stream
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See I agree having seen some of the conversations, but something about actually engaging with it makes me kinda sad/annoyed. I can't put a finger on why, but I just don't mesh with the system

bitter stream
quiet swift
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Geoff tweeted two days ago a jurassic park gif saying "in 48 hours I'll be accepting your apologies".

Then makes another tweet today, "thoughts on highguard so far?"

And... yeah. 21%. The tweets are also not very kind rdsnrk

hushed onyx
# slim thorn why couldn't they have called it something original like Ringworld or Decay Rate...

Ringworld is a 1970 science fiction novel by Larry Niven, set in his Known Space universe and considered a classic of science fiction literature. Ringworld tells the story of Louis Wu and his companions on a mission to the Ringworld, an enormous rotating ring, an alien construct in space 186 million miles (299 million kilometres) in diameter. Ni...

slim thorn
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believe it or not I was aware of that and figured it doubled as a bonus joke

hushed onyx
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I was 50/50 on whether you were or weren't aware of it and had to ask rdsnrk

slim thorn
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in all fairness I know nothing else about the book

robust latch
minor gorge
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I should read it sometime.

quiet swift
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Him pointing a spotlight at this game killed it faster than if it had been shadowdropped

robust latch
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Equestria is on a RingWorld

mossy flume
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Pretty much all of the criticism of Highguard I’ve seen can be boiled down to “wow this isn’t Overwatch and it sucks because this game called Highguard isn’t Overwatch”

And this… tells me nothing about why it’s a bad game?

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I don’t doubt that it’s bad, but nobody’s explaining it well at all

slim thorn
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it's also the only opinion I've heard on the game but I didn't even know the game existed and don't really care so that's as far as my research will go

mossy flume
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Guess I could just try it since it’s free

quiet swift
bitter stream
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yeah! by all means, try it or watch it on twitch etc

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I'm waiting for some friends to finish work before i try a proper match

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but the tutorial was ok

quiet swift
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I'm guessing it doesn't deserve the massive downvotes, but it also didnt deserve the unjustified attention that Geoff shined on it

slim thorn
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probably

bitter stream
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I mean, it's paid for advertising, i don't know if "deserve" ever comes into it right?

quiet swift
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Reina: it's actually not in this case

mossy flume
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That’s the thing that makes me suspicious of the hate. It seems like it’s more of a “lol fuck Geoff” meme than a criticism of the game itself on its own merits.

slim thorn
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it's certainly relevant to the average player reaction

quiet swift
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The original last slot was going to someone else who pulled out. Geoff liked the game so much he offered that slot to them

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Free of cost

bitter stream
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reallllly?

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whoa

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that's weird

quiet swift
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He's pretty much the decision maker for a lot of such stuff. But yeah, they didn't pay for it, but they are now rdwut

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Last slot should've been the star wars game or Divinity

mossy flume
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I don’t get why people hate Geoff so much

slim thorn
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atm it seems like the game itself is probably just unremarkable, at worst boring, but that particular kind of hype makes people expect, well, better than that, so there's gonna be some hype backlash

mossy flume
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Yeah, from what little I’ve seen it just seems like a 6/10 sort of thing

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“Meh”

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Not “lol this is the worst game to come out in years” bad

quiet swift
slim thorn
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honestly I have no idea who Geoff is

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I unplugged from hype culture so thoroughly that I don't know any of the names of the people who tell you what games you're supposed to like before you play them

mossy flume
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Host and creator of The Game Awards

quiet swift
slim thorn
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oh

random steppe
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The highguard situation is completely a problem of setting the expectations wrong in front of the audience

quiet swift
random steppe
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The way he presented it, telling the audience that this was from some of the devs from titan fall 2,that went and built their own studio in order to reinvent the multi-player shooter genere, were exacly the wrong expectation to set before presenting a pretty formulaic team hero shooter, that is the whole problem

slim thorn
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you're setting yourself up for an L + ratio whenever you don't know the deep lore of the meme

quiet swift
slim thorn
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So a major theme of the film is that money doesn't buy happiness, even for a stupidly rich person like Citizen Kane became later in life. That particular scene is from a subplot where he gets a trophy wife, builds an opera house for her, and puts on an opera with her in the lead role, and... she's not actually any good at it. But he does a standing ovation, and because he's such a rich important person, everyone else seeing his clapping feels the need to join him despite obviously not agreeing with him.

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if all you wanted was a "some guy clapping" gif, that is a very strange choice rdsnrk

random steppe
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I actually like Geoff but that was a critical fumble he did

mossy flume
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I did find his introduction of it to be off-kilter at the time

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But didn’t really think much of it

fresh bane
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lol the streamer I'm watching play Highguard went to Deadlock and the difference in character designs and aesthetics is absolutely astounding, that said I should totally get back to Deadlock the game seems vastly improved, back in like 2024 it really was like a super early access alpha sort of deal
I do think Highguard suffered the most because of Geoff after seeing some matches of the game, him hyping it up and it being the last thing definitely probably gave people the completely wrong impression and hyped it up too much, if it just appeared as one of the many games that were shown off people would've probably shrugged it off and mostly just go ''oh ok'' at it, because the game seems fine it's just not really that interesting or particularly fun or unique, it's trying too many things and not really succeeding that well at them so you just kinda feel like playing another game, like Apex ppenk I imagine the intense negativity will wane off as time goes on but still not probably gonna make people think it's a good game

astral steeple
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Ayo??????

mossy flume
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I also like what Geoff does in general.

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Which is why I was surprised to learn during this most recent TGA that so many people have a violent, raging hatred for him and TGA.

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And it seemed to just be… because he ran an awards show?

random steppe
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I feel like there are some well deserved criticism for the way TGA assign its awards, but it's hard to tell if Geoff is the person to present those criticism towards

mossy flume
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Awards show which pointedly celebrates devs and their achievements.
While so many people assert that it does the opposite????

fresh bane
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I also don't really understand where the hate for Geoff comes from though I only ocassionaly encounter it

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it really seems to be because he's just too enthusiastic sometimes and maybe a bit cringe and I guess that's enough to make people want to see him fail

random steppe
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From what I understand, their process is not very serious

mossy flume
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And asking for clarification means that you’re “defending it”

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Well of course

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It’s video games

fresh bane
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Other than that I'm not aware of any problematic events in his career or any weird things he's done or anything like that to make people hate him

slim thorn
#

all of this is new information to me

mossy flume
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It was kinda implied to me that the whole thing was conceptually morally problematic, but also everyone involved readily admitted that they’ve never watched it and also nobody was willing to explain why it was problematic rdwut

slim thorn
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honestly I suspect this is overvaluing a particular bubble of discourse that doesn't reflect majority opinions

random steppe
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They very much want to be the Oscars of videogames, and with that ambition do come certain expectations that I feel the TGA in its current iteration is arriving short of.

mossy flume
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Maybe? Could be Bluesky-weighted

slim thorn
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that could be it

mossy flume
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I’ve seen this in several spaces

slim thorn
#

Twitter discourse certainly tended towards the most extreme nonsense opinion appearing to have more weight than it really did

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and Bluesky probably has the same fundamental problem even if it avoids all the incidental compounding problems unique to Twitter

mossy flume
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I guess more like Bluesky-derived Discord servers like how Manechat is reddit-derived

slim thorn
#

tbf I also feel like you (MA) specifically are constantly telling me about people having hot takes and then refusing to explain those hot takes and branding you the villain for even requesting an explanation

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which is not a problem I get anywhere I currently hang out, or hear frequently from anyone else

random steppe
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Some criticism are well founded, not all of them, and not any personal of Geoff as far as I can see

slim thorn
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probably in part because I would not stay in such a place for very long

mossy flume
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Indeed. Kinda why I’m back here, because I left those spaces.

slim thorn
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reasonable

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so, tangent

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I've never thought of manechat as "reddit derived"

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do we retain any telltale signs of that which I'd miss because I've never spent any significant time on reddit myself and showed up here pretty late

rancid herald
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(Ixrec hasn't yet realized that unicorns are snoos)

slim thorn
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...what is a snoo izzynothoughtsheadempty

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did you mean snob?

random steppe
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I do feel like, if we are culturally close to anything, it would be Wikipedia or Tumblr, despite never having been on Tumblr

rancid herald
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snoo is the name of the reddit mascot

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it used to be that subreddits would make their 'own' version of it themed appropriately

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however the joke is now ruined

random steppe
slim thorn
mossy flume
mossy flume
cunning galleon
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qiqiventures

robust latch
light gate
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The dlc is good.

worthy rose
mossy flume
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F

fresh bane
#

I'm sure that reply section is just full of very informative and level headed nuanced discussions and replies

cerulean herald
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but at least hes getting dat twitter engagement

fresh bane
#

Speaking of that it's ridiculous the amount of scrolling I have to do to find any real non blue checkmark replies on any tweet that kinda blows up

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but that said I dunno that game is just kinda alright there's not much reason to play it over any other shooter like it that's already popular right now, I guess I hope maybe through updates they can maybe solidify what ideas they got I mean I just saw someone play Deadlock after like 2 years of not touching that game and it looks way different and more polished now so who knows

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but then again Deadlock is still not even published because they're actively working on it...

rancid herald
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izzyscrunch I go to see the steam page and it won't let me play because I don't have secure boot

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or TPM 2.0

fresh bane
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Oh yeah you need that and TPM 2.0 or whatever that thing is called

rancid herald
#

mfw I have to have the second verison of The Phantom Menace (in this version Darth Maul is Darth Mall and the fight takes place in a shopping center)

cerulean herald
fresh bane
mossy flume
fresh bane
#

assuming people would ever admit they're wrong, take in new information and change their mind is the biggest mental illness of them all

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also in other more gaming related news, my controller just died on me? starlightohcomeon and I barely ever used it at all

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it was already giving me some connection issues the other time when I was playing RE1 it just kept disconnecting and I had to stay still to get it to not disconnect, so I'm guessing it's the cable and not the controller itself
and it was a nice cable too....

fresh bane
#

so I guess I'll have to find a replacement cable for this thing now, if there even are any, I remember it was like a proprietary one or something so it's probably gonna be tough ajugh

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Oh apparently this is a common issue

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the cable isn't proprietary but the ports are designed in such a way that the usb c port is super deep in this crevice so most regular ones just won't fit, only the ones that come with the controller abflat

gaunt marten
#

I like modern controllers just using normal USB-C and bluetooth

fresh bane
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It is USB C it's just they put the port in so deep into a hole most cables just won't fit (it's the Gamesir G7 SE btw, apparently faulty cables that disconnect at the slightest movement is a common problem?)

mossy flume
#

Huh. Walmart seems to have leaked some of Nintendo’s upcoming NSO games by updating their Nintendo graphics on their website

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And given that they’re likely doing a Direct in a week or two, it seems likely to be accurate

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Metroid Prime 2

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Guess that kills any hope for a remaster

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Unsurprising since MPR was expensive to make and barely managed to break even

river veldt
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interesting Pick Men 2 is on there when they already sell it in a bundle with Pikmin 1

mossy flume
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Yeah, noticed that too

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Then again, there are two ways to play Super Mario 64 on the Switch. rdwut

gaunt marten
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Cap

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You have conjured memories of the most illegal comic

rancid herald
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I'm wondering if we're going to get zelda news in the coming direct

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there's apparently been rumors flying around about something new

fresh bane
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We at nintendo have been hard at work on the brand new zelda and we're excited to share with you all: BOTW 3

river veldt
#

finally

mossy flume
#

TotK came out in 2023

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If anything we might just get WW HD and/or Twilight Princess HD??

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I'd like to have those

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A new Zelda would be great to see too, but please don't be based on BotW

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I 100% expect Zelda news, either way

fresh bane
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Didn't WW technically come out on Switch already in NSO?

mossy flume
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It would be nice to get a new dark Zelda

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Yes, but apparently they won't close the door on porting WW HD to the Switch despite that

fresh bane
mossy flume
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NSO already has a handful of games on it that have another way to be legally played on Switch

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Same. I want a more OoT-style game

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Bring back dark Zelda and more traditional puzzle box dungeons

fresh bane
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I think ironically enough the game that went by completely under the radar the most is the one that did it right, Echoes balances the classic formula with the sandbox-y open world style really well and it even takes a lot of cues from BOTW's crazy different skills so you can try them out in weird ways

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I do think the whole skill gimmick is getting kind of old but I just don't trust Nintendo not to do it again and give Link another crazy arm or something, maybe swap out his leg this time

rancid herald
rancid herald
obsidian salmon
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ok i know bowser in smash ultimate has armor on lots of things but i didn't think I could just fucking tank the entirety of pit's side-b (full hitlag and damage and everything) only for my fsmash that i initiated to then continue and kill him for a three stock

i was at 212% tough guy wasn't even close to in play-

i'll post video tomorrow if i remember but now i eep

rotund forge
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Super Luigi's Mansion and Star Link in Time

proud warren
quiet swift
green fulcrum
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I thought someone was gonna kill him from above, lol

gaunt marten
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Yeah, he says "Gamers don't look up" and he proceeds never to look up

quiet swift
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Because he's on a higher point than anyone else rdsnrk I think he somehow got up there by accident

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he is the danger rdwut

green fulcrum
mossy flume
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Treehugger: “Is that a challenge?”

hidden elbow
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Finished classic prince of persia , it's incredible how one game was this influencing to an entire genre , creating few sub genres in the process , like parkour and cinematic platformers.....i didn't like it that much but it was a nice historical artifact

frozen gate
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xuz hes high up and guarding that doorway that's what ur supposed to do

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no wonder hes winning

fresh bane
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