Sonic Labyrinth on Game Gear
#general gaming
heady bridge
rotund forge
Nope, never heard of it. Keep trying 
Hint: It was released in th 21st century, ie 2000 to now
heady bridge
Hint: It was released in th 21st century, ie 2000 to now
Sonic X for the Leapfrog Leapster?
rotund forge
No, but I wanted to play Sonic X when my brother found an old busted up copy we never got working
Let's see.....
This will narrow it down quite a bit: It was on a handheld console or device
heady bridge
So it could be for the Leapfrog Leapster đ
rotund forge
So it could be for the Leapfrog Leapster đ
No...
heady bridge
Anyway⊠Sonic Colours on DS?
rotund forge
Closer, but still no 
rotund forge
Anyway⊠Sonic Colours on DS?
Closest guess yet, but still off by yards
heady bridge
Sonic Battle
heady bridge
Sonic Rush
rotund forge
Never heard of it. Keep going you got this
heady bridge
Sonic Advance
heady bridge
Sonic Generations on 3DS
heady bridge
Only memorable things about that game was the music for the Big Arms boss fight and it having a version of Sonic Heroesâ special stages you could control wellâŠ
rotund forge
Alright I just lied to myself and you: I have played one more game, and it was all the way through.
Feeling lucky lol?
rotund forge
Only memorable things about that game was the music for the Big Arms boss fight ...
Yeah I played the first world and couldn't beat metal sonic for the second emerald
The other game I played is on a home console
heady bridge
Sonic R
rotund forge
No.
Alright here: It was on a nintendo console
It was Sonic: Lost World on the Wii U @heady bridge
fresh bane
RE4 is like Skyrim, it must be ported to every single available platform and must be re-launched every couple of years
fresh bane
Considering Capcom has made RE4 and even DMC4 for mobile phones in the past I am not a little bit surprised they also went with RE4R for phones 
They're an executive, why wouldn't they say that?
"Development costs now are about 100 times more than they were during the Famicom era, but software prices haven't gone up to that extent," he explained. "There's also a need to raise wages in order to attract talent. Seeing as wages are rising in the industry as a whole, I think raising unit prices is a healthy business model," Tsujimoto concluded.
slim thorn
it's also a thing basically every expert's been saying about the industry for years, not just executives
of course the real problem is too many games are too damn big, and most of them don't benefit from sheer bigness
fresh bane
I heard that Phantom Liberty is actually really good from what I heard
definitely a much better first impression than 2077 was on launch
heady bridge
fresh bane
of course the real problem is too many games are too damn big, and most of them ...
I'd say the bigger problem is that most people aren't getting a raise in wage to be able to comfortably afford most game releases especially at launch which coincidentally seems to be the most important period of a game economically anyways
I at least appreciate the comment about raising the wages of developers as a consequence of increasing the prices of games, even if it isn't the president's main priority still
river veldt
https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1706539092849328450
hooray !!!! one of my favourite games ever
fresh bane
Games being too big also leads to the increasingly common problem of games releasing in buggy, glitchy, or in the worst cases literally unfinished states because they just didn't give the devs nearly enough time to actually finish the game
river veldt
Super Mario 64 is still the best 3d platformer ever i think, maybe Odyssey has a slight edge on it
arctic fern
That's... debatable
mossy flume
https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1706539092849328450
I remember when it was brand new
arctic fern
Same ma
river veldt
i would have been -6 when it came out
arctic fern
I would have been 3
gaunt marten
> "Development costs now are about 100 times more than they were during the Fami...
The problem here is they're not relating development costs to market size. The market is way, way bigger than a hundred times bigger nowadays
river veldt
man i should replay it
mossy flume
I was 4
quiet swift
river veldt
Mario controls so nicely it's satisfying to just move around
slim thorn
annoyingly I couldn't get the SM64 randomizer I tried to work, so A Hat in Time is fulfilling that niche
though I intend to play the other platformers that were in the same bundle as hat in time at some point
river veldt
it also has the best video game soundtrack ever
arctic fern
Also debatable
But it is a banger
mossy flume
I have a very strong nostalgic bias towards SM64 and I would say it aged rather well, but I wouldnât say it maintains âbestâ in any of its categories.
The soundtrack is indeed very good
river veldt
not a single bad song on the entire ost
river veldt
i mean, every 3d platformer ive played that wasn't a Mario one just never did anything for me
slim thorn
Ratchet & Clank and Sly Cooper were my childhood platformers
SM64 was a "retro game" by the time I played it
uneven epoch
i mean, every 3d platformer ive played that wasn't a Mario one just never did an...
you may be. you know. slightly biased
river veldt
i mean yeah of course i never said i wasn't lol
sour hill
This release has been fun to follow. Don't forget that Starbreeze also publicly blamed the networking issues on their cross play partner, Accelbyte đ”
Basically said that they were incompetent and that they'd drop them down the line
river veldt
i guess i haven't played too many 3d platformers excluding Mario. i tried Hat in Time and got bored, same with Spyro (sorry GT) and Crash
young creek
Knack?
river veldt
Banjo Kazooie is pretty great
slim thorn
I never did get around to trying Spyro, Crash or Banjo
sour hill
i mean, every 3d platformer ive played that wasn't a Mario one just never did an...
I'm trying to think of exceptions, but I might agree. I'm just not big on 3d platformers
young creek
well
sour hill
But who doesn't like Mario 64?
young creek
outside of Mario they dont really get made anymore
river veldt
Bubsy 3D is the greatest 3d platformer /s
gaunt marten
Yeah, pure platformers are not usually as fun as platformers with other mechanics too
slim thorn
"just" platformers do seem to be just Mario and then some indie games these days
it's always puzzle platformers or action platformers or precision platformers or metroidvanias which somehow got so cleanly separated "platformer" isn't even in their name
little badger
river veldt
does Doom Eternal count as a 3d platformer 
slim thorn
probably not
afaik Mirror's Edge is still the only notable first person 3d platformer
slim thorn
dunno that one
river veldt
you run and are a ghost i think probably
mossy flume
Point made.
sour hill
you run and are a ghost i think probably
Doubt it
gaunt marten
mossy flume
You can basically think of it as cyberpunk Neon White but also you're a ninja slicing people
white phoenix
the second one is coming out and it was on a bunch of game conferences
slim thorn
there are too many games to play now
river veldt
only a little over 2 weeks before the Arkham Trilogy comes to switch :D
slim thorn
at least there's one I did play
sour hill
there are too many games to play now
I've been saying this for years. We have to stop making games and let everyone catch up
I haven't even played Castlevania 2
gaunt marten
You should stop buying them then
river veldt
I've been saying this for years. We have to stop making games and let everyone c...
did yoy ever finish Doom Eternal
random steppe
As for 3d platformers I played Crash Bandicoot 3 the most and Spyro a bit
sour hill
You should stop buying them then
I haven't spent a dollar in 8 years, Flitter
sour hill
did yoy ever finish Doom Eternal
I am still on the final boss
random steppe
But the genre doesn't really interest me nowadays
river veldt
yeah Icon of Sin is a tricky bugger
sour hill
Yeh
river veldt
what phase are you on
gaunt marten
Then good
sour hill
what phase are you on
Break da armor shoot da guy
gaunt marten
That's fair but make sure it goes to games you want more of, not ones you want to see less of
sour hill
I have exchanged currency for goods and services
slim thorn
Hollow Knight is really good at making me think I'm good at this part and then immediately reducing me to one mask
wow mimics have a lot more health than I remember
feels good doing the Mantis Lords in one try after all this time
...the downside I just realized is that I still don't have the mantis claws, so now I have no choice but to go into Deepnest
gaunt marten
Mimics don't have a lot of health than you remember. You probably have a lot less damage than you remember
slim thorn
that too
I did get a pale ore but haven't made it to the nailsmith yet
let's try it
gaunt marten
Blue bile flasks are better than red ones
Especially if you have the red reliquary and a prayer-focused build
slim thorn
this room makes me think of Totoro
river veldt
omg tototoro
slim thorn
that is a very appropriate place to shuffle that
slim thorn
can't believe Tiso is a gatekeeper 
slim thorn
also, somehow capitalism took over the pale king's sealing spell and the dreamers are just in shops now
visual hill
this shows we need cross-platform game purchases, when it comes to PC/mobile
thorny loom
Ngl its super surprising see that
mossy flume
Now that the N64 and Super Mario 64 are 27 years old, hereâs a reminder (or a new update for those you might not know!) from a three year old video discussing a major reason why Super Mario 64 is as laggy as it is.
thorny loom
Of course ma
river veldt
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2395210/Tony_Hawks_Pro_Skater_1__2/
i have that on my Switch
i have t played much of it though
thorny loom
Every copy of it is personalized duh
mossy flume
It still blows my mind that they simply neglected to switch on compiler optimizations.
We still donât know why.
Aside from âthey likely just forgotâ
slim thorn
this is why automating the build process is important
thorny loom
They were probably wanting to rush it for holidays
mossy flume
But the PAL version does use O2 optimizations
thorny loom
It and crash bandicoot really set the foundation for 3d platformers
river veldt
They were probably wanting to rush it for holidays
it had already been delayed almost a year
mossy flume
They were probably wanting to rush it for holidays
That wouldnât matter, though.
chilly mural
i have that on my Switch
I played it on launch through epic games store, but fuck epic and their launcher
mossy flume
Itâs literally just adding the -o2 flag to the compilation command
cloud tree
Epic > Steam
I would say Epic = Steam, but Epic at least gives away some cool freebies sometimes
thorny loom
Thats about the only thing epic has going for it
cloud tree
All Steam did is popularize modern DRM
river veldt
Steam updated their ui recently it looks much nicer now
cloud tree
That's true
slim thorn
for me, Steam is what made PC gaming easy, often even easier than consoles
cloud tree
Somebody should force Steam to remove all DRM
slim thorn
sadly that kinda relies on it being a monopoly which isn't great, but it could be abusing that a lot more than it is
cloud tree
DRM is enough abuse in my book
slim thorn
I'm not aware of Steam actively pushing that tbh
they seem to just allow games with or without DRM and lots of games choose both
mossy flume
Yep
Valve has no real opinions on how games get submitted to Steam.
Personally I think they should ban the redundant launchers.
slim thorn
it's also the least obnoxious form of DRM I'm aware of
even Steam's own documentation says
The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.
cloud tree
GOG just allows you to download an EXE
mossy flume
even Steam's own documentation says
> The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an ...
Unfortunately, even this alone will sometimes ruin your day on a Steam Deck if you're on the go for long enough. Or forget to launch the games you plan to play ahead of time with an internet connection.
slim thorn
yep, which is why I'd be annoyed if this was required
mossy flume
Indeed. Pretty sure you can be totally DRM-free on Steam if you choose to?
slim thorn
(which it is if you use "steamworks features", but that seems actually inherent to those features so fair enough; much better than needing Denuvo to make cloud saves and leaderboards and microtransactions and so on viable)
yeah people have linked The List of drm-free steam games here several times
mossy flume
Cool cool
gaunt marten
Epic does not offer a DRM solution, but like Steam doesn't control what DRM developers bundle with their games
wintry canopy
A new Sunbreak event quest just dropped, and it's a hazard Amatsu.
visual hill
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F0avt5w32smqb1.png
Majora's Mask reference!!1
(for context, Valve has been teasing about "What are you doing next Wednesday?")
mossy flume
I guess itâs time to show off their next hardware update
Whatever that might be. Index 2 or some smaller thing, perhaps.
I could see an Index 2 happening before too long. Original Index is really good but a smidge long in the tooth.
Is CS2 not out yet?
I thought it was already
visual hill
it is out in Limited Test form only
most people who have prime status in CS:GO, a competitive rank and good VAC standing have CS2 access
mossy flume
Huh
sour hill
It still blows my mind that they simply neglected to switch on compiler optimiza...
Holy shit, if that had been my fault I would've just curled up into a ball forever
mossy flume
Itâs entirely possible that it was intentional. Nobody knows.
But if it was intentional, nobody can find a compelling reason why. 
slim thorn
that long ago, I'd buy all sorts of reasons, like they just hadn't worked with that compiler and optimization level enough to be comfortable shipping it until the PAL release tipped the scales by falling under some other highly valued performance metric
vibes-based software development is a lot more common than we'd like to admit
(and always will be because users will judge our software by vibes)
teal sonnet
Ok hear me the fuck out
Twitter
CS2 VR
Steam VR 2.0 beta just dropped, meta connect is tomorrow
Last time the valve index was announced hours before the oculus event
thorny loom
Yeah cs2 might be out tomorrow
thorny loom
If a strike does go through dont expect much game dev progress in regards to the âtriple aâ games industry
true maple
This is about the acting, not the development
gaunt marten
Yeah, but I don't imagine a lot of AAA videogames get developed without voice acting
true maple
It's not going to grind the industry to a halt though
thorny loom
Not like movies anyway yeah
gaunt marten
Sure. If a game already has the voice work done that game can release. If a game doesn't, they'll only need to hold as long as the strike lasts
drifting tendon
I feel like many devs can use placeholders and work around it. It might stop them from releasing a game, but otherwise they still need to do everything else for the game other than lip-syncing to a VA.
gaunt marten
I personally prefer games without voice acting most of the time
true maple
Honestly the rest of the video game industry workers should strike
fresh bane
This was brought up before when Bayonetta's VA did that absolutely horrible reputation ruining stunt but particularly programmers I believe were mentioned as some of the developers that get treated not so well in the industry
quiet swift
QA in particular are maligned
mossy flume
Honestly the rest of the video game industry workers should strike
They'll have to unionize first. The vast majority of the industry hasn't done so yet.
rose rose
Every boss of every company, really
Nobody wants a unionised workforce
My employer has a union now, but less than 1% of employees are members so I am not sure I understand the point.
(and a lot of the members aren't employees which further confuses the situation, but is also part of the point)
quiet swift
rose rose
(personally I am not opposed to a union but I am also not jumping out of my seat to pay the $4000/year union dues.)
quiet swift
Doesn't sound like the purpose of that union is to do much else than take money
rose rose
quiet swift
Oof, alphabet, that's an uphill battle
visual hill
Talos Principle is 90% off on Steam (âŹ2,89 for base game) until October 3: https://store.steampowered.com/app/257510/The_Talos_Principle/
lowest price ever, so now is a good time to check it out if you haven't played it already â its sequel comes out November 3. The original runs on very low-spec machines nowadays
sour hill
Pretty good game
visual hill
It still blows my mind that they simply neglected to switch on compiler optimiza...
bugs can disappear in a debug build, so maybe it was done to rush it out
gaunt marten
mossy flume
bugs can disappear in a debug build, so maybe it was done to rush it out
Indeed, but the confounding thing is that there have been no bug differences found between the unoptimized and the optimized versions.
It has been like five years now and there's still no good answer for why they might've done that intentionally. Thus it seems safe to assume it was an error.
rose rose
A lack of trust in optimisations?
Distrust in compiler optimisations was common
(Often for good reason. Often for less good reasons.)
visual hill
-O3 in particular was distrusted because it does poorly with sloppy, unsafe code
-O3 works great if your code follows best practices⊠but this wasn't the norm in the 90s, especially for plain C
gaunt marten
Games looks like more of the same. Very exciting since all the first game needed was more polish
Full release announcement https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/368620/view/3721718476521031292?l=english
Tentative date is a couple of years from now
quartz pawn
Yo dope! TS1 was very cool.
gaunt marten
Apparently this one's already been five years in development
dreamy raptor
A leak came out from someone within blizzard. Take it with a grain of salt.
Some stuff that is interesting:
-Overwatch is relaunching, again...
-WoW is going f2p w/ battlepass
-Diablo 4 is going to have a soft reboot with a new expansion
-Blizzard is going to be broken up by Microsoft. Distributing the IPs to the other game studios and reusing their real-estate.
mossy flume
CDPR updated the model for Johnny Silverhand in Cyberpunk 2077 in update 2.0
It looks much more like Keanu now
mossy flume
It just keeps going
thorny loom
And it was definitely classified this time. Had the âDOD or DOD contractorâ only classification
grave tide
https://nichegamer.com/war-thunder-user-leaks-restricted-military-documents-for-...
This leak was a while ago
quiet swift
A leak came out from someone within blizzard. Take it with a grain of salt.
Some...
D4 news is the only one that is realistic. The only "breaking" that they might do is separate Blizz from Activision, instead of being ActiBlizz
Rest is bullshit
dire gate
Meanwhile I heard that Chris Metzen is back in WoW team
quiet swift
He has been a consultant creative lead for a while, now he's doing it as a full time role
Only guaranteed news I know of atm is some layoffs, with a number of them centered on the Hearthstone team
green fulcrum
Rest is bullshit
Idk, the Overwatch one sounds like it could happen, at least.
The WoW stuff sounds like BS though, I agree
quiet swift
If they get the nod from Microsoft leadership to attempt their initial relaunch plan (with PVE and so on) there's a possibility but i'd say it's pretty low on that list
WOW and breakup ones are guaranteed đ©
Reads more like either a wishlist or someone's idea of "What news will make the biggest headlines..."
bleak lintel
Farming out any active game to new teams would pretty much delay any updates for around a year.
Now if they said they were farming StarCraft out to Microsoft's RTS team that'd be believable.
quiet swift
That, I'd put more stock in, agreed
Starcraft and HOTS since they are not 'active' titles per se
green fulcrum
<a:yaebounce_chickenjagoo:1079379261384818738> Farming out any active game to ne...
Side note: that is an adorable emoji
astral steeple
dire gate
gaunt marten
What the fuck, man https://i.imgur.com/lztgYRh.png
Who thinks this is a good pickup line?
teal cliff
terrorists, perhaps.
wind stump
Hear hear!
gaunt marten
Oh did you win as a beggar?
wind stump
Oh did you win as a beggar?
no i shanked the mayor
random steppe
after Zero Dawn hit PC we all knew it was coming eventually
This is much earlier than I expected at least
I expected they would do the usual trick of putting this on pc as they announce the next one
Like they did with GoW and Spiderman
quiet swift
They put the first one on pc before announcing forbidden west, I think
little badger
wind stump
T-DAWG 
I like how these two messages can be linked even though there's two different lines here.
teal cliff
I like how these two messages can be linked even though there's two different li...
What game is this?
wind stump
Crosscode
dire gate
Chakrams and bunnies, must be FFXIV reference
graceful bridge
Twitch drop for Cyberpunk: Phantom Liberty, but for one of them you have to buy two subs to participating Twitch channels.
gaunt marten
That's just a ten dollar DLC but also you have to do work
graceful bridge
Eh, putting Twitch on in the background with the tab muted isn't really work.
wind stump
that's like
ten dollars vs. thirty, but i get that time investment is a bit of a drag
quiet swift
Actually closer to 6$ right now, it's subtember so it's 25% off
wind stump
... do prime subs count
graceful bridge
... do prime subs count
I think they're supposed to.
Note that not everyone doing the regular Twitch drops qualifies for the Sniper Rifle sub drop
I almost made that mistake with one of my regulars, she's doing the general drops but not the sniper rifle sub drops
wind stump
That's... Dumb.
Guess only certain streamers get the sniper drop
Which is dumb.
Like I get the mentality at face value, certain streamers have more desirable metrics, or something
thorny loom
Some things like genshin give it to any streamer that streams it
wind stump
yeah but that's Genshin lol
graceful bridge
Oh, there's also a helm drop, but it's also locked to specific streamers it seems (thankfully the same one that does the sniper rifle)
graceful bridge
Huh. Heard Callisto Protocol had issues, but I'll take it as part of the sub. Farming Simulator could be fun. Weird West sounds interesting.
hidden cypress
The ps5 ver ran pretty well at launch the PC port was really bad tho
All in all it's a fun Lil game for what it is
graceful bridge
Ah
hidden cypress
I just wish the story was more dead space than resident evil
thorny loom
quartz pawn
The Meta Connect is happening in like 15 minutes.
wind stump
Oh, there's also a helm drop, but it's *also* locked to specific streamers it se...
they should have made the helm seperate just to fuck with people
astral steeple
mossy flume
I've also milked a cow. Can confirm it's weird.
fresh bane
For some reason, Emilie's voice sounds like CĂ©cile's from MGS Peace Walker in my head
gaunt marten
It's only weird because you weren't playing country music
wind stump
Honestly even without her combat capabilities I'd keep her around just for the banter
fresh bane
''Monsieuurr Mileeeeerrrrr 
''
''Bottle after bottle, nothing but GABAGE, absolute GABAGE 
''
wind stump
Oh yeah i forgot to talk about this NPC
purely because her name is a mistake, lmao
gaunt marten
Yeah that accent is overdone
wind stump
I feel underpowered
harsh kestrel
So, Sony's lineup for free games in general, despite not being able to argue with free, a game that had potential but ended up being another letdown AAA release with many issues, a now outdated simulator that comes out every year, and a game basically nobody has heard of. Good one, Sony. I know all months can't be winners, but still
fresh bane
Yeah that accent is overdone
Yeah the voice actress (which is the same VA as Padme in Clone Wars 
) doesn't do an amazing french accent but it gets the job done
I think it's cute
wind stump
I think it's cute
i like her too
fresh bane
french girls very cyoot 
Speaking of bad accents Korsica from Hi-Fi Rush and other characters who have accents in that game are absolutely horrible she's supposed to have a sexy scottish accent but it's... not great but I think it's charming
https://youtu.be/yUBCcy6NHTA?si=m-hUnwMZtvY1--nu
wind stump
I need to play Hi-Fi Rush
uneven epoch
but my backlog is already gigantic....
đȘ
wind stump
Hmmm, maybe it's because I haven't been investing in the defensive trees
25% more healing from items does sound great in a pinch
quartz pawn
My wallet hurts now.
hidden cypress
My wallet hurts now.
But how, you got free shipping 
quartz pawn
slim thorn
@fresh bane what's going on with "dichos" here?
oĂd
Affirmative imperative vosotros conjugation of oĂr.
wow I really jumped into the deep end
there is too much going on in that d
I'm sorry "huesos" (bones) sounds too much like "huevos" (eggs) I know it's dumb
fresh bane
it means 'said skies/heavens'
in relation to whatever he was mentioning beforehand
''But should your penitence bring you under said skies,''
slim thorn
yahari
I thought it might be that kind of "said" but the dictionary I was using didn't have that usage
fresh bane
slim thorn
well I've definitely learned the -d form now, every quest giver uses it
slim thorn
I feel like I'm missing a joke because I know all those words
visual hill
Yeah the voice actress (which is the same VA as Padme in Clone Wars <:sweetiedum...
French accents in English usually get me to switch to a French language, I find it more annoying than endearing (unless it's clearly done for parody purposes, like in Deus Ex)
I did that in Plague Tale Innocence, where a lot of characters have that accent (which makes sense for story reasons)
the French dub in that game is pretty good anyway. The game is made by a French studio, so it better be đ
fresh bane
slim thorn
omg I just understood a whole sentence without looking anything up
fresh bane
well I guess I understand if I were to hear a spanish-sounding accent on an english dub
slim thorn
đ LEVEL UP đ
fresh bane
:sunsetclap:
light gate
đ LEVEL UP đ
Upgrade your skill tree
sour hill
Oh fuck, Ixrec's trying to learn Spanish too
river veldt
kratta say "my little pony" in spanish
slim thorn
it was also satisfying to see "Me clamado" and go "...is that llamado but old timey? is that the sort of thing Nire was talking about?" and the dictionary confirmed it
sour hill
kratta say "my little pony" in spanish
Mi pequeño poni
...I think
slim thorn
"poni" always looks funny
sour hill
Lol I love it
wind stump
poni island
river veldt
wait is pony in spanish really poni
sour hill
wait is pony in spanish really poni
Yes, pronounced exactly how it looks
sour hill
True
river veldt
well did Spanish or English come first
light gate
Yes
river veldt
ah
light gate
Mi pequeño poni, mi pequeño poni⊠aaaAAAAAHH-
river veldt
tower of babel moment
sour hill
Does Scots have wacky spelling like Gaelic does?
river veldt
Scot moment
i like powny
that's cute
so the lesson today is that pony is cute in any language
slim thorn
Japan decided "ko'uma" wasn't cute enough and they had to borrow "ponii" despite already having a word for it
river veldt
lol
slim thorn
they couldn't stand to fall behind in cuteness
mossy flume
Also where the hell is the CS2 launch?
sour hill
Google translate says that pony in Mandarin is xiÇo mÇ, which is pretty neutral on the cuteness scale
slim thorn
makes sense, that's just little + horse, like ko + uma
light gate
https://x.com/CounterStrike/status/1707133016345338334?s=20
Thanks, I hate X.
little badger
river veldt
so does CSGO not exist anymore
sour hill
Dead game!
little badger
This replaces the old one I think
Yup
river veldt
that's kinda lame
mossy flume
Ah, but it looks like they haven't actually updated the Steam binary yet
Right now it's just a stub
little badger
Do you play it often midnight.
little badger
light gate
I like CS but not for competitive.
river veldt
half life was in the launch trailer yippee
mossy flume
I like shooters, but CS is like... a somewhat arcadey shooter
Too twitchy, not the sort of feel I enjoy
river veldt
oh that sounds like my type of thing
mossy flume
it is
river veldt
i just don't really like voice chat it kinda terrifies me
mossy flume
I prefer more realistic ones or ones like Halo. CS fills the void that I dislike.
Basically if it lacks inertia, I don't like it
wind stump
more "twitch" shooter than arcade
mossy flume
Yeah fair
sour hill
CS is extremely twitchy but it's also extremely team based / tactical
mossy flume
I guess Halo is more of the arcade style, sorta, kinda
wind stump
sorry i'mn being a pedantic nerd lmao
mossy flume
Floaty is the common term for Halo
river veldt
idk the only online shooter ive invested my time into is TF2 and idk where that falls but that's my kinda shooter
sour hill
idk the only online shooter ive invested my time into is TF2 and idk where that ...
Casual class based?
little badger
I loved Mass Effect 3's multiplayer
drifting tendon
so does CSGO not exist anymore
There was apparently some kind of tournament game that was going on when the servers died between rounds 
river veldt
Casual class based?
yeah probably, i played Overwatch for a month when it released on Switch
sour hill
Overwatch is sweatier
mossy flume
I played OW for a bit with some Manechat peeps, but yeah, it's far too annoying for me
sour hill
CS is even more serious than overwatch, but it's also way more simple
river veldt
well maybe not wasted
astral steeple
ive been playing fort like every day since july of 2019 ngl lol
slim thorn
Casual class based?
first-person MOBA? /flees
river veldt
i love TF2 i haven't spent a single penny on it
astral steeple
i got like 9000 hours on fort at the moment
river veldt
holy hell
astral steeple
yeah lol
sour hill
first-person MOBA? /flees
Hell no lol
mossy flume
i got like 9000 hours on fort at the moment
375 days
astral steeple
382 days of non-stop playing
quiet swift
first-person MOBA? /flees
Isn't that Smite?
astral steeple
9168 hours
plus 10 hours and 52 minutes
light gate
CS2 seems to be a bit of a trainwreck.
sour hill
How would you rate fortnight as a game on a scale from 1 to 10?
hidden cypress
battlepass
astral steeple
about a 9 ngl
light gate
CS2 seems to be a bit of a trainwreck.
Missing binaries, people reporting no audio on the linux version. (Blame pulseaudio, probably)
astral steeple
mainly the zero build mode that is
havent touched builds since zero build was introduced
sour hill
CS2 seems to be a bit of a trainwreck.
Well then it's already doing better than csgo was at launch
river veldt
How would you rate fortnight as a game on a scale from 1 to 10?
prob a 6 or 7? i had lots of fun with it but it also felt like a chore at points
astral steeple
my main annoyance with the game is that even the zero build mode is way too sweaty now lol
i might get a win occasionally if i somehow get lucky
other than that i always get down to the last guy and then get instant killed
quiet swift
slim thorn
"just be turbo illegal you chickens" 
river veldt
what is with Warthunder fans
fresh bane
''If you guys just made my favourite vehicle good I wouldn't be leaking classified information! This is your fault! 
''
robust spear
"Just make the game like the classified documents say without knowing what they say!"
river veldt
light gate
War Thunder should just close their forums.
Like for a month
Or donât give XP for an entire month
thorny loom
Waiting for the day the f35 manual is leaked
river veldt
is Warthunder a fun game
thorny loom
And then the government loses its shit
light gate
donât jinx it
river veldt
what is a f35
robust spear
is Warthunder a fun game
Yes but it has systems in it to urge you to pay money to speed leveling everything up.
river veldt
is that the planes in Top Gun Maverick
light gate
what is a f35
A class of plane thatâs stealth class.
thorny loom
Its also our current class of fighter jet we use
white phoenix
top gun 2 only had f/a-18 jets because the government would not let them use f-35s or f-22s
robust spear
We should of had a Vic Viper fighter by now. I am disappointed in this future.
drifting tendon
is that the planes in Top Gun Maverick
It there for maybe 10-15 seconds in the intro.
light gate
Also the F-35 can launch vertically I believe.
river veldt
top gun 2 only had f/a-18 jets because the government would not let them use f-3...
why
drifting tendon
One of the three variants can
white phoenix
because literally too new and classified
thorny loom
^
river veldt
lame
white phoenix
they spent a few billion dollars on those things, they're not letting people see it lol
light gate
Theyâre currently the best they have.
river veldt
i think Tom Cruise (the king of movies) should be able to do whatever he wants
light gate
Although that will change one day.
drifting tendon
The other part is that the F-35s were barely in service when Maverick started filming in 2019.
river veldt
oooh
fresh bane
also probably would've cost a fuckton to even have such a new and classified piece of equipment considering the jets in the movie cost like, tens of thousands of dollars for every hour they were used
drifting tendon
Like maybe a few months prior, so there's like no service history or heritage for the planes
fresh bane
I don't know anything about Top Maverick other than the fact that Tom Cruise met real life horse girls
light gate
what
thorny loom
Horses
thorny loom
Maverick hunter X
fresh bane
jokes aside the context is that Top Gun Maverick had a crossover with Uma Musume during a promotional thing for the movie
and that's Tom Cruise with the seiyuus for the horse girls
white phoenix
they did a crossover with basically all plane related video games too
ace combat, flight sim, dcs...
quiet swift
Was it all spent by XQC?
fresh bane
Gambling addiction is one hell of a drug
visual hill
we don't say "skin", we say "proto-NFT"
astral steeple
lol
fresh bane
The only sin CSGO and TF2 commited is introducing crates, skins and hats into the gaming landscape
Why Gaben, whyyyyyyy
sour hill
Because that shit works, lol
visual hill
that model was already there in Asia, but they ported it to the occidental market
fresh bane
I think the only skin I had in CSGO was, coincidentally and luckily, a skin for my favourite weapon in the game and I never felt the need to ever get more
So I got off lucky...
sour hill
that model was already there in Asia, but they ported it to the occidental marke...
Clever girl...
astral steeple
crates are a problem in games sure, but just regular character skins/weapon wraps/etc are fine
sour hill
I kinda agree actually
astral steeple
only if the game itself is free though
visual hill
I always sell my drops in CS:GO, it's how I make Steam wallet bank
astral steeple
microtransactions do not make sense in a paid game
theyre fine in a free game though
just as long as they arent pay to win, and are cosmetic only
visual hill
I've bought many games without needing to tap into my bank account thanks to this
CS:GO is literally play-to-earn, like those NFT games promised to be
sure, you don't earn much, but you earn something
sour hill
Think about how much more you could earn if you unboxed some knives tho...
đ€đ°đ°đ°đ
fresh bane
think about all the money you wouldn't spend if you didn't purchase anything, the savings! /s
astral steeple
the only games i spend money on is Fort and Fall Guys ngl
little badger
https://twitter.com/rinothebouncer/status/1707151562483580960? @graceful bridge @mossy flume
visual hill
think about all the money you wouldn't spend if you didn't purchase anything, th...
pretty much, the odds are against you
mossy flume
Huh, kinda unexpected
white phoenix
yeah, kinda big news
sour hill
pretty much, the odds are against you
Sounds like something that an unlucky person would say!
visual hill
I've never bought a crate/item in CS:GO other than a battle pass
(at least a battle pass isn't risky, and you can sell the drops you earn from spending stars)
fresh bane
it's like we always say, 16th time's the charm! 
visual hill
if you buy the right things with stars, it is possible to make more money than the battlepass cost you đ And you get to keep the operation coin
(though it's not guaranteed)
astral steeple
ive played CS source
never cs go tho
sour hill
it's like we always say, 16th time's the charm! <:twilight:399725087592284160>
*Nth times the charm
astral steeple
never really got into TF2 either
slim thorn
lol, I've been putting off the "easy" area of the Blasphemous map for this whole session, and it turns out that's where my Hollow Knight wall jump and floor-breaking spell were 
that opens up like half of the HK map now
quiet swift
Adjusting upwards, I think? 7.99 to 8.99?
astral steeple
yeah
its worse with the larger vbucks packs
going from 84 dollars to 94 dollars
cause the tax and stuff
for the 13,500 pack
37 dollars instead of 33 dollars for the 5000 pack
visual hill
new audio settings in CS2
little badger
Huh, kinda unexpected
slim thorn
I just got this heart, and since I don't have any other hearts that are really usable atm, I decided to equip it
bronze abyss
@visual hill wanna hop on cs2 rn i dont hvea anyone to queue with rn 
and full random queue sounds like a horrible idea
visual hill
Linux version has a bug where it has no audio at all, but a launch option can be used to fix it. I'm playing a deathmatch game right now
fresh bane
I think RE4 had some pretty cool visual setting options too
visual hill
<@235818781618864140> wanna hop on cs2 rn i dont hvea anyone to queue with rn <:...
sure, once I finish this DM in 5 mins
bronze abyss
im gonna finish some photoshp shit in that time
drifting tendon
its worse with the larger vbucks packs
12.5% increase for 1,000 and 13,500, and 15% increase for 2,800 and 5,000. The relative price increase for the highest and lowest tiers are effectively the same, but the middle tiers were increased slightly more.
gaunt marten
I just got this heart, and since I don't have any other hearts that are really u...
This game is good about letting you know which attacks you can parry by feel. Light attacks can almost always be parried. Heavy ones sometimes knock you back (so no ripostes) and projectiles usually can't be parried.
A lot of attacks from many enemies can be parried and riposted. This game is good about it
slim thorn
I've been doing more parrying and basic ranged attacks this time around and yeah it's pretty solid
just haven't gotten to ripostes yet
gaunt marten
Regular ripostes are automatic
slim thorn
most of the enemies in this area die to one regular counterattack
gaunt marten
Just don't move
Righteous ripostes require you to hit at the correct time during the riposte
slim thorn
right, I meant haven't gotten to righteous ripostes
I'm used to just calling the regular kind a counterattack
gaunt marten
Me neither
slim thorn
even the Spanish tutorial calls it a "contraataque"
gaunt marten
I just stick to regular ones, but if I play the game next I'll try to get some practice in
sour hill
even the Spanish tutorial calls it a "contraataque"
Huh.
slim thorn
next time I'll definitely start with dash, combat is just so much more fun when that option is around, especially when unparryable stuff is involved
what I'm less sure about is random start and enemy rando
river veldt
Contra is awesome
visual hill
the eyes are finally here! Finally, CS is a match for TF2 and L4D2
slim thorn
the combination of them was weird, in a way that's entertaining since this is just solo rando and no one cares if I need multiple hours merely to escape the starting area with <5 checks
enemy rando does buff/debuff the enemies it shuffles for balance, but on the assumption you proceed the normal way, i.e. not random start, so it can simply do "earlygame enemy in lategame area -> buff" and so on
so I feel like I should only do one or the other
but I like both 
gaunt marten
I wonder how easy it is to edit the randomizer so it accounts for both settings (make it harder as you move away from the starting point instead of vanilla difficulty scaling)
slim thorn
I suspect deciding what good logic would be is harder than editing the code
the order one goes through the areas in a random start depends on a bunch of other stuff about the generated logic
e.g. because I shuffled dash, I simply cannot do graveyard of the peaks or most of jondo
gaunt marten
Or you could just do them anyway
There's no place that actually requires dash as far as I know
slim thorn
are we talking about glitches?
gaunt marten
No but I did forget that without dashing you couldn't slide through narrow gaps
visual hill
im gonna finish some photoshp shit in that time
you around?
gaunt marten
Either way, the goal of this change would be to provide a measure of leeway difficulty-wise, rather than make things as easy as possible
bronze abyss
you around?
ye im in
fresh bane
the eyes are finally here! Finally, CS is a match for TF2 and L4D2
I can imagine the fleshy blinking noise in my head everytime the character blinks
bronze abyss
just cahnging some settings but you can inv me
slim thorn
I wonder how well a simple "adjacent areas are +1 difficulty" heuristic would work in practice
gaunt marten
Ideally, you would want an easy path to Albero, and a path to at least one of the sanguine fountains
bronze abyss
ill have to restart discord it seems
visual hill
I see that too
gaunt marten
To minimize struggling with insane enemies and no healing
bronze abyss
huh lets try a different vc
slim thorn
yep, which is likely guaranteed if you can get leftside at all
bronze abyss
nvm all of them are same
gaunt marten
I wonder how well a simple "adjacent areas are +1 difficulty" heuristic would wo...
Sounds like a fun graph theory problem. If only it wasn't past midnight
sour hill
discord's busted rn
bronze abyss
maybe dm call then
slim thorn
I started on rooftops and had to fight my way down to the church, but then simply going left and out the big door worked fine
apparently Esdras won't spawn there until I get the three wounds, it's just a one-way door if I come from the right
gaunt marten
Esdras is genuinely the hardest boss in the game
bronze abyss
ima give one more try and reset my router
river veldt
discord's busted rn
isn't it always
gaunt marten
I have no idea how to handle the bell-hammer soldiers like Esdras. They just block most of my attacks
visual hill
yeah I still can't have working VC đŠ
bronze abyss
shit compressed valve vc it is then ig
slim thorn
they also don't stagger
gaunt marten
They do stagger when they don't block
slim thorn
my usual move is to rely on them being briefly vulnerable whenever they do the swing in multiple circles attack
sorry they don't stagger easily
I mean you can't force it by using powerful attacks or prayers
sour hill
isn't it always
Discord is the most flawless software ever created
gaunt marten
The romance of the crimson mist prayer is my preferred way of staggering them
But it deals very little damage
slim thorn
I've been using crimson mist a lot, but mostly because rando keeps giving me that when I have no other good prayers
gaunt marten
It pairs very well with parry invulnerability
slim thorn
but I also keep lucking into situations where it deals a lot more damage than my sword
bronze abyss
@visual hill is it possible to choose which reigon servers to play on?>
fresh bane
Well that's unnecessarily excluded from the options
To be fair I think TF2 doesn't have any region changing stuff either now that I think about it
https://youtu.be/Nut7I7gdE7A?si=XZ2KD4E3C5zK5rEu
speaking of tf2
gaunt marten
Tony Hawk is so long lived at his sport that he basically outlived the videogame series about his legacy
slim thorn
sweet, the yarn I found in Blasphemous was exactly the kind I needed to do the next Hat in Time level
fresh bane
Playing Bomb Rush recently really took me back to my tony hawk underground 2, project 8, downhill jam, and american wasteland days 
I was so obsessed with tony hawk as a kid man
little badger
sweet, the yarn I found in Blasphemous was exactly the kind I needed to do the n...
How long is that game?
slim thorn
uh
gaunt marten
6 hours
slim thorn
well my steam play counters are useless now that I've played them more than once
river veldt
He made helmets and knee pads look cool to me as a kid <:rdwut:39972507420406580...
helmets and knee pads are cool đ
slim thorn
6 hours sounds short to me even for AHiT
though I did do a lot of the DLC
I want to say it has ~15 hours of content at this point
little badger
Nice.
gaunt marten
Six hours is the archipelago run estimate
slim thorn
ah, yeah rando runs are very different from a first vanilla
gaunt marten
So it assumes you're going through most of the game, you know how to play, and your goal is just the end screen
slim thorn
since the final act is hard-gated on three of the hats, you probably need to get a large portion of the yarn at least
gaunt marten
In multiplayer it takes a lot longer because of the back and forth overhead
The final act has an out of bound skip that's relatively easy to do!
In the big long lava hallway, you dash towards the left wall and clip out
From there you carefully climb up and run over the level
(it might be fixed in the current version? I haven't played in a while)
slim thorn
howlongtobeat says 9.5 to 18 hours, that makes sense
fresh bane
that same site says it takes around 28 for blasphemous' 100% 
that sounds about right, I do have around 28 hours
honestly more content than I expected there
gaunt marten
You didn't fight the four Amanecidas
astral steeple
Twitter
mossy flume
Pffft, does he actually play any video games? It doesn't seem like the sort of thing he would do.
fickle garnet
Ew elon musk
mossy flume
Also any Elon stuff should go into #1142142965247119410
fickle garnet
Neat
thorny loom
mossy flume
What.
thorny loom
They lost the license to FIFA about a year or so ago
though lets be honest. Not much was lost
hasty patio
EA is pulling all the FIFA games because they own the game, but not the FIFA name, which FIFA is using for their game.
thorny loom
^
fickle garnet
Nothing of value was lost
hasty patio
It's basically a fuck you, but EA is probably the better dev on that front. Football Club (or FC) will be the series going foward.
robust steppe
Jim Ryan retired đ
harsh kestrel
Now if only someone could take the NFL license for the games
little badger
rare garden
Having an anurysm while trying to find the BOS bunker in fallout new vegas
little badger
wind stump
Average Cyberpunk 2077 bug
... CD Projekt are really not doing themselves favours, I get that it's a big game and they're trying but
This really does not look good, lmao
static bluff
That's certainly a choice
dire gate
The concept of "fuck you choice" sounds very cool and tempting on paper, but I personally think it is the kind of a thing which should only be an idea and never actually work like that
At least there should be a bail-out option
wind stump
... THAT'S EVEN WORSE?
I get the idea
The choices have consequences, but there's a fucking limit
Hell, why not make a choice that permakills your character?
static bluff
Dragon Quest did it first
wind stump
Start from 0, fuck you
proud warren
the ultimate "...well shit" feeling
quiet swift
I saw a video of someone driving around and running someone over. Turns out that npc was someone you needed to protect and shuts you out of phantom liberty completely
proud warren
random steppe
Wait is this a problem?
If you go up to the main mission of the expansion and say Well, I'm out, good luck you fuckers" would it be better if the game forces you to do it anyway?
gaunt marten
No, but instead of responding "Fuck you and the car you rode here on." They should say "You know that's pretty rude but you're welcome to offer help later if you change your mind."
random steppe
Depends on the context
gaunt marten
Even if it sounds a bit less realistic as an option it makes sense to offer it since it provides players with agency
random steppe
In RPGs you can lock you out of quests by making certain choices, I don't think it's a bad thing.
quiet swift
You're basically a merc in the game, there's pleny of others that can fill your place
So these folk aren't likely setting wise to come back crawling to you, you're not that high up a totem pole
random steppe
It's really a non issue IMO
gaunt marten
Right. The issue happens when you select that option by accident
static bluff
That's where I land on it as well. This sort of thing needs forgivability.
random steppe
I mean, with how often the game autosaves, I'm pretty sure it's easly fixed
gaunt marten
Autosaves won't help you if you only realize you've been locked out hours later
So a warning screen that goes "Hey pal, if you pick this option you can't play the DLC." Might help
random steppe
IDK the game seems pretty obvious about those things, assuming it counts as a failed mission it'd be announced on screen
Also yeah, the article says that characters phone you to tell you that you let them out to dry
Seems hard to miss
Also I'm pretty sure it's not strictly true you can't play the DLC
little badger
I mean, with how often the game autosaves, I'm pretty sure it's easly fixed
I havenât played the game in a while but you can make manual saves right?
random steppe
Classic RPG thing, quicksaves and hard saves, plus a generous amount of autosaving happening
random steppe
Also I'm pretty sure it's not strictly true you can't play the DLC
I think this happens when you already got access to the new zone, you can't progress the main story but the zone and all the stuff in it, and I assume the secondary missions are still accessible.
If for example, you already played it and don't want to do it again in a 2nd playthrough, it could make sense for you to chose to walk away.
dire gate
Also I'm pretty sure it's not strictly true you can't play the DLC
iirc you are basically blocked from the main questline
Not the area itself
random steppe
And instead of perpetually leaving the mission hanging it's nice to have an actual fallout from you chosing not to get involved
quiet swift
If you choose it on accident then yeah, autosaves will help. Otherwise the context here is not that you are "picking the wrong option" because of lack of context. You're outright saying "i'm out" and refusing. At most you could argue that you might not know that this is the Phantom Liberty mission, but 
static bluff
Ideally, there would be a path to both close the quest and then later restart it. It shouldn't be treated like other quests.
It's a bold decision.
I'll say that much.
random steppe
IDK, I feel like it's fine.
quiet swift
"The job flashes up as failed and the player is told to leave following some more disappointed dialogue. Exploring the new Dog Town area is still possible, and players can still do all the new Gigs and other bits of side content, but Phantom Liberty's main quest will be locked away until a new game is started"
Content's still there, just the story isn't
random steppe
Yeah as far as I know you can't dismiss the "enter the new zone" quest, but there are failure states to the quest once you are over
dire gate
What I personally think is that every option should provide about the equal amount of content
gaunt marten
I don't like that because it means to see all the content you must select every option
random steppe
That's like, for every RPGs that has a choice system right?
dire gate
I mean that is how choice works
I don't like when I go "hmm I wonder what would happen if I do this" and then the game straight up tells me "WRONG CHOICE LOL, DENIED"
wind stump
Interesting detail, I went into a store in Crosscode and Emile mentioned she had upgraded her gear...
Aside from the fact the store I went to didn't sell gear, this was a really cool detail!
Really sells the idea of your friends like
Gearing up in game
Also saves you buying gear for them
gaunt marten
She says that every time you go to a shop
wind stump
eh i still find it cool
Somehow I knew this was going to reference Pokemon, lol
I should reread 8-bit Theater
little badger
thorny loom
https://twitter.com/insidergamingig/status/1707319118620180892?
âWe realized another battle royale would just die at current time so were being smart and cancelling itâ
gaunt marten
peak mesa
Thoughts on CS2?
gaunt marten
It exists
peak mesa
Canât say the same about CS:GO.
peak mesa
Actually you can still play CS:GO, you just opt in to their beta. However you can no longer matchmake.
CS2 is unfortunately lacking in features. The classic Arms Race and Wingman game modes are not there with their maps.
static bluff
I should reread 8-bit Theater
Great reference
I started downloading cs2 and then I realized I just didn't care
It's a team based shooter, right? I hate randomly assigned teammates
wind stump
Great reference
It's even better because it's a reference to Fighter talking to an NPC saying the same line over and over again
little badger
sour hill
It's a team based shooter, right? I hate randomly assigned teammates
Yeah it demands a ton of team communication, don't even bother
wind stump
huh, so TH19 had additional hands on it
Explains why the pixel art is so bonkers good
wind stump
ZUN still did a big majority of work but it's good to see other hands in the smaller details to give that extra pizzaz
wind stump
Feels like a more polished PoFV
Story mode plays a bit more tradtionally like Touhou, where you have to defeat Spell Cards to advance, so the focus is more on survival
Which makes a rechargable shield VERY handy
wind stump
sour hill
*Disaster*
This is the typical solo matchmaking experience
little badger
https://twitter.com/hazzadorgamin/status/1707391869188256079? @graceful bridge
graceful bridge
Ooh ouch. At least I'm getting the PC version on time.
harsh kestrel
I'm just hoping that part of those "several other projects" Sega apparently is cancelling was any decent Sonic games. I also know about Sega buying Rovio, so I'm waiting for an Angry Birds and Sonic collab game or something lol
heady bridge
I see CS mentioned and keep thinking of Trails of Cold Steel. I have played way too many Falcom games latelyâŠ
wind stump
Because ALL THE MONEY is NOT ENOUGH
MORE MONEY
INFINITE GROWTH IS REAL
man... fuck Epic
little badger
dire gate
sus
wind stump
amogus
wind stump
man... fuck Epic
like
cards on the table, i dislike Epic for a variety of reasons so the fact they would lay off nearly a thousand employees isn't surprising to me despite owning fucking Fortnite and making ALL THE MONEY
and I BET there's a 99% chance it's the fucking shareholders behind this not seeing the money number go up high enough, so they fire the grunts to try and compensate while punishing the people who made them that money in the first place... The world is cruel and unjust, man.
thorny loom
Epic has fortnite and unreal engine. They really shouldnt be having issues with money
dire gate
This morning, rumors were flying as Epic disabled Slack for employees ahead of the news. Laid-off Epic employees will receive six months severance and health benefits. All-hands meeting happening shortly.
rotund forge
See, the dude who created fortnite within Epic isn't even that bad of a guy. It's the company...
wind stump
and like yeah
I support Squenix which makes me a hypocrite because all AAA developers are bad
capitalism bad, etc.
But MAN, Epic is a whole other level of greed sometimes
wind stump
> This morning, rumors were flying as Epic disabled Slack for employees ahead of...
That's a small thing that cools my jets a tad
Mostly because if they can afford that they can afford to keep the damn employees, can't they
capitalsm bad tho
thorny loom
See, the dude who created fortnite within Epic isn't even that bad of a guy. It'...
He is kinda weird though
bleak lintel
The new CEO doesn't like the way SE has been ran for the past decade so maybe things will change.
wind stump
As long as they don't touch FFXIV shit's good
robust steppe
bleak lintel
I don't think anyone at SE can force Yoshida to do anything with 14, the last guy tried with NFTs.
random steppe
like
cards on the table, i dislike Epic for a variety of reasons so the fact the...
This is sadly par for the course for gaming companies...
Actually scratch that, it's pretty normal for tech companies in general.
Epic isn't an especially bad example of it, it's the average.
Which doesn't make it any less fucked
But still, good to keep it in mind, it's why I am actively surprised when someone in the industry doesn't treat their employees like disposable garbage.
I wonder if winds will change, a lot of companies trying to grow now seem to having trouble recruiting talent, because reality is, while the whole tech sector can be exploitative, the gaming industry is definitely the worst one for salaries and benefits from what I heard.
And at some point, if companies want to keep the talent necessary to churn out their huge projects they'll need people to do the job.
gaunt marten
It's par for the course for publicly traded companies
It's somewhat unusual for a privately owned company
rose rose
Epic is losing billions of dollars a year. They do not have all the money. They don't have any money.
random steppe
Are they? My understandin that Epic was definitely in the black
rose rose
My recollection is of being very surprised to learn that they are not at all
random steppe
They for sure are losing money on individual projects, like the Epic Store is a money sink for sure
But overall I thought they were profitable
rose rose
Though I can't find a source for that now.
random steppe
What I can find from google, tells me that they are making less money than the previous years
But are still profitable
And yeah a bunch of articles telling me that they are losing money on the EGS which is expected
Which makes me sad because it's pretty good for the devs, and the free games are pretty good for consumers, but a side of me cheers because it's a terrible piece of software that makes me dread interacting with it every time I need to
rose rose
I may have confused them with Unity, which is indeed a money fire
Though plummeting profits does still tend to lead to taking some sort of action
random steppe
I feel like Epic is sitting pretty, so many new games coming out next year using their new engine that I have trouble believing they wont be making bank in 2024, but yeah.
gaunt marten
They are spending a good amount of money on growing their store, but Fortnite and their other projects are netting them silly amounts of money
random steppe
Maybe the engine revenue is less than i think tho, I don't actually have no idea how much of their profit comes from it
rose rose
Also, six months of severance and health insurance? I do not actually feel terribly bad for these people.
random steppe
And I do feel like Fornite is waning in popularity, it's just a feel from it being much less at the top of the internet zeitgeist
But it has to have peaked right? Not to say it isn't absurdly popular, but it was the main thing for like, a year, now it's just "one of the things that exist"
rose rose
The sentiment among my friends who were hit by layoffs earlier this year was "this sucks" but shortly followed by "woo six month vacation"
gaunt marten
If they're easily employable that's good
rose rose
Tech workers.
Even among peak tech layoffs it was not all that hard to find a job.
The article doesn't seem to say who exactly Epic is laying off.
But six months generally seems like plenty
Especially as hiring is now ramping back up, at least in the broader tech world. I don't know what's going on in video games.
dire gate
Twitter
arctic fern
870 jobs eliminated, but Epic is still hiring
fuck you
rose rose
Pretty standard.
Also "we have been spending way more money than we earn" supports my earlier belief that I got from... somewhere
arctic fern
still fuck em
dire gate
Epic is also divesting from two previous acquisitions, sources say. It is selling music site Bandcamp to the marketer Songtradr and spinning out marketing company SuperAwesome to operate independently.
rose rose
What even is SuperAwesome
gaunt marten
Bandcamp is really good and it's a shame to see it's not profitable enough to keep
rose rose
Also given they basically didn't touch Bandcamp and I've never heard of Songtradr I don't know how I feel about that
gaunt marten
Business to business music licensing platform
wind stump
> 870 jobs eliminated, but Epic is still hiring
fuck you
Yeah that's just
Gross.
gaunt marten
Never heard of it either
random steppe
I mean, it depends if they are hiring for different positions than what the layoff were for.
rose rose
Laying people off while still hiring can make perfect sense if the people you lay off and the new ones you hire have unrelated skill sets.
It seems very likely they are trying to pivot something or other internally
random steppe
It could also still be total bullshit for the record
rose rose
(and also unlikely they are hiring 870 people)
random steppe
We don't know
rose rose
It is indeed also possible that they laid off people and are then hiring the same type of people because it was easier than reassigning them. That would be suboptimal.
No details are provided so 
slim thorn
after a certain size of organization, youâre pretty much constantly hiring employees and losing employees just because thereâs so many different parts
rose rose
The basic justification seems to be "our margins are now way lower because we're giving away 40% of our currently growing revenue and growth has not been what we'd hoped"
slim thorn
Iâd need a comparison of the fired and hiring positions to form any opinion on whether that aspect was uniquely evil
not that this affects the point that theyâre making far too much money to need mass layoffs
dire gate
For now it does feel more like "uhh we are fucked" more than "haha you are fucked"
wind stump
"But it's not all the money!"
rose rose
This is still not clear to me
They are a private company that has had reportedly positive (but rapidly declining) gross profit
No other details appear to be known
random steppe
Were required by law to give the 6 month benefits? That'd change my opinion on it a bit if it wasn't.
Still not good, but less shit for sure.
rose rose
Except that that they claim to be losing money
slim thorn
itâs annoying that we always have to guess at even the most basic facts about these enormously influential entities
rose rose
And that they keep taking billions in investments
rose rose
Were required by law to give the 6 month benefits? That'd change my opinion on i...
No, the law requires zero
random steppe
Even in California, which is where I assume they are based in? (like every company)
rose rose
California requires you to pay out unused vacation but otherwise is also zero
random steppe
wind stump
GOD BLESS AMERICA
rose rose
đșđž
wind stump
đșđž đșđž đșđž đșđž đŠ đŠ đŠ
rose rose
Worker protections are not America's thing
thorny loom
Fortnite gravey train is probably drying up too
dire gate
Apparently they are in North Carolina
wind stump
land of the free unless you're poor
random steppe
đșđž đșđž đșđž đșđž đŠ
đŠ
đŠ
I feel like a british person doing this is in some way offensive, but I can't place my hand on why.
thorny loom
Hc wants a tea party
thorny loom
Just as the founding fathers intended
rose rose
Fortnite gravey train is probably drying up too
They explicitly called this out in their memo
thorny loom
figures
dire gate
North Carolina is an At-Will Employment state, which means that, typically, employers are allowed to fire an employee for any reason, with or without cause. Employers are not obligated to offer a severance package.
rose rose
Their revenue is moving to the Fortnite Creator Program, which is lower margin because they have to pay the aforementioned creators
thorny loom
Hard to imagine peak fortnite was 5-6 years ago
thorny loom
> North Carolina is an At-Will Employment state, which means that, typically, em...
Most states are like that
random steppe
I still feel like Unreal Engine 5 will pay handomsly in the next few years at least, so they are probably fine my guess will be.
thorny loom
Some states make it mandatory to have a reason to fire someone but its not that hard for a Manager to do
random steppe
Like, every time a new game gets announced the "Unreal Engine 5" seems to be a major selling point for it
dire gate
I was more focusing on the last sentence but yeah
thorny loom
Ah okay
rose rose
They may well be, but I'm not sure how different that is to today
thorny loom
https://www.pcgamer.com/tamriel-rebuilt-morrowind-mod-history/ something more light hearted
wind stump
i'm making mistakes
dire gate
thorny loom
i'm making mistakes
Is this a touhou game
wind stump
cult classic visual novel
god i know i'm touhou obsessed but i have OTHER INTERESTS
like two but they count
rose rose
Were required by law to give the 6 month benefits? That'd change my opinion on i...
I forgot a detail, actually: the WARN act. Severance is not necessary, but for mass layoffs they are required to give two months of notice. This is often handled by just giving at least two months of severance, which is technically noncompliant but since the penalty for non-compliance is to give the employee two months of severance, effectively is fine. Sometimes employees will be technically still employed but locked out for two months to strictly comply.
So six months certainly wasn't necessary but two months sort of was
dire gate
i'm making mistakes
Just don't start talking with red and blue
random steppe
Makes sense, thanks for the information
little badger
Makes sense, thanks for the information
Genryu do you know if armoured core is getting DLC?
random steppe
No idea
It felt complete
But I wouldn't mind more stuff to do
It sold pretty well so I don't think it's impossible
thorny loom
I cant imagine why it would not
little badger
I heard that they had to nerf some bosses
random steppe
I cant imagine why it would not
It felt like a game with a very tight and focused scope, so it's perfectly possibile that no DLC were ever planned from the get go
sour hill
Like sekiro đ
thorny loom
I heard that they had to nerf some bosses
The first boss yes
wind stump
you mean they shipped a complete product without having to carve out content for DLC ?!??!?!