there is much to be confused about
#general gaming
slim thorn
bleak lintel
The Unity Runtime fee does not apply to our film, gambling, or education subscription plans at this time.
Maybe we'll get gacha games to admit they're gambling.
slim thorn
I guess on the plus side, if I ever get bitten by the gamedev itch now I no longer even have to think about which engine to use
light gate
Not a fan of the gamer response of “Use Godot lol”, Godot still isn’t as mature as Unity. Although I do expect another boost to the FOSS project.
slim thorn
so I haven't done any proper gamedev but I also didn't see a clear answer to this above
what kind of stuff is Godot missing that Unity has?
random steppe
Not a fan of the gamer response of “Use Godot lol”, Godot still isn’t as mature ...
it isn't but my guess is that if Unity stumbles so hard that a significant number of big projects shift to it, it might mature fast.
slim thorn
like, I believe you, but I'd like to understand a bit more than "it does stuff"
random steppe
Big IFs to be fair
bleak lintel
If Godot isn't the answer people will switch to an engine that is.
static bluff
Time for XNA to make a comeback!
bleak lintel
One project I am already plans to switch but we haven't started yet.
slim thorn
Unreal probably is a legit answer to some projects
gaunt marten
what kind of stuff is Godot missing that Unity has?
Switch and Mobile cross platform stuff, for one
slim thorn
ah
light gate
Unity provides a bunch of tools that Godot has still baking, terrain systems, apis, good support for multiplatform deployment, proprietary stuff that… is useful in cases…
Its a lot.
We’re talking documentations, extensions, all sorts of crazy support.
bleak lintel
Unity has a big community so it's easier to get answers on how to do a thing.
random steppe
Also lot of devs in the industry have years of experience developing in unity at this point, you can't just snap and shift that to another engine
It's gonna cost time and resources no matter what
bleak lintel
Unity has also been the entry point for a long time.
gaunt marten
A lot of indie games that qualify for the thresholds do have Switch or Mobile releases. Stuff like Slay the Spire, ITRTG, Cult of the Lamb
dire gate
Wait doesn't Brotato have a mobile version
bleak lintel
I think the outcome is legal teams will get involved, Unity will start walking back, but it is too late I can't see any company trusting a future project with them.
slim thorn
mm-hmm, indies can't depend on guessing how far it'll walk back
random steppe
IDK I am skeptical that there will be an exodus.
I still think they shot themselves in the foot for no reason tho
light gate
I mean, the MLP: Maretime Bay uses Unity ffs. Unity literally just makes a lot of sense in deployment, heck Unreal is like… overkill for many things.
Unity has the advantage of running on a toaster, while Unreal requires Nasa super computers. That’s the running joke.
random steppe
Like at the very least, they'll lose a few point of market share, which like, didn't have to happen at all
light gate
But don’t get me wrong, its possible to use Godot.
Just hope you don’t hit engine bugs!
random steppe
Like, to give credit where credit its due, Unity is what made game development so damn accessible to so many people, and no doubt a large reason we can see game of the year contenders developed by 3 people in a garage in a country that sounds fake.
slim thorn
to be clear I don't think anyone is claiming that a hundred games are gonna switch to Godot overnight
bleak lintel
Most projects won't be able to switch, the effects of this is years down the line.
slim thorn
lots of devs paid the sunk cost already and either can't switch or it's not worth switching even with the new fees, and Unity knows that
bleak lintel
Unless storefronts drop all Unity games on Jan 1st.
slim thorn
yes the "exodus" we're expecting is a much slower thing
light gate
Yeah but current consensus is to make devs switch to Godot, instead devs are begging for Unity to fucking stop and retreat.
Its annoying.
slim thorn
no parting of the seas, but everyone starting a new project will be looking into whether they can use anything else, and that'll eventually add up
random steppe
True, at the very least they will explore options
While maybe before, they already had experience on Unity, why even ask the question?
light gate
Honestly I want to use Godot but I don’t even know where to start, I would have to relearn A LOT. Who knows how long too lmao.
slim thorn
like, if I wanted to make something today, I would 100% start goofing around in Godot, and only worry about a "serious" choice if I want to finish a thing and have reached the point where Godot's limitations matter to me
but I also have zero prior Unity experience
even my C# experience is all from Izzybot
bleak lintel
Companies aren't using Unity baseline however, it takes a lot of tools and such on top of Unity to get the engine to do what they want. If those tools get developed for Godot or other engines because that's where the wind is blowing it makes the switch easier as well.
light gate
I don’t even know how Godot handles multi platform deployment, probably well for Windows and Linux but bad for Mac and iOS because that’s a given. Also suspect GameObjects alternative.
gaunt marten
Oh, apparently they have mobile support now
random steppe
Also to be clear, people are doomsaying about the deal, while I hate it because it induces perverse incentives into the echosystem, isn't nearly as bad as it seems.
If you start making a game as a random dude and manage to sell 200k copies of it, even if it's 5 bucks each, you are probably still well in the green even paying for the installation.
Like even knowing that's a possibility, the hobbyst will still use Unity because if they get to make a game that sells 200k copies, they are probably going to be okay,
gaunt marten
Currently, the only console Godot officially supports is Steam Deck (through the official Linux export templates). (With third party support for other consoles at cost)
Other than that, Windows, Mac OS (including ARM too), Linux, Android are all supported, with experimental browser support, and limited iOS support
iOS can run exported projects but not the editor
light gate
Yeah that makes sense.
slim thorn
huh, Android can run the editor? I would not have expected that
slim thorn
ah
gaunt marten
Browser support is full if you use an older version of Godot
Details on console publishing: https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/platform/consoles.html#doc-consoles
light gate
They’ve also deprecated something recently, I forget if it was GodotScript or idk.
I gotta check again.
gaunt marten
VisualScript
Godot’s visual scripting language, VisualScript, was introduced in Godot 3.0, almost five years ago. Despite our continuous effort, it never gained traction and the path to improve it was never clear. Because of this, for Godot 4.0, we decided to accept that the approach we took from the start was simply not the right one and decided to remove it from the engine. If enough volunteer interest exists, it may be moved to an extension.
light gate
That’s a shame.
gaunt marten
Even though the visual scripting base functionality was there, Godot lacked high level components to make use of it. Engines like Unreal, Game Maker or Construct offer high level game features packaged together with the visual scripting solution. This is what makes it useful. Godot is an extremely general purpose game engine where it’s easy to make those features yourself, but they don’t come packaged out of the box. As such, VisualScript by itself was of little use.```interesting
gaunt marten
Turns out, even though it was a highly requested feature, only a limited amount of people ended up using it
(Self reported poll)
slim thorn
classic engine/library design dilemmas
light gate
Well yeah, probably because people were still learning Godot.
gaunt marten
The two paragraphs above describe two reasons
light gate
I feel like that’s gonna bite them in the long run, Unity dead ass implemented a visual graph system not too long ago.
gaunt marten
Yeah
As VisualScript was implemented as an optional module, the relevant code was moved to a dedicated repository so that interested users could still compile it in, if there is interested in keeping it up to date: https://github.com/godotengine/godot-visual-script
One possibility is to convert it to an official GDExtension using GodotCPP, which is very mature now and should support everything required to do this. As an extension, it may work better as a ground for experimentation and improvement. For this to happen, however, there have to be volunteers wanting to make this happen and spend the time required to research a path forward. If you are interested, get in contact with us on the #scripting channel on the Godot Contributors Chat.```
static bluff
Ooo a smog system
heady bridge
visual hill
I feel like that’s gonna bite them in the long run, Unity dead ass implemented a...
the way visual scripting was implemented made it undesirable to use, since it wasn't an event sheet like GameMaker that is beginner-friendly, and a blueprint-like system requires a ton of premade behaviors to be useful at scale
there's also the issue that visual scripting isn't something experienced programmers really want to use, and therefore want to contribute to
GDScript was hugely improved in 4.0 (and further in 4.1 and 4.2), to the point where it became an even better option for beginners
dire gate
Literally "ask the devs" thread
slim thorn
the near absence of hype for FF16 is interesting
bleak lintel
Should have been PC day 1.
random steppe
My selfish take is that they released it on the wrong platform.
bleak lintel
I think so too.
random steppe
Business Unit 3 built a fanbase on PC then released a Playstation exclusive title
Dumb move
bleak lintel
It either needs to be Nintendo or PS5 and PC.
heady bridge
Well traditionalists hated that it had completely moved away from being turn-based and others either didn’t like the story and/or characters. It being a PS5 exclusive also didn’t help even if FF usually sells best on PlayStation platforms, though the brand since the PS5 has taken a hit in Japan…
slim thorn
what the hell
random steppe
Playstation makes sense, since FFXIV is on playstation
But it can't be an exclusive, they cut a huge portion of their fans
slim thorn
yeah, talk about inevitable
random steppe
They are still stuck back to when Final Fantasy was a console game, those fans were pretty much all alienated by FF13, this new fanbse is PC centric
bleak lintel
Delayed releases don't create hype windows, by the time PC comes out people will be talking about FF7R 2.
heady bridge
Yeah but that likely won’t be day and date with the console release on PC either, the first 7 Remake was also Epic exclusive 🤦♂️
random steppe
Also probably competing with BG3 didn't help
To be fair, FF7Remake the main problem is that it's a shit port.
I'd have bought it if it worked well
bleak lintel
BG3 hurt it after the fact, made some of their choices worse.
Side quests in 16 are terrible.
Worse than your standard MMO fetch quest.
heady bridge
Performance mode in 16 was terrible, well it was in the demo I tried at least.
random steppe
The performance looked fine from the streams I've seen at least
heady bridge
They probably used the other setting which is at least a stable 30fps
random steppe
Not outstanding but not notcieably bad
heady bridge
Performance mode is not stable at all and could drop below 720p
sonic dune
Wow Norman Reedus and the Funky Fetus is coming to mobile?
heady bridge
Yeah Square also make tons of middling stuff like Harvestella which also aren’t selling too hot
Their mobile titles are also tanking
bleak lintel
Harvestella is AA and did decent for what it is.
Their AA games do pretty well.
But they can't make up the money their AAA division burns.
quiet swift
And the past and current CEOs have hardons for blockchain garbage
heady bridge
Forspoken was a big problem as while that did launch with a PC version as well as on PS5 it was poorly received no matter which platform you played it on
bleak lintel
They tried to kill FF14 with NFTs, but Yoshida blocked.
heady bridge
At the very least none of Square’s games have really had blockchain stuff… yet
random steppe
They flopped a bunch of live services in a row
bleak lintel
MiHoYo killed a lot of the mobile space.
random steppe
Babylon's Fall being the funniest one
heady bridge
Yeah getting Platinum to make a live service is like getting a fisherman to fish while wearing boxing gloves to punch the fish out of the water.
random steppe
Funny that Redfall and Babylon's Fall are so similar, name included.
Assholes take hostage an extremely talented game company and make them create a live service game completely out of their wheelhouse, and it flops, horribly.
heady bridge
At least Babylon’s Fall had the decency of dying pretty quickly
quiet swift
heady bridge
Lol Square literally keeping Tose in business with those ports and remasters
random steppe
Legit that stuff makes my blood boil, Arcane and Platinum made some of my favourite games and now Arcane is essentially destroyed and Platinum is in hot waters, for like, no reason.
quiet swift
Arkane?
heady bridge
At least Platinum released Bayonetta 3 afterwards
random steppe
Yes, forgot how its spelled
slim thorn
wait, Babylon's Fall was Platinum!?
heady bridge
Yes it was, hard as it is to believe
bleak lintel
Arkane is safe because it is Microsoft.
quiet swift
But yeah publishers chasing trends for big money, forgetting that a) it takes YEARS to make a game and b) some studios aren't specialised in making that type of game
heady bridge
Then again Sol Cresta wasn’t great either and that was Platinum too
random steppe
Yeah but reportedly during Redfall development a bunch of the talent from the studio left
bleak lintel
That part is true, everyone knew Redfall was a dud.
random steppe
It's anyone's guess if they are in any shape to put out a new Dishonored in the future
It might just be a dead studios now
We'll know when they make the next game
Well if they ever do, seems like they want to keep them chained to the sinking boulder that is Redfall
heady bridge
What concerns me about Microsoft buying these studios is they are not getting hands on and telling them “stop making this, this isn’t working” and actually helping them get their act together
Bethesda are still making the same mistakes they have done for a long time with the only real improvement is some stability and performance especially in the console release of Starfield.
random steppe
Sometimes I wonder if No Man's Sky and A Real Reborn success stories made more harm than good to the industry.
Now every trash game that comes out we get a "we commit to make this unoriginal garbage the best garbage it can ever be", while they clearly aim at getting a similar redemption story and it usually doesn't end well because the title they are trying to fix has nothing worthwhile to being with.
Like the best version of Redfall is still garbage
heady bridge
It’s like when you see Sonic fans trying to polish up 06, like a turd is still a turd no matter how much you polish it…
bleak lintel
Fixing Redfall requires making Redfall 2.
heady bridge
Fixing Redfall requires putting it out of its misery.
random steppe
I don't see in this industry at current time, Redfall having any success
People made a good Refall, it was called Back 4 Blood and did okay for a minor title
grave tide
Fixing Redfall requires using delete button
quiet swift
Redfall is more of a sunk cost fallacy thing. They released it more because it was at a minimum (bare, bare minimum) status to be released, and now they can stop putting money in it and was their hands of development time rather than wait X years more making it
random steppe
At 60 bucks even the best possible version of redfall is a bad game
quiet swift
With all the bad press it got, it would require No Man's Sky levels of time investment to get it back up
random steppe
Redfall is more of a sunk cost fallacy thing. They released it more because it w...
The problem is that they announced that they will keep working on it to make it good
Which like, please no, stop, go home
quiet swift
random steppe
Make a good game instead
bleak lintel
It does give devs something to do while they spin up their next game.
heady bridge
No Man’s Sky was all Hello Games had, they needed it to turn around otherwise their small studio was sunk. AAA studios don’t have the time or usually pressure to turn a game around in that time frame
random steppe
So Hello Games had a big bag, a bunch of users that already had the game, they wanted it or not, and the ability to go radio silent without going bankrupt
heady bridge
Oooh hopefully the F-Zero rumours turn out to be true!
bleak lintel
Sony also forced them to release before it was ready.
heady bridge
Sony did help fund the game initially though right?
bleak lintel
They had a marketing deal too.
random steppe
Not initially I think
They picked it up midway through as a publisher
Like they do, with the bag of money
heady bridge
Well even if it was just marketing that is probably still a sizeable amount
heady bridge
14 was pretty much dead before the relaunch
bleak lintel
Not many companies have someone like Yoshida who can walk into a project with his own team.
random steppe
Oh yeah, and to be fair, they didn't fuck with it too much.
Which is what SE usually does and it kills the project
They left Yoshida and the team to work on it through the years with the expansions
ARR was good, but if they didn't give it time to mature we wouldn't have reached the levels of success it had with Shadowbringers and Endwalker
bleak lintel
And then Yoshida gained enough influence in the company to prevent big SE from messing it up.
They would have crashed the game given the opportunity.
random steppe
Sometimes I think the CEOs at Square have no idea what NFT means, they just know that everytime they say it, the shares of the company go up, like another few buzzwords, but they actually have no comprhension of what they are saying.
quiet swift
Pretty much
heady bridge
While that's all well and good that doesn't explain why 16 hasn't set the world alight as with Yoshida in charge you'd think it would've been a slam dunk, it not having a PC port is one thing but even the PS5 version has disappointing sales, maybe it feeling like it took a lot of influence from Game of Thrones didn't help as that show basically became poison after its final season... that and Square probably got more involved in 16 from the higher ups...
random steppe
I didn't play it so I have no deep analysis as to what did or didn't work.
I was hyped for it and if it came to PC I would have bought it on day 1, but I don't have my finger on the pulse of Playstation gamers
It's a departure from past FF games gameplay wise but it seemed good from that front so I don't know if that matters that much.
I have no idea.
I wonder if it happened and Playstation gamers now reject RPGs if they aren't weeby as hell.
slim thorn
part of the reason I ask is that I've never been the sort of person who plays a JRPG game anywhere close to release, and I'm so out of these loops I wasn't even aware it was a PS exclusive
there's no deep reason why I didn't play FF16, it would've been bizarre if I did
heady bridge
tbh I was busy playing The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie anyway as I am much more a fan of Falcom's work than most of what Square puts out.
random steppe
I wonder if it happened and Playstation gamers now reject RPGs if they aren't weeby as hell.
I was busy playing The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie
Since this one datapoint confirm my hypothesis, it's now uncontested truth.
slim thorn
in general RPGs are such a huge time investment (and imply aspects of gameplay design that I never enjoy) that I will only ever play one based on word of mouth long after release if it just so happens to tick several of my storytelling bias boxes, so they're never gonna be marketing/designing for me
quiet swift
reason i didn't get ff16 immediately: I have no ps5 
random steppe
For weeby JRPGs, there is no way to tell if they are any good by the marketing
They look indistinguishable
dire gate
This may sound weird but I feel like people who were mostly hyped about ffxvi were ffxiv users
quiet swift
And half the time you have to figure out if it's Hoyoverse or an actual jrpg
random steppe
This may sound weird but I feel like people who were mostly hyped about ffxvi we...
Yeah of course, as I said earlier, Business Unit 3 created a fanbase of people that aren't fans of Square Enix but specifically fo Business Unit 3, and those are mostly on PC
Not exclusively, but in larger part
heady bridge
Trails biggest thing is that it's 10 (12 in Japan) games in and all of them are interconnected and you really need to play them all in order to gain the most from them in terms of story and characters. It is not for the faint of heart nor is it gonna be something I can recommend to everyone but if they click with you you have hundreds if not thousands of hours of content to enjoy...
slim thorn
I've never heard of BU3 before, what did they make before?
gaunt marten
FFXIV
random steppe
They are literally an internal studios of Square
slim thorn
oh
dire gate
slim thorn
oh, ok, yoshi's team has a name
gaunt marten
And half the time you have to figure out if it's Hoyoverse or an actual jrpg <:p...
This one streamer I watch sometimes keeps getting paid to advertise some sort of JRPG
random steppe
Yoshi is smart, they put the name in FFXIV trailers, they made a name for themselves from within another company
gaunt marten
I gave it a watch once and it turned out to be some sort of Genshin crossed with Butt jiggle simulator
dire gate
It's overwhelmingly empty
heady bridge
oh, ok, yoshi's team has a name <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
Yep it's the very snappy Square Enix Creative Business Unit III
slim thorn
Trails biggest thing is that it's 10 (12 in Japan) games in and all of them are ...
meanwhile I was so unaware of this franchise it took me a minute to mentally untangle it from Tales
little badger
thorny loom
More mario wonder huh
heady bridge
meanwhile I was so unaware of this franchise it took me a minute to mentally unt...
Falcom does also have the Ys series which I'm not sure is that much more well known than Trails...
dire gate
Ys is pretty well known and sells, but trails series is a generally larger franchise
heady bridge
Well Trails was an inspiration for Honkai Star Rail as Falcom's president was invited to a Q&A with miHoYo ahead of the full launch of that
thorny loom
slim thorn
I was aware of Ys, but probably only because it's a more distinctive name
I don't actually know anything about Ys, Tales, Trails or whatever else is in that whole JRPG space
dire gate
I like Ys series. I have few of them in my Steam library
heady bridge
Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana is amazing, one of my favourite action RPGs and the soundtrack is absolutely top tier.
dire gate
I kinda like classic ones too
Ys II has an amazing animated opening sequence created by Makoto Shinkai
sonic dune
I like DooM analysis videos because there's always a "this is supposed to happen every time you [x] but due to a coding oversight it never does"
dire gate
It's almost always fun for gamers when the game doesn't work as developers intended
not always but a lot of times
gaunt marten
That's why game development is such an exciting field
Doing it badly doesn't matter if you're bad in a fun way
dire gate
I should probably clarify it, "when the game that works doesn't work as the developers intended"
sonic dune
I thought the overworking and underpaying is what made game development exciting
dire gate
when the game simply doesn't work we hate it
gaunt marten
No that's what makes it horrifying
sonic dune
when the game simply doesn't work we hate it <:rdwut:399725074204065802>
I dunno man, Skyrim has been pretty popular
dire gate
green fulcrum
sonic dune
<:itjustworks:678070209902411777>
visual hill
I recognize Tricks and Traps
little badger
https://twitter.com/playstation/status/1701981653109731703? @graceful bridge
thorny loom
gaunt marten
Notice how the very newest announcement is associated with a slight increase in share price
green fulcrum
Isn't that normal for a lot of companies whenever they make new announcements, regardless of what the announcement is? Shareholders think "I gotta buy into this to show support and to show others that it's a good idea".
gaunt marten
And over six months:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F54MRRHXcAAvhRY?format=png&name=small
Yeah
Stock prices are mainly a predictor of stock prices
graceful bridge
https://twitter.com/playstation/status/1701981653109731703? <@129646994053398528...
That's for the Extra & Premium levels.
white phoenix
civ is on consoles?
little badger
That's for the Extra & Premium levels.
You only have the basic level right?
graceful bridge
You only have the basic level right?
Right
river veldt
oh blade already posted it whoops
little badger
graceful bridge
I have Civ. Maybe would've played Neir.
dire gate
oh blade already posted it whoops
As a matter of fact it was posted even before Blade
It's a news many were waiting for, it happens
little badger
I have Civ. Maybe would've played Neir.
Civ looks fun.
wind stump
dire gate
Good ol Jack F
white phoenix
"You've just hee'd your last ho"
little badger
Nintendo Direct confirmed for tomorrow <a:pippwiggle:1019590422655406201>
Will you be watching?
mossy flume
I think I’ll have time tomorrow
little badger
mossy flume
Winter games, huh… hmm, that would be a good time to push out the Metroid Prime 2 remaster.
little badger
Maybe a switch 2 announcement? 
mossy flume
Mayyyybe but I suspect not
They could do it but I expect that in the spring
Or around E3 time
little badger
Yeah.
white phoenix
maybe an announcement and then full reveal during e3 season
heady bridge
I actually expect they'll do what they did with Switch and just drop a random video one day on their YouTube channel showing a "first look" at the new console.
That happened in October 2016 and was released in March, so like 6 months prior to release...
mossy flume
That would actually track pretty well, yeah
rugged flax
New Xbox controller color
Astral Purple
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/09/12/xbox-wireless-controller-astral-purple/
gaunt marten
I like purple but that advertising is awful
Time for NG+ https://i.imgur.com/Hg7dUkf.png
wind stump
<:jackSalute:1102704544619712542>
yeah i think this was one step too far in prepping for Shadow Yukiko, lmao
Oh well
wind stump
I'm still pissed there's no romancing Yosuke option
Like even outside the fact it's Gay AF (and thus, based), you have characters constantly refer to him as "your partner" 
(The P4 anime did this right but you know, that's the P4 anime, it's flawless)
teal cliff
Persona isn't going to let you be gay
white phoenix
you can date aigis as femc
teal cliff
you can date aigis as femc
and what about in the remake
white phoenix
what about the remake? the fact of the matter is that there is actually a lesbian romance in the series
that being said it's a shame there isn't more
slim thorn
Time for NG+ https://i.imgur.com/Hg7dUkf.png
oooh, you went for Unwavering Faith?
gaunt marten
It had the best reward for my playstyle
slim thorn
iirc I did Bleeding Heart for mine, because the way I normally play the handicap is barely a handicap
but I've been thinking of going True Guilt for my next Blasphemous rando
gaunt marten
I'm also going for the challenge where you do not use bile flasks on bosses
slim thorn
I guess I'll also be doing that next time since True Guilt means zero bile flasks ever
gaunt marten
Doesn't it just make your bile flasks refill fervor?
slim thorn
well, yes, "Fervour Flasks", but that implies no direct healing
gaunt marten
With the thorned hairs tiento that could mean more HP than normal
slim thorn
Tiento prevents damage but doesn't regen health
I feel like I misunderstood a word somewhere
gaunt marten
It's more effective health if you use it to attack bosses in bursts
slim thorn
yeah, if you can do enough damage in one Tiento of time that it's worth the fervour cost
which with fervour regen or fervour flasks, yeah, probably
well it'll be fun to experiment with, that's the whole point
gaunt marten
I'm speaking of this achievement
This is the challenge I'm going for
You can use flasks to heal, just not on bosses
slim thorn
yep that part I got
I happened to re-check my achievements list the other day and remember that's one of the ones I never tried
teal cliff
what about the remake? the fact of the matter is that there is actually a lesbia...
and then what happened in 4
or 5
or the remake of 3
or as the male protagonist of 3
Persona as a series is not very good about gay representation
slim thorn
I'm still not sure what to think of the whole Akechi social link
white phoenix
Persona as a series is not very good about gay representation
I'm not disputing that dude
removed yosuke romance 
fresh bane
I don't think Persona as a series is really trying to do gay representation specifically so I guess I can't blame them for not prioritizing it even though I'm sure people would appreciate the option
slim thorn
it gets talked about more because it's one of the few video game franchises that really should be, considering half the game is building up social links with a few dozen people of all genders
teal cliff
^
slim thorn
and hardly anything else has a similar system with as much emphasis
and because P3P had some not-just-teased gayness
teal cliff
Persona could have same sex relations, as evidenced by what amounts to a port of the third game adding them in very casually
slim thorn
so each time they don't do it feels like a step backwards now
especially with the remake
teal cliff
but from 4 onwards they haven't had a female protagonist and iirc some of 5's writing was somewhat homophobic in tone
very fair to criticize them over not having it.
Also they should have female protag options again.
slim thorn
I don't remember anything homophobic in P5, but I've only seen Royal and it is a massive game so who knows what I've missed or forgotten
what I do remember was P 4 making it hilariously obvious one of the characters was gay and then later on weirdly forgetting about that almost? which I'm not even sure what to make of
(and the whole Naoto thing I won't get into)
fresh bane
I'm not disputing whether or not Persona should have it I'm mostly replying to the ''Persona isn't good about gay representation'' comment since it's not something Persona is really preoccupied with doing necessarily but I never disagreed that they should have the option, the more options in an rpg the better
river veldt
i tried playing Persona 5 but the tutorial was so long that i got bored 😔
slim thorn
'tis a long game
slim thorn
it's weird how much I end up having to explain why I don't like RPGs and then when I do play them for the story I finish them more consistently than anyone else I talk to
gaunt marten
Last JRPG I played I wasn't done with the tutorials until 60 hours in
fresh bane
I haven't tried P3P again in a long time, I played it a lot as a kid on the PSP but haven't touched it in years, I'd have to play it again to know but I don't think I'd be able to get into Persona as much as I like P3 and P4 from what very little I know about them
slim thorn
ok I don't think I've done one that bad
white phoenix
it's weird how much I end up having to explain why I don't like RPGs and then wh...
so true lol, I didn't do anything until I finished p5
when I finished the first palace I was already 10 hours in, and that's when I fully realized the scale
slim thorn
yeah I definitely wouldn't enjoy playing the Personas myself, though watching the story as Tale replayed them has been great
even managed to guess The Culprit when we got to that part of 4
fresh bane
I wouldn't be as engaged if I was watching it I feel, especially since a lot of the experience is very personal to you and the choices you make and how you wanna build up your character and who you wanna go on a date enhance your social link with
white phoenix
even managed to guess The Culprit when we got to that part of 4 <:flutteryay:399...
that's fun
too bad I kinda already knew who it was due to all the memes heh
fresh bane
But at the same time I don't think I would be able to handle the grind and the length and the time you'd need to put into playing the game especially once it starts to get hard and Persona 3 gets very hard very quickly
It's just extra grind
river veldt
me: i do not enjoy rpgs
also me: im so excited for Super Mario RPG remake !
white phoenix
I wouldn't be as engaged if I was watching it I feel, especially since a lot of ...
Yeah absolutely, I don't think I would have nearly had the experience I had if I just watched some other guy play it, because it's you selecting the dialogue choices and interacting with the characters, and that's a big part of the gameplay
slim thorn
But at the same time I don't think I would be able to handle the grind and the l...
after watching all of P3P and P4G and getting far enough into P5R to have the combat properly explained, I think I said something like "if they keep improving things at this rate I might actually want to play P6"
fresh bane
I'm sure there's also a lot of metas about da strongest persona in da gaem!11 and all but the personas you choose is also part of the experience
I remember that Minato's persona despite looking cool is absolute trash or that's what I remember reading back then when I looked up guides for fusions but hey if someone wanted to keep it around that's part of their experience
river veldt
so it's like a pokemon situation
slim thorn
there is a pokemon element to the persona games, yes
fresh bane
The funny part is that Personas are supposedly way easier to get into than Shin Megami Tenseis
river veldt
does persona have pikachu
slim thorn
no
fresh bane
I've been on the ''I should finish Persona 3'' train for a long time now, I stopped playing it pretty much at the middle point because I couldn't get past this one table boss and I just stopped playing because I was frustrated so I still have this feeling of needing to see the story through to the end
white phoenix
persona 5 is basically pokemon but inception
fresh bane
I also want to go on a date with Elizabeth because I never had the chance to in my game
white phoenix
she's great in fes
fresh bane
I still don't know the requirements to date Aegis, I never really found out so if I ever pick it back up I'll have to look into that
fresh bane
all I remember was that I was too stupid for Mitsuri and wasn't kewl enough for Yukari 
slim thorn
I've been on the ''I should finish Persona 3'' train for a long time now, I stop...
...roulette table?
oh right Yukari requires charm
white phoenix
😎 badass enough for fuuka
slim thorn
Knowledge takes by far the longest to max out so Mitsuru was the one I remember refusing to be dated forever
particularly when she was made unavailable by plot just as we got it maxed out
fresh bane
Knowledge takes by far the longest to max out so Mitsuru was the one I remember ...
that sounds about right, I remember doing nothing but going to a specific store or some place on the square or mall just to get my charm up as much as I could to date Yukari but I remember I never seemed to have gotten it
slim thorn
the arcade games?
gaunt marten
does persona have pikachu
Persona has Picatchu - pichu
white phoenix
yeah the 100% social link guide says to do the arcade games whenever you can
also study at night every night
fresh bane
Hecc if I know where it was I don't even remember now
fresh bane
I had stopped going into the online game with my online buddy to study so Mitsuri would notice me but she never did 
How many books do I need to read to talk to you woman
slim thorn
also why are you calling her Mitsuri lol
white phoenix
if you study every night from the beginning of the game, then by the time her social link is open, you should be able to hang out with her
slim thorn
huh, Tale said the arcade games and miscellaneous quest reward stat boosts are way more effective than studying 
fresh bane
It's that sort of stuff that irks me when I played it, I know it's not necessary or required or anything and it's probably entirely optional but the fact that the requirements are so high and hey if you missed one night of studying or going into the arcades then fuck you I guess now we have a story moment and you're locked out 
fresh bane
also why are you calling her Mitsuri lol
is that not her name?
fresh bane
That's pretty close
slim thorn
lol
white phoenix
huh, Tale said the arcade games and miscellaneous quest reward stat boosts are w...
maybe, but you lose next to nothing in terms of time if you study at night, whereas you could spend the time at the arcade for other things
gaunt marten
This is like calling Joe Biden just Biden
slim thorn
unless you care about the nighttime social links, sure
fresh bane
Mitsuri Kanroji, Mitsuru Kirijo, that's very similar
gaunt marten
Oh wait, this is not the Japanese surname then given name format
It's the American one
white phoenix
no, studying at night does not take up the "night" time slot, because it's supposed to be "late night"
they give you the option whenever you go back to your room after the night, unless you went into tartarus
gaunt marten
You could cheat
slim thorn
oooh that's right, Tale was staying in the Tired status on purpose early game to unlock more of the Courage boosts
look the game's complicated but she 100%'d all social links so clearly it was a viable strat whatever it was
white phoenix
yeah there's a 13 year old guide on gamefaqs that gives you a guide on what to do on every single day to get 100%
I'd only do it on a second run though, just blindly following it kinda ruins the experience for me
slim thorn
and now, fittingly, I should get back to my ~60 hour JRPG that plays like Metal Gear Rising for some reason
fresh bane
and I'm the kind of person that likes to complete as much as I possibly can when playing a game so I'd just follow that guide for my first (second?) playthrough regardless 
fresh bane
and now, fittingly, I should get back to my ~60 hour JRPG that plays like Metal ...
and also plays like metal gear solid, and ikaruga, and metroid/castlevania for some reason 
fresh bane
you could say that
I was gonna say Space Invaders at first but...that's a bit too retro
river veldt
what the hell
fresh bane
I 'member when Nier had just released and I saw one or two videos about it reviewing the game briefly and how great the multiple genres and changes in perspective were, but I also seem to remember a lot of people seemed to really really hate these
It's pretty much the only thing I know about the game since I was never interested too much but I think it's really cool
river veldt
@sonic dune video you might find interesting https://youtu.be/8L7v3vRA65E?feature=shared
slim thorn
Nier (Replicant) does have a problem with clunkiness in the segments with non-default perspectives, though you shouldn't be playing that for the gameplay so it's not the biggest deal
Nier Automata is much better in general at making the core gameplay loop fun even without the craziness of the story/lore/setting/cast, and that includes the shmup and sidescroll segments
of course I'm still far too early in Automata to make a fair story comparison
actually you know what the Niers remind me of
the Metal Gear Solids
strongly associated with one particularly unique creative lead
extremely memorable and quirky cast
storytelling that waffles between hilarious cheese and successful tearjerk
not the easiest thing to explain or get into
tries to be multiple genres and it doesn't always work but it's always interesting
I could go on
astral steeple
Twitter
green fulcrum
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1701976751071519048
Larian Studios is probably laughing their ass off at this man while drinking champagne as BG3 sales soar.
white phoenix
this guy is like the supervillain for gamers
it's like the embodiment of everything gamers hate and combined into one guy
mossy flume
Honestly there are worse ones
white phoenix
yeah probably lol
river veldt
apparently there was a parody of him in Travis Strikes Again and he was the final boss
mossy flume
But yeah I remember that comment. I didn't know he put out an apology for it though.
I'll forever have a sore spot on Sony though for some comments they made around 2010.
river veldt
imagine every time you wanted to glory kill a demon in Doom you had to pay a buck
white phoenix
Larian Studios is probably laughing their ass off at this man while drinking cha...
"but imagine how much more money you could have made with mtx!"
grave tide
https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1701976751071519048
I wish this CEO will make Unity bankrupt or something like this, to make industry understand that this won't work
white phoenix
except unity going down means more than half of the indie game industry also goes down
heady bridge
Well the fact EA welcomed him back for a second term with open arms there says everything you need to know about what AAA and their investors want
grave tide
And Tarkov will go down, this will be the best victory in history of game industry
white phoenix
EA is a public company, so they're always going to choose the guy who will bring the most money
that's unfortunately how it is when you go public
your sole goal is to make money
heady bridge
except unity going down means more than half of the indie game industry also goe...
Relying on one game engine for half the industry was not exactly a great business model to begin with imo. That is shifting sand if things go wrong, like they are currently.
white phoenix
which is why you thank the stars that valve is still private
you say that as if the industry was one collective though, devs will always go to the most popular one due to ease of use or documentation
grave tide
~~And Tarkov will go down, this will be the best victory in history of game indu...
And I imagine how fast Tarkov will change engine after Unity will do this thing about pay for every installation 
white phoenix
~~And I imagine how fast Tarkov will change engine after Unity will do this thin...
changing engine means literally making the entire game over again, albeit with all your assets
grave tide
changing engine means literally making the entire game over again, albeit with a...
I don't care, I pray every single day for closing Tarkov forever
I hate this game
heady bridge
I mean I don’t begrudge any studio, large or small for using something like Unity, but expecting them to not do stuff like this… especially with their current CEO and his track record was naive at best
mossy flume
Changing engines is an entirely nontrivial matter which would likely involve retraining or replacing the staff working on said game. It would also involve rewriting all your code.
Each engine is fairly unique in how it works and is itself a skill that takes a lot of time and energy to develop
little badger
gaunt marten
Is he going to join Unity too?
mossy flume
https://twitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1702053805720826102?
Dang
He was doing a good job with those
mossy flume
I mean I don’t begrudge any studio, large or small for using something like Unit...
"There's no royalties, no fucking around," Unity CEO John Riccitiello memorably told GamesIndustry.biz when rolling out the free Personal tier in 2015. "We're not nickel-and-diming people, and we're not charging them a royalty. When we say it's free, it's free."
river veldt
wind stump
yippee! 🎉
mossy flume
The thing with Unity pisses me off because the learning resources available for it totally eclipse everything else that’s out there. And Unity’s documentation is absolutely fantastic.
And it’s easier to use than Unreal Engine while not losing out on any capabilities.
quiet swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQSDsjJAics going through the announcement, some of the reactions, the Q&A and so on. Good place for most info so far in one spot
mossy flume
Having actually looked at the updated terms I feel like it’s an overreaction, but the principle of this specific model is just… they’re double-dipping aggressively on the royalties. Just do a regular royalties model. 
slim thorn
the "overreaction" thing is hard to judge because the reactions are as much about the principle, the context, and possible future changes as they are about any specific developer's financial situation after only these immediate updates
while it probably won't bankrupt most devs, it is a huge headache to figure out what it would even cost you, probably disincentivizes many desirable practices like certain kinds of demos (and it's not even clear which ones, see previous point), there's no reason to trust Unity's proprietary install counter, it is scummy double-dipping, and with only a 3-4 month warning period it's still a massive rug pull for every developer who's already committed to the engine, and after this why would anyone trust them not to suddenly redouble the fees again next year
gaunt marten
It's not an overreaction given the history of how Unity worked really hard in the past to fix their reputation and promise they won't change the deals they've struck retroactively.
sonic dune
<@566087716970823690> video you might find interesting https://youtu.be/8L7v3vRA...
I've been binging all of his videos...
So you are correct
river veldt
also i was wrong it wasn't Tom Hall's arms they used for Doomguy it was Kevin
sonic dune
visual hill
also i was wrong it wasn't Tom Hall's arms they used for Doomguy it was Kevin
Bitterman is everywhere
river veldt
Geoff is not amused
https://x.com/geoffkeighley/status/1701791508285063587?s=46
Twitter
teal sonnet
based take
river veldt
if you lose Geoff you are truly lost
arctic fern
green fulcrum
Yeah, this whole thing is basically gonna bring Unity to their knees.
Hopefully in forgiveness
gaunt marten
Oh I thought Slay the Spire did run on Unity
slim thorn
Heck, what is going on with Unity now
do you want the actual summary?
steady skiff
Yes, I did heard about it a bit of it though
slim thorn
Yes, I did heard about it a bit of it though
Until recently, Unity pricing was a relatively familiar model of (to keep things simple) "once you make X monies/sell Y copies, you owe us Z% of that". They recently announced a new payment system, which most importantly includes a per-install fee (if you aren't on one of the pro subscription plans), effective for all Unity game installations made after January 1st 2024. This is problematic for many reasons:
- How do you count installations? Unity apparently has proprietary software for this, but are hiding the details, leaving many legitimate concerns about reinstalls being double-counted, whether pirated copies count, if anything prevents them from making up BS numbers to take more money, etc.
- Since this applies to (future installs of) games that already released or started development, every moderately successful indie developer who chose Unity before this announcement suddenly has to rethink how much this fee costs them, whether they need to switch engines, and whether they can switch engines at this point (some have tweeted cost estimates, and one or two already promised to switch unless this gets reverted).
- Apparently nothing stops Unity from changing terms on short (by gamedev standards) notice, so there's now zero trust they won't make the terms worse again in the future. Thus, even devs who can easily afford the new fees announced so far are reasonably upset and considering switching future projects.
steady skiff
Damn, Unity is really doing this.This is truly sad for the Indie Devs, I wonder how that all of it will affect the future of game development and the choices made by those.
slim thorn
at the moment I have no idea
the one thing that seems clear is that the business side of Unity is 100% aware of just how bad the reactions would be, and are hoping for nothing more than a short-term cashout
(edit: removed an irrelevant and disputed claim)
fresh bane
Which is why even if this wasn't something that would immediately bankrupt most devs it still sets a precedent that Unity not only can but will do this type of stuff and it makes people not trust them anymore
It really only takes one decision like this to completely obliterate your reputation and goodwill with people
It's honestly pretty crazy just how quickly a lot of devs even the big ones were like ''yeah no fuck that'' and just said they're either switching engines or just taking their games down entirely
little badger
He was doing a good job with those
teal sonnet
https://twitter.com/megacrit/status/1702077576209207611
holy shit
minor plover
the one thing that seems clear is that the business side of Unity is 100% aware ...
the CEO selling stock is a red herring. Here's his list: https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/insiders/riccitiello-john-s-383806 He's been selling much larger numbers of shares over the last several years, and then getting them "indirect" (which looks like "as compensation") and selling his way back down to zero.
visual hill
funny emulator bug I encountered today while playing LTK difficulty on Cradle
slim thorn
huh, if true he picked amazing timing to do this accounting trick
drifting tendon
He only sold 2,000 shares worth $80,000. That's hardly anything compared to the $300 million he sold off in 2021-2022.
slim thorn
fair enough
quartz pawn
white phoenix
oh shi wh
teal sonnet
this has to be intentional or something
white phoenix
wonder what they could possibly be announcing
river veldt
hmm
flint iron
The return of starfox and metroid 4 reveal
white phoenix
bet that the chat will be all "gta 6" this and "cod" that lol
hidden cypress
Astral chain TWO
white phoenix
apparently it will focus on indie and 3rd party games
livestream chat is going to overhype this to have a gta 6 announcement and then disappoint themselves, again
hidden cypress
Geoff Keighley cries when he hears gta 6
white phoenix
Geoff at the game awards before the armored core announcement saying that he was "honored to have this decorated studio announce this game" at his show and then making everyone think gta 6 was actually here was the funniest thing
and then the bandai namco logo came on and they all got mad
green fulcrum
Lol
hidden cypress
Or when he trolled everyone w the ff7r pt 2 announcement
rotund forge
wonder what they could possibly be announcing
I'm hoping fnaf help wanted 2. They said it'd be this year and it'd be the perfect time to show more
white phoenix
I'm going in with low expectations, last time was a disappointment
river veldt
I'm hoping fnaf help wanted 2. They said it'd be this year and it'd be the perfe...
same
harsh kestrel
So this airheaded moron is not only the dude who pretty much started loot boxes as a thing, but literally all those EA jokes made over the years that I thought was just people over exaggerating about EA's greed was because of him. People like him are what's wrong with the gaming industry and this world. There's a hot take
mossy flume
Nintendo Direct will begin <t:1694700000:R>
I suspect this will be the final Direct to focus entirely on the Switch.
Including a bunch of posts from devs about the situation
teal cliff
I suspect this will be the final Direct to focus entirely on the Switch.
I agree
river veldt
yippee !
rancid herald
imagine if it's not even about any games, it's just nintendo shitting on unity for half an hour
slim thorn
it would be hilarious if they'd been thinking about getting into the game engine space all this time
rancid herald
I mean, the remake of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl was in unity
It wasn't made by nintendo but it wouldn't surprise me if they were genuinely considering using a non-in house game engine, given how it surely slows production down
slim thorn
I suspect their first party Switch games needed the in-house engine expertise to perform as well as they do
but for a future console who knows
static bluff
it would be hilarious if they'd been thinking about getting into the game engine...
Introducing the new Reggie Rigid Body system
river veldt
da link
https://twitch.tv/nintendo
why is it so big
what are your guys direct preditctions
static bluff
Localization of mother 3
astral steeple
since i called them remaking/remastering super mario rpg last direct, this time i predict a remake/remaster of the first paper mario game lol
mossy flume
A remake/remaster of Paper Marios 1 & 2 would be awesome
Those games are legendary
I’m going to go out on a limb and say Metroid Prime 2 Echoes Remastered will be a thing. 
And maybe something involving Donkey Kong.
astral steeple
twilight princess remaster for switch
mossy flume
WW HD and TP HD for Switch would be great to have
teal cliff
It always kinda pissed me off when people talked about how FFXIV wasn't money hungry, unlike WoW, and how WoW's cash shop was just the worst thing ever, all while FFXIV had basically identical monetization
I don't mind either game's cash shop because I felt like I had enough outfits in-game that I could acquire to never feel like I needed to spend real money but it was really dumb watching people pretend 1 was so much worse than the other.
random steppe
Ffxiv cash shop is bad, but Wow definitely went above that many times over with the Wow token
Like, it's not even comparable
gaunt marten
The system where you're allowed to play the videogame for another month by farming gold and then buying a month subscription in-game from someone else who paid real money for it is neat but
The people farming should be considered employees and get benefits
They're basically working for company scrip that can be redeemed for the opportunity to work more
wind stump
remember Axie Infinity or whatever that NFT game was?
teal cliff
Ffxiv cash shop is bad, but Wow definitely went above that many times over with ...
There's literally nothing wrong with the WoW token
gaunt marten
It's a great idea, but there's a bunch of perverse incentives associated with it
teal cliff
Sub prices didn't change with the introduction of the WoW token, nothing was preventing you from paying a monthly sub to keep playing
Now if you had the gold to do so you could play the game without paying
slim thorn
r/outoftheloop: what's the WoW token?
teal cliff
You can spend gold in WoW to buy a token worth 1 month of subscription time
gaunt marten
Step 1-
A player buys subscriptions with real money, and they come in the form of a redeemable in-game item that gives you a month of gameplay.
Step 2-
They put that token on the market, and a buyer spends in-game money to buy that token and redeem it.
Step 3-
The buyer now has an extra month of subscription, where they can farm gold to buy the next month's.
It's an allowed method of buying gold, which is there to combat third party gold sellers
Another benefit is it keeps the game world full of people, even if the subscription price is above the means for some of them
teal cliff
Also the token costs the same amount of real money as 1 month of playing time, which is exactly what it's worth
So Blizzard makes the same amount of money from 2 players buying 1 month as they do from 1 player buying their own month and 1 token, which another player purchases with gold
little badger
https://twitter.com/playstation/status/1702049745554772126? @graceful bridge
young creek
and nintendo direct in 25 min
little badger
mossy flume
Nintendo Direct will begin <t:1694700000:R>
teal cliff
I don't know what to do during State of Plays anymore
I used to just watch for goodbye volcano high news
but its out now, what is left for me
river veldt
fnaf
wind stump
M E A T D I M E N S I O N
teal cliff
fnaf
until they announce Security Breach 2: Breach Harder I won't be paying much attention to Fnaf games
river veldt
what about Help Wanted 2
mossy flume
M E A T D I M E N S I O N
I need this bowl.
young creek
We might get an Alan Wake 2 switch port
he must escape the nightmare dimension of the dark place
quiet swift
M E A T D I M E N S I O N
I wonder if there's a place in Japan with a bowl like that 
Actually come to think of it there is, just not meat but chicken. Lemme find the video...
He eats that, while the person next to him is the local champion eater, tackling a 5kg (11 pounds?) bowl of chicken
young creek
heres the one without delay https://www.twitch.tv/nintendo
mossy flume
teal cliff
what about Help Wanted 2
I can't use VR
teal cliff
I don't particularly enjoy watching VR
compared to watching normal video games at least.
young creek
here we go bayby
river veldt
YIPPEE
river veldt
holy shit
static bluff
hyyype
young creek
Splatoon 4....
river veldt
Splatoon 3 Dlc
young creek
🤣
static bluff
splatoon mmorpg
teal cliff
Splatwo??
static bluff
splatoon battle network
young creek
480 damage?!
river veldt
this music is spooky
young creek
👻
river veldt
AHHH A GHOST
static bluff
remember that one splatoon 3 song that was just noise
river veldt
Mario vs Donkey Kong
young creek
I remember this video game
river veldt
oh it's a remake of the DS game i think
random steppe
There's literally nothing wrong with the WoW token
The problem with it is that it puts an official dollar price on ingame currency.
The potion stops costing 1000 gold, it costs 3 dollars now, and if a person has more IRL money than you they can more easly access it.
The system is the same or Eve online, I know the pitfalls of it really well, it's why when a big battle happens in the game, media says "a ship worth 10.000$ dollars" was destroyed
It's always a fuck up when you allow people to buy currency, it always makes the game worse
young creek
How do you jump higher from a handstand than on your legs..
wind stump
oh it's a remake of the DS game i think
GBA
river veldt
oh woops
teal cliff
This Mario game looks fun
teal cliff
The problem with it is that it puts an official dollar price on ingame currency....
I've never had that problem with WoW because everything is fairly easily earned with in-game gold.
The intended game progression is very obviously not paying for gold with real money to skip content.
teal cliff
Isn't there another prince of persia game coming out next year? or is this the same game?
river veldt
idk
teal cliff
Prince of Persia The Lost Crown
is the one coming out Jan 24
not sure if this is the same one
okay it is
river veldt
ubisof t
teal cliff
I think I last saw that at a State of Play
river veldt
vroom vroom
young creek
I think they are gonna show Hollow Knight 2 today
teal cliff
This handling looks 
static bluff
Does this game have hyrule castle?
young creek
nope
teal cliff
Today? sweet.
river veldt
rhy thm
random steppe
I am in a car driving for the next 40 minutes, if they announce Silksong release date now I am going to be mad
teal cliff
Konami
young creek
YOOOOOOOOO
static bluff
WHAT
teal cliff
ah no
static bluff
river veldt
holy shit that dog is adorable
young creek
@astral bolt ANYA ON SWITCH
static bluff
static bluff
nooo they are changing it
astral bolt
Ootings game
static bluff
i hate all these changes this game sucks
river veldt
oooh
static bluff
new game+ mode I'm back in
young creek
ye but you can rematch Jhonny
teal cliff
dade
dire gate
Oh my god
static bluff
will anya game have a tennis mode?
astral bolt
That dad looked like the doctor from TF2
river veldt
flannel
dire gate
I...I am speechless
green fulcrum
Just woke up, what did I miss?
river veldt
not much
young creek
only the spy x family game
teal cliff
Just woke up, what did I miss?
Elden Ring 3 is a Nintendo DS exclusive
static bluff
finally, toads
unreal idol
Damn mh stream must br
D lagging
astral bolt
The important question is do we get to bake a cake
green fulcrum
Princess Peach game?
river veldt
YEAS
green fulcrum
The leak was real! :D
young creek
this was announced 2 months ago
static bluff
costume transformation wasn't sailor moon enough
river veldt
waow
astral bolt
Ponytail Peach is too strong
teal cliff
oh sweet
young creek
i like fence mode
green fulcrum
And it looks much better than the previous game, lol
astral bolt
HOLY HELL
river veldt
omgomgomg
young creek
Anya peach..
green fulcrum
Oh wow, that's a million fanart launches right there
astral bolt
We stan an ass-kicking Peach
river veldt
all her outfits are so cute 😭😭😭
static bluff
you called it wcct
astral bolt
WE DO GET TO BAKE A CAKE
static bluff
oh this trailer is still going
unreal idol
Omg these outfits
teal cliff
Kung Fu Peach Daigo Parries a boss and they die of shame
river veldt
March 22 yippee
green fulcrum
This game is gonna kill Cap, lol
astral bolt
If you listen closely you can hear the artists drawing at the speed of light
thorny loom
Any remasters?
green fulcrum
It looks like a really cute game
river veldt
Mario vs Donkey Kong remake
thorny loom
Thats cool i guess
young creek
what is this art style
river veldt
i dont remember when it comes out
teal cliff
oh this square RPG looks nifty
thorny loom
Ping me if paper mario gets a remaster or something
astral bolt
Yo it's Jolyne
river veldt
that cat is massive wtf
static bluff
omg ff10 battle system
astral bolt
Oh, it's Kiseki
green fulcrum
Tomb Raider
river veldt
ive never played these so this is neat
young creek
why does it still look like an n64 game
astral bolt
For the nostalgia factor
young creek
but im not nostalgic for it..
river veldt
februrarary
astral bolt
It's not for you then
young creek
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young creek
Tim Goodman will always be funny
river veldt
is harry going to be pikachu like in the movie
green fulcrum
Detective Pikachu is not something I would've expected today, but I suppose that counts for "Pokemon news" like I predicted.
river veldt
ovtber
teal cliff
oh thats really soon
static bluff
lol toot
river veldt
TROMBONE CHAMP YIPPEE
young creek
I remember this game, streamers played it for 2 days
astral bolt
green fulcrum
This is so bad, I love it
river veldt
funny
astral bolt
That second options seems like hell to play
static bluff
lmao okay multiplaye rlooks fun
teal cliff
theres no way this is a functional control scheme
green fulcrum
They know it isn't, that's the funny part
teal cliff
Battle Royal 😴
young creek
league of legeeendsss
river veldt
Los Angelester
young creek
streamers already playabed trombone game when it came out on pc
astral bolt
Yeah but not in coop
young creek
Streamers with local co op?
astral bolt
Oh local only? lame
young creek
yes its nintendo
river veldt
trombone champ funny
green fulcrum
Oh cool, Wartales
young creek
POG POG
river veldt
con tra
static bluff
up up
young creek
down down
green fulcrum
Contra!
river veldt
really ?
young creek
yee e
astral bolt
This isn't a Fire Emblem?
young creek
👻
green fulcrum
Luigi's Mansion! Denzy will be pleased!
river veldt
i never played Dark Moon
astral bolt
Who you gonna call?
river veldt
Who you gonna call?
luigi
green fulcrum
Dark Moon was cool, but not played very much because it was 3DS-only.
astral bolt
I could hear him trying very hard not to say "then suck them up!"
river veldt
oh next summer
young creek
next summer thats crazy
river veldt
this video
young creek
Mario Maker 3 baby
astral bolt
Maybe we'll get another Checkpoint League
river veldt
waow
river veldt
waow that's neato
teal cliff
you know what, a Nintendo Museum is quite cool
river veldt
i wanna go there
teal cliff
They have enough history to warrant one.
young creek
is the only announcement this direct Anya and Mario VS DK...
static bluff
oh i should pick that up
river veldt
waow that's crazy
static bluff
wait they have a sans amebo??
river veldt
so many amiibo
river veldt
wait they have a sans amebo??
no 😔
young creek
wow its real
static bluff
;YO
snow gorgeBOT
I don't know that command.
river veldt
F ZERO ?????
young creek
falcon punch
green fulcrum
THE LEAK WAS REAL!!!
river veldt
HOLY HELL
static bluff
yesssss
green fulcrum
Lol, the Twitch chat is salty. They wanted a new game.
static bluff
ye i'm getting that
gaunt marten
Kirby skin when
astral bolt
Nice, another 100-BR
unreal idol
F ZERO LIVES
wind stump
static bluff
this looks whimsical
river veldt
whimsical
young creek
did that say league of legends story
green fulcrum
Oh hey, this is a LoL game
river veldt
oh
astral bolt
I knew the little critters looked familiar
young creek
frojorn
static bluff
YO
astral bolt
Nice
green fulcrum
Oh noooooo lol
static bluff
These are the funnest games
river veldt
aww wait i cant play this
astral bolt
More Warioware streams
green fulcrum
They have a twerking game...
river veldt
it's like a sequel to Smooth Moves on da Wii
static bluff
sure you can spell noah like that i guess
river veldt
They have a *twerking* game... <:cadancewheeze:761000388232347658>
do you not remember Twerkey from Miitopia
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🦈
river veldt
guys Tomodachi Life will get a Switch port today i promise
static bluff
chucklefishhhh
river veldt
waow chucklefush
young creek
i know this one its stardew valley
static bluff
thank god for chucklefish
astral bolt
Earthbound vibes
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Wargroove II!
river veldt
wargoobe 2
static bluff
(I had that in my clipboard)
green fulcrum
Wait a second, are you guys ahead of even the Twitch stream?
static bluff
river veldt
no im on twitch
green fulcrum
Because you said Chucklefish loooong before Twitch showed that
river veldt
there were 2 chucklefush games in arow
gaunt marten
The twitch stream can have a variable delay based on your conditions
green fulcrum
there were 2 chucklefush games in arow
Ooooh
gaunt marten
river veldt
MARIO KART YIPPEE
young creek
dave the diver we love him dont we folks
gaunt marten
Mine is 16 seconds delayed
astral bolt
We love Dave the Diver
gaunt marten
I don't like Dave the Diver
static bluff
Peach has got it
river veldt
FUNKY KONG YEUCJFNDH
gaunt marten
I do love Wargroove though
river veldt
FUNKY KONG !!!!!!!!!!!
static bluff
fucky kikong!
river veldt
PAULINE !!!!!!!!!!
astral bolt
YOUR ONE UP GIRL
young creek
YAAAAAASSSS
green fulcrum
If they don't put Airship Fortress into that pack, I'm going to cry...
wind stump
astral bolt
river veldt
new Among Us map ?
green fulcrum
AMONG US!
static bluff
amongus now on unreal engion
young creek
red is sus
green fulcrum
This looks cool!
young creek
whats gonna be the one last thing
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mother 3 localization
young creek
im thinking ZELDA
young creek
HOLY SHIT
river veldt
PAPER MARIO
young creek
TTYD
river veldt
HOLY FUCK
static bluff
lmao what
astral bolt
Truly, Nintendo will never hate anything as much as they hate Star Fox and Metroid
young creek
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
static bluff
@mossy flume you aa spy??
teal cliff
oh shit
green fulcrum
PAPER MARIO?!
river veldt
@thorny loom ITS REAL
young creek
THE ONE PIEEECE
green fulcrum
TTYD REMAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!
static bluff
The one piece is real
green fulcrum
YESSSSSSS
river veldt
WAOW
river veldt
waow it looks so prrtty
static bluff
nintendo being a real bro this year
astral bolt
Looking delightful as always
river veldt
ive never played this game im excited
young creek
the greatest game ever made...................
astral bolt
LUNKHEAD
river veldt
bowsa
young creek
I have played this to death though so I hope theres some new stuff
cloud tree
I personally prefer the modern Paper Mario artstyle
river veldt
did that person turn into a pig
static bluff
what if it's bundled with mario rpg
green fulcrum
Never in my life did I think we'd be getting a remake of TTYD...
static bluff
literally laughed when ma said paper mario would be annouce and here i am eating my hat
mossy flume
Paaaaaper Mario hyyyyype
mossy flume
<@98605232707080192> you aa spy??
green fulcrum
We are eating well this year and next year, bois. FEASTING.
river veldt
i think the last one was better but it was till good
mossy flume
TTYD remake aaaaa
Can't even be mad about Metroid not getting a mention, that's just too awesome
static bluff
RIght?