have you played a persona game yet?
#general gaming
white phoenix
river veldt
RUIN was legit so good
teal cliff
have you played a persona game yet?
I personally do not care for Persona.
static bluff
Oh I know an RPG with lots of gay people
teal cliff
right quick list of popular games that I think people might suggest that I don't usually like just to save us all a little time;
Persona, Disco Elysium, The Witcher,
static bluff
Well they're not people they're, like, monsters or some thing
river veldt
Undertale is on the list Onosa
static bluff
Damn well I only looked for Dyson Sphere Program
teal cliff
what is dyson sphere program?
static bluff
It's so good.. Is Factorio or Satisfactory on your list
static bluff
Okay so imagine your goal was to build a Dyson Sphere instead of just one rocket
white phoenix
as far as I can tell, it's like 3d factorio
static bluff
Then make it 3D. Also, you can travel to other planets and solar systems.
quiet swift
You liked Life is Strange 1. I didn't get more than a few hours into 2 for some reason, didn't vibe with it. But 3 is a return to form so I'd suggest that.
Also an over the shoulder shooter with some rpg-ish elements: Alpha Protocol
static bluff
No, Satisfactory is 3D Factorio. DSP is not really like that.
teal cliff
You liked Life is Strange 1. I didn't get more than a few hours into 2 for some ...
I love Life is Strange 3, it's only not on the list bc I was doing 1 game per franchise.
Alpha Protocol is on the list already.
white phoenix
Oh you were talking about DSP, I was referring to satisfactory
static bluff
Ah my mistake
teal cliff
Also for the record recommending Alpha Protocol is a little rough bc it is not listed for sale on platforms like steam anymore.
river veldt
Doom Eternal is my favourite game ever which means i will recommend it to everyone ever
quiet swift
squints and checks again
teal cliff
The game is a little hard to track down. I already own a copy bc I love the game but yeah, just in case you recommend it to anyone else.
quiet swift
oh so it is
teal cliff
Alpha Protocol and Lis3 are good reccs though because I do love both of those games lol
quiet swift
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1954200/Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits/ this was fun and the artstyle is so pixar-ish
teal cliff
Oh I do own that game but I haven't gotten far in it, maybe I should get back to it.
ah beans i have it for ps5 lol
white phoenix
huh, that's on steam?
teal cliff
yes
quiet swift
I had to tone down the difficulty, some fights are brutal
teal cliff
I had to tone down the difficulty, some fights are brutal
I always play on minimum difficulty just, in general.
quiet swift
Toff: yeah, the usual 6-12 month epic thing is past
teal cliff
as a matter of taste I do not care for struggling.
quiet swift
Same, and some of the bigger "bosses" on medium wrecked me
teal cliff
I wonder if Exoprimal is any good.
visual hill
most EGS exclusives are timed, unless it's Kingdom Hearts 3 or THPS 1+2
(damn, THPS 1+2 in particular pains me)
quiet swift
I wonder if Exoprimal is any good.
I hear it's so so. A lot of pvp elements you have to get through to get to the pvpve aspects
Other suggestion: Bulletstorm
white phoenix
It's more like I thought it was PS exclusive after seeing it on their presentations all the time 
didn't know it was on pc
teal cliff
I hear it's so so. A lot of pvp elements you have to get through to get to the p...
:(
I wish PVE games would stop making non optional PVP segments 
white phoenix
this is random, but after searching through steam, mk11 is 90% off 
teal cliff
I like Mortal Kombat.
quiet swift
Ah, here's one: the newer Wolfenstein games
random steppe
Oh yeah, probably because the new MK is coming out soon
teal cliff
I'd recommend Mk11 over Injusitce unless you're a big DC fan
Mk11 is the better fighting game and it stands on its own better but Injustice 2 is really cool if you're into those characters
and the game itself is still good
at least thats my view on it.
MK in general is one of the nicer fighting games to play because it doesn't have stupid complicated inputs that make me feel old 😭
quiet swift
Starcraft is on the list... different style of RTS but: Supreme Commander (and Forged Alliances)
white phoenix
oh its because evo's coming up and there's a sale on all fighting games
teal cliff
Starcraft is on the list... different style of RTS but: Supreme Commander (and F...
Does Supreme Commander have like, different factions to play as?
quiet swift
Three!
teal cliff
That's one of my favourite things in RTSes is large rosters.
Most of my time in Sc2 was spent in the badass coop with its commanders you could play as >:)
quiet swift
Actually four if you count forged alliances
teal cliff
Actually four if you count forged alliances
I will look it up now.
quiet swift
It's the style of RTS i wish the industry had pursued
teal cliff
I wish that there were more co-op RTSes
SC2's coop mode is the most fun I've had playing any RTS and I think that an entire game designed from the ground up to have
A) 2 player cooperative mission campaigns
and B) A big roster of characters that can share units but are unique in their own rights
would be the most fun rts for me.
visual hill
Other suggestion: Bulletstorm
I have that one with the Duke Nukem bundle. 
need to try it
quiet swift
I think SupComm had a degree of coop
Definitely has the roster of factions and most of their units are unique - at least stylistically. All three share similar trends of "tier 1 artillery, tier 1 tank" etc etc
teal cliff
the funniest thing I got to do in starcraft's coop was use Karax to solo every mission on the highest difficulty without using any units.
who needs micro?
not me, thats for sure
quiet swift
Anyway a few more names for you to look up: the Deus Ex games (old and new), Quantum Break, Little Inferno, Trine, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, King's Bounty, Okami, Wild Hearts (if it runs okay on your rig). the F.E.A.R games
Supcomm is more about large scale battles than micro-ing. (it exists still of course) but... apart from the obvious cinematics, everything else is ingame graphics. Zooming in and out included. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEK91uEvPo
teal cliff
Wild Hearts and Deus Ex among those I have already played, I'll look up the rest
Deus Ex runs into the issue for me of being an RPG that doesn't let you create your own character. I do not care for Jensen.
Wild Hearts is fun.
quiet swift
I wish it ran decently, my fiancée adored MH:W as it was her first true introduction to a big budget game. Wild Hearts fell well short on performance
teal cliff
When did you play it?
quiet swift
Anyway, two more names for the road: A) Grim Fandango. I consider it my favorite game of all time
teal cliff
It didnt run well for me until after the first few patches.
quiet swift
I've checked it out after all patches and i just tried it two weeks ago. I can still see the framerate dips
b) https://store.steampowered.com/app/1482750/Waves_of_Steel/ a friend of mine pretty much was solo dev on this
teal cliff
I see, ty. I've written down your suggestions nad I'm gonna go through them now.
check out steam pages n such.
quiet swift
Do poke me if you find any interesting, in the channel. Heading to bed but will check any replies later 
teal cliff
Will do 
Though
Unrelated but since I sent my list of top 100 games
anyone else wanna share their favourites?
river veldt
yeah sure but i'll only do top 5
teal cliff
thats fair.
Also why can't I get any react roles from #roles? Is it something you unlock?
river veldt
Doom Eternal, Super Mario Odyssey, Minecraft, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario World
uhhhh
i have no idea why you wouldn't be able to
astral steeple
my top 5/6 favorite games -
Fort, Gta 5, Skate 3, Lego Star Wars the complete Saga and/or Skywalker Saga, and Saints Row 4
quiet swift
Grim Fandango, Carmageddon, WoW, Hades, Supreme Commander
quiet swift
I consider it my favorite game of all time
river veldt
waow
quiet swift
It's peak Lucas Arts adventure game from the 90s (or was this one early 2k? I forget)
river veldt
i believe it was 98
quiet swift
The story, humor, characters, music, everything was just absolute perfection to me
Controls are probably somewhat clunky yes, but you forget about it
river veldt
i see
teal cliff
Doom Eternal, Super Mario Odyssey, Minecraft, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the King...
I see 
visual hill
I've played very little adventure/point & click games, I should try a few
I have Grim Fandango Remastered which I got on GOG years ago
sage raptor
oh its because evo's coming up and there's a sale on all fighting games
Speaking of Evo, I just finished my street fighter pool (I went 1-2)
It's the first time I've sent someone home at a major
white phoenix
woooah
river veldt
I've played very little adventure/point & click games, I should try a few
give Space Quest 1-3 a shot
they're very good
fresh bane
I can finally enjoy Runeterra without having to touch League again
can't wait
I love Ahri's redesign
proud warren
I dunno why it didn't click until like, 5 minutes after just looking at this that that tweet was a video 
arctic fern
oh, i made it into the payday 3 beta: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1272080/PAYDAY_3/
gaunt marten
I dunno why it didn't click until like, 5 minutes after just looking at this tha...
Here!
wintry canopy
I just got my biggest master duel win streak, it also got me enough gems to get the blackwings structure deck.
teal cliff
I hope when Project L comes out that it has some good simplified controls
A lot of recent fighting games feel like they've kind of moved backwards in that respect, I dunno why that might be
but like, older Arcsys titles like Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2 had a "stylish mode" with auto combos and such, and Strive has no such thing
wind stump
dire gate
w e e b
haughty ferry
I hope when Project L comes out that it has some good simplified controls
The normal controls already simplified
teal cliff
The normal controls already simplified
It has auto combos?
haughty ferry
It's like DNF Duel
Not sure about auto combos
But like, you don't need to quarter circle forward or half circle anymore
For the inputs
Just simple forward, up, down, back
teal cliff
I suppose thats better than nothing
Also, I'm trying to remember the name of a game
its like a fishing game
and your partner dies before the game starts?
its like an indie game and the aesthetic is cute
wind stump
i ended up with... a character
teal cliff
Is this your first time playing code vein?
wind stump
perhaps
teal cliff
I think its a very fun game but the balancing is admittedly quite silly
its possible to one shot every boss
echo geode
Cries in spider bitch boss
teal cliff
Vriska Homestuck?
teal cliff
teal cliff
Butterfly of Delirium
She can be pretty rough but she also doesn't have a large health pool
so thankfully if you get high damage you can trade with her or just blow her up really easily and never learn her patterns.
uneven epoch
homestuck gif? in my 2023? its more likely than you'd think
teal cliff
homestuck gif? in *my* 2023? its more likely than you'd think
this was me a few months ago, so
Also to be fair we're in a discord based around a TV show from 2010
uneven epoch
i hope everyone knew how to seal their paint 
teal cliff
believe me unsealed paint is a thing of the past.
craggy vine
God damn. Cool to see a community last so long
teal cliff
Homestuck is apparently semi popular on Tiktok now so we're getting a steady influx of younger fans again
gaunt marten
Says the person in a pony server
teal cliff
Also there's like an Undertale to Homestuck pipeline that's still going
big overlap with some more recent media like The Owl House
we're parasitically attached to more popular fandoms >:3
Or at least, more recent fandoms, since at its peak Homestuck was really really big.
uneven epoch
darn younglins back in them ancient days it was homestuck to undertale
teal cliff
<:grannysmithgetoffmylawn:585610062656176144> darn younglins back in them ancien...
It is a symbiotic relationship
It also went from a Homestuck to Steven Universe pipeline to the other way around.
Any of yall played I Was a Teenage Exocolonist?
wind stump
the peak code vein experience
quiet swift
"Stop Jesusing all over the place"
wind stump
Smallest anime sword:
fresh bane
''oh this? this is just my pocket dagger''
teal cliff
size matters
astral steeple
teal cliff
Exoprimal is certainly a game.
thorny loom
teal cliff
I'm starting to lose my mind
There's an objective type where you need to stand on a point n defend it
and my teammates just absolutely refuse to get anywhere near the point
I'm getting Overwatch flashbacks
fresh bane
No, there are no in-game purchases in our game. We believe in providing a complete and immersive gaming experience without the need for additional purchases. Enjoy the game to its fullest without any additional cost or microtransactions.
That alone will attract so much people to your game and make people respect you more
Even if the game wasn't amazing
:ZecoraClap: well done larian studios
sinful raven
grave tide
> No, there are no in-game purchases in our game. We believe in providing a comp...
Real AAA in the world of poor indie studios like EA, Ubisoft and others
Game of the year
white phoenix
oh boy game awards 2023 GOTY is going to be spicy
slim thorn
I feel like we get a few of these "good AAAs" every year and it doesn't usually cause the "woo, they're stickin' it to the establishment!" narrative that this one's getting
that statement was certainly a good PR move
grave tide
I can remember only GoW Ragnarok in 2022
Game which was released and didn't get and in-game purchases
slim thorn
I can never remember which year anything came out in
white phoenix
It's insane how many quality games we've gotten already in 2023, and we're not even in q4 yet
where would 2023 rank in best gaming years?
white phoenix
with mods yeah lol
green fulcrum
I have zero faith in Starfield. That game is overhyped, not BG3.
white phoenix
yeah low expectations for that one, I don't care what todd says
it's almost certainly going to be riddled with bugs on release
grave tide
I will believe in Bethesda only about ID Software games
But I am not sure after Doom Eternal DLCs
mossy flume
With anything Bethesda, I'll believe it when I see it.
I want to love Starfield, but I have low faith in it.
teal cliff
I don't really expect anything out of games Bethesda develops directly anymore.
most of what I like from them is published, not made
New Vegas, Arkane's games, ESO
mossy flume
Deathloop was great
teal cliff
yeah
Honestly underrated
a lot of people kinda shit on it
I'm glad it got the industry attention it deserved, good reviews and nominations for game awards
white phoenix
I think people were annoyed at it due to how many times it would appear in gaming presentations while they were expecting new games
I don't think it deserved the amount of hate it got though
green fulcrum
I honestly didn't hear much from Deathloop after it was released, and then suddenly it was on the Game Awards show getting nominated and I was like "What."
river veldt
I feel like we get a few of these "good AAAs" every year and it doesn't usually ...
it is kind of odd 
i feel like most of the games ive played this year don't have microtransactions
slim thorn
I've definitely played games that have them and either not noticed or immediately forgot about them because it wasn't disruptive or hilariously evil or whatever
like, apparently RE4 remake has some? added in DLC later? I dunno, it was certainly not an issue when I played the game
teal cliff
it is kind of odd <:ppenk:681838745611141137> i feel like most of the games ive ...
People don't always point it out too
like
The Last of Us 2 didn't have any microtransactions
certainly didn't hear about that over all of the uh... "discourse"
😬
white phoenix
yeah that whole ordeal was annoying af, in the same vein as the amount of complaining the star wars sequels got
fresh bane
Capcom did it as well with DMC4 SE and DMC5 where they basically put in microtransactions that give you a bunch of in game points or directly unlock stuff that you could otherwise get normally
slim thorn
maybe the narrative attached to BG3 in particular because a D&D-based CRPG is also the sort of genre you don't expect AAAs to make any more (although it's had a sort of resurgence through indie crowdfunding)
fresh bane
Not the most intrusive or evil microtransaction and they're never super advertised at all other than the store option in menus but still kinda sucks they do it
slim thorn
I feel like that kind is probably harmless in theory... assuming we trust them not to screw up the game's difficulty balancing for it
when they're added in post-launch DLC maybe we can assume that?
I dunno, my life has been completely unaffected by microtransactions for most of the time "the gamer discourse" has been complaining about them, since they most affect genres I don't want to play anyway
fresh bane
For me it has always been less about it affecting games I directly play, though that has happened, but more about The Slippery Slope ™️ and AAA studios getting too comfy with the idea of charging players extra for a game they already purchased and payed for and designing games around that
slim thorn
yeah I avoid applying that label to myself... at least since GamerGate, maybe before that even
certainly after it became obvious to me that these days nearly everyone plays a game or two once in a while
white phoenix
arachnophobic
river veldt
yeah
slim thorn
For me it has always been less about it affecting games I directly play, though ...
I definitely used to feel that way, but then years passed without it happening to anything I play, so now I just kinda don't care much
plus, it seems like the games which do get them have already gone all the way down the slippery slope, broken down into the caves below and kept right on going
river veldt
my mainline Marios don't seem to have any signs of adding horrific microtransactions
slim thorn
...do BotW/TotK's amiibo bonuses count as microtransactions? 
fresh bane
Yesn't because they're not specifically for BOTW or TOTK but any and most games that support extra amiibo content asides from it just sitting there as a figure you buy
slim thorn
of course I wasn't even aware those existed until I saw speedrunners use them, so it's not like they affected my playthrough at all
fresh bane
They're a form of paywalled bonus content inside a game you already paid for but since you don't buy them inside the game I don't know
slim thorn
"sadly your horse cannot normally teleport, but we can summon it by abusing the Epona amiibo"
fresh bane
I'm still mad they didn't include the ancient saddle...
slim thorn
expansion packs
it is super weird that both games have all of this horse stuff in them when the horses are almost useless, especially in TotK, and letting them warp around with you would be all you need to make them useful
fresh bane
really the horses in these games are only used as much as you're attached to them yourself when I was finishing up my playthrough and doing all the stuff that was left to do before the final quest one of the things I did was put a little stable on the back of my house to put my horse in just so I wouldn't leave her hanging around random points at the map or in storage all the time
river veldt
i ride my horsies all the time :3
fresh bane
Elden Ring knew that this sort of thing would become a 'problem' and made it so that the horse disappears when you're not riding it, it appears when you want to ride it, and it can double jump for extra mobility
slim thorn
I tried taking a horse around with me a few times in TotK, but I kept having to abandon it so fast to do anything that I just had to give up on the idea
river veldt
sure but riding horses is fun
slim thorn
I want to ride a real horse again
river veldt
i have been playing Mario Odyssey lately and the Bowser amiibo almost feels like cheating
slim thorn
what does it do?
fresh bane
shoots bowser in the face 
/s
fresh bane
I want to ride a real horse again
again? 
river veldt
what does it do?
when you hold right d pad and scan the Bowser amiibo it shows the location of purple coins
but only one purple coin but since they are all in clusters
and there is no cool down
what is your favourite outfit
slim thorn
again? <:flutterooh:630400755479609365>
#tailchat message
teal cliff
amiibos are interesting
river veldt
i like the classic outfit (the one from Donkey Kong), the Super Mario 64 outfit, and the Satellaview suit
gaunt marten
It is really cheating. You straight up get an ability that you can't get otherwise. This has been a problem with previous Amiibos too
fresh bane
https://discord.com/channels/98609319519453184/160097058261303296/10239353252586...
I heard bonding and getting to know a horse is important before riding it so they learn to trust you and know you better, probably feels nice to befriend a horse like that 
if anything because then they will trust you enough to not cave your face in with a kick or run at mach 10 speeds with you still on their back
slim thorn
well there was one time the horse skipped straight from trot to gallop when I was only supposed to be cantering
turns out they get overexcited sometimes
fresh bane
Press L to soothe 
As much as I would love to I doubt I'll ever ride a horse in my life
not only because I'd have to go out of my way to even go anywhere where I'd have the chance to but also they're pretty big animals and kinda scary
slim thorn
true, but like any other outdoors-y thing, if you pay attention to the safety instructions, and the actual horse, you'll be fine
half the horses in TotK are worse behaved than the ones they'd let a novice ride irl
you know what every video game horse system is really missing
the part where you clean/groom the horse before/after riding
all that brushing is so calming, and helps with that whole horse/rider bond thing
river veldt
crying that the funny horse was deleted
slim thorn
I've never understood fishing minigames, but I feel like a horse brushing minigame would just click for me because I've actually done that
slim thorn
I think Cap gets them?
gaunt marten
Fishing is an inherently boring activity
river veldt
i looooooooooove fishing minigames
gaunt marten
You have to wait until you get a catch and there's not much you can do to actively speed it up
river veldt
yeah it's relaxing
gaunt marten
You can make entertaining fishing minigames, and you can make accurate fishing minigames but you can't make both
river veldt
they should put a fishing minigame in the next Doom
slim thorn
the last time I saw Tale playing Persona it was hilarious hearing her yell at the fish which weren't biting quickly
gaunt marten
My favorite fishing minigame is in hades
Least favorite is the Digimon World 1 fishing minigame
river veldt
forever sad BotW and TotK don't have fishing, instead Link has to grab them with his hands like the feral animal he is
slim thorn
true, Hades' was simple and quick enough that it never felt like much of a chore
fresh bane
all that brushing is so calming, and helps with that whole horse/rider bond thin...
Yeah that's what I remember hearing
They make you brush their hair and groom them before riding 
sounds nice
slim thorn
I still have the muscle memory of "one hand on the horse at pretty much all times"
rose rose
They make you brush their hair and groom them before riding <:sunnybeam:89110480...
This is definitely not my recollection 
fresh bane
Take what I say with a grain of salt since i have no experience with horses and I don't exactly remember where I heard/read this
slim thorn
and it may well have been past me
rose rose
I never went to Horse Camp, but I did grow up taking regular riding lessons in the English countryside, and I do not remember there being much bonding preamble to it.
My sister was sufficiently Horse Girl to actually own a horse for a while and that was of course significantly more involved
teal cliff
Okay so I'm out of my match and can share my thoughts on amiibos and in game purchases now!
I think that they're normally always a questionable idea when they effect gameplay because you gotta consider; is the game balanced around you using the in game purchase, or not? Because either way one side will have unbalanced gameplay.
I think most games balance it around you buying it, so not buying it feels bad
Amiibo bonuses are strange bc the games feel balanced around you not buying them
thus it unbalances the game too much in your favor
fresh bane
I never went to Horse Camp, but I did grow up taking regular riding lessons in t...
It may have been more a case of ''it helps to do so and so before riding'' for anyone who has horses or plans to have a horse rather than a necessity or something anytime a person wanted to ride a horse for the first time, again since I don't remember where I heard this from I can't say exactly 
slim thorn
in the past this question was usually about preorder bonuses, and basically all the same arguments apply
rose rose
I would generally take the view that being able to optionally unbalance the game in my favour is fine. Especially with the substantial intentionality required to physically scan a figurine on a controller for every use
(a figurine that you may well just collect because it is a cool object. I feel like people do that a lot more than they do it with the intention of actually using them in gameplay.)
gaunt marten
Yeah, my problem is if you only want the functionality the figurine gives and can't really shell out fifty dollars for something that should be part of the game
rose rose
I would agree that the game being unbalanced against me unless I pay up is bad
slim thorn
my opinion is that for the most part, unlocking something early that the game is designed around you not having early is unlikely to improve the game experience, and I think most people kinda get that
which is why I agree with the claim that amiibo purchases are probably mostly about the statues anyway
dire gate
The only people who really cared about the in-game beneficial those merchs give were AC people
slim thorn
even if I did preorder a game for some reason I'd rather not apply any of the weird bonuses they come with
dire gate
and it wasn't balance related
slim thorn
I would rather cheat codes went back to being actual cheat codes / settings that you just apply directly to the game whenever you feel like it, and presumably not on a first playthrough, but at least so far I've yet to play a game that felt like it was balanced around some external purchase I had not made
more common IME is a game seemingly just bungling the difficulty of certain sections in a much more mundane sense
quiet swift
[POWEROVERWHELMING]
slim thorn
besides, starting the game with 10 extra phoenix downs or whatever is never going to be the difference between fun and not fun; if an encounter (or puzzle or whatever) is not fun due to a design issue then me throwing extra items at it (or looking up answers) is a workaround to get on with the rest of the game, not a solution to the original it-wasn't-fun problem
dire gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK8ejTF8Mw8 Well at least someone found a way to use all those amiibos
teal cliff
I remember I saw an advertisement for Days Gone
didn't say what the game was like
didn't say what you did
literally opened with
"Pre order to receive an upgraded gas tank and more powerful weapons. Days Gone."
That does not sell me on a video game??? lol
It made me want to avoid it because the advertisement literally just said that we have pre order game upgrades.
hushed onyx
I would rather cheat codes went back to being actual cheat codes / settings that...
Oddly, the first time I played through Knights of the Old Republic was with cheats, although I did it later "for real" (several times, actually)
teal cliff
I would rather cheat codes went back to being actual cheat codes / settings that...
I cheat at games all the time, including on my first playthrough
I don't really like it when games are hard
slim thorn
was that in a "I want a lower difficulty level than the default" sense, or for some other reason?
(obv I think the proper fix for that is more games having better 'easy' and/or 'story mode' difficulties)
gaunt marten
Sometimes I just want a sandbox mode
It's much more different than just an easy difficulty, so I bust out the memory editor and change the parts of game I want
thorny loom
The Last of Us 2 didn't have any microtransactions
Hard to have micro transactions in what is essentially a playable movie
astral steeple
Lol what
apparently the china version of PUBG Mobile is doing a sonic the hedgehog collab
teal cliff
Hard to have micro transactions in what is essentially a playable movie
Don't lay down a challenge.
before you know it visual novels will have real time delays you acn pay to skip
dense crypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kNi3cLB0sI
i smell a take hotter than the sun but i dont want to watch the video
dense crypt
hotter than the sun it up
gaunt marten
It purports that RPGs are about characters changing and improving. Not necessarily through roleplaying but sometimes by mechanics or other ways
dense crypt
oh so its being vague on purpose and suggesting something wild to bring in the views
gaunt marten
The ancient art of clickbait
dense crypt
glad you summed it up for me
gaunt marten
It's just a video that explores how roleplaying games evolved from their origins in Dungeons and Dragons in various directions
slim thorn
#Pentiment: interesting way to epically fail a persuasion check; I guess I'm actually happy that ||he won't leave because oops I was nice to him||
go Paul 
, that was a long time coming
gaunt marten
Imagine the idiots who birth a living baby and name it Casper.
teal cliff
what about Caspar
teal cliff
Okay so I'm having a particular frustration with Exoprimal that I haven't had in a game in a while
being a healer feels like trash beacuse all of the bosses kill players in one hit.
Like, you're either fighting little mobs that barely do any damage and thus healing is super easy or you're fighting a trex and theres no point where you even get to heal because anyone it hits is going to be dead
so I have like, an ultimate that resets my team to full HP, but no time where thats necessary
I wonder if it's because I'm currently low-level and thus my teammates and I do not have defensive equipment yet. I'd think that boss damage would scale similarly to defense and health from players but maybe in the late game its different, and people can actually live a tricerotops slam to get healed.
dense crypt
i've heard nothing good about the game
nor nothing at all
except that its just another crappy live service game
sage iris
dense crypt
rain world is the first thing i thought of
same with pikmin, monster hunter, and The Surge
visual hill
heh, EA App fails to start Jedi Fallen Order on my end, but luckily…
unfortunately, progress done with the EA app is not shared, so I have to restart my playthrough, it seems
nevermind, I had to copy my save files from one path to another
gaunt marten
I love DRM-free games just for this reason
visual hill
JFO was accidentally made DRM-free, it's very unlikely to be intentional. Only the Steam version is this way
(Jedi Survivor hasn't received the same treatment)
sage iris
I just realized the joke in jolly wangcore's name 
gaunt marten
What joke?
sage iris
read the word "wangcore" slowly
dense crypt
whale oil beef hooked
thorny loom
dense crypt
ruined
gaunt marten
read the word "wangcore" slowly
Still no clue
sage iris
it's 'wanker' but in an australian accent
gaunt marten
Oh I thought it was more like wangcore in the same vein as Nightcore, cottagecore and so on
visual hill
whoa, there are Eevee and Baby Yoda fusions in Jedi Fallen Order
slim thorn
yep, the boglings even made it into the sequel
quiet swift
wind stump
Triple Triad and Caravan cards in MTG?????
hidden elbow
I'm getting Overwatch flashbacks
Pfffff ,imagine "team play" in a command base multiplayer heh
Virgin : play as team understanding and helping each others
Chad : every single player does its own thing while relentlessly screaming in the microphone
slim thorn
technically there are no weebs in Gensokyo until the real world forgets weebs exist 
visual hill
this enemy is venting, it's pretty sus
(he's supposed to be on the other end, but I aggro'd him through the grate and when I went back to the room, he phased through the grate)
slim thorn
#Pentiment: I wasn't emotionally prepared to for this change to the map 
quiet swift
Error 37 wants a word with you
slim thorn
one of my favorite kinds of bug ticket at work is "this alarm someone set up 10 years ago on request volume just tripped, but these days that's just how many people are using your app so I guess we'll just turn that alarm of"
well that was at least partially D3's own fault for locking single player behind the servers
bleak lintel
Really glad to see a CRPG so high up.
slim thorn
I kinda hope the gamer discourse™️ veers into "so 'CRPG' is a really strange term now, what should we call these things?" for a bit
bleak lintel
CRPG, WRPG and JRPGs are a bit dated, even the tag RPG isn't that great these days.
slim thorn
indeed
if someone sincerely asked me to define "CRPG" I'd unironically go with something like "back-in-my-day RPG"
the very term "Computer RPG" only makes sense in an era where tabletop was still the default way of RPGing
teal cliff
Pfffff ,imagine "team play" in a command base multiplayer heh
please just stand in the circle I'm gonna sob
slim thorn
though maybe the bigger problem is "RPG" itself being a poor descriptor
bleak lintel
That's becuase RPG doesn't infer roleplaying anymore, it is more a progression system using exp and levels.
Which is pretty common in all genres now.
slim thorn
yep, much of what used to make RPGs unique has become standard in all genres
leaving the genre itself dangerously close to being paradoxically defined as a retro throwback instead of one of the more hybrid modern games
river veldt
CRPG stands for computer roleplayinf game ,,,???? what ?????????
slim thorn
I know, right?
it's like when TV Tropes was actually just about TV
CRPG is definitely paradoxically defined as a retro throwback now
bleak lintel
When these terms came about, RPG games on PC tend to be stuff like Baldur's gate 1 and 2.
JRPGs were on the consoles.
WRPGs were Morrowind, there were others but it's been so long i've forgotten their names.
dire gate
U l t i m a
bleak lintel
Sierra has a ton of stuff before EA sent them to the grave yard.
slim thorn
I thought W/J came later than C, in particular the earliest Cs were from that time when only PC had anything like RPGs and MMOs, much less both, and consoles were still getting established
though I guess there's overlap, considering "classic CRPGs" extend into the 90s when all of these were around
dire gate
Games like Ultima and Wizardry comes almost at the beginning of the timeline
Wizardry is known to be very popular in Japan once and affected JRPGs significantly
Now what is the first JRPG, that is debatable, but the first game that is generally considered to have created the standard of modern JRPG is thought to be Dragon Quest(1986)
So yes, JRPG comes after CRPG
Dragon Quest itself is known to be significantly affected by Ultima and Wizardry.
slim thorn
yeah, my mental image of "JRPG" will always be Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy
teal cliff
How would you guys define jrpg anyways?
dire gate
rpg from Japan
teal cliff
because its not just a japanese roleplaying game, as the name might suggest, if that were true dark souls would be a jrpg
dire gate
I personally don't use the term jrpg unless it is necessary in context
slim thorn
the most verbose I ever got on this is probably #1032716748887179434 message
but at a high level I think "JRPG" is more like an art movement than a taxonomic category
as in it's best defined by a cluster of similar works, particularly at a time period when that was very easily distinguished from other clusters, and it loses its clarity and usefulness as time goes on and the world shifts
true maple
Eh, shift happens
slim thorn
yep
I don't think anyone gains greater insight into the artistic merits of Dark Souls by arguing whether or not it's technically a "JRPG"
much like whether ATLA is an "anime"
bleak lintel
JRPGs were originally turn based games like the first 10 Final Fantasy games and Dragon Quest
But they weren't grid based like CRPGs
hushed onyx
I don't think anyone gains greater insight into the artistic merits of Dark Soul...
You may gain greater insight into the historical processes that led to Dark Souls though
slim thorn
I've never thought of crpgs as "grid-based" but I see what you mean
bleak lintel
The problem with these terms is games are far more complex these days. You can't define Elden Ring with one tag.
hushed onyx
which is quite possibly more interesting and valuable than anything about "artistic merit" (which is completely subjective and not really amenable to discourse IMHO)
teal cliff
The problem with these terms is games are far more complex these days. You can't...
I mean, I think you could
it's an action rpg
That doesn't tell you everything you need to know but that is what it is.
slim thorn
indeed, even that example already demonstrates the problem with "RPG"
teal cliff
Yeah the term roleplaying game itself is wack and applies to a billion unrelated concepts.
slim thorn
by the time I was playing video games there were no "just RPGs" any more, it was seemingly always an action RPG or a JRPG (which in retrospect is obviously a flawed dichotomy but)
teal cliff
but like, I can tell you exactly which parts of Elden Ring qualify it as an RPG
dire gate
And thus I cannot care less about the term jrpg. as a matter of fact I was the one saying "well Yoshi P was probably a bit aggressive but I can kind of see why he is so angry about the word jrpg" up there
bleak lintel
Elden Ring is more of a Soulsborne genre, but even that doesn't define it because it is open world unlikethe others.
teal cliff
soulsborne isn't a genre imo.
its internet shorthand but its not a real quantifiable genre of video game
slim thorn
"open world soulslike" does get pretty close, but calling a Fromsoft game a "soulslike" kinda feels like cheating
hushed onyx
by the time I was playing video games there were no "just RPGs" any more, it was...
Those are just subcategories of RPG, though? It's like saying "by the time I was doing chemistry there were no 'just elements' any more, it was halogens or alkalis or whatever" but--a halogen or an alkali is just a category of element...
slim thorn
especially since "soulslike" quickly became such a meaningless term that I never used it unironically without at least a second word to clarify
teal cliff
I only really use the term soulslike when I'm referring to a game that is very obviously trying to be a lot like Dark Souls: IE, the Surge
and even then it isn't a genre.
bleak lintel
You need the term soulslike because action rpgs cover stuff like DA2 where you just press X for something to cool to happen.
hushed onyx
"Soulslike," in my observation, mostly means "this is a game which is hard" with a secondary and weaker meaning of "this is a game which is hard but you can git gud"
bleak lintel
Souls games are smilar to Monster Hunter where the combat is much slower and you get punished for button smashing.
teal cliff
<a:yaebounce_chickenjagoo:1079379261384818738> You need the term soulslike becau...
Just because a game has intricate combat doesn't make it a Soulslike.
Monster Hunter is not a Soulslike
bleak lintel
You're making the point that we can't define games with one tag.
slim thorn
I think that's what people usually think they mean by it, but it's always trying to get at more than that just that, since of course no one applies it to "normal" shooters or metroidvanias or puzzle games that can also be plenty hard
It used to be an arena.
slim thorn
like, Hollow Knight gets the souls comparison but not Ori, and there are some good reasons for that, which is why I like to say "narratively soulslike" when it comes up
dire gate
MH is still not a full open-world
hushed onyx
like, Hollow Knight gets the souls comparison but not Ori, and there are some go...
🤷♂️ I have no idea what these "good reasons" are because I've never played either of those games or any "soulslike" game. I would be perfectly happy calling Ori "soulslike" if it's hard but you can get good with practice.
slim thorn
well I figured "narratively" would make that part pretty obvious
but separately
I've never liked treating "hard" as some kind of genre descriptor because that usually has more to do with the player than the game
hushed onyx
well I figured "narratively" would make that part pretty obvious
Well, no, because I've never heard of "soulslike" as implying any kind of narrative content. I guess you mean some kind of dystopian or downer feel? But you could just say "it's dystopian or downer" then.
slim thorn
it's much more specific than that but sure broadly
dire gate
Official) Ixrec announces that Soulslike genre is just Skill Issue, gitgud 
slim thorn
like, Fallout is not narratively soulslike
hushed onyx
(Also, like I said I've never played any of the games you're talking about, so I really have no earthly clue what you could possibly mean by "narratively soulslike")
slim thorn
hold on a sec I was pulling some quotes
hushed onyx
like, Fallout is not narratively soulslike
Well, Fallout also does not really have a "dystopian or downer feel". The dystopian stuff is usually backgrounded in the sense that it's literally history and explains why the world is the way it is, but the actual actions and adventures you have in the game itself are generally upbeat and positive and work on making the world a better place (unless you, like, side with Caesar's Legion or whatever).
slim thorn
Ixrec — 11/16/2022 9:12 PM
the short version is yes: part of the genre is that the narrative is often set in a declining, often post-apocalyptic world where the reason you run into monsters to fight every five feet is because the world really is an awful place; typically how things got this way is a key mystery of the story told either indirectly through the environment/enemies/mechanics, or directly but only in pieces by the few surviving characters who you maybe can't fully trust
Hollow Knight and Blasphemous are perfect examples of this narrative style outside of the Soulsbornes literally made by FROM Software
the other corollary I really like is that these "narrative Soulslikes" typically have multiple endings, with at least one perpetuating the vicious cycle of decay and at least one (maybe? partially?) breaking the cycle, and you have to do a lot of exploration and paying attention to stand any chance of getting the "better" ending, and it's up to player interpretation whether it even is better or just harder to get
(I believe this applies to every FROM Soulsbourne, it definitely does to HK and Blasphemous)
incidentally, Jedi: Fallen Order would be an example of a game that people often call a Soulslike, but doesn't do most of these narrative tropes
yeah, I think Fallout is a good example of "dystopian but not (narratively) soulslike" because the tone is much more lighthearted or optimistic, there's no cycle thing going on, there are a lot more people in the world being far less cryptic, etc
dire gate
What I personally see from the core of "Soulslike" is Unkindness.
When the game doesn't really bother and just throw you "skill issue, git gud and try again lol"
hushed onyx
Anyway, I have to go and figure out what I actually want to play in the near future
slim thorn
indeed, but that is so incredibly subjective that whether I get that vibe has almost nothing to do with whether people apply that label to the game or not
dire gate
I rather think that people don't really care about narrative when they say "oh this game is like souls"
slim thorn
well, people being incredibly inconsistent about the term is really the whole problem
but still, some do mean the narrative stuff
dire gate
It is rather a very specific type of games which are action based RPG-like and is very unkind about getting used to the mechanics.
slim thorn
and others mean the specific mechanics like bonfire + estus flask + enemies respawn after save, or blocking drains finite recharging stamina
and then others use "soulslike" to mean things like "has a parry button" or "has shortcuts to areas you've been before" which I can only rationally explain as some people having not played a video game before Dark Souls
which leads to the current mess
the narrative aspect is just a lot less messy in practical usage
dire gate
You eventually get better as you get used to the mechanics. But the game never really seriously bothers to explain you what to do
grim stirrup
the important soulslike merit; has a dodge roll and you hit stuff
teal cliff
I don't really think there's any reason to try to use soulslike as a genre instead of just describing the game in question
unless it is really similar to Dark Souls
slim thorn
indeed, in practice you're almost always better off using other terms with clearer meanings
dire gate
That is the general vibe I get from whatever game people call "Oh this is soulslike"
teal cliff
like I think calling Hollow Knight a souls like game is kind of dumb.
dire gate
I don't call a game soulslike, but that's what I generally see in common when people call a game soulslike.
teal cliff
Lords of the Fallen? Sure
Crash Bandicoot? please play another video game I'm begging you its not all just dark souls 😭
slim thorn
Hollow Knight is also a perfect example of the ambiguity
teal cliff
Hollow Knight is a Metroidvania though
slim thorn
HK has all the narrative tropes, it has the bonfire + respawn thing, but it has none of the other Souls-y combat mechanics
Blasphemous is probably more Soulslike, as Metroidvanias go
teal cliff
Salt & Sanctuary is the most Soulslike of them all imo.
slim thorn
ah, I haven't gotten to trying that one
teal cliff
it effectively just has Dark Souls' combat mechanics but in 2d
rolling with iframes, blocking, the stamina, the magic system,
its fairly 1 to 1. just with a greater emphasis on verticality n such from its platforming elements.
but if you made 3D Salt & Sanctuary you'd just get a game that plays like Elden Ring with a ledge grab.
dire gate
Honestly Soulslike isn't even the worst term
imo it's more reasonable than something like BOTW-like
teal cliff
I just don't see the point in it I guess. People tend to use it to apply to a lot of modern games that have clearly traceable roots that are not Dark Souls
slim thorn
yep, I think it's just a recent one so we got to see it being annoying and now it's already backing off to more reasonable usage
teal cliff
for instance, FF7R/FF15
slim thorn
while "RPG" has been in a stable state of "no one's quite sure but we know it includes hoofwaves this stuff" for longer than I've been alive
teal cliff
yeah that ones a lot trickier.
slim thorn
imo it's more reasonable than something like *BOTW-like*
yeah... I'd save that for something which is really similar
Sable's the closest of what I've played but I wouldn't apply it even to that; it is an open world and has a very similar climbing system, but there's no combat at all, among other differences
teal cliff
BOTW-like and Souls-like seem equally unhelpful to me.
I'd say Genshin Impact obviously took inspiration from BOTW
slim thorn
oh right that's a fair one
I don't play any of the gatcha skinner boxes so I always forget how they work
teal cliff
I quit Genshin as well but yeah
dire gate
Genshin is in a weird spot
teal cliff
its overworld exploration is very obviously copied]
dire gate
Where by how you view it, it simply looks straight up botw or it looks like a different game
It's so significantly and obviously the same but at the same time so significantly and obviously different
slim thorn
and then TotK added literal in-universe gacha machines
dire gate
Wow nintendo how can you dare copy genshin
teal cliff
It gets even more complicated when you look at live service games within the same genre
because they will actively steal from eachother as time goes on
like how Apex came out after Fortnite, combining battle royal and hero shooter elements, and then fortnite (in the words of the lead systems designer, "We saw they had a good ping system, so we stole it.")
so Apex took stuff from Fortnite and then Fortnite took stuff back
dire gate
I could not stop laughing when League of Legends instantly copied the Auto Chess
teal cliff
yeah
slim thorn
it's not a proper intergenerational story until the animals have canon descendants
thorny loom
white phoenix
Don't know if a milsim like Arma 3 would be something you'd like?
teal cliff
don't most people play that pvp?
white phoenix
Most of the time, it's against ai
although pvp is in some gamemodes
most of the milsim is pve
quiet swift
@teal cliff had a chance to go through that list of games I suggested? Any catch your eye?
teal cliff
I did look through but unfortunately none of them seemed like something for me.
I can have kind of weird things that put me off of a game.
quiet swift
That's fair! Just was throwing out names that might not be some of the more run of the mill suggestions
teal cliff
I appreciate the suggestions at least ^^
quiet swift
teal cliff
I wanna throw pillows at whoever is in charge of how steam tags work
I'm trying to browse the cooperative tag and it is ALL PVP
5v5 pvp games are not cooperative games! You are fighting other players!
wind stump
i meannnn
you are co-operating
I have a suggestion
it's not a PvP game i swear
Did you know that the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial, and includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 with no restrictions on playtime?
green fulcrum
you are co-operating
You can cooperate. You can sure attempt to! 
slim thorn
why is that still funny
dense crypt
Because, like rickrolls, you never see it coming
wind stump
ok look it is a serious suggestion aside from the meme
teal cliff
ok look it is a serious suggestion aside from the meme
I have unfortunately played a little over... I think close to 4000 hours at this point?
I do not like FFXIV.
wind stump
oof
uneven epoch
i didn't watch the dt stream but i think it was mentioned by someone in the thread
wind stump
fair enough then 
teal cliff
not sure why it took me that long to come to that conclusion but at least I can say I gave the game a fair chance 
wind stump
i may or may not be Based and Eorzea pilled
young creek
reminds me of those steam reviews
"this game is dogshit"
800 hours played as of time writing
teal cliff
my ffxiv review on steam is actually like 8 paragraphs long
I suppose playing a game for that long gives you a lot to say about it lol
mossy flume
I wanna throw pillows at whoever is in charge of how steam tags work
Same. Steam’s interpretation of “Roguelikes” is extremely generous to the point of absurdity and straight up wrongness.
teal cliff
Its kind of unfortunate how I feel like I have the most to say about games that I don't actually like
or at least, games that are mixed bags.
Bc if a game is just, really good on all fronts, I find it hard to elaborate
river veldt
Binding of Isaac is a good roguelike
teal cliff
but if a game is like, kinda fucked up but has some good parts, it takes me a lot more talking to get my point across
uneven epoch
i am gonna go now before my freshly started shb ass gets accidentally spoiled 
slim thorn
it is often the mixed bags that are the most interesting to critically analyze
wind stump
days without the FFXIV thread leaking: 0
slim thorn
though 4000 hours is an extreme case
teal cliff
even within those mixed bag games its that way
river veldt
i don't have 4000 hours in any game
teal cliff
like I don't have anything to say about the music in 14 beyond "it's great."
FFXIV has a great soundtrack. I can't really say much more other than phrasing that in different ways
river veldt
except maybe Minecraft if i added up all the hours between versions
slim thorn
it's extremely rare for me to go over 100 hours in any game
I just don't like any of the genres which go on that long
mossy flume
I do… from before Steam was a thing. 
wind stump
I could definitely write a lot about the music in 14
teal cliff
but if you ask me about the job design and balancing you better get real used to seeing "Justice is typing" lmao.
wind stump
Probably too much
dense crypt
I love its music, I will always cite it as why video game music can be awesome
river veldt
man i haven't played Isaac in forever
river veldt
ive been playing Mario Odyssey
mossy flume
Soken deserves to be considered one of the greatest game composers to have ever lived
His soundtrack for FFXIV is incredible
dense crypt
So good thst he's considered nobuo uematsu's successor
mossy flume
Yep
And indeed he worked closely with Nobuo for many years
And literally replaced him on the FFXIV project after everyone was fired for the 1.X disaster
green fulcrum
Did you know that the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV has a free t...
Actually, fun fact, this will soon include Stormblood too.
mossy flume
Soken and Uematsu worked together on the FFXVI soundtrack too, which is also really good
teal cliff
You know what I enjoy?
when a pvp game has bot matches that give you actual progression if you don't wanna play against people.
Thank you For Honor 🙏
and Heroes of the Storm.
which is weird because other games by those same companies do not do that
dense crypt
Heroes of the storm is still around?
teal cliff
Yes
I find it strange in HOTS Blizzard would give you fantastic vs AI options
and then in Overwatch its...
dense crypt
The only MOBA I would ever play tbh
teal cliff
and then For Honor gives you full progression for vs AI matches
and then in every single other Ubisoft multiplayer game its...
dense crypt
Garrosh is my ideal moba character
teal cliff
Rainbow 6 Siege doesn't even have real vs AI matches.
dense crypt
I'll play anyone who allows you to just throw yourself at people and not have to think
Played a bit of Abathur but I could never do PVP as him
teal cliff
Abathur s my main
dense crypt
That's funny
teal cliff
I only played him in PVP, he's very fun ;3
I love having global presence and great utility.
dense crypt
I always did a build based on thst super minion he can make, just farm to max stacks and start slapping people to death with it
teal cliff
It is really strong but its often bad in PVP if you're not on a 3 lane map
it needs to hang out alone for a while
like on Towers of Doom if you take that ult you're basically playing without an ultimate.
dense crypt
I'll just stick to Garrosh
... if I EVER play the game again
Which is super unlikely
I dont want to give Blizzard a single second of my time
I'd play Deathwing too BTW dudes a raid boss
teal cliff
I didn't care for playing him, he felt slow.
and I mean, he is slow, thats part of his deal
but I don't like that much
quiet swift
800 hours played as of time writing
dense crypt
OH YEAH I also loved that minigun guy, from starcraft
young creek
quiet swift
You were an order of magnitude off there 
mossy flume
I wish I could go to a FFXIV fanfest and see the concert, but those tickets sell out in seconds every year. 
teal cliff
OH YEAH I also loved that minigun guy, from starcraft
Tychus?
teal cliff
I just
hate steam tags
so much
"hide PVP games please"
oh yeah no PVP games here
river veldt
that's 708 days 
quiet swift
I mean, I think I have 800+ days in WOW but that's over about 20 years now
teal cliff
Also like, I'm looking at Hero Shooter, Co-op, hide PVP
river veldt
what game is that for
teal cliff
why are these games here they're not hero shooters
TF2 kind of is, Cod literally isn't
quiet swift
what game is that for
Apparently it was ARK: Survival Evolved.
river veldt
waow
teal cliff
oh they probably counted as always having the game running bc they were hosting a server on their machine
green fulcrum
I always love seeing reviews like these, lol.
"Shitty game, 0/10. I wouldn't feed it to my dog. Still recommend it though."
teal cliff
that happened to me with conan exiles
I played the game for legit about 4 hours but bc I had the server open for two weeks I have a few hundred hours in it
teal cliff
huh
I tried a new battle royal I've never played before and I immediately got a monstrous first place. I think I was playing against actual kids on ipads
I single handedly killed over half of the field, and I am pretty bad at shooters.
dense crypt
which game
teal cliff
Farlight 84
I got first place again, 29 kills this time
out of 56 total enemy players
The other teams are hardly even killing eachother, they just wander around, die to leaving the zone sometimes, or bump into me and die
I Think out of the people I didn't kill only around 6 were killed by other players, including by my 4 squadmates.
Overall the gameplay is too 1:1 with fortnite for me to be interested in playing more it was just pretty weird to see how kinda easy it was for a pvp game
astral steeple
yeah it seems to be like a cross between overwatch and fort
teal cliff
I was hoping for more overwatch less fortnite.
astral steeple
lol
feral tulip
quiet swift
I saw a recent article saying that the PS5 preorders for it are surging, probably because of all this news
astral steeple
this is so cursed lol
teal cliff
Just gonna throw this out there, looking for people to play PC games with!
So, my currently installed multiplayer games are:
Guilty Gear Strive, Guilty Gear Rev 2, Blazblue Centralfiction, Warframe, Starbound, Terraria, Minecraft, Risk of Rain 2, League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Exoprimal, Magic the Gathering (via the Cockatrice program),
Multiplayer games I am interested in playing/willing to install:
Overwatch, GTA 5, Tekken 7, Payday 3 (when it comes out, I do not have beta), Elder Scrolls Online, Soulborne games, Borderlands, Dead Island, For Honor, Red Dead Online, Starcraft 2, SWTOR, DC Universe Online, Baldur's Gate 3.
rare garden
Should I delete Enlisted in order to play Payday 2?
white phoenix
Just gonna throw this out there, looking for people to play PC games with!
So, m...
Manechat has a minecraft server, if you're interested
it's in the pins here
https://discordapp.com/channels/98609319519453184/1032723658940096592
uneven epoch
you can also take a look around in the threads for some of those games, maybe you'll find a party
gaunt marten
The game looks super generic but it looks good
gaunt marten
Send her dog to college and make her say goodbye
dire gate
wind stump
dire gate
English Text version
It's so hilarious when he goes full English mode during the Japanese lines
To-ho- PROJECT
wind stump
wintry canopy
I somehow managed to win a duel against a labyrinth deck that had four back row and a Arch fiend with Dragonmaids.
I may have also ruined a pendulum players day, I turn one set torrential tribute passed. I nuke their board and they surrendered.
teal cliff
I haven't played pendulums since the new master rule when links came out
genuinely felt like they trashed the mechanic tbh, which was the point because links were the new beans on the block.
teal cliff
Just gonna throw this out there, looking for people to play PC games with!
So, m...
Also good morning manechat gaming channel, if anyone wants to play these games I'm around ^^
dire gate
I heard that Rush Duel is coming to Master Duel
teal cliff
pendulum and links were a mistake
This is fair.
But I still found Pendulums fun to play at least.
never cared for links.
unreal idol
I heard that Rush Duel is coming to Master Duel
It's coming to DL
wintry canopy
Kastira is coming to master duel on the 10th.
dire gate
Red Burning Switch
white phoenix
"Yeah not believing until rockstar announces it themsel- wait"
light gate
Such a bizarre announcement.
teal cliff
At least the switch can probably run it.
light gate
We don’t know that yet, it could run at 24 fps ‘cinematic mode’ heh, I’ll wait for the actual performance review.
white phoenix
Wait ps4 and not ps5 or pc?
light gate
YUP
teal cliff
Wait ps4 and not ps5 or pc?
PS5 is backwards compatible, so
but seemingly no PC release yes.
light gate
Rockstar literally said ‘fuck PC’, also technically you can play PS4 games on PS5.
white phoenix
Put it on pc ffs, its going to be in the same situation of being stuck on old hardware again in 10 years
light gate
Rockstar has a knack of doing PC absolutely last.
teal cliff
well they're 13 years late already.
white phoenix
Honestly, i forgot about that since they barely release games anymore lol
teal cliff
I'd be more offended if I liked any games Rockstar made.
light gate
Anyhoo, I’ll probably get it if the Switch port is good.
thorny loom
Would be funny if it runs on yuzu better than the ps3 emulator
teal cliff
A real possibility.
little badger
teal cliff
lol
dire gate
teal cliff
its him, its mayro
thorny loom
Mario concept art
river veldt
they are going fishing
young creek
Is yellow Yoshi canon?
dire gate
harsh kestrel
I mean... That's not the worst choice. At least it ain't the people who made the GTA San Andreas "Remastered" Edition for PS3 and Xbox 360 and the GTA Trilogy "Definitive" Edition
fickle garnet
They're still not releasing it on pc?
thorny loom
Nope
harsh kestrel
I guess they're allergic
thorny loom
Rockstar tends to do pc last
light gate
Is Twitter already throwing salt to the developers?
harsh kestrel
When is Twitter not more salty than an entire sea of salt water?
thorny loom
More than likely. Rockstar in-house is all hands on deck for gta 6. So they just outsourced this one
Especially since gta 5 turns 10 next month
harsh kestrel
GTA 5 turning 10 makes me feel old. That's shit came out when I was 13 lol
river veldt
https://twitter.com/videotechx/status/1688556135207321601
Minecraft Dungeons is good
teal cliff
its an ARPG right?
dire gate
It's a Diablock
river veldt
?
dire gate
(Me when my jokes don't work)
teal cliff
I get the joke
and yeah the diablo genre is arpgs
so good to know, its like diablo.
dire gate
Often called "Hack and Slash"
teal cliff
I'm not sure about that one
teal cliff
I usually see that genre applied to games like god of war more than diablo
Yeah it says it influenced RPGs but hack n slash games are not RPGs typically
wind stump
i love how the image is just
Completely unrelated
dire gate
Games like Diablo series or Path of Exile are also commonly considered as Hack and slash genre.
harsh kestrel
I surprisingly don't touch that game genre much
dire gate
Minecraft Dungeons may lack action a bit to be called Hack and Slash /j
teal cliff
Games like Diablo series or Path of Exile are also commonly considered as Hack a...
I have never heard them called that before.
dire gate
Well now you learned.
wind stump
is dark souls a hack and slash
teal cliff
I don't think so, but I also wouldn't call diablo that
They're both roleplaying games
wind stump
okay i know that Metal Gear Rising is a hack and slash
river veldt
MC Dungeons is less complex than Diablo but it's still really fun
teal cliff
okay i know that Metal Gear Rising is a hack and slash
It is, yes.
wind stump
You do a lot of slashing
and a LOT of hacking
teal cliff
Hack n slash most commonly refers to the third person action game genre
wind stump
and I don't mean the nerdy kind
teal cliff
God of War, Darksiders, MGR counts
dire gate
I mean it's your decision to count a game as a certain genre or not, but I just want to point out that Diablo series is very commonly and widely considered as Hack and Slash.
wind stump
like
i think it's a very literal interpritation of the genre name 
dire gate
wind stump
let's start calling Doom games "Demon Disembowlment Simuatiors"
teal cliff
its an ARPG as far as I can see
the only lists I see that include hack n slash also includes roguelike
which diablo literally is not
dire gate
Diablo 1 fits quite well as roguelite actually
teal cliff
afaik Diablo basically invented the ARPG genre
I've never played Diablo 1 but I would certainly never consider 2, 3, or 4 to be roguelikes.
fickle garnet
I don't think im gonna finish diablo 4
teal cliff
I guess "dungeon crawler" is also a genre
fickle garnet
Its gotten too repetitive
dire gate
I don't know what would be "enough" to tell that the term is widely used
Second one(Pathfinder one) is from IGN
teal cliff
The Pathfinder game in question is not even an action game?
it's like divinity original sin or pillars of eternity, you can't even manually attack... I'm so confused on what the people using this term qualify as a hack n slash game
dire gate
Like I honestly don't care about the specific definition anymore, I just wanted to say that it is somewhat widely used
teal cliff
oh its a different Pathfinder game, its not out yet.
that makes more sense, I thought they were calling Kingmaker or WOTR "hack n slash"
astral steeple
teal cliff
Pickaxes?
That is a hammer Bianca is holding.
I don't play fortnite I assume its considered a pickaxe I just mean like
physically its not that
fickle garnet
In game they're actually called harvesting tools
teal cliff
I see.
fickle garnet
But most people just call them pickaxes
teal cliff
Anyways cool, nice two choices for the WWE womens roster.
I would have liked Asuka but becky n bianca are cool.
slim thorn
I've never heard "hack and slash" used to imply any kind of RPGs
teal cliff
https://twitter.com/thegameawards/status/1688581749616349184 btw
The Game Awards announcing this?
did I miss a show today or something?
slim thorn
it's just the type of action going on in "Diablo is an action RPG"
dire gate
It is a surprisingly widely used term
teal cliff
I've never heard "hack and slash" used to imply any kind of RPGs
Neither have I but 
slim thorn
well, to be more clear, I've mostly heard it used on not-RPGs
dire gate
For some reason Diablo is thought to be the king of hack n slash arpg
teal cliff
well its the arpg
Isometric action rpgs almost always copy Diablo like, nearly 1 to 1
dire gate
I guess people just like adding words
slim thorn
historically, Diablo 1 popularized that subgenre, right?
ofc I have no clue who's king of it now
slim thorn
I mean, I've heard things about D3-4
teal cliff
games like Pathways into Darkness
slim thorn
right, so, basically Tunic
teal cliff
I mean, I've _heard things_ about D3-4 <:flutterhellodarkness:585599749726666762...
d4 is fine
teal cliff
the only bad diablo game is immortal and I simply ignore it.
bc its a shitty mobile spinoff that is very easy to ignore
static bluff
You don't have phones?
teal cliff
except for when it announced a brand new original class and baited me into thinking that the announcement was for Diablo 4
just "Coming to Diablo, the all new Blood Knight!"
and I guess that's not incorrect, the Blood Knight had never been in Diablo before, but still :/
the isometric ARPG genre is a complicate one to me bc I've never felt the need to play more than 1 of them
most of the time if you tell me a game is like a game I enjoy I will play it, but if a game is like diablo it specifically has to be better than diablo for me to find it worth playing.
slim thorn
have there been any "better than diablo"?
teal cliff
not that I've played personally.
static bluff
I'm enjoying d4, fwiw
teal cliff
Same here
dire gate
Path of Exile kind of tried
teal cliff
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have the same speedrun potential as D3
dire gate
But D2 is such a high hurdle
teal cliff
dungeon crawlers are a generally reptitive genre.
the end game loop is farming dungeons to find better gear to farm harder dungeons.
slim thorn
that's the main reason I haven't personally played any Diablo-adjacent games
fickle garnet
Its gotten boring
dire gate
It is yet another genre for "I am happy when numbers go up"
teal cliff
^
dire gate
Numbers go high brrr
teal cliff
finding it too repetitive is fair but if you're trying to find like
which is the best arpg
they're all repetitive so that's not a point against any particular one
slim thorn
yeah I think this is a narrower use of "arpg" than I'm used to
teal cliff
I'm specifically referring to isometric dungeon crawlers here
which almost entirely consists of Diablo and games trying to be Diablo
Other dungeon crawlers tend to have a bit more variety but games that go isometric almost always end up using Diablo's gameplay loop, it's kind of weird.
slim thorn
and in retrospect, back when I was just getting into games and learning all the genres, pretty much every "action RPG" (no one shortened it to just A) that I enjoyed was high enough on action that I could and did ignore a lot of the "RPG stuff"
teal cliff
That tends to be most of them that I've seen.
slim thorn
but that was also the time when suddenly every other AAA game had "RPG elements"
teal cliff
Oh wait I forgot one subgenre
Sometimes isometric dungeon crawlers do not use diablo's gameplay loop
Sometimes, they're roguelikes instead.
(Isometric roguelikes also tend to be bullet-hells or at least take inspiration from them but this is not required)
so I guess its like
if an isometric dungeon crawler lets you keep your progression, it will be through a diablo-like system
quiet swift
D4 is fun, but it has its issues. The endgame is atm too one note, buidls are ehh, the season is not very interesting (but they'll work on future ones with player feedback, this one was created coming up to launch)
static bluff
Agreed
quiet swift
Rewards also don't feel great. The battlepass rewards, even paid track, are shit looking compared to the store stuff
teal cliff
I don't even care for the store stuff, I like the armor I just have.
So there's a visual novel sale on steam rn, this was my haul
oh wait I forgot
there's one isometric dungeon crawler that is not a roguelike or a diablo styled game
its uh, its Boyfriend Dungeon
quiet swift
teal cliff
Boyfriend Dungeon rules
little badger
@graceful bridge @minor gorge 
minor gorge
little badger
@rare dew
light gate
Izzy: “Sunny, we need to cook!”
rare dew
looks like she already did
little badger
<:SunnyDeathStare:855705571498655745>
I didn’t make it but i downloaded the wrap for it. It’s pretty good 
static bluff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg0bGUdJ9hg This is amazing....
grim stirrup
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2187290/view/3666544940505937718?l=english @gaunt marten you asked for my opinion of this game when it released, honestly i could take it or leave it, i know most people liked it, but i prefer roguelikes/lites that dont have a a strong meta progression this very much does ~~and its going up 2 quid, idk if it has regional price in your region ~~
gaunt marten
Thanks
unreal idol
Why is this game so comfy to play
gaunt marten
It's small and self contained
Modern iterations keep trying to grow and grow and grow in terms of map size and other aspects and it's too much to keep track of
