general gaming

[rose rose]

And extremely hyped.

[random steppe]

Yeah the biggest failure of Cyberpunk was about setting expectations, than delivering a decent product

[rose rose]

For convenience, the top 17 I guess.

(From https://steamdb.info/charts/)

[river veldt]

nothing that surprising tbh

[mossy flume]

Alas, it was underbaked and they shipped it too early.

And potentially too ambitious for them

[random steppe]

I think the biggest question from that chart, is, why the fuck is Goose Goose duck there?

[rose rose]

I blame Twitch.

[mossy flume]

Was wondering the same

[random steppe]

Or rather, the 1st question is, "What the fuck is that?"
And after noticing that's an Among Us clone the previous question arise

[slim thorn]

the more one studies this chart the more dubious I am that the metric says anything discernible about a game

[rose rose]

It is a reasonable representation of popularity at any point in time.

Which is excellent meme game fodder

[quiet swift]

I think goose goose duck is indeed an among us variant, but it has built in modes (where people have roles and stuff) that among us needs mods for, I think

[mossy flume]

It is based on real-time Steam data, after all

Meme games on Twitch and YouTube let’s play land are always showing up there

[rose rose]

Also I assume there’s a bias to more recent games as the number of steam users increases.

[slim thorn]

that's part of what I was getting at

[random steppe]

Also games like Terraria, that has updated its game about 6 million times and it's so discounted that they pay you to buy it

[slim thorn]

over in movies, a lot of statistics are hard to make fair comparisons with not just because of inflation, but also because globalization in audiences and marketing and internetting caused a general trend of every year's biggest release to be bigger than the last year's release in terms of opening weekend and other time-sensitive metrics

so I wouldn't be surprised if video game statistics have a similar bias toward the most recent successes

[random steppe]

Timing is definitely a factor

But we know that

[rose rose]

Though I’m pretty sure that the number of steam gamers did not almost double between 2020 (peak Among Us, 447,476) and 2022 (peak Goose Goose Duck, 702,845)

I guess that’s closer to a 50% increase than doubling

It actually did almost exactly double

[slim thorn]

most of the games on these top whatever lists also hold no appeal to me personally, so it's hard for me to even speculate on what the numbers might mean

[random steppe]

If anything I would assume the amount of time people have to spend on games must have decreased between 2020, and 2022, for obvious reasons

[rose rose]

You would think that but you are apparently wrong by steam’s metrics

[random steppe]

Also I'm always a bit doubtful with how they count the amount of steam players.

[mossy flume]

Gaming land is inscrutable.

[rose rose]

I wonder how skewed the overall Steam in-game numbers get from idle games where people are just “in game” forever.

[slim thorn]

or people like me accidentally leaving games open when I'm not playing them

[random steppe]

I do leave games open a lot

Eyes the Elden Ring icon on the taskbar

[slim thorn]

I found a rock, and it gave me 5 XP

[slim thorn]

phew, finally found enough for a level up, so I can save scum whatever check I want now

why do I have a capitalist inner monologue

(Opt out)

huh, am I really stuck with only 3 thoughts unless I spend a skill point I could've used on actual skills?

[uneven epoch]

well, some thought are definitely worth the investment

[slim thorn]

you don't know what any of the bonuses are in advance though

(and so far half the bonuses are increasing how many skill point you can put into a skill)

finally, jump succeeded

...and Kim just climbed down

why didn't we have the option to do that after the jump check failed the first time

[slim thorn]

wait how did I do this

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

is this guy seriously refusing to speak to me if I remain standing

btw, I officially know my own name now

another fun comparison: in Planescape: Torment, the single greatest EXP gain in the entire game is 2 million exp from learning your own name at the very end of the story (given certain missable preconditions)

[slim thorn]

I wonder, is it even possible to get 100 real on day 1 or does Kim always have to bail you out? (I made it to 52.89)

[slim thorn]

maybe I wouldn't have gotten this comment if I didn't get stuck and re-scour the area twice for extra dialogue trees

[quiet swift]

See, double click for the win

[quiet swift]

There is a non Kim way, yes

[fresh bane]

Congratulations on remembering your own name

poor Kim, the things he has to deal with

[slim thorn]

in context it really didn't feel like an accomplishment lol

[fresh bane]

It's... progress

let's see if you can finish this investigation without getting so drunk you forget your own name and the current year again

|| in context, the reason why Harry drinks so much is quite sad now that I think about it though ||

[slim thorn]

I wish the task list separated the 15+ "maybe someday" tasks I have from the 2-3 "we actually know what to do next" tasks that are worth looking at

[fresh bane]

I mean to be fair every task is worth looking at

[quiet swift]

So far

[visual hill]

Stockholm Syndrome, the game

[icy crescent]

not many people are a fan of Owl i guess

[mossy flume]

I got that at 5.5% or so

And it seems nobody does stealth in this game because my rarest achievement is now 0.7% with the achievement to use protificus totalus on 50 enemies

Also yay, Ravenclaw

[rancid herald]

I've always found it a bit odd when I'm playing a game, seemingly normally, and find out that I've achieved something 'rare'

like, only slightly more than half of all players of Spiderman Miles Morales have apparently beat the game

[rose rose]

Most times I do this it’s just because the game is so new that everything is disproportionate.

[slim thorn]

same

I had a lot of <5%s when I played Dead Space remake

[rose rose]

I think this also tends to be the case for remasters or much-later releases (like everything Sony puts on Steam) - I suspect a lot of people buy Game They Liked but don’t care enough to get very far through it.

[slim thorn]

I also have a lot of <10%s for Planescape: Torment, which I imagine is because it's the sort of old game people bounce off or fail to find time to finish

[rose rose]

Also in this case it’s a weird design decision to have four mutually exclusive achievements for getting partway through the game. If you assume even distribution none of them is going to be much above 25% unless people go and replay it several times

[quiet swift]

That also depends on if its a choice or an achievement. I'm reminded of the Telltale games' choices and stuff

[rose rose]

I think some telltale games are the only ones I have every achievement for, because completing the game inherently does that.

[slim thorn]

I'm not sure there is a Steam game I have every achievement in

not aware of any easy way to find out

[gaunt marten]

https://youtu.be/L78OsPCYW9E

[quiet swift]

Not without going through your list of them and checking, I think. Unless there's a profile thing... hmm. Lemme see

Ah, no, you can do an achievement showcase on your profile, and one part is "perfect games"

And it will even tell you which

[slim thorn]

[quiet swift]

It gets better!

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/roTg69Q7RSw

Nintendo giving raises.... Nintendo pricing a remastered game at 40 dollars instead of 60?!

w...what timeline did I suddenly warp into?

[river veldt]

Nintendo giving raises despite lower profits is nothing new

[gaunt marten]

They always treated employees well

[quiet swift]

Yeah, Nintendo isn't American

The problem is more the japanese over-working culture instead

[icy crescent]

yep also just got that

stealth in Hogwarts Legacy is pretty fun actually

[light gate]

They have to, they need to keep their veteran developers. This is more of "keeping them" instead of seeking new people, I guarantee these folks are probably tired of Nintendo shenanigans.

This is quite similar to Apple in a way lol, they're losing veteran developers despite not laying people off and trying to keep them.

[craggy vine]

Trying to install sims 4 on my macbook. And origin is just as shit on macbook as it is on pc

Was contemplating installing on my desktop or my laptop but.. Fuck it, I'll use my macbook for gaming

Portable gaming!

Still curious to try HOI4 this this cpu speed

[uneven epoch]

imagine playin sims legally

[craggy vine]

Wait wah

Is it popular to pirate the sims or something?

[grim stirrup]

id imagine so considering the cost of all the dlc

cost higher crime higher

[craggy vine]

How much DLC is there?

[arctic fern]

Considering it costs hundreds of pounds to play the complete version of the game, that tracks

Lots

[craggy vine]

I have only ever really looked at the base game

I bought it like, maybe a few months after it came out

Played it on a 2gb ram laptop back in the day

Wonder what the load times are now. And if there is a mod to get rid of them. A 1 minute load screen to go to the house next door was so bullshit

[arctic fern]

It's still bullshit

[craggy vine]

Sims 3 did it better

[arctic fern]

Everyone hates that

[grim stirrup]

according to the first article on google which im gonna trust, £910 roughly

[craggy vine]

Jesus fuck

[arctic fern]

Sounds about right

[grim stirrup]

apparently "theyre freuently discounted" but if its like 50% thats still 405

[arctic fern]

Yep

[grim stirrup]

wpuld have to check steamdb for realistic estimate, and i dunno if they have a "all dlc" check

[craggy vine]

Not as bad as train simulator

[grim stirrup]

its not as bad as a golden toilet, but its still full of shit

[craggy vine]

I feel so weird, going so all in on gaming on my macbook that I got for work...

I haven't turned on my desktop for ages now

Wait I can even play sims 2 apparently

[craggy vine]

Dear god I got to the main menu of sims for in like 5 seconds

I remember it taking a minute to load

Maybe even less than 5

[harsh kestrel]

Apple turned into a Zapp Apple

[craggy vine]

I guess, what should I expect from a 2014 game running on 2022 hardware

Doesn't feel the smoothest, but you could comfortably play at 3360x2100 resolution on ultra

Weirdly when lowering the resolution nothing got smoother

And putting it on low still had this weird microstutter

It is using the full gpu

My guess is just the rosetta translation, probably OpenGL, plus being a 2014 game on such new and different hardware

But for the kind of game this is, it is extremely playable

I am basically playing in 4k resolution so, quite impressive

My lowest resolution option is 1600p though...

So, I can't even choose to go below 1440p

I am curious how the game would run inside of Parallels

And now to mod the shit out of the sims 4 with my friends

Including multiplayer mod

We'll see how it goes with that

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/ea-originals-to-publish-more-big-budget-games-as-well-as-small-indies/

[gaunt marten]

It's all about money, then

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/rzuUOqABGf0

''thank you super mario bros, it seems the only thing you haven't drained is my bank account''

I thought the voice acting was super rough when she first started saying it but it seems like that was intentional

[gaunt marten]

It's an in-universe ad, I think

[arctic fern]

the VA was the original voice of peach from the original tv show

that advert is just a bunch of references to that show lol

[random steppe]

I happened to watch him playing a bit as well, and I should warn you, his game is very deeply modded, the base game tends to be a pretty different experience.
I thought I would mention it.

That said, that co-op mod seems very well put together, I was very impressed as to how seamless it seems to work

[heady bridge]

Thing is about Hogwarts Legacy is the developer has a proven track record, even with licensed IP (Avalanche made the Toy Story 3 game which was actually great) and is a popular IP with the general populace. Outside of outliers picking apart things not actually related to the game the reviews for the game itself are almost exclusively positive. Any online controversy isn’t going to filter down to the average person who will see the game and think “I loved the books/movies as a kid, maybe I’ll pick this up to relive my youth/show this world off to my own kid”. In the end, it’s selling well because it’s a good game regardless of anything else.

[slim thorn]

it's "good" in a very safe and familiar way, but yeah for general audience sales purposes it does what it needs to do

[heady bridge]

Hey the fact it’s not a total broken mess counts as a win in the AAA sphere nowadays… sadly

[slim thorn]

there's some oof aspects of the game's own story but most of the problem is still external to the game

and we should avoid digging into that any more since those external problems are severe enough that even trying to talk about the game makes many of us uncomfortable

[river veldt]

no i was watching his older stream, not the more recent randomiser streams

[river veldt]

yeah it’s meant to be a low budget in universe commercial, sorta like the Ghostbusters commercial

[heady bridge]

Ultimately my backlog is massive anyway, should get back to Fire Emblem Engage but the Metroid Prime remaster already being out is making juggling my backlog even harder…

[slim thorn]

and I'm playing none of the above

[heady bridge]

I also have Tokyo Xanadu eX+ on my plate too as I basically fell in love with anything made by Nihon Falcom, including the massive Trails series which has been a trip playing that behemoth

[random steppe]

Oh, got it

[gaunt marten]

https://preview.redd.it/zf8mr729sxha1.jpg?width=413&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=ad1d31aa5f63585e6fe578f96a1d174c8da4c604

Rimworld is too real

But also totally fake because congenital things are present from birth

[heady bridge]

Could it mean they had it from birth but only had it diagnosed at 9?

[gaunt marten]

That's not really how rimworld works

Behind the scene it assigns diseases randomly every year

[heady bridge]

I see

[thorny loom]

Lol

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-day-before-devs-say-a-calendar-app-stole-their-trademark-youtube-is-delisting-their-videos-and-no-doubt-the-dogs-eyeing-up-their-homework/

[fresh bane]

https://twitter.com/FntasticHQ/status/1624787702507008004

Fntastic (@FntasticHQ)

#thedaybefore

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Twitter · Feb 12, 2023, 3:09 PM

this is such weird drama

''we'll fight. power is in the truth''
bro literally just change the name

[thorny loom]

Im convinced at this point this either is extreme incompetence or a scam gone wrong

[sour hill]

Hell yeah

[astral field]

The fact that they announced the name without actually owning the trademark or copyright to that name is just... really incompetent. That is one of the most basic things you have to do, actually owning the rights to your chosen name.

[dire gate]

Speculations say that Nintendo may be ready to finally move to a next gen console around late 2024~2025

This is due to the fact that they aren’t announcing any more new significant major titles and now are focusing on remake/remasters

[thorny loom]

Yeah thats been the rumor for a while. The direct basically confirmed it

Also since nintendo wont be at E3 this year. (Probably cause there’s nothing else to really show at this time)

[arctic fern]

i glitched my way out of the map in dead space...

[heady bridge]

That Nintendo stuff is kinda gonna get blown out if Nintendo announce a ton of stuff for the second half of 2023 in a June Direct. Predicting Nintendo has always been a fools errand.

I wouldn't be shocked if when the time comes they keep the Switch around (or at the very least, the Lite) as a cheap alternative to whatever they have as a follow up, the 3DS filled that role briefly at the Switch's launch (the handheld still had a fair chunk of games in 2017 after all). Certainly would cover some bases anyway.

[thorny loom]

Generally speaking console makers will have games support the previous console for at least 1-2 years before dropping support for it

[heady bridge]

Well unless you’re the Wii U anyway >_>

https://twitter.com/Bulbapedia/status/1625147798139142145?t=lO3oZq3-Kt7I_KrldgHjdg&s=19

Bulbapedia (@Bulbapedia)

Today is the 20th anniversary of the Nintendo Game Boy Advance SP, first released in Japan on February 14, 2003!

While similar in performance to the original GBA, it had a clam shell design, integrated light for the screen, and a rechargeable battery.

https://t.co/Ew3aaz0krM

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Twitter · Feb 13, 2023, 3:00 PM

[river veldt]

whoa!

[static bluff]

This changed the game

I love that blue

Backlit screen

[river veldt]

i have a GBA SP but I lost the charger for it long ago

[heady bridge]

Actually early SP models were kinda frontlit, backlit models didn’t come until later

[thorny loom]

I still have the original gba

[static bluff]

Oh

Well it was a step up from whatever it had before

[river veldt]

i played the shit out of LttP on my GBA SP

[heady bridge]

Shout out to Astro Boy: Omega Factor on GBA, a great title from the masters at Treasure

[thorny loom]

I also have the original purple gamecube

[heady bridge]

My launch day GameCube controller still works perfectly, I’ve even used it playing Smash Ultimate.

[thorny loom]

My wireless gamecube controller from 04 also still works

[dire gate]

Meanwhile Switch controller : you used me for 3 whole months? Time for a new one!

[thorny loom]

Part of the issue with that i found out is all new controllers for consoles are made by one company who cheaped out on parts

The same issue also occurs with ps5 controllers and xbox

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/gaming/nintendo-cant-make-a-drift-free-switch-controller-so-this-company-made-their-own-gamecube-version/ar-AA16bjwi which is why im a fan of third party

[mossy flume]

There’s actually a specific Switch gamepad I recommend

The 8BitDo Ultimate controller has Hall effect sensors and it’s an excellent Switch style gamepad

https://a.co/d/5BK1oOn

This guy

https://www.8bitdo.com/ultimate-2.4g-wireless-controller/

I think the Bluetooth only version uses potentiometer joysticks though

For some reason

[proud warren]

Insert the Thanos "Do it myself" meme

[dapper cedar]

Was reminded of the absolute dream controller I’ve wanted to exist for years
https://retro-bit.com/big6

[thorny loom]

Apparently their working on a unity remake of Sotc including the cut colossus

https://youtu.be/nXa9L71slPY

https://youtu.be/FNsAY3HZV0o

[fresh bane]

|| https://youtu.be/Q9Fy1alhM18 ||
Disco Elysium spoilers, I think ixrec is past this interaction so it should be safe for him to watch
this clip is so funny

[chilly mural]

Woolie the liar stole my pie

[fresh bane]

I love how he was so shook he HAD to reload

[quiet swift]

Me at the end: oh neat, he clipped audio that fits the end of the video. Then the narrator says his channel name and i'm like o_o

[fresh bane]

yeah I don't know if it's AI or if he actually got the real VA to do that

it's very convincing

I guess now I have to share one of the most glorious iconic woolie moments
https://youtu.be/oBaKN3DpIcU

and the not so iconic but still great sequel to that moment
https://youtu.be/ioO7uXPX7uk

seriously their timing is great

[green fulcrum]

I don't get why either of these things are funny?

[fresh bane]

Pat previously had shit on Arcana Heart Love Max when they played it before in their channel and in a subsequent playthrough that notification that the game had finished installing on his console popped up
And then in their DMC3 playthrough the notification that DMC4 had finished installing popped up while they were finishing the game which wasn't meant to happen and they never really said whether or not they were gonna get through DMC4 but that gave it away, it's also funny because it's the exact same thing that happened twice already

it's also just funny since the game is really weird in itself

[green fulcrum]

Ah, okay, so it kinda requires context before you can understand the joke.

[fresh bane]

Sure, they're funnier with context but they're funny by itself as well

[thorny loom]

https://www.fanatical.com/en/bundle/killer-bundle-25?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

[gaunt marten]

Page is not loading. Is anything interesting in the bundle?

[thorny loom]

Doom 64. Turok 1 and 2. Baldurs gate 1 and 2 and a few others

[gaunt marten]

Neat!

[grim stirrup]

baldurs gate+river city girls

[gaunt marten]

For 25 dollars it's a neat pack but out of my price range

[grim stirrup]

ye, i aint getting it, but its neat regardless

[gaunt marten]

River City Girls is the only game I'm interested in that I don't already have

[river veldt]

what is River City Girls

[gaunt marten]

River City Ransom remake with cute girls

[bleak lintel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40MRASC-Ndw

[gaunt marten]

Sequel*

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1049320/River_City_Girls/

Steam

River City Girls

There's trouble once again on the mean streets of River City, but this time the boys are in over their heads! In this all-new entry in the legendary beat-'em-up series, hot-blooded heroes Kunio and Riki have been captured, leaving it to their hard-hitting girlfriends, Kyoko and Misako, to serve up some payback. As you punch and kick your way acr...

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

2223

▶ Play video

There's also RCG2

[river veldt]

whoa NWTB did some songs

[fresh bane]

Ooooh I've wanted to play River City Girls for a while

I didn't know it was on steam

[dapper cedar]

Finished Metroid Prime, should've played it waaaaay sooner

[rugged flax]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/111f2l2/alien_isolation_2014_enemy_ai/
I paused the game therefore I didn't die
Classic

I'd never sleep again if I played this game in VR

[green fulcrum]

Whooaaaa...Samus is a GIRL???

[fresh bane]

oh no she's hot

....looking at that pic more carefully and trying to figure out whether or not she could actually fit in that suit...

|| also hey you can see a little bit of the zero suit peeking through there, that's a neat detail ||

[green fulcrum]

...Yeah, she does look a little weird without the helmet, ngl.

[fresh bane]

Yeah I don't feel like they really thought about the specific logistics of her suit, the proportions are super off

To be fair her suit is doable and some cosplayers make it look super tight

I mean that second one is perfect

but the games tend to exaggerate her proportions

[sour hill]

Lol ain't no way

[green fulcrum]

Honestly if they made her head a little bigger, it could look way better.

[fresh bane]

Yeah definitely

you'd still need to tweak some of her proportions and stuff but the head definitely needs to be bigger

the Dread suit does a great job at looking super cool and threatening but also like someone would realistically fit inside

and it looks great man Dread suit is the best suit she's had

[river veldt]

agree

[hushed onyx]

I like the classic Varia suit better, but like those cosplayers are doing up there.

Then again, I first found out about Metroid from the OG Metroid Prime...2, so there's that.

Never seen or played Dread.

[fresh bane]

I mean sure Varia suit is probably Samus' most iconic timeless look, I like the one from Samus Returns the best

....but then again Dread has a super slick Varia suit

oh my god white with gold get outta here

jesus christ she's got fashion

[hushed onyx]

Mmm, channeling some Kingdom of Jerusalem look.

...not sure if good, that...

[fresh bane]

what?

[hushed onyx]

The Kingdom of Jerusalem is (somewhat) famous for violating the heraldic rule of "no metals on metals," meaning that its coat of arms was white ("silver" in heraldic terms) and gold (..."gold" in heraldic terms).

So when I see color schemes like that it reminds me of that Crusader state.

[river veldt]

oh god she’s so hot

[gaunt marten]

Played a little bit of Astronarch

https://i.imgur.com/DP8nGbz.png

Fun game. Shame the development ended before the game was done

[fresh bane]

|| https://youtu.be/u--c7PXp8qA ||
heavy Disco spoilers from a very important character appearance but I'm still baffled that the animator for Disco Elysium did this stupid animation

[dapper cedar]

I had a few troubles in Metroid Prime that didn’t really mean anything but I’ll say anyway

I thought most of the bosses went on a bit too long and was surprised by ||the lack of a big escape sequence at the end||

[dire gate]

Brotato now has an endless mode

My time is gone

[slim thorn]

when I replayed MP1-3 recently several bosses took longer than intended, because I was emulating motion controls with an analog stick

Meta Ridley’s hit box has never been so sm0l

[thorny loom]

https://kotaku.com/bungie-destiny-ai-art-generated-image-midjourney-1850110190?l

[arctic fern]

thats fair

shit happens

[slim thorn]

yeah, I dunno how anyone’s meant to avoid this

[bleak lintel]

AI has improved on drawing fingers which was one of the ways to spot AI art.

[quiet swift]

this looks promising

[slim thorn]

don't trust the thumbnails

[quiet swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2nukYKFWT4&t=1227s&ab_channel=Blunty i jumped to this guy's conclusion - he seems rather positive about it

new ip vs decades old ip it's not gonna hurt MH bottom line but it's a good competitor that can complement the genre, basically

[wintry canopy]

Team Darkside is going nutty, two videos on Wild Hearts already.

[quiet swift]

Have they done a review yet?

[graceful bridge]

https://www.infiniteblack.com/products/the-elder-scrolls-online-ebonheart-pact-elder-dice

@dawn harness Elder Scrolls dice

[dawn harness]

Whomstve

Huh, multi-system

[green fulcrum]

Oh that looks COOL!

[random steppe]

Force has an habit of hyping up stuff that ends up being hot trash, so IDK

[quiet swift]

Eh, I'm seeing it from a few other places too

[quiet swift]

Me: trying to convince my 70+ year old dad and his girlfriend to give Disco Elysium a try. They love playing the Sherlock Holmes games on Steam. Might be because of Sherlock though...

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/minecraft-is-getting-a-new-biome-in-update-120-after-all/

[daring night]

cool

[quiet swift]

@wintry canopy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH4LE_S7NOo made a choice yet?

[random steppe]

One week until we learn if Atomic Heart is as good as it looks

[arctic fern]

spoiler: theres a 99% chance it wont be

[random steppe]

We'll see

I mean, it's on gamepass so it's not like I have to wonder if I want to buy it

[slim thorn]

pre-release buzz loves the oversimplified extremes, Atomic Heart was a rare case of both extremes on the same game

[arctic fern]

i mean, i hope its atleast half as good as what we've seen

but i doubt it

[slim thorn]

at this point it's anyone's guess what the final result is like

but my money is on mixed bag that'll lead to some fascinating hour-long video essays on exactly which parts do and don't work and why

[random steppe]

I see no reason to believe it'll be bad, but ultimately we don't know until it releases

[uneven epoch]

(disco elysium, not spoilers but i wanna be ixrec-considerate) on one hand, i really ||wanna impress kim..... but on the other hand..... bweeee||

HE DID IT ||KIM SAID BWEEEEEEEEEE|| and it was glorious

[slim thorn]

for the record, my current DE status is ||it's day two, body's in the bear fridge, the gang "confessed" and dared us to do something about it, still don't have my badge or gun, last thing I did was meet the Novelty Dicemaker||

[uneven epoch]

im so glad u got ||the bear fridge||

i didnt get it until second playthrough personally

[slim thorn]

honestly I was all ready to ship it away for good until Kim said ||the guys in Processing are "butchers and clowns" ||

||Sempai's trusting me to figure something out, I can't let him down!||

[uneven epoch]

hmmmm. i wanna ask a question but i dont wanna accidentally spoil you. how to do this how to do this.... ||what is your current conclusion on cause of death?||

[slim thorn]

let's go with

Cuno insisted the rocks had MAXIMUM VELOCITY, but I wrote what Kim said instead

[uneven epoch]

mhmmm...

[mossy flume]

Reminder that Returnal for PC is launching tomorrow.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1649240/Returnal/

Steam

Returnal™

Break the cycle as this award-winning third-person shooter brings bullet hell action to PC. Selene’s roguelike odyssey arrives with a suite of arresting graphical and performance-based enhancements to ensure an unforgettable journey. This includes the full Returnal™ experience, complete with Suspend Cycle, Photo and Co-op Modes, as well as the T...

Price

$59.99

Release Date

Feb 15, 2023

▶ Play video

If you like roguelikes, this may interest you.

[quiet swift]

[slim thorn]

never heard of it

[mossy flume]

I had tons of fun with it on PS5 (it was an exclusive) and it makes fantastic use of the PS5 dualshock controller's features such as variable resistance. It's quite hard, though.

Basically you can think of it as "What if third person Metroid Prime but it's a roguelike with mild bullet hell mechanics?"

[slim thorn]

ok I definitely see the appeal

[mossy flume]

And the story is pretty cool

[slim thorn]

roguelites are inherently eeeeeeh for me but if I didn't have fifty other things to play maybe

[river veldt]

is Mario in it

[slim thorn]

(sorry, that joke's kinda worn out)

[river veldt]

it’s worn out when i say it’s worn out

[mossy flume]

Oh interesting. They initially announced that the PC port of Returnal would need 32GB of RAM, but they seem to have quietly bumped that down to 16GB sometime in the past month.

[random steppe]

I wont get it at launch, but Returnal is something I eventually want to play

[mossy flume]

It's pretty neat because the 3D world is randomly arranged on each iteration.

[river veldt]

(im just kidding ill try to cut back sorry Ix)

[mossy flume]

Don't see that much in 3D

And I think it's closer to a Roguelike than a roguelite because you always start out with the same stats and equipment when you respawn

The only persistent thing is the parts of the world that you unlock, but once you reach those unlocked gates again they'll hand you some appropriate gear for that level so you don't have to grind

[fresh bane]

I saw an... interesting... video about Atomic Heart

all I know about the game myself is that it's been in development for quite some time and I have personally followed it close to the time it was first announced and teased

[slim thorn]

(I only know what's been posted here)

[fresh bane]

Nobody really knew much about that game until their last trailer/teaser, especially with those robot twins who came out of absolute nowhere

I'm pretty sure those two were created with the sole purpose of marketing the game or making it more appealing

[fresh bane]

I could link you the video I'm talking about if you'd like, I'm still unsure about it myself and would like to see how the situation around it develops and mostly if the game is actually good or not, but it has a lot of weird political stuff going on in the background

[random steppe]

It's definitely not worth trying to decode much of it now that it's a week from release for me

Probably not appropriate then

If there is any analysis of worth, it's probably going to be done after the game is released anyway

[river veldt]

i hadnt heard of Atomic Heart until right this moment

[slim thorn]

ah, it's been popping up here for several months

[random steppe]

The one thing I can say about the game with authority, is that it has banger trailers

[rancid herald]

Mario, you should learn to mod so you can add mario to all these games

[slim thorn]

anyway, what little I've seen so far was mostly rumors with no meaningful evidence, so at this point it's best to not even acknowledge the subject

[random steppe]

Even if the game flops, they should reinvent that company and sell their services into making trailers for other companies

[slim thorn]

but in general, if something comes up that is substantial and warrants mod policy decisions, feel free to DM one of us

[rancid herald]

there's a company that does that, but I can't remember the name of it

they did the TOR trailers and had work in love death and robots

[mossy flume]

There are political things about Atomic Heart? I just recall it being kinda neat looking IIRC

[fresh bane]

I mean, that's up to you guys whether something is substantial enough or not, I'm just saying, I don't know much about it myself and I only found out about some stuff recently but I'm of the opinion that if anything really important is going on behind the scenes the internet will inevitably find out about it and the internet will do what they will do

I'm on the fence here, I'm gonna wait until the game comes out and see if it's actually good since I have been thinking it's been on dev hell for a long time

I wasn't even sure if the game was ever going to even come out

https://youtu.be/7r3xirdi86k

I mean, game's been in development for almost 10 years

[random steppe]

I mean, you should wait regarless of anything else, because it's an unknown developer apparently making an extremely high profile title

With so far, relatively little info on its quality

[slim thorn]

do people still say "stop preordering video games"?

[mossy flume]

Apparently Atomic Heart is coming out in six days

[slim thorn]

because everyone should still not do that

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[mossy flume]

Reddit does still, tiringly, say this.

[slim thorn]

and it's not like video game preview content has ever been reliable for any game, new developer or otherewise

[gaunt marten]

A preorder is just a loan with no interest that you give out

[river veldt]

….huh

[rancid herald]

it might be a hot take but if you buy it on day one you might as well preorder it

like, there's no difference

[gaunt marten]

There's some difference. On day one some reviews are already out

[slim thorn]

you shouldn't buy it on day one before the reviews either, but that's not as snappy

[rose rose]

Usually some reviews are out before day one.

[river veldt]

i only preorder games im 100% sure ill like

[gaunt marten]

Yeah

[slim thorn]

which and how many reviews you wait to see is of course entirely a personal decision, likely based on which reviewer you're waiting for

[fresh bane]

There are people who get to games early and probably have reviews up by day one already

[slim thorn]

right, review embargos are a thing and may or may not be set to expire pre-release

[mossy flume]

Apparently some preview reviews came out January 17th

But actual reviews are later

[slim thorn]

does "preview reviews" sound like an oxymoron or is it just me?

[gaunt marten]

I usually just say previews

[slim thorn]

same

[rancid herald]

I mean, the thing with reviews is that reviews aren't really worth that much these days. It's very hard to tell whether a review is accurately capturing the game for you, unless it's s specific person or persons you trust

[mossy flume]

https://www.pcgamer.com/atomic-heart-preview/

[gaunt marten]

But previews are just reviews too so it's fine by me

[rancid herald]

I mean, we have trailers for trailers now, including trailers that are previewing the trailer in the trailer they're attached to

[slim thorn]

those are so weird

[mossy flume]

I hate the trailer trailers.

So much.

[rancid herald]

at some point we're going to get a whole film that's nothing but trailer

[rose rose]

Trailer trailers are the worst

[rancid herald]

make it about optimis prime for max trailer trailer

[dire gate]

[mossy flume]

Please remove your trailer trailers from the trailer video that I am actively watching.

[slim thorn]

tbh this was always the case, at least as long as I've been consuming reviews; if anything the internet's made it much easier to find and follow a specific reviewer that works for you

[gaunt marten]

Samus will return in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

[mossy flume]

Hell yeah.

[river veldt]

that was such a good shadow drop

[rose rose]

Trailer trailers at the start of the trailer are of course one of the things that are actually YouTube’s fault

[mossy flume]

It is also now in the top 50 Metacritic games of all time.

[rose rose]

Gotta get the message across in under five seconds

[gaunt marten]

Maybe they should put the message in the thumbnail and title

[mossy flume]

My top complaint about Prime Remastered is that they got the door textures wrong.

Aside from that, 10/10

[slim thorn]

huh, are those the MP3 doors?

[mossy flume]

The original dev is also pissed about that, haha

[dapper cedar]

Almost like it’s one of the best games ever or something

[mossy flume]

Not quite, they're sorta a hybrid

[dapper cedar]

Aaaa y’all I really hope they do Prime 2 remaster

One playthrough of the first game and I’m hooked

[mossy flume]

2 and 3. Rumor has had it for a while now that 2 and 3 are just getting simple ports, unfortunately.

[slim thorn]

I'm almost regretting having replayed the trilogy so recently because now all this Metroid hype is just going over my head

[mossy flume]

But who knows.

[dapper cedar]

I mean if it’s a way to play them I’ll take it

[mossy flume]

Prime 1 Remaster finished development in 2021, it turns out.

[mossy flume]

It's so pretty though

But also I watched a video comparison and it really only made me better appreciate how the Prime games aged so well

The original still looks fantastic

[slim thorn]

I'm the type that's blind to graphical fidelity, I honestly can't tell the difference between the new remaster and the Wii version I recently emulated

[mossy flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaypbay8rt4

[slim thorn]

everything I noticed in the clips posted here as a "ooh, that looks cool" like visor reflections and water effects and the like is also something I specifically remember already being there

[rancid herald]

they sat on it for two years?

[mossy flume]

Yep.

[rancid herald]

switch 2 confirmed

it's already manufactured and waiting to ship!

I want to believe

[mossy flume]

There had been claims for a while that they were just sitting on a remastered trilogy, waiting for Prime 4 to have a foreseeable release window.

But also it's kinda impressive how this never leaked from any reliable source at any point despite the Prime 1 Remaster having been worked on by TEN STUDIOS

[river veldt]

whoa

[mossy flume]

Just what the fuck were they doing

[dire gate]

Nintendo recently is very good at anti-leaking it seems

[rancid herald]

I could see the whole thing being remastered

every couple of months they release a new remastered prime

[mossy flume]

I really hope the entire trilogy is remastered. And Switch 2 better be backwards-compatible and capable of running this game internally at 4K.

[rancid herald]

then, at the same interval as the past releases, they shadow drop prime 4

[dire gate]

I think there were only few things that got actually leaked in last direct, Samba and Ghost Trick and Kirby I think were leaked?

[rancid herald]

Pokemon seems to leak a lot for some reason

[dire gate]

Other than those I think none were 'leaked'

[river veldt]

holy cow i hope the Switch successor is backwards compatible

[dire gate]

Like some had rumors but

[true maple]

Just let me play metroid prime without dragging my gamecube out of storage

[dapper cedar]

I’m just excited to experience what for me is new Metroid experiences

[mossy flume]

I would be furious if they did all this work and the next console can't run the Prime trilogy at a native 4K resolution.

[true maple]

And i don't have a wiiu anymore

[dire gate]

No one, literally not a single person ever expected that they would announce a new Layton

[river veldt]

i hope i can transfer my digitally downloaded games

[rose rose]

It seems unlikely it would be able to do that. Maybe if you pay another $50.

[mossy flume]

They would just release this at the end of the console's life and just be like "okay, that's trapped in the past forever now"

[gaunt marten]

I definitely heard a lot of news about how Layton was cancelled and his ashes were crushed and strewn about the ocean

[rancid herald]

Switch 2 confirmed for being an elder god I guess, what with the ashes in the ocean

[mossy flume]

Or if they do that, Ryujinx needs to fix its stuttering problems with the game.

[dapper cedar]

Then they did a brilliant job of reassembling him

[slim thorn]

at this point I'm half-expecting exactly this to happen because the industry feels determined to make as many consoles as possible have one exclusive I care about

[dire gate]

There were speculations that MP4 may be one of the major launching titles of Switch 2

[true maple]

Fuck it I'm gonna drag my gamecube out of storage

[slim thorn]

(and then I gave up and emulated everything)

[mossy flume]

The Prime trilogy deserves to be appreciated in 4K HDR

[mossy flume]

I actually expect this at this point. It makes a lot of sense.

[river veldt]

maybe i should actually start playing Prime

[dire gate]

They might want to see if MP series is good enough for a launching title by randomly throwing MP1 remaster

[true maple]

Though i think my disc is one of the first edition ones that has defects

[rancid herald]

MP4 being a release title for Switch 2 might actually make sense

considering that zelda is dropping itself onto Switch 1

[river veldt]

so excited for TotK

[rancid herald]

has there been any rumors about a new mario game?

[dire gate]

TotK, a new Mario, and MP4 were the strongest expectations

[river veldt]

sadly no :<

[dire gate]

We already got TotK, Mario we have zero news

[rancid herald]

Super Mario brothers the Movie the Game

[dire gate]

MP4 is the most likely rn

And then they can do the same thing with Odyssey with Mario game

[river veldt]

Nintendo is probably focusing on the movie for Mario atm

[dire gate]

Release it the next holiday after the console launch

[rose rose]

I would take another year’s delay on new Zelda if it would launch on anything but the Switch.

[river veldt]

OMG

[mossy flume]

It seems the industry expects a Switch 2 in 2024?? Allegedly there's some prototype hardware floating around now and some financial analysts seem to think that's the plan.

[river veldt]

the Mario movie is only 2 months away holy shit

[dire gate]

Zelda has a track record of being super delayed and eventually becoming double-console title

[dire gate]

It is likely that it will be around late 2024~early 2025

[mossy flume]

I could buy that, yeah.

The timing seems reasonable enough.

[river veldt]

that gives me time to save money :3

[dire gate]

At that point all the DLCs will be done

[fresh bane]

To be honest what would you really do for another Mario game?

[mossy flume]

If I were Nintendo that would be my target at this stage.

[rancid herald]

I almost wonder if it won't be sooner tbh

[dire gate]

They can also buy time to release a DLC for Pokemon

[rancid herald]

if e3 was happening, they'd probably announce it there

[river veldt]

people have been saying this since SM64 lol

[mossy flume]

Holiday 2024 would be the ideal time

[dire gate]

It can be early 2024 like the Switch did

But late 2024 feels more appropriate.

[fresh bane]

Have there been any new Mario games that do the classic 2d platformer thing?

I know Mario Maker is like that

[river veldt]

there’s the New Super Mario Bros series i guess

those are pretty mediocre though

[dire gate]

It's been a while since they released a 2D Mario, yes

[fresh bane]

they could do a 2d mario for a new mario game I suppose

[dire gate]

There are infinite possibilities

It's also been a while since we got a 2D Zelda, except the LA remake

[fresh bane]

Yeah Link's Awakening def counts

[mossy flume]

Unfortunately I could see this being the case.

[dire gate]

But tbh Zelda feels right to be 3D-exclusive kinda

[river veldt]

the Link’s Awakening remake is good

[mossy flume]

It is pretty good

[river veldt]

i would love an Oracle games remake in the same style

but i doubt that’ll happen

[rancid herald]

Oracle is fucked up because of who owns it

[mossy flume]

Twilight Princess remake in the same style. /s

[river veldt]

oh right it’s a Capcom game

omg a Zelda 1 remake though?

[dire gate]

One big hope I have is that they directly continue the VC service in NSO to the Switch 2

Like inherit the thing directly

[mossy flume]

it is genuinely weird that Zelda 1 never got a Zero Mission style remake.

[dire gate]

And honestly it might be the case

[river veldt]

Zelda 1 is amazing you it’s just held back by how cryptic it is at times

something that plagued a lot of NES games

[dire gate]

Since it would be stupid if they announced bunch of GB/GBA games and then just move on to Switch 2 ditching them

[mossy flume]

There are many things that need to be pulled forward from Switch to the successor. Because otherwise Nintendo's software strategy would be completely asinine.

[dire gate]

Nintendo is, as we all know, very slow at porting those VC games

VERY slow

[mossy flume]

Unrealistically so, yeah.

[dire gate]

And they have already announced like 10 games

"coming in future"

[mossy flume]

Golden Sun my beloved.

[dire gate]

Meanwhile people speculate that there will be the 2nd set of Splatoon 3 DLC

[gaunt marten]

Yo I broke the channel

[rancid herald]

I kind of hope the switch 2 launches with a netflix like subscription thing where you can download and play all sorts of older games without waiting for a remaster

[dire gate]

two sets of two waves each, making it total of 4

[mossy flume]

What would be horrible is if Nintendo decides to run the Switch platform and the successor platform in parallel.

[rancid herald]

relevant json? Jason is never relevant 1

[fresh bane]

Late to this but Zelda 1 did technically get a remake

it's japan exclusive though

if you ask me it's more surprising that ALTTP never got a remake or remaster

[river veldt]

oh right BS Legend of Zelda (is what i assume you’re talking about)

[fresh bane]

I have played ALTTP before but never could get into it a whole lot but it'd be nice for those who have played it and would like to see that game improved upon or enhanced

the next zelda being a 2d one would be a fascinating choice

I feel like if there's any big dev that would definitely take chances like that it'd be Nintendo

even if it's just a 'small' release

[river veldt]

we probably won’t get a new Zelda for a while

[fresh bane]

Ehhhh give it like, 5 years

[river veldt]

that’s a while :p

i mean i suppose LA remake was only 2 years after BOTW

[fresh bane]

Depends on what fandom you're a part of

Yeah they could release a 'small' 2d zelda game

I have a nice Link's Awakening scroll thingy to hang on the wall that a friend gifted me

[rancid herald]

it wouldn't surprise me if they're working on an oracle thing, fucked though it is

[fresh bane]

and a TP poster

[river veldt]

they remake Zelda II shocking everyone

[dire gate]

So here's the thing

[rancid herald]

simply because it's kind of a lost zelda

[dire gate]

They actually planned to do a Zelda 1 remake.

[fresh bane]

Oracle Zelda have a cult following of sorts but they're definitely on the less popular side

[dire gate]

They ended up developing a new game instead of remaking the original.

That game

Or, games

Are the Oracle Zelda.

[river veldt]

epic

[fresh bane]

that's not too uncommon of an occurence in game development

[rancid herald]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CopoDofMBP4/?hl=en huh

spyro

Fueling the fire with love. Happy Valentine's Day! 💜

Likes

6894

Instagram

[chilly mural]

that image is fire

🔥

[green fulcrum]

Would've been absolutely perfect if Cynder was in the picture too

[rancid herald]

it kind of convinces me that they must be working on a follow up spyro

why promote the ip at all if they're not?

[mossy flume]

That is pretty interesting

And with 2023 copyright

Which makes that new art and all

[rancid herald]

new spyro comes out but it's a dating sim

actually, looking at the account it looks like they did a thing for christmas, and they did a thing for last christmas, but not last valentines day

very interesting

[fresh bane]

Oh my god I can't with Hi Fi Rush's twitter post for valentine's day

[dire gate]

https://twitter.com/GamesDoneQuick/status/1625644809187631110
This game is truly one of the games that just turn people into furries

Games Done Quick (@GamesDoneQuick)

What better way to spend Valentine's Day than with Game Masters!

Starting now, @xemmypoo is showcasing not one, not two, but THREE Ratchet and Clank Runs for us tonight!

Who knows, there might even be a surprise or two mixed in 😉

https://t.co/KDNFEZ4yvE

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 14, 2023, 11:55 PM

Just too cute

[rancid herald]

I should get a ps5

play clank

play horizon dawn. all the games.

are consoles compatible with computer monitors these days?

[chilly mural]

modern advertising would suggest they would be?

[quiet swift]

HDMI

PS4 could connect to monitors with that, so yes, ps5 should be the same

[sonic dune]

Bethesda: we love modders, they keep our games alive and well for decades! We added mod support in game to every major title in the past decade
Valve: we literally don't care about copyright, inspiring our fandom is what helps our business and games grow, we've basically abandoned our copywrite protection and given people our animation assets for free, causing a large community of talented animators!
Nintendo: I will ban you from life for modding and put you into debt if you say Mario's name

[bleak lintel]

PS5 only recently has 1440p support, that's the only outliner to using a monitor.

[sonic dune]

Who would win: an entire O'Driscoll camp
Or one TB boy with a shotgun hole though his chest

(I slaughtered the entire camp in that mission)

[craggy vine]

Doesn't PS5 support 4k?

[rose rose]

It does, but it did not initially support 1440p

(Well it supported it by downscaling 4K, but not directly)

[craggy vine]

Isn't the PS5 supposed to be a powerful high resolution console?

[rose rose]

1440p is a weird resolution for a television, which is what consoles expect to be used with

So not exactly a priority.

[craggy vine]

Oh wait

Yeah so it did support 4k

Yeah makes sense

Does it support 768p?

[rose rose]

That’s the wrong aspect ratio so I might guess no but no idea

[bleak lintel]

It's like Peach said, I don't think many TVs are 1440p, they mostly went from 1080p -> 4k.
However more people are playing consoles on their monitors and 1440p is a more common resolution, not sure if 4k monitors have really taken off yet.
So that and the combination of Xbox supporting 1440p put enough pressure for Sony to finally add support.

[craggy vine]

Makes sense

Probably isn't much effort to support it anyway

[quiet swift]

Hanzo. Behave.

[slim thorn]

fwiw, I believe my new laptop is 1440p (I'm at work so can't double-check)

[graceful bridge]

https://youtu.be/lgpgzx8SW2Y

#1038892073471987762 for details.

[astral field]

Ooh, they have Red Dead Revolver. That was such a fun game.

[static bluff]

I thought so too

[astral field]

Plus the theme song is so good

[thorny loom]

They need the town with no name

[heady bridge]

I speedrun that game, beat it in 12 seconds. Yes it was the Any% category >_>

[sonic dune]

I still need to play revolver

I like the headcanon that Red Harlow changed his name to "the oneshot kid" to avoid fame and ended up as Uncle in RDR1+2

[visual hill]

I remember when Sony did all those memes

[astral field]

Rockstar likes to make its sequel games have characters and reference events from earlier ones. Some of the earlier GTA games aren't canon to 5, but something similar to what happened in the early games also happened in 5's timeline. That may also be true for Redemption and Revolver. Revolver may not be canon to Redemption, but a version of the events probably did occur, just with some differences to allow Rockstar to build the new game's world and history how they want to.

I also find it extremely likely that Uncle was, in his youth, Redemption's timeline's version of Red.

[slim thorn]

sounds like Witcher continuity, but on purpose

[dire gate]

https://twitter.com/diablo/status/1625961737932652544

Diablo (@Diablo)

My Hells? Burning.

Twitter · Feb 15, 2023, 8:54 PM

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-backtracks-on-team-fortress-2-update-wording-after-people-got-way-too-excited-weve-been-bamboozled/

[chilly mural]

[dire gate]

Urmum

[visual hill]

these default TF2 pfps are priceless

[chilly mural]

they will forever stand the test of time

[river veldt]

fuck :<

[fresh bane]

but I do have some sympathy for Valve here, inasmuch as the TF2 community huffs the copium like no other while seeming oblivious to the fact it's playing a game released in 2007 that received major updates from Valve itself until 2017

that's a little bit unwarranted

What does it matter if the game released in 2007? So many people use that as an argument for others to stop playing TF2 and I will never understand

game is really good, has an active community, it's profitable

[slim thorn]

I think you're arguing against a subtext different than the intended subtext

what that phrasing says to me is not that the game's not worth playing, but that no one should expect active development/updates/patches after this long

lots of unmaintained games are still worth playing

[fresh bane]

Well no I'm just saying other people have used the game's age as an argument for something else than what the post is talking about

[green fulcrum]

Minecraft is a 2009 game (technically), and millions of people still play it, and Mojang has promised to keep updating it until A) the end of the world, or B) the playerbase dies, which is the less likely of the two.

[slim thorn]

oh you're not arguing against the article

carry on then

[fresh bane]

I still don't feel like it's a valid argument to even stop updating the game it's clearly popular enough and profitable enough to warrant keeping updating it

[slim thorn]

right, that's up to Valve

I'm only claiming there's a reasonable argument to not expect further updates

[fresh bane]

I just feel like the wording of that article is a little harsh for no reason, what with the TF2 community inhaling copium and stuff

[river veldt]

that’s really heccin cool but a teensy bit disappointing to me, I’ve always thought about what a potentially fully complete Minecraft would look like but I guess that’ll never happen

[fresh bane]

Like yeah of course a very dedicated, active community is going to be understandably excited at any news about the game they love it's not 'huffing copium' like the article says

[green fulcrum]

Also, can I just say how much I despise the word "copium"? Especially given that so many people use it in a sarcastic or "HA! Take that!" sort of way, and it comes across as childish and very dickish.

[slim thorn]

what would "a fully complete Minecraft" even be?

[river veldt]

i dont know!

i just always thought the idea was cool

[green fulcrum]

Minecraft will never truly be "complete", because that's not in its design. It was never designed to be "complete" because it's unending.

[fresh bane]

Yeah I'm honestly happy for Minecraft's community since it seems like most of the additions are actually pretty nice

plus you can always just.. go back to any version you like the most

[green fulcrum]

There's still people who refuse to update past 1.7.10 because of the combat mechanics.

[river veldt]

smh Minecraft should have stopped updating at Beta 1.3 smh

[fresh bane]

If you played MC on 2009 and don't wanna play anything other than the beta versions where there's not even a hunger meter hey

as long as you're happy

but yeah it's a bummer to hear that the update sized update is just a holiday sized update

Why even make a blog post about it then?

Something's weird

[green fulcrum]

Technically, every update that you choose to stay on is the "feature complete" game.

For example, the Legacy Console Edition stopped at 1.13, and is thus "feature complete" for that version (even though the updates obviously continued on other editions).

[visual hill]

many people felt Beta 1.7.3 was feature-complete, but if you went back to it, most people would find it very incomplete

you don't know you're missing something until you get rid of it 🙂

[slim thorn]

I'm curious what "the average player" wants out of Minecraft these days

[visual hill]

guns, DRM, and limiting the map height to 7

[slim thorn]

since I don't play it, only watch one LP of it, my perspective on the game is firmly locked onto how Etho experiences the game, for whom it's great and mods are great but vanilla's biggest problem these days is inventory management now that there are so many items in total

[river veldt]

i want more dungeons and stuff!!! like with minibosses and loot!!!! like a zelda dungeon!!!!

[slim thorn]

but I doubt every player needs to have 100+ of every block properly categorized

[fresh bane]

I feel like Minecraft is the same case as DayZ was

There's a lot of different types of players who want very different things out of the game

DayZ had a bunch of different ways to play the game all focused on different things entirely

[slim thorn]

Minecraft does make it very easy to just ignore the parts you're not into

[fresh bane]

https://youtu.be/cj7JzmEf-_c

[river veldt]

i also want another End update!!!! with more biomes and stuff like the Nether update!!!!!

[fresh bane]

Good video recommend even if you're not into DayZ or know anything about it, it's a great watch

[slim thorn]

"even if" heh, I watch the most video essays on games I don't play because I don't know what they're like

[fresh bane]

The long and short of it like the thumbnail suggest is that yeah DayZ had a bunch of different things like PvP focused servers or basebuilding focused or just classic survival roaming around focused stuff so you had all these different ways of playing the game and I get the feeling Minecraft is extremely similar to that

Womble has a 3 part essay about DayZ that is also really interesting to watch so there's that too if you like that one

[river veldt]

another ore would be cool!!!! like a tier between stone and iron!!!!

[green fulcrum]

Better inventory management is a HUGE debate in the fandom. Not many people can agree on what is the best way to do it (beyond just making the inventory bigger, but that doesn't solve the underlying issue). Shulker boxes were a big help, but again, space wasn't the issue, it was management of that space that needed fixing. Mojang's attempt at it was the bundle, but to many players, it feel very flat on its face, and thus the bundle remains an unfinished, unobtainable item (you can get it from commands).

Some mods have tried to fix the issue, but it's still a mess.

[fresh bane]

What do you mean by better inventory management?

Is the inventory... not enough?

[slim thorn]

that did indeed lack a statement of the actual problem, but such things are difficult to pin down

[river veldt]

i think the inventory is good!!! maybe a bit bigger would be nice though!!!

[slim thorn]

but I think you're pointing at the same thing Etho's usually miffed by (despite going full shulker box engineer on it)

so I'm gonna take a crack at explaining it as

[green fulcrum]

As for updates, here's a quick list of updates that, according to the majority of the fandom, are a top priority:

• End Update
• Structures Update
• Biome Update (what the Wild Update was supposed to be...)
• Mob Update
• Combat Update v2 (this is confirmed to be coming)

[river veldt]

structures update???

like what i said????

[green fulcrum]

Updating old structures to be better-designed and more in-line with the more modern ones, yes.

[slim thorn]

even if you have space for every item you need, the total number of item types you need to switch between to do all the interesting stuff is just so high that you spend far too much time trying to find items in your inventory/chests/shulkers/storage compared to time spent doing stuff with those items

does that sound right?

[green fulcrum]

Yes, that's basically the main issue with the inventory, plus there also just so many items to pick up.

[river veldt]

the plumbing update

you can have sinks now

and bath tubs and if you dont bathe you are stinky and mobs run away from you

[green fulcrum]

That would also imply toilets, and Mojang had to go on record that they would never add poop to the game.

Believe me...it gets requested a lot, particularly by kids aged 4-8...

[fresh bane]

I feel like there's little one could do about that type of stuff if the problem is that it takes too long to find the items because there's just so much stuff

[slim thorn]

personally, more biomes and mobs feels like the safe, easy answer to an endless stream of content: there are nearly endless ways to make a new biome or mob feel different and serve some non-zero gameplay purpose, without threatening any of the existing stuff

[rugged flax]

dont remind me how many times i've left a stack of <insert mining junk here> floating on the floor to despawn in a mine because i needed room for one more stack of ore.

[river veldt]

boooo

[slim thorn]

making combat better or making structures stay interesting for more than five minutes after the update seem like much harder problems

[river veldt]

i want giant sentient poop monsters like Binding of Isaac

[slim thorn]

and I doubt are truly solveable now that the game has this much inertia in its current state

[green fulcrum]

...Oh my f*ck, I think I just solved the inventory issue. Right here, right now, it just came to me.

[fresh bane]

I feel like adding modern stuff would kinda take away from the core feeling of survival from MC

even though that survival aspect got kinda lost

the funny thing is that people already do modern styled houses with minecraft and have done so in the past already too

[minor gorge]

Sounds like bronze, which you would make by mixing copper with something like tin. Or perhaps make it possible to make copper tools.

[river veldt]

guys i just got the Gerudo outfit in BotW i forgor how cute Link looks in it

[river veldt]

yeah something like that would be cool!

[minor gorge]

[dire gate]

Fun fact : Terraria has both sinks and toilets

[rugged flax]

That just makes me want something like Tinkers Construct added to the base game

[green fulcrum]

F*ck, never mind, I thought I had actually solved the issue and was typing it out, but as I was doing that more problems cropped up, so it looks like it was a false alarm.

[slim thorn]

welcome to my job!

[minor gorge]

Sounds fun.

[slim thorn]

I've seen people use Tinkers Construct in videos but I never really "got" the appeal of most of the systems in it, besides having a lot more finer-grained tiers of tools?

[minor gorge]

When I played the game the first time around, I got mods that turned the game into what Factorio ended up being.

[rugged flax]

Tinkers tools never break
and you get unique traits based on the combinations of metals and alloys you use for each part

[green fulcrum]

I NEED the Create Mod added to the base game. It's perfect in every way, and very Minecraft-y.

I will die on this hill.

[hushed onyx]

I’m pretty sure this is in relation to a recent statement by Valve that was at least interpreted as meaning that they were working on a major new patch.

[rugged flax]

Sadly, Tinkers Construct is Forge only, no Fabric support, and hasn't been updated to 1.19.

[green fulcrum]

For those who don't know about the Create Mod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8W-f9YhYA

[hushed onyx]

Anyway, there can be perfectly good reasons to stop development on a game that you’ve supported and move on to something new, such as being able to make deeper and more significant changes than you could otherwise. Paradox games come to mind here, even if there still isn’t an EUV apparent.

[rugged flax]

Gosh, I'd love a pseudo-vanilla MC server with simple things like Tinkers that add more depth to the tool system and whatnot.

Nothing ridiculously over the top like Applied Energistics or Immersive Engineering, or Sevtech...but things like Tinkers and Farmer's Delight. Nice simple expansions on things like tools and food, like a Vanilla+.

[minor gorge]

Automation.

Now I want to play this.

[rugged flax]

Automation is awesome, but it can get complicated quickly, and it ain't for everyone.

[green fulcrum]

You don't have to go all the way with automation like in the video. If you want, you can just use all the cool devices to make some really nice decorative builds or to upgrade your farms a bit.

You can make windmills, trains, harvesters, mining vehicles (but you need rails for them to work so they aren't completely overpowered), and much more.

[minor gorge]

I play Factorio, so complication is not exactly a put-off.

Is fun looking at what is in a Minecraft world but having to manually make stuff (especially essentials) was a bit of a grind.

[green fulcrum]

See, I don't usually like a lot of automation, but something about Create's automation just feels so RIGHT, and so unique compared to a lot of other mods and modpacks.

And, again, you don't have to go crazy about it. You can have light automation, you can have heavy automation, or you can have none at all.

Or you can use those same machines to create a drawbridge, or a monorail, or a highly-sophisticated train system to take you to far away bases, and so much more.

That's why the mod isn't called Automate, it's called Create.

[minor gorge]

Excellent.

Maybe this can help me fall back in love with Minecraft.

[green fulcrum]

Oh! You can even do silly things with it, like creating a catapult highway that launches you from catapult to catapult. Why? No reason!

[minor gorge]

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/11-years-on-natural-selection-2s-going-to-that-great-alien-infested-spaceship-in-the-sky/

[visual hill]

I got my hands on God of War PC (someone gifted it to me)

[river veldt]

2018?

[visual hill]

yes

[dapper cedar]

Not the best on item collection but this game is tough with it

[fresh bane]

Is that Fusion?

[random steppe]

That game is a lot of fun

[visual hill]

it's a dadventure

hides

[random steppe]

It 100% is

I am very satisfied with the daddening of video games in recent years

Dad arcs are usually just kind of awesome

[slim thorn]

IIRC Fusion has a lot of items you can't get on the first pass and have to actively do a "cleanup" run for

[fresh bane]

Yeah I remember a video I've seen before talking about that and how it kinda sucks (at least for the person in the video)

[slim thorn]

personally I don't mind either way

granted it's been a very long time since I played Fusion

but I enjoy cleanup runs in good Metroidvania games

and IIRC the biggest reason it's like that is because as the story progresses the station changes in several ways that make previous areas temporarily inaccessible, which is excellent for story immersion and making backtracking interesting when they become accessible again

actually, better way to put it

[fresh bane]

which is funny considering most of the praise I hear for Metroid is how open it is and how little the game forces you to go in certain places and how much you can backtrack any time you wish

[slim thorn]

which is still mostly true

For example, one of those story events is the ice X entering a sector you've been to before, at a time when you're still vulnerable to ice. You can still go to that sector, but they'll probably kick your ass if you try it.

[slim thorn]

Metroidvania games should either ensure all the items are collectable on the first pass, and anything missing at the end truly was missed, or (what's more typical) have enough not-accessible-at-first items that there's enough to do during a cleanup run at the end; having to wander all over the world again for only 2-5 missing items would be kinda lame. How many "mandatory leftover" items is enough for that to be fun? Obviously depends on the game, but I doubt it needs to be higher than 10%.

[fresh bane]

Metroid 2 Remake also had sections that were only accessible after you || rescue? the little metroid baby || and it helps you access those areas with weird crystal things

It didn't super bother me at first but I understand from the perspective of a metroid player who is used to exploring everything with no restrictions at all it would be annoying

[green fulcrum]

"The baby."

God, Other M's plot was ASS.

[slim thorn]

I'm confused by the claim that Metroid players are used to going anywhere with no restrictioins

half the experience of a Metroidvania is seeing lots of doors and ledges and platforms you can't access until you get some ability later in the game

[river veldt]

why does she have the Batman thingies

oh cuz she’s part Metroid

duh

[gaunt marten]

Hands?

[slim thorn]

unless what you're trying to say is no artificial restrictions, only those which follow naturally from the player character's current abilities

[river veldt]

no the arm blades

[fresh bane]

Sure but for example in the case of Fusion there are places that are locked off for narrative purposes

Sure it serves a purpose but compare it to Super Metroid where you can freely access any part of the map

Sure you may be missing an upgrade but after you gain that upgrade you can totally backtrack and get that thing but if that place is locked off for the moment you can't

The thing with || the metroid baby || in M2R is similar but again it didn't super bother me, I do find it super weird that it's right at the end of the game, I think the game would've been better without it tbh

[slim thorn]

I think I've lost track of what's being argued and what's merely being compared

anyway

perhaps the crux of it is that I've never been the kind of player that values freedom for freedom's sake

areas I can access but aren't fun or interesting (yet?) are of no value to me

so all of these designs are equally viable for me (given everything else is properly designed around it), and had the series always done one or he other it'd probably be a bit too same-y

[gaunt marten]

What about the secret party room in Risk of Rain?

[slim thorn]

I don't know RoR

[gaunt marten]

Maybe we'll have to play it together one day. It's short and fun (talking about Risk of Rain 1)

[dire gate]

Oh yeah

the one at the last stage right?

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[slim thorn]

RoR might be one of the games I tried briefly during the early boom of roguelites and got quickly bored of, convincing me roguelites weren't my thing until approximately Hades

[gaunt marten]

It is my favorite game of all time

[astral steeple]

https://dotesports.com/general/news/free-dlc-brings-final-fantasy-vii-to-powerwash-simulator

[proud warren]

bruh what the fuck: a bit of context; a few friends of mine decided to play thru aimlessly, we messed around a bit, and we somehow beat all of our records by just doing brainless shit

[dull walrus]

Dam I didn't expect splatoon 4 to come out so early

[thorny loom]

https://kotaku.com/multiversus-steam-pc-pickle-rick-morty-player-count-1850120234

[craggy vine]

Show me what you got

[chilly mural]

Freedom Planet 2 is tight as fuck

[thorny loom]

https://www.pcgamer.com/total-war-warhammer-3-is-making-one-of-the-series-greatest-ever-campaigns-free-for-all-owners/

[rough sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MYQjq1y41A

[light gate]

Holy shit

It looks like they took the original game, and slapped steroids on it.

[thorny loom]

Well it got 2k funding it better

[light gate]

Ehhh, 2K did some shady shit.

Originally they got into a beef with the studio developing this title, which is why it took longer to develop. I presume it either got the studio switched or they had to restart development.

‘Intercept Games’ yep, Star Theory died

Mac and Linux builds are planned on their roadmap apparently, so that’s awesome to hear they’re gonna support all platforms. I also presume they’ll try to bring it to consoles. They are!

https://www.kerbalspaceprogram.com/games-kerbal-space-program-2

[quiet swift]

Neat. Critic reviews of wild hearts seems to be pretty positive overall. Nice quote from one review: "Still, that Wild Hearts gets so much right on its first tentative step into the arena is bloody impressive. Omega Force has created the first title I’ve played that is a genuine contender in the space and they’ve done more than enough to justify Wild Hearts’ place in it. The result is something meaningfully different in a genre no one else has been able to touch. It’s kind of like if someone made a Souls-like on par with an actual Souls."

[rancid herald]

wild hearts?

[quiet swift]

Ea and koei tecmo's monster hunter competitor

[rancid herald]

I see

[random steppe]

So far it seems like the PC port is very very bad tho, hopefully they fix it

The game seems to be pretty good

[quiet swift]

I haven't heard very bad but definitely some performance issues. But they've had an early access thing available if you had the EA game pass thing on their app, since monday, so they're already cranking out patches

[random steppe]

https://twitter.com/SkillUpYT/status/1625763681220059136 that's what I base myself on, he also has a review up at this point

Skill Up (@SkillUpYT)

Touching base on this, as you reach the later zones the whole game looks uglier and runs way worse. I'd describe it as borderline unplayable when in a squad. Man, such a bummer. Great game, but this PC performance is shockingly bad.

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[quiet swift]

Yeah I just saw a reddit post quote that

First reply: "Saw a post on the wild hearts subreddit, apparently it is because on pc it is forced to only use a single core of your CPU (what) so it gets insanely bottlenecked. There was a devpost saying they’re aware of the issue and hoping to put a fix out within a week"

[random steppe]

And I pretty much implicitly trust SkillUp on anything that isn't Destiny 2

[rancid herald]

single core?!

SINGLE CORE?!

[quiet swift]

Searching a bit more, this reviewer apparently is overselling the "unplayable" aspect. Quote:
"My rig is 4 years old. I have an old i5 9770k, RTX 2060 and 32gb of ddr5 (I think?) - Resolution at 1080p. Settings at medium to high. I played the trial, so not even the release client. I noticed some frame issues but nothing that made me go "this is unplayable!" I fought Ragetail and did some exploring and it was perfectly fine. I'm getting it on PS5 because objectively it'll be better on that than my rig but that's the thing with pcs, mileage may vary."

[rancid herald]

damn I thought I was having a rough time being single on Valentine day but I guess I'm still better off than this poor core

[random steppe]

With bad ports often performance doesn't scale linarly

Also, as skillup pointed out, the problem is more noticeable in later areas.

And in co-op.

From the full review seems like the problem is a bit that larger areas are much more demanding, and a lot that in co-op, you have 4 players building a bunch of destructible towers and contraptions and the game can't handle it

[quiet swift]

And hopefully the patches they're working on resolve that

[random steppe]

Yeah, ideally

[quiet swift]

(also it's 3 max, not 4)

[spare scaffold]

I am so excited. KSP 1 has been my most played game since forever.

[quiet swift]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Wild-Hearts/An-Update-From-the-Team/m-p/12309086/thread-id/742

[random steppe]

Good to know, I don't currently have a MH itch, but if I happen to get one, WH is currently looking like a good option

[quiet swift]

[random steppe]

If you are on PC, right now tho, I would advise to wait and see if they are able to actually get it to a good place if you don't have a monster PC.
I am confident that they will try at least.

[quiet swift]

Both myself and my fiancée have a 3070 and a 5600x or higher cpu. I did briefly try the trial but mostly for like 5 minutes and it felt fine

And i'm getting the codes free anyway so

[random steppe]

Yeah apologies, I didn't mean you specifically, I meant more as a general "you" as to, whoever is interested in the game

The PC port is currently bad, it might get fixed, but waiting a bit is probably not a bad idea

[quiet swift]

Steam negative reviews seem to be exclusively performance related. Those that talk about the rest of the game are positive, by the looks of things

[graceful bridge]

https://twitter.com/midnightsuns/status/1626284041740886016

Marvel's Midnight Suns (@midnightsuns)

There’s no better time than the present to try Marvel’s Midnight Suns! Play the game this weekend on Steam at no cost to you, from now until Feb 19 at 10am PT.

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[fresh bane]

wow I really don't like those designs

[rose rose]

Fortunately you don’t see any of them until the very last mission (or if you go out of your way to)

Which makes them a slightly odd marketing choice but I guess it’s thematic

[river veldt]

what did they do to Spider-Man 😭

[fresh bane]

his 'regular' suit isn't really much better

they keep trying to reinvent Spidey's suit when it's already hit perfection

The eye shape is so weird too

[slim thorn]

his muscles look... overinflated?

[fresh bane]

He looks like he's made of rubber

[river veldt]

Spidey what happened 😭

[sonic dune]

Meth.

[river veldt]

SPIDER-MAN WOULD NEVER DO METH AIGNFNWNHW

@slim thorn has Spider-Man ever consumed an illegal substance on purpose in the comics

[slim thorn]

uh

[sonic dune]

Green goblin laced his coffee with meth and peter got instantly addicted

[slim thorn]

nothing jumps to mind

[river veldt]

epic

see i told you he wouldnt do drugs Melody

[sonic dune]

This is true and real I'm not making anything up
Sources: did trust me

[river veldt]

did trust me

[slim thorn]

what I can say with more confidence is that drug dealers have been Spider-Man villains more than once

[slim thorn]

in particular, what famously kicked off the death of the CCA was Stan Lee running a Spidey v drugs story at the request of the US government in spite of depicting drugs being against CCA rules

[quiet swift]

Speaking of Epic

[river veldt]

yooo

the CCA sound like a bunch of prudes

[fresh bane]

Oh yeah comicbook characters sometimes broke the fourth wall to tell kids it ain't cool to do drugs

[slim thorn]

by modern standards, the Hays Code and the Comics Code were both hilariously prudish, yes

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheComicsCode and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode are both worth a read

[gaunt marten]

Did Spiderman ever fight cocaine man?

[fresh bane]

Is cocaine man made out of cocaine or does he just sell cocaine?

[gaunt marten]

He gets his superpowers from cocaine

[fresh bane]

if he's made out of cocaine like sandman that's actually kinda scary

oh fuck

he's too strong

[gaunt marten]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflame#:~:text=Snowflame gets his powers from,foes an instant contact high.

[fresh bane]

FUCK OFF THIS ISN'T REAL

THAT CAN'T BE A REAL SENTENCE THAT I JUST READ

[slim thorn]

lol

[fresh bane]

this is actually hilarious

this is so fucking silly

he makes you addicted to cocaine by touching you

[river veldt]

Drug Addiction: Cocaine

[fresh bane]

I like how that's listed under ''Other characteristics''

like it's something that's not super important

''Oh yeah also he's cripplingly addicted to cocaine''

[slim thorn]

re-reading the actual CCA rules is always funny, I think my favorites are

"Scenes dealing with, or instruments associated with walking dead, torture, vampires and vampirism, ghouls, cannibalism, and werewolfism are prohibited."
and
"Females shall be drawn realistically without exaggeration of any physical qualities."

[fresh bane]

Equipment:

Cocaine

[slim thorn]

they specifically outlawed werewolves

[fresh bane]

What is the CCA?

[river veldt]

Comics Code Association i think

[slim thorn]

^ Comics Code Authority

[fresh bane]

Those are such silly arbitrary rules

what the hell

[slim thorn]

not that the exact wording is too important

[river veldt]

damn it i was so close

[slim thorn]

but in the Silver Age basically every western comic book had that CCA approval stamp

[static bluff]

Question has Sonic done drugs?

[river veldt]

no

[static bluff]

Follow up, what about gun sonic?

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[fresh bane]

What years were the silver age?

[river veldt]

60s to 70s?

[slim thorn]

the ages have multiple definitions, once again TVTropes has the best explanations I'm aware of: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks

[gaunt marten]

https://redd.it/f5a8ft

[river veldt]

i love Silver Age stuff

[fresh bane]

The Silver Age lasted from 1954note to about 1972 (although some people count everything up until 1985 as part of it, folding in The Bronze Age of Comic Books).
Ah yeah, america was a wierd place in between those years

[static bluff]

Haha chili dogs

[slim thorn]

The Silver Age was a time of talking gorillas and super-powered pets, of covers that were created before the story and seventeen types of Kryptonite.

I just love the descriptions they used

[river veldt]

WHY ARE THERE A TRILLION TYPES OF KRYPTONITE

[slim thorn]

"because silver age" honestly is the best answer

[fresh bane]

[river veldt]

i wanna read Silver Age Spider-Man

[fresh bane]

I can't believe there's a Sonic character that overdosed on drugs

[river veldt]

is it good

[fresh bane]

That's fucking hilarious

[slim thorn]

there's a reason nearly every comic I ever recommend is from the modern age, and most of the exceptions are bronze or dark age

[slim thorn]

Ixrec — 09/28/2022 2:40 AM
Stan Lee's original The Amazing Spider-Man run is one of the very few silver age comics I genuinely enjoyed reading and would recommend; usually anything that old just doesn't click for me

[river veldt]

oh ok

i figured it was good considering Stan Lee wrote it

[fresh bane]

The '50s also saw a general turn toward conservatism in American society as a reaction against the disruption of the War, and pushing the envelope or questioning social norms was frowned upon. This is most obvious when it comes to female characters, who had been more independent back in the Golden Age – this is the era when Wonder Woman became vaguely apologetic about rescuing male characters; and Lois Lane, who had been portrayed as an ambitious career woman before, decided her main goal in life was forcing Superman to marry her and becoming a housewife.
Oh woah

[slim thorn]

I mean, even Stan's written duds, or stuff that didn't age well lol

[river veldt]

i mean yeah duh

[slim thorn]

I know, right? and the Hays code had a very similar effect on Hollywood around the same time

[fresh bane]

Man the silver age sounds whack

[river veldt]

wow the 50s sucked if you were anything besides a straight white male huh

[fresh bane]

I mean in america sure I guess

Morality in Silver Age comics was extremely black and white; heroes in particular followed a strict, moralistic code of conduct. Since dealing with serious real-world issues was frowned upon, wacky Speculative Fiction plots that bore no relation to reality became increasingly common.

Yaaaaawn, boooring

[slim thorn]

everything makes sense now doesn't it

[river veldt]

now that i think about it has Spidey ever questioned if what he’s doing was right or not i cant think of any except maybe Spider-Man 2

[fresh bane]

Yeah when he was about to kill the gobbo

[slim thorn]

it's definitely come up, but the usual framing is that superheroing has a cost to his personal life and is it worth that cost

[fresh bane]

That's the first one that comes to mind to me

[slim thorn]

and yeah there's always the classic do I kill the Joker question

[river veldt]

Gobbo

[slim thorn]

a more interesting and non-standard example might be in comic Civil War where Spider-Man was in-universe famous for (seriously actual spoilers if you might someday read it) ||publicly revealing his identity to show support for registration, and then switching to Cap's side later in the story after seeing some of the enforcement||

[river veldt]

so ||he was on Iron Man’s side but then switched to Cap?||

[slim thorn]

yup

||if you thought MCU fans were whiny about "Iron Lad", maaaaaan ||

[fresh bane]

Yeah I remember that one of the reasons was || when Spidey noticed Tony was spying on him and MJ when they were living with him ||

[river veldt]

Sam Raimi just kinda stole this /j

[fresh bane]

'Revenge bad' but it kinda works

[slim thorn]

you know how I say the MCU has never directly adapted a specific comic storyline?

the Raimi films are much closer to their source

[fresh bane]

Absolutely

[river veldt]

ok i adore Spider-Man 1 but Goblin’s suit is not the best and No Way Home made the right call by getting rid of the helmet Willem Dafoe already looks like a goblin man anyways

[fresh bane]

when a man dies, even a man like the goblin, it should mean something
so it doesn't mean we live in vain
funny, i thought seeing the goblin die would make me feel better about gwen
instead, it just makes me feel empty, washed out... and maybe just a little bit more alone

[slim thorn]

I like how even after this super serious dramatic moment Stan Lee can't stop himself from going "TUNE IN NEXT TIME" in the yellow rectangles

[fresh bane]

[river veldt]

Ixrec who is the mystery man

[fresh bane]

FIND OUT ON THE NEXT ISSUE...!

[slim thorn]

to be clear I haven't read this chunk of spiderbooks myself

but I'm guessing it's Harry Osborn

[river veldt]

oh Harry wasn’t a Raimi invention?

[slim thorn]

nope

[fresh bane]

No

[river veldt]

for some reason i was under the impression he was

[fresh bane]

Harry has always been there

[river veldt]

does he become the New Goblin or whatever in the comics

[fresh bane]

and MAN casting Dane Dehaan and James Franco as Harry is such an upgrade, look at this fucking creep

Like he's not actually a creep most of the times but eugh just look at him

[river veldt]

lmao