Irony / Sarcasm

[fair lynx]

@burnt sequoia

[rare harbor]

noooooooooooooo

[fair lynx]

We need an entire thread for this v1 i0

[rare harbor]

what if you go like this [v1][i-1]

[burnt sequoia]

kindly edit the opening post to include an irony marker [v1][i0] dont want to set a bad example for the kids v1i1

[fair lynx]

You can't negatively scale irony unless you do it ironically v1 i2

[burnt sequoia]

uuuh, that would be ironic, going off the strict parity definition v1i0

[rare harbor]

your opinion is invalid, I can do what I want [v1][i-4]

[clear geyser]

the problem is I honestly don't know what level of irony I'm on half the time

[burnt sequoia]

hmm, range markers? then v1i1?

some syntax like, i1-3 to demarcate uncertianty

[fair lynx]

Your second sentence

Don't want to set a bad example for the kids
is interpreted as you want to set a bad example for the kids, considering scaled irony.
v1 i0

[fair lynx]

You would need to use quotes on that first set of tags, and then use an actual tag. v1 i0

[burnt sequoia]

i intended it to mean we are allready setting a bad example v1i0, this is why we need more axies v1i0

[fair lynx]

break.. I am halting use of the v1 standard due to it ebing more confusing to interact with.

[burnt sequoia]

ok

[fair lynx]

We need a new system

forget the axises

Let's think non-euclidean [sarcasm]

[rare harbor]

what about fractional levels

[fair lynx]

explain :0

[burnt sequoia]

no

ok fine, explain

it better be good though, fractionals sound like a pain to deal with v1i0

[rare harbor]

I don't know

I have no explanation

i3 btw

[fair lynx]

Shit

[burnt sequoia]

sigh

were getting nowhere with this

[rare harbor]

my computer is an i7

[fair lynx]

nono

let's keep going

thinking

[burnt sequoia]

plain intent marking wasnt enough, we need some way to encode what type of logical step is needed

[clear geyser]

guys, why don't we just have a confusing set of subtle hints such as body language to communicate sarcasm! /s

[rare harbor]

can we have an eepiness scale too

ideas are less reliable when eepy

[fair lynx]

Hmm I have an idea...

[burnt sequoia]

sure, eepiness marks asurity in the idea

[fair lynx]

we should first define irony

[clear geyser]

me at the top of the scale 24/7

[burnt sequoia]

e0 means total confidence

[burnt sequoia]

good idea

[fair lynx]

So what the fuck is an irony? /s

[clear geyser]

e10 means nodding off and going hoonk mimimimimi hoonk mimimimimi

[rare harbor]

NO

[burnt sequoia]

no i think we should keep that scale bounded at 9

[rare harbor]

no definitions allowed

[clear geyser]

it's like rain on your wedding day /ref /lyr

[rare harbor]

definitions are bad

[burnt sequoia]

uuuh

[clear geyser]

but I'm too eepy

[rare harbor]

I don't like definitions

[burnt sequoia]

irony marking on that statment pls? v1i3

[rare harbor]

zero

no irony

I do not like definitions.

[fair lynx]

We must focus

leave eepiness

that is not the current focus

[rare harbor]

I will elaborate on this theory in #queer

later

[fair lynx]

So what is Irony..

[burnt sequoia]

huh

no fucking clue

how about this

its a slightly bigger problem, but its easier to define imo

a way to mark out the intended interpretation from any utterance

[rare harbor]

irony is when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food

[fair lynx]

Hmm......

This still avoids the entire point

There is a major major issue here

That will result in all following systems to not work as intended

no one knows what the fuck irony is /gen

[clear geyser]

chat imma have to link the jreg video on irony ig since he seems to be the closest thing to an expert on the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsuSveDAlpI

[burnt sequoia]

wdym? /gen

[fair lynx]

Are we all set to watch this in an activity on call on mute rn?

[rare harbor]

no

e9

I am not ready

need to decrease the e

by increasing the E

[fair lynx]

There is a theory:

bad in ->
bad out ->

Good in ->
good out ->

lack of understanding of irony in ->
lack of understanding of irony out ->

[burnt sequoia]

im up for it

lets keep the discussion here not the vc chat

babies are animals according to him confirmed v1i3

is that ironic though??

its just the same intent being litterally translated through a diffrent form now

[rare harbor]

no I don't agree

bouncy castle rave goes hard though

[burnt sequoia]

i dont like this classification system, also yes a bouncy castle allways goes hard v1i0

[rare harbor]

that's not ironic

that's just wrong

[burnt sequoia]

i think this classification system is worse than ours honestly

it just meaninglessly splits irony of content and form and includes things that arent even irony imo

[fair lynx]

I think it has a base

[rare harbor]

this was a horrible video i0

[clear geyser]

it probably is, but it's less wrong than what we have so far maybe idk at this point I'm kinda making shit up

[fair lynx]

I think it has a base.

[burnt sequoia]

there was some good ideas in it i think

[clear geyser]

fair enough looking back on it I think ur right

[fair lynx]

okok let's look at irony like this:

There is an expectation.

Irony is the subversion of that expectation

you can subverge in many ways

We use a clasification system to communicate in what was we are minipulating the expectation.

[burnt sequoia]

i think an important part of the definition given in the video is the context removal caused by meta irony

i,,, i cannot belive i just unironicly said that v1i0

[fair lynx]

Yeah I agree. removing that context means it is entirely unaccessable.

but that is the point of meta irony

it's not meant to be understood.

[burnt sequoia]

hmm i propose we keep the intent axis

[fair lynx]

It doesn't contain any meaning

[fair lynx]

I am hearing you out

[burnt sequoia]

and add a distance to refrence axis

[fair lynx]

Fuk

[burnt sequoia]

this does not help with the problem of where the expectations are being subverted, but we would need something besides a numerical scale for that

and honestly im too eppy to think about that rn v1.5i0e2

[fair lynx]

Same here

it is midnight

[burnt sequoia]

ok proposal for irony demarcations v1.5

[rare harbor]

do older versions become instantly deprecated

[fair lynx]

Ye

[rare harbor]

I think for the sake of effective communication they should be

[unborn dawn]

what in the heck is this

why is there semver

[fair lynx]

This is a deep anaylsis on irony and how to effectively communciate it.

[unborn dawn]

inch resting

[rare harbor]

it is also me trying to uneep

[burnt sequoia]

# Irony Demarcations v1,5 WIP
> no implicit markers allowed, all utterances must be marked (this rule may be ignored during test phases)
> no ironic uses of the irony markers,

## the `intent scale`:
the intent scale demarcates distance from litteral interpretation to intended interpritation
an even intent means the interpritation should be taken litterally
an odd intent means the interpritation is the opposite,
the higher on the scale, the more compelx the context and thought process implied may be

EXAMPLE USECASE

'i HATE oranges'
i0: they really hate oranges
i1: wait, they said they love oranges before, this must be ironic
i2: but they just threw up after eating 500 oranges, so maybe they really hate oranges

## the `context scale`:
the distance to refrences scale, or context for short, marks the level of outside context needed to interpret the statment

a 0 on the scale means a basic understanding of the language and current cultural norms
a 1 means the current conversation is enough
a 9 means an injoke only the utterer has any reasonable expectation of knowing

EXAMPLE

'i HATE oranges'
i00: they really hate oranges
i10: they really love oranges
i01: oranges is an in reference for something
i11: wait, they said they love oranges before, this must be ironic
i21: but they just threw up after eating 500 oranges, so maybe they really hate oranges

## the `eepy scale`:
this is the most straightforward scale
the eepyness scale marks the level of confidence the utterer has in the utterance, and goes from 0 to 9
an eepyness  0 means the utterer has compleate confidence in their current utterance at time of uttering,
a 9 means the utterer is currently is mentally incapbable of being coherent to any degree 

# Syntax WIP
mark out statments with an i followed by 3 digits
the first digit is the `intent`, the second is the `context` the third is `eepyness`
when using an older version, precede with a v followed by the version nubmer of the system you are using

The above document is a work in progress

[rare harbor]

markers must be nonnegative integers

[fair lynx]

Let's use two bits

i00

is gen

which we can assume all text unless stated otherwise.

the first bit refers to intent scale

and the second bit refers to distance to context

[left lichen]

what is happening

[fair lynx]

i00 is gen, since context is right here and intent scale is 0

[burnt sequoia]

science!

[fair lynx]

This is a deep anaylsis on irony and how to effectively communciate it.

[burnt sequoia]

i think it should be marked by a seperate letter, like d

so d5 to mean,,, something TBD

[fair lynx]

I really think this should be easy to type....

[rare harbor]

they're not bits are they...

they're dits

decimal digits

[fair lynx]

I think that i00 format is easier to read and easier to type

[rare harbor]

:>

[fair lynx]

oop I stand corrected.

dits they are.

[rare harbor]

maybe a symbol for purity is needed

so you don't write 0 0 all the ttime

[fair lynx]

so i think that you should have all messages to be assumed i00 unless it is explicitly stated otherwise.

[rare harbor]

or that\

[burnt sequoia]

ok, so what should the numbers on the distance scale mean?

0- a basic understanding of the language and current cultural norms

9- an injoke only the utterer is supposed to understand

what in between though?

[fair lynx]

now there stands an issue of this interaction:

jeb: hahhaa go jump of a 4 story building see how that ends up.
kate: wait, where is the irony tag? 
jeb: it's postmetaironic, I have removed the tag as a form of irony
kate: Fuck you you lil bitch ass mf 

[daring turtle]

im totally gonna read this definitely not busy send me all the messages you want

[fair lynx]

Is this ironic?

[burnt sequoia]

fuck you, immideate ban from any and all comunication where irony markers are expected v1.5 i3 e4

[fair lynx]

understood

i00 should be used

for everything

Since i is basically an injection, no irony can act on the i tag as it operates outside of irony.

[burnt sequoia]

agreed i002

order goes i d e, agreed?

[daring turtle]

meta ironic. the truth is i am busy byw

[burnt sequoia]

how is that meta ironic though? thats just ironic?

an intent rating of 1

and a context rating of 9

we would have to be you to know you are busy
ammendment: we had no reasonable way to know you were busy

[fair lynx]

So for clarity this is how this should go about:

| intent | distance to context | meaning               |
| ------ | ------------------- | --------------------- |
| 0      | 0                   | genuine               |
| 1      | 0                   | ironic sarcasm        |
| 0      | 1                   | reference             |
| 1      | 1                   | ironic reference      |

Using this in the orange model:

'i HATE oranges'
i00: they really hate oranges
i10: they really love oranges
i01: oranges is an in reference for something
i11: wait, they said they love oranges before, this must be ironic
i21: but they just threw up after eating 500 oranges, so maybe they really hate oranges

[burnt sequoia]

hmmm

i01 dosnt fit imo

[fair lynx]

:0

[burnt sequoia]

the interpretation is a refrence for something else, so its not literall

but we have no way of marking that >:(

hmmmm

it works for now ig

[fair lynx]

Yeah we can come up with something more strong later.

Wanna test it?

[burnt sequoia]

yes i002

[fair lynx]

three '0's? i00?

[burnt sequoia]

the eepy scale marker

[fair lynx]

interesting... i00

[daring turtle]

wait did we agree on a rating system?

[fair lynx]

yes ! i00

[burnt sequoia]

hmm gimme a seccond to update the documents i000

[fair lynx]

See above i01 !

[daring turtle]

i just thought it would be funny to use a confusing ironic statement to introduce myself in the thread about irony

ok i have to not go again and i will be staying and reading replies instantly /s

[fair lynx]

heard ! i00

[burnt sequoia]

^

done i00

wdything i00

[fair lynx]

let me be clear i21

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-be-clear-uhhh-meme-gif-25693361

[daring turtle]

ok i am not back /s where is not the document
(i think this counts as post irony?)

[burnt sequoia]

ok that works i00

hmm

[fair lynx]

awesome i00 !

[fair lynx]

nope i00 hahaha

looka at the docs i01

[daring turtle]

where arr the docs

[burnt sequoia]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jhc4z4UKCn9_74paex8L5kTZ3bcoNsTlEGuq8R0psww/https/media.infosec.exchange/infosec.exchange/media_attachments/files/112/234/577/882/740/277/original/db8482c5a1f19bc0.png?format=webp&quality=lossless&width=580&height=734

i02

[fair lynx]

Oh we can do meta irony with a 2+ step on refernece i00

[fair lynx]

A reference to a refence i01

[burnt sequoia]

hmmm

|
| i
| |
| _

i04

[fair lynx]

You did it perfectly i00

I understand nothing i00

[daring turtle]

guys i totally know where the docs are /s

[rare harbor]

I’m at a loss for words

[fair lynx]

here i01

[burnt sequoia]

lmaooooo

that would be i14

:D the system works!

[daring turtle]

why put it in a code block? markdown already works on pisscord

[fair lynx]

fuck yeah !!! i01

[burnt sequoia]

it looks cooler i002

[fair lynx]

Easier on the eyes i01

[fair lynx]

true ! i01

[daring turtle]

i disagree

/gen

[burnt sequoia]

in leu of a mod to pin this

i will just keep replying to it

[fair lynx]

lmaooo i01

[daring turtle]

i think it would be cool to design the syntax such as to allow non-confusing ironic use of irony markers

ok so here are my suggestions: might be better to have letter markers for each thing so it’s easier to learn. “i11” kinda looks like a 2 digit number yknow?

that or maybe dots or dashes between values

as in i0-1

or i0.1 or i0c1

[burnt sequoia]

i wanted the letter markers, but marcie said no

i think the dots are a nice comprimise i.0.0.3

[daring turtle]

um secondly maybe you should be able to escape one with a backslash \i01 if you are using it ironically

this would allow for more jokes to be told without being confusing

[burnt sequoia]

NO

[daring turtle]

ok

[burnt sequoia]

no using the system ironicly i.0.0.3

[daring turtle]

:(

[burnt sequoia]

update, this doc is almost exactly the discord character limmit

[daring turtle]

just reread

i quite like the eepyness scale. that’s pretty helpful /i01

[rare harbor]

dash can be misconstrued

with negative numbers

[daring turtle]

fair

what about letter markers? such as i0e1

why not those?

also where will this be published?

[rare harbor]

let’s make a repo

[burnt sequoia]

ooh good idea i004

i gotta go to sleep tho, i think im to eepy to do anything productive rn i004

heh, eepynes marked with an eepy marker i314

[daring turtle]

why is there a third digit now

[daring turtle]

based

[burnt sequoia]

digit 3 is eepyness

[daring turtle]

what are digits 1 and 2

[burnt sequoia]

just rtfm i.1.2.4

1 is intent, 2 is context

[daring turtle]

what will the repo be called? a repo with one file just seems a bit odd to me so i think it makes sense to generalize it into something that isn’t just the one file i011

[daring turtle]

oh i didnt realize those were separate, makes sense

[daring turtle]

ohh christianity is so unpopular oohhh we’re so oppressed opens the 69th church on the same street i123

(is this correct usage?)

[burnt sequoia]

uuh probably 3 on the intent score, as you are refrencing someone elses belif for the purpose of ridicule and not just to state the opposite and 3 on the context mby?

idk this is all wishy wahsy

i014

[daring turtle]

i guess i can see what you mean with the intent thing since it is my sarcastic interpretation of what someone else might think

[burnt sequoia]

we need far more examples

[daring turtle]

what exactly is the goal of this standard beyond just defining levels of irony? what are we trying to help people accomplish?

[ionic kindle]

im kinda confused

[thick otter]

"What's the goal of [any] standard beyond defining x" there is none, that's about 100% of the goal

[daring turtle]

example:

the html standard describes the structure of html files.

…for browsers to render html files consistently.

…for people to have an easy time viewing websites, and for developers to have an easy time writing them

if html was made to create, say, video games, it might be designed a bit differently.

so my question is what benefits do people get specifically from using this standard? that might help inform the design.

[daring turtle]

it could be interesting if this was “backwards compatible” with tone tags

[fair lynx]

Ooo

interestinggg

[daring turtle]

idk exactly how that would work tho

/i0c0e0

maybe optionally append a traditional tone tag to the end idk

just a random idea this probably isnt perfecr

[rare harbor]

ice

🧊

[daring turtle]

maybe this can be called The ICE Model of Sarcasm or something

[rare harbor]

I would rather that acronym be associated with this rather than the organization that wants to kick me out of america /i2c1e3

[olive summit]

wtf

[daring turtle]

if you dont like my format suggestion thats ok its just a random idea

personally i think compatibility with tone tags would be neat, and letter labels might make the format easier to learn (though i admit they are less concise)

[rare harbor]

imagine teaching this to an ai /i6c2e2

[olive summit]

wut dat

oh wait i thought i was in a different thread

[daring turtle]

also letter labels might make backwards/forwards compatibility with future versions easier

[olive summit]

lemme read post

#1231628631466446961 message

[daring turtle]

imagine for example if there were multiple optional values added later

[olive summit]

javascript is an amazing language /i9

i have a feeling only /i3 and /i9 will ever be used

/i91300K /j

[rare harbor]

my cpu is a /i7

[olive summit]

mine is an /i5

(this was definitely not how it was intended to be used)

what baout IED

d = drunk

[rare harbor]

ICED

🥶

who up feeling iced

[olive summit]

real

whats E

[rare harbor]

the pill that is saving my life

[daring turtle]

look at this cat /i1

[olive summit]

i absolutely adore eating raw lemons /i386 /s

[daring turtle]

when did you eat lemon

[olive summit]

fair enough

[daring turtle]

what

[olive summit]

wait

META-TONE INDICATORS

bananas are great /i1 /s

bananas arent great /s
bananas are great

[daring turtle]

this is part of what i suggested with the tone indicator compatibility thing. i was thinking something more like /i1j for “one inversion, joke”

[olive summit]

nope this succks

[daring turtle]

ok then

[olive summit]

amybe

[rare harbor]

this sounds like The Is Language

[daring turtle]

what

[rare harbor]

a "personal philosophical language" that was reviewed on Conlang Critic

and it was a pretty scathing review

[daring turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/chalmers-simpsons-may-i-see-it-talking-gif-11870196

[burnt sequoia]

test data :O i000

[hollow rune]

daterrrbase php be killing me spongboy me bob

ep9

@daring turtle nah, this is a good time to "what"

eepy scale 9

[daring turtle]

i think this might be worth talking about idk sorry for being pushy

[rare harbor]

this text on wikipedia is surely at least an i4

[daring turtle]

what exactly does each i level mean? is it one inversion? what are the steps to unpack this i4 into an i0?

[quick willow]

Pray

[burnt sequoia]

two layers is probably the deadpan tone used, treating the aglo seriously while it is clearly ment to be a joke?

[daring turtle]

i wanted to know why sabrina specifically thinks it’s a 4 since she is the one who made that claim and i’m trying to understand

[rare harbor]

I think the length of the text also contributes

if you're just going on and on, you're naturally probing the irony more

[daring turtle]

but what changes would you make to create the hypothetical i3, i2, i1, and i0 versions of the text, if that’s even a thing?

particularly i3

[rare harbor]

I have no idea

this whole thing is too advanced for my brain

I go on vibes

[fair lynx]

EXPLAIN i11

HOW DOES ONE USE VIBES??????? i21

[quick willow]

i69

[fair lynx]

dies i41

[rare harbor]

it was part of my training to mask the autism

[daring turtle]

i really keep reading this as intent level 11 and intent level 21. having no separator is pretty unintuitive to me personally

[burnt sequoia]

i think after reading the convos with irony markers, the most usefull part is the total distance from litterally i002

and with the parity of the whole statement, w/ or not its worth trying to interpret i012

but the context scale is a bit too vauge imo i002

we need better standards for it i002

[fair lynx]

the struggle is getting a balance between verbosity and ease of typing and reading. I can't intake and process tons of characters at the same time. this also works on the output, I can't type tons of characters at the same time, and pushing an entire blob like this. which is what I think is the right way to go about processing this.. it just all doesn't vibe well.. so we need a new balance i01

until that point I will use the current syntax. i02

[daring turtle]

someone said dots would be a decent compromise. it’s still just as many chars as letter markers or dashes, but they are thin and are the same char each time

[burnt sequoia]

also close on most keybords to a space i.0.1.0

[crisp igloo]

What's the etymology of "eepy"?

[daring turtle]

though at that point it looks like a version number and if we are going to have dots in the version number, that might be unclear visually

[rare harbor]

it's easier to say eepy when you're sleepy (maybe)

[daring turtle]

sleepy

[burnt sequoia]

uwu for sleepy i210

[quick willow]

Probing the system for details every time must be fun i372

[daring turtle]

maybe it’s when you’re so sleepy that when you talk the consonants barely come out

[burnt sequoia]

this is moslty just a thought experement for me, i doubt it will ever be a fully practical tool i014

me and marcie are the only people who even use it most the time i000

[daring turtle]

if i understand correctly i4 implies that there would be an i3 way to say the text right?

[crisp igloo]

I'm sad it's something silly. My conlang daydreams almost always mark for evidentiality, so I was hoping for another relatted term. :)

[quick willow]

Ye there're too many variables for this to be useful iunexpected end of instructions
fuk

[burnt sequoia]

its more like there are 4 logical steps between the litteral meaning, and what is intended to be understood, each additional step taking the form of an inversion

[burnt sequoia]

write a proposal for that and see if it sticks!

[daring turtle]

yes but like, wouldn’t there be some transformation to the text that each inversion represents?

[burnt sequoia]

probably? i014

[rare harbor]

eepy can also be a toki pona word

:)

"ipi"

[daring turtle]

when two languages have some of the same phonemes in them

[quick willow]

Ngl the time I saw this I thought it was some kind of a fancy eyes emoji

[rare harbor]

no complex onsets in my good language!

[crisp igloo]

To add on to this thing you have here?

[burnt sequoia]

if you think an evidentiality marker could be usefull, write a way to mark it i002

i dont think it would fit on the distance to litterallity space we have now though i002

[crisp igloo]

Nah, the thought wasn't that immediately applicable.

[ionic kindle]

okay i think i might be getting it?

so i0 would be unironic
i1 would be ironic/sarcastic
and i2 would be post/meta-ironic?

@fair lynx ?

you seem the most qualified to answer this

okay once I figure this out i'll try to spread it into other servers

[fair lynx]

Not exactly... Meta/post irony is a decent model but not at all numeric in any sense.

Let's craete a little example

take the setence

'I really love that teacher, they are so great!'

Your brain is going to imedeatly pick up on the use of more then one positive discriptor that is not lumped together

'love' and 'great'

Also use of '!'

These are things that hint at irony, but still can be interpreted without irony.

I really love that teacher, they are so great! i00

Would be interpreted as what is litterally said.

I really love that teacher, they are so great! i10

would be interpreted as sarcasm. It's meaning would be that you really dislike this teacher, they are awful!

I really love that teacher, they are so great! i01

Means to reference something without being ironic...

Say this teacher helped out a ton of students in the past, which is not well known by everyone, so you refernce it.

but for example:
I really love that teacher, they are so great! i11

is a refernence to an injoke that would make that sentence sarcastic.

[ionic kindle]

ah alright

[fair lynx]

forexample that teacher actually treats their students like crap so is not good.

Scaling this higher can mean a couple things

[ionic kindle]

and then also wth is eepiness

the E in ICE

[fair lynx]

I really love that teacher, they are so great! i21

can mean that this teacher is actually good, but in a sarcastic way, it's another way of saying.

This teacher is the worst! i11

not the refernece is not 0 so therefore, this has a pointer to some reference.

now scaling references is a little harder but here is the jist:

I really love that teacher, they are so great! i02

You are making refeernce to a reference.

For example there could be an injoke that this teacher is the best. and that in joke referneces things this teacher has done.

there fore, that would be a refernce to a refernce

[ionic kindle]

kk

[fair lynx]

in order to achieve the entire context of the message, you must go back two references.

[ionic kindle]

there are 2 layers to unravel

makes sense

[fair lynx]

Yeah !

So if you have any other questions, do let me know ! i00

[ionic kindle]

eepiness?!?! i00

what is that

the optional 3d value

the E in ICE

[fair lynx]

Ah eepiness...

it's just a scale of how tired you are.

[ionic kindle]

oh okay yeah i need that sometimes

[fair lynx]

it's an optional interpretation step

where you can account for how delulu someone might be based on how awake they are.

[ionic kindle]

yeah

[fair lynx]

I personally don't use it (yet)

[ionic kindle]

it takes coherence into the system

makes sense

[fair lynx]

yeah.

[ionic kindle]

i often say very incoherent things when im tired

[fair lynx]

Same here !

It uses a 1 - 9 scale

though that scale is subjective, it should at least help.

[ionic kindle]

and also wait so the 1st value is irony and the 2nd value is context?

[fair lynx]

Yeah

[ionic kindle]

makes sense i00 (it does actually make sense)

[fair lynx]

so it would be: i[irony][conext][eepy]
i000

[ionic kindle]

makes sense i10 (it doesn't make sense)

makes sense i01 (makes sense, but is a reference to something)

makes sense i11 (doesn't make sense, is also a reference to something)

and then layers can be added on

and also makes sense i009 (does make sense, but im exhausted and nothing im saying is coherent)

[fair lynx]

Yeah exactly !

it's a pretty powerful model for such a short add in.

[ionic kindle]

yeahh

[fair lynx]

Hope that helps !

[ionic kindle]

i love this model i00

actually no, i hate it i10

wow

[fair lynx]

Exactly !

it's irony right at your finger tips in a neumerical scale.

I am personally loving it

[ionic kindle]

do you like animals? i01

dang

[fair lynx]

unfamiliar reference.

[ionic kindle]

yeah, only my close friends would get that

[fair lynx]

Gotcha ! i00

[burnt sequoia]

replying to this to keep it easly accessable

would it be rude to ping a mod and ask for it to be pinned? i002

[ionic kindle]

i dont think so i01

[fair lynx]

I don't think so i01

[ionic kindle]

wait why is there a 1 there

is it because youre referencing that message?

or something you know about a mod?

[fair lynx]

in reply to something... references the message it is replying to i01

[ionic kindle]

yeah alright

that message wouldnt make sense without the original you are replying to

[fair lynx]

This is actually really valid... i01

We are given access to the fact that a reference is present, but nothing to know what it's about or if you should know it or not... i00

[burnt sequoia]

i would argue that because you replyied, my message becomes part of the immediate context, i012 aghhhh we need a better standard for the context scale i01

[fair lynx]

NO ASSUMING ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING /lh i01

[burnt sequoia]

yes mamm o7 i21

[fair lynx]

pfft i02

you don't get to 'mamm' me i12
hhaha

[burnt sequoia]

if this is going to spread elswhere, we need a way to centralize the standards documentation i01

i was thinking about trying to design a longhand notation to provide extra context when needed i024

[ionic kindle]

i was thinking the same thing i00

[burnt sequoia]

:p i21

[ionic kindle]

IMO if we could make it a single page website with a simple domain that would be the easiest way to share it i01

[fair lynx]

github.. we need a github i01

[ionic kindle]

the same way people just link don't ask to ask when they need to show it i01

[burnt sequoia]

github isnt enterprise standards enough, we need bikeshed and cvs i342

marcie, do you want to make the gh repo or should i, its your idea i00

[ionic kindle]

should be @fair lynx i think i00

[fair lynx]

I shall make it later i01

[fair lynx]

I am currently quite busy with a few things i01 as I will this evening i02.

[ionic kindle]

kk

[olive summit]

i am very busy /i2e3

am slightly eepy

i think i've never been not eepy in fact

as in e0 not eepy

[ionic kindle]

that is impressive and slightly concerning i01

used in another place.,

[olive summit]

lmao

smh he doesnt understand the ICED standard /i8

that was invented 5 seconds ago

i prefer s over i

[burnt sequoia]

unsuccessful first test outside :( i01

how did you explain it, that must have been a panfull experience lol i01

[quick willow]

I mean, ye, you are introducing something completely new out of the blue

[olive summit]

sooo do we have a standard yet? e7

im getting eepy

[thick otter]

This sounds incredible but I not buying the context scale i00

[quick willow]

Revision 2 in fact

...though you probably already saw it

...definitely

[burnt sequoia]

we are open to improvment suggestions! i01

[fair lynx]

Alright I am finally ready to make that github ! i02

What are we using? md .. plain text .. something else? i01

[rare harbor]

md is best

[burnt sequoia]

agree, md is best i01

[ionic kindle]

md i01

no we should use wordpress i12

[burnt sequoia]

maybe a google doc? i12

[daring turtle]

xml + css (which is in fact a thing you can do) obviously i12

[fair lynx]

Sorry I just got super distracted

now starting

What are we calling this entire system i008?

[burnt sequoia]

uuuhhh, irony indicators works for now ig i014

but it dosnt really fit

[daring turtle]

can the first version on the github be called 0.1 to indicate that it is a wip?

[burnt sequoia]

retroactive renaming allways sucks i01

but sure

if marcie agrees

[daring turtle]

what was it called before?

[burnt sequoia]

1.5 WIP i01

[fair lynx]

I just called it Irony-Tagging i028

[burnt sequoia]

aww no more alliteration i212

[daring turtle]

why 1.5?

[burnt sequoia]

because there was a v0.1 and a v1 before it

[daring turtle]

why did we go to version 1.0 before the spec was actually stable :(

cursed

[burnt sequoia]

because we were stupid i212

[daring turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/noelle-sad-spongebob-sad-spongebob-crying-noelle-crying-gif-23355068

[burnt sequoia]

damn you made a whole gh org for this :O

propper proffessional like i12

[daring turtle]

where link

[burnt sequoia]

https://github.com/Irony-Tagging/Irony-Tagging-Text

[fair lynx]

How the actual fuck- i039

[safe rain]

What are you fucking about?

[burnt sequoia]

just searched irony tagging on gh i012

[safe rain]

Ah lol

[safe rain]

Also a creative commons license might be a better idea gen MIT i010

[burnt sequoia]

agree, CC BY SA maybe? i010

[daring turtle]

why would cc be better?

[fair lynx]

This is on github so anyone can make pull requests ! i029

I don't know anything about Licensing i009

so if y'all wanna change something, do it ! i019

[burnt sequoia]

the MIT allows for the document to be taken proprietary, ie: someone else can change it and claim it as their own work, also mostly untested in a court i024

[clear geyser]

I used an outdated CPU architecture i386 /j

[burnt sequoia]

i doubt it matters for this, but CC licences are just what i lean towards nowadays, they are more legally recognized and also more flexible i022

[safe rain]

I was thinking more of an CC0 ngl i020

[burnt sequoia]

perfext example of said licence flexibility lol i222

[ionic kindle]

ICE

[fair lynx]

Documentation is going to be a while folks... there is a lot that I have to think about in terms of examples and things. i039

I have pushed whatever I have done for right now.. i039

I am off to bed 👋 i009

Love ya all !!

[burnt sequoia]

goonai o/

writing docs at a e9, thats brave i233

[ionic kindle]

gnight

[ionic kindle]

you should definitely consider the possibility of unambiguous (someone probably already said this at one point), for example i0c2 or i1c0e5 as an optional thing to make it a bit easier for people to remember which is which or to help them understand i02

or just teach them the ICE 🧊 acronym i01

[ionic kindle]

if you need our help im sure lots of people here would be willing to write stuff i01

[fair lynx]

https://github.com/Irony-Tagging/Irony-Tagging-Text/blob/main/v1.5/syntax.md

bap

Please do give feedback in the form of github issues

and if you wanna change things, create a pull request

[olive summit]

ok but like

instead of that

wat about

the scale

tone indicators

like /s4

and /s would be /s1

[fair lynx]

Are you talking about a general scaling method?

But numerically each dit is differently interpreted from each other dit..

which makes a general scaling vector (at least from the three things we have already scaled) highly unlikely?

Maybe this should be our V2

If you want you can start working on a general scaling system

[burnt sequoia]

that was mostly what i ment the eepy sore to be

it should be renamed imo, something like confidence in coherency i022

[fair lynx]

But that is an emotion.. an expirence. something that scales really well numerically... i013

[fair lynx]

ohh wait sorry that was in reference to something else... i023

[fair lynx]

I think that it is a ton of processing power to be done on the fly like that... i032

I am unsure about you, but for me, when I want to check how choerent I am personally it takes seconds to produce some answer, and that answer is often not even numeric. In order to make it numeric I have to pull tons of information about how tired I have been and then scaled it based on those. i013

For that to be proccessed on a per message bases is really taxing i023

That is the reason I haven't really used it until starting documentation i033

[burnt sequoia]

yea, ive been thinking about that issue too

the last too factors dont really fit on a numerical scale i022

i think the people designing tone tags had the right idea with using preset abbreviations as shorthand i025

[fair lynx]

The issue is that Irony and Sarcasm are so deeply interlinked that we can't really support a system where only one is used... We need both. and as for eepiness, that is a metric that is really useful but very hard to use... i33

What I instead suggest is that instead of peering internally for understanding how you personally are feeling... instead have a tag based on the level of proccessing done to interpret a response... i13

Like when you are referencing something, how deeply proccessed is that. More proccessing would assime that you are filling in more details and therefore there is a higher chance you can get it wrong. i003

nono i think that my idea is slightly too abstract.. i013

Lets do this instead i014

We need a measurement for the amount of unsureness in a message. i004

So that can be scaled really well, so instead of using eepiness, we use unsureness. i014

[burnt sequoia]

agreed i022

can we keep it aka: eepeyness for historical reasons i224

[fair lynx]

I would say that for now.. we keep it to eepiness it has it's flaws but that is the point of versions. i045

[burnt sequoia]

honestly, i started this as just a thought experement on classifiying figures of speach and sarcasm but its actually usefull having your messages marked i042

[fair lynx]

In the next version or an update to this version we can use the new unsureness system i056

[fair lynx]

Right? i046

[rare harbor]

oh god

the eepy number is going up

[fair lynx]

hehehhe i016

[ionic kindle]

goddamit

i had an idea i01

but i forgot to send it i01

[fair lynx]

Oh no i019

[ionic kindle]

go to sleep i01

[fair lynx]

I actually just woke up i019

I am more hungry then physically sleepy i029

[olive summit]

i am at minimal eepy

(e2)

[hollow cipher]

Wait what do the ixxx mean?

/home/marcie (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1231628631466446961 message) I am more hungry then physically sleepy i029

[olive summit]

idk

find

the first post

[fair lynx]

https://github.com/Irony-Tagging/Irony-Tagging-Text (WIP)

[olive summit]

pin it

[fair lynx]

I don't have mod powers.

[olive summit]

sad

[daring turtle]

put it in the little thread description post at the top

[burnt sequoia]

also this, its slightly shorter ^

[fair lynx]

I don't think the first message should be used like this

it's getting worse and worse to scroll all the way back up there

[hollow cipher]

Maybe ping a mod so they can pin it?

/home/marcie (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1231628631466446961 message) I don't have mod powers.

[fair lynx]

Sure!

[olive summit]

@moderаtors

[fair lynx]

@timid hound

Sorry for the ping, we just wanted to know if we could get a pinned message for this channel? We just need a message that we can quickly refer someone too.
Preferably the first message in the thread would be the best.

thanksss

:3

[olive summit]

spey momen

a moderator is amongus

amogus

[daring turtle]

a moo goose

[timid hound]

You're welcome :v

[burnt sequoia]

thank you!

[olive summit]

:3

[fair lynx]

Life saver, tysm !!!

[olive summit]

backwards complatible uhiuehtir when

i am way too eepy for this

y u delet msg

[daring turtle]

where message go

[young mauve]

probably in one big message to pin it

[olive summit]

is typing

[fair lynx]

(i am making one big message give me a scond)

[daring turtle]

idea: nesting structure where you explicitly specify a tone tag for each layer of the statement
/s>j>s for example

[olive summit]

huh?

[daring turtle]

and then also have a way to escape it for whne talking about the tag

[olive summit]

tone indiccator but its a conlang

[rare harbor]

I don’t think anyone even talks in a way that would be conducive to this

[fair lynx]

In light of the feedback from Laund and some others, we should suspend use of ICE outside of this thread.
As it is, this is not wide spread enough, nor accessible enough for everyone to get right of the bat.
Within this thread it should be fine to use in my opinion.

I will be talking to some of the people that where giving the feedback to ask about a couple things we might be able to do to allow us to use it outside of this thread but no promises as alot of this is hard to understand in it's current state.

The docs are in the oven but are a long way away from fully accessible. Not to mention how often this standard changes.

We should wait for a while, and make sure this is very understandable and explainable to anyone new.

For those still confused about the why...

having a system that only a spesific group of small people are aware off that a new person must learn in order to interact well with that group is not good for several reasons. It creates a barrier to entry for anyone new. That is not something I stand by at all.

To be clear, we are not gatekeeping this, we are attempting to have everyone understand, but I think we need a complete system before we do that. And even if we are helping people understand it is an uphill interaction to anyone new, and that in and off itself is gate keeping.

If you have concerns about this, reply to it and I can address it, otherwise, please don't use this outside of the thread.
thanks - marcie.

[daring turtle]

/s>s, sarcastic sarcasm. aka post irony

[rare harbor]

does it matter though

[olive summit]

i have nothing else to do

guys

we should have

/hs

half-sarcasm

kinda sarcastic

[rare harbor]

that’s worse than hj

much much worse

[olive summit]

why is it even caclled ice when you onyl use the i

[fair lynx]

There is a pretty good example on the docs.

[rare harbor]

says 1 to 9 but then uses three 0s

[fair lynx]

(i'll add a dictionary entry for this)

[rare harbor]

nice

[fair lynx]

Good call out

[timid hound]

I didn't think much about this thread when pinning a message earlier, but since it has come to this, might as well give my feedback.

As it stands, I fully agree with laund: the way it is now is just confusing for anyone and you might as well be including a second sentence in parentheses. But I also think that as it stands, noone will want to use that system because of how archaic and coded it looks. It's closer to some kind of morse code or binary encoding than to any sort of helpful communication tool.

Ideally, you'd just make it normal letters like what tone tags are now, or a series of short words that are easy to understand and could be somewhat read in plain English.

Other thing: why does the eepy scale exist at all? If it's about confidence I'd just write (confidence 40%) or something.

[daring turtle]

GUUYYSS FUCK

I THINK I JUST DID THE THING THAT BREAKS YOUR THUMB ON ACCEIDENT

MY THUMB HURTS

EMERGECNY

[olive summit]

beep bop bop bopop

i said bepep

lmao

i am not

[daring turtle]

WHAT DO I DO

[olive summit]

in

my right mind

[daring turtle]

THIS IS SERIOUS

[olive summit]

what

[daring turtle]

(I WAS AFK THATS WHY I WASNT RESPONDING)

[olive summit]

kids in africa cant even eat lunch /j

[rare harbor]

probably don’t type with it for a start

[young mauve]

uhh what thing? also, use speech recognition ideally or type with other hand

[fair lynx]

Thanks for the feedback. we are addressing all of these things in future versions. Right now we have this pretty unusable version as a test in theory.

We are actually just going to phase out the 'eepiness' scale in light of something that makes a little more sense.

So yeah things are not in the most usable state and it was a mistake to use ICE outside of the thread.

[young mauve]

dont move the thumb, dont apply any sort of pressure or force

[daring turtle]

this. idk it's feeling better now so idk what happened

[olive summit]

i have no idea what that is

[daring turtle]

don't do it

it will hurt you

i'm serious

don't

[young mauve]

what was the pain like?

[daring turtle]

it was like ow

[quick willow]

...I think just /s is enough for all practical cases

[olive summit]

what if i want to indicate

irony

which is totally different

/s

[fair lynx]

It applies stress to a nerve near the muscle that deals with the rotation of your wrist on the same axis as your arm.

[young mauve]

lets talk in #off-topic

[daring turtle]

i often say something in a way that is making fun of myself but also saying something literal and serious

but idk maybe /silly would suffice

[quick willow]

I don't see why that should be covered under sarcasm marker tbh

Tone tag system is good because it's simple

[daring turtle]

are you not familiar with sarcastic sarcasm? like when you say something in a sarcastic way but you are actually serious and the fact that you sound sarcastic but are actually serious is the actual joke?

[quick willow]

If I'll be honest, that's just overcomplication

[daring turtle]

but comedy

[quick willow]

Then /s works just fine?

[daring turtle]

idk whatever

[burnt sequoia]

I started the numerical system mostly to try and see if it was possible, i never ment for it to be used outside of people who knew it
I was actually thinking about proposing named or lettered labels like you said

the eepy scale was named that way because of a joke sabrina made, and as marcie said, we were planning on changing its name later
(not trying to blame sabrina, just explain, if its anyones fault its mine)

[daring turtle]

i actually think the eepy scale is the most useful part

[quick willow]

Actually, that'd just be a serious statement, wouldn't it?

[fair lynx]

(i'll be around ping me when/if you have a question)

[burnt sequoia]

are you talking about the whole sarcasm sarcasm thing?

[daring turtle]

i woiuld like to be able to genuinely use the eepy scale

[rare harbor]

hi

[daring turtle]

i think it is helpful to be able to indicate how zonked you are

[rare harbor]

the eepy scale was never meant to be a serious part of it, but intent and impact are different so I do personally take responsibility for any confusion it has shown

[quick willow]

Smh this thing on itself is complicated

[rare harbor]

that said, I believe it’s canonically optional

[olive summit]

i am very zonked

[burnt sequoia]

honestly thats the whole reason i even tried this in the first place

[olive summit]

we love complexity

[burnt sequoia]

ive heared it explaind as you want to say a true thing, but you hide it under more than one layer of sarcasm

[olive summit]

O(n!) my beloved

[daring turtle]

maybe just make it a rule in this thread that you're not supposed to use this outside the thread, since nobody knows what it means

[rare harbor]

we did

[quick willow]

To me it's either it's near impossible to actually understand, or I just strip the complexity entirely

[daring turtle]

oh. shooot then why were people using it

[rare harbor]

it’s a funny experiment

should not be gatekept

or treated like such

[olive summit]

i am very iced right now

[daring turtle]

ok here’s a new suggestion:

[quick willow]

Holy shit lmao marker...

[daring turtle]

/joking-unless-its-funny-enough-to-start-doing-post-ironically

[quick willow]

Isn't that just /j but more words?

[daring turtle]

um idk i felt /j implies that i think it’s completely terrible to actually use deltarune queen as a tone indicator when in reality i honestly kinda want to because it’s funny

[quick willow]

/j just means the statement is not serious

That's the entire definition

[olive summit]

:sip: emoji when

[daring turtle]

my point is whether it’s serious is based on others’ reaction to it (this is also joking-unless-its-f—whatever)

[burnt sequoia]

that just sounds like your not joking but dont want the consequenses if people dont like what you say

have your cake and eat it too

[quick willow]

The /hj problem, let's go

[daring turtle]

yeah basically (im evil)

ok i will “reset” now. no more irony this is getting out of hand

[olive summit]

i feel like /hj means

its a joke

but you actually mean it

[quick willow]

/hj is meaningless

That's the issue with it

[burnt sequoia]

that is an entierly useless definition

[quick willow]

It renders the entire statement obscure

[daring turtle]

that is why i have begun to prefer “/silly” for when it’s joke but i mean it

[quick willow]

Isn't that just reinvention of /hj with the same issues as it had?

[daring turtle]

what is wrong with saying something in a silly way?

[olive summit]

sillyly

[daring turtle]

sil-ly

[burnt sequoia]

theres nothing inherently wrong with it, its just that it makes it hard to understand what you actually mean

[olive summit]

its like "having adhd sucks" /hj

[quick willow]

It's more of a "joke but serious" that is the problem

[olive summit]

like

you say it jokingly

but you atcually mean it

[burnt sequoia]

the tone indicator genuently makes the sentance harder to understand

[olive summit]

yk

[burnt sequoia]

no we dont know

thats the problem

[olive summit]

ic

[burnt sequoia]

that was the entire point of this thread, to try and understand what the fuck you mean when you say stuff like that

[quick willow]

If you mean it you mean it. If you don't, then you don't. /hj is implying both

Which part is which? Eh, guess yourself ig

[daring turtle]

when i used to use /hj, i would use it for when i say a sentence that is serious in a way that also makes fun of the reality of that sentence.

the fact that i was doing that specifically wasn’t clear which is why i think /silly is better

(the difference from sarcasm is that the statement is literal)

[quick willow]

Wouldn't that just be /srs as in statement is meant to be interpreted as-is? Is there a difference?

[daring turtle]

whatever im just gonna stop talking forever

/not-even-sure-but-am-considering-not-talking-ever-again

[quick willow]

Should we drop this discussion?

[daring turtle]

}

[quick willow]

👌

[daring turtle]

// i think it’s fun how you knew what that means

[quick willow]

Imo context distance is the best feature of this

Maybe needs more direct examples

[daring turtle]

i also like the eepy scale

[quick willow]

Oh, eepy scale is amazing

[safe rain]

I think just a quick addition to the syntax with a x to distinguish a "not filled in" is a good idea

[quick willow]

Ye

Sometimes brain just don't wanna work

[burnt sequoia]

the most usefull part of it for me was just as a quick test to see if it would be worth trying to interperet further

[quick willow]

Like, more insights into the meaning?

[burnt sequoia]

like if the i0xx was too high, just give up and pick the closest interpretation that matches the i marker

yes

like, to use the example from the doccumentation

i like oranges i02x, they like oranges,

i like oranges i08x, theres something more there but dont bother trying to read into it

[quick willow]

ixxx :trollface:

[burnt sequoia]

it dosnt work for that example sentance in particular, but i hope you can see the point

[safe rain]

Also just to state it out I ain't following that ruling because I think it was made for bs reasons, I will use them if I want to or not but for the sake of others I'll just ix it and use tone tags

[quick willow]

My implementation of the first dig is literally x % 2

[daring turtle]

for me i dont think i’d ever go for an intent rating other than 0, 1, or 3

[burnt sequoia]

that sounds like a dumb idea i0xx

[quick willow]

Though it's probably incorrect

[quick willow]

Imagine i9

[burnt sequoia]

nope, thats intended, usually i markers higher then 0 or 1 are to differentiate the ways a sentance could be interpreted, but the parity marks whatever the minimum viable interpretation would be

[quick willow]

So basically the x % 2 is a perfectly compliant implementation?

[burnt sequoia]

so like, 3 would be i am saying this to riducule someone, but you could also just take it to mean dissagreement

[daring turtle]

i cant i have no idea how you’d ever get to an i9 though might be theoretically possible

[daring turtle]

thank you

i think the docs need better examples and explanations

[rapid flare]

Are you aware of the sarcmark?

[burnt sequoia]

?

[rapid flare]

https://sarcmark.com/

Somebody tried to deploy a standardised sarcasm punctuation mark as a copyrighted licensed product

[burnt sequoia]

ew

[quick willow]

duh

[rapid flare]

It's patented https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/60/d0/5c/1653bf074e8461/USD608820.pdf

[timid hound]

Biggest capitalism moment ever

imagine patenting punctuation

[timid hound]

imma start using ඞ for punctuating sus sentences ඞ

[rapid flare]

Read this as "After over 15 years not a single person has tried to license the sarcmark, please use the sarcmark"

[burnt sequoia]

new rule everyone, you have to pay us a 5cent fee every time you mark a sentance using the ixx system i322

wait, just to be sure, the ruling about "all marked sentances being interpreted litterally" dosnt count when here right?

[quick willow]

wat

[rapid flare]

I would like to propose an alternate standard.

In as much as a standard is only as useful as it's level of implementation in standard industry/consumer use.

What do zoomers love?

• Weird Shit
• Emojis

So if we agree on this we need to locate and acknowledge a union type of currently underutilized emoji in the typeset and emoji that can be interpreted as part of a set that scale in some form based on current sociolingual trends

[burnt sequoia]

to be clear, is that a joke?

[rapid flare]

I... I don't know

Just remembering the sarcmark got me to thinking about applying a standard from a product accessibility standpoint as opposed to a technical standpoint.

[daring turtle]

• create standard
• patent it
• mfw

btw im not gonna be active in this thread for a whie

[rapid flare]

Scrolling through this thread I can't tell if this is an interesting thought experiment or if this is a totally straightfaced project and I've just insulted everybody.

[old swift]

It is /hj

[safe rain]

I'm confused on how those are mutually exclusive

it's def the first

[burnt sequoia]

its an interesting thought experement, but also intended to solve a real problem in that i dont understand irony as most people would mark it

im not insulted if thats what you were worried about i0xx

[rapid flare]

I still maintain then that an emoji centric framework would see greater uptake over longterm deployment as it relies on an international language character set based on established visual semantics and implied scale.

[burnt sequoia]

a few problems if you are proposing this seriously

1. emojis are harder to reach on a standard keyboard
2. they are an allready existing thing, leading to being unsure when somone is using it as part of this or not
3. visual intuition is just annother form of intuition, exactly what we were trying to avoid

[rapid flare]

But from an i18n standpoint the currently promoted standard assumes LtR reading using a romano-arabic character set.

[burnt sequoia]

this isnt intended to be a global standard for everyone, hell i didnt even think it would leave this thread i022

[rapid flare]

Dream big.

[old swift]

Alright and now I do this
#1232331032649404487 message

[quick willow]

Issue: doesn't work over IRC

[old swift]

For those who missed it [ecg]

[quick willow]

(Politics)

[rapid flare]

My initial response would be to denote with colour shades but that doesn't cover people with visual limitations.

[safe rain]

What I like this system is the granularity and additional information it provides over tone tags

tone tags can already do most binary things

a addon to tone tags for numeric ratings to intensity of the tone tag would be interesting

though I probably wouldn't use that over this system due to it already being spread a lil and also me just liking this one further, for some reason

I don't like the fact this system has irony

mostly because it overlaps with tone tags

and also irony is so significantly important that it needs to be more clearly communicated

but the nice thing is that you can just not use it

[safe rain]

I don't think it's dumb i021

[burnt sequoia]

explicitly going against what the mods said is usually a bad idea imo i022

[safe rain]

it was reactionary and done specifically due to irony

[fair lynx]

Hey some stuff got pushed to the github

Some feedback would be awesome

[old swift]

and i need you to give feedback on my system

[fair lynx]

Do share :3

[old swift]

https://discord.com/channels/976120247427948564/1232331032649404487

[burnt sequoia]

i had a few proposed changes that i was sitting on, but i wanna wait and see what happens with alices thread for a bit

ill work on documentation and examples on the gh though

[hollow cipher]

Do we have a documentation for this system?

I want to borrow it for one of the conlangs in my story

[old swift]

Didn't someone say there was a GitHub or did I imagine that? [eug]

[thick otter]

This one, mayhaps

[quick willow]

Yet another proposal cuz y not https://discord.com/channels/976120247427948564/1232942585350197299

[quick willow]

Wake up yall, a brand new proposal just dropped https://discord.com/channels/976120247427948564/1233263511745073233

[quick willow]

The universal proposal to unite them all https://discord.com/channels/976120247427948564/1233305680530636800

[olive summit]

nah

we gotta wait for 9 more

[daring turtle]

just kidding i will continue running this joke into the ground. new intent indicator system!

[young mauve]

please remember to include context in your forum threads, and also consider if they need to be new threads at all.

at this point theres like 3 people who understand whats going on and spamming the forum with a in-joke that limited is just rude to everyone else

[daring turtle]

true. i should probably stop doing this.
could these be unified into one forum thread?

[young mauve]

no way to do that in discord

[daring turtle]

but copy and paste though

[young mauve]

the author and mods can delete threads, but i'm not gonna spend hours copying hundreds of messages

[daring turtle]

oh i wasn't suggesting that the mods would do it or anything, just the people who actually wrote the posts

[young mauve]

do what you wish, but keep in mind the CoC includes "helping others understand you" as a Thing You Should Do which this joke is quickly loosing all semblance of

[daring turtle]

@fair lynx @old swift @quick willow @hollow rune
what if we unified the intent tag standards into one thread to eliminate the clutter they have caused?

[hollow rune]

a unified system to confuse everyone

[daring turtle]

I just mean put all of these different systems and any future ones into the same form thread

[hollow rune]

ah, that also works

sure

[daring turtle]

mkay. should it be a new one and then we just close the previous ones?

[hollow rune]

ye

[daring turtle]

@fair lynx @old swift @quick willow @hollow rune
please move the intent marker meme to the thread linked below to reduce clutter
https://discord.com/channels/976120247427948564/1233936149916160111

[olive summit]

i feel like tis is the only serious one

[daring turtle]

i think the three binaries one was somewhat serious

[hollow rune]

2T&B is one I'd genuinely use

especially if I can use "zonked" in my tone tags

[daring turtle]

you can just write \zonked already to the extent that you can assume anyone knows what it means

[hollow rune]

yuh!

[daring turtle]

even better, \zzz, because it means ur eepy

[hollow rune]

I'm gonna use it all the time and at my friends /zzzonked

[fair lynx]

But this ain't a meme

[daring turtle]

A meme ( / miːm /; MEEM) [1] [2] [3] is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. [4] A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transm…

[olive summit]

lmao

may is a profesional memetic

[fair lynx]

Huh-

Well i'll be damned, I have been out nerded...

Wait..

[daring turtle]

i copoed and pasted that from wickerpeedier lol

[fair lynx]

this is a social phenomenon, which all memes are social phenomenons, but not all social phenomenons are memes.

[daring turtle]

what makes it not a meme

[fair lynx]

{ All Social phenomenon {memes} }

[fair lynx]

meme's usally communicate some sort of information for humors purpose.

They have an intent to be funny.

At least within their group

[daring turtle]

(my parents are arguing)

(very bad)

[fair lynx]

(I'm sorry)

[daring turtle]

aaanyway

[olive summit]

what social phenomena arent memes

[daring turtle]

while meme is often used as a term to refer to funny internet pictures, the memetics definition of meme doesnt imply humor

[olive summit]

food, music, religion, ...

[fair lynx]

that and more

[fair lynx]

Really?

[daring turtle]

the point is that all these tone tag standards are causing clutter and i thought it might be good to put them into one thread

[fair lynx]

So humor is a side effect of the method of spreading?

[fair lynx]

Alrighttttt

[olive summit]

no

[daring turtle]

i can change the title if you really want

[fair lynx]

Very well

[olive summit]

spreading is a side effect of the humor

the definition of a meme isnt the humor

its the spreading

[daring turtle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

oh no

what is even happening

i think my parents secretly hate each other

[olive summit]

what

[daring turtle]

i should try to move out as soon as possible so my parents don’t feel like they have to stay together for me because clearly they secretly hate each other

do all parents do this?

i am a burden haha

@fair lynx remember to close this thread

[fair lynx]

I don't have the power to delete this thread

We will need a mod or something

[daring turtle]

you can right click -> close thread

i think this delists it from the forum