#libs.rs editing crates to add spurious deprecation/unmaintained tags

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devout cave
vapid geyser
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ewww

peak crane
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sigh

devout cave
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For more context, this is specifically for crates that are related to cryptocurrency.

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https://gitlab.com/crates.rs/crates.rs/-/issues/81#note_596916784
Someone linked this in the reddit thread and I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'm even willing to say that the title change is not as childish as I initially stated given that this opinion has been there explicitly for a long time and for a very good reason.
Heck, for me, I'll go as far as to say that people working with cryptocurrencies feeling discriminated against gives the same vibe as people who think "cis" is a slur.

GitLab
Cryptocurrency projects and thus the developers working in that fie...

The wording in this category I beleve breaches the CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md. Cryptocurrency projects and thus the developers working in that field are treated with contempt in this wording:

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However, blatantly lying about the state of crates is just that, blatantly lying

hushed sequoia
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Like I can 100% understand if people dislike cryptocurrency (often for good reasons), but fighting bad with bad is not the way
Rewording ending as eepy writing wasn't the best

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Obviously there are tons of shitty and scammy crypto crates/projects, and those should be taken down

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also this

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devout cave
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bruh...

dark tiger
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i do think that the text segments discussed in the gitlab issue are a bit over-inflammatory

vapid geyser
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even that... is way too much for a website for developers

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it's not like the library is going to scam you

hushed sequoia
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Their scoring engine is their own, same way I don't care about how Twitter scores tweets

dark tiger
# vapid geyser it's not like the library is going to scam you

no but there is legitimate danger, of the long term variety, to engaging in that kind of area. all the while its hyped up and a lot of money is being put into it. i can well imagine someone not realising what they're contributing (not just literaly commits) to.

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issue is, its a large scale long term danger, which humans suck at actually caring about

vapid geyser
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I don't think the potential danger to a developer compared to something like a stock exchange crate is so incredibly significant where there should be warning for it

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unless you put warnings on anything that is speculative money spending, which I'm fine with tbh

dark tiger
dark tiger
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gambling, stock trades, etc.

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might make sense to have a general environmental score which cares about this sort of thing.

vapid geyser
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I'd love for everything to be anti capitalist in that sort of way but like, the services are just going to get shut down if it's not done in a organized way

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shut down as in like used less or shamed out

dark tiger
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idk, probably loads better ways to do it, but ultimately i dont disagree with the devs decision to do something

vapid geyser
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yeah

devout cave
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Yeah

vapid geyser
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it's just

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when it's only crypto

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it makes it political in a bad way

dark tiger
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does it?

vapid geyser
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it avoids talking about the real issue of crypto

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and other things like it

dark tiger
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the energy spending of a small country gone to waste, idk i think its okay to warn against that specifically

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just because the scale is actually ridiculous, or at least was at the height of the boom

vapid geyser
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we don't know the person's intentions though

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the way they made it sound didn't talk about that

dark tiger
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the way they made it sound talked more about the rampant scamming

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which to be fair, is also not a small issue. maybe not as isolated to crypto

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again, i dont think that what they've done is optimal in any way

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but its better than doing nothing imo

vapid geyser
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it feels to only antagonize

dark tiger
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maybe thats not so bad?

vapid geyser
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

dark tiger
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antagonizing people who like crypto is fine in my books, same as antagonizing raging capitalists is

vapid geyser
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but that's not the only people who could be

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antagonized

dark tiger
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(i dont blame people for having to work within the system, but i do blame those who seem to love it)

hushed sequoia
hushed sequoia
dark tiger
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i'd love to see any reputable statistics on whether ETH actually impacted it overall, or if its mostly balanced out by other things

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the energy spending i mean

vapid geyser
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those who work within the system are the ones most likely to get pulled towards the other side, and by antagonizing their coworkers over time they might just drift off

dark tiger
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not ETH specific, but distributed blockchains in general

hushed sequoia
dark tiger
vapid geyser
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those who work with other people who like crypto are at the most risk of supporting crypto

dark tiger
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i mean, yeah

hushed sequoia
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though BTC is incredibly inefficient and their excuse of "it is because it's the way the chain is secured" to me now feels more like incapability of change rather than "solid fundamentals"

vapid geyser
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antagonizing the people who like crypto might peer pressure those who work with them to say similar things

dark tiger
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wait are you saying its better to not antagonize?

vapid geyser
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I am saying why I think it's not a good idea

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so yeah

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though this is my rationalization of in general why I think it's a bad thing to do this sort of tribes thing

dark tiger
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yeah i dont think that ever works out the way you think, ultimately you have to antagonize or nothing ever changes. i'd rather not keep everything the same

vapid geyser
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but crypto is the new technology

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it is the change

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you just need to prevent the change from happening

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which is different

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like I think antagonizing for like lgbt issues is different

hushed sequoia
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@dark tiger btw here are the numbers, they are by Ethereum.org but I would imagine them to be pretty accurate

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dark tiger
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yeah nope, conflict of interest is way too large there

dark tiger
hushed sequoia
vapid geyser
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things that were conceptually unsound like NFTs were already bassically shamed off

hushed sequoia
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then again, idk if Cambridge has some deal with them or such Shruge

vapid geyser
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now to argue agaisnt crypto, you'd have to argue agaisnt bassically the whole financial system

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which is much less appealing to a wider audience

hushed sequoia
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at least with traditional scams there is a chance of getting your money back
with crypto it's often at the arms of the exploiter/hacker/scammer

dark tiger
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the financial system has grown over a vast amount of time into the beast that it is, making it a well known enemy

vapid geyser
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Well ideally you'd only argue the things that apply to crypto, like the no absolute guarantee of being unable to undo a transaction is a really good one

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but arguing against crypto scams themselves is only going to become more and more harder because those are a part of the current financial system even if regulation may exist

dark tiger
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i really dont understand why you think that crypto scams are tied to the financial system

vapid geyser
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there are plenty of scams in our current system

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people care about crypto scams in particular because they are novel

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they lose novelty, they lose attention

dark tiger
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the novelty is also what makes them so much worse,

vapid geyser
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maybe, but I don't think a unorganized movement will be able to get rid of crypto just using novelty

dark tiger
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what? no of course not. but its part of the reason why you can easily argue against crypto without obviously arguing against the financial system as well

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why i think theres no issue attaking crypto specifically, because there is enough novel about it most people wont immediately go "ah one of those anticapitalist idiots" or whatever

dark tiger
vapid geyser
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I think what I am trying to dig from my mind rn (I am very eepy) is that if you are discouraging the usage of crypto because you don't like capitalism using arguments that are not anti capitalist is only going to make people not like crypto and not actually lead to people taking a look at capitalism

dark tiger
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i dont have an issue with that

vapid geyser
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I mean neither do I it's just like a bummer

dark tiger
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i'm fine being just against crypto towards crypto people

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hell, if they assume i'm otherwise "reasonable" my arguments might have more weight

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reasonable here being "not wanting literally everything about the world to change"

vapid geyser
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I think I have some internal accelerationism I need to sort out lol

dark tiger
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fair enough, i wasnt aware of the term but it makes sense reading the definition

vapid geyser
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it causes a lot of conflict in me head for this topic specifically

hushed sequoia
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I just hope I won't get witch hunted because the way I pay for my uni and furry art is with crypto DeadGe

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I personally hold no love to it

dark tiger
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issue is, things people financially depend on are going to be seen less critically (part of the reason capitalism seems to bypass morals so often)

hushed sequoia
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I can always find another financial source, crypto was just the easiest when I was 17

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and I want to abandon it completely before or max after I finish Uni

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I'm building my own normal stuff in hopes I can transition

dark tiger
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damn looking at the accelerationalism wikipedia article is making shinigami eyes put in more work than it has had in the last month

vapid geyser
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oh it is quite nasty

dark tiger
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who would have thunk that far right people are also commonly transphobes

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surely, nobody could have predicted this \s

vapid geyser
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I just think of accelerationalism as "The quickest way to cause the collapse of the current system is by making it really crap"

dark tiger
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(random thought, how the heck do you tonetag post-irony? \gen?)

vapid geyser
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I mean why not just straight up say post irony

dark tiger
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i guess but \gen also fits well because it literally is \gen

vapid geyser
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wow, this really fucking sucks! \gen
yeah it works

dark tiger
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i should go to bed, have to be up at 7am tomorrow

vapid geyser
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we can both agree on that first statement

hushed sequoia
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Like \post or something haha

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also gn

quaint trellisBOT
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may not be a popular opinion here, i have not read everything, but i believe the "deprecated" label isnt as wrong as it may seem. cryptocurrencies are in fact technology that should be considered deprecated due to their shitty impacts and all that. it is either already deprecated and replaced with better concepts, or to be deprecated asap.

labeling all libraries to do with cryptocurrency as scams is a strong opinion, but i find it totally fine.

as for the editing of the description of the crypto category to say what boils down to "crypto is bad", that is 100% in line with my opinion.

i get that some ppl believe in crypto, but at this point i could not care less.

i am not willing to argue about this stance for the moment, but do tell me if and why you think my opinion is bad, and i may change it.

devout cave
quaint trellisBOT
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that makes sense

devout cave
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And whether it should also has nothing to do with whether it is

quaint trellisBOT
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the deprecated label is honestly the only thing i have a problem with here tho

devout cave
vapid geyser
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another thing is that this is sort of "slandering" the crate maintainers of the project by making it seem like they changed the description

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you can't see that this is from lib.rs

quaint trellisBOT
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re discrimination: that just feels extremely weird to read. i get what they're saying but this is the same kind of discrimination cishet white people in america feel when they see online communities that only allow LGBT+: it may feel bad, but its an inconvenience and not anything that could threaten your safety.

vapid geyser
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everyone can recognise how that is silly

quaint trellisBOT
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yeah id call that "i feel betrayed" or just "i feel annoyed", not discriminated against

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but in terms of deprecation, i do see how labeling crates as unmaintained is a stupid way to protest against them

hushed sequoia
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A way more effective and "fair" system would be something like the Twitter community context thingies

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Add a warning and context at the top as a banner

quaint trellisBOT
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id rather have a label like "supports use of harmful technologies" or whatever

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yeah

vapid geyser
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imagine manipulating a crate to make it seem like the maintainer is protesting when it's actually the frontend for displaying crate information

hushed sequoia
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It'd also make it more obvious, as people might miss the chance of description

quaint trellisBOT
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i will now back to being gay and sleeping polyphasically good night

hushed sequoia
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I still haven't setup my gay lights

quaint trellisBOT
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you need to do that asap

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good night now