rose spruce
Okay so we've discussed a little, we're interested in going ahead but we'd like some wider opinions. Does anyone have:
For some more context: #mental-health-discussion message
full lance
cc: @hidden halo
brittle pilot
I'm concerned that if Tupperbox is used, it might be misunderstood due to it being commonly used for roleplay
rose spruce
Ah interesting. Wonder what proportion of people would read something if we talk about it in #welcome and understand otherwise. I'm skewed because i've interacted with a fair few systems and basically never with the rp community, i'm most used to tupperbox for systems.
Conversely - do you think having pluralkit specifically could lead to people using it for rp? idk if we want to specifically /forbid/ that, just also not sure if it's a good or a bad thing.
not sure, i'm just trying to prompt questions to people smarter than me
full lance
i would argue against allowing roleplay using one of these bots, at least large parts of this server it wouldn't fit
brittle pilot
I'm not plural, and my experience boils down to being active in a server where Tupperbox is used for messing around, and lurking in one where PluralKit is used and using it for RP is banned
hidden halo
[pt] we haven't used tupperbox or seen it used so i don't really know what it's normally used for
(...this also means we would somewhat prefer pluralkit out of not having to reconfigure things but that's kind of not really anything)
tight kestrel
I've seen it used in both, and in the same servers too, where what makes the use clear is the channel: RP channels => Tupper is for RP, anywhere else => Tupper's for systems
rose spruce
(...this also means we would somewhat prefer pluralkit out of not having to reco...
ah, do pk's systems transfer over? i'd imagine that'd make the usage easier for new people, if that is indeed the predominant bot (again, i'm not particuarly a discord-er and i really have no idea, this is learning for me too 😄)
rose spruce
I've seen it used in both, and in the same servers too, where what makes the use...
mhmm... i can't see us adding a rp channel
I'm also going to CC in @crystal kindle given that threads are weird and he might not be able to see it
hidden halo
ah, do pk's systems transfer over? i'd imagine that'd make the usage easier for ...
yeah pk systems are attached to the account
rose spruce
sounds like that could ease the transition🙂
hidden halo
well it would for anyone who already uses pluralkit
idk how many systems there are here other than us
crystal kindle
I'm also going to CC in <@378921181786669056> given that threads are weird and h...
AHA
crystal kindle
idk how many systems there are here other than us
there's a few folks around afaik
crystal kindle
mhmm... i can't see us adding a rp channel
I agree, I don't think so either
red creek
Personally, I'm using PluralKit in some other servers so far, and it's pretty good!
whole hare
I'll add it here that pluralkit is also opensource while tupperbot isn't
tight kestrel
It's decided, Pluralkit it is
whole hare
but how strictly should "no rp" be handled?
red creek
I think we shouldn't actively encourage it with a RP channel, but we also shouldn't prohibit it. Tho the bot shouldn't be used for anything else than plurality, imo
whole hare
I've seen it like twice where a place added pluralkit/tupperbot and then removed it because people were abusing it too much (and it does cause increase moderation difficulty a bit)
hopefully it won't be as much of a issue here though
red creek
Make pluralbot abuse against the rules, should be simple
and pk supports viewing the original author of a proxied message
whole hare
true, and we are not expecting (multiple) people to be spamming it (which is when not being able to instantly ban someone is bad)
red creek
you'll still be able to mute people, so i dont think there's much of an issue
rose spruce
I've seen it like twice where a place added pluralkit/tupperbot and then removed...
we did discuss moderation, we decided that we're willing to do it for the benefit of the peoples
neat hornet
i remember a friend who used tupperbox and essentially immediately switched to pk when it began existing. pk is better, supports transferring of systems between servers and was generally made with plurals in mind as opposed to tupper
crystal kindle
i remember a friend who used tupperbox and essentially immediately switched to p...
that's good to know, thank you
pk sounds like the obvious choice, but the moderation question remains hazy in my mind
how do other servers moderate pk?
brittle pilot
https://pluralkit.me/staff/moderation there's this
I think people can by default be reasonably trusted to use it properly if informed, and those who just use it to screw around can have their access revoked
I can see how it would be uncomfortable to have to go through a process of "yes I'm actually plural" to gain access
crystal kindle
yeah, that would be bad gatekeeping
what I'm concerned about is not someone repeatedly misusing it to troll, but JUST ONCE impersonating me and ruining someone's day
brittle pilot
they can do that with a regular account as well
crystal kindle
huh I guess so
change avatar, change name
can't change avatar too often, but that's the same in my example
I hadn't thought of it that way
well super! that was my only reluctance, and now it's gone
brittle pilot
nice
red creek
do tell me when its added btw
full lance
that's up to @crystal kindle to do (does he know?)
rose spruce
(i think he asked you to do it hehe)
rose spruce
pretty much one of the first things he said on the matter in #moderation
(ooh scary secret channel)
crystal kindle
that's up to <@378921181786669056> to do (does he know?)
If you have time, yes please, install it
neat hornet
does he know?
red creek
does who know?
whole hare
does what know???
neat hornet
full lance
If you have time, yes please, install it
Done!
you can now invoke PluralKit with the commands listed at pk;help and its normal proxy usage
@red creek @hidden halo
i recommend keeping command usage limited to this thread to avoid spam in the others
crystal kindle
wonderful! Thank you @full lance ❤️
tight kestrel
i recommend keeping command usage limited to this thread to avoid spam in the ot...
Would a #bot-commands channel or thread would help that?
(This one could be renamed to "Plural-Commands" or such, maybe)
full lance
once we have another bot which might be used more, but for now i think this is fine since i dont expect more than a few people setting pk up once
red creek
pk;help
grim bloomBOT
red creek
pk;system
grim bloomBOT
red creek
perfect
stone cosmosBOT
test
whole hare
burrito
red creek
burrito indeed
stone cosmosBOT
noooooooo!
red creek
pk;system tag [TudbuT] (he/him)
grim bloomBOT
✅ System tag changed (using 17/79 characters). Member names will now end with [TudbuT] (he/him) when proxied.
tight kestrel
Obligatory
stone cosmosBOT
XD
full lance
pog
inner smelt