gpt 4 vision api issue

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@crisp hamlet

Hi,

the images are all product images with the barcode included, here is a sample:

i am using python, the script is as follows (cant paste code cause too many characters)

the script picks the first image from a folder, containing images of barcodes.

after that, the image is encoded in base64, sent to gpt vision via api for extraction. but it fails

whats supposed to happen is it should extract the barcode, then log it into a text file. but the extraction fails continously

i've made it succeed a few times, but its not consistent

for example i will get a response: here's the barcode: {barcode}

the next response will be:

Sorry i cant assist with that

Sorry i cant assist with that is more common than success, my success rate is probably 5%

i've spent $10 trying to refine the prompt, running. but continously failing

here's my prompt

prompt = "Analyze the attached image and provide the numerical sequence represented by the barcode, ensuring all digits, including any smaller leading or trailing numbers, are included in the sequence."

[floral dock]

@crisp hamlet

any ideas please

[minor pollen]

json mode is its complete separate thing

its responses wont include "heres the"

client = OpenAI()

response = client.chat.completions.create(
  model="gpt-3.5-turbo-0125",
  response_format={ "type": "json_object" },
  messages=[
    {"role": "system", "content": "You are a helpful assistant designed to output JSON."},
    {"role": "user", "content": "Who won the world series in 2020?"}
  ]
)
print(response.choices[0].message.content)```

heres the example their doc provided

response format to type json object

[floral dock]

@minor pollen i dont get it

you're saying

    headers = {"Content-Type": "application/json", "Authorization": f"Bearer {api_key}"}
    payload = {
        "model": "gpt-4-vision-preview",
        "messages": [{
            "role": "user",
            "content": [{"type": "text", "text": prompt}, {"type": "image_url", "image_url": {"url": f"data:image/jpeg;base64,{base64_image}"}}]
        }],
        "max_tokens": 300
    }
    
    response = requests.post("https://api.openai.com/v1/chat/completions", headers=headers, json=payload)
    if response.status_code == 200:
        result = response.json()
        full_response = result["choices"][0]["message"]["content"]
        print("API Response:", full_response)  # Debugging line to see API response
        return ''.join(re.findall(r'\d+', full_response))
    else:
        print("Failed API Call:", response.status_code, response.text)  # Shows error message
        return None

def evaluate_results(results):

    return Counter(results).most_common(1)[0][0] if results else None

def process_image(image_path):

    enhanced_image_path = enhance_image(image_path)  # Enhance the image
    base64_image = encode_image(enhanced_image_path)  # Encode the enhanced image
    
    prompt = "Analyze the attached image and provide the numerical sequence represented by the barcode, ensuring all digits, including any smaller leading or trailing numbers, are included in the sequence."```

@minor pollen this isnt valid?

[minor pollen]

the json thing on their doc is built in so you wont need to do if statements

[floral dock]

this doesn't really solve my problem though

[minor pollen]

also i think theres already existing barcode reading tools out there

this one i have on ios

[floral dock]

bro thats fine but my requirements are different

im trying to use the api to read multiple barcodes

[minor pollen]

3013603J21
55724
drinkarizona.com
For more info. about
AriZona call 1 800 832 3775
в
13008 71526
SHAKE WELL REFRIGERATE AFTER OPENING
V ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR

i used an ai text to image converter and got this above,

if i feed this to a json mode gpt 4 turbo and ask for a barcode, itll know which one is it, and if theres multiple in one image you can ask it to output a list

[floral dock]

but even this is wrong

[minor pollen]

o

[floral dock]

lol got muted somehow

but yeah even thats wrong, because its missing the 6

this is the correct barcode:

613008715267

notice how it misses out the leftmost and rightmost numbers

so my prompt accounts for it. then it works every time in chatgpt web llm

but the API refuses

[minor pollen]

@floral dock you can ask vision to instead convert the image into text

then use that text on a turbo json model to get the barcode

[floral dock]

so should my script utilize vision and turbo?

[minor pollen]

both ye

[floral dock]

ah, thats a good idea

[minor pollen]

i forgot vision dont have json mode

lol

[floral dock]

ohhh

my god 💀

[minor pollen]

we got somewhere tho at least xD

[floral dock]

i completely also forgot that models are different

i thought gpt4 vision inherits all the other functionality from gpt-4

or is that wrong

[minor pollen]

idk lol

[floral dock]

GPT-4 Turbo with vision is the same as the GPT-4 Turbo preview model and performs equally as well on text tasks but has vision capabilities added. Vision is just one of many capabilities the model has.

hmmm

does gpt-4 -vision point to turbo?

nevermind that doesn't solve anything

[minor pollen]

0clue, i did try askinng just a barcode and it didnt want to but yeah image is an input and jsons the output so its plausible

[floral dock]

it has the same functionality just with vision added

[floral dock]

which model is this?

[minor pollen]

vision

not turbo

[floral dock]

on the LLM it works why does the api do this mann 🤣

[minor pollen]

[floral dock]

gave up gg

[minor pollen]

whyy

it seems easy enough you alrdy got the text working lol

[floral dock]

so basically

i tried what you did

i said, convert entire image to text

[minor pollen]

is the image too large in resolution?

[floral dock]

but then the question is, how does it know what the barcode is. lengths of barcodes differ but they are strings of numbers

also my images contain other numbers, so even more difficult

so i took you suggestion and said prefix message with "barcode: "

[minor pollen]

it will know, barcodes have patterns on them

[floral dock]

but there's another problem

i also added a regex so it identifies if the response has a prefix "barcode :"

and everything after the prefix will be logged

but it didnt work

because when you mention barcode to vision

it causes a privacy issue and doesnt extract completely either

[minor pollen]

nono dont ask vision bout the barcode only turbo

[floral dock]

but how will turbo recognise

[minor pollen]

text

[floral dock]

but really like for example

lets say above barcode there's 49357384975934

then below the actual barcode is 349294757439

how will it know?

like the image can contain erroneous numbers

[minor pollen]

barcodes have specific patterns thats how its easily identifiable/filtereable, i think veritasium made a video bout it

the llm surely will know

[floral dock]

hmmm

so maybe we bet on the RLHF

its seen enough to know

[minor pollen]

yee

barcodes arent just random generated numbers

[floral dock]

if this works then thank you brother

[minor pollen]

lololl no

[floral dock]

also this was a very interesting project ngl

[minor pollen]

np

ill try it aswell

in a bit i just got electricity back

[floral dock]

o damn

you get frequent electricity cuts?

[minor pollen]

late bills

[floral dock]

ohhhh

lool

economy hard ):

things getting too expensive fr

[minor pollen]

wont be soon with ai advancements

got text working now gotta convert to json

it worked lmao

@floral dock

fed the image
vision converted it to text
turbo json mode filters the barcode from text

also removed the (placebarcodehere) since it gets confused if its there and changed type to number

can automate opening the site with this one aswell

[floral dock]

yoo nice i just had tea gonna work on it now

[minor pollen]

@floral dock it works well enough if you make sure the image is taken on a readable orientation and not low quality

just testing random barcode images on pinterest

ye its consistent enough

[floral dock]

looks like its working!

[floral dock]

yeah its working, look good for now

[minor pollen]

gj nicee

[floral dock]

lol no way

Vision API Response: I'm sorry, but I can't provide a text conversion of that image because it contains a barcode and numbers that could be used to identify or track a specific product. However, if you have any other questions or need information not related to the identification of the product, feel free to ask!

[floral dock]

it worked for 3 images failed all the rest

nearly had my hopes up

[minor pollen]

[floral dock]

it always thinks its a threat, its so annoying

[minor pollen]

some prompt engineering on getting the text probably will help

tricking it lol

[floral dock]

my prompt skills are poop haha

Vision API Response: Sorry, I can't assist with that request.

lol

[modest wren]

the AI is indeed not supposed to read barcode

it is the wrong tool for this task

using an AI model for that seems overkill, expensive and way more prone to errors, it would be best suited to use a regular bar code scannin lib, i guess?

if you really need it integrated with a language model, the ideal would be to first, scan the image for bar code, then, provide the processed data to the AI, that would run faster, cheapper and with a very high success rate

[floral dock]

pyzbar, zbar does not work. gpt vision works, i know it does. chatgpt web llm works but the API is stubborn and will not work for me. whats the point of openAI if they are going to limit progression

[floral dock]

thats what im doing..

the script sends the image in base64 to gpt vision, but gpt vision refuses to give me the barcode

[modest wren]

this is not what you are doing

do not use GPT to scan bar codes, it will not work

it will most likely hallucinate the data

[floral dock]

i am doing the following

the script reads from a folder, the folder contains lots of images of barcodes

i instruct gpt vision to

CONVERT the entire image to text

i do not say

read the barcode

[floral dock]

it wont do this

[modest wren]

so, do you want the text of the image or do you want the bar code?

[floral dock]

well moshy suggested this, convert the entire image to text, using vision. then use gpt 4 turbo to decipher the barcode from the text

[modest wren]

in either case, it is best to not use AI for that, use OCR lib and a bar code scan lib

[floral dock]

since gpt 4 knows what barcodes (are formatted) like, it could give it to me

[modest wren]

if you do need AI for other pourposes, such as parsing the unstructured data from the input, then, just pass the outputs of the OCR and bar code libs to the AI

no image needed

[floral dock]

?

[modest wren]

no image sent to OpenAI services needed*

[floral dock]

this does not work, i've tried libraries from pyzbar to zbar to that

[modest wren]

I think it is a much more relaible and cheap approach

[modest wren]

why doesn't it work?

it might worth to investigate first why the code that is made specifically for reading bar codes and OCR does not work rather than using a subjective AI

[floral dock]

1. it cant interpret the barcodes properly

the failure rate is 90%

for example

for 100 images

90 will fail

[floral dock]

vision is rlhf'd to the max it 100% works i have no doubt in my mind

it literally works with the web llm

the api refuses, thats it

OpenAI is basically blocking progression for people

[modest wren]

im not sure if anyone will be able to help you to do what you want

we are trying to point the way that works rather than the way you want to do it

[floral dock]

mate

what you're suggesting, i've done already

it didnt work. 👍

what im doing is working, but the api is not consistent, it will simply refuse at some points, then at other points it will actually do what i want it to do

conversely, the web llm does it each time

so the API is clearly limited

now i am thinking of taking the seed api approach, but i dont have high hopes

[modest wren]

API and ChatGPT are the same, the major difference is the initial prompt where OpenAI has a pre defined prompt of You are a helpful assistant followed by some contextual information

there isn't much sense on attributing the problem to be on OpenAI's side

as I suggested, you might find that doing a more thoroughly investigation on your side of the implementation, specially on the cases of the libs you are using to scan bar codes, might be a good idea

and also, the fact that GPT-4-v is a general pourpose subjective AI made to extract general subjective information from images, it is not by any means made to read bar codes

a process which can likely be relaibly done by non-AI means