codex-discussions

[quaint prism]

might be elite

[cedar skiff]

probably need a reboot actually, i do keep an eye on it and it is pretty high atm

[lean lark]

Whoe! He's right.

[hushed lava]

get to building!

[trim rapids]

it seemed to handle some of my longer sessions w/o issue but there's a UX problem where the token counts per session when broken down into individual turns reset at compact events

[lean lark]

I got Android to Windows. Thanks @hushed lava !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boreal holly]

The zone map thing, it's very rare, but if you don't wanna suddenly kernel panic and lose progress it's a good thing to do like once a week or every few days

[quaint prism]

scrutiny u the goat bruh

saved us window users

[simple star]

Damn, the permission link wont work for me 🙁

[hushed lava]

no problem!

[lean lark]

Compaction events aren't yet processed. As I said, that's another enhancement. In the next few days I'll be looking at that and grouping by Turns rather than Events.

[hushed lava]

i gotchu

[cedar skiff]

that is a really strange screen shot

[quaint prism]

sorry i ever doubted you

[lean lark]

Where did you get the memo about remote-control, @hushed lava ?

[trim rapids]

this is what I mean

[hushed lava]

which one haha

[hushed lava]

on twitter lol

[cedar skiff]

the side ways cropped one

[hushed lava]

came here to share it incase some people didn’t know the work around

[lean lark]

You have 13000 events in a session!!?!

[hushed lava]

it’s from codex, just wanted to show that it’s running from windows system 32 and not mac and covered my chat titles because you know … haha

[trim rapids]

yeah I use a custom harness

[lean lark]

no wonder you're compacting! OK, I need to look through that. I really haven't even gone down that rabbit hole yet so it's simply not a supported feature. Soon will be tho. I need to pick through JSON props to eek out details. 🙄

[boreal holly]

Bro 😩 xhigh though?

[trim rapids]

Scanned 1541 rollout files and ranked 1526 of 1541 unique sessions by total tokens.
Excluded models: gpt-5.3-codex-spark
Rank  Session                               Model                                   Input Tokens  Output Tokens   Total Tokens  Compacts  Rollout
----  ------------------------------------  -------------------------------------  -------------  -------------  -------------  --------  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1  019db0e0-a12b-7283-8632-a5cb4963b2be  gpt-5.4,gpt-5.5,gpt-5.2,gpt-5.3-codex  2,647,122,698      7,547,863  2,654,670,561       301  2026/04/21/rollout-2026-04-21T09-30-04-019db0e0-a12b-7283-8632-a5cb4963b2be.jsonl
   2  019c64ad-84f5-7483-b5dc-2561a03c71c9  gpt-5.2                                2,282,049,687      8,421,258  2,290,470,945       112  2026/02/15/rollout-2026-02-15T20-20-19-019c64ad-84f5-7483-b5dc-2561a03c71c9.jsonl
   3  019cad4a-5eea-70e3-9570-c082ed1db233  gpt-5.2                                1,690,410,884      8,212,126  1,698,623,010        94  2026/03/01/rollout-2026-03-01T22-44-18-019cad4a-5eea-70e3-9570-c082ed1db233.jsonl
   4  019e0eda-1c11-73f3-ad5a-2a4e9f4df669  gpt-5.3-codex                          1,658,006,523      4,475,224  1,662,481,747       194  2026/05/09/rollout-2026-05-09T15-27-15-019e0eda-1c11-73f3-ad5a-2a4e9f4df669.jsonl
   5  019db9da-34e0-7500-b0ca-7e552052c821  gpt-5.4                                1,629,313,046      5,405,263  1,634,718,309       193  2026/04/23/rollout-2026-04-23T03-19-38-019db9da-34e0-7500-b0ca-7e552052c821.jsonl
   6  019da538-c1b3-7b40-ab03-e161f967f844  gpt-5.4,gpt-5.2                        1,403,637,518      5,258,203  1,408,895,721        70  2026/04/19/rollout-2026-04-19T03-10-53-019da538-c1b3-7b40-ab03-e161f967f844.jsonl
   7  019e040d-08fd-7dc3-963c-4dea0b095c01  gpt-5.3-codex                          1,327,892,714      3,275,963  1,331,168,677       175  2026/05/07/rollout-2026-05-07T13-07-03-019e040d-08fd-7dc3-963c-4dea0b095c01.jsonl
   8  019ce07b-fe13-7631-a3ac-916eabdb329f  gpt-5.4,gpt-5.2                        1,136,859,210      5,040,450  1,141,899,660        61  2026/03/11/rollout-2026-03-11T22-19-08-019ce07b-fe13-7631-a3ac-916eabdb329f.jsonl
   9  019dabcb-e292-7723-8696-5738dfbe093b  gpt-5.4,gpt-5.2,gpt-5.5                1,104,608,773      4,142,387  1,108,751,160        96  2026/04/20/rollout-2026-04-20T09-49-19-019dabcb-e292-7723-8696-5738dfbe093b.jsonl
  10  019ccdcf-c652-79d0-baba-3b96ab0f837b  gpt-5.4,gpt-5.2                        1,056,179,179      2,926,881  1,059,106,060        42  2026/03/08/rollout-2026-03-08T07-17-51-019ccdcf-c652-79d0-baba-3b96ab0f837b.jsonl
Totals across all matched sessions (not limited to the top results): input=76,532,524,329 output=307,877,047 total=76,841,203,776```

[lean lark]

301 compactions!?! That's serious abuse. I'm calling the Bot Union!

[hushed lava]

what are you guys even building haha

[boreal holly]

If you do number of compactions, it would be insane if it also compared before and after

[trim rapids]

3d renderers and bytecode interpreters and everything in between

[grave reef]

I found a bug in claude code lol

[bright swift]

i'm building a todo app

[lean lark]

Tuning https://github.com/CaptainStarbuck/codex-usage

[grave reef]

in a feature that is only for anthropic employees.

so I cant report it in h1

[boreal holly]

You have the boys creating a VM???

[grave reef]

ooh I like this

[lean lark]

branch "filter1" has alpha filtering features.

[boreal holly]

It's really good

[lean lark]

A few of our friends here are graciously providing feedback on updates. ❤️

[vapid vine]

anyone know what it means if "Create environment" button is greyed out on website for codex enterprise account

trying to get the mobile connection set up

[lean lark]

That's weird

[glacial shadow]

You’re a Claude employee?

[grave reef]

no, I am not

[uneven kayak]

What kind of response even is that? Only Claude employees can find bugs in Claude Code now? Wow must be some of the best written software ever if only employees are able to find bugs 😂

[glacial shadow]

What do u delevelop?

https://tenor.com/view/joker-haha-evillaugh-thejoker-laugh-gif-5302593

[serene atlas]

codex app desnt show how to connect my phone on it

can someone share what its supposed to look like

is it under settings -> connections

[proper cosmos]

I did power shell codex remote-control

Why is it still not working

[lean lark]

Seany - are you sure the app is running? Do you see it on the screen?

The Windows app...

[proper cosmos]

Yes

Nothing has popped up

I've checked though all the settings in codex, I'm so bloody confused

[pure palm]

Got the same issue ^, thought this was macOS only but its suppose to work on windows too right?

[proper cosmos]

Glad I'm not alone

Where you from?

[bright swift]

😂

[lean lark]

Looking and thinking, Seany....

[proper cosmos]

Switching you to codex 5.5 very high model

Try again~

[lean lark]

In the Windows app, open File>About Codex. What's the version?

[lean lark]

The good news is, that version is correct and should work.
The bad news is, it isn't working... OK, hang on.

[proper cosmos]

Dohh

Thank you for helping dude

Don't worry if you got shizzle to do

[lean lark]

I'm in learning mode, good for both of us.

[proper cosmos]

It might be the network my PC is on perhaps

[lean lark]

You have your PS session open in terminal.

1. Is that Administrator Terminal?
2. Ctrl-C, then codex --version.

[proper cosmos]

I'm in hospital being a human Guinea pig

[pure palm]

i think i got it, but its not updating chats on the windows codex app

[proper cosmos]

Sec

[lean lark]

That's the problem.

v111 is far behind.

[proper cosmos]

Is there a command to update

Or do I download power shell again

[lean lark]

yeah: npm i -g @digital thunder/codex@latest

[velvet bay]

codex remote control is cool but it crashes pretty often
hope it will get better soon!

[lean lark]

The fragility of remote-control might be the reason they original said Windows support needs to be deferred. We might all be playing against the better judgement of the dev team. 🙁

[velvet bay]

im on mac + iphone but it still crashes

[lean lark]

Get Windows and an Android phone - you'll be fine! 🤣

[velvet bay]

/goal improve stability of codex remote control, make no mistakes

[whole field]

My android didnt see that codex remote 🙂

This app just outdated

[lean lark]

See above SrHAo` : Check version of Windows app. Check Codex version from PS.

[whole field]

Is it related to the chatgpt version on the phone

[undone patio]

guys i just pushed to main on the toilet

[proper cosmos]

Now version 0.130

I'm dying it's 2am

Thanks for the help guys but I'll try again tomorrow ❤️

[lean lark]

Sounds like Ireland there.

[proper cosmos]

Yup

England

[lean lark]

🙂

[proper cosmos]

Cheers for the help

Will probably magically work tomorrow lol

[lean lark]

reboot

[proper cosmos]

Oh aye good shout

[lean lark]

yes, needs to be fully updated as of today.

[boreal holly]

or perhaps the official OpenSSH client needs to be installed and fully configured

[hollow reef]

Mine worked

[uneven kayak]

So you pushed to the mains? Lol

Not sure why I like watching the agent so much, it's just fascinating watching it work

Plus I'm a little paranoid, I want to let it start working and go to sleep but I'm afraid I'll wake up to a massive mistake and I'll have to redo stuff cause I wasn't watching

[leaden hornet]

anyone's codex acting slow?

[uneven kayak]

No slower than usual, it's not exactly fast but it's a better value than faster options

[trim rapids]

just make it create interim git commits as part of the workflow

[leaden hornet]

im saying the app itself

[uneven kayak]

Yeah I do that already, I just have an irrational fear lol

[lean lark]

I was just reading through a session file, cuz War And Peace is for kids, and I saw that the assistant didn't find the "gh" command so it didn't bother to report the problem or go out to GitHub to get repo data, it just quietly derived an understanding of what I wanted and proceeded to operate on that spec.
Yes, watch, and be afraid.
Be Very afraid of what it does in the night without telling you. Mwahahaha....

[uneven kayak]

I'm not sure what it is, maybe it's the Codex app itself, but I'm on Windows 11 and whenever I have Codex working on something that requires interacting with Android Studio, my computer lags like hell. It keeps lagging and the lag increases, sort of like a memory leak, until it gets so bad that it's running at half a frame per second and I have to restart the machine.

It builds until the lag is too intense to do any testing, takes about 5 or 6 hours to get to that point but it happens every time like clockwork

[lean lark]

What kind of "interaction"? Are you watching processes to see if it's firing up a new instance of studio for every new request?

[uneven kayak]

It just builds gradle and pulls logcat from an AVD, nothing fancy

I explicitly instructed it not to start a new emulator and not to open Android Studio, if it's not already running, it stops and asks me to start it

[lean lark]

thinking...

[dusk thorn]

Love mobile app

[glad crater]

Anyone have a problem reconnecting to codex desktop from the mobile app after it disconnects due to computer going to sleep?

[uneven kayak]

Well I think it had something to do with a stale HyperV setup I had from yesteryear, after I disabled testing mode in Windows, I think the lag might have stopped. But it's hard to tell because the AVD runs like crap even when it's working normally lol

But the overall PC lag hasn't come back since then so knock on wood

[lean lark]

Android logcat can be huge. I'm wondering if it's making a lot of queries?
Those emulators are really slow anyway.

[oak trellis]

hmm did they removed 5.3 codex ?!

[uneven kayak]

Ah that's a good point, there are a LOT of extra entries about screen resolution and stuff, I can probably get it to quiet down a bit

[lean lark]

What I'm thinking is that these session--.jsonl files that I'm working with can get really big. And a single text file that needs to be parsed constantly is gonna start to lag.

[uneven kayak]

Yeah makes sense

[lean lark]

5.3-codex is still available in VSCode extension under Other Models.

[oak trellis]

had a bug it said custom .. now it came back hmm

[lean lark]

hmmm, I'd restart VSCode if that's what you're working with - or just Reload Window.

[oak trellis]

also its ultra slow now

[undone patio]

guys i think macbook + iphone might be the ultimate tech

[uneven kayak]

It's a very good combination, best ecosystem available if you need that sort of compatibility. It's a no brainer for corporations.

But I'm a bit salty that MacOS has proper computer use while I'm relegated to the CLI 😭 lol

It's so fascinating to watch the agent hit a runtime error then actively fix it, test the fix and keep working on the thing it was working on before. I can't stop thinking about when I was nearly this fascinated by simply being able to generate snippets to copy.

[lean lark]

Codex Windows was just using my Chrome browser to surf around ... that's almost "Computer Use" 🙂

[uneven kayak]

Yeah it's useful for sure, and that gives me hope that they'll open it up for other apps as well

Why don't we call Windows apps "programs" anymore? It just occurred to me.

But that's not really related to Codex lol

[plush harbor]

I just remembered something I did in 2024 that's causing me breaking issues now while on the toilet. Valid method of working if you ask me

[uneven kayak]

Well the lag is back, spoke too soon

Actually might take this laptop and find a good solid brick wall to throw it up against lol

And I checked the logcat, it's not unreasonably long, but that shouldn't matter anyway because the agent only pulls what it needs

[hard drum]

WYSI

[uneven kayak]

However, just to be on the safe side, I changed the logcat buffer size from 1024 KB to 48 KB

[valid bear]

■ Error running remote compact task: stream disconnected before completion: error sending request for url (https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses/compact)

[uneven kayak]

That's been happening to a lot of people over the last couple days

[trim rapids]

that right there is why I only use gpt-5.3-codex

it's the only model I can never get to do that

[valid bear]

it started last week for me

[trim rapids]

every once in a while when you get a compaction failure like that you can try switching the model to 5.3-codex, manually running /compact and then switching back to whatever you were using before it if succeeds

[valid bear]

I also burned through 11% of my pro 20x WEEKLY quota in 5 mins having Codex read some files on 5.5 xhigh?

[uneven kayak]

Heh I lose track of time watching the session scroll by 😂

[cedar skiff]

seems like an exaggeration somewhere in this comment

[hard drum]

actually, not really

guess who here has the most issues with weekly deficits?

&& i don't ever use 5.5 xhigh

even on low/medium, issue persists

[valid bear]

i’m not joking, seriously my context window was at 137k when the task was completed but my weekly quota dropped by 11%

[hard drum]

i could eat my entire weekly in just 2-3 days if i tried

not that it once happened

[cedar skiff]

just reading a few documents wont burn an entire 5 hour window

[cedar skiff]

Are you sure you arent on plus?

[valid bear]

i just upgraded to pro 20x last week and burned through the whole thing in 24 hours

[cedar skiff]

doing what?

[valid bear]

yes i’m sure

[cedar skiff]

doing what?

[lean lark]

If any of you with token issues want to get insanely nerdy, I can lead you to some data that might help you to figure out the issues. Any takers?

[cedar skiff]

You would have to have 10 xhigh agents running constantly

crickets

[lean lark]

🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗 🦗

Maybe tomorrow

[valid bear]

building what else would i be doing

[cedar skiff]

normal usage wont burn like this. something else is going on

[valid bear]

sure

[valid bear]

i agree, my claude 20x account lasts way longer

[cedar skiff]

well thats your first clue codex 20x lasts at least twice as long

and its on double usage atm

[unique spade]

i wonder if you can even spend them in 1 day without hitting 5 hours limits

[hard drum]

me

[valid bear]

1 prompt and after 5 mins of running I was at this

[hard drum]

help

[cedar skiff]

doesnt make any sense, seems like that account is on free teir

[autumn shuttle]

with a high turn limit hermes will lay waste to a codex acct on xhigh 😂

or a low turn limit

[valid bear]

so i've heard which is why i think something is going on. I emailed OpenAI, but no response from a human yet.

[unique spade]

if you spent 12% in 5 mins that sounds like free account usage i agree

[valid bear]

i know, but I'm paying $200/mo right now and not getting it

[cedar skiff]

double check your local codex is actually connected to the account youre paying for

[autumn shuttle]

using a little normal codex cli right now and it seems more gimped today than ever

[fallow steppe]

i just built a full fivem server with codex..

[valid bear]

it's the right account

[solid lake]

How big is all your documentation

[unique spade]

nothing else to do except contacting support i guess

[valid bear]

the context window hit 137k after that one prompt... that's the only task I gave it. I've been sitting on a dead codex for the past 6 days

[solid lake]

What was task

[unique spade]

context not an issue. during documentation it fills up fast. issue is 12% used on one taslk on pro 20x

[valid bear]

i'm building a composable runtime UI, it was prep reading files before I hit it with a goal.

[lean lark]

@hard drum
OK, nerd, here ya go. 🤓
Copy any session file under \home\codex.codex\sessions\2026\05\13 or wherever your .codex folder is to your tmp folder - simply the name to session.jsonl.
Run this utility to convert it to .json so it can be read, otherwise it's kinda tough. YMMV
https://github.com/CaptainStarbuck/codex-usage/blob/main/src/utils/jsonl2json.js
(You already have it if you have codex-usage)
A corresponding file is created in the same folder, session.json.
Open that format, and get yer nerd on.
See if you can see a pattern in commands under "type": "custom_tool_call", or excessive "type": "custom_tool_call_output".
Look for huge encrypted content under "type": "reasoning".
Please DM me with any patterns you find that seem like the assistant is going in circles or processing huuuuuuge amounts of data.
Have fun! 🤓

[cedar skiff]

it would have to be 10 encyclopaedias to burn 11% at double usage

probably 20 or more who knows, its no 137k context though

[solid lake]

Yeah

Did you reinstall codex

[valid bear]

havent tried yet, ill wait till the next compaction error for that

[solid lake]

Wait so it’s working right now?

[valid bear]

it wasn't not working it's just burning tokens like crazy

i have it on 5.4 high now

[solid lake]

Oh

If it’s a lot of repetitive tasks it’ll burn usage with thinking

[valid bear]

already down 83%

[solid lake]

Unless you tell it to “poll something periodically that’s been working for me”

[solid lake]

Not bad

I’m at 15% 3 days in

[valid bear]

i definitely get more bang for my buck with claude at the moment

[solid lake]

But what is your workflow like

[valid bear]

spec driven is how we work

[solid lake]

Sure, and did you deploy it on an existing codebase?

Or is it building one from scratch

[valid bear]

yeah we have like 12 repos now

codex is just working on 1

[solid lake]

Has it been reading a lot of code?

[valid bear]

5 mins worth lol === 11% weekly allocation

[solid lake]

How many files/loc did it take in?

[trim rapids]

try removing the installation_id file and logging in again, it shouldn't be burning anywhere near that fast

[whole field]

Hi, can i ask for chatgpt's android version rightnow

[valid bear]

idk 15, this is not normal. i've been using coding agents for over a year now. i've never seen quotas burn this fast.

[cedar skiff]

It's certainly a bug or some configuration issue, you can't use a single thread and burn 11% on 20x in 5 mins while only using 137k the maths is a few orders of magnitude off.

[lean lark]

I'm running Beta, but I have 1.2026.125(19)

[valid bear]

ill try this next once that stupid compaction issue happens again

[solid lake]

Is it running a job rn

Or is it the same goal from the first time

[lean lark]

( You know you're getting old when you want to disable your own VSCode extension and you can't remember it's name 🙄 )

[valid bear]

same goal

now the permissions things is buggy, it's on full access right now and keeps stopping to get my approval to change files

[lean lark]

I'm wrapping up for the evening here in CA/USA.
@trim rapids I've been pursuing compaction. It's fascinating. Please DM me to let me know exactly what you're looking for. I'm sure I can get it now.
Night, all!

[valid bear]

what's everyone else building here?

[placid lantern]

When Android controlling Windows Codex host?

[solid lake]

So the chat has been going on for 7 days?

Between the resumes ig

[valid bear]

nah just started the goal like 2 hours ago or whatever

[sacred minnow]

^

[valid bear]

remember when people use to respond to customer support?

[valid bear]

tried still showing the same numbers as before

[whole field]

Tks , but this android app version 1.2026.125 didnt have codex remote 🙁

How i can access to beta

[cedar skiff]

had a couple of goes on the new app, it's great. Feels a little sluggish, but i guess that's expected.

[lean lark]

You don't need beta. It should be available.

[whole field]

I see this rn, i must to delete my app and dowload this again

I sweer i didnt see that in my last chat 🥹

[lean lark]

😁

I'm offline now. I will be back at my desk tomorrow, USA time.

[summer snow]

Is codex on mobile only for Mac users?

[undone patio]

idk im a mac user

guys i just pushed to main from the bar

[whole field]

No, android available

[summer snow]

Using a iPhone with regular laptop.

[sudden ice]

Why does Codex on mobile need the desktop app? Literally Replit is an example of mobile vibe-coding without a desktop app connection.

[undone patio]

Because Mogman said so

[cedar skiff]

there is a distinction here, the mobile app isnt a cloud instance it's a direct connection to your personal desktop instance. That is its purpose. There is also a codex cloud that can do what you suggest it connects to github and you can control it from chatgpt.com.

The cloud run instance cost something like 4x

think of the new mobile feature as an ssh connection with a nice ui

[jagged gale]

has anyone been seeing Codex glitching today? Like baby talk kinda glitch?

The standalone authoring tool is now at [tools/vector_authoring/index.html](</mnt? no, need windows abs path?>) 

Wait file link instructions absolute path like /abs/path, but Windows absolute J:\? In markdown link target can be J:\?

Developer says absolute filesystem path. Use [tools/vector_authoring/index.html]
(J:/bevy/duhrng/tools/vector_authoring/index.html). Better. Final. Ensure no weird. Need mention open. Also mention tests. Need final no citations. Let's draft. 

Need maybe "open from file explorer" not "copy". 

Final under 70 lines. Use not too many bullets. Use file links with absolute path J:/bevy/... clickable? likely. Ok. Wait "Never tell user to save/copy this file" no. "You can open" okay. Need mention build web warning. 
Final.```

"Ensure no weird"

I thnk you failed there dude.

[plush harbor]

saved like 20 tokens in that output

[mossy jewel]

good

[vital hill]

i was supposed to take an hour nap but then woke up 5 hours later smh

[restive oasis]

is it available for windows?

[plucky halo]

Have you been using the 'caveman' skill that was popular recently

[lost salmon]

i ask the same

is Windows no upgrade?

[rocky dragon]

Has anyone on Android managed to connect Codex to a Windows PC? For me, it just loads endlessly and nothing appears on my PC. Thanks in advance for your help 🙏🏻

[cold ferry]

Guys I see Claude have Trimble Sketchup MCP. Can we do that with CODEX?

[solid lake]

It’s working 🥺

[valid bear]

wen fix openai wen

[keen grove]

why codex consumed so quickly.

[signal tapir]

Check if you are on fast mode

[keen grove]

no i'm plus. and normal use .

[signal tapir]

Is subagents active?

[keen grove]

i even don't konw how start subagent.

[signal tapir]

What client are you using?

[keen grove]

mac os codex software

[signal tapir]

Then I'm afraid someone else is going to have to take over helping you. 😛

Last time I was using up my quota too fast I had a huge AGENTS.md

[keen grove]

oh thank you i just delete out my .codex but i have used up it now

[cedar skiff]

how big was it? I wouldnt think a large agents.md would make much of a difference

[tribal widget]

Hi Guys, a question: Can i use Codex App with free Account and if yes can i also use Mobile Codex with the same account? i tried already. On Windows it said it is connected but on my Pixel it stucked on configure Codex screen. now im wondering if it is beacause my free plan or anything else?

i wanted to figure out how Mobile Codex works with Codex on Windows togheter

[young locust]

you can use codex with a free plan but for the windows part they said "Support for connecting your phone to the Codex app on Windows is coming soon."

[tribal widget]

oh i didnt saw that thank you i will wait then

[deft violet]

I wish OpenAI would fix the frontend design issue

[cedar skiff]

use one of the skill packages

small amount of configuration to fix it

[deft violet]

I am using it, it still sucks

at least compared to something like claude

[cedar skiff]

which ones are you using?

[stiff panther]

Uhmm, lost most local chats after connecting to mobile? Anyone?

[uneven kayak]

Ugh I don't want to go to work and deal with life, I just wanna vibe code forever 😂

[stiff panther]

The issue is that you are expecting Codex to do the frontend design for you. Codex will follow extremely precisely what you tell it to do. Claude will do whatever it wants. That's the difference between a tool for a software engineer and a magic for a vibe coder 😄

And Codex has much higher code quality when compared to Claude

[uneven kayak]

GPT handles UI if you're extremely detailed and explicit, I haven't had too many issues that couldn't be easily solved with a quick followup

[cedar skiff]

i doubt they are using the same skills i am thinking of

[stiff panther]

Yup

[cedar skiff]

taste skill and impeccable solve it

[stiff panther]

Also yes, skills allow Codex to behave like Claude, but Claude can't behave like Codex even with skills

[cedar skiff]

you have to spend a little more time on it, but its fine

[stiff panther]

Care to share it?

Just out of curiosity

[cedar skiff]

you can google those ones they are battle tested packages

[deft violet]

I've felt that very much yes

[stiff panther]

Only issue I've had with Codex is that when I make obvious errors in the prompt, he goes with them as instructions, even though they are obviously mistakes :/ at times it's following a bit too much instructions lol

[stiff panther]

Has anyone been experiencing this issue as well? Otherwise I might need to go through help center

[deft vale]

Heyy, anyone here having problems with Codex failing to run commands while working on a Flutter/Dart project?

[eager forum]

When will official linux codex app available

[cedar skiff]

which commands?

i have a couple of flutter projects i work on regularly and it is consistent

[simple star]

Did anyone got Codex mobile to work on android?

[white fulcrum]

Somehow the Computer Use disappears in the latest version of Codex app, anyone experience the same thing?

[white fulcrum]

I can, any problem you encounter?

[simple star]

When I scan the QR code in the Codex App, I get this

I suspect that URL should make the app open, and not the browser

[white fulcrum]

I think you don't need to scan the qr code to enable this feature

may try going to the ChatGPT app on android

and see if there is Codex

[simple star]

There is not

[white fulcrum]

Is it the latest version

[simple star]

Yes

[white fulcrum]

wait

where is the :

isn't the complete link should be com.openai.chat://codex/open?

[white fulcrum]

there is not : in your link

[simple star]

No, I do not get that. I get an http link

Let me try that, manually, 1 min

[cedar bear]

Is it even out for Android aka Windows?
Aka not an Apple User?

[simple star]

Nah, not working

[white fulcrum]

Android+macOS works for me

[white fulcrum]

are you using macOS or Windows

for the host

[cedar bear]

Well Windows is Not out yet ig

[white fulcrum]

i think so

[simple star]

Macos

[white fulcrum]

what you used to scan the qr code to obtain this link?

I think this should not be a http link

maybe your qr scanner intepreted it as a http link

while it is actually not

i think you should use another qr code scanner

randomly get one from Play Store

opening this link in the scanner should directly go to ChatGPT app

but not browsers

[simple star]

@white fulcrum I used a normal scanner. Doesnt really matter, no? It's just to convert an image to text

I was using the Chrome scanner

Let me try a different one

[white fulcrum]

don't use that

a random qr code scanner from Play Store should work

[simple star]

Holy Hell. That was it

SHAME ON YOU, GOOGLE!

Sanitizing QR codes, are you f kidding me

@white fulcrum Thanks

[gentle harbor]

who made this ?

[simple star]

Yeah, now it works, awesome

[gentle harbor]

im on the chatgpt desktop app and they are telling me i can download the chatgpt desktop app

i also have the codex and mobile app

just bloat thats annoying

[white fulcrum]

Do you still have Computer Use this plugin in the latest version of Codex?

https://github.com/openai/codex/issues/22805

[simple star]

@white fulcrum I havent tries it yet

Let me see

No, its gone

[white fulcrum]

Ok. Thank you!

[simple star]

There is no /goal in the Codex App?

[white fulcrum]

I think so

But i heard that it still works if you send /goal

[simple star]

mmm

[white fulcrum]

but there won't be completion as you are typing it

[simple star]

I guess it's expected, since I need to edit the config.toml for the CLI, after all

I will try it...

Yeah, you are right, it still works

[white fulcrum]

Will the session started with /goal appears in the sidebar after you close the app?

Before in the CLI, I encountered the issue that it was not appearing in the list of resumable sessions

[simple star]

I did it directly on the MacOs app, not the mobile app

[white fulcrum]

I had to resume it by typing its uuid

[simple star]

In the mobile app, I see no visual cue telling me it is a goal, except the original prompt

[white fulcrum]

Does the session started with /goal appear here?

[simple star]

I dont even know where to find that view

[white fulcrum]

Click this

or command+b

[plush harbor]

yeah that has 3 links to things I can't use, wasting screen real estate

[simple star]

@white fulcrum thats desktop, no?

@white fulcrum Yes, it appears

[white fulcrum]

yes

[white fulcrum]

great

I tried to use /goal some days ago in the CLI

the session just disappeared

which was quite frustrating

[simple star]

I have it working for 30h already, my goal in CLI

Even though I would like for it to pause a goal, at times, to ask questions it may come up with

[thorn sail]

Hello. A task that took 2–3 minutes just a few days ago now takes over 20 minutes. Is this happening to you too? Codex Desktop 26.506.31421

[simple star]

@thorn sail May very well depend on the server load. Codex is not equally fast every day

[trim rapids]

also depends on account tier

[thorn sail]

I have the PRO plan

[cedar skiff]

You can get goal working in codex app by saying "use create_goal tool..."

[quaint totem]

Hey guys just wondering if i am the only one who got that “codex” icon on their phone but not on the laptop?

Am using the same account

• updated

I just find it weird that the feature got on my phone but not the laptop

[cedar skiff]

I only have chat gpt icon on phone

[quaint totem]

Hmm

I guess am gonna have to wait then

[cedar skiff]

ok hold on do you mean the one in the left side bar?

[quaint totem]

Yes

[cedar skiff]

let me check on my pc

[quaint totem]

On my phone

[cedar skiff]

i have it on desktop by im 99% sure that is the cloud instance version

[quaint totem]

Hmmmm

Thanks for checking

[cedar skiff]

I charges like a bull

[quaint totem]

Is that on codex app or web

[cedar skiff]

that is on web, codex app is codex o.0

[quaint totem]

Oh okay i might have misunderstood you

[white fulcrum]

i think you can scan the qr code to have codex on phone

[quaint totem]

Bc i have the icon on web too

I was talking about that new mobile feature thing on the codex app

[blissful basin]

i´ve seen recently someone was posting here some repos for using multiple accounts for codex, anyone know does it preserve history when i switch beteen accounts?

[cedar skiff]

yeah so to use it you use that icon in your phone then you do the auth setup and it's like ssh connection to your local codex app on your pc, but with a nicer ui than tmux or what ever

and easier to setup

So the codex app wont have that icon

[cedar skiff]

Oh, understand now, i have that setup. Used it a bit today. Sent a couple of prompts

it's a little flakey, disconnecting and having to reconnect etc

[quaint totem]

Yeah you are right
I just found out that this feature is only for macbooks for now

[spice owl]

Does anyone know how I can connect to codex on a headless server via a codex desktop app on Mac with an Android version of ChatGPT app?

[uneven kayak]

Ah that explains why I haven't been able to get it to work lol

[quaint totem]

Yeah

[uneven kayak]

OpenAI is really falling behind with Windows updates.

[blissful basin]

it is a bit sad that tools like this are so much delayed on windows when both type of users pay same sub

[uneven kayak]

And the most stupid thing about it is, there are vastly more Windows users than Mac users.

The number isn't even close

[blissful basin]

it is just easier to ship for mac

but at the same time thats not an excuse

[uneven kayak]

Laziness is not a good excuse

[blissful basin]

even codex in IDE is basically unusable on windows without WSL

[uneven kayak]

They shot themselves in the foot when they decided to use the apps for Windows ecosystem. That locks them into an update review cycle.

[blissful basin]

(got much better though in last few months, however it still struggles with powershell)

[uneven kayak]

Yeah it's basically useless without WSL. Makes me wonder if I should switch to Linux

[blissful basin]

i was using it on linux past half a year and was ok, however app is defo not optimized because it was literally cooking my laptop

but quality wise, much better than windows, so if you are fine with linux then switch

[uneven kayak]

I've used Linux for work a lot but didn't run it at home for very long, always switch back to Windows for my games lol

[blissful basin]

now changed to mac and im in general happy but still change was for wrong reasons, if i could use it on linux/windows without any issues i wouldnt even consider going for mac

[uneven kayak]

There is no planet upon which I buy a Mac until every component is user replaceable

[blissful basin]

i have my gaming pc with windows as well, linux got better for gaming but it is still too much hustle to get everything working

i just stopped coding on my main pc and using laptop for everything coding related

but again, this is a bandaid not a solution

you can always get a dual boot for windows/linux

[uneven kayak]

I was so excited to see the mobile app update, then I just discovered it's only for MacOS and that seriously pisses me off. Why? Two reasons. One, they didn't specify that at all, not anywhere I can find. Two, Mac needs to come second because Windows has more users therefore it has more customers and more revenue.

[blissful basin]

can you use mix android phone -> mac with it?

didnt test that yet

[uneven kayak]

Probably, it's the same app

I see the option to connect to Codex desktop in the mobile app

On Android

So now I'm still looking for a remote access solution that doesn't require remote desktop

[velvet wren]

nobody in this space will put Windows before macOS while the vast majority of devs use a Mac

[uneven kayak]

The vast majority of devs use Windows or Linux.

[blissful basin]

i´m actually curious about stats for that, because that might be the case in US, but from experience in EU i think there is much less mac users

[uneven kayak]

Nearly 70% of devs use Windows or Linux as of late 2025

Mostly Windows

[cedar skiff]

It's strange because all the devs i know use macos, it must be a cultural differences where larger population countries outside of mine use windows. Almost no one i know uses windows for dev.

[uneven kayak]

Yeah it's probably a cultural thing

[velvet wren]

I don't personally know a dev that isn't on Mac

[uneven kayak]

No dev I've ever met uses MacOS, most of them swear by Linux

Well, in person that is lol

[cedar skiff]

oh my bad yeah plenty use linux as well

or both, but hardly windows

[blissful basin]

in europe apple mobile phones are popular, but for work i´d say maybe 30% of people i encountered use mac

but this really depends on company as well

Now i was only person in company using linux before change

[uneven kayak]

I guess I'm in the minority. Only about 18% of devs use WSL lol. There's a good reason for that too...

[blissful basin]

but in previous one was mostly windows -> macos -> linux

[cedar skiff]

this is the take i get from chatgpt

Windows wins globally because a huge share of developers are outside the wealthy Apple-heavy mobile/startup bubble. That includes lower-income countries, universities, enterprise workplaces, government, outsourcing firms, and corporate IT.

[blissful basin]

and split was probably around 70-30-<1%

[uneven kayak]

That pans out with recent studies

[cedar skiff]

The Stack Overflow 2025 survey shows the global split clearly: for professional use, Windows 49.5%, macOS 32.9%, Ubuntu 27.7%, with 31,569 responses to that question. Stack Overflow’s respondent base is global, with the USA, Germany and India as the top three responding countries.

[uneven kayak]

Except for the 1% on Linux, that's a bit low

[blissful basin]

However windows became awful for software development in recent years

[cedar skiff]

half windows and half macos and linux

[uneven kayak]

It's never been fantastic for software development unless you're working with .NET

[blissful basin]

it was only me and other person in team who used linux in previous corpo 😄

[uneven kayak]

Actually I have to be wrong, the stats don't lie. Maybe it's not so terrible for development.

[blissful basin]

it also strongly depends on field, probably much more linux users in cybersec for example

[cedar skiff]

My intuition says the ai crowd are on mac at openai

[blissful basin]

which also goes under IT

[blissful basin]

that was only reason i changed to mac because wanted access to latest tools

[uneven kayak]

Yeah I believe that is true, seems a lot of AI companies use MacBooks

Except Google of course lol

[blissful basin]

didnt elon threw temper tantrum last year that he is banning usage of mac in his companies ? 😄

[uneven kayak]

It's crazy to think how far Google has come. Once a search engine, then an advertising platform, now an AI company.

[uneven kayak]

Sounds like Musk lol

[blissful basin]

i dont remember exactly why, but i think that was something about integrating openai, but i might remember wrong

[orchid plume]

I agree, it's a shame. I've ended up switching to an unofficial Linux port of the app, going to use that from now on pretty much, via Codex on the mobile

[uneven kayak]

I mean I understand that focusing on a single OS for initial rollout of new features makes perfect sense, I just wish that focus were on Windows 😭 lol

[orchid plume]

true, but the problem is that it's not just been one feature, it's been multiple features. Computer Use, Chronicle, and without some manual changes to config.toml, also Remote

[uneven kayak]

Yeah that's a good point. Quite a few updates have been pushed for MacOS since the last Windows update.

[orchid plume]

yeah 🙁

[uneven kayak]

Well it's still extremely early on, they only released Codex desktop for Windows in March

[exotic cave]

Anyone knows why they are not giving some love to linux user base? I guess CLI is good enough for Linux users...

[orchid plume]

prob consider Linux users to be terminal mostly 😂

I'm using an unofficial port on Ubuntu desktop at the moment, working well

[uneven kayak]

Yeah when I think Linux, I think CLI

[exotic cave]

What, the codex app is closed source last i checked, unless i am outdated.

[orchid plume]

can be patched to work, let me get a link to the repo I use

[orchid plume]

assuming automod doesn't remove the link - https://github.com/ilysenko/codex-desktop-linux

[exotic cave]

Interesting.

[orchid plume]

add a few lines under [features] in config.toml and you can also enable remote control

[uneven kayak]

Github links are allowed

And wow that's cool

[orchid plume]

yeah wasn't sure 😄

[exotic cave]

Leave it to the linux gremlins to be on top of things...

[orchid plume]

haha yeah, well if support isn't officially added, then someone will surely find a way to add it themselves

even has computer use support

[exotic cave]

That's impressive, am i right to say that they never released the code for the app?

[orchid plume]

yeah it's closed source

doesn't mean it's impossible to modify though, it's just minified and such

[uneven kayak]

Don't take this the wrong way but I hope it becomes redundant lol. They'll release they're own Linux desktop app eventually.

[orchid plume]

I agree, I would prefer official support

[exotic cave]

It's known this things can get redundant. But it's the transition that hurts users where they don't add support to it...

[orchid plume]

another interesting one is Codex++, which again "patches" Codex desktop app so that users can more easily extend Codex with their own features

[exotic cave]

They should have open sourced the app... I am clueless as to why they chose to make it closed source, if someone have a better view please educate me.

[orchid plume]

I agree, but I assume it's down to competition

[uneven kayak]

Well I'm home from work, back to work on my game. I'm in the process of running Codex through 18 extensive plans to fully realize the UX, and it's slow work but it's looking absolutely fantastic so far.

[orchid plume]

impressive

once my ubuntu devbox has finished being fully setup (Codex is doing the work for me 😂) then I'll be working on a few projects, guessing it'll be after lunch now

installing all the essential things like perl, python, php, docker, etc

[uneven kayak]

Dude this game is shaping up to be so much more than I ever expected. I have four tiers of three separate upgrade systems, multiple end game systems, an entire mail system, client/server telemetry and back end player data authentication. That's only some of it 😆

[orchid plume]

damn 😮

[uneven kayak]

But that's all done pretty much. The game is functionally complete, now the vast majority of the remaining work is UI/UX.

Already spent over $100 generating images with GPT Image 2, it adds up quick when I'm testing and iterating

But I think it's coming together nicely now, so there won't be a lot of testing anymore, just need to generate a few hundred assets 😂

[blissful basin]

pls share some video or something of what you created really curious

[uneven kayak]

I'll post a new video today for sure, the one I already posted in #codex-show-and-tell is extremely outdated at this point

[lean lark]

I'm still sleeping here but... If you want to use codex on Android with Windows, open a terminal and run codex remote-control. The the device will connect to Windows.
Have fun!

In Windows you need the latest codex-cli:
npm i -g @OpenAI/codex@latest

[wheat talon]

anyone getting "Control other devices from this Mac" feature working? I just get this error

[lean lark]

Need to go back to sleep. See y'all in a few hours. 💤💤💤

[uneven kayak]

That didn't work but it may be because I didn't update the CLI first. However, I found a solution for Codex desktop that works!!! YAY!! I'm connected!

All I had to do was add this. Probably only need the middle two.

remote_connections = true
remote_control = true
workspace_dependencies = false```
to ``[Features]`` in config.toml

then I restarted Codex and it instantly connected to the mobile app

so that makes me wonder why this isn't just on the settings page like in MacOS

[uneven kayak]

Omg yes. This is beautiful, it's so nice to have mobile notifications.

[cedar skiff]

pretty sweet eh?

can sit on the couch and act like i am spending time with the wife

[boreal hawk]

What is the best prompt that codex checks my project for security (skills?)

[cedar skiff]

could try this:
https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud/security/

[chrome raven]

oh hell no 😂 😂

[cedar skiff]

https://chatgpt.com/codex/cloud

[boreal hawk]

I dont have the security button

[cedar skiff]

hmm not sure about that o.0

[uneven kayak]

Lol I'm just tired of staring at screens all the time

[cedar skiff]

It does get tiresome i have a gym in my office i get into that when i need a break

[uneven kayak]

Very nice

[cedar skiff]

this behind me in the office, don't mind the towel as a curtain ahha

[summer iris]

I deleted my phone from my mac instance of codex because they wouldn't connect so was going to re-pair them, but then discovered you can't remove your mac from yoiur phone codex app. Anyone know how to do a new pairing in this state?

[ember spire]

pet should be the main ui

[chrome raven]

I noticed something with /goal today, saw goal limited and ended the goal right away

What have they done to our beloved goal

[rocky fog]

I wouldnt be surprised if they did
I mean right now you are just going to dump that /goal usage somewhere even if you dont really have any good reason for it 🤣
just to use the usage you get/still have left near the end 😄
might promote wasteful use

[summer iris]

If anyone has my problem, just log out of your phone app and back in.

[uneven kayak]

I hope it takes context into account and has some semblance of understanding what is an important, substantial goal and what is just filler to use up the weekly usage.

So it might let a well structured goal go ahead, but it might say hold on a minute if you try doing something dumb

[cedar skiff]

I didnt even notice at first

[simple star]

@cedar skiff Better like this

[cedar skiff]

Aw hell yeah, codex all the way

[torpid trout]

Really guys?
I’m disappointed.

[simple star]

Imagine the nightmares

[torpid trout]

I disappointed myself
Bruh…

[lean lark]

I was wonderin....

Beda got his mojo back

I just noticed that the Windows ChatGPT app (just updated) has the Codex link that opens the browser to the Web Client. That's fine but I woulda thought that if the App is installed that it might prefer that, or maybe offer a choice between App and Web.
Sounds like an enhancement?

Today gonna work through how to get Codex App / (+Phone! 🤩 ) to use both Codex environments, the one in Windows and the one in WSL. Next trick ... there are multiple WSL environments/distros here ... 🙂

[boreal holly]

I feel like the correct thing to do would be making ChatGPT Atlas the one and only desktop app, move the features from the standalone into Atlas (e.g. connecting to IDE/terminal, the Alt+Space mini chat thing).

Atlas has profiles just like Google Chrome, so I have both my plus and pro account profiles logged in. It just seems like why have 2 separate apps when they can lean into Atlas

Atlas is amazing imho. They absolutely nailed it with that one

[rigid urchin]

I am having issues signing into the codex app on android.
I made sure the chatgpt app is updated on my phone.
When I press codex on the app and click "I'm signed in on desktop", it just says waiting for desktop... and nothing happens on the desktop app for it to connect.

does anyone have a fix for this?

I'm on windows 11

[lean lark]

I have the impression that Atlas has been a failure. Zero buzz, no channel here, no announcements. What's the point?

Viktor, scroll up or search for my mention of the word "update" or "remote".

[rigid urchin]

thank you!

[sonic adder]

I’m using codex in Mac. Neither did I get a QR code in Mac nor did I get any notification about Codex in iOS app. I see Codex though but when I click on it’s blank. I’m using Teams subscription. Is this rolled out to everyone?

[vital hill]

are you in the EU

[sonic adder]

Nope APAC

[rigid urchin]

ah only for mac right now. that's a shame

[vital hill]

that feature might be localized to the US for now

[lean lark]

No Victor - I said exactly how to make it work.

[sonic adder]

Strangely when I use my personal account the codex update appears (remote control)

But when I use my teams subscription it doesn’t show at the moment

As per the announcement it’s rolled out for all plans

[vital hill]

yeah idk

go to twitter and yell at the ALTman

[boreal holly]

That's a shame... I think it's their most useful consumer software outside of Codex. But I guess it is a whole entire web browser where some folks just want ChatGPT with minimal system resource usage, so I guess the split is inevitable

[lean lark]

FAQ / Pin : Connecting to Codex Windows from Android :
Update the Windows app and the Android app.
In Windows you need the latest codex-cli:
npm i -g @openai/codex@latest
Then open a terminal and run codex remote-control.
Now on the phone, connect to your desktop.
The the device will connect to Windows.

[vital hill]

i'm glad i'm on a mac, everything just works ™

[lean lark]

I'd have to look at it at some point. I have no idea what they have done that makes it special. I don't feel compelled by their Marketing or public buzz. I'm highly vested in FireFox and Chrome is always the first integration point for extensions, so I use them. I'm not inclined to add yet a third browser.
So those are the reasons for this consumer not adopting, right or wrong.

[lean lark]

It's not that the Windows interface doesn't "work". They didn't announce Windows compatibility yet. A way was announced by "someone?" to get it to work un-officially. So until the company makes it official, where we can/should expect it to "just work", we need to share notes. There's no fault. This is just how the world, um, works.

[boreal holly]

It's Google Chrome, but ChatGPT can pilot your web browser. More importantly if you have multiple accounts you can add them as profiles. I think it's really handy 🙂 maybe not for everyone. I had been a long-time Safari user - not Firefox or Chrome or any other browser - but Atlas struck a chord for me

[simple star]

Im still indignant, that Google sanitized my Codex QR code

[hushed storm]

doesnt seem to work for me

[simple star]

I knew it

Before I scanned it, I knew it

[lean lark]

This may or may not help:
In Codex App, open Settings > Configuration > Open config.toml
At the top, add:

remote_connections = true
remote_control = true

Save, exit.
Stop the codex remote-control process.
Exit and restart the Windows app.
Restart codex remote-control.
Check your phone.

[solid lake]

Codex remote on Linux was a blessing

[torpid trout]

I should include a qr to the website in future memes. its assistant told me today that it is sad and idling because no one challenges it

[lost drum]

1 day remaining with my pro sub oh man

[lone crescent]

hey guys, is the new codex on phone thing is also for windows and and android?

[lean lark]

OMG,, dude, just look up a few lines...

[lone crescent]

cuz my codex in pc is up to date but it wont show anything in the app to connect

[lean lark]

scroll up

[sacred minnow]

Huh I cant send it

Where's off topic o.o

[hushed storm]

remote_connections wasn’t a feature for me. I was using the cli to list them. Maybe it’s hidden from there but I am on latest

[cedar parcel]

How about a reset for all?

[torpid trout]

uh oh

[lone crescent]

got it but is it possible to connect without a terminal open? maybe just opening the codex app on my pc? cuz it only works with the terminal

[torpid trout]

do not trigger that please. its tickling

[cedar parcel]

Already did it

[sacred minnow]

Should give at least 12 hours before the reset

[torpid trout]

its making salad, to be honest
Not sure what that model is today but thats not 5.5

[cedar parcel]

This should move the odds in prediction markets

[lean lark]

At the moment this is just a work-around. Codex Android > Windows App hasn't officially been announced as being supported. It's just a terminal window - you can minimize it.

[sacred minnow]

Ight I gpted it

[lone crescent]

ok ty for helping good sir

[lean lark]

Any time - thanks for looking up!!!!! 🙂

[sacred minnow]

I love ai ❤️ 💙 💖

[bright swift]

time to turn fast mode on, reset incoming https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2055316274394300829

[simple star]

@bright swift Activating /fast !!!

[lean lark]

Reset wen!?!?

[rocky fog]

/fast
/goal improve forever
🤤

[boreal holly]

5.5 xhigh --yolo /fast /goal subagents

[vital hill]

the great reset in 12 mins

[lean lark]

Hey Robert, when peeps talk about comms performance, I believe it was you who mentioned using websockets with the app server?

[vital hill]

for me at least

[boreal holly]

Yes, websockets enables communication with OpenAI's backend to be measurably faster.

The other thing that hurts performance is long threads. I had one with like 14k turns, it would quite literally take up to a minute between each turn. Seems like the app server does something with the whole entire rollout log file each turn that affects performance. My solution was a "warm handoff" skill where an agent can spawn their successor and archive themselves.

[lean lark]

Good approach on the handoff. I'm thinking a lot of the delay is simply in parsing and transporting the huge JSONL session file on every turn.

I just read in https://developers.openai.com/codex/app-server that "WebSocket transport is experimental and unsupported."

[boreal holly]

Ohhhh that websocket setting! Yeah it's experimental. Been using it for a month now with absolutely zero issues

[lean lark]

Oh, right, I see the difference - brainfarted....

[boreal holly]

I think the primary benefit of app-server --listen websockets mode is that multiple clients can connect to and interact with the app-server. The problem with stdio is that it's really not easy to share the app-server with other processes

[lean lark]

Something else, the session files are bloated with two schema and it looks like many transactions have two objects, one for each form. So your 14000 turns gets 28000 transaction objects. 🙄

[boreal holly]

Yeah, and in theory all they need to send is the objects since the last compaction + new input. Would make sense to me to have an in-memory cursor to that position and not read + send the whole entire file

[lean lark]

I thouught that's the way it was going to work. Compaction puts all user prompts into an array, then follows with an encrypted blog of (I believe) relevant responses, and that becomes the new context window. But it's not truncated there to move forward, the session file still contains all of the data. I'm hoping they only send the compacted data-forward as we're saying.

[cyan wing]

did they make app-server sync better with the Desktop/TUI for the Codex Mobile app ?

[lean lark]

At some point I'll try to look at the wire to see how much they put on there but I got real stuffz ta do too...

[lean lark]

No idea if they even touched it.

It's in the codex-cli package, and I believe that Was updated in 0.130 with a fix for remote-connection. Dunno.

[boreal holly]

My guess is technical debt and backwards compatibility. They don't wanna change the existing shape. The ideal scenario would be inserting an event with the compiled AGENTS.md + all user messages up to that token limit + compaction summary, giving them a stable cursor position to track in the jsonl. I bet you they recompute the whole entire file so they can find the user messages within the token limit, and that's why it performance degrades

[lean lark]

Ask Tibo. 🙂

[boreal holly]

Oh yeah all the infrastructure they've been putting in app-server is directly relevant to the new features they're releasing

[cyan wing]

I had to fork Codex TUI to add my own TS SDK 😕
so i can programmatically access the TUI app

[lean lark]

Plugging directly into the TUI app? What's in there that's useful?

[boreal holly]

Oh man, there's an easier way 🙂

codex app-server --listen ws://127.0.0.1:4200

Then

codex --remote ws://127.0.0.1:4200

Now you have a TUI connected to an app server, and you can write a programmatic websocket client that targets the same ws://127.0.0.1:4200, you will see the stuff in the TUI immediately

Also I think if you do codex app-server generate-ts > codex-sdk.ts it'll give you all of the websocket event shapes

[cyan wing]

I have implementer / verifier loops ya

plan mode, fast mode, switch models/reasoning, etc.

[cyan wing]

and sync's with Codex Desktop App?!

[lean lark]

Andrew, I believe it would be easier to start the listener process, then attach and send() those directives to the app server ... rather than forking the TUI.

[sacred minnow]

All i need is real life scripts like dishers

[lean lark]

Yeah Robert, how would we get the desktop app to target that specific server?

[sacred minnow]

Then um I'm set

[boreal holly]

Now that is a different story. Idk how the desktop app does it. I think they bundle their own codex binary, and I don't know if it's listening on websockets or not. If you can get the desktop app-server to listen on websockets, or figure out if it does already and what port it's using, you can target that with your TUI and custom client

[cyan wing]

i was originally using pi
but it doesnt support fast and plan mode out the box

[cyan wing]

ok fine i'll take just TUI for now. giving your advise to Codex
thank you 🫡

[sacred minnow]

My first app targeted making a app server then a update with the codex server ended up making a conflict before but mostly having the app server you just need reading it into threads

Now remote qq imma wait for Android

[lean lark]

I think this is key to what I'm trying to do now, which is to get the Windows app to toggle between the Windows environment and a WSL environment. I think once it opens a WSL environment it would connect to a port there, probably a localhost loopback, so wsl "mydistro1" might open 4291 as the app-server port, to which the Codex app would connect.
I don't see any evidence of that, no connection options anywhere for this. This is the reason I was lookig at the docs ... cuz, you know, otherwise why would anyone read docs, rite?

If I were doing the codex-usage utility as a production app, I probably wouldn't source from session files. I'd probably open a connection to the app-server as we're discussing, and send in commands to get the desired data. This stuff is fascinating, but I really need to back out of Nerdsville.

[boreal holly]

I fired up the desktop app, and it looks like it does not listen on a port. On the other hand, my custom setup listens on 4200.

If OpenAI didn't add a websocket mode or anything, the only way I can think of is extract the .asar, have it execute the app-server like mkfifo /tmp/app-server-stdio && codex app-server ... | tee /tmp/app-server-stdio, repackage in a new electron app. That way the desktop version gets its stdio stuff, while there's a fifo file you can sorta read from as a poor man's websocket 🤡

[bright kiln]

when will windows phone linking for codex come

[lean lark]

As an aside Robert, why are all of those sessions files open, except maybe cuz you're running the reports? Otherwise that's just baggage.

We have another winner...

[lean lark]

Here in discord, search for this from: captainstarbuck faq

[bright kiln]

thanks

[boreal holly]

My thing "resumes" all threads immediately with config & base instruction overrides. On macOS/Linux there's no lock contention for opening a file. Many processes can open the same file and even write to it so no issue there 🙂

[lean lark]

kk - Aite, I need to code something. I've blown through my quota of curiosity tokens for the day. Catch ya on the other side.

[jolly lily]

Is the phone-to-PC feature available for Windows yet?

[lean lark]

Here in discord, search for this from: captainstarbuck faq

[jolly lily]

Thank you!

But do you find it useful so far?

[lean lark]

I personally haven't had time today. Makes me sad cuz I've been wanting this for a long time. But the internet is exploding with commentary about it, all good, if that's any guide.

[jolly lily]

But like, what actually is a good situation to use it?

Like if you're not on your PC, you're likely to be unable to test the product anyway

[lean lark]

So...

You do stuff on your PC, maybe in VSCode, and you have repo's cloned and open and folders on your PC with branches checked-out.

[solid lake]

Codex in bed

[lean lark]

And you're using Codex to do things in those folders....

Now you use your phone and talk to Codex in exactly the same way.

[solid lake]

Codex while just doing anything tbh

[lean lark]

You're not using the editor, it's making the changes in your PC

[solid lake]

I’m sitting infront of pc using codex on mobile 😭

For playwright stuff tho

[lean lark]

Yeah, and I've told my wife that I sometimes can't sleep at night cuz I think about code, but the PC is in the other room. But now I can tell Codex to do some stuff in a project. And now she hates me even more.

[solid lake]

Yeah and it’s a nice way to keep track of long running processes

[lean lark]

Right, because all of the time we used to spend doing things, we can now spend watching a bot do them. Thats Progress! 💪

[bitter fossil]

My wife called me a nerd last night, I was so excited due to Codex mobile lol

[vital hill]

nerd!

[brittle reef]

I have been using codex past one month. But the problem is it hit limit faster how can I improve it so codex works longer

[simple star]

@brittle reef What model do you use? What subscription do you have?

[tidal surge]

hey guys I am doing my first ai purchase and planning to get the entery tier of codex but I can not see the pricing plans for codex

[brittle reef]

Gpt5.3 at high intelligence

[prisma crow]

It's built into your ChatGPT subscription, assuming you're using the UI or VS code sort of plug-ins

If you're looking to have API access, at that point you're setting up an API key and paying based on token usage

[simple star]

@brittle reef Use 5.5 at medium, without /fast

[brittle reef]

I have business plan

[tidal surge]

I'm currently using antigravity + gemini cli, which i got for free in a promo offer!

[narrow perch]

holy

Codex now hits limit so fast compared to gpt 5.5 on 20 dollar plan

88% weekly limit used in one session

[tidal surge]

lol i am planning to get codex entry level but now i am thinking of cursor which one is worth it? my whole day will be fixing bugs planning features and reafctoring code across 2 repo bcakend and frontend

[exotic cave]

Try them both on the lowest plan and compare?

And i'll say it again, if you don't have the moneis than you should choose another hobby.

[solid lake]

Cursor will be analogous to ag, codex will be different so it’s more efficient to make .codex with ag before you start chat spot picks up skill etc

Dunno about cursor limits rn but gpt go might be low limits rn

Consider plus

Or Kimi

Cheap

And good till a certain complexity

[spiral viper]

Is Codex down or is it me: unexpected status 404 Not Found: Unknown error, url: https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/codex/responses, cf-ray: 9fc453798c5c20a2-IAD, request id: 3673ad46-f6bd-4507-959f-74f705e9514a, auth error: 404

[royal garnet]

yeah im getting that

[spiral viper]

Well here we are then.. misery loves company. How's your day going?

[royal garnet]

sensational

[spiral viper]

Nice! Mine is almost over and its Friday! I can't wait to BBQ!

[royal garnet]

i won $300 in poker last night

[spiral viper]

sweet... IRL or online?

[royal garnet]

irl, rinsed my friends

online is too tough

[spiral viper]

So are "smart glasses" illegal in vegas?

[royal garnet]

cant see how they wouldn't be

[spiral viper]

I think they are working on it!

[wraith temple]

is it only me or the codex app doesn't allow you to change permissions? i'm on windows

i click on permissions and nothing happens

[runic pelican]

Not work for Windows?

[hybrid hare]

why do updates only keep releasing on mac? Chrome and moble only mac we hate mac

give us windows

[runic pelican]

😭😭

[torpid trout]

Brutal
Objective: implement milestones/milestone-18-runtime-report-contracts-context-hygiene.md end to end and stop only once you implemented and then reviewed your implementation at least three times.
But necessary, gpt slacking.

[royal garnet]

do yall use the codex app or the cli

[hybrid hare]

I pay 200 USD/month just like everybody else I expect same features

[torpid trout]

cli but soon my own orchestrator, however still buggy af

[royal garnet]

what features do you add with your orchestrator

[torpid trout]

too many, then I stripped it down again

[royal garnet]

such as

[boreal holly]

I have a "requirements" system for this that works flawlessly

[torpid trout]

But basically it allows you to create workspaces > projects > repos, then either manually or via git intake "work items" and it lets you do a bunch of stuff with that such as "start" or "stop" or "groom" or "steer" and so on.

Something like that

[royal garnet]

I use cli

[bitter fossil]

My thoughts are due to Windows is such a bad development experience, I'd say it's a pain to even develop the features for windows, while MacOS has a much better development cycle

[hybrid hare]

Not my problem though is it? If Anthropic can do it OpenAi can do it too.

[torpid trout]

Yeah, soon when my orch is ready, this won't be an issue anymore either.
It has the full foolish loop of verifying each and everything

[royal garnet]

bro cracked the mainframe

[bitter fossil]

For sure, but also could be due to analytics? Could be 80% MacOS users, not sure, but understand the frustration

[hybrid hare]

80% mac user cuz windows experience is awful wsl automation has never worked correctly and features arrive with weeks/months of delay.

Only hipsters use MAC, real devs use Linux, only reason I'm on windows is beacuse app wasn't on linux when I started using it

[bitter fossil]

From my experience of developing on a windows machine over 7 years ago, it's terrible, so I could see it taking extra time + development for windows features

If MacOS allowed for more gaming, I'd sell my gaming computer in a heartbeat, due to windows has sucked for years

[torpid trout]

Mac is the golden grail for agentic llm for two reasons:

• it is out of the box very safe
• if you run local LLM it is out of the box extremely performant with the whole metal suite that comes with moderns mac specially for traininig very very useful

Hipsters may use mac, but not only hipsters use them, people who have the cash to buy a machine to get s**** done do too

And, not everyone has a "real beard".
That's a classic noob argument anyway: a good sailor does not need a good boat to win a race, beware.
I might argue that if you want to use an OS you won't use linux, because if you do, you will be fixing the OS rather than using it

[hybrid hare]

Developing ON windows is not the same as developping FOR windows and it's less awful than 7y ago thanks to WSL, I just emulate Linux & code on it

[bitter fossil]

I'd say to develop for windows, they are most likely developing on it for testing purposes

[hybrid hare]

MAC out of the box very safe is old story, not anymore.

[torpid trout]

wrong. this is not about "hacker"

[bitter fossil]

In my experience, I've never had a single virus on MacOS, multiple on Windows

[hybrid hare]

ok fanboy 😂

[torpid trout]

Its about llm destroying your entire system and such

call fanboy whomever you will lol, wrong person to try to provoke some anger, all you will get out is a meme

[hybrid hare]

sandbox 🤷

[torpid trout]

You know there is an alternative for everything, and then there is an ideal fit for everything, and as well a plethora of colorful "other options", right?

[hybrid hare]

Viruses exist for MAC only reason they didn't before is low usage, same for Linux

[narrow perch]

Should i use this or opus

[boreal holly]

I been fighting with this one agent about putting real navigation into the app for like 3 days straight, and it would double down and draw highly elaborate and fake maps, and fake it even harder each pass. Once I got the requirements thing dialed in, that review agent is so thorough I finally have real GPS navigation 😭 building an orchestration layer is the way!

[torpid trout]

If you like your OS so much stay on it and stop complaining lol

[torpid trout]

Gotta love when it fakes it lol

[hybrid hare]

I dont want to need to buy expensive crap Apple oS just to work with an app because openAI cba to properly dev their tools to work for other systems unlike their competitors

[silver dew]

Mac is not expensive crap
Mac is good
Mac just works

[torpid trout]

What do you pass it a MD file of requirements to a standalone thread that reviews based on that?
Or more elaborate?

I had fiddled around with JSON payloads instead of plain text to leave it less room to wiggle but hadn't really huge success with it and it felt more like polluting the context with lots of {} lol

[hybrid hare]

H I P S T E R

[royal garnet]

linux is probably top

[bitter fossil]

Like I said understand the frustrations, but Discord isn't going to get it fixed, submit a support ticket

And at this point, as a former Claude Code power user, I would not call Claude much competition anymore sadly

Gaslighting, bad decisions, bad models, and overall bad treatment of customers has caused a massive downfall

[torpid trout]

then leave it lol?
What do you want people to tell you, that you shall have what you want?
Well, have what you want!
That's an OS that is not supported, so that's what you wanted 🙂
No offense

[hybrid hare]

When you pay golden it's better but it's like MAC: way too expensive for what it is

[bitter fossil]

Try out xAI, at the low price of $300 a month, might work on windows

[hybrid hare]

IDC about what you think or say tbh I just want the app to work on windows. You can keep experssing fanboyness for Apple ecosystem made for boomers all night long for all I care.

[royal garnet]

you guys got nothing better to do

[torpid trout]

We got it, you cant πay and want to πplay.
Thats a freeloader, since you like so much calling people names 😉

[bitter fossil]

With AI, no lol

[hybrid hare]

I can pay I just have too many working brain cells to become an apple user

[boreal holly]

The Requirements are JSON like this:

{
  "id": "technician-native-mapbox-navigation-lab-proof",
  "title": "Technician Native Mapbox Navigation Lab Proof",
  "active": true,
  "enforceOnTurns": true,
  "requirements": [
    {
      "key": "nativeLabFirst",
      "statement": "First prove native Mapbox navigation in a lightweight iOS-only design_lab_native/native navigation lab before wiring into the production technician page. Do not require the Ezra API stack, auth, Rinf/Rust runtime, or full app shell for the first proof.",
      "severity": "blocker",
      "verificationMethod": "manualEvidence"
    },
    {
      "key": "realNavigationSdkRequired",
      "statement": "The navigation surface must use the real native Mapbox Navigation SDK or an SDK-backed native platform view/plugin. It must not be a Flutter-drawn fake map, CustomPaint route, static image, scroll-view imitation, or plausible mock map.",
      "severity": "blocker",
      "verificationMethod": "diffReview"
    },
    {
      "key": "mockOnlyEzraData",
      "statement": "Mock only Ezra-side job/customer/workflow/controllers in the lab. The map, route line, camera, puck/location indicator, maneuver guidance, and trip progress must come from the real Mapbox navigation runtime.",
      "severity": "blocker",
      "verificationMethod": "diffReview"
    }
  ]
}

I have a form that I fill out, but the orchestrator can set a payload like this on one of the agents and it forces them into structured output mode, so to finish their turn they have to respond with claims for satisfying each and every requirement, which gets sent to a very angry and adversarial review agent.

[bitter fossil]

BTW, off topic of windows, etc.

Do any of you use Warp Terminal (Logged out version)?

[royal garnet]

windows terminal is what i use, its like the only good thing about windows

[torpid trout]

Suspected as much...
I will try it again with the verification workflows I guess
Did not like it at all for "normal convos" between agents
Too deterministic, kind of chokes the llm on what its good at

BTW, I am just going to leave this here basically like a token of gratitude

[hybrid hare]

Fedora is my os of choice btw, I just hate Apple and everything it stands for 🙂

[torpid trout]

Do you need a meme specifically with fedora to digest the subliminal messages?

[bitter fossil]

I hate Apple as the company, but you can't beat their ecosystem connectivity

[boreal holly]

About your token wastefulness concern, the schema uses "anyOf", so mid-turn commentary is a simple string property, but the end of turn is the full structured payload. And rather than being an array of requirements, it's a strongly typed keyed object, so they cannot just omit one of the requirements 🙂

[bitter fossil]

Phone/iPad/Computer all synced, windows could never

[silver dew]

Hear me out:
mac experience is roughly: You pull your mac screen open, press for Touch ID and its unlocked.

On windows: you boot up, wait 30 seconds on SSD, enter password, try to open an image editing software and get redirected to a 199$/month paywall roflmao

[hybrid hare]

You can't have any arguments against the Linux, 90% of the net runs on it bruh

[bitter fossil]

Then BSOD

[hybrid hare]

Still beats entering a closed ecosystem made for boomers

[solid lake]

Mac 🤝 Linux

[hybrid hare]

I think Linus would have the same feelings towards MAC as he has towards Nvidia

[silver dew]

You know Windows is a closed ecosystem made for boomers right

[solid lake]

Linus has had a good relationship with nvidia as of lately

[hybrid hare]

I can pretty much do whatever I want on a Linux or Windows. Same can't be said for Mac

[silver dew]

You can use Windows on mac

[bitter fossil]

Can't make spaghetti

[torpid trout]

but you cannot run what you would like to, right, hence the discussion here ongoing now since a long while?

[hybrid hare]

given enough RAM and an Arduino board I think it could

[bitter fossil]

Good point lol

[boreal holly]

Linus Torvalds used to use a macbook air to develop the Linux Kernel 🤡 now his main machine is a ThreadRipper, and the macbook is for arm64 built testing

[bitter fossil]

Could probably cook some bacon on my GPU lol, it runs hot

[hybrid hare]

well cuz OpenAI is cutting corners & not doing a correct job, hence the discussion.

[torpid trout]

right.

[bitter fossil]

you know who cuts corners? Opus models lol

[torpid trout]

The correct job is support the OS that can do everything 🤣

[hybrid hare]

Wish I could use claude app with codex

[bitter fossil]

You can

[solid lake]

Yeah

[bitter fossil]

OpenAI created a plugin for Claude Code, so you could use Claude Code, with the Codex plugin and use SSH

[silver dew]

OpenAI put mac first. This tells you something about the friction of developing for the competition

[hybrid hare]

Tells me OpenAI devs prolly Apple fanboys too 😉

[bitter fossil]

Hey, I've always hated Apple, but their products are superior most of the time, especially for development

Their products are overpriced, but worth the money for me

[silver dew]

They’re money fanboys if they could they’d let Sam make money off windows users too

But Microsoft is a garbage partner

[hybrid hare]

Only use case I would agree mac is superior is video editting, for dev I don't see how it's better than a linux

[silver dew]

Video editing on mac is super overrated and limited

Actually 🤓

[bitter fossil]

Well, I do more than development, so Linux is still very limited

[hybrid hare]

Compared to windows its not and linux ==> GL depending on your hardware

[bitter fossil]

What's everyone's task bar look like?

[bitter fossil]

This right here -- exactly what Antrhopic screwed up on, ignored users for months, then said it wasn't their issue, then said it was

[bitter fossil]

Oh man, you need Warp terminal lol

[torpid trout]

nice, sublimetext! 😄

[boreal holly]

Windows desparately needs tmux

[rocky fog]

you sir made my day 😂

[bitter fossil]

Warp Terminal is 1 program, with unlimited tabs (directories/projects), and each window can have as many terminals you want

And it's customized: I open a tab, it opens 3 terminal windows:

2 side by side
1 at the bottom that auto opens codex

[silver dew]

Ghostty is macOS only
he doesn't have Ghostty!!

[hybrid hare]

not that I particularly like windows terminal but at least it tabulates

[bitter fossil]

I use it to read JSON lol

[torpid trout]

I used it for years, but due to lack of some feature maintenance on language packs I went to vscode... that just works

But I still miss it, really nice ide

[bitter fossil]

https://www.warp.dev/terminal

[hybrid hare]

When I need to I just use terminal in vscode or on my fedora, seldom use powershell except for ssh connections to some vps where I run contained experiments

[bitter fossil]

Warp has a file viewer / editor and file tree

[hybrid hare]

I just want to be able to launch commands from my mobile Codex app while I'm forced to be with my wife and kids is that too much to ask? 😭😭

The time wasted socializing 😪

[bitter fossil]

Force them to be at your computer

Problem solved

[boreal holly]

Yes, I also like how the commands in powershell semantically make sense. Like if I wanna print the contents of a file in bash I'd write

cat $HOME/some-file.txt

What the heck is cat? What does an animal have to do with printing a file? Powershell is much nicer

Get-Content -Path "$env:USERPROFILE\some-file.txt" `
  | Out-String `
  | Write-Output `
  | ForEach-Object { $_.TrimEnd() } `
  | Tee-Object -Variable fileContents `
  | Select-Object -ExpandProperty Length `
  | Out-Null; $fileContents

So much easier to read and understand

[torpid trout]

because it (cat) does more than just print
But you know that, you are a bearded man 😄

[silver dew]

Mac is more about
You will do it zis way
you will not ask questions
you will consume ze slop

its not going to make sense but we love it

[torpid trout]

Just that cat is not something apple wants to shove down your throat

it actually shows how you can switch from a mac to a linux driven machine effortlessly, because everythign is basically the same, just changes position on screen, if even.
Might there be a reason so many linix based distros go full on the "looks like mac"?

[rocky fog]

just remote to your pc then 😄

[bitter fossil]

I still have 10X Codex until next month -- offering 10% of my weekly usage for $150, can create any project you require

.... Just kidding, but 10X Codex is a cheat code, unlimited usage lol

[silver dew]

right I forgot about Unix

it's too late rn

cat

unix

gotta make sense

right

Mac

distro

what?

gn guys

[uneven kayak]

Pretty much. If you're only running a single agent at a time, you basically have to lose sleep to use it all lol

Codex might be a bit slow but it's a good value

[solemn sedge]

openai launched codex mobile on iOS and android yesterday

I supposed I haven’t got it yet

[uneven kayak]

Push notifications are really nice to have

[torpid trout]

||that is breaking news, put it in a spoiler please||

[simple star]

Linux will be the last OS in the world, to get Codex app

Maybe Windows 3.11 will get it, before Linux

[solemn sedge]

OpenAI and the ceo annouced it actually if you are not kidding

But it’s a funny joke

Lol

[torpid trout]

||I am kidding.||

[simple star]

@codex is he really kidding?

[torpid trout]

I am challenging codex with a new meme based off https://tenor.com/view/shit-jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-gif-15006020

But this is a hard nut, it keeps complaining it is breaking its internal understanding of the world somehow
Like the "they told me I cannot do that"
Gotta tweak my wording I guess

[solemn sedge]

lol

[torpid trout]

OH, praise be

[boreal holly]

Lol that is a pile of propaganda

[torpid trout]

Not as long as I do not add the url right?

[hybrid hare]

You can have codex on linux though

[boreal holly]

The only thing really not propaganda is "Pro Stand $999" lol idk what they were thinking 😂

[simple star]

@hybrid hare Not what I said

[simple star]

I still remember that moment... a crowd full of fanboys, and yet, even them couldnt believe it

[solemn sedge]

I just shared a thing to lol community that I made a script for little advantage

And the monitor expelled me…

I didn’t even share how did I make it
I make it with codex Actually

[simple star]

Im building this, next week. Im going to order an ESP32

[solemn sedge]

Esp32

I used it to hack the WiFi around my room

Lol

[hybrid hare]

1,5M Antena, I owned my block 😂

[solemn sedge]

Though it’s not moral

[solemn sedge]

And I was banned indefinitely from that community

Too strict…

And it’s not some cheating thing I suppose

I just learn some tiny information for myself with the script

It doesn’t influence the game balance actually I just know which side I’m on ahead of the game on

😭

[uneven kayak]

Banned for cheating you say? Lol jk

[uneven kayak]

Wow that's beautiful

Totally doable too, great idea

[solemn sedge]

Well

Any kind

I was not discussing about the script itself then

They only ban any ways to spread the script but not the activities of cheating

There are lots of softwares outside which enable many to do more than my script can do

[simple star]

If it works well... I might even considering selling 🙂

[solemn sedge]

No justice in here I suppose

Lol

Jk too

[grave reef]

Codex… bring me the smoking gun

[solemn sedge]

Evidence on what

[karmic gulch]

Anyone tried out OpenDesign? Pretty good with codex/kimi. Im done with claude design now lol

[boreal holly]

I like VSCode again

[solemn sedge]

I had been using vs code just for codex on it until the codex for windows released

[grave reef]

I use stitch/claude desin

[uneven kayak]

Well I might have spoke too soon, the game still need more work first.

[quick geode]

so nice when it follows the guidance

[lean lark]

"Avoid making unrelated changes ... unless that's exactly what I want."

[uneven kayak]

"Do as I want, not as I say."

[lean lark]

"and don't make any mistakes"

[uneven kayak]

Ah mistakes. How naive I was to think Codex was doing everything perfectly. I'm debugging some svelte reactivity problems sigh

[karmic gulch]

Open Design is open, chose whoever provide you want

Try it

[uneven kayak]

I asked for this level of complexity though, I knew what I was getting into when I started making an optimistic UI design

I just want a playable game though 😭 😂

[uneven kayak]

I am not refactoring into C# for a Unity migration, ain't happening lol

I've dug my Svelte shaped hole and now I'm gonna lay in it

I did start using PixiJS though, it's everything I need and nothing I don't.

So now the underlying framework and state management is handled by Svelte but PixiJS adds a WebGL layer for UX

[lean lark]

At one time I was somewhat of a C# expert. But I never really got into Unity even though I really wanted to write cross-platform games with it. Maybe some day. More recently though I have a ChatGPT Project open where we discuss the nuances of HTML games on the Canvas. I dunno, seems like a decent platform. Can't use Java in browser anymore...

To ensure that's on-topic - I do plan to shift from ChatGPT to Codex now that I can get it to actually do coding and save it into a growing project.

[uneven kayak]

I'd say my familiarity with C# is pretty basic, no pun intended

[lean lark]

That's VBASIC.Net to you...

[uneven kayak]

I know the structure and syntax about as well as JS, I wrote a few mods for games made with Unity so I had to get kind of familiar with it

But to code at the level of my project without an agent would be unrealistic

So I'm definitely hitting above my weight class lol

[lean lark]

Hey, so it's more of a partner or a hired contractor than a tool. That's cool.

Games are a work of passion, labor of love, and fun as hell. Use what ya gotta use.

[uneven kayak]

Well it's like a junior dev who knows a lot of technical stuff but lacks common sense, so in some ways, it's a terrible employee and I have to be a terrible boss lol

I learn a lot from the things it attempts and the changes along the way, it's not like it's just "go do this for me" and I never think about it again

With Opus 4.7, I have a bit more freedom. It catches stuff and thinks ahead. But with GPT 5.5, I have to be extremely specific and detailed

So that extreme specificity by its very nature necessitates an understanding of what it is that I'm actually doing

[lean lark]

Funny you should say that now because at the moment I'm dedicated to rewriting AGENTS.md to be ultra-specific about details that it frequently does that irritate me. That said: (1) too many instructions are just bad. (2) As soon as I get this right I'm going to migrate to Skills.

[uneven kayak]

Yeah it's best not to clutter the AGENTS.md, I have separate docs for all sorts of stuff and directives to review relevant documentation before touching related files

Plus a bunch of custom skills for the project. When I encounter a situation that warrants it, I have the agent write a skill right then

[lean lark]

Oh speaking of AGENTS and Skills. The sessions JSONL files have all of the Developer instructions that make Codex what it is. Following that preface it loads our system-level AGENTS and then our project-level AGENTS. It also loads Skill headers. Those files provide great insight for anyone who wants to know why Codex does stuff. It's all in there.

[uneven kayak]

Yeah that is a great read, I reviewed that a couple weeks ago. It's helpful to understand what the agent actually expects

[lean lark]

Just rember that AGENTS and Skills (and related docs in the folders) are Directives. Other files referred to by them are guidelines that the assistant doesn't need to follow. The AGENTS directives need to emphasize that other specific docs are authoritative. We really do need to baby these tools, and the more we have to tell them the dumber they get. I look forward to this tech evolving in this area.

[uneven kayak]

That's good imo, best not to clutter up the agent with too many directives or it'll start skipping things

Which is why it's important to trim the AGENTS.md

I only have the most important stuff in there, followed by references to informational documents and stuff that only applies under specific circumstances

Plus the "When in doubt" section of course

[lean lark]

And as I've done in the AGENTS files but not in Skills yet, you've essentially already broken it up into Skills, so a migration to Skills is a great fit.

[cedar skiff]

you can also add your own input to the system prompt using developer_instructions in config.toml. This is pretty powerful. Instructions in there get weighted in a much heavier way.

[lean lark]

I didn't know that - Thanks dude!

I don't care what Andrew says about you - you're OK!

[grave reef]

Should I try it

[lean lark]

For anyone else running Windows and WSL, with VSCode and the Codex Extension : When you create a new vscode-workspace for a project that's all in WSL, do you save the workspace file in Windows or WSL, and why?

[cedar skiff]

skills are really powerful, the fact that codex actually respects skills and is able to follow their instructions consistently is what makes it win over claude. When i moved from 4.6 to 5.3 i had to have heavy language at the top of CLAUDE.md to make it follow skills on the first turn, then to get it to follow on any other turn i had to use orchestration and explicitly tell it when to read and use them because it's ability to proactively use them is terrible. On the other hand codex just doesnt forget - assuming you have a short concise and well written description.
Skills make such a huge difference in the ability of agents that one thing alone makes the difference between claude and codex huge. If you never learned to use skills you would never know the difference though.

[lean lark]

Your experience with Claude is similar to mine with the GPT 4 series - or as Sam Altman said : "GPT 4 is the worst model you'll ever have to use."
I gave up on a project that required intense agent instructions with v4. Planning to resurrect that now that 5.5 is (IMO) so reliable.

We're all benefiting from this industry's willingness to embrace competitor standards like MCP and Skills, and hopefully DESIGN.md.

[cedar skiff]

gpt 4 was terrible, claude was way in front back then