codex-discussions

[ivory zodiac]

CODEX=HOME

[warm ruin]

ill porlly vibecode a cli with rust orsomethin for it

[ivory zodiac]

🏘️

i'm trolling obviously

just in case that wasn't clear lol

[warm ruin]

codex is love codex is life

[boreal holly]

Dear lord baby codex, we thank you for this meal, etc.

[cyan wing]

Open source please? 🫡

[ivory zodiac]

our daddy who art in the cloud

[ivory cairn]

ty guys

[ivory zodiac]

no dont listen to me lol

i'm making stupid jokes

[ivory cairn]

ikik i was being sarcastic lol

[boreal holly]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[ivory cairn]

but u got any other tricks for codex, i kinda been using it vanilla

[ivory zodiac]

lots of tricks but too much to share in a message

i recommend following me and reading my articles

https://x.com/LLMJunky

[warm ruin]

of course everything is open source ill do it when i have time

[frosty zealot]

We got another reset within the last hour or so?

We got another reset within the last hour or so and it doesnt have the 2 week caption anymore woo

[ivory zodiac]

no

not that i can tell

wait

maybe

[ivory cairn]

u open to dm for 5mins?

[high girder]

yes, there was one since you've been gone

[ivory zodiac]

you're welcome to dm but i am a tad busy rn, but yeah shoot it i'll try to get back to you soon

[frosty zealot]

ITs like I can feel it in the air

I used claude and it felt like i blacked out and woke up in my own vomit

[hearty prawn]

my limit got reset again?

yea

got reset

[cyan wing]

There’s been two this morning
Are you reporting another one?

[hearty prawn]

two this morning?

there mustve been one now

again

now im facing a bug where my guy is compacting context forever

anyone else

facing this last few hours its so annoying sometimes he does it legit forever stuck

[radiant pecan]

I experienced extremely bad model performance yesterday and am afraid to let codex touch my codebase, anyone else noticed this?

[kind jay]

What settings? Also don’t let it work on anything but a new branch

[void pelican]

No sir. What was the issue you were having anymore context?

[radiant pecan]

5.4 high, full access, worked for over 2 hours and couldnt fix a bug opus fixed in a single prompt and 2 minutes. I also noticed that output tokens were generated extremely slow. Other than that I dont have speciall context.

Which I find weird because it usually outperforms opus on backend tasks very easily

[orchid plume]

strange, not here. Are you using the 1M context instead of default context limit? Did you lay out a plan first?

[kind jay]

Partly due to outage issues, maybe prompting issues also. However good that Opus fixed it

[high girder]

5.4 with context is amazing. If you're having issues with it, you might just need to scope the job better for it. Be explicit, be detailed.

[wide schooner]

Why did they reset again 😭

[boreal holly]

fix bug and make zero mistakes and do not stop til fixed

[kind jay]

That’s all I ask for

[wide schooner]

Atp claude users will start coming and we will lose gpu capacity

😔

[radiant pecan]

I think some oai guy tweeted about some outages and that the compute was like on 100%

Maybe because of that

[wide schooner]

5.5.1 is much better actually

[kind jay]

Yes, exactly because of this, that’s why it took so long
However, we get limit resets so win lose situation

[radiant pecan]

Its really nice that they reset limits every day or two because of bugs, but I would need way less time if the model was actually faster

[deft sable]

some oai guy = tibo
https://x.com/thsottiaux part of codex team aka chief reset officer lol

[wicked briar]

lol

[kind jay]

GPT 6 is by far exceeding my expectations
Anybody else got it in their codex app yet?

[radiant pecan]

I dont know the names let me be 😭😭😭

[wide schooner]

5.5.1 lightning xspark xfast is much better

[kind jay]

True, depends if you’re planning or fixing bugs though I think

[wide schooner]

Have you watched the clip? 😔

[wicked briar]

will it help me center the div

[wide schooner]

Yeah around 58 million tokens shall be enough

[kind jay]

No

[wide schooner]

@kind jay this one

[deft sable]

getting this now ...

[wicked briar]

perfect

[kind jay]

Yeah, I haven’t watched it

[wide schooner]

Then do 😭

[kind jay]

Can’t

[wide schooner]

What why

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[kind jay]

Not allowed

[wide schooner]

Wym

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jjjj-gif-14150446153159450890

[wide schooner]

Its 30 sec long and no sound 💀

[kind jay]

It’s upside down or something

[wide schooner]

Whaaaat

No its not?

[kind jay]

It is?

[wide schooner]

Screenshot?

[kind jay]

Can’t

[wide schooner]

😭

[kind jay]

Screenshot makes it upside down

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-15936507315900549043

[pastel fog]

u from poland?

[high girder]

more like Proland

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/white-cat-cat-near-blinks-gif-27419723

[frosty zealot]

Whats hard to read about this

Looks normal to me

[kind jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cute-look-down-puppy-gif-16370500

[frosty zealot]

In your reference frame the screenshot is upside down, but once the observer collapses the wavefunction it’s clearly right-side up

[kind jay]

Bro shut up

[frosty zealot]

?????

[wide schooner]

Just move to Australia

@lost tulipk is this true

[frosty zealot]

That reply has the same energy as ignoring wavefunction collapse

[kind jay]

Yeah yeah

[frosty zealot]

:>

[kind jay]

I’m not falling for your rage bait

[frosty zealot]

You already did. The bait existed in a superposition until you observed it

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-los-angeles-lakers-lakers-dunk-gif-16216227

[kind jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[high girder]

What in the quantum tarnation

[frosty zealot]

Please, let your heart out

[kind jay]

DMs

[frosty zealot]

Interesting, noted.

[high girder]

I'm just being nosy, but was it profane?

[kind jay]

Just off topic, don’t worry

[frosty zealot]

I was disgusted

[kind jay]

I’m sure you were

[high girder]

I'm not worried. I was just hoping something fun was happening lol

[tall zodiac]

LOOOOOOOOOL

[tall zodiac]

I wanna know too now

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/capa-pandu-stucapa-studiocapa-atg-gif-13021638565328081096

Gonna need a safe word

[tall zodiac]

Consentual

[kind jay]

Rule 2. smh

[frosty zealot]

nerd

[kind jay]

Rule 1.smh my head

[kind jay]

Rule 3. smh

[tall zodiac]

I’m currently reading brain rot

What are these rules

[kind jay]

Rule 0. smh

[near geyser]

how to fix this!! on sora

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/red-card-referee-red-sent-off-dismissed-gif-21029120

Rule 12

[tall zodiac]

😭😭

[kind jay]

🙄

[frosty zealot]

Call me crazy I think this is the codex channel

[kind jay]

Rule 3. smh

[near geyser]

womp womp

[tall zodiac]

Rule 13. Smh

[kind jay]

This is not tuff lil bro

[near geyser]

womp womp

[frosty zealot]

Ya'll got me literally bouncing back and forth between the server and the rules here

I am now more informed on the server rules than I have ever been

[kind jay]

r/masterhacker btw

[kind jay]

Caught me off guard with rule 13.

[tall zodiac]

How many rules we got total

[frosty zealot]

For a moment I felt like a Discord moderator... i felt... dangerous... desirable...

[kind jay]

13

[frosty zealot]

Does the index start at 0?

[tall zodiac]

Rule 14. Yerrrr

[boreal holly]

zero indexed

[frosty zealot]

Hey don't delete that

Put it back

I already observed it

[potent mason]

Any resets in the last day?

[simple star]

just today

[potent mason]

Damn nice

They’re pretty much resetting every day

[simple star]

turn your /fast on

And dont forget to thank Tibo online

[potent mason]

I do have it but I’m on a trip right now

Unfortunately won’t get much usage this week

But my employees will surely enjoy it

[simple star]

You might get rich if you sell your quota 😄

[main nimbus]

They did not reset the weekly for business tiers I guess.

[frosty zealot]

Any way to manage sub agents in the app? In the cli you can /agents

[kind jay]

Really? I got my reset on my team subscription

[kind jay]

There’s a terminal in the app

[frosty zealot]

You made me close my eyes for a moment

[kind jay]

Successful rage bait?

[frosty zealot]

Yeah it was a good one

[kind jay]

Yayy yippee

[turbid axle]

my codex works in a supermarket I think

[wide schooner]

lol so accurate

[cyan wing]

Does anyone have a prompt / skill to make Codex not add random sh$% to UI ?!
it adds console log output under website headers 😆

[simple star]

Strange, that doesnt happen to me...

Could it be because of your AGENTS.md?

[exotic cave]

In WSL codex version 0.114.0 caps lock doesn't work anymore, anyone else having this issue?

[hushed storm]

dont use 5.4 😭

[torpid trout]

GPT 5.4 calling my brilliant idea "a toy example" :putuglyemojiforwhichigotmuted2minuteshere:

A toy calling my idea a toy example. We sure have future together.

[worn harness]

well to play the devil's advocate I assume ShowHN is also full of "my ai said this is a brilliaint idea"

[wide schooner]

using codex in scratch 💀

[torpid trout]

what is showhn

[frosty zealot]

Try Itch

[wide schooner]

thats too good, the whole point is scratch is awful

[worn harness]

hackernews, showcase for new projects, mostly 95% ai projects

[wide schooner]

so putting an unreal engine on scratch is idiotic, and i love it

i was trying geometry dash first but i thought thats too much effort tbh

[elfin summit]

what's your idea?👀

[torpid trout]

a toy, obviously

[high girder]

Now that we have AI, you could make those toys from Small Soldiers or something. make the toy.

[torpid trout]

Nah, was discussing with it what was discussed above with Robert, to have turn-skills, etc
It said I should use Agents SDK for that and other things, because relying on prompts is brittle. No s*** malloney!
Went to look at what it proposed... guess what I was looking at. Prompts that ask the model to please return to MCP, etc etc
looooool

And it called out the idea as a "toy example" vs his brilliant idea to use a freaking SDK ... which is based on prompts.

"it's safer, less brittle"
yeah... up and until the point where you actually can have a real orchestrator that is true in the SDK but otherwise... it still uses prompts to delegate tasks, use functions, and so on lol

[frosty zealot]

I'm happy for you or I'm sorry that happened

[torpid trout]

Not interested in you 2 guy's repetitive weirdo feedback really

I mean you and that other one who is passive-agressively lurking around here.

Thanks!

[frosty zealot]

Ok

Lordy

@boreal holly ❯ git diff --shortstat main...HEAD
532 files changed, 73561 insertions(+), 10231 deletions(-)

Pray for me

ITs all gonna work when i start it and there wont be one issue

Still not done though might need another reset

[boreal holly]

Review bot gonna have a fun time on that PR 😎 unless of course you're operating on main (true --yolo mode for gentlemen)

[tacit abyss]

man i wish i worked at the datacenters, i've never seen an nvidia card actually melt before

GPT 5.4 doing the full on terminator thumbs up into the molten fire

[frosty zealot]

Lol nah im in a worktree, im gonna have to create an extensive E2E agent suite and code reviewer before I even dream of opening the PR, and then im gonna have to automate the PR review cause aint no way im sitting there typing @codex 400,000 times in a row.

[boreal holly]

Bro how many commits

[frosty zealot]

12 currently

sorry

wrong command

182

after i typed it im like no way thats right

[boreal holly]

OK, awesome you can parallelize the review process by having 182 agents review each individual SHA

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-explode-gif-17383346

OAI servers

[boreal holly]

there are times when people complain about reconnecting and I wonder if I am the culprit 👀 lol

[frosty zealot]

lmao

I wanna check out that /crawl endpoint that CloudFlare released, anybody check it yet?

https://developers.cloudflare.com/changelog/post/2026-03-10-br-crawl-endpoint/

[frosty zealot]

Still need to go through and make sure PSQL is as idomatic as possible and no corners got cut migrating from Firestore, ensure all RBAC is accurate etc. etc. hopefully this is short term pain for long term gain

[boreal holly]

I highly recommend having them write the migrations as conditionals. IF table exists and what not. And having the migrations be bare bones, with migrations adding columns later.

If they do one big migration with a bunch of incorrect columns it's pretty hard to undo later

[frosty zealot]

Its pretty much fully migrated already, I had it use Firebase MCP to build the exact same schema over in the PSQL DB, it looks pretty accurate looking at the supabase overview page thing, and the data seems to be in the right spot

just a couple things look a little off, some jsonb in weird spots im wondering if its idiomatic or if it tried to cut corners

Firebase MCP then Supabase MCP & psql cli to rebuild it

[boreal holly]

JSONb is really handy. PostgreSQL doesn't incur a huge performance cost and it's really good for event logs

[frosty zealot]

Ok nice

Not sure if you've used Supabase before but thats what the minimap is looking like

[frosty zealot]

shakes fist angrily

Leaked my IP please dont hack me

[simple star]

thats not your internet IP

[boreal holly]

Hey that's my IP!

[simple star]

lol

[frosty zealot]

thatsthejoke.jpg

:>

[simple star]

🤦

[frosty zealot]

Mine now buster!

[simple star]

First GPUs, then HDDs... now people are fighting for IPs

[frosty zealot]

Looks like this internet isnt big enough for the 2^(32-1)

[simple star]

I better start stocking up on keyboards

[frosty zealot]

I had to enable IPv6 last night on my gateway because supabase makes you pay for an ipv4 ip fun fact, but it was easy enough, I used ipv6 test and it said I was ready for the switch over date, but something about my MTU, need to look into that cause i dont remember changing my MTU ever

[boreal holly]

Before I figured out how to run Twilio JS SDK inside a webview, I was packaging an Electron app for the phone system (made my stomach churn), and the worst part was forgetting to build the stupid electron app before packaging the beta 😔 and also recursively code signing. Spent a few days troubleshooting only to discover I'm just using days old electron build

[kind jay]

Just reverse engineered your shell and installed a RAT from my proxy

[kind jay]

You’re such a nerd

[frosty zealot]

I've been known to dabble

[kind jay]

Rule 10. smh

[frosty zealot]

Hold on let me review

Overruled

[kind jay]

@mods

[wide schooner]

I got a dumb idea

[kind jay]

Stop posting upside down videos

[frosty zealot]

This guys my favourite

[wide schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/squidbreak-ward-weird-jera-jeras-gif-gif-26256195

[wide schooner]

Upside down discord fork would be lit tho

Gotta add that to my todo.md

[kind jay]

Yeah, could fix all my upside down issues

[boreal holly]

@doms

[high girder]

That's a lot of family

[kind jay]

swop@

[wide schooner]

document.head.insertAdjacentHTML("beforeend", `<style> body { transform: rotate(180deg) !important; transform-origin: center center !important; height: 100vh !important; overflow: hidden !important; } </style>`);

Bruh discord breaks js

Grrr

[wide schooner]

I thought this was Tate 😭 😭

[kind jay]

pet

[wide schooner]

Clanker!

[kind jay]

Woah, we don’t use that language here

[kind jay]

Hahaha

[frosty zealot]

@boreal holly call the police I hate this job 😂

Why’s everything on a roof

[frosty zealot]

https://x.com/perplexity_ai/status/2031790180521427166

Careful updating im getting spammed with cannot resume threads

[slender nebula]

i cannot even login into my google account

i click on sign in with chat gpt and its a blank white page

[steady vigil]

5.4pro is still super weak sauce in STEM compared to deep think

maybe some day oai will get that right, but not today

[boreal holly]

Looks like you just got off the phone with Carrier tech support after they said "no error codes? No problem!"

[frosty zealot]

lmao

App not workin for me since update oh well back the cli

[tender bolt]

It seems impossible to log into Codex right now:

1. The CLI asks me to sign in at this link: https://auth.openai.com/codex/device
2. That redirects to https://auth.openai.com/log-in which is 404 Not Found

I presume this is the “We are investigating elevated login errors” issue https://status.openai.com/incidents/01KKFJRH4WP8X9YCX0W57ZXT9D

[kind jay]

Nerd

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/shinya-gif-19628717

Im convinced the Codex team doesnt have a dev enviro and they just test on main

I'd fit right in

[kind jay]

Open DM rn

[frosty zealot]

For future reference, I leave the DM, not you.

[kind jay]

Womp womp

[fast escarp]

anyone got a fix for codex hard freezing on windows? often after chat finishes or starts

[high girder]

CLI, IDE extension, app?
Do you have more than 4-8 Gb ram?

[fast escarp]

64gb, codex app on windows

[high girder]

It's more than likely the Codex app itself based on what you've told me so far. I would use the cli or ide extension to check to see where your resources are getting gobbled, also, check to see how much it's using while you're using it

[kind jay]

Ask the codex app to fix itself ngl

[fast escarp]

yea i'll most likely head back to the ide, it's often gobbling resources so i guess thats the issue

[kind jay]

Put it on xhigh just incase though

[high girder]

Honestly though, the IDE on windows still uses agents. You can still adjust them with the terminal as well, but the IDE is basically the app with a few less OAI integrations.

[frosty zealot]

I just accidentally looked into the sun now I can't see good

[kind jay]

Try it at night next time

[frosty zealot]

hmm.. noted

[kind jay]

Dark mode

[boreal holly]

you gotta see more better

[frosty zealot]

hisses

:wq

[kind jay]

This isn’t vim lil bro

[frosty zealot]

Good thing or you'd be stuck in here for hours googlin how to get out of edit mode

[tender bolt]

It's back up!

[boreal hawk]

Are there some news why I can’t use 5.3 codex since today

[boreal holly]

💸

[radiant pecan]

Can codex actually work with .md's on the same level as claude? Like for additional context, specific prompts and stuff like that? I know its standard for claude but what about codex

[boreal holly]

markdown files must have read permission for codex to read them, and write permission if you want em to edit

[radiant pecan]

I know that but I was trying to refer to the harness of the agent itself.

[frosty zealot]

chmod -r 777 /

Dont actually do that

[cedar skiff]

All prompts are in md format the same as claude uses.
For harnessing use skills and agents.md

[radiant pecan]

Bcs some agents cant seem to manage context in .mds as good as cc's, atleast thats what I experienced

[boreal holly]

technically can edit with approvals on-request just more of a hassle

[cedar skiff]

codex is much better at using skills that claude, it doesnt get alzheimer's like claude does.

[frosty zealot]

Dare you to say that in the claude channel lmao

[radiant pecan]

Eric im sending that to claudes dc, leets see it unfold

[cedar skiff]

They will just say how you can yell at claude in claude.md to use skills, use orchestration to tell claude to use skills, and keep context low. Maybe just use codex and not bother with any of that ahah

You can get claude to do stuff, its just more work

[final quail]

?

[cedar skiff]

I used claude for thousands of hours😬

[radiant pecan]

Theyre mad atleast the guy thats typing for 5 minutes, definitely is

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/busy-gif-9099753845369881805

[cedar skiff]

in before they take 5 minutes to say SkIlL iuSsie

[final quail]

codex just spamming random commands on my oc

pc

[boreal holly]

Now I wanna get claude code so I can contribute to the OpenAI codex discussion

[strong jungle]

🤯

[high girder]

Have you used it at all yet?

[boreal holly]

no

[high girder]

Oh man. I think you would actually like it. It might feel a little different for you since you're deep into codex, but I think you would have a good time with it.

[boreal holly]

havent even used the free claude homepage

[high girder]

honestly though. Even though its the same models behind claude.ai and claude code, the website tends to glaze you up a bit more than GPT sometimes, but Claude Code itself doesn't do that.

[boreal holly]

Claude is probably a good product, but I’m happy with Codex. It took so many years to realize if I wanna be productive I gotta stick with what I like, and Codex absolutely nails it. feels totally hackable, unopinionated, and liberating to use. Its gonna take a lot to get me to switch services

[worthy furnace]

Codex is disconnecting

It was such a great idea to let free people in

[boreal holly]

have you tried my configs?

I heard EU might have connection issues, but if theres even a slight chance it is just experimental features causing a bad connection youre more than welcome to give my configs a spin

[high girder]

Fair enough. I wouldn't want you to switch either. I think you would just find use for using Claude and Codex. They're both good at different things, but I definitely understand sticking with what you like

[frosty zealot]

I'm such an ADD brain with stuff, I love learning new tech, ill build something half way with something then go well lets try this one and learn this one, same with Claude/Codex etc.

But I am def happier with Codex over Claude

[high girder]

The flexibility codex gives you is worth it in and of itself.

[boreal holly]

I wish i had time stamps, but my agents have been doing chores for like 5 hours while i have been fighting crabs. I couldnt ask for a more loyal crew of non deterministic finite automatons

[frosty zealot]

Fix your navstack 😛

[boreal holly]

I like to go back back 🤷‍♂️

[frosty zealot]

haha

Is that a game you're making or a game in general

[boreal holly]

Another Crabs Treasure 🦀

Its only relevant because Codex is carrying the team 👀

[frosty zealot]

lmao

[ebon ingot]

Why codex is bad with designing

I wanted it to design vendor dashboard for laoptops and mobiles but the design always broken everything is bad

Anyone knows perfect prompet for UI dashboard

[calm aurora]

I usually describe the movie or theme, and the phases

Kind of: i want a gui that follows tech (or insert what you want) and the flow is the following: (1) ->(2)-etc

Usually use Jarvis blue theme

Haha

[pale ruin]

it can only copy but can't design on it own like others... you have to give it something haha

[ebon ingot]

I gave it 2 photos to copy the design but the result was.... 😭

[ebon ingot]

Hmm tried it

[pale ruin]

properly prompting issue...

that's what most people said to me

[ebon ingot]

Chat gpt made the prompet

Im using gpt to make prompet then send it to codex xd

[pale ruin]

then maybe your gpt was drunk on the last Sunday 🤣

[ebon ingot]

Xd🤣

Im actually wanted to build multi-vendor website using wordpress + dokan lite, codex coded me some of dokan pro features for free xd, but when i tried to change the vendor dashboard codex couldnt do it well

It is good with logic but with UI nah, sad

[oblique cove]

Where is your input in that situation

[ebon ingot]

I explain my thoughts to gpt to convert them into good prompet

[oblique cove]

I think you should just learn some stuff about prompting, it's not that hard, the main thing is don't talk too much, like you don't have to say "Hey, do you think we could ..." just state what you want first thing, and use white spaces instead of one large block of text

less is more

[calm aurora]

I find that natural langusge works in códex

[oblique cove]

also examples help a lot, explaining the shape of what you're expecting as the outcome

instead of leaving it up to the model to guess what the result should be

[calm aurora]

Design it first with key KPI

[ebon ingot]

Yeah so im using gpt to help with the UI first then convert it to commands for codex

[oblique cove]

If you're just doing easy commands then I think chatgpt could give them to you directly, instead of needlessly passing it to codex

[ebon ingot]

I wanted codex to make a custom vendor dashboard on dokan lite

[oblique cove]

also right now, with 5.4 available in codex and the gpt website, you can just use codex. 5.4 is conversational and can code

[ebon ingot]

Im using codex 5.3 with extra high

[oblique cove]

something to note with extra high is it can lock too hard and miss the point, or make up something else it should be doing instead of what you stated. there's a line between when extra high is a good thing and when it'll just throw the model off

regular high works best, in most cases

unless you're like doing some large lsp warning fixing throughout the entire codebase, if it's a simple prompt that's not going to help

interestingly I've never even used low, I just had to check if that was even a setting or if I was misremembering. Idk when low is ever a good choice

because low will just go straight for doing what you want, without considering root causes and such

or if it works

[calm aurora]

I used low to work the básics

[oblique cove]

There's some cases where it works, but usually I don't think low knows what its doing

you have to know what you delegate works, because low won't care if it does

[calm aurora]

With the right skills? you use it locally or in online repo

I make small memory artifacts

How do you trace metadata?

[ebon ingot]

Will try the high and see

[pastel sequoia]

codex: Searched web for site:arxiv.org "expected free energy" active inference arXiv

[hollow reef]

How does everyone get like 20% usage a day on plus plan and I get 20% usage on the pro plan man

[high girder]

Just depends on what you're doing and how you're doing it.

[cedar skiff]

20% is 20%

[hollow reef]

Exactly the same thing, 5.4 Xhigh on fast

😵

[high girder]

I don't use fast and I rarely touch xhigh. I'm also on plus not pro, and I've never run out of usage.

[hollow reef]

What do you use

Out of curiousity

[cedar skiff]

i can't see a difference between 5.4 xhigh and high except for usage

[high girder]

VS Code with the Codex extension, which is basically the app, but I use the app depending on what I'm working on. The only time I really touch CLI is when I was spawning agents before they made them official.
Exactly. If you give 5.4 enough context, you really just end up wasting compute with all of these extra settings. Sure, it might be faster, but what's the rush?

[calm aurora]

What are agents?

[high girder]

extra instances of the model that work in tandem with each other to get things done faster

[calm aurora]

How do I configure them?

[cedar skiff]

sub agents are a context management solution, they go do task in a fresh context and don't pollute the main context.

[calm aurora]

I usually work with backend terminals and skills, agents is not something I tríes

Tried

[still trellis]

Anyone have a skill that works for tauri on mac specifically to match the playwright+electron skill that ships with codex now? I've created a few but still flakey as it does not come with native mac support it seems?

[calm aurora]

Tried local web?

[still trellis]

yeah thats what im doing but its not ideal to debug

[calm aurora]

I use Linux

[still trellis]

ah, so you can use webdriverIO natively then

[calm aurora]

Using codex on Linux is like managing a local server with AI

I changed to Linux after Windows outdated my 15 years old pc, Well both haha, installed Linux, and optimization is very achievable

[still trellis]

Brave man you are sir!!

[calm aurora]

Codex mix well with datadriven repos

My hypothesis: universities could do a lot for maintaining and improving étnic AI

Ethic

Is a big proyect to carry alone, so would be good ro try it with data from repos globally. Encapsúled inside geolocalized metadata

[frosty zealot]

What about the fact that a lot of universities are very biased and say left leaning etc.

[calm aurora]

There are a lot of universities

From different countries

With different interests, ruling government, culture, etc

Policy and interests change around the globo

Globe

[frosty zealot]

Yeah, interesting thought for sure

But again its like, different countries have different views, religions, etc. if you want like one unified ethic guideline it would be hard I would think

[calm aurora]

We in Chile use APA

Imagine AI powered internet institución

Institution

Digital democracy or to crazy

Tecnocracy with mixed theories of diplomacy

And sustaintability

[wide schooner]

Now that anthropic and google are gone, is there any competition to codex 20$ sub anymore?

[calm aurora]

Why they are gone?

[wide schooner]

Anthropic servers are (always) down, and google announced they are limiting subscriptions to 3.0 flash only, and to making 3.1 and 3.0 pro api-only

🤣

[calm aurora]

Multinode servers rule

[obtuse river]

"Anthropic servers are (always) down" Have you been following this server and status monitor at all???

[wide schooner]

Mhm, they been lagging/down since a week

[obtuse river]

I didn't notice any problems the last few times I used Claude.

[wide schooner]

Well people are complaining about claude being down even in xitter

[tacit abyss]

i'm also not seeing anything about gemini 3.1 being api/pro only

[calm aurora]

Codex and Claude Can be used simultaneos?

[obtuse river]

Huh, interesting. Fair enough.

[wide schooner]

They said that on xitter too

[calm aurora]

Whats xitter?

[obtuse river]

Twitter/X. Maybe it's an automod dodge.

Apparently not the latter.

[wide schooner]

"Google subscriptions will be moved into one model only, and have higher 3.0 flash usage, and the * 249$ ultra* sub will have bonus api credits included to use the normal pro models instead"

[wide schooner]

No thats how people call it 💀

Noone calls it x

[calm aurora]

Makes sense

[tacit abyss]

that does not mean they're limiting people to 3.0 flash

[wide schooner]

But twitter isnt really correct

[wide schooner]

Yes it does

[calm aurora]

In spanish is X (ex twitter)

[wide schooner]

"Buy api credits" 💀

[karmic shadow]

Time to migrate

[tacit abyss]

the thing you posted literally says they're not shutting off access

[wide schooner]

"You will get few pennies to taste test 3.1"

Its already like 5 prompts and they want to nerf it even more

1$ in api credits 🤣 🤣

[tacit abyss]

they aren't saying anything about nerfing it at all you're inferring that because you want to believe it

[wide schooner]

Bro

Are you nonenglish

[tacit abyss]

no and I actually know how to read.

[wide schooner]

Taste test mean "try once"

[tacit abyss]

I'm just going to block you.

[wide schooner]

Taste test is worse than free subs have

🤡

[calm aurora]

What

[wide schooner]

Ragebaiting should be bannable tbh

[twilit bluff]

is gpt5.3 and 5.4 only available through api for codex?

I still can't use it using chatgpt account

[wide schooner]

Nope

[twilit bluff]

is this a bug

damn

[karmic shadow]

codex ruinned atp

[cobalt junco]

as anyone tried this before?

[wicked briar]

I want to try it

[cobalt junco]

im trying it rn

plus accounts get 40 deep research runs right?

[static lark]

What does this mean though

No more pro models for Pro users ?

[wide schooner]

No this means 0 pro models for pro users

You lose access entiriely

💀

And you get like 2$ api credits instead

[static lark]

Why

[static lark]

What

[wide schooner]

Because google is dumb

[static lark]

So how much is the new pro plan

[wide schooner]

It same wym still 20$

You just lose access to 3.1 pro, and can only use 3.0 flash

[static lark]

But only 2 dollar api credit ?

[wide schooner]

Yes because you get 3.0 flash (useless) instead

[static lark]

Is that unlimited

[wide schooner]

No lmao
But you get a bit more of it than now

[static lark]

Ok

[wide schooner]

(And dont use that, its worse than haiku 4.0)

Gpt 5.1 mini is better lol

[static lark]

So from now on only rich people with ultra gets pro ?

Daymm

That's bad

[obtuse river]

I don't think any of that is accurate.

[simple star]

Good morning, builders

[cobalt junco]

wow this actually worked pretty great

might bring deep research into my workflow

[tawny island]

https://hascodexratelimitreset.today/

[cobalt junco]

this is useful

[cedar skiff]

what is this? I'd love to try it.

[cobalt junco]

its deep research connected to my github repos

you basically ask it to do heavy audit work instead of having codex waste tokens on doing that

and you verify it's audit output, and hand it over then verify codex's work

just used it saves a lot of codex compute]

[cedar skiff]

okay that sounds good. So I go to ChatGPT and toggle the get her button under apps. Would that be correct?

[cobalt junco]

Yes

[cedar skiff]

it's all just one step closer to the vibe vibe coding dream

[cobalt junco]

ngl its pretty good actually found a couple interesting true bugs

and my codebase is like 120k lines so its able to handle a lot, it ran for like 30-40 mins

[cedar skiff]

okay, I've got set up and I've picked my repository but I'm not sure how I get that UI up that you have here

[cobalt junco]

are u on plus?

[cedar skiff]

pro

[cobalt junco]

idk this is what the UI looks like for me

[cedar skiff]

Ahh! ok thanks i just prompt it thanks do much for your help

[tall zodiac]

gang gang

Anyone use extra high reasoning for research / planning tasks?

or is it just me

[cedar skiff]

I've been getting by since 5.4 with just using high, with 5.3. I used to use extra high every now and then then I've been meaning to jump back onto 5.3 and give it a red hot shot for awhile to see if I can notice a difference.

[deft sable]

I just checked my usage count. All models now have weekly limits instead of a 5-hour limit, except Flash, which still has a 5-hour limit on Pro

[tall zodiac]

wdym unc

[static lark]

What does this mean lol

[static lark]

Pro account ?

[tall zodiac]

yuh

[deft sable]

I am referring to Google's AG. That's what you were replying to earlier.

[deft sable]

^ talking about AG, not Codex

[wide schooner]

Then check

Yeah openai didnt scam us like anthro and google

I really hope they can keep it up

[obtuse river]

I did, as much as I could be bothered to. That's what I based that on.

And where's the "scam"? Especially next to OpenAI's recent chaos?

[cobalt junco]

wow

thats a first.

[elfin summit]

hello

in codex, is it possible to branch conversation?

[elfin summit]

nice!

what about deleting messages/

[severe mason]

I am getting recconecting all the time in the windows app anybody else?

only happens when using wsl

[turbid axle]

when you ask gpt to write its own prompts. :D:D:D

Act like a careful **senior **coding agent entering an unfamiliar repository with incomplete context.

[frosty zealot]

Where reset

I wake up and no reset

[kind jay]

Weird, I got my reset

(Wait I send proof)

[frosty zealot]

I’m gonna get you a shock collar

[tall zodiac]

gang gang

[kind jay]

Ruff!

[tall zodiac]

When you guys implement a plan do you have the agent check off all the tasks it’s done ? I remember before 5.4 some of the stuff I asked for in a plan was missing lol

[kind jay]

Credit wasting speedrun any%

[tall zodiac]

😭😭 t f

[warm pilot]

My collegue had a reset, but I didn't

[kind jay]

Same happened with me and @frosty zealot, I got a reset and he didn’t

[sacred hollow]

who also has this new titlebar

[silver rain]

is anyone else having problems using codex in vscode since days? It's just not responding to any of my prompts

[upbeat maple]

The only bait that gets me is Imaster

[upbeat maple]

I've had it not respond to my prompts if my wifi goes out. How is your connection?

[still trellis]

today I started using https://github.com/openai/symphony, safe to say its a hungry hungry hippo... Come on Tibo give us the gift that keeps on giving!

[frosty zealot]

Lmao do you fish?

[kind jay]

You’re not in the gang lil bro

[frosty zealot]

If he fishes he is

[kind jay]

Now he’s going to lie to be in the gang

[upbeat maple]

What you doing that's causing it to eat up all it's usage?

[kind jay]

Agents

[still trellis]

check out the repo, its agent loop where you give it tickets in linear and it keeps iterating until it fixes it, creates a pr and merges it into your main branch. I went full R and made it spin up 12 agents 🫣

[kind jay]

This guy wins

[ornate jolt]

do you get the security feature with the 20 dollar plan?

[untold egret]

Hey ! Is there any agents for codex, that would allow it to create/find leads for my business ?

[frosty zealot]

My music is too high energy for vibe coding

[kind jay]

What frequency?

[frosty zealot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68WnOjOYa9I you tell me :>

[kind jay]

Micheal Burry ahh

[kind jay]

What’s your business?

[frosty zealot]

Mind your

https://tenor.com/view/goteem-go-team-happy-fun-sports-gif-4789485

[kind jay]

You’re my business

[calm aurora]

In the prompt is good to call folders and type or archives, like create a “worker” with in folder “x” with subarchives “y, z”

Like design and constituit canonical path

[calm aurora]

Yes

Create a bot that extract through ethic scrapping web and database to extract lead 24/7, considere free api first.

[untold egret]

Selling Agents for restaurant (ordering, booking etc)

[calm aurora]

You Can make it if local permanent process, or something you Can activate

[frosty zealot]

Im afraid I'm not feeling to good.

[kind jay]

You used that much after your reset? Crazy

[frosty zealot]

Innovation demands sacrifice

In this case, its my usage limits

I need to refund my CC and buy a second OAI Pro account

Anybody with a team plan wanna give me a seat? I don't have anything to give you, but I'm great company

[kind jay]

Take out a loan to buy more credits, if it doesn’t work then just never pay back the loan

Take leverage against your business or something

[tawny island]

is the chatgpt MacOS app good yet or still crappy? just use web?

[main nimbus]

They released an update recently, hoping it fixes the performance issues.

[calm aurora]

Better use a local wrapper?

[tawny island]

nice. last time i tested it maybe 6 months ago it was like they abandoned working on that product. it may be such they merge codex/chatgpt into one

[tawny island]

any good ones that you are allowed to use openai sub with?

[main nimbus]

t3code

[calm aurora]

Codex can make you a wrapper using direct commands

[main nimbus]

yeah but that's usage better spent on developing products

[frosty zealot]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6qeaDEn1cdLy10u1Nhs47V?si=0kulI58oRC22l-KAk8I0eQ here’s another vibe code banger

[calm aurora]

Some type of docs use reduced tokens I think, I gave a short memo to read everytime I use codex with CLI

.md

[kind jay]

You know sharing Spotify links like this leaks your Spotify info?

You can remove the referral part of the link

Kids these days

[frosty zealot]

But then you can’t see my cat

[still trellis]

you got that Michael Burry vibe

[kind jay]

Kids these days

[kind jay]

Thanks for stealing my joke

[frosty zealot]

I dont know who that is so joke is on BOTH of you

thanks guys

[thorny bloom]

how don’t you know who Michael burry is lol

[kind jay]

Kids these days

[frosty zealot]

Should I?

[thorny bloom]

accurate enough

[thorny bloom]

I mean

Interesting guy

At the very least

[kind jay]

To be honest yeah

[frosty zealot]

Apparently my awareness of Michael Burry only collapses once it’s measured

Normal never won a trophy

[torpid trout]

Hey anyone notice context window being burnt like kerosene?
I ingest a few files of a project and 23% left, makes no sense

context window, not credits

[thorny bloom]

yes my context window is also burnt like kerosene

[kind jay]

You can adjust this, what’s your setup like, how long the thread, etc.

[kind jay]

You’re not him 😭

[frosty zealot]

IF only you knew

[ivory bluff]

Hey guys, is 5.4 or 5.3-codex better and what are the differences?

[torpid trout]

... how would you adjust how much token context you have when you start a chat fresh and have about 5 files in the directory (json) that it needs to read, off which only about 3 are relevant?

there is no magic "give me more context" (well, other than using a million window)
I have used that same repo in past week every day, and it never consumed 80% of the context window on first run lol

That is 200k+ tokens as far I understand, not exactly a little

I would understand it if I where working on a dir that had like thousands of lines of code, but even there not.

[kind jay]

I was referring to extending the window

[kind jay]

It depends

[torpid trout]

I am talking about it burning context window extremely fast.
Exactly like it used to burn tokens too fast. Just that it affects context window % number

[wide schooner]

😭

[orchid plume]

it's mixed, some people feel 5.4 is better (myself included), some others say they don't feel 5.4 is better. Benchmarks naturally show 5.4 is better though. Voratiq's one, which I usually go by as it aligns with my perception as well, shows an improvement for 5.4 (with xhigh now in the lead, last week with initially limited testing high was in the lead)

[peak oriole]

does anyone use parallel worktree in Codex CLI?
What is your workflow?

[wide schooner]

@kind jay i made upsidedowncord you do want 🤣

(no it isnt just inverted)

[kind jay]

You mean codex made upside discord smh

[wide schooner]

no gemini did

🥀

[kind jay]

Also very funny

[wide schooner]

is that actual image flipper extension

that would be fun idea tbh

[kind jay]

No, that’s just how your images appear

When are you going to send the upside down version?

[wide schooner]

well

cinema

spincord 🔥

discord that spins

[rugged burrow]

Updated to new Codex, anyone else on Windows see a menu on top (File, Edit, View, etc.) but it doesn't do anything? Introduced regression?

[boreal holly]

I have a gitignored .worktrees folder inside the repo which is the CWD of the agents, and they put their worktrees in there

[frosty zealot]

Somebody gift me nitro thanks

[peak oriole]

Do you manually create worktrees or automate it with agents abilitys(is this even possible?)?

[tawny island]

here?

[boreal holly]

I have a few global scripts to automate the process. They create their own worktrees. Since they're all in workspace-write sandbox, I configure the rules to unilaterally allow non-destructive/additive git commands through global scripts

[kind jay]

DMs

[still trellis]

@boreal holly have you tried symphony?

[boreal holly]

What's symphony?

[still trellis]

https://github.com/openai/symphony

[rugged burrow]

You see that menu on top? That just got introduced, but I don't think it does anything.

[tawny island]

oh sorry i responded to RZN

meant to respond*

[rugged burrow]

I know you did, but I'm just continuing the conversation.

[tawny island]

ah ok. im on macos and for me it works

[boreal holly]

That is super cool! Thanks!

[rugged burrow]

damn, I was working on something like symphony, but then had to stop working on it. It's basically like vibe-kanban.

Sometimes I feel like working on nothing because once the AI companies do it, your project is dead.

[still trellis]

yeah there is a weird convergence... Hivemind ?? LOL

[rugged burrow]

Basically. I mean, not many ideas are purely novel. It's really all in the execution. And if you have a good idea, chances are probably a bunch of other people on this planet have the same idea. I'd say at least five.

Like, look at #announcements from a minute ago. This is basically cribbing from Anthropic and what they did a few weeks ago.

Or like seeing Microsoft trying to take credit a decade earlier for their failed execution: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/ex-windows-chief-calls-macbook-neo-a-paradigm-shifting-computer-reflects-on-surface-failure-and-windows-on-arm-while-lamenting-we-were-early-but-not-wrong

[lean lark]

SamA said a couple years ago that if you are developing something obvious, you're probably wasting your time. Looking at how fast all of this is moving, it's clear that development and publication of new products has accelerated to AI speed. Your edge is in your own creativity, and then execution to get your product out before the other guys.

I had an idea last week, and then found another company just got millions of dollars in VC for a similar idea. It's still a good idea, competition actually validates the idea, I might still do it. But acting fast with a clear business plan is critical.

[wide schooner]

12.5gb memory usage. claude code > codex! think about all the memories!

[glacial heath]

Yooo

I joined for no reason

[rugged burrow]

I agree with you completely. Execution is everything now. The more you delay, the worse you make it for yourself. It's just hard because it's so easy to get burnt out, especially when you're trying to do multiple projects with AI.

[rugged burrow]

It's also you're giving all your good ideas away to a corporation that runs AI... you do the math.

[glacial heath]

||love ya moms||

[calm aurora]

Thats right, thats why profit cant be the only parameter to IA success

[still trellis]

do it for the babes !

[lean lark]

That's exactly what SamA was saying ... I can find the quote but it's out there, something like "if you start development thinking that OpenAI is missing something or isn't going to do it, you're probably mistaken."

[glacial heath]

Who plays steal a brainrot

[calm aurora]

I think changes come when people work with AI together

[frosty zealot]

I will sell my body for a limit reset

[kind jay]

Ohh, I love that game

[gusty basalt]

anyone else have this problem?

[kind jay]

Server twins

[glacial heath]

Iran is attack us

[glacial heath]

With bombs

😢

[gusty basalt]

why is this in codex-discussions?

[kind jay]

Who knows?

[boreal holly]

I like the fact that OpenAI provides everything, from OOB fully developed and packaged system (Codex desktop/cloud), to the app-server it uses, and lets you decide what you wanna do with it all. And their app-server is pretty solid! Also the codex-rs library is probably the best "how to do /v1/responses perfectly in Rust" example out there.

[oblique furnace]

when will apply_patch be fixed

[oblique furnace]

yeah its a bug i hope they fix it soon

[still trellis]

codex app server is goated tbh.

[frosty zealot]

My offer still stands

[lean lark]

The "sort of" issue is that OpenAI is both a provider of tools and a provider of SaaS based on their own tools. That's good and expected but it creates a common scenario where the upstream competes with its own ecosystem. That leads too many people who believe in conspiracies to think that the company is stealing ideas ... even though SamA said "no one cares about your idea". -- https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-no-one-cares-about-your-idea-openai-ceo-sam-altman-tells-startup-founders-to-focus-on-execution-4153081/

Altman’s core message revolves around the point that ideas are cheap and abundant, and what separates successful startups is superior execution, speed, and momentum.

This isn't the exact quote that I was looking for yet but this is another quote by Sam about being original : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQSmJsro24

[frosty zealot]

@boreal holly
❯ git diff --shortstat main...HEAD
781 files changed, 111299 insertions(+), 13379 deletions(-)

[lean lark]

( I'm not posting any more on the originality topic, getting OT )

[boreal holly]

Codex is definitely not lackin the stamina

[frosty zealot]

One thread

One dream

https://tenor.com/view/gon-gif-22947708

[kind jay]

I don’t know if your 14yo or 41yo

[frosty zealot]

I guess it all depends when I collapse

[boreal holly]

git ls-files -z | xargs -0 cat | codex -c 'developer_instructions="review all of the code in the user message"'

This is a joke, do not run this command

[kind jay]

What are your eigenvalues?

[frosty zealot]

TBD

[kind jay]

That’s not how it works

[frosty zealot]

Of course it does, it depends on how you act on me

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[kind jay]

I am but the observer

[frosty zealot]

Then perform the measurement

[kind jay]

I’m still uncertain

[frosty zealot]

Well then it brings me back to my original point, TBD.

[lean lark]

What are you people talking about in this channel on Codex Discussions?

[frosty zealot]

Unauthorized observer detected

[lean lark]

I'm actually curious, what does that mean?

[frosty zealot]

Jane can explain, she's the nerd, I'm just the collapse

[kind jay]

Quantum mechanics words used out of context

[lean lark]

That's why I was wondering why it was used here. 😆

[kind jay]

I’m trying not to let @frosty zealot’s rage bait get to me

[lean lark]

ahhh

[frosty zealot]

anime grin

[lean lark]

ignoring rubbish usually works well

especially my own rubbish. 🗑️

[kind jay]

Bro is like 45

Unc fr

Am I the youngest person ever?

[frosty zealot]

Thinking I'm so feeble minded into being rage baited into doxing myself, heh clever

You'll always be two steps behind me

[boreal holly]

fwiw eingenvalues are used in LLM training so in an Olympic mental gymnastics way it's relevant to Codex 😂

[kind jay]

I wasn’t talking about you

[lean lark]

🤸‍♂️

[frosty zealot]

Well then

[kind jay]

Not everything is about you smh

[lean lark]

ok all... 🙂

[frosty zealot]

Lmfao that made me exhale slightly harder out of my nose

[kind jay]

🤤

[hollow reef]

Codex is SIPPING usage

on the pro plan and I'm out 11% usage in less than 24h with 2 xhigh 5.4 sessions not even fast mode

[frosty zealot]

Yes I need you all to scream it at the top of your lungs, preferably to Tibo on Twitter so I can get a limit reset, I'm over here starting to get the shakes

[kind jay]

You didn’t get the reset today?

[frosty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-njz-hyein-hamster-gif-5339840941190480953

[boreal holly]

I detect a new acronym: eshoomn

[frosty zealot]

Put an entry in urban

[kind jay]

That made me eshoomn

[frosty zealot]

Its catching on, quick, trademark it

I'm afraid... this might be the end for me...

[little cliff]

Codex jumped to a sibling directory because it could not find the issue in the working directory. Has anybody seen this happen with them?

[kind jay]

Skill issue tbh

[boreal holly]

codex -s workspace-write

[little cliff]

Agreed.

[boreal holly]

Or C:\\Program\ Files\ (x86)\\OpenAI\\Codex\\binaries\\cli\\codex -s workspace-write

[little cliff]

What can be done in toml to not see this happen again?

[kind jay]

@lean lark been writing for the last 20 minutes

[boreal holly]

sandbox_mode = "workspace-write"

[lean lark]

So, going back on my statement that I won't comment on this anymore: whenever someone says OpenAI stole their idea, refer back to these paraphrased quotes by Sam....

"If you are building something assuming OpenAI hasn’t thought of it or is missing an obvious feature, you're probably mistaken."
"If it seems like an obvious product for us, we probably already have it on the roadmap."
"Founders should not assume frontier labs missed something obvious."
"If there were obvious things for startups to do with this technology, we would probably just do them."
"If the idea is something that seems really obvious for OpenAI to build, we probably will."
The real opportunities are things they haven’t noticed yet, not things they forgot.
Startups win by finding unexpected use cases, not by filling trivial gaps.
OpenAI has hundreds of researchers and engineers thinking full-time about the product and the roadmap. Most obvious improvements are already considered internally. Therefore, building a startup purely on “OpenAI forgot X” is usually a bad bet.

He's really tried to discourage people from wasting their time on the obvious, which leads to complaints about stealing ideas and laments about all the good ideas being taken. He encourages (doing what humans should be doing) thinking about novel solutions to as-yet unsolved challenges. That's where the money is.
And to keep this on-topic in that Olympian gymnastics sort of way, that's how we need to use Codex.

[kind jay]

Okay fair enough

[lean lark]

cuz that's how I roll

[kind jay]

@potent chasm summarise this message

[lean lark]

That was the summary! 🤣

[frosty zealot]

I’m happy for you, or I’m sorry that happened

[kind jay]

I ain’t reading all of that

[kind jay]

“Obvious ideas invite disappointment; use Codex for novel, unsolved opportunities.”

[boreal holly]

Oh yeah I'm not saying go compete with OpenAI to release a product that is the same but includes some obscure feature that they'll implement tomorrow, but building a tool on top of their tool for personal use I think is totally fine

[lean lark]

Seriously though, peeps cry here once in a while about OpenAI stealing ideas or other peeps publishing before they can get product out. It's an old scenario, just need new devs to understand how this works.

[boreal holly]

Yeah I've joked with Codex about "I bet OpenAI's looking at what we're building here and probably gonna use it" and it always snaps back with "nope, they have a billion active users, there's no way even if they wanted to do that to zero in on any individual idea, nor would they want to"

[lean lark]

Yeah, we need to build new things with the tools. Kids and vibers are still building chatbots (or whatever) and then complaining that there are already chatbots out there or that OpenAI stole their chatbot idea.

I just wish they would continue to develop the primary app that most people on the planet are using. ChatGPT is still a painful MVP.

[frosty zealot]

@grok is this true

[boreal holly]

gork

[lean lark]

I really appreciate all of the work on Codex and models but they've got thousands of people on staff and Codex is just one of the products.

[kind jay]

Rule 8. smh

[lean lark]

( Love when rules are cited!!! )

[frosty zealot]

SHOULD be. Learn the rules.

[kind jay]

Actually I choose not to leak my timezone

[frosty zealot]

Too late

[kind jay]

Hmm? What was it then?

[raw hill]

it would rule if #codex wasn't a dive bar

[lean lark]

oy ve, I'm going back to code. I was running the Codex extension 0.4.71 cuz there's still a bug in current versions. Upgraded today but annoyed with old issue. Sigh, remember Bucko, it's FOSS...

[torpid trout]

Thats why they hired the guy from the clawbot thingy right? So they can say "we built it"?

[frosty zealot]

7:18

[kind jay]

Rule 5. smh

[torpid trout]

Lol. Just because they are "frondeer" does not mean folks have no genuine, new ideas that can be had by others at the same time

[kind jay]

You’re just mad you’re not in the group

[frosty zealot]

I made that up

Did you just admit it though

[lean lark]

OpenClaw is still FOSS. OpenAI is now funding its development. I think that's a huge plus for the industry. https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw

[torpid trout]

I am not saying it is whatever
Just saying, openai does not have all the ideas 🙂

[lean lark]

no one said that

[torpid trout]

People have ideas all the time. They just often fall within the lazy, no means, or no time groups and then a bigger fish does it, because ideas are not unique.

[lean lark]

And that's exactly what I quoted.

[torpid trout]

That is how I understand your comment. "Dont complain because here are quotes of SA saying we do it anyway"
Might have misunderstood

[lean lark]

gosh, that's not what I'm saying at all, read the quotes, ask ChatGPT for translation if required.

[torpid trout]

no need, I speak and read english.

[lean lark]

And the link I posted to financialexpress.

[boreal holly]

It was more or less people saying OpenAI steals their ideas through usering their service

And that it's not really a thing

[kind jay]

@torpid trout

[torpid trout]

Of coures it isnt
He said "Stop complaining because Openai does it anyway" basically and in a short sentence
And that is just not true
Openclaw best example.

Complain? You lost
Assume you do not need to implement the "obvious"? You lost too, openclaw was super obvious

[lean lark]

So weird, I posted numerous quotes and paraphrasing of exactly the same concept, then peeps are like, TLDR and argue with what was said, but was not said. Can't argue with that kind of reasoning, sorry.

[torpid trout]

yet magic OAI did not come first.
Its not about the idea, its about whetehr you have means, guts and time.

[kind jay]

I think you’re just getting rage baited ngl

[lean lark]

Jane, the problem is that he's serious.

He kinda does this...

[kind jay]

Doubt it

[torpid trout]

really, do i

Tell me more please

[frosty zealot]

I enjoy the passion you are all displaying about the subject, please, continue.

[torpid trout]

You seem to know me so well 🙂

[lean lark]

Yeah bud, sorry. I tend to read a number of your posts and while it seems like your intent is good you frequently have some weird angle on topics that twist them from actual intent into something that you disagree with. Sorry, that's how I read you.

[frosty zealot]

He's just passionate

[torpid trout]

lol

[frosty zealot]

Did I spell that right? Passionate?

Looks weird rn

let me google it

Yep I did it

[kind jay]

Passionate

[lean lark]

I literally said the same thing ten different ways and he took the energy to get something completely different out of it. Some people are like that.

[torpid trout]

Probably this the guy i showed how GPT makes all the time the same design over and over

Anyway, 🚪

[frosty zealot]

Thats not correct, it's Passionate

[kind jay]

Oh my bad

[kind jay]

That’s such a good technique

I used that on @frosty zealot yesterday

[frosty zealot]

He can't hear you he closed his door

[torpid trout]

Can hear you through the door

[lean lark]

hahaha

[frosty zealot]

I'll slide your dinner tray under if you're hungry lmao

[kind jay]

Not possible, it’s a vacuum

[torpid trout]

Folks with lots of rage typing here

Calm your horses. Go vibe.

[kind jay]

You’re a master rage baiter, I need to learn from you

[lean lark]

So, summary : Don't assume OpenAI is missing anything, don't create the obvious, be original, and execute. That's the message. I don't think anyone can/should argue with that.

[kind jay]

🗒️ 🖊️

[boreal holly]

Ok look, you're both correct. @lean lark is saying don't build a chatbot, build something that doesn't exist yet. OpenClaw was a new idea, an abstract interface between LLMs and communication, when communication used to always be a strongly typed and inflexible interface. @torpid trout you're basically agreeing with him lol

[frosty zealot]

All in good fun, I do admire your passion

[torpid trout]

dont create openclaw!

[kind jay]

Eerrmm actually 🤓 ☝️

[lean lark]

what do you mean beda?

[torpid trout]

äcktcually

wait

[frosty zealot]

Ahktuyally

[lean lark]

( Gawd, I hate when people in vids say "actually" so much! )

[kind jay]

Hey! Rule 5. smh

[lean lark]

"akshuly"

[desert echo]

hey guys, trying to get help with upgrading my codex sub from pro to max. it's failing with error "There was a problem updating your subscription"

can someone point me to the proper channel for this? thanks!

[boreal holly]

According to my calculayshuns

[kind jay]

Email support

[frosty zealot]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1070006915414900886

[lean lark]

YES, a real Codex issue!

[torpid trout]

wait till you hear it with my äczent ook?

[lean lark]

an akshul akshent?

[frosty zealot]

You remove that thumbs down RIGHT NOW

[lean lark]

yeah @desert echo business issues need to go to the company, not a public forum.

[kind jay]

Thanks for repeating what I said

[frosty zealot]

As in happy, of course

[lean lark]

(Not cool @frosty zealot)

[frosty zealot]

I'm sorry pop

[kind jay]

Also rule 5. smh

[frosty zealot]

I need a second monitor with the rules up

Gonna break my neck going back and forth

[lean lark]

If you need to have the rules up to make sure you're not breaking them, you probably need more of an education in basic civil discourse. Just talk normal dude, don't say stuff that people can take weirdly™ and stay on topic. 🙏

[gray jewel]

Breaking the rules helps me figure them out

[robust lintel]

[gray jewel]

Saves me a lot of time

[frosty zealot]

ITs the fuzz! Cheeze it!

[frosty zealot]

Conversations naturally branch. Enforcing rigid on topic rules 24/7 suppresses curiosity and engagement When a channel is quiet, organic discussion is harmless as long as it returns to topic when it matters, while the moderators may not agree with my take, I stand by it

[lean lark]

Bau is probably wondering why his bot isn't catching all of this. HAHA

[viscid sail]

did you try loomify.dev for web theme generation?

[robust lintel]

I work hard not to do any moderation so actually not really

[lean lark]

Totally agree C, but that doesn't include some of your contributions. Just sayin...

[frosty zealot]

IT's a generational thing, I'm sure of it

[lean lark]

No excuse.

[robust lintel]

No one is enforcing on topic strictly 24/7...

[frosty zealot]

I was just replying to the last few words of his statement 'and stay on topic.'

[lean lark]

OK, going back to code here...

[frosty zealot]

🫡

Bau, while I have your ear, can you wonder over to where ever this Tobi fella sits and hit that button he has

I'm sure at this point its a physical button... check around his desk somewhere

[robust lintel]

I have no idea what you're even talking about

[frosty zealot]

Alright well there goes the joke

Sorry I meant Tibo

IF the joke still doesnt land then whatever

[kind jay]

Don’t worry, I noted all of @frosty zealot ‘s rule violations

[frosty zealot]

In your diary

[frosty zealot]

Thank you

[kind jay]

That’s for every-time you hurt my feelings

[still trellis]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jerry-mcguire-flipout

[robust lintel]

Oh I see

[gray jewel]

I have 2 pro accounts so i can switch between them when i hit limits. I can't stand "you'll need to wait until..."

[robust lintel]

It actually is really hard to work with many specific, niche buttons like that all over

[frosty zealot]

Serious question is there really a reason we can’t use the GIF feature in discord and have it embed, I’m sure you could tune your auto mod to remove any link that’s not from tenor or whatever.

[kind jay]

It’s an embed issue

[frosty zealot]

Can already upload images, that’s a bigger threat than a gif link

[frosty zealot]

Alright, where’s that shock collar

[gray jewel]

Wait, it blocked mine. Unfair

[kind jay]

(He’s laughing at you)

[robust lintel]

I think this has proven why not

[kind jay]

Then why not remove both? It seems odd to differentiate them

[still trellis]

will this work ?

[gray jewel]

oh stickers work

[robust lintel]

Probably the opposite

[high girder]

Where's robert to tell everyone to stay on topic? I thought that was his job

[obtuse river]

He's an Aussie, he's asleep.

[kind jay]

Unpaid intern

[frosty zealot]

When you opt in to share analytics with OAI you should get a 25% token usage reduction

[gray jewel]

I'm sure they like that

[robust lintel]

Cmon now no need for that

[high girder]

You can opt in to share info with an API project and you get free api usage out of it. It's a good way to test non-private api requests for free

[frosty zealot]

I don't feel so good Mr Stark

[kind jay]

What don’t OAI rent out people’s compute power?

Like crypto mining g but useful

[gray jewel]

Keeping data. Nothing wrong with that. I'd prefer more expensive privacy then cheap usage with no privacy

[robust lintel]

I meant the gossip/bad talk of another user. Not needed.

[high girder]

I wasn't bad talking though. I like robert

[kind jay]

Jail, immediately

[gray jewel]

Lol, do we have a chat full of wimps? I don't see anything wrong here

If people can't have a little fun then i'm not sure why we are even here

[boreal holly]

This ain't the Salty Spitoon my guy

[frosty zealot]

The chum bucket

[robust lintel]

No fun allowed, actually. Or be nice. One of those I guess.

[frosty zealot]

Imagine having unlimited /fast and GPT-10^9

[gray jewel]

What would make me truly happy in life would be 20 concurrent Codex agents running on fast non stop

Also, why is 5.4 out but not 5.4 Codex?

[high girder]

You can have 20 codex agents running on fast at once, as long as you have the wallet to keep them running. Also, 5.4 is a general model, and wont get a codex version, since it's basically included already

[gray jewel]

Wallet is the limiting factor 😩

[gray jewel]

So 5.4 is smarter than 5.3 Codex?

[kind jay]

Sorry mods

[gray jewel]

Why is half the time spent walking on egg shells around here 🤣

[high girder]

Sort of. 5.3 uses less tokens at the moment, and is good at executing tasks already planed out. 5.4 is better if you warm it up with some context first, and then let it get to work. It works faster and more accurately.

[gray jewel]

Nice

[high girder]

Just sweep up the eggshells and move on. Nobody has time for that.

[gray jewel]

I did notice that 5.4 feels a little less autonomous. Maybe i didn't let it warm up or somthing

[high girder]

More than likely. Giving it a job, but being explicit and giving extra details normally will mess up a model, but if you do it properly, you give the model a better framework to work inside, which gets you better results. Oh right, I need to put that paper out today

Prism is so useful

[gray jewel]

Prism?

[high girder]

https://openai.com/prism/

[kind jay]

Game over

[lean lark]

OK, a real Codex extension question: I have two VSCode windows open, to two different folders/repositories. I'm asking Codex a question in a task in one folder and realize it's talking about the other project. Bug or feature? How do we ensure/enforce that the assistant is working within the current workspace and subfolder system?

[gray jewel]

Hmm, didn't know they had that

[kind jay]

Feature, it can read the files on your computer

[boreal holly]

There might be a $REPO_ROOT/.vscode/config.json way to tweak that

Or whatever vscodes repo-scope config conventions are

Oh wait, if it's two separate folders idk how it would reconcile that difference internally

[high girder]

they use the same root location. You only need 1 instance open, but you can open both folders in a workspace instead. But I highly recommend keeping the project path in the context of codex to prevent that drift. Simply telling it to stay in a root folder does work

[lean lark]

I'm expecting the folder from which the current project is running. Like I was thinking it would do a pwd for the cwd on startup and work from there.

[high girder]

Don't forget to be explicit though, sometimes, a small assumption like that can create that sort of drift.

[boreal holly]

You might just ask it "What is your sandbox and writable roots, and cwd"

[high girder]

Side note. I'm still waiting for my Codex Pi 5

[lean lark]

we can certainly tell it but when we open a project/workspace that uses the extension I was expecting/assuming it operated in that folder. Kinda surprised it doesn't but quite willing to specify. I just don't like the idea of having to do that for each task. Doesn't see right. Codex Cloud is absolutely focused on the specified repo.

I'm gonna close windows down, restart, and see what the behavior is. Will look for a config setting.

[high girder]

You wont need to do it for each task. Which OS version of VSC are you on?