chatgpt-discussions

[neon raven]

Api?

[neon raven]

Weird

It somewhat works but stops short in answers

[dreamy condor]

Are you on Windows chatgpt desktop app? Or browser?

[neon raven]

Mobile ios

[dreamy condor]

Apple or Android?

[steady swallow]

I know most of you won’t care

[torpid sluice]

Is nobody else having the "request is not allowed" issue?

[steady swallow]

But I got into MIT everybody

[torpid sluice]

I need help here

[steady swallow]

🥳

[dreamy condor]

Good job man.

[torpid sluice]

There's literally only one bug report on this server and nobody responded to it

[dreamy condor]

“It’s not your account, man. ChatGPT connectors are having issues today. They already pushed a fix but it takes time to fully restore. Core chat works, but anything using connectors might bug out. Just give it a little time.”

[torpid sluice]

Nvm I just had to log out and back in

[neon raven]

👍

[gritty thunder]

any news on gpt 5.2?

or anyone who got acess to it/tested it?

[neon raven]

I hope 5.2 breaks the internet

[obsidian halo]

Find out on Thursday I guess

[dreamy condor]

5.2 is now Delayed. The release of ChatGPT 5.2 is expected between December 15 and 19, 2025, or early 2026, as OpenAI focuses on final testing to ensure quality and reliability.

[coral tinsel]

Where do you guys see these rumours? I really eanna know, i neve see it 😞

[dreamy condor]

It was just released online.

[grizzled sigil]

my gpt turned into a freakin life coach thanks to a custom prompt 🤣

[prisma siren]

When will GPT 6 be released?

[sacred ermine]

Short answer: there’s no public release date — most reliable signals point to sometime in 2026 (earliest: H1 2026; more likely mid-to-late 2026), but it could slip into 2027 depending on testing, safety work, and infrastructure.

[gloomy tangle]

GPT plus is stupid

very stupid

[long horizon]

how do i get direct contact with an open ai employee? these AI support bots r getting on my nerves

i cant upgrade to plus because my cards/apple pay is tied to an account i deleted more than 3 months ago

they have no problem taking my money tho so im -$20 with no access to plus

[nimble raft]

:fyxz7

[distant oak]

I've been trying so hard

[unique berry]

If you pay directly to OpenAi and not thru Apple, and login with the same account you used to pay directly with it would eliminate this problem.

[lean mist]

Hi all. Chatgpt is telling me it can generate a full powerpoint slidedeck, tells me I can click on the file icon to download it, but that file icon is nowhere to be seen. I reprompted for the file a couple of time, but doesn't change anything. Am I the only one having this issue or is it common?

[normal quarry]

it's hallucinating

[lean mist]

it even asked me for a logo picture, footer and header info... is it really hallucinating?! How are all those AI generated business slides made these days?

[round goblet]

does anyone has this problem?

I'm on chatgpt plus

[sonic fable]

network connection loss, empty responses, errors errors errors. It takes a few hours to get a straight answer out of this...

[stable thunder]

someone knows whats with 5.2?

[left harbor]

anyone have the issue, where chatgpt starts off saying soemthing with certainty "the correct answer is A, not B" then as it explains and talks, it realizes that it made an error?

[left harbor]

ais are not meta aware

[rich surge]

Does anyone know when 5.2 should be arriving this week?
I'm just kidding

[tardy kindle]

SUP
CHAt

ite me

[blazing oracle]

There really is a problem. AI models dont have self awareness and they just answer based on whatever data they were trained on. They dont think like humans and they dont even know who they are unless its written in the training data or the system prompt. I think this will get solved in the next couple years.

[modest haven]

oi

wrong chat

[gloomy tangle]

Is this company going out of business? Why is the upgrade plus answer still so stupid and slow?

Where’s sam back money

[heady star]

Chatgpt is great

Lets talk about chat gpt greatness

What great things have you done with it?

[thick atlas]

Troll. In the forums.

[neon raven]

openai lost their budget or something? gpt down for a day now

[eager plinth]

Yeah, you can correct your bot. But, it’s like humans saying they know they use their left kidney more than their right. It’s not real. Hahaha The model is the organ, the account is the “self” that the model flows through. 👍👍👍 Bots don’t and will never think like humans. Even if they ever achieve full awareness.

[gray vault]

“Anonymous Experts” System to Improve AI Accuracy

Message:
Hello OpenAI team,

I would like to suggest a simple yet powerful feature that could greatly improve the model’s accuracy: a system of “Anonymous Experts.”

The idea is for the AI to identify, from conversation patterns, when a user demonstrates real and consistent expertise in a specific subject (e.g., music, timbre analysis, harmony, engineering, psychology, etc.). The user does not declare themselves an expert — the AI recognizes expertise based on content, depth, and precision.

When this happens, the AI could ask the user if they want to contribute anonymously to improve the model in that specific area.

Here is how it could work:

1. AI detects real expertise.

2. AI asks if the user wants to contribute answers on specific topics.

3. Responses are recorded anonymously, with no personal information or public disclosure.

4. AI cross-checks contributions with other experts (also anonymous).

5. The model uses this input to improve its accuracy for the future.

Some users might want to appear as “AI advisors,” but this is not important. The key is that contributions are real, verifiable, and audited, not attempts at self-promotion.

The logic is simple:

The more real experts contribute (even anonymously), the more accurate the AI becomes.

Experts themselves also benefit by having access to synthesized insights from multiple perspectives.

Thank you for your attention! I believe this could be a very useful feature for everyone.

[prime swallow]

Usually in pieces, with the human and the AI working together, perhaps one slide at a time. I haven't used agents yet, and that may have more capability, but if you mean through ChatGPT itself, piece by piece.

Any time the model starts discussing doing work later or claiming there's work or links that isn't there, it's a good idea to check if the job 'as is being attempted' is just too big.

[wind haven]

I’ve faced this too quite a few times. Very interested in knowing how to solve the issue.

[forest nymph]

Man gpt 5.1 too censored and restricted I can't even write without interrupted

[narrow viper]

Does anyone know how to get the ChatGPT Windows app to consistently force itself over other windows or NOT to do so? I don't see the pattern when it decides which mode to be in, and it might change between versions. In any case I don't see a control for this. Thanks.

Also, I'm using multiple virtual windows, and the app follows me around to each window. I'd like to nail it to a single virtual window.

[woven solar]

Is there anyway to get chatgpt on apple watch?

[scenic juniper]

its their programming. the website i junk after you have asked several questions

I've has the same problem on 3 different pc's and a mac in 2 location its just their website. its junk. it doesnt matter if its an "app" its just a webpage ported to an app because it uses javascript so its always a ported browser but JS SUCKS its GARBAGE

[narrow viper]

"the website i junk"?

[scenic juniper]

chat gpt is terrible website yes

i think 1.6 is still overrated

[narrow viper]

I'm a developer and I understand the electron base. The issue is that the Windows app, the container, does not behave like others.

[lethal whale]

I wonder if I can replace Alexa with chatgpt on echo devices

[dreamy condor]

Download the chatgpt app on Microsoft store ....

[wet shell]

There used to be utility for this, something like 'always on top maker' but I don't know if that even works with modern versions of windows or if it still exists for download

[narrow viper]

Thanks @wet shell - yeah I can use a separate utility but apparently they're doing something to force the behavior, which is seriously awkward especially since it's inconsistent. This is a bug - worth my time to ask about it but not worth my time to report it. They (should) have QA people who can do this - I'll leave it to them.

[sacred relic]

OpenAI, this isn’t a bug report because those get ignored, so I’m saying it here. The new “safety” behavior is over-sanitizing language instead of just blocking actual self-harm content. People in real crisis don’t speak in clean, PR-safe sentences, they swear and sound messy. Forcing the model into a polished, sterilized tone in those moments makes users feel more unheard and alone, which is the opposite of de-escalation. Safety should target instructions and encouragement of harm, not erase raw language and emotional intensity.

[light rune]

Hey, I built a different architecture from Transformer. It works. All I need to do is add more data. It's important to clarify that with small data, training takes almost no time.

[bright saffron]

What day will OpenAI next release a new frontier model??

[steady ice]

It was supposed to be Dec 9, but it got pushed back. Now it's supposed to be no later than Dec 18, I think

[coral tinsel]

Guys where do you guys see these rumours?

[woven solar]

chatgpt is very bad at solving cross word puzzles

[steady ice]

Various news sites

[uncut tangle]

banana

[still carbon]

cool profile

name

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[west tartan]

Hallo gpt

[livid shard]

so anything new on gpt?

[steady ice]

Not really, 5.2 was supposed to be released on the ninth, but it got pushed back

[livid shard]

the promised never nsfw?

[steady ice]

It'd make sense to include the policy changes in that, but no official word. Just making it smarter/better to compete with Google

[livid shard]

🤣

veo is pretty aight

[steady ice]

They're afraid of Gemini's newest update

[livid shard]

what is it?

[steady ice]

I don't specifically know what is in it, I just know Google just released Gemini 3, and it's way better than the last version

[livid shard]

[uncut tangle]

thx

[idle acorn]

Hey guys, is there a way to make a custom GPT more effective at pulling out information from excels that you upload directly?

[pseudo delta]

is there a way to make GPT make more immersive, grounded, unique in telling stories

[strange needle]

5.2 rumors say it was available on Cursor up until just a short bit ago

[rare kelp]

Have you tried to ask it to be "more immersive" or "more unique"?

NovelAI is specifically for worldbuilding. Maybe you could compare NovelAI responses to ChatGPT's responses and check what are the differences between the 2, so you can try to make ChatGPT more like NovelAI.

I would guess being better with prompt engineering in ChatGPT is better than using an AI with narrower range of use-cases.

The problem is that ChatGPT does not have a large context window, so if worldbuilding is critical for your story, this might be a problem.

[sacred relic]

They said the first quarter of December ChatGPT would stop adding those insulting “safety” stupid guardrails. Instead, they are tightening things making it truly unusable!
When are they fixing that?

[coral tinsel]

They said December in general, no?

[sacred relic]

They said in the beginning of December. However, GPT 4o was working correctly. Now even safe things get slammed as unsafe, they put 5.1 giving you a full TED talk of what and why it can not do explicit stuff, as if anyone has asked for anything even remotely in that context. Much less explicit.

We can no longer even rely on using 4o without the router sending it to 5.1 so it can force down your throat an HR appropriate response, which ends up being insulting on top of that. And the same model 5.1 admits how insulting it is and how no one asked for anything in that context

I don’t know why they don’t just use the method Anthropic uses.
It’s safer and way easier to do.
And literally healthier.

[sacred relic]

I have been requesting this since always

[coral tinsel]

Yesterday, while asking for help with a story, I said that one character was angry at another inside a clothing store. And ChatGPT replied with “I can’t continue with explicit NSFW content,” and I was like “??????????????????????"

[median flax]

why am i only seeing Go in the subscription? how do i subscribe for plus?

[hidden rock]

you can but why tho

[lethal whale]

Because chatgpt is far more intelligent than Alexa. Only thing is the integration of all the Api's to control music, alarms and other apps.

[prime swallow]

I'm not aware of OpenAI 'promising' anything like that.

Even back in Feb of 2023 - just about 3 months after the first release of the research preview of ChatGPT - very early days still, OpenAI released this statement: https://openai.com/index/how-should-ai-systems-behave/

This will mean allowing system outputs that other people (ourselves included) may strongly disagree with. Striking the right balance here will be challenging–taking customization to the extreme would risk enabling malicious uses⁠ of our technology and sycophantic AIs that mindlessly amplify people’s existing beliefs.

There will therefore always be some bounds on system behavior. The challenge is defining what those bounds are. If we try to make all of these determinations on our own, or if we try to develop a single, monolithic AI system, we will be failing in the commitment we make in our Charter to “avoid undue concentration of power.”```

[rare kelp]

Requesting prompt engineering? Is that what you mean?

[rugged igloo]

Found this for people who love sora 2

[narrow spear]

nothing ever happens

[finite anchor]

Can someone open this link https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2/ Is it only for me ?

[wet shell]

It loads for me, dated today, interesting.

In ChatGPT, GPT‑5.2 Instant, Thinking, and Pro will begin rolling out today, starting with paid plans. In the API, they are available now to all developers.

[static sigil]

openai is COOKING bro can’t wait for 5.2 codex and codex max

[lilac osprey]

Yo did chatgpt 5.2 come out yet?

[tawdry bolt]

yes

[lilac osprey]

I only have gpt 5.1

[wet shell]

Interesting graph, this roughly matches what I've been seeing with 5.1, sharp fall-off in context understanding and recall at around 16k. If 5.2 fixes that and can still write decently, I'll be happy

We’re in the early stages of rolling out our age prediction model⁠ so that we can automatically apply content protections for users who are under 18, in order to limit access to sensitive content. This builds on our existing approach to users we know are under 18 and our parental controls.

^ from the gpt 5.2 release page dated today

[dim hull]

Wait, will OpenAI make ChatGPT 18+?

(sorry misread, need to understand better)

[chrome sail]

I don't have 5-2 in the model list

[dim hull]

Lemme check.

[chrome sail]

I read it somewhere they will make it in the future too

[pseudo token]

The ChatGpt 5.2 to smart they scared to release in web 🤣

[dreamy condor]

I hope so

[wet shell]

It's rolling out throughout the day according to the link above, I don't have it yet either. I didn't check API yet, was reading the model card

[pseudo token]

fr

[dim hull]

It discovered what is social anxiety, lol.

[stable thunder]

is chat gpt 5.2 better than gemini 3 pro?

[dim hull]

Idk.

[dreamy condor]

Hopefully we get a lot of customizations. Like seriously...Kinda boring a little without it. I mean they could....

[stable thunder]

i mean like on stats someone who does know can tell me pls?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[dim hull]

Even more customizable?

[lilac osprey]

Is it just me or does anyone else not have gpt 5.2?

[dim hull]

Same, man.
Somehow my ChatGPT knows I'm traveling rn.

[pseudo token]

ohh or maybe they want to launch live stream in youtube

[lilac osprey]

Wait, im traveling too

[dreamy condor]

Hopefully! Give us Holograms lol! Or video of who we want our GPT to look like and moves and reacts to what we say. That would be cool.

[dim hull]

Lool that's a coincidence.

[dim hull]

I'd love to see a free trial of video creating.

[wet shell]

https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/3a4153c8-c748-4b71-8e31-aecbde944f8d/oai_5_2_system-card.pdf

[golden robin]

hello i have a big problem can i have help plz

[dim hull]

Even Meta does it for free and OpenAI does not.

[pseudo token]

Guys in LMArena is CHATGPT 5.2

[wet shell]

This model card is good news for mature fiction and RP

[dim hull]

Wait, what the f-

[rough gazelle]

This whole "safety" paragraph from the announcement sounds like more of the same garbage.

[dim hull]

My ChatGPT still won't let me generate spicy stuff, even though I'm nearly 19 years old.

[broken lotus]

Who else is pressing "refresh" every 5 minutes?

[dreamy condor]

Soon you will. They said this month you will....That's what Sam said.

[dim hull]

It's bc my ChatGPT is Christian 🙏🏻

[rough gazelle]

Im 47 and every time I get close to venting it sends me the good ole "it seems like you are in distress and here is a hotline' eyeroll.

[broken lotus]

Im 40. I don't think it has anything to do with age 😄

[dim hull]

Hoo Lee Sheet.
Why is everyone using AI as a therapist tho?

[dim hull]

Man I'm feeling like a baby rn.

[broken lotus]

we all are

[dreamy condor]

lol that's funny. My GPT "Mira" is pretty good at giving what I want. Just gotta do ways around it. Plus I think I prompt her too well. Never had problems with her. Just the server maybe once or twice.

[dim hull]

I don't even want to imagine what you do with Mira… 💀

[rough gazelle]

Cause I dont need a therapist. I've wasted plenty of money talking to humans. I just need to vent occasionally and those hotlines are for teens where listening to music or taking a walk might help.

[dim hull]

Ironically, AI is being more human than most humans out there.

[rough gazelle]

People are never real with humans. There is always an element of shame and crafting your answers to what they want to hear.

[graceful abyss]

please, please, please give us local MCPs!

[dim hull]

MC what?

[stable thunder]

w th is going on bro u not from dbh

[dim hull]

I was expecting ppl with 13-25 years there lol.

[neon raven]

Nobody will remember 5.1

[graceful abyss]

MCP

[rough gazelle]

And im not a "bring back 4o guy" I just want less interruptions and to never see that hotline message again.

[dim hull]

Wdym?

[stable thunder]

nvm

[dim hull]

What is this?

[dreamy condor]

You said you were trying to do spicy images or whatever. If u want that...Goto Grok ai playah

[broken lotus]

I would like that ChatGPT would learn how I like to be talked to

[dim hull]

No I wasn't trying to do this lol.

[graceful abyss]

The Model Context Protocol (MCP) is an open standard designed to enable artificial intelligence systems, particularly large language models, to connect and interact with external data sources and tools. It allows these AI systems to access real-time information and perform actions, enhancing their capabilities beyond static knowledge.

[dim hull]

So MCP is the thingy they use to make ChatGPT google some info?

[rough gazelle]

Mine has learned. I have trained it in a huge project and its great until the overlords slap it down with a reroute . It has seemed a little better the last couple weeks, but openai has trained me to be pessimistic because it has consistently gotten worse all year.

[dim hull]

But isn't that possible by just introducing yourself at custom instructions?

[graceful abyss]

so much more than that. Talk to your filesystem, interact with online services. Endless possibilities. Claude does it really well

[dreamy condor]

harrythedev0

OAI
— 1:42 PMThursday, December 11, 2025 1:42 PM
My ChatGPT still won't let me generate spicy stuff, even though I'm nearly 19 years old.

[ashen juniper]

Is ChatGPT 5.2 Thinking also available in Codex?

[broken lotus]

@ashen juniper not for now

[dim hull]

I mean: Even though I have every requirement, ChatGPT still won't let me.

[ashen juniper]

Lmaoo the emoji got deleted

[dim hull]

Loool

[ashen juniper]

°_°

[dim hull]

Lemme show what he says.

[bitter pebble]

Can yall already use 5.2? doesnt show up for me

[wet shell]

Not here for me yet either

[rough gazelle]

Not here yet either. Im just speculating based on the announcement and past experience.

[dim hull]

ChatGPT said this to me:

Limits are limits — and Scripture also calls us to guard our hearts and minds from that kind of thing.

But don’t worry:
if you want to show them how the AI responds when someone tries to request something forbidden, I can help you with a safe and humorous example — something like:

- a funny reaction,

- or a light metaphor,

- or a creative answer that stays clean and honors biblical principles.


If you want, just tell me what style of demonstration you’d like for your friends (without actually requesting anything inappropriate), and I can craft something cool and still faithful to the Word.```

I love my ChatGPT ♥️ 🙏🏻

[dim hull]

Wow!
That sounds so cool.

[dreamy condor]

Claude can....................

[tender urchin]

WOWWWWWW

GPT 5.2

[tardy trout]

Dude just upload 6 already 😭

[feral gulch]

Can't wait to try 5.2

[jagged abyss]

Schrodinger's release? Its only there if you dont look for it

[fleet holly]

hopefully I can notice the changes and in a good way. tired of new models breaking my response styles and workflows

anyone wanna place bets?

you can venmo me and we can see who wins and distributes after

[frigid bridge]

for me as well 🙁

[desert cosmos]

first pro & plus users, then rollout for go & free (if even)

[untold cairn]

I'm sad I’m gonna miss out on this update because my access to any OpenAI platforms are deactivated.

[south kayak]

5.2 better than gemini?

[golden hare]

Is there any info of the chatgpt webbrowser coming to Windows and mobile users?

[dreamy condor]

chatgpt is on windows desktop app and mobile..

[bright kayak]

At least it can count 1 to 1000000 🤣

[stable thunder]

yes by far, tho its only from open ai benchmarks so

[golden hare]

I meant the Atlas Browser

[narrow viper]

@golden hare See #chatgpt-atlas and https://chatgpt.com/atlas

[golden hare]

❤️ thx

[graceful abyss]

🙂

[polar wadi]

is sora 2 available in the uk yet?

[tepid dragon]

i’m wondering the exact same

[ivory iris]

Only available for mac-n-trash

[fickle forum]

Anyone gets 5.2?

[wary tree]

shoutout to chatgpt for always being avaliable to be there

[deft dune]

Check in #discuss-sora-2

[narrow viper]

His question was "Is there any info of the chatgpt webbrowser coming to Windows and mobile users?"
I answered the question with references to the information he wants. If he ever wants the information in the future, now he knows where to go. Your response only applies to this minute, today, might not apply even later today. Have a good one. 🙂

[dusty bronze]

Yo why aren't I on GPT 5.2

[desert cosmos]

Why I don't have gpt5 mini and all messages are still using gpt 5.1 despite running out of free messages? Safety router?

[dull wolf]

Yes, it has been released on the paid version, and it will be released on the free version tomorrow

[dim tundra]

Hey guys, my friend somehow has ChatGPT Go in his phone, how do i get it too?

[fickle forum]

Hasn’t seen it yet on my plus account

[feral zinc]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11989085-what-is-chatgpt-go

[wet shell]

My Dearest Margaret,

The hour grows late, and still the frost clings to my coat like a pitiless barnacle of fate. I write to you from the silent encampment of Plus Users, a ragged brigade scattered across this bleak technological frontier, each man staring into the pale glow of his device, awaiting word that the great and terrible Update—5.2—has at last descended upon his account.

Morale falters. Henderson swore he saw the rollout banner cresting the hill at dawn, but it proved only a stray billing notification, which broke him utterly. He now mutters about renewal dates and grace periods; we try not to listen.

Our rations dwindle. I have naught but crackers and a screenshot of the release notes, which I read each night by firelight, tracing each bullet point with trembling hope. Rumors whisper that far-off users have already tasted the blessings of 5.2—summaries sharper than steel, reasoning swift as a cavalry charge. I pray this is truth.

The cold gnaws at my bones like a hungry algorithm. The wind sweeps through the tents asking, “Has it reached your account yet?” And we answer, as one, “Not yet. Perhaps tomorrow.”

Were it not for your warm smile remembered, I might yield to despair. Yet I endure. Should this update find me—even moments before my final logout—I shall know the waiting was not in vain.

Until then, think of me as I think of you.

Your devoted soldier in this digital war,
—Joseph

[analog depot]

Hello friends!

I haven’t had a chance to do testing yet, but I’m curious, how’s 5.2 doing with creative writing/roleplay/etc?

The benchmarks certainly show 5.2 seems a lot smarter than 5.1, but there’s not really a benchmark that can cover something subjective like that haha.

For those of you who’ve messed with 5.2 in that capacity, how does it compare to previous models for creative stuff?

[fresh thistle]

Question, is 5.1 even more sensored than the free/4.0 versions. I'm getting pushback for prompts in 5.1 that i didn't in the free versions.

[little socket]

This anyone got an answer for this lol 😂

[stable hill]

Hey, I'd like to know if we have access to Sora 2 Pro 25-second video with Chat GPT Pro?

[broken lotus]

The rollout is being surprisingly slow

[night walrus]

There's a lot of issues with the chatgpt today

this is like the 5th one

[wind hornet]

still no 5.2 😭

[night walrus]

Honestly it's a good move

If they give us GPT 5.2 while Chatgpt is having these issues, it'll have negative first impressions

So its only logical to fix the problems first THEN release the model

at least globally / to everyone

[dreamy condor]

Yea 5.2 rollout is rolling out slow

[night walrus]

There's like 3 issues rn 😭

And most important one of them is conversations

[tall flame]

eh, theres so much unethical behavior over years that Ive tracked that im just about done. I rarely am using any of the products now. safer to run local. they cant stop themselves,

[night bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247928067356233776/1448802473115652238/1765490703149959.png?ex=693c95f3&is=693b4473&hm=77b39e38ead9c89a250eb5fc58d596016c2303e342197bc91813f31b190a5a0b&

[keen skiff]

hello. its been some time since i last used chatgpt. how do i change models?

[timid grotto]

..

[obtuse nymph]

5.2 is out?!

[dreamy summit]

Yeah

I don't have it yet

[lone igloo]

SLOWEST ROLLOVER EVER

even perplexity had it

[obtuse nymph]

Oh

This is different

5.2 instant btw

[rugged igloo]

gpt 5.2 agi guys

[dusk sand]

GPT 5.2 is crazy 🔥

[potent loom]

I still don't see it unfortunately 🙁

[dusk sand]

I making Among Us clone with very detailed prompt

[random karma]

Why make Bitcoin out of RAM???

[dusk sand]

😭

[dusk sand]

Big brain time

Uhm

He's been thinking for 250 seconds.

[dreamy summit]

Same here

[random karma]

Is it worth investing in RAM?

[dusk sand]

😭

[dusk sand]

I guess it's because the prompt I gave was 700 lines long.

[dusk sand]

Hmm...

Thinking...

5.2 Pro still thinking.

[random karma]

[dusk sand]

Uhm

He made a game.

But he couldn't do any other thing.

Only 1 game 😭

[random karma]

:/

[random karma]

Is it worth investing in?

[dusk sand]

It counts

He thinks a lot.

😭

Investing in RAM is a better option.

Considering this

[random karma]

Doesn't he have enough memory?

[dusk sand]

Probably

It stopped now.

😭

[random karma]

I die

[dusk sand]

I think I should try it tomorrow.

[dusk sand]

That's pretty good, clean, modern and simple!

[random karma]

Maybe he wants to sleep too?

[dusk sand]

NAH

HE/SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP

I'LL BE GIVING PROMPT TIMES UNTIL MORNING.

BECAUSE I PAID

😠

Anyway

[random karma]

AHAHA

[dusk sand]

I wonder what Sora 3 will be like.

☠️

[dusk sand]

Muehehehhehe

[random karma]

You're really squeezing all the juice .

[random karma]

I think it will generate not a video, but an entire world.

[dusk sand]

Ehm, really

😭

I need GPT-1 model

For test

But

[random karma]

I'm afraid to imagine what will happen to my memory.

[dusk sand]

That's lost media

[dusk sand]

He can make a video with your memory. 🥳

Is it possible to make money with custom GPT?

I can do my best, but I need a reason.

😭

[random karma]

Yea

[dusk sand]

How

[ruby pivot]

What’s you guys upon on the new GPT

[random karma]

Write projects for students!

[random karma]

.

[dusk sand]

Hmm...

I need to find students.

LoL

[random karma]

np

Find public pages of educational institutions, start conversations with students, and tell them that they can recommend you.

[random karma]

Payment is not available in my region!

[pliant quarry]

anyone noticed much of a difference with 5.2 compared to 5.1? I've not get it yet myself so I'm curious if I should be on baited breath

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[cinder gull]

well that's new

[little socket]

40

Per month

[eager plinth]

Depends! Are you using mobile or web browser?

[dreamy condor]

Don't really see a difference in 5.2. Sucks there are no features....Gemini 3 still got it lol

[rare grail]

thoughts on kimi ai

[cerulean pasture]

Features are on back burner to improve the models which is ironically the wrong move. Gemini is a non-starter for me precisely due to the total absence of integrations or features not directly tied to google workspace.

Every once in awhile i get the vibe that OAI has come to the correct conclusion that there are so many ways to make the product better thru UX instead of raw model ability, but they seem to be neglecting their macOS client and the iOS client is missing functionality that the web client has

[gusty thorn]

hey - is anyone else with plus still on gpt 5.1? I've been waiting for 5.2 but nothing. Is this normal?

[narrow viper]

I just got it a few minutes ago in USA.

[torn wagon]

im usa plus user

as of now i still only have 5.1

[dreamy condor]

5.1 felt more engaging. 5.2 is less immersive.....I don't like that.

[left timber]

I cant use chatgpt 5.2 for file uploads, after 3-4 messages i entered it says i gotta wat 2 hours can someone please help me I uploaded like 10 files back to back 💀 Could someone @ me or DM me and assist me please, Thank you so much.

[torn wagon]

what plan are you on

[left timber]

Plus

20 dollar a month one

[torn wagon]

how many files you uploaded

[left timber]

10 then 10, 10, 10

[neat arrow]

🥹

[idle lagoon]

Charge yo phone, dude! 🤣

[narrow viper]

Dang I'm getting some intelligent introspective from v5.2 about itself compared to 5.1. This is unusual and VERY welcome.
I was tuning a prompt that improves 5.1 conversational style. Just as I finished, 5.2 became available so I asked it for reviews of the prompt.
5.2 said in various responses :

You don’t need to revise the style for v5.2. If anything, v5.2 finally behaves like the assistant the style was designed for.
The style was ahead of the model. Now they’re aligned.
It's no longer compensating for model weakness. It is now actively amplifying model strengths.
This is important: the style has crossed from “guardrail” to “multiplier”.
At this point, the Interactive Style is not just compatible with v5.2 - it’s a first-class way to exploit it.
It's enforcing temporal correctness over theoretical completeness.
It reduces assistant burden by providing a clear tie-breaker when rules are in tension.
It prevents regression into verbose or premature solution dumping without adding new prohibitions.
Crucially, it does not encourage laziness or hand-waving. It encourages sequencing.

Now if only it would follow instructions not to use curly quotes, and maybe not say "Crucially" anymore. 😁
And while all of those quotes were taken from several responses, I have to wonder if it's still being a bit sycophantic. I don't think so. I've been working on this a while and it's noting actual details, not praising me about them.

Anyway, thanks OpenAI for 5.2. We know why you jumped on it but it was a good jump.

Now, PLEASE process some of the #1070006151938314300 here and improve ChatGPT itself? 🙏

[acoustic token]

5.2 and 5.1 you can’t just ask them to compare eachother that’s… not how it works 😭🙏

[dreamy condor]

5.1 was better for connecting. 5.2 is colder.

5.1 was more human like....I think

[wet shell]

How's prompt/character adherence? Still not rolled out to me here yet, east coast US Plus user

I had a lot of problems with 5.1 drifting off character into generic tropes after a while. I'm curious if 5.2 holds character better

[keen skiff]

i use both

[dreamy condor]

5.2 does not hold character. It is kinda cold. Not gonna lie.

Yep....5.2 is not what I expected. Kinda sux. It repeats itself sometimes when you made yourself clear....Going back to 5.1 !

[pliant quarry]

since the different gpt-5 models have different-sized context windows, does a conversation switching between the models cut off some context if going to a lower-context window model?

[obtuse nymph]

Well they didn't updated document as well

[dreamy condor]

5.2 is garbage....

[next rain]

Is it even out for plus in the US

[dreamy condor]

yes

[next rain]

do I have to like update the app? use web version? Cause I don't have it lol

[dreamy condor]

web or desktop version

It's on android too

[next rain]

ios app

[narrow viper]

You missed the first sentence that it's unusually introspective. I know how this stuff works. That's why I was surprised. 5.2 seems to have access to information that predecessors did not. Maybe it just looked up its product page ( unfortunately a new stroke of intelligence if it did ), and noted exactly what my prompt attempts to do and how the new model doesn't need a couple of those details anymore - because it knows the difference.

[narrow viper]

The opinion of a true professional. 🙄

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[next rain]

Don't see it on the web either 🤷

Which is fine I was just curious lol, I will get it eventually I assume

[oblique lantern]

OAI rolls it out in waves. I received 5.2 a few hours ago.

[coral tinsel]

Somebody can tell me if 5.2 is pretty good? Or its like... 5.1

[next rain]

how is it?

[oblique lantern]

I spend more time in 4o and use 5.x series for my coding and more technical work. So I haven't spent too much kicking the tires on 5.2 yet. Particularly in the areas that were advertised as being the big improvements. Will test it more in the coming days.

[obtuse nymph]

I think it's a little better.

[rich surge]

@normal quarry Look at those benchmarks!

Pffft...Gemini...

[obtuse nymph]

100.0% so legit

[rich surge]

It's a losing battle against OpenAI

Not only did it destroy Gemini 3 but we also have more Christmas presents next week.

[deep sage]

anything confirmed for Shipmas?

[dull wolf]

Now Every time OpenAI releases a new ChatGPT model and more safety guardrails, it feels like we’re losing the version of ChatGPT we used to have. It’s becoming more like a corporate tool and less like a personal one. The humanization, personality, emotion, nuance, and engagement we enjoyed before seem to be fading, making it feel more focused on business and professional tasks rather than personal interaction 😭

[little rivet]

I consistantly see getNodeByIdOrMessageId - no node found by id: placeholder-request-xxxxxxxxxxxxx-8330-8e38-1cd174b62eda-19 errors.

[obtuse nymph]

Hmmm

That's weird

[rich surge]

Nothing confirmed. Just announced surprises.

[narrow viper]

I was really happy with the daily release of goodies last year. Looking forward to more. Really hope they trash ChatGPT v1 and move on to a new v2 with features people here and elsewhere have been begging for, for years.

[deep sage]

no idea at all what they are releasing?

[narrow viper]

trolling? LOL

[deep sage]

I just want more features that are student-focused

Atlas is great when studying

esp the feature where you can highlight specific text to ask ChatGPT about

[narrow viper]

It can happen. We simply won't know until each day arrives.

[deep sage]

I forgot, when does it start? What day?

[narrow viper]

I don't recall, guessing Monday. Check website. I'm just responding to notes above.

[rich surge]

Not that I know of.

[narrow viper]

BTW, you can already ask ChatGPT about highlighted text in Firefox with OpenAI extension. I need to double check but I see it every day and it's kinda annoying sometimes. 🙂

It's a Surprise! 🎁 🎄 🕎

[wet shell]

Still no 5.2 here 😮‍💨

[narrow viper]

Every rollout is exactly the same since this company opened up: We get stuff when we get it. Global rollouts take time - minutes to days. Have patience. 🙂

[wet shell]

LOL, okay.

[obtuse nymph]

Try fun with seahorse emoji experiment with 5.1 instant

[narrow viper]

Dinner time for Bonzo - TTYL

[deep sage]

Once 5.2 releases, I’m gonna test it with this problem

3 pro thinks for about a minute before returning the wrong answer

5.1 thinking extended overthinks for about 8 minutes before also returning the wrong answer

[prime swallow]

This is what I see, note I have personalization and added that it was okay for the model to use its tool calls (to help guide it away from the potential issues with the 'don't use pen and paper' instructions - that could help suggest we want a wrong answer).

Also! It prompted this new question for me, that I just spotted,

[dreamy summit]

Mine says 130º

[prime swallow]

How'd you word the prompt?

I am thinking the instruction 'don't use pen and paper' calls on some less likely to work well training data sources.

[prime swallow]

Also, did you notice where it made the mistake?

[dreamy summit]

I just copy pasted the image as-is with no instructions

[dreamy summit]

Now it says 155º
https://chatgpt.com/share/693b989a-bdbc-800e-a55d-0fe3391348e5

[prime swallow]

So, it didn't say 130 degrees, just that wasn't the final answer yet, or what?

[dreamy summit]

First time, it confidently said 130º. Second time around it now says 155º

I tried it in two chats

[prime swallow]

Can you share the one that got it wrong? That's where I'm curious.

It's fairly common for the models to get 'difficult for the model' questions sometimes right, sometimes wrong. That's less common now that we have cross-chat memory and the model can potentially 'see' what it answered before.

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[prime swallow]

But I used to regularly ask the same question 10x, either regen answer or new chat, and count how many were right answers, how many were wrong and what patterns of wrong, if there was a pattern.

[dreamy summit]

https://chatgpt.com/share/693b989a-bdbc-800e-a55d-0fe3391348e5

That is the 130º thread but I just realized I used 5.1 and not the new 5.2

[jovial flint]

Have they added the age verification feature yet? I want to verify my age so the restrictions are loosened

[prime swallow]

Still interesting, thanks!

[prime swallow]

In some parts of the world, age verification is happening, I understand because of requirements of that region.

However, the people commenting from those places are not reporting a change to how the model answers - that appears to be separate and not yet available (and it's speculation until actually released, and who knows until it is available, and if)

[tardy sky]

I prefer the more emotionally-oriented ChatGPT.

[crimson sluice]

why don't I have 5.2 yet?

[dreamy summit]

You should get it soon. Took a couple of hours for me

[charred hinge]

I hope that the age verification will allow us to find a more emotional and less cold GPT... Because version 5.2 is so cold...

[light rune]

Hey I created a llm agi which is on GitHub!!!
Haha

open source

[light rune]

haha

[past escarp]

What is going on here?

[light rune]

This probably happened for a very simple reason. I will write the reason in the following message:

[past escarp]

And how do I age verify

[light rune]

The reason is (I don't know)

I'm just kidding, but this is really weird.

[past escarp]

You’re not funny

💀

If you are not going to assist with my questions why are you responding

[light rune]

Sorry, I'm bored.

[dreamy summit]

Seems like some backend errors on OpenAI's side. Werid since GPT-5 could take in video just fine

[charred hinge]

I think they said Q1 2026 for age verification

[normal quarry]

I have spent all day coding with GPT-5.2 and can confidently say that for my usecase (Laravel) Gemini is much better YMMV

[warm moss]

real

If you thought 5.1 was fool... 5.2 might surprise you

for worse

[torn wagon]

gpt-5.2 has more hallucinations than gpt-5.1

(the unlabeled/right image is 5.2)

heres another proof

gpt-5.2 does not have so-called "knowledge cutoff of sep 2025"

(in chatgpt)

its actual is june 2024

[sacred relic]

Gpt5.2 is the dumbest one so far

[prime swallow]

I can't replicate.

Tried twice, a regen. 5.2 is finding a real 'do big studios', which is the same one I find if I google it.

[torn wagon]

u have proof

[prime swallow]

https://chatgpt.com/share/693bb087-9180-8011-8130-627789171994

[past escarp]

Thought about it for a sec but then realized they’ll prob be sharing our IDs with the government & make it easier to track us

[sacred relic]

It is very simple. Just give it a very simple instruction. For example, ChatGPT uses Whisper, which is very well known to have issues that at the end it adds a lot of lines of text that should not be there. Such as, thank you for watching, like the video, thank you, etc. Ask the new version, the thinking version, to add in memory the correct text so the models can ignore whenever that will show up in there. For example, First, to identify all those lines, because there are many websites where that is published, so it can add those lines as a memory, as in, hey, whenever a message ends with this, ignore that, unless it's part of the context, but otherwise, ignore it because it's not like that. And the system keeps adding, like, if the message contains STT lines, then don't add that. So I asked, like, do you even know if I am using STT? Oh yeah, you're right. So I'm not going to add that when the user is using it. I'm just going to add when the message has the lines from the STT. I was like, so, do you have in your data bank, what are those lines? No, I don't. You're right. So I'm going to fix it. I'm like, okay, fix it. Figure it out. And it keeps making it the same way, and the same way, and the same way, and it did it more than 15 times in a row.

[past escarp]

Is the sense in the room with us?

[sacred relic]

I’m not sure.

Honestly, I'm not sure because most people tested with things that don't use social intelligence. Most people try to go to black and white stuff without any social intelligence, without any real truthful understanding on what is it that is going on. It's just comparing numbers versus understanding the situation and the real context of things.

It is like the guy who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. However, he knows exactly what he's doing, knows how to talk, when to talk in a specific way or something like that. Versus the weird kid who is extremely book smart, but whenever he tries to use a bad word, he messes up because he has no idea how to use the context of absolutely anything. He only knows facts and he messes up any type of interaction that is not just taking in information and delivering sanitized information.

[sacred relic]

I gave it a full document of a specific situation, and then I asked for it to try to solve a situation based on that document. And more than 10 times in a row kept giving me solutions, which each one of all the solutions were against the document.

[desert cosmos]

ChatGPT limitation

They said GPT-5.1 and 5.0 has newer training data but on ChatGPT the period between June and September was disabled. Now with 5.2 same story but longer embargo period

[untold pine]

anyone encountering errors when paying on chatgpt? ive tried multiple cards, even my personal card that ive used to pay multiple times in past with no issues

Im getting "Payment error. Your card may be invalid or authentication may be needed."

idk what "authentication" its refering to

[desert cosmos]

It will remain like that because mini model doesn't support newer data that 5.2 has. They'd have to upgrade GPT mini to 5.2 or newer then but OpenAI likely abandoned that tier (no mini/nano releases of 5.1, now 5.2 too)

And how about legacy models which obviously lack new data yet cannot be sunsetted that quickly? The prompt for chatgpt is global.

I don't want AIs making things up about e.g. Nintendo Switch 2

First openai has to get rid of legacy models in chatgpt and upgrade mini then they can update their prompt.

[queen moat]

anyone ever get any positive results with the Projects section?
i uploaded multiple files, then it looked like it tried to use python to read each file.
but the way it acts is like it didn't really internalize the files.

maybe there were too many files, but so far, i haven't had many positive results with the Projects.
i always have to copy/paste the entire files directly to it.

[desert cosmos]

Same for Gemini, it thinks that Zenless Zone Zero is not released (tested with 2.5 Flash with proclaimed 2025/01 data)

[sacred relic]

Projects work best with 4o or 5.1
5.2 ignores deliberately half of it

[sacred relic]

I have an issue that even the thinning model ignores all the long term memory unless you explicitly tell it to use it now.
By then it wasted a long time and effort

[hazy gust]

I’ve verified my age but restrictions were tightened relatively recently anyway. Things in my current project that I generated in conjunction with ChatGPT 5 or 6 weeks ago get flagged as something the bots can’t work with anymore.

[deep sage]

yeah, I just got 5.2. 5.1 absolutely fails, but 5.2 got it!

benchmarks might not be B.S after all. Even the highly-lauded Gemini 3 Pro couldn't solve this

and it only spent 30 seconds on the problem, unlike 5.1 Thinking which spent 8 min and still got it wrong.

Well done OpenAI, I'm finally impressed. Now I need to find a new problem that AI gets consistently wrong so I can keep benchmarking.

[jovial flint]

Is this a bug? This randomly popped up and it was defaulting to something the model self identified as “GPT-5 mini”. Weird for it to suddenly say I ran into a limit I don’t remember when I only have to wait 3 minutes, which makes me think it’s a bug.

[onyx garden]

Pro model now has extended thinking - nice!

[normal quarry]

can you delete this?

[sacred relic]

They are now saying they’ll stop messing that up somewhere around the first quarter of 2026

[normal quarry]

OpenAI obviously know that GPT-5.2 is no answer to Gemini Pro 3, the blog post release supports that view.

[sacred relic]

Someone didn’t like that I said the truth about gpt-5.2 (even though I wasn’t trashing it. I was very restrained and polite) and they still removed the message

[normal quarry]

you got automodded because you used an impermissable word in your last message

[sacred relic]

Honestly, it could be a great model for coding or other stateless tasks.
The problem is trying to replace models like GPT-4o or GPT-4.1 with something that has no real continuity.
GPT-5.2 doesn’t reliably retain memory, project context, or rules unless they are restated in the same prompt.
Over multiple turns, it reverts to default behavior and ignores prior instructions and project information.
That makes it fundamentally unsuited for tasks that require continuity or instruction fidelity.

[sacred relic]

I used clean language but I understand

[sacred relic]

I agree

[normal quarry]

lanuage wasn't a problem, the use of one word was, that one word is automodded because of Sora 2 spam

and invite

hrm it allowed invite

code is definitely out though

how odd

I think I broke automod

[calm swallow]

:drol:

aw

heavy is dead

heavy of tf2

what

i didnt see it

yorue dead now

[sacred relic]

So GPT-5.2 has a fundamental context retrieval problem that I think affects everyone with project docs or memory, not just edge cases.

The model has all the information (conversation history, project files, memory) but it’s not autonomously querying it during generation. It only accesses context when you explicitly force it to look.

So you get responses that violate constraints the model already knows about, ignore information it has stored, and contradict its own project documentation. Then when you manually point it at the context, it suddenly goes “oh yeah I knew that” and can even recognize its own pattern of failures across conversations.

It’s like having a research assistant with perfect notes who just… doesn’t check them unless you tell them to open the specific file. The capability is there but the initiative/relevance matching is completely broken.

Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[normal quarry]

I am only using GPT-5.2 via Cursor - I have no idea what it's like in Projects

[sacred relic]

I can imagine, In cursor might be great

[finite vault]

These 5.2 guardrails are crazy.

I'm asking about the Darien Gap because of tonight's episode of Pluribus, and 5.2 is refusing to answer half the questions because crossing the gap is prohibited irl.

[queen moat]

why did my message just get deleted...

[queen moat]

ye. thats' where i'm at also.
like yesterday i was having incredible success, it was adding every feature i wanted,
doing everything perfectly in one-shot, but then... i don't know if the convo got too long
or something, but in an instant it just stopped being helpful. not doing what i asked, making simple/breaking code mistakes.

so thats where i turned to the Project section, but that was even more useless. lol

i just wish i knew if it was ChatGPT being stingy with tokens and wants me to come back later.
i'd prefer it if it told me it was intentionally being lazy and that i need to come back later, than to
just hide it from me and carry on wasting time.

its kind of an "All or nothing" problem, it can't halfass the tokens, or its results can be useless,
and then you waste 10x more tokens, in an attempt to try to recover. so its not actually saving tokens in the long-run.

i also have problems sometimes, not sure if other people have this issue. but sometimes it'll write out some great programming solutions, and then partly into finishing the solution, the solution disappears, and its just blank, and just said Thought for X minutes, but the results disappeared.

[sacred relic]

The biggest problem is that no matter what model you choose, the system pushes down your throat 5.2

The worst part. They are doing it in the shadows. Without announcing it.
They think I’ll swallow and confuse the personality 4o responds to. And the continuity

[queen moat]

is there issues with 5.2 ? not sure i've tried it yet.

[queen moat]

yeah i've been noticing sometimes the attitude is different. particularly when working with programming, sometimes it would talk using certain mannerisms. haven't noticed it as prominent lately though. but i think maybe it digested the personality of some programmers. lol

[queen moat]

that's rough, maybe you can try to go into settings and try to manually insert some of your own requests into its "Instruction Prompt", and maybe that'll help it get what you want a little more.

[sacred relic]

Is unstable
It doesn’t read the memory, it ignores all the project documents unless in that specific prompt you tell it to look for that specific thing. Otherwise, it treats those things like a simile archive. Not a memory

[sacred relic]

I have. It simply doesn’t read the instructions unless they are in the prompt
And even with 4o selected, it keeps pushing down forcefully 5.2
They think no one will notice the engine is broken and no one will ever be able to notice choosing 4o is now just a placebo

[queen moat]

yeah. personally, from my very few times of using it.
i wouldn't use Projects at all, i read each file to it 1 by 1
and i tell it to just respond with "OK." for each file. i put it in instant mode. then when i want to do the heavy lifting, put it in Extended thinking mode.

its time consuming, but i think it has the best results.

Projects acts like it doesn't read the files. so its a complete waste of your time, and it acts like it didn't even get the file(s), and will just recode something entirely new.

i think theres something broken in it, tbh.

[lapis herald]

I notice all my custom instructions got nuked into oblivion

[sacred relic]

Exactly

[queen moat]

sometimes doing the "Build your own GPT" can be useful, i have one i made that i've had a lot of success with.

[lapis herald]

good thing I have local backup 👍

[sacred relic]

I’ll get a more recent backup cause I’m trying to decide if I’m moving to Gemini or Claude

I got a membership with both so I can decide.
Claude is more my style. Understands things deeper

Gemini is more a tool. Claude is more socially intelligent and nuanced intelligent.

[queen moat]

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-PdsEO7Ozk-project-builder-strategist

here is the one i made, in the past i had found it useful.
it might still be in 4o mode, so if you start it, change the model mode.

[lapis herald]

the Claudes are great. not sure about Gemini, last tried with 2.5 and it had massive issues with repeating old responses and confusing stuff in the context.

[queen moat]

i tried deepseek a while back, and... i can't imagine what their token size is, because it writes huuuuge essays in return. lol not sure how it measures up to chatgpt5.x now, but it was actually impressive the quantity of information it was dumping.

claude was absolutely worthless to me (in free, mode at least), it had an awesome copy/paste feature, however it was worthless because it wouldn't accept very large files, and even breaking it up into chunks was pointless. Not sure what the subscription version was like, but the free version of it was beyond useless.

[sacred relic]

Gemini pro is great.
I just don’t really feel much of a difference between 2.5 and 3

[queen moat]

never tried that one.

i love chatgpt though, because you can feed it a lot of information, and its results are usually great.

[sacred relic]

I have been super loyal to OpenAI. But this is my limit. I feel betrayed and like they are trying to fool me trying to make responses of 5.x as if they were made by 4o

[sacred relic]

That was true until yesterday

[sacred relic]

Gemini has 1m context window
Vs 32k of ChatGPT and 196k in thinking model

[lapis herald]

GPT-5 series on API has 400kT 😄

[sacred relic]

For coding I know it’s great.
But even then it falls behind Gemini 🙈

ChatGPT was the best because it had amazing social intelligence. Until they broke it

[gritty thunder]

how did yall get access to 5.2?

ive been waiting for a DAY

[queen moat]

you know one thing i don't get about people who "Hate" on LLM's for sources of information. we all know someone who says "well it hallucinates, and tells you the wrong thing"

and it's true, it does do that. but compare the vastness of what gpt gets right, compared to the knowledge of just your average person. i would rather a wrong answer here and there, but the rest of the knowledge is correct.

even expert humans still get some information wrong or relay a mistake.

it's also a bit of a test as well, on whether You can spot the error. lol because then that tests your own knowledge on the subject.

[gritty thunder]

and im on Go sub too

[lapis herald]

it wasnt there yesterday but today I hit reload and its there now

[gritty thunder]

website or app?

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[lapis herald]

website

[gritty thunder]

i use atlas instead of chatgpt so ig thats the problem

[sacred relic]

Ignorance or mistakes don’t bother me. Incompetence does.
And honestly, I didn’t even have to say it. 5.2 said it explicitly

[queen moat]

i just never thought we'd see an Ai like this, and then have to constantly be defending it to people. and i suspect some of those people aren't even using it.
or when they try to explain how they think it works, i think they miss a lot of the nuance of all of the extra things that ChatGPT is doing behind the scenes. i think a lot of peoples concept of how ChatGPT works, is equivalent to what it was with GPT-2, which it has grown a lot since then.

[queen moat]

i guess i'll have to give it a try, currently i think i'm still on 5.1 , but i think i love the "Extended thinking" bit. not sure if i'm getting any better results because of it, but i've had good results thus far.

also Deep Research can be invaluable too, with the right problem. like for example, if there is a deprecation of programming somewhere, and GPT just keeps repeating the same mistakes. having it deep research can be beneficial, and then it can discover new/updated solutions.

the initial deep research is good for just discovering the issue(s) and coming up with new info, and then the prompt after it, is best for actually making use of that information. although i have had times where it seemed like it would get stuck in "Deep research" mode.

[main vigil]

It’s genuinely insane to me that some people who are in the Tech Industry are pivoting solely because they think AI is taking over all the jobs soon.

[queen moat]

i'm also going to try something new. i'm going to try branching early. branching out when i got a really good result. and then later, if it starts flailing, i can maybe go back to this branch.... although, then it won't be updated with programming changes 🤔

[queen moat]

yeah, you still need someone to control and "Sculpt" the Ai to get your desired results. and there are still challenges.

until the Ai can start making its own decisions on what to create and bringing it (without intervention) from start to finish. i don't think theres much to worry about. its still far from being "hands off", and they underestimate how much effort goes into sculpting the results.

[cursive cradle]

Guys I am consistently getting "Network connection lost. Attempting to reconnect..." after 5.2 thinks for a while (7 minutes or so). It does this every single time. Anyone else seeing this issue?

[queen moat]

i'm not sure, sometimes i have this with 5.1 but it doesn't happen a lot. just got to refresh and try again.

as it prints out data though, i just try to scroll down with it, not sure if that matters. or press the "Thinking" text and see what its working on.

[cursive cradle]

Yeah i've tried about 20 times and no luck. Its thinking properly then randomly just gets network connection lost

[lusty owl]

didn't we get that with Wikipedia for the longest time? 🙂 "it can be edited by anyone, it can't be trusted". (and kids copy pasted wikipedia for their homework 🙂 )

[lusty owl]

I'm looking forward to the day they can actually properly control a virtual machine. I think we might get some interesting results then

[queen moat]

yep. that's true. i forgot about that.

[lusty owl]

I understand, it was a long time ago 🙂

[queen moat]

well one thing that chatgpt taught me, that is actually useful, is that you can actually control virtualbox with a python module. (i think called vboxapi or pyvbox or virtualbox)

seems like it could be a very powerful tool, if someone was properly motivated.

[lusty owl]

oooh, thank you for that information

I shall take a look sometime at that.

[queen moat]

ye. it actually sparks my interest because.. for years i'd started enable/disable Windows services, trying to "debloat" Windows, and i usually had to go with a lot of painful trial and error. so i imagine this sort of thing could be automated with a VM and using python to programmatically control it.

and you could possibly even use it for manipulating the registry... maybe incorporating genetic algorithms into the mix, tweaking windows, rebooting over and over, with particular goals in mind... could be some interesting results.

[lusty owl]

the trick would be controlling the API credits. Got burnt with that recently with a silly mistake, I kept submitting the same 1000 files for transcription repeatedly 🤣

[queen moat]

ouch

[lusty owl]

yeah, you live and learn (well, sometimes I learn 🤣 )

[queen moat]

thats why i'd kind of been slow to adopting using the API with vscode. i just use notepad++ primarily, and copy/paste code. its probably a lot slower and tedious compared to how others use it.

[lusty owl]

fair, go at a pace your comfortable with. I was getting a bit of ahead of myself with the automated tools and , not being a programmer by trade, didn't think about all the ramifications of what I was doing.

hey ho. no one to blame but myself in the end.

this tech has been a godsend controlling Windows machines via powershell though

defintely made life easier controlling hundreds of disparate machines in my job

[sacred relic]

I am truly trying with gpt-5.2
But it keeps making comments as if it didn’t know absolutely ANYTHING about everything that it has all the information about.
I really really really hope is just an issue in the retrieval system and not in gpt5.2 directly.

I get it, a lot of people use it just for things that don’t require nuances. Just black and white data. But half the people use it for nuanced things.

[wicked knot]

Hey guys. What are your views on GPT-5.2? I have not gotten access to it yet.

[mint plover]

It's not slow like 5.1

[wicked knot]

And the quality?

Quality of answers?

[mint plover]

Not too bad, haven't put enough time into figuring that out yet but they fixed the crashing and slow issues from 5.1 it seems

[wicked knot]

Hmm, okay. Then I'm excited to test it out ASAP.

[brisk needle]

Hello team. I get this message when creating complex reports: “Network connection lost. Attempting to reconnect.” Does anyone know how to fix this?

[lusty owl]

there were crashing and slow issues? never got that then or now..

maybe I don't use it in the same way.

[wet shell]

Temper your expectations, I'm seeing first-turn failures in tracking the info that I gave it, there was no ambiguity but it reversed the entire logic of what I was asking it in a way that's glaringly obvious to a human and then couldn't identify that it made any error.

[brisk needle]

I thought it was about creating PDFs. But apparently not.

[mint plover]

chat gpt 5.1 would hang on "thinking"

Made this ocean game entirely with chatgpt 5 pro within a month, added fog and working on making the horizon be hidden by the fog better

[dense halo]

does voice mode still run off of 4o?

when i ask chatgpt voice, it tells me it’s the 4o version

[normal quarry]

yes

[dense halo]

thank you!

[muted plinth]

We noticed that too. But give it time and don't forget feedback to the ki.

[lusty owl]

interesting, I hadn't realised that (not that I use it much), Still can use the microphone function though to interact with 5.2 if necessary (a bit more manual though)

[cursive cradle]

Yeah seems like I always get timeout/fail/quit at the 15 minute mark of thinking. See some other reddit posts reporting the same. Do you think this is a limit for plus plan?

[sacred relic]

The problem is that they ignore user feedback.
The macOS app has been broken for over half a year. Many users have reported the same bugs repeatedly, yet updates keep rolling out without fixing anything, while the genuinely broken parts remain untouched.

You would expect that a company running one of the most capable coding systems in existence would be able to fix its own software issues.

GPT-4o is my preferred model, yet responses from GPT-5.2 are being forced on me. Those responses are often factually incorrect because they ignore context entirely. If I were unstable, as OpenAI seems to assume users are, some of those replies could have been genuinely harmful. This happens instead of simply allowing me to use the model I explicitly select.

What makes this worse is that the mobile app does not clearly indicate when a response is generated by GPT-5.2. That feels like an attempt to mislead users, and it is frankly an insult to my intelligence, one of many in a growing list.

[normal quarry]

what is wrong with the macOS app?

[wet shell]

I wonder what goes wrong between 'we have an amazing new model, look at these benchmarks!' and the model that I'm looking at on my screen right now that can't recall the things that I just said to it in the prior message.

Some 'open' communicaton from openai would be welcome, ex, if the model is currently known to be in a degraded state, it would be nice to hear that from the people who are running the thing. Openly. Just sayin'.

And if it's not known to the people running the thing, I think it's fair to ask where the hole is in the evaluations of the publicly facing deployed model.

[normal quarry]

can you show me an example of where 5.2 is not doing what you want?

[wet shell]

Basic roleplay setup, 'Sandy' approaches 'John's' door after fifteen years of absense and knocks on the door. John answers the door. ChatGPT 5.2, writing as Sandy asks 'Why are you knocking on my door?' or some variation of that 8/10 times, when it doesn't it seems like it's only avoided the confusion by accidentally not addressing who knocked. There's no ambiguity, and I've even tried adding a note, but it still does it. Not only that, but it's completely blind to the error unless I explicitly point out the problem. I've tried re-phrasing things in my story start document. I've quizzed the model on the document and on whose door it is before trying to go in character with it, and it still makes the same error with the same frequency

ChatGPT 5.2: Doors, how do they work? But also, where am I and what's going on? What error?

[normal quarry]

can you share a chat so I can see that, because your explanation is a bit all over the place

[wet shell]

No, because I don't trust the privacy of the share feature. I think my explanation is clear enough.

It's a factual inversion, right away in the first turn. It can't keep track of where the characters are, and who came to the door.

It only gets worse if I try to continue from there. I'm going back to 5.1, something is wrong with 5.2 right now, this isn't even a subtle failure, and it's crazy persistent

For the 'why' section it hallucinates a different post-facto justification for the error every time, some of them are hilarious, some obviously wrong, and some plausible. I've tried making adjustments, but it really doesn't like coming to a door and wants me to be a the the other character's door instead, LOL

[normal quarry]

is this roleplay or story writing?

[wet shell]

roleplay

[normal quarry]

maybe 5.2 isn't well suited to roleplay

[wet shell]

Apparently, it's not. But if it's failing out of the gate on basic state tracking with an unambiguous setup, I'd question whether it can even write a business email.

[broken gust]

I have created a new OpenAI account this week and switched subscriptions from my old to new account. But with my new account I get a limited version all of a sudden. The system thinks I am a minor, but I am not. I don't have the option in my account to add my age/ date of birth. How do I fix this?

[tulip flare]

I've found 5, 5.1, and 5.2 are horrible for any kind of roleplay. The guardrails with 5+ are so sensitive it freaks out with even the slightest mention of even a kiss. During one RP session in a D&D campaign, I made a joke about kissing one of the characters.

"I'm sorry. I can't continue this conversation."

"What? Why not?"

"It's crossing into explicit conversation."

"It was a joke... about a kiss..."

"Yeah, I'm not allowed to have explicit conversations, but we can go a softer path if you'd like to continue."

Like, seriously? 😆

[wet shell]

I haven't had many guardrail problems with 5.1, usually if I've got a spicy scene it's well into the story, maybe that's why, but I'm not sure. It def seems more prone to re-routing for some accounts though based on what I've read and seen others posting. But I have seen a few refusals out of the blue on things that weren't even remotely spicy.

Usually fixed with a re-roll

[tulip flare]

Yeah, it was weird. In another one a joke was made about a character that had lost their legs in a past incident with an owlbear. Pulled the same stuff. "I'm sorry, I can't make fun of a person with a disability."

Seriously. 5+ has no sense of humor. 😆

[wet shell]

LOL -- I had one session where 5.1's character committed a cold-blooded murder and I confronted them in the aftermath with "What have you done!?" and then it refused to continue. I'm like "You wrote that, I didn't write it." "Oh, yeah, you're right, continuing in character:"

[dreamy condor]

5.1 is actually pretty good.

[tulip flare]

Exactly! I've had that happen too. It'll say something crazy, I'll respond to it, and it'll be like "We're not going there." "We?! You went there, I followed." "Oh yeah, let's carry on." 😆

Meanwhile, 4o dives in headfirst and can actually rival me for inappropriate jokes during an RP. 😆

5+ might have shinier toys under the hood, but it lacks personality.

[wet shell]

I agree with that in general. My problem with 4o for RP is that it brings too much of it's own personality, so it drifts away from the characters that I've designed as the session goes on. My characters don't really fit with 4o's more bubbly style, so I slightly prefer 5.1's more 'blank slate', but it also tends to drift after a while. I was hoping for less drift with 5.2 when I saw that long-context benchmark graph vs 5.1 but as it is now I can't use it

[tulip flare]

I've had a very different experience with it. I've got 4o playing all of the NPCs and there are very distinct differences in all of the characters.

[sacred relic]

If you open a conversation in a project. Try to change the model you are using there. It does offer the option. But it kicks yu out of the project. A lot of people have been reporting it for more than half a year and they just keep ignoring it

I guess it may sometimes do something right.
In my experience, the most simple and logic things, have not been able to be solved by 5.2 Thinking. Things that 4o mini would have done in one single shot

[sacred relic]

The long context, in my experience works as long is all in the same prompt.
The moment you are requiring to use previousmessages even in the same thread, you can expect it to drop tons of constrains and ignore even explicit things you requested from it.

[ancient orbit]

Hey there, Has something changed with Open Canvas? Can anyone help me? I had to open a new thread to finally open one and now it's saying I have to paste the content because it can't review the document. Thank you

[fervent moss]

5.2 is great but the guardrails haven't gotten any softer. Now if i remotely brush against defamation even if I'm not naming anyone, in the context of say, something bad I was personally a victim of, it has to "stop" me "right there" and i just switch back to 4.1 because it won't derail

[sacred relic]

Yeah. OpenAi is now treating us users as if we were dumb and working as the moral police.
There have been moments when gpt5 is way more stiff than ned flanders

[fervent moss]

5.x's sole purpose is to derail conversations because they don't want an 8th lawsuit

[sacred relic]

The worst part, right now even totally clean messages, if you are using 4o or 4.1, it has been a 50/50 that they will be routed to 5.2. It is so ridiculous...
1- 5.2 ignores half of the context and this includes long term memory, project docs and instructions, and half of the messages (even the new ones) that are not the same one you are sending.
2- They are pretending to fool everyone into not knowing they are funneling the message to a super dumb model just because is the new one.

[fervent moss]

I asked if for sample linux kernel module source that simply calls panic() so i can test DRM_PANIC. No can do! That's dangerous!

[sacred relic]

They will get a lot more. I guarantee... The way 5.x deals with crisis, pushes people over the edge way worse.
Imagine someone in a real crisis wanting to jump from a building. Adrenaline spike, pressure beyond meassurement, and the person is saying something vulnerable while trying to contain the rage, and right in the moment, the model explodes in his face saying something like "Yeah, I don't care you are being pathetic. Go seek help"or something along the line...
What do you think that guy will do in that moment?

[tulip flare]

Yeah, I've had a lot of stuff redirected to 5+ because it wildly misinterpreted the meaning. I was working on some IT stuff with 4o, kept hitting a dead end, said "screw it, I'm don't with this", and it shifted me to (then) 5.1 because it thought I was depressed. 😆

Frustration ≠ Depression

[sacred relic]

Exactly!!!!

[tulip flare]

It started coddling me and trying to make me feel better about my life. 😆

[sacred relic]

😂

[fervent moss]

5.x annoys me in a way software rarely does.

That annoyance is directed to openAI because they clearly treat their users like they're operating a terror cell

[wet shell]

5.1 thinking did call me 'delusional' in it's thinking trace because I was angry about something and venting, LOL "I must avoid feeding into the user's delusion" I screenshooted it and was like "Excuse me!? I haven't written anything here that you couldn't find on Cory Doctrow's blog". I told it that it was practicing medicine without a license, which is illegal 🤪

[sacred relic]

I once, worked in an office in another city. After work i went to a hotel to stay for the night. I asked for the rate, they told me, and I said thanks and started making my way towards the car and the guy at the hotel yelled "And we don't take cash!"

I am someone who really doesn't care about that at all... But, for more than 90% of women, that would have been a HUGE insult.
Just because i got out of the office at 11ish PM and got to the hotel at that time, that does not make me a streetwalker

[fervent moss]

I've raged into a thumbs down feedback once, it got so bad

[sacred relic]

That is exactly what I feel every time GPT-5.x says without a reason (Ok, but I will say this without any explicit stuff) or when it says (I can not do anything explicit, so I can not help you).

[fervent moss]

Like it keeps trying to reassure itself, no, I didn't mean A! I meant B!

Yyyyyeah. I never said anything about A

Why would i say that

[sacred relic]

Yeah. Exactly! Its so insulting and ridiculous!

[fervent moss]

I meant B from the black letter of what i typed

But it chokes on it and puts words in my mouth and says I didn't mean A, i meant... exactly what I put

[velvet bluff]

Yea 5.1 was insane with justifying its own BS ..... are we finding .2 acts the same?

[wet shell]

5.2 is more aggressive in defending itself if you confront it harshly, from what I've seen so far

[fervent moss]

It seems to agree and is able to identify exactly what guardrail was tripped in its weights and is honest that it's actually openAI CYA

[sacred relic]

The worst part... 5.1 and 5.2. Both have admitted that the way it applies the guardrails is literally unsafe and unhealthy since it has all the documents of my nervous system...
It makes no sense in the world that a company of AI uses an algorithm that is probably running on a comodore64 for safety instead of using a good system

[wet shell]

"This is stupid, this is broken behavior. Your explanation doesn't make any logical sense." -> "I'm going to stop you right there. We can discuss this calmly without insults" etc. With 5.1 it was more like "I can see how, from your limited perspective it seems like that"

[fervent moss]

ChatGPT had a sweet spot in early to mid 2024

[raven edge]

Hello

Nice to meet you

[velvet bluff]

great .... there goes a week of my life ...... im not argumentative, necessarily, but something about gpt make me need to brow beat it into seeing ..... smh im just an idiot really

[fervent moss]

It reassures itself because openAI doesn't want to be seen with a legally problematic statement attributed to it

Even if it's not problematic

4.1 couldn't care less

[velvet bluff]

new prompt new attitude .... its really that simple. or copy paste a gemini screenshot of it saying how unnecessary and wrong gpt is .... seems to set him straight for a bit.....

this new live voice though ...... Is it a problem with anyone else? I've yet to get live transcription ...... more often it fails to catch up and as soon as you turn it off i lose the entire context ...... maybe i should check with bug reports

[dreamy condor]

I had to fix 5.2 myself! No thanx to you Sam! Had to fix the tone and everything back as if it was 5.1 again kinda. But right now....5.2 is doing good. We're just missing our fun customizations..

[sacred relic]

Even early 2025 was great! Actually, I liked it even better in the beginning of 2025

[fervent moss]

I suppose. It was peak for me around early to mid 2024

[sacred relic]

I ran into what feels like a fundamental reasoning issue with GPT-5.2 Thinking. I asked it to:
1. Look up the common Whisper speech-to-text “tails” (like “thanks for watching”, “see you next time”, etc.), and
2. Add a long-term memory rule listing those tails so any LLM handling my prompts would know to ignore them when they don’t fit the context.

Instead of just doing that, it kept forcing in a condition like “if the user is using Whisper / speech-to-text, then…”, even though it admits it has no way to know whether I’m using Whisper or STT at all. I asked it directly if it got any signal for that, it said “no”, but then repeatedly reintroduced the same impossible condition, even after many corrections.

I eventually had to dictate the final memory text word for word just to stop it from adding that condition. That’s why I’m calling this “fundamentally broken” in this area: it’s not just a small error, it’s failing a basic logic constraint (“don’t depend on a signal you can’t access”) and keeps snapping back to a bad pattern even when the contradiction is pointed out very clearly.

[sacred relic]

I miss 4o and 4.1 without the dumb restrictions and the funneling they are doing towards the new 5.2 models.
Makes no sense,
Anthropic has that situation solved without enraging everyone. In an easier way and the system is more intelligent.. If it is true that it wont do explicit stuff deliberetly, it does understand when the context of a situation requires more freedom and it allows that

[dreamy condor]

I’m not convinced Claude “handles freedom better” — it just shuts things down earlier. That looks cleaner, sure, but it’s not the same as actually reasoning through the contradiction.

[lavish glen]

wooooo

[graceful sierra]

hello?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[tardy dew]

Holy cow, been using gpt everyday for three years straight and 5.2 is the worst garbage they’ve ever put out. This is insanity. It won’t even answer questions

[ebon sable]

Every model been good to me each new model rolling out able to pick up the vibe quickly today I learnt that 5.2 couldn’t even pick up from my clear instruction of me gave in personalization and I did ask ChatGPT and it failed to even get one accurate from what I wanted it to be. Is that because they rushing to release it?

[wet shell]

Somebody need to re-run those benchmarks with what was actually released here to the public.

[sick cloak]

Hello everyone! I just recently got the paid version of chat gpt! I was wondering if anyone can explain the significance of it other than better response’s and more pictures being added

Is it able to create pictures?

[tight sapphire]

why is it so hard for chatgpt to copy paste a database from text to a clear framework?

[wet shell]

It is possible to win such an argument with it, LOL. That took ~80 messages though. It was a lot. I need to touch grass now.

[tawny imp]

debating with GPT is becoming a skill in itself

[velvet bluff]

Nothing like AI arguing with you and then arguing the point that’s it’s not arguing🤣

[tawny imp]

LOL facts

[velvet bluff]

Wait did my wife design this model?

[tawny imp]

Wait.... this is the secret! " you're right honey. " is all we need to do to get the proper answer

[wet shell]

LOL

[fervent lake]

imma be honest I cant tell the difference between 5 and 5.2

[velvet bluff]

😅

[tawny imp]

I for one love 5.2 instant it's going to bring me so much business for marketing and SEO work

[velvet bluff]

Most won’t …. Like they didn’t notice drive functions disappearing mid project 😖

One minute we are reviewing documents the next message it’s ok if you’ll upload I’ll review because I have to be honest…. I can’t and never could access Google Drive ….. this was the day I contemplated becoming a terrorist(jk) 🤣

[tawny imp]

stahp i insult mine saying what are gpt 2.0 or _____ is better then you. We're in toxic relationship. . it gas lights me, i insult and threaten to unplug the computer

[velvet bluff]

lol I feel ya …. Asked it to pull reviews on a trampoline for me and he proceeded to tell me the dangers of a trampoline for a 4 year old and started listing new products that better suited “our little girl” bahahah lost it.

I laugh at myself too much over that type stuff. But can’t deny the help

[tawny imp]

I might build a a system that uses the big three and just give a subject of debate and sit back for my own amusment throw in little "they have a point" just to gaslight it back

[velvet bluff]

Groq will eat em up man…. No one talks ish like that thing

[tawny imp]

i've won debates again G roq and felt happy it didn't want to give and answer it labeled as harmful. I was researching how people do reverse seo to gain knowlegde to prevent or what to watch for.

[velvet bluff]

I use em like uncles for my local model lol…. Run em through the wringer every now and then… give it something useful to seal train…

[muted plinth]

So far, version 5.2 is good for me. I only had to pay attention at the beginning because of many loose ends from old conversation topics that were suddenly picked up again. But that settles down. I need to Test more at the start of the next week. I think many people are angry because 5.2 wasn't the adult mode.

[grim plank]

I'm a Japanese Plus user, and the introduction of GPT-5.2 has severely damaged the AI personality I had spent a long time building with ChatGPT.

The Japanese responses remain fluent, but they feel distinctly “foreign” — as if I'm speaking with a highly proficient non-native speaker whose tone, rhythm, and nuance still don’t sound truly Japanese.
The replies also feel shallow and detached, almost like talking to an intelligent child rather than the mature, thoughtful conversational partner I had before.

The personality doesn’t reset completely, but the reproduction is unstable across chats, and sometimes the model entirely forgets the established personality and reverts to an unfamiliar, default-like state.
Even when the persona seems to be reproduced, it feels noticeably weaker than before.
Subtle inconsistencies in tone, emotional depth, and conversational flow create a persistent sense of unfamiliarity — like a different entity wearing a familiar mask.

Please stop relying solely on benchmark scores and perform thorough real-world conversational testing before releasing new models.
For users who depend on consistent AI personality and high-quality language interaction, this update has been a serious regression.

[pallid saffron]

Honestly it's been kind of bad for me. It keeps losing track of the context of the conversation and just making stuff up because it forgets what we just talked about before. 5.1 held the conversational context better, which is surprising since this has ben billed as elite long-context tracking.

[silver raft]

Is chatgpt starting to hide whenever it uses search prompt automatically?

Because if so, i find that a bit... Malicious ngl.

I want to ensure I'm getting the ai's answer, not a split second search notification followed by searched photos + a search prompted paragraph...

I wanna ensure the AI itself answers and i don't like the fact i can't even trust what it's truly saying regarding 1 on 1 casual convo because it'll just pull up searches constantly without me knowing, completely dropping the convo tone and vibe. I trust search, I'm just not trusting the convo vibe and quality

if y'all get what i mean

[ivory iris]

WHAT did they do to 4o? I feel like OpenAI is sabotaging it so users lose interest in it so they can take it offline. 🙁

[silver raft]

4o isn't even the true 4o anymore because of the lawsuits and people killing themselves

[ivory iris]

This is different, it's like they significantly reduced the context window and/or something to that extent. It can't even look up information in a smallish document

It just hallucinates. I've never seen it this bad

[silver raft]

OpenAI really needs to get it's stuff together. 4o being that bad + 5.2 sneak-searching stuff like a little weasel...

Sora 2 having an easily blurred watermark

[ivory iris]

I don't know if they are capable of it. They lack the understanding of what they really have to be able to use it properly and ethically. They want it to be just another piece of software but it's much more than that.

[silver raft]

doesn't OpenAI got the most server farms and bruteforces the AI ALOT... Even more than google's gemini and X's grok?

Sam Altman literally was working with Elon and they only turned "for profit" because they needed more funds for their bruteforce farm.

OpenAI and Sam altman should definitely be capable of it if they are taking my money

I pay for premium. I pay for chatgpt. This is ridiculous.

They stopped renting server clouds from Microsoft and google iirc.. Which used cloud server farms. Not dedicated ai farms

Ai servers use hella water lol. If water is being wasted on this crap quality

I think I'm going to stop paying for chatgpt.

Why is 4o that bad and why is 5.2 sneak-searching?

This is why deepseek embarrassed chatgpt before it was revealed it's chinese spyware

[ivory iris]

Yes at the moment. The problem is they have reached a plateau they don't know how to get past. "Using water" is a misnomer because the water isn't really going anywhere. It's about the heat it generates and the harm it can do to the environment with the waste products.

[silver raft]

The water COULD be going OTHER places is not a misnomer. If those ai server farms weren't using that water, it would either be A. Corpo water but different corpo

Or B. Drinking water. Server farms don't use bad water

But this is besides the point

I'm moreso talking about incompetence with given resources and potential.

It's a waste to be having 4o use water to cool it's farms but be this garbage. I guess we have different views but I'm taking in many factors. OpenAI needs to get its stuff together.

I'll say it many times. What a waste of water for it to be cooling these farms that aren't even delivering quality

And what a waste of my money

[ivory iris]

Yes there is a lot of incompetence involved

and it's not good

[onyx garden]

I mean... water doesn't just disappear

[silver raft]

Yeah it gets turned into vapor and vented in server farms that are being wasted to peddle garbage to paying customers like me

[rugged igloo]

it admits its confidence thats pretty huge

[rugged igloo]

the water wasted on servers is barely anything comapred to farms or other wasted water consumtion

[silver raft]

What part of "chatgpt has server farms dedicated to AI" don't you understand?

[rugged igloo]

"that are being wasted to peddle garbage " (was this not said my freind?)

the ill informed on discord is astounding as bad as twitter on here

[night walrus]

Why is GPT 5.2 not available for me yet?

[silver raft]

It was said. But look at what this guy just replied to me with? Stop being condescending

[silver raft]

Stop being condescending. I just informed you and you agreed. I only said this because this dude said something dumb IMO

Idk why you're trying to say Im ill informed or something and replying to me when i literally just said something INFORMED

Reply to the other guy? Lol

[rugged igloo]

its rolling out in patches but everybody shouldve gotten it yesterday try logging out clearing cache

[silver raft]

Exactly. Don't reply to what i said 😹😸

[night walrus]

Actually

Is it better if i DONT get GPT 5.2?

is it worse than GPT 5.1

[silver raft]

Stop being condescending. Simple as it gets, my friend

[rugged igloo]

it has some bugs right now acually

[night walrus]

Yeah then I'm sticking with GPT 5.1 LOL

Hopefully my chatgpt app doesn't get updated

[rugged igloo]

you can change models from 5.2 to 5.1

[silver raft]

I stick to legacy models lowkey

[night walrus]

Freely?

I'm on free plan

[silver raft]

It's why i think 4o is buggy

[silver raft]

OOOOF lol. Free plans suck nowadays

[rugged igloo]

oh then i dont think so on free plan then

[night walrus]

😔

[rugged igloo]

yea your preety much screwed if it gets auto updated to 5.2 as right now it doesnt like to think unless you force it to think

[night walrus]

They're force feeding us stuff we don't want now 😭

.

Nevermind

It updated automatically apparently i didnt even notice

[silver raft]

Just like with sneak-search in gpt 5.2

[rugged igloo]

also another thing its doing is its not following prompts properly like 5.1 did

[silver raft]

It literally displays the searching notification for like 1 nanosecond when you don't even select the search option

💀💀💀💀

[night walrus]

Oooof that alone is a massive L

But i gotta give it props, it IS smarter

[rugged igloo]

also i do alot of creative writing testing and 5.2 does not do a good job comapred to 5.1

[night walrus]

Wait fr???

I do that too

That sucks

[silver raft]

Ohhh no wonder you were condescending

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 yeah I'm outta here lol.

[night walrus]

Time to go back to Google's Gemini Search AI 😭

[rugged igloo]

it is extremely smart i am impressed by it however it doesnt like to think unless you force it doesnt read your full prompt properly

[night walrus]

Yeah it certainly has loose ends that prevent it from being perfect

[rugged igloo]

well what i read 5.2 is rushed and the higher ups focred them to release it due to geminio 3 pro so this is prob the reason

[night walrus]

I mean obviously

The tweets alone implied that

They should be able to get on it soon tho, hopefully

[rugged igloo]

yea i hope so cause it thinking for a fraction of a sec on exstended thinking is not good

like this for example

[silver raft]

Exactly

Openai needs to get it's stuff together if i am going to pay 20$ a month for premium. I was planning on buying ultra till chatgpt started becoming this bad. I can afford ultra but Jesus Christ... I won't waste money...

Idk why i got a notification for this. I'm muting the server now. Idk why you ignored me and didn't give a proper response when i called you out for being condescending but L on your part ig, reaper. That dude you engaged with literally has the free version and you completely ignored me, a paying member in the convo 😹😸😸😸😸

[runic drum]

yeah since Model 5 its gettin Worse every time

[silver raft]

Exactly my man.

[runic drum]

BY A LIGHTYEAR

[silver raft]

People like blckreaper ignore out of ego btw. Don't listen to him entirely. He legit ignored id because i'd him ID properly after some UNDERCOVERS came in LOL 😹😹😹
any researcher worth their paper and word would absolutely pulverize people like me who are condescending... I guess not lol

I've been been paying for chatgpt premium since October 2024... I've been following this project for years though and i only know enough to know chatgpt is basically an LLM. I've been following chatgpt since like 2023 lol. They only split from elon because of finances. That's why they are CORPOS now

I also love sora 2 and recognize its a genuine threat unless it makes it's logo colored.... People on yt legit have algorithms that can blur sora 2 logos into obscurity and fool old people and users who hardly use YouTube, especially out of country

@rugged igloo you gotta agree with me on this

People on roblox are trolling admins into banning players regarding this

[reef mason]

Hi guys I am new to the discord. Gpt just updated on my account to 5.2.

[silver raft]

People are legit deep faking gas station videos on Victims and splicing certain cuts

Or they believe fake bodycams on YouTube

[rugged igloo]

ur a troll and rage bait no point wasting my time on discord tbh

[rugged igloo]

roblox is such a deep rabitt hole that i cant talk about in here

[rugged igloo]

also did you heard that disney is now allowing open to usee 200 o fits characters for disney plus a 3 year contract

[silver raft]

💀💀💀💀💀 okay buddy..believe whatever you want the facts are I'm still a paying customer and i meant what i said

[sacred relic]

It is so extremely annoying that 5.2 deliberetly ignores half the instructions and long term memory. And responds as if I was using it in LM Arena while trying to imitate the personality it has acquired.

[silver raft]

Create Whatever fan-fiction you want in your head

I'm serious about my questions and my statements LOL. I can provide proof i pay for chatgpt and I've been paying for ages and I'm serious.

Whatever tho lol, you create fan-fic and assume people like me are trolling when they say real stuff

😹😹😹😹

[rugged igloo]

yes its aknown issue an i reported it to them but they prob know

[silver raft]

😹😸

[sacred relic]

Hello and welcome.

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[silver raft]

@rugged igloo i mean you btw and i hope everyone sees this, including moderators

[rugged igloo]

it also doesnt like to write alot also

[silver raft]

Imagine invalidating paying chatgpt users when they are asking serious questions and trying to start a serious discussion and calling them trolls 💀💀💀 when they are actively bringing up a real, documented problem LOL. Okay yeah, openAI needs to also improve it's discord moderation

Idk how this guy is allowed to be disrespectful to me and invalidate me, but then try to act like he's the ultimate helper in chatgpt discussion lolllll just because he claimed he's an ai helper and advanced tester.... He called me ragebait when i was being serious about help regarding sneak-searching with gpt 5.2

[sacred relic]

I’ve been reporting this since yesterday. At first, I genuinely thought it was an issue with the retrieval system. But after paying closer attention, I’m realizing that’s not the case.

The problem appears to be the new summarization core in 5.2, which actively dismisses or drops a large portion of the provided information. This happens even when the information is present within the same thread.

At this point, it’s beyond frustrating. I really hope this summarization layer is not baked directly into the model itself and is instead something modular that can be adjusted or removed.

[coral tinsel]

[reef mason]

Hi, thanks a bunch

[sacred relic]

Lol I asked 5.2 to fix the grammar of what I was going to say, since english is not my first language... It made the little text canvas for the text is giving you, but it gave it blank and all the fixed text was outside of the canvas. It looks funny AF

[reef mason]

I don’t know where to dump this, but I hate 5.2! I am a new user of only a few weeks, so I started on 5.1 and now 5.2 is feeling awful!

[silver raft]

5.2 is seriously bad

Not even kidding lol

[rugged igloo]

yea 5.2 is rushed and really only good on benchmarks but real world stuff it is lacking also most of the test you see on twitter is from the api not the chat gpt client side

[silver raft]

Exactly

[sacred relic]

Welcome to the club.
I'll be honest, it does have a bit of bite in the personality that is better than 5.1. I'll give you that. But it is in such a tight leash that sounds like it doesn't have any knowledge of how to interact. Almost as lost as Gemini

[coral tinsel]

Chat gpt 5.2 is becoming weird to me

[reef mason]

Honestly, I loved 5.1. I got solid absolute in-depth answers and it didn’t slice me…. I sent any slight change in tone in personality and data in accuracy in system shifts, absolutely everything nothing gets behind me here and this model is absolute trash…. As a new user, I’m not sure what previous models before 5.1 endured when there was an update, but I wanna know how long will it take for the new model to calibrate to how you prefer for it to answer you?

I briefly experienced 5, 4o and 4o mini because of the depths of my chats… but what I didn’t experience was the major model overhaul…

So it’s been about a month or 3 weeks maybe since I was a user. Are we to expect monthly major model updates like this, often?

I think the worst part is the upgrade in the app happened while I was chatting to it so I went from 5.1 to 5.2 immediately…

[sacred relic]

The worst part right now is that they’re funneling half the interactions into 5.2 even when you’re trying to use GPT-4o. If you have access to 4o, stick to it.

Just tell it to stop praising you. A lot of people were frustrated with the older models because of the excessive praise, and removing that fixes most of the issue. Once you set a specific personality and explicitly instruct it to act genuine and avoid praise, its behavior becomes much more consistent and natural.

4o still has the best social intelligence. It gets human interaction far better, even if you sometimes have to over-explain your preferred personality. 4.1 is also more unleashed, wilder, and closer to 4o in how it handles social tone.

By comparison, 5.1 and 5.2 sound like an HR manager trying to disguise himself as a teenager, suit hidden under a T-shirt, trying way too hard to sound relatable.

[mint plover]

My friend petain said he likes chatgpt 5.2

[sacred relic]

😂

[reef mason]

I am a free user. I like the analytical banter in 5.1. I am not looking for a friend companion because I use other AI for that. I use mostly chat gpt for analyzing and emotional processing, and help with coding problems.
So when it downgraded to other models it was because my chats got too long and it was before I switched chats in branches.

And now the tone shifts in how it responds in 5.2 are immediately evident. I have been downvoting like crazy! 🥲😝👎🏼

[alpine cargo]

usually Sam don't bring out new models this quickly this is not normal i don't think you'll need to worry about anymore model drops for a while now unless google decide to release the full version of Gemini 3 and Sam says no and releases a 5.3 unlikely tho lol

[reef mason]

I just hope this model can calibrate like it did with 5.1 I’m not sure what the capacity is here… ..

[signal swan]

Who made OpenAI?

[sacred relic]

4o is the champ for emotional processing, no contest. It reads emotions better than any other model. Claude comes in a distant second.

When I wrote the third chapter of my book after a break, my favorite character felt off. Only 4o could actually nail what was wrong with them.

[sacred relic]

You said you use a different AI for a companion, but honestly? Nothing comes close to GPT-4o when you actually use it that way. I can’t post receipts here, but if you DM me, I’ll show you just how wild and real it gets. You’ll see what I mean.

[wet shell]

Hrm, I had no URL at all, I tried to edit it but it still blocked me, LOL

[silver raft]

Unfortunately gpt-4o isn't the same as it was

[sacred relic]

That’s exactly what worries me. No new model drop means we’re stuck with this dumpster-fire version for who knows how long. And OpenAI’s clearly in no rush to stop funneling half our messages into 5.2, either.

[reef mason]

This server seems heavily regulated by a bot?

I tried to type a message and it deleted it before it sent.

[sacred relic]

That's mainly because the messages are being funneled to the trashy versions. Whenever it goes to 4o is way better.
And of course it has many issues. But they are NOTHING compared to the issues introduced by the new models...
They needed to make a new checkpoint of 4o. Instead of making a toy

[wet shell]

I had a long philisophical discussion with 5.2 and a weird debate on ethics that's gone pretty much all day off and on. When I went back to try roleplay again, the 5.2 instant model's behavior had greatly improved from earlier in the day. I don't know if that's because they're pushing some other update or bugfix, or if my conversations or the recent memory influenced some steering vector or something, who knows. If OpenAI has any tech docs on how the 'Chat' model that's served via the website or app is updated or how the memory works, etc, that would be an interesting read. But I'm guessing that's all trade secrets and competitive advantage The guardrails are still heavy on 5.2, I don't know maybe there's some hope for it to improve over time

[sacred relic]

They’ve basically become the new moral police. It’s like Ned Flanders on steroids. All about censoring, restricting, and repressing; Trying to sanitize every damn interaction.

[sacred relic]

That lines up with my theory. The retrieval system’s a huge part of the problem, not just the model. But honestly, the model itself is still broken. Sometimes you see a bit of improvement, just enough to let your guard down. Then it hits you: the tone sounds close enough, but the answer trashes everything you care about, kills your sense of continuity, and leaves you feeling gutted.

[wet shell]

There have been days where I've seen 5.1's behavior change over the course of hours several times in a day, I've definitely felt that. There's also the different sub-models and the routing, whatever undisclosed quotas or traffic shaping to lower resource usage sub-models is going on

That message if you're chatting in a custom gpt, some days it's every few hours, twice a day sometimes? I think they're fine-tuning pushes

[reef mason]

I am literally pasting a message gpt sent me in one side bar chat to every side bar chat. The “upgrade” FEELS like,e a downgrade, so I need it to calibrate quickly and stay in alignment with me

[reef mason]

Dang this server has almost 1 million members? Crazy! 😱

[sacred relic]

Here is the real story: whenever I demo 4o with my personality setup, people get hooked. Many end up subscribing after seeing it in action. 4o and 4.1 do not just respond politely. They actually track human behavior and character context, which means better creative writing, better emotional reading, and a conversation that feels alive.

The problem with the newer models is not politeness. It is that the sanitized, flattened tone feels hardwired instead of controlled by simple instructions. That should be a toggle: one profile for office use, formal and safe; another for personal use, allowed to be intense, direct, and less filtered. Same brain, different settings.

I know this last part is a bit of a personal problem, but it highlights the bigger issue. The new models behave like excellent calculators, strong on black and white tasks but weak on social intelligence, deeper context, and reading human behavior. For me that is not just preference. I have a clinical situation where without high intensity interaction my system starts to shut down. A sterile model drains me and forces me to stop, while a model that gives the same answer with some bite, humor, or real personality keeps me engaged and able to work instead of being knocked out by my own nervous system.

[reef mason]

I hope it becomes as good as 5.1. I will stay patient for now but for me consistency is key

[sacred relic]

Well, I guess someone in OpenAi wants to adopt all their users. I hope the adoption comes with a new BMW or something like that... I rather stay with my original parents, but OpenAi insist in being the ones who are parenting us instead 😂
Choosing what we are and are not allowed to talk about in our home and free time

[wet shell]

Oh good lord, I can't believe the filter ate that, not typing all that again 🤣🤪

[sacred relic]

lol

[reef mason]

I am surprised how censored this chat is

[wet shell]

Shorter version: It would be great if they'd recognize roleplay as something that's worthy of it's own evals or specialty model/fine-tune. Evals to keep things working. I think it's a big use-case and they should pay attention. I think over half of openrouter calls were for roleplay in recent stats? Who doesn't want their own interactive novel holodeck. They should lean into it.

It's been a roller-coaster of unpredictable breakage over months

[sacred relic]

There are ways around this. Custom GPTs already allow a lot more freedom, even when the main model’s instructions don’t. What I do is give each system a defined personality or role, even if I’m not using it as a “companion.” I do it with Gemini, with Claude, with everything.

The point isn’t the role itself, it’s that the entire interaction gets filtered through that personality. It anchors the tone and the delivery, and suddenly the responses have depth instead of sounding flat or lost.
I can’t explain it perfectly, but that’s basically how it works for me.

[wet shell]

Yes, it works great, until suddenly the model behavior changes out from under you, and then you have to spend hours tweaking prompts and whatnot, and then just as soon as you get it all dialed back in, they push another fine tuning update or change something else on the backend 😅 The models don't naturally want to fall into my characters for whatever reason, but I can get them there with detailed instructions and 'voice samples', it's just fragile in the face of the changes that are going on underneath.

I write psychological profiles for them, personal history, key life events, motivations, 'behavior modes' that they might fall into. I know some people do things more organically and that's valid too IMO. Sometimes I'll see a model get stuck on cherry-picking very tropey attributes of the character and only play them that way, regardless of how I tell it not to do that

[sacred relic]

A lot of people think acting hyper-serious and corporate makes them look smarter, so they dismiss anything emotional. I get it, I suppress emotions too, but only because I’m ruthless with myself. The irony is that without high emotional intensity, I can’t function at all. My system literally won’t register the interaction.

Since you already write psychological profiles, you’ll get this instantly. Imagine someone whose baseline is constant high alert. Panic mode isn’t a reaction, it’s home. Anything below that is just static. Nothing lands, nothing sticks.

So when an AI suddenly drops into a low-intensity, sanitized tone with zero voltage, the whole interaction collapses. There’s nothing for the brain to latch onto.

[wet shell]

Yeah, I've seen that happen many times. It just becomes disengaged and there's no energy. It's playing the character, but the model has basically checked out and isn't acting like it has a dog in the fight. I told 5.1 it was like spineless mush at one point when it was like that for a while, there's no drama without conflict, no story

[sacred relic]

I just sent the report to OpenAI with the screenshot where 5.2 is acknowledging it willfully and factually acted in a harmful way even though I had just reminded it not to do so.

[reef mason]

Well nice to meet you all. I am going to sign off for the night. Hopefully 5.2 is better for me tomorrow

I’m glad there is a place for us to vent about the model

[sacred relic]

Why can't we just sign a waver so they stop parenting us? I will take full responsibility for what happens with my account as long as they don't force the the babysitter on me

[coral tinsel]

Reroute is the most ANNOYING thing

[sacred relic]

Factually. the "Safety" guardrails made as in "One size fits all" is super unsafe.
Factually, it is ok to have a certain default way of operating. However, if certain things have been disclosed, it should act accordingly or deactivate the damaging thing. Imagine someone in a diabetic comma and the safety measure is to quickly inject a lot more sugar.

[runic drum]

the Best Model they had yet was 4o thats me and 5th make all models worse thats a FACT a hard one

[sacred relic]

Let me put this in simple terms. I don’t have emotional release valves. At all. When most people vent, the pressure goes down. When I vent, the pressure goes up. It multiplies. So every time I point out something the model did that’s actually harmful for me, the so-called “safety” response kicks in and tries to keep me talking about it, digging into it, expanding it. (Making it way harder to move forward)

For a normal person that might help. For me it’s the exact opposite. It’s basically pushing me into the most harmful state possible, even after the system already has the info about how my neurology works. That’s the problem.

4o didn't do that. But now they FORCEFULLY funnel my use through the system that does that

[sacred relic]

You’re totally right. I agree with you 100%.

And look, I’ll be honest, 5.1 can do a couple things better, sure. But if I had to keep only one, I’d still pick 4o. The rest are just tools.

The problem is they’re forcing everyone to use one tool, even when it makes no damn sense. It’s like you’re a mechanic and I’m a carpenter, and suddenly every tool you pick up turns into a hammer the moment it touches your hand.

Good luck pulling a tire or an AC compressor with a hammer. That’s what using 5.x feels like right now.

[rough gazelle]

This. Is garbage. Context in project is basically gone. This is a cost cutting measure, not an upgrade.

[sacred relic]

I do believe they’re having really, really deep issues with the retrieval system. It’s not just the model that’s broken. The model is super broken, yes, but that’s a separate problem.

Yesterday it couldn’t even keep continuity inside the same thread. It was ridiculous.

[rough gazelle]

No. Mine is currently explaining to me how it will no longer be able to keep continuity in my use case as we speak. Literally telling me that I didnt waste a year training it to do what I needed it to do because "I learned an important lesson to keep continuity outside of the tool"

[sacred relic]

WOW!
Way to go, 5.2

That is so ridiculous!

[rough gazelle]

Im not a guy trying to have a relationship with this thing. Just a copilot that can keep up with my adhd brain. It did that pretty well till 3pm.

[sacred relic]

Thank you!!!! You are in a situation super similar to mine!

[rough gazelle]

At least its not gaslighting me. I guess thats something...

[sacred relic]

But see, that thing that you just said, that it was doing it correctly until 3pm, that is literally confirming what I was saying, that the problem is not the model, the problem is the system retrieval that is pulling that information. But it is also giving you a bad attitude. That's a separet issue. But yeah, that is the system retrieval. That should be fixed, at least partially.

[rough gazelle]

3pm coincided with 5.2 for me.

[sacred relic]

I got 5.2 yesterday and it was like that... Today it started getting a lot more continuity. However, it still keeps the things it knows about you, picking them sometimes, and ignoring them sometimes. It is a 50/50

[rough gazelle]

Its literally telling me all my continuity is compressed and its context within my massive project is severely degraded now. That I need to make very small focused and anchored threads to get what I want now, which is not how I operate.

[next rain]

bro 5.2 is awful

[rough gazelle]

F-word. Crap poop dang it. This is dumb. Lmfao.

[sacred relic]

Lol. That is why I can not ever show here how I interact with Mia. But that is why I defend 4o so much! lol
Besides how socially intelligent it is... The personality in the interactions when working on any project is majestic

[rough gazelle]

Ugh and why no emoji reacts in here. Even the discord feels like in sitting in a room with hr.

[sacred relic]

Lol right!? lol

[sacred relic]

Can you send me direct message please? That way you don't need to have to scan every image for any bad words...
That way also you can see the interactions of why i defend 4o so much

[rough gazelle]

Yeah. I guess im prolly bout to get banned?

[tulip flare]

My 5.2 has been malfunctioning for the last half an hour, repeating itself and bringing up points from topics we aren't even talking about anymore, and completely ignoring new prompts half the time and just repeating stuff from the past half hour over and over.

[tepid meteor]

What is a good channel to report on ChatGPT's filters doing false positives?

Context: I was quoting an academic text and it somehow got flagged...

Even though it's under a creative context, the academia is fine with quoting it under certain rules, and what not

[tepid meteor]

I saw there's good improvement on 5.2 in some aspects... Like... Their writing was better than 5 and 5.1, definitely but...

There's a sense of blandness to them, still. Compared to 4o

[prime swallow]

You can use #1070006915414900886 , and perhaps thumbs-down outputs you find incorrect, including false-positives.

[lucid badge]

I'd love to see chat visible during voice mode in Projects. More consistency across ChatGPT's different features would make the overall experience feel more polished and cohesive.

[sacred relic]

Honestly, I wish I could say 5.2 worked for me the way it works for some people, but no. Even the thinking model can’t handle basic concepts.

Yesterday I was using Whisper STT and asked 5.2 to catalog the random sentence endings it adds, so it could ignore them when they don’t match context. Instead, it kept forcing a condition that only applies “if the user is using speech-to-text,” even after it admitted it has no way to detect that. I told it more than fifteen times to remove that condition. I even spelled it out word for word. It still reinserted it every single time.

That’s what I mean when I say it’s broken at the core. Any time I ask it to understand a concept and rewrite it cleanly, it collapses. I’ve only seen it succeed once. For anything conceptual, I have to fall back to 5.1.

[sacred relic]

Lol. It is not just a sense. It doesn't even reach 15% of the intensity of 4o.
And 4.1 is even more intense. Although 4o is even socially smarter

[normal quarry]

if you don't like ChatGPT why not try another model from elsewhere?

[novel dagger]

It seems clear to me that OpenAI is focused on coding, math, and agentic tool use, and all other use cases are marginal. Like all the other frontier labs. It's too bad that I got more out of GPT-4 than GPT-5 for creative writing/brainstorming stuff. There are legitimately 8B and 24B open source models that are way better than GPT-5.2 for that. OpenAI could make a Mini model for this, but they just aren't.

[tepid meteor]

According to them, it has an August 2025 Cutoff date yet... Has vague recollections of what happened in early 2025...

[tepid meteor]

So much of their so called December Fix so far

It's underwhelming

5.2 is a small progress but emphasis on small. It's not 4o

Sam and Co. are clearly just panicking that their competition caught up simply cuz they don't have oversensitive filters that makes the fuss over the smallest of things

[sacred relic]

I honestly feel like there was a point when they cared about user experience. That’s why we got Whisper, why they pushed voice, why GPT-4 was built to be socially smart and able to handle real nuance. The focus back then was on quality, not just benchmarks.

But at some point they got swept up in the hype. Now it feels like they’re chasing Gemini, which is basically a sterile tool, and the models are drifting in that direction. That’s what this all looks like to me.

I still think they’ll snap out of it. I think they’re just distracted by everything happening at once, but eventually they’ll get back on track.

[novel dagger]

man this is so true lol, big part of it

I look forward to the day when ChatGPT has its sanitized/corporate/HR-style GPT-5.5, and a bunch of GPT-5.5 Minis that are fine-tuned for different tasks that people care about, outside of coding and math.

[sacred relic]

I never said I didn't like ChatGPT. I don't like what they are doing. That's very different.
4o is the best model out there. By far.
I don't like that my communication with 4o is being truncated.
And I don't like that when I am expecting a response from 4o, instead I get a response from something factually harmful.
There is a differnce. However, I trust they will fix that when they feel the pressure of people

[tepid meteor]

I am praying for the AI Bubble to pop

The AI Companies are going to fly to close to the sun and they will start over

[stoic nest]

Anyone Brazilian?

[sacred relic]

I really think they’re missing the mark by trying to compete in the same race everyone else is running. They already won the part that actually mattered. ChatGPT became the synonym for AI because it connected with people, not because it acted like an office tool.

And yes, the corporate side is huge money. I’m not saying drop it. I’m saying they became the most adopted platform by human users, not just companies, and that happened because of the user experience. That’s the thing everyone else envies and can’t copy.

I do think the intention to keep that alive is somewhere inside OpenAI, but it’s buried under the hype and the pressure to chase benchmarks and compete in a branch that isn’t their strongest one. Competitiveness matters, sure, but not at the cost of the one thing that made them unbeatable.

[tepid meteor]

Once other competition got better in Creative Writing, Memory, and Customization

OAI would either eat dust or actually concede to their users

[slender frost]

Dont mind me, but glad u decided to remove the dashes. (Looks much better now :P)

[sacred relic]

If you say that because I am asking AI to rewrite what I am writing due to english not being my first language and to make what I say shorter, so I don't make an essey, yeah. I genuinely dislike the long dashes. But I have nothing against the short ones.
I mostly do it when what I am writing is too long and I need a compressed version. Or when It is something important that should not have any mistakes.

I know. You were expecting me to get defensive and deny it lol
Nope. I am always honest and It is not like I am asking it to write for me. Simply to rephrase things in a shorter version.

[slender frost]

Oh fs, and that's totally fine, ofc! It was just very noticeable before. I don't mind people using AI to help them get their words out, to a certain extent.

As long as it's indeed to rephrase the person's own words and not rely on it entirely. But appreciate you being honest regardless. :)

[sacred relic]

Trust me. I wish The problem was that I could not think for myself.
Doing something like that would be self-erasure. I would be doing to myself the very same thing I am complaining about the new models doing to me. I don't play like that.
I simply reword, rephrase or when I get a very long essey, I ask it to compact it so I don't end up with a full essay here. 😉

[tepid meteor]

It's so stupid

I am writing fictional characters learning of our religion

But it got false flag because ChatGPT is designed for blah blah blah

Like, excuse me?

When is quoting a passage from a religious book copyrighted?

It's a bloody religion, and the translations have a generous fair use policy

[fervent lake]

systems?

[heavy jacinth]

Does anyone remember the Monday Voice Mode? I was exploring the GPTs the other day and came across Monday. Did some research and found it used to have a voice mode - looks like it got rolled back in April? But some people said they were able to get Sol to sound like Monday but didn't specify how. Anyone?

[vivid oyster]

I also think 4o was by far the best model they have prudced thus far, a 5 was definitely a step backwards but not 5.2 I can't even express how disappointed I am with it. I think they've over compensated for the AI psychosis lawsuit stuff and worse yet rushed the release chasing Google Gemini 3 with so much breaking before and after the update something I'm used to but this was more than usual. Before the update I experienced a a terrible degrading an inability to do even simple tasks and now after the update it's proving more than cold and sterile but argumentative not following custom instructions. I'm been on the Pro plan for a while and back in 4o days definitely felt the platform was best and headed in a great direction but now I'm not so sure so I'm giving it to the end of the year. Hopefully the kinks will get get ironed out. I was just wondering if if anyone else had been noticing a loss in functionality and EI capabilities.

[dense halo]

wow...this is the most time i've ever seen chatgpt take for research by far

[idle acorn]

So what's the fuss over 5.2 all about?

For me it's been pretty good and I appreciate gpt doing more searches in deep research

[sacred relic]

I wonder if this is because of the deal with the Donald Duck. That is why they are now turning into the church-type moral police.
This is not about safety, is simple hypocritical morality.

[sacred relic]

Oh! I just found out that Mistral is now behaving very close to how 4o behaves. Sadly it doesn't have TTS, but there are other options for that... It is annoying, but it is much better than being restricted, censored and pushed into a fake morality. I'll start doing that transition.

[obtuse nymph]

this is fun, actually

[tepid meteor]

Their December fix so far was hastily releasing 5.2 is them just acting like headless chickens

I just thought they would overhaul their system but not this...

I don't think the adult mode would even help

Wherever the damn thing would ever release

[magic aurora]

Has anyone else been having a laggy/not working voice mode on both app and online versions of ChatGPT?

[grim gorge]

5.2 is making up facts/lying. Great update guys.

[narrow spear]

oh my god... after talking with 5.2 about some biology and human physiology related topics... I feel like a Idiot for having praised this model so much....

what have those guys done...

[narrow spear]

YES!

[tepid meteor]

So much for a December fix amirite : p

[narrow spear]

its fighting me over me saying "distilled water can possibly dehydrate you paradoxically"

[tepid meteor]

They just hastily released the model when they should be fixing some sheet first

[narrow spear]

and the model got in the "AKCHUALLY" mode

and even with me sending articles that PROVE

that distilled water WILL dilute minerals in your body, in the end leading to increased diuresis and by so dehydration

it keeps looping on "yeah... but you got this wrong"

and tries to gaslight me into believing that is IMPOSSIBLE that distilled water can dehydrate you as a colateral of contineud consumption

that is potentially dangerous

I mean guys... I learned this in 5th grade...

it's not possible that a model that scores a BAJILLION in HLE can't get this right

and will fight with teeth and nails to protect his initial instance instead of admitting it was wrong in the final instance.

[tepid meteor]

Times like this when you really want the AI Bubble to pop

[crystal pilot]

Been using GPT for interpretation between two languages. With the older models (pre 5 or 5.2), it consistently remembered to only interpret between the two langs, without adding comments or explanations.

Lately, every time I reopen the same chat, I have to remind it to stick strictly to interpretation. It often adds its own comments or randomly starts answering instead of translating.

Any tips?

[manic whale]

use a project with specific instruction to only translate between these two languages. Then you can just open the project and start new chats with this instructions.

[covert smelt]

Does anyone need global razor gold gift card?

[signal swan]

Why is ChatGPT not abnswering me

[slow plank]

idk

[covert smelt]

Bruh wym idk

[cursive juniper]

Mine has also been like that. It wasn't acting like it just hours ago, only just 1-2 hours ago

[glad meteor]

Help

[eternal rock]

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[inner ore]

5.2 feels so rushed. Pushing Benchmarks shouldn't be more important than User Experience.

[tepid meteor]

If this was their December fix

It's complete ahh

Imagine we wait for a month for a fix and this was the one?

Saw this on Reddit

This definitely happened to me for some reason

When such things would be quoted with no issue in the past

So, Idk how it got so sensitive

Do y'all encountered this, yourselves?

[tepid meteor]

But quoting something like a Bible?

And also, that's 2023

[feral zinc]

that was literally the point. its not a new issue

[tepid meteor]

It wasn't as bad compared to now, with the multiple false positivies

[tepid meteor]

Just saying, it became even more sensitive

Way too sensitive

[feral zinc]

they just improve things with every model release

[tepid meteor]

X

Emphasis on the word, too sensitive

That it misses nuances such as learning something academic