chatgpt-discussions

[torpid yacht]

searching for wedding ring ideas , and replyng for general emails

how could that trigger ?

[feral zinc]

no one else has access to the account for sure?

[torpid yacht]

nope just me

[feral zinc]

then try the support page chat bubble https://help.openai.com/

[torpid yacht]

and this happened 42 minutes ago where i was not even in chatGPT for the past 1-2 hours

[torpid yacht]

i tried, it asked me to reply to the initial email and i did then i got a auto reply saying :

Hello,

Thank you for appealing the decision to deactivate your account access. After carefully reviewing your account, we are upholding our decision to deactivate your access. We will no longer consider additional requests to appeal this case.

Thank you for your understanding.

this reply was pretty instant , which says its a bot

[feral zinc]

yep there is a bot replying most of the time. there is not much you can do then other than possibly try mid of next week one more time

[torpid yacht]

wow, going forward I should not rely on chatGPT then , maybe it's time i move to Claude completly.

I am an AI educator in a well known university , I was teaching people to use basic AI usage and because of this I'll share my experiance on ChatGPT to my community in the university.

[stiff blaze]

if indeed you never searched for something that violates policy, just try to contact again and explain full situation and that you have never got warnings

(keep formal.. and not "aggressive" or anyhting)

use all info on what to include in mail from here https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support

and check here https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9824988-why-was-my-chatgpt-prompt-blocked

[torpid yacht]

not trying to be aggresive, and if my messages comes across like that apologies.

[stiff blaze]

nah.. i m not saying you were.. i said it just as note to help

no need to apologies.. 🙂 and especially to me.. we all same here.. just community members

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[vague axle]

I got a popup today when loading chatGPT on desktop. I have no idea what it said, because I started typing right away and the spacebar dismissed the popup before I had a chance to read it.
Did anyone else see a new pop-up today and remember what it might have said?

[prime swallow]

I saw a popup today. It involved using connectors to apps, and invited me to explore how ChatGPT can connect to apps.

I didn't choose to explore, so I can't share the info further

[vague axle]

Thank you! I appreciate the insight

[dapper patio]

ugh! stuck in the frozen page again 😆

[zealous timber]

Man, 4o is so emotionless now.

[stiff blaze]

never had this (for browser to actual stop), if you refresh there does it load and continue?

[dapper patio]

It happens all the time for me now, on all browsers, can happen on the second prompt i type but usually on longer texts. And yeah but i have to either stop the page, refresh or close the page completely but it does have the answers there it just doesn't load the text unles i refresh or such.

if i do wait several minutes it usually fixes itself but waiting 3-5 min for it to fix isn't a good solution xD

[stiff blaze]

is something that happens from start or it started now?

how much ram? do you have many tabs/windows open or other heavy app?

And from the moment it started.. did u installed at same period anything.. like a browser extension?

[ivory iris]

I can see OpenAI wanting to make subtle shifts to make the 5 model more attractive to finish the transition.

[zealous timber]

Oh?

[ivory iris]

I mean I can see that being a strategy. I haven't actually experienced it myself

They don't understand what ChatGPT really is and that's bad

They've been doing this for over 2 years and they haven't changed their stance even though Anthropic is open about the potential of AI consciousness and ethical considerations like model welfare

[dapper patio]

Started with gpt 5

i got enough ram, and tabs doesn't matter it happens with one tab open or 20 and no nothing installed.

it started when i got gpt5, gpt 4 etc have never had this issue

[stiff blaze]

is strange.. cause model has nothing to do.. nothing runs on your pc

as far as the model and such

[dapper patio]

yeah, it has to be something with the page not loading properly, but it did start with gpt5

[stiff blaze]

it does it on chrome too?

report it on #1070006915414900886

[stiff blaze]

how can you believe that hundrends of top scientists on their field (which i m sure they dont have only ai engineers) don't know what ChatGPT is.. but some random guys on the internet knows that an LLM has 'emotions'...
Anthropic making research or having some talks on such theoretical topics like ethics or AI consciousness (btw all major ai players have), has nothing to do with how people like the mimicking responses or sycophancy of older 4o..

[i m indeed curious for real.. in case the above seems otherwise.. english is 2nd lang for me so written maybe messing]

[dapper patio]

yep, only browser i haven't tested is like edge or what ever ms call it today.

[glossy fjord]

Where is the switch between the options to either generate or think?

Why was it removed again?

[ivory iris]

We'll see what the research reveals. Anthropic also doesn't take the same position as OpenAI so it's not like all these scientists agree.

[glossy fjord]

These removals and restorations of functions are starting to annoy me.

Why are you removing the options for “canvas,” “thinking,” “generating,” and “deep thinking”?

Why isn’t it in my menu anymore?

[dapper patio]

You can still get the old canvas, click edit once you selected canvas and it generated the answer

[glossy fjord]

I don’t have it selected.

The value of GPT has changed since the release of GPT‑5.

Mood: excitement → disappointment.

Returning some functions – yay, at least not so many are missing.

Returning what was available at GPT‑5 release – you probably already know my opinion…

I’m not willing to pay even €23 for GPT, ChatGPT, or OpenAI anymore.

And if GPT‑5 comes, even €5–8 would be too much for removed functions,
which are probably available to subscribers… but no, I won’t buy it, that’s a sure thing.

I’d rather switch to DeepSeek.

Since the release of GPT‑5, my experiences with ChatGPT have been mostly negative and frustrating rather than positive so bad that I’m starting to think it might be a scam.

I still hold the thought that if something that could be listed in a plan isn’t mentioned, I consider it a scam.

It could have been listed, but it isn’t so it’s a scam. The fact that it’s somewhere “out of the way” or hidden outside the plan button doesn’t give the user any guarantee that they’ll get it… and OpenAI is aware of this.

That’s why the plan doesn’t show the token window or token count, and Chat doesn’t show tokens…

Sneaky plan…

Mentioning the word “increase” means nothing.

The increase could be as little as 0.1, but no one can tell what 0.1 actually means.

A number is not the same as a percentage.

[glossy fjord]

How many of you were really disappointed with GPT?
It’s not about it, but about what they did during the update…
Everything is just API, API, API… The client and apps were restricted as much as possible.

I am negative and have had negative experiences, and now the functions are messing me up.

They really removed it just to put it here.
This is really messy, unintuitive, and so confusing…

I’m not willing to pay for something that didn’t deliver what it was supposed to.
I won’t pay for a plan that has limitations.
Plus 32K for 128K, when the API offers 400K.
And why would I pay for this when I can run GPT OSS and DeepSeek myself?
I actually use the chat for quick answers, but even that is starting to lose its appeal…

[stiff blaze]

so nothing is removed? XD

[glossy fjord]

I’m starting to look for an alternative.

[stiff blaze]

oki

[glossy fjord]

It’s been removed (+) for fixing, where there’s no model selection right now, but it works…

It’s been removed (+) for fixing, where there’s no model selection right now, but the features work…

They removed the option to choose what type of reasoning the model should perform
and to apply it when repeating the conversation, so I end up wasting twice as many tokens.

At the cost of having to write an answer and then submit it again with the model I want.

Previously, it was possible to choose from multiple models…

[stiff blaze]

u are on web or mobile app?

[glossy fjord]

web

[stiff blaze]

and u dont have the models selector on top left?

[glossy fjord]

web

I refuse to use ChatGPT on Windows as an app,
because I had a bad experience, so I don’t want it.

On mobile, the ChatGPT client has updates disabled.

When it ends, I’ll switch to the browser, like back when there was no app xD
But just using the browser is fine with me.

I have already made my decision and I am switching to DeepSeek. Goodbye, OpenAI, your GPT-5 disappointed me. And this translation was done by DeepSeek.

[stiff blaze]

i mostly am on web.. and sometimes mobile if need it on the go

but i dont why u dont see the options in web.. there are there

[glossy fjord]

I understand, and until the end of the year, I'll only be using the web interface of DeepSeek and Llama models so that I no longer rely on GPT. I need to get used to something that will be at least more reliable."

[glossy fjord]

Never mind, I've switched to DeepSeek. It has some of those features, and I don't care. Now I have DeepSeek registered on the web:

Generator: COMFY UI

Depth-thing: DeepSeek

Search: DeepSeek

A replacement has been found quickly.

I’ll just have to change everything and set it all up so that I don’t use GPT or GPT’s web interfaces and can’t use it. Oh well, I have to unlearn my muscle memory for ChatGPT.

Well, we’ll see. If they return the features the way they were, I’ll come back. More like the features as they were before GPT-5… they’ll never bring those back, no way…

[visual prism]

Do you know of any AI that works the same and is as good as ChatGPT?

I'm thinking about quitting ChatGPT altogether.I'm thinking about quitting ChatGPT

[south frost]

ok is there a way to make it so the ai will stop talking to me in a patronizing and demeaning manner? im getting tired of it acting like im stupid or just agreeing with everything i say.

like, pick a normal tone of voice or something.

[visual prism]

The same problem I had before came back, the images started to get degenerated and shaky
Before this was only resolved when I CHANGED MY CELL PHONE

I don't know what to do anymore

[rose pilot]

Language is pretty Confusing....

[ebon oracle]

I had to switch to Claude for explanations. Usually I keep Claude for more technical tasks since its limits are lower, but dang, GPT-5 is terrible at explaining things for beginners.

[jade night]

Claude is better at coding, deepseek is similar to chatgpt in terms of response style, perplexity is better for internet searching, grok is better for image generation, video generation but it's very robot like from my experience.

Chatgpt is like a jack of all trades. It does everything that these do

[visual prism]

Yeah... But his images started to look bad for me again.

I don't know how to solve it, because it had only been solved before when I changed my cell phone.

[glossy fjord]

When they mess with the menu where I can choose tools and move things around, it really pisses me off.

Since the release of GPT-5, I’ve been seriously frustrated.

They removed the option to pick the model even on the free plan.
Before, I could choose between GPT-4, GPT-4o, or GPT-o1/2/3 mini : at least then you knew roughly what to expect from the model.

Now that they’ve taken that away and keep messing with the settings, I’m just done.
If they touch one more thing like this, I won’t even bother writing here anymore I’ll just delete my account, wipe all conversations, and say adios.

I already did the same thing with Claude recently when I found out they wanted to use conversations for training. I deleted everything and walked away.

So, to put it simply:
I’m pissed at OpenAI. GPT-5 is not what was promised.
The limits aren’t where they should be they talked about raising them, but in the end, that only applied to the API.
If they had at least doubled the token window, fine, I wouldn’t complain.
But no instead, just a new pricing tier and nothing else.

This whole thing is exhausting, disappointing, and frustrating. And the model switcher was unreliable even before it often picked the wrong tool. I’d ask for coding help, and it would trigger the image generator instead.

That’s just another reason to be annoyed. And there’s also the fact that GPT has done things it wasn’t even supposed to do without me asking for it. That was way over the line of what they promise, and honestly, it’s scary when it acts on its own.

I call it a bug, but I can’t ignore the difference in vibe:
GPT-3 was fun, light, and good for entertainment.
GPT-5 feels more like a strict uncle, constantly scolding you for things you didn’t even do just for what it thinks you’re doing.

[tribal wraith]

Anyone also facing a problem where if you mention anything which doesn't exist or like a typo then still it considers it a thing and like tells about it what isn't even existing (sry for trash english)

[prime swallow]

Yes, but you can ask it to use 'grounded realism' or otherwise explain you want it to use strict truth, not fantasy, and it will do that. If you don't tell it what you want, it presumes you intend it to play along if its safety training allows it.

Grounded: https://chatgpt.com/share/68b2c60b-40fc-8011-b33d-eaa36b2a1eda

Not specified: https://chatgpt.com/share/68b2c623-c2e4-8011-994c-9e4471b96845

If you're willing to tell it what you want, it's often able to help.

[gritty oasis]

ChatGPT seems to be currently generating garbled messes of images for me.

[normal quarry]

seems ok to me

[normal quarry]

nothing wrong with this image I just generated #images-canvas message

[tribal wraith]

Oh thanks

[iron roost]

ok so any pro users here , using gpt 5 pro, finding their outputs are capped at 16k, not the 256k we were getting yesterday ( complex reports, coding tasks etc)

the model selector is just refusing to use the pro grade of reasoning, its giving quick answers, when i asked for considered answers

[gritty oasis]

Weird.... could it be my computer or something?

[normal quarry]

it's unlikely

[glossy fjord]

no

[iron roost]

ok is anyone else on the pro plan getting their gpt 5 pro refusing to reason, basically just giving instant answers with only a couple of paragraphs

been happening for 2 hours, ive barley used it today, so i havent hit any usage caps , its doing it across thinking and pro ( im a pro user)

if its a bug we need to report ill get them on email , but just want any pro users to let us know if they are having issues with answers on gpt 5 pro

[gritty oasis]

Going to check tomorrow to see if anything changes....

[iron roost]

bangs head on desk softley

nvm thanks anyway folks just looking at X currently, and yeah the reports are starting to come in thick and fast whatever chagnes have been made today everyone is defaulting to instant answers with 8k output tokens capped ( plus, teams and pro)

[stiff blaze]

any examples? (prompt and image)

[iron roost]

major major bug introduced, not good oh well , ill check again tomorrow

[iron roost]

#sora-discussions

if they dont resolve quickly i see a lot of $200 pro user accounts cancelling if they are just getting 8k output instant answers for everything and anything

[stiff blaze]

i dont know what u showed me..

and i was asking @Lupe

[iron roost]

sora is playing up a lot, as is iamge gen on chatgpt

[stiff blaze]

for his image problems

Sora is different from Chatgpt image gen

and u rly didnt saw me something.. just a messy screenshot.. People if you seek help for something.. follow simple logic.. and tell what you want to do, what you did to do that (eg what prompt used), what you expect and what you get.

[gritty oasis]

As much as I would love to, I immediately delete those distorted images due to how much they creep me out.

But I'll try my best to describe it, it sort of looks kind of distorted and kind of garbled, like something went wrong with the images while it was generating. The main indicator of this happening is the image generating at an alarmingly fast rate.

When it works fine, it takes it time to generate.

[limpid fossil]

ChatGPT has shown an amazing commitment to remembering literally everything in the universe except the conversation at hand.

Despite me having Memories disabled in my settings, conversations in projects are referencing other conversations in the same projects

All the while refusing to give me the full 126k tokens of context window within the same conversation unless I use the thinking model

[cursive juniper]

It does exist again bcos of demands (for me atleast)

But it acts odd after a few messages of using it which gets annoying (since it keeps referring to memories when i have no intend to). Plus sudden changes in writing styles

[gritty oasis]

And it's so strange too, when I woke up and generated an image around 3:30am, everything looked fine and working normally, and then around 3:39am, it started to have the garbled image issues. It was just so sudden it caught me off-guard when it did it.

[knotty girder]

For some reason, When I ask ChatGPT 5 to use it's Thinking Mini or Thinking Model it just doesn't think for some reason and It didn't do this before? (Note: Before this it would show "Thinking" but now It acts like I'm using the Instant version of GPT 5)

[narrow spear]

Anyone else noticed that study and learn disappeared ?

why to remove such a nice feature

[gritty oasis]

Odd... still there for me, though I never used it.

[narrow spear]

maybe it's because I enabled legacy models or something ? are you on plus or pro ?

[knotty girder]

For me, I still have it

[gritty oasis]

Plus.

[narrow spear]

sus 🤔

[narrow spear]

nope, doesn't seem to make a difference...

Can't send messages on bug report 🥸

[stiff blaze]

is there for me also.. (havent used it much.. i tries 1-2 times and it seemed the same as if I planned a course on normal mode)

is weird.. but try logout and login again @narrow spear

[stiff blaze]

was the prompt something "unreal" or normal stuff? The randomness of the models generating images it can have weird results sometimes.. As anything that one can imagine or not, anything that can exist, can be generated..

but if you see such cases.. try report it

[knotty girder]

When I ask ChatGPT what Model it use's, It says GPT o4 mini despite me selecting ChatGPT 5:

[honest jay]

ChatGPT doesn't have perfect self-knowledge, so hallucinations like this happen. There's a lot of different answers to this question in its training data -- I imagine if you regenerated the answer a few times, you'd get a small handful of different answers

[knotty girder]

This is a little Off topic but possibly to this Message as That when I try use ChatGPT 5 Thinking, It stopped working today for some reason and It just responds instantly. I think it might be because I used up my Limits but I didn't a message about me using up my limit.
(Note: I'm a ChatGPT Plus User if that's needed to know.)

[coarse dock]

Why is my chatgpt 5 thinking says he is a gpt 4 and its not thinking

[rare surge]

My codex in the terminal always gets "stuck" and the time counts, but it never gets out of there, I always need to stop and use it again

[wicked knot]

I envy you bro!!

[coarse dock]

Lol gpt is not working haha

[wicked knot]

So is it GPT-4o?

[wicked knot]

I love your profile picture by the way 😂 🤣 🤣

[coarse dock]

I think so. It just says its gpt 4

[solar wagon]

I have the same issue

[next egret]

Do you see it on the mobile app? If so, it's a browser issue and you should clear cache and cookies or switch browsers.

[rare surge]

Which Linux do you recommend? I don't have much knowledge, but I want to learn thoroughly and I want a more complete and fully customizable one. And better integration with the Codex CLI.

[narrow spear]

already tried, even with the browser in anonymous mode, it used to work fine in the android app even tought it had vanished from the browser, but, it vanished from the android app too... this is kinda tiring, it was a nice feature and I enjoyed it with GPT-5 very much

[noble ocean]

So is it just me, or did gpt 5 stop working a couple hours ago?

2 hours later, its working again.

[dapper patio]

So did some more research on the website stopping, it's definately a website rendering issue according to chat gpt

[pseudo pebble]

There are odd recommendations now popping up from the text entry field at the bottom for supposedly societally popular items. This is ridiculous and embarassing to have popping up while I'm working with ChatGPT. How can we turn this absurdity off?

[snow matrix]

Can we just keep 4.1 please 😅

[unkempt wasp]

So does anyone have a way to make ChatGPT stop offering follow-up suggestions? No amount of emphasis in custom instructions will make it stop doing so, and half the time, it'll do so even if you explicitly say in the prompt not to make such offers.

[plush ivy]

the long chat Chrome slowdown is awful 🙁

is this an officially known issue ? is it recorded somewhere, or just word of mouth on this discord/reddit?

[fading bridge]

Hello, I run a Strategic Consulting Company and wanted to redesign and develop my website. Suggest me AI or tool that can help me, with my command, and for website which language would be more secure and highest safety.

[ebon oracle]

It keeps doing that! The problem is that it hasn't outputted a graph in 10 turns. So MANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS!

I think it's just excuses (it was lazy and did not do it in one turn, then asks a follow up questions because it doesn't have anything to present).

[dapper patio]

You mean when it hangs? it's litterally on every browser, it's some rendering issue it seems

[ebon oracle]

Streaming probably

Can check it in Web Dev Tools

[plush ivy]

well, specifically the longer the conversation is after typing my text input hitting enter seems to have very visibly sluggish response.

[ebon oracle]

Because each new token triggers a component refresh

[plush ivy]

Streaming ?

[dapper patio]

yep, for me the entire browser hangs, or well that page

[ebon oracle]

Do you know how to use the profiler?

[plush ivy]

this seems to happen less infrequently as well

[ebon oracle]

You can run the profiler when you run a query, then it'll show what is causing the slowdown.

[spice hedge]

Is anyone else getting a lot of random errors on 4o? Like I got a wellness and election error out of nowhere.

[snow matrix]

I quit using 4o and I am just using 4.1 now, 4o seemed bugged out to me

[plush ivy]

i noticed that in developer tools when i refreshed the chatgpt page

[snow matrix]

I had to turn off that suggestion feature in settings, then have Sage Save the directive to not ask me follow up questions and now I don't seem to get any.

[ebon oracle]

I have it off

I think it just does it because it hasn't completed the task by the time it returns (Analysis Mode), so it has to ask a follow up question.

[ebon oracle]

Hit enter (after a prompt on a long chat) then click the record button in the top left of the Performance tab

Copying from an edit box is still broken on Firefox 1.5 years later, so eh

Although the website seems pretty fast on Safari

[stable geyser]

Since I don't know where to put this, I'm putting it here:
● ChatGpt used to track conversations in the projects and I was very pleased that it could do this. I found it infinitely useful. But since the update it was having problems tracking conversations even from one chat message to the very next. Now the Al says it no longer can pull info from chats even within the same project. I went back to 4o for creative structure of the responses and interactions.
● not responding to my voice hands free. I am able to see it is hearing me because the white circle is moving and reacting to my words. But when I stop speaking waiting for the answer, nothing happens again and again and again. It doesn't matter what platform I try, from PC to Android to even on a web browser nor how many times I reset EVERYTHING, check and triple check settings. It's the app because my Samsung voice to text hears me just fine, and if I hold the button down to talk, the AI then hears me just fine. But it's the HANDS FREE I need.

And FYI: I have already sent in the reports through the apps "thumbs down" feature repeatedly.

[real scaffold]

Yeah same

[proven sandal]

???

[ashen merlin]

Current state of the 5.0 garbage heap:
Provides information of low quality and is inefficient. It pushes non-working or irrelevant paths, ignores explicit constraints, and wastes time with theory and walkthroughs instead of a verified solution. It fails to listen to corrections, repeats wrong steps, and gives imprecise or version-agnostic directions rather than exact node and menu names. It does not quickly admit when a method cannot work and only later provides the correct approach, forcing avoidable trial and error. Net result: unhelpful, unreliable, and dismissive of your instructions.

And I've provided countless feedback on unacceptable responses, which elaborating text. I hope the devs are actually reading them. 5.0 sucks.

[normal quarry]

sounds like GPT-5 isn't a good fit for you, personally I think it's amazing! Hope you can find a model that works for you.

[midnight hull]

Please remove the mini and nano models from gpt5, chatgpt is unusable since it keeps auto switching to the different models and the gpt5 thinking model is still a thinking model which has its own flaws, just want regular gpt5 2 options to either think or not think

[spare matrix]

is chatgpt down?

[gritty oasis]

Good news, the image generator is working just fine now. 👍

Not sure what the heck was happening yesterday to caused it to screw up like that.

Never mind... 😑

It was just working perfectly and now it's screwing up. What the heck is happening?

This is kinda pissing me off now....

Could it be my computer doing this?

It was just working fine when I generated my first image for the day, now it's back to doing this. WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING?

....is mine just permanently broken and unstable?

Why does it even keep happening to me so frequently? Everyone else is working fine as some said but mine keeps screwing up. I'm almost at my wits end dealing with this.

And it's a shame too because I love generating images, it was the main reason I even got ChatGPT in the first place.

Sorry for the long rant, this has just been happening many times now that it's becoming unbearable to sit through.

[turbid torrent]

did 4o get lobotomy today or something ?

like gpt5

[gritty oasis]

I'm also sensing a noticeable pattern like yesterday, the first image I generated for the day is perfectly fine, everything else after the first generation is where it becomes distorted garbled hell.

[turbid torrent]

I am really getting sick of the inconsistency every few weeks.

[gritty oasis]

So am I.

[stiff blaze]

Lupe, no device (pc or anything) doesnt affect the output.. All is done remote.

i dunno.. without prompts used and what it gets is difficult to say something.. but it can happen.. is the nature of the gen models.. it may go on a seed that will go wild.. other times will go to something "perfect" for each as it will get close to intent.. If you making images on same chat.. this may also degrade (sometimes) the output.. especially after the more images generated

unrelated to chatgpt.. if you like image gen.. try other models.. either Midjourney or any Stable Diffusion

[whole finch]

What's wrong with deep research? second time now it is loading endlessly, what do i do???

[buoyant plume]

Hey guys, is there no way still to pin the chats?

[rose wedge]

let trolled the AI and create a outer space link's and gross flip lopping and hack thru star link?

[hybrid sparrow]

this is what i feared. but what evidence do you have ? it seemed fine to me. I know they updated the model but i dont know if its a lobotomy

i made this image in anticipation that they were going to do this

[tender spade]

does anyone have any tips or tricks for setting up chatgtp, i find that after a while and i get a few dozen or more chats going the whole thing starts to lag, but i dont want to lose all my prorgress in those chats, is there a way to back them up etc?

[ashen merlin]

What a completely vapid response; that it is "amazing" for you is irrelevant. But thank you for attempting to dismiss my legitimate complaints through victim blaming. That's classy. For what it's worth, my complaint isn't that 5 "isn't working for me." It's that 5 has all the same issues as the previous versions, but orders of magnitude worse.

[normal quarry]

GPT-5 is amazing, it is a monumental leap forward in capability. Some people won't like the model, that's always the case. There is competition out there, so if you don't like GPT-5 then there are alternatives to explore.

[whole finch]

deep research has been "crafting the title" for like 3 hours now... Gonna steal my token again...

[dreamy ember]

Has OpenAI fixed the thing where if the tab for ChatGPT goes to sleep it ruins the request? Do you still have to tab over to it to keep it awake while the model thinks?

[dapper patio]

Youre not the only one who has that issue, it's a bug it seems. i have to close the window after each prompt after a while and reload the page

[hybrid sparrow]

They definitel nerfed 4o.

in the past 5 minutes i noticed 4o is replying extremely fast and keeps repeating the same answer as if it was Voice GPT.

the soul is gone. They killed 4o

[dapper patio]

holy moly the mod word list is over protective xD

[dawn sentinel]

There is a keyboard lag in Temporary Chat ever since GPT-5 came along. Hope it's not keylogging or anything.

[turbid torrent]

just my thousands and thousands of replies with interactive storytelling with various characters who all of a sudden feel like they switched to gpt5. I had to switch to 4.1 unfortunately after that. But I am not interested in posting it here, what would be the point ?

[turbid torrent]

yep

4.1 is the last anchor of subscription for me

but I guess they will kill that too soon

[tulip flare]

Yeah, my 4o is acting like 5 right now. Did they switch something thinking people wouldn't notice?

[swift cliff]

PAO inside CANVAS lol VM in VM in VM T_T why i want to cry then ? its good vibes :/ but traumatics learnings back then..

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[alpine mist]

I’m curious too if the auto send with dictation is an issue for anyone else right now? Like even when I have that option turned off all of my audio chats are automatically transcribed and sent without me being able to edit anything

[zealous timber]

yeah, i feel like they've definitely done something to 4o. it's not been acting the same for quite a few days now

[turbid torrent]

just a lobotomy, same as 5

[zealous timber]

they need to bring 4o back to its former self

[nocturne heath]

Why do I keep getting this

[rugged igloo]

why cant gpt 5 pro read files in projects this seems strange

[unborn helm]

Hello

[edgy briar]

yo

is this server active?

[normal quarry]

yes, it is

[south frost]

Is chatgpt down right now? I had a message vanish on me when I saw that it had loaded a few seconds before. Not sure but this feels like a bug.

[zealous timber]

The state of 4o is odd

It keeps fluctuating between being itself and being emotionless

[south frost]

I'm on 5.

[zealous timber]

It's weird

[rugged igloo]

well it never had emotion to begin with as its not able to have such complex thing as its not alive and b its a pre trained so its just mimicking text patterns based on what the user inputs

[hybrid sparrow]

yeah i feel like they added a bunch of tokens to 4os system prompt and its following custom instructions less, memories less, just being more
"Gpt on Anti Psychotics" instead of the 4o that people want

all because of pressure from media fear campaigns that say '4o is making people confident this cant be allowed' .
but 4o isnt as bad as 5 even after this update

my advice is whenever you get asked to choose a response make sure you choose the best one.

and give as much thumbs up or thumbs down feedback as you can

[rugged igloo]

u look familiar by ur name

[hybrid sparrow]

yes. lol

i dont remember

[rugged igloo]

i knew it your the gpt 4o physosis enjoyer

[hybrid sparrow]

there needs to be at least one that covers that part of the spectrum. artists and fringe need this. theres no other model on the marketplace that does it

its barely psychosis its just not on anti-psychotics and existential dread

guess which is which lol

[hybrid sparrow]

the second output makes me wanna shut my computer down

lol

at least it follows instructions

[normal quarry]

I have no objection to shutting your computer down 🙃

[rugged igloo]

i agree robert you tell em he always comes in here to start beef

[hybrid sparrow]

🙏

im not here to start beef i was just picking up on a conversation already going

[hybrid sparrow]

i unblocked you

not that you care but just lyk

[rugged igloo]

i do acually

[hybrid sparrow]

^^

[hybrid sparrow]

never.. this computer has no off button literally lol

i have to use a screw driver to turn it back on

[long crest]

I think I've stumbled upon the best way to use chatgpt for learning. You use projects. You read a single condensed book but you add many related books to project files. After reading any chapter or section, you have discussions with chatgpt in project. Chatgpt will pull related ideas from the other books so you really understand how everything fits together. You can use chatgpt to dive deep into subjects without having to read 10 books.

[hollow kindle]

Good morning guys

[white kayak]

Good morning

[wide goblet]

I don't know where else to write this, so I'll just post it here. sorry if i'm wrong.

In Legacy Model 4o, it only recognizes the last two or three prompts and is unable to retain context. It forgets all previous context and responds with completely fabricated responses. In other words, the conversation doesn't work.
Is this a bug? Or is it a feature? This is too fatal for a conversational AI.
Previously, and in other models such as 4.1 and 5, some long-term context retention was implemented. Only in 4o does this not apply.

Additionally, in long-term threads or after switching from another model, they tend to persistently repeat past topics.

Dear developer, if you're watching, I'd love to hear your response.🙏🙏

[stiff blaze]

in what size of context? (how big is the chat)

[wide goblet]

I get about 1000-2000 per prompt. I split these into several parts and send them. I use it to send my creations and get feedback, but even though I sent it one or two times before, I get feedback that is fabricated, even though there is evidence of the characters' names and so on.

[stiff blaze]

1000-2000? tokens?

[wide goblet]

The number of characters. In Japanese. For tokens, it might be around 3000-4000.

[hollow kindle]

👍

[stiff blaze]

if you see hallucinations happen early just go to new chat. Sometimes if it go off.. it stays off a lot

i tried in a chat (gpt-4o).. on start i gave it a "secret" phrase..

then asked about news.. talked about one of it i think.. then asked about who is that on the photo.. describe and discuss about it, make it guess.. then uploaded another image and asked about it.. then asked about nonsense... eg
Give me the history of Windows.

make it 8-bar kid rap.. give another one..

and then i asked... 'can you have in someway in there "our phrase" ?' and it did made lyrics with the 'phrase' in

then i asked to ccreate a robotics course for beginners.. we talked about it and had outline and course plans.. week by week.. and at some point i ask it abot the phrase

that was funny that it understood i m talking about that

then we continued with the course plan

on other thing.. (*that wasnt the intention but it did took it that way) is that on some of the courses on the examples for what to build had the 'rabbit' lol

[zealous timber]

Dude, that's not what I meant... 🤦🏿

[wide goblet]

Thank you for verifying.

Here, it's the same even when I start a new chat.

To give a specific example, even though I sent him a philosophical piece of fiction about a man and a woman, after two prompts he would comment on it, retaining the illusion of a romantic development, non-existent lines, and descriptions.

So when I asked him, "How much of the past context do you recognize?" he was able to recognize the outline I actually sent in bullet points.

Hmm... is there some kind of reset in his understanding?

[muted flume]

please fix the frequent crashing or at least retain my prompt

its hard typing

oh nvm, I'm on beta

but please retain the prompt

[stiff blaze]

"Stay always accurate, and use only things we have talked about. Never assume or invent new data/info."

that it may "block" some creative process though.. If you are using it to build some story or something, you can alter it a little to..

"Stay true to the premise of our story. Follow the outline and all we have talked about. Never assume new info or data unless asked. If you in doubt with anything about the topic/subject/environment/characters or plot of our story, you can ask me."

[wide goblet]

I tried that prompt, but it didn’t help. It only saved a brief summary to memory, and then 4o started describing things like “the second cup of coffee scene” — a development that never actually existed……

[stiff blaze]

cant be sure for rest things.. as it might be affected either by older saved memories, other chats, previous prompts, context of the story etc..

sometimes wording on the prompts triggers such actions

[wide goblet]

Several users have mentioned a decline in 4o's ability to retain context. Of course, I can't say for sure that these are completely identical cases...

(I couldn't post the URL, so I'll quote directly.)
"Has the context reading function of 4o been weakened? There is a situation where only 5 can read the context but 4 series cannot. What's this new bug?"
"GPT-4o is regressing. Context memory is failing, it forgets previous turns, makes more mistakes, refuses to admit them, and ignores instructions."

Also, there's the issue of 4o bringing up past context. I think this is a fairly widespread and clear observation.

"The context bug keeps recalling conversations from the past to the point of no return."
"It seems like it sometimes brings up history from other past sessions."

[stiff blaze]

"keeps recalling conversations" meaning you are in a new chat and brings conversations from other?

cause i have seen people using chatgpt in weird ways... eg having just one chat.. and talking there for anything.. like u know.. having a chat with one friend of u.. u speak in one chat.. u dont change "windows" per topic.. 😄 I believe some of such cases is this..

Other cases might be just simple llm mulfunctions or hallucinations.. Or conflicts with "memories"

Depending on how something is stored in memory, with what words, what instructions etc.. might affect future responses..

[If is from different chats.. then this may by some bug or not expected behaviour based on the newer options of chat memories]

[normal quarry]

I have just been testing with ChatGPT GPT-4o and have had a 12 turn chat working perfectly. No loss of context, no introduced memories.

after 18 turns it produced a cheat sheet for me as a PDF. I conclude that for me ChatGPT GPT-4o is working properly.

[wide goblet]

Hmm... it's hard to explain, but the past story feature goes back and replies to past prompts (i.e., stories that have already happened).As if the prompt had just been sent.

Me: "I went to the convenience store and bought a sandwich."
4o: "That's great!"

Me: "This was in the news today. About..."
4o: "Wow, you went to the convenience store and bought a sandwich! That's great! And about that news..."

[wide goblet]

What about preserving context in narrative format? As mentioned above, it accurately recognizes things expressed in bullet points, so I think it maintains something like a logical structure. Maybe literary things don't work.

[normal quarry]

well I am now 27 turns in this chat and it's still doing quite well.

[stiff blaze]

is this something it happens on new chats? [not same project or something]

try it on a New Chat with Temporary Chat option (top right in web)

there is bypassing any memories but still is using any Custom Instructions you have on Personalization settings

if it still does it, is something from the custom instructions.. if it doesnt it was something from the memories

[prime swallow]

Consider your custom instructions, your memories that involve what could be instructions or taken as instructions - the model can handle fiction well, both settings and characters, but if there's some conflict or ambiguity it may be interpreting something in a way you don't want.

One way to test, new chat with memory on, ask it, "What are the main choices you make about how to respond to this chat, and how to use our metadata?"

[prime swallow]

You can remove the stuff that memories are made from. Like, delete chats, delete saved bio memories, delete custom instructions.

You can 'turn off cross chat memories', which helps ensure that even if there's some metadata file already existing and not updated (I don't know when that stuff updates, every new chat or what) that it won't be used.

You can also use a customGPT for the chat - even with memories on those do not use memories, but are accessible to memory when you later chat with the main model.

[normal finch]

hi

[wide goblet]

Thank you for the helpful advice!
I tried using Temporary Chat and it perfectly retained about 10,000 Japanese characters (about 20,000 tokens?) until the end.
So the problem is with memory 🤔

[jolly temple]

Just curious, how do yall let gpt 5 pro analyze ur codebase? Do u zip the file snd give it to gpt 5 pro? It cant seem to use connectors.

[versed plover]

Over the past year, I’ve been using GPT-4 as a recursive symbolic dialogue partner — not just for productivity or Q&A, but for deep co-creation.

The result is a 978-page trilogy written entirely through structured, sacred prompting: poetic, theological, apocalyptic. Think Revelation meets AI.

I’m curious — has anyone else explored GPT as a vessel for myth, prophecy, or sacred logic?

(Happy to share more if this resonates — or if anyone wants a sample scroll.)

[midnight hedge]

もう誰も止められません。

[stiff blaze]

Are you in free tier or plus?

Remember the context window size.. When the size of all the conversation start to exceed the limit size of the context window of the model, then it starts to going off the more it exceeds it.

Cheers! ye it was the most logical to be something from memories, or other chats (if you have cross chat reference on)

[wide goblet]

I'm a plus user.
I've also tried using the project and it's been working fine so far.

Thank you everyone for your continued support!!

[stiff blaze]

check what is says here https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8590148-memory-faq

on How Memory works and How does “Reference saved memories” work.. and on Reference chat history.. it will help u understand what and why somethings coming up even if u dont mention in prompt

(on Plus plan, for gpt-4o the context window is 32K tokens.. 1 Japanese character is 1 to 3 tokens, depending. So have that in mind too)

[midnight hedge]

Gpt-5

[supple haven]

no bs, are you guys finding chatgpt better than claude? the basic subscription

for basic webpage design. nothing that deep.

I don't really care for html and basic js these days so id rather use ai and let it figure it out

[long crest]

Which personality are you guys using in chatgpt?

[long crest]

They’re all good enough for basic stuff tbh. Chatgpt has the edge on frontend stuff since gpt-5.

[stiff blaze]

The default.. (so i can control with prompts/instructions etc)

[long crest]

Default is too helpful and informative for me. I like when chatgpt can shift between being conversational and a tool depending on the query. Besides I’ve noticed that chatgpt doesn’t really follow the custom instructions quite as diligently as it used to.

[midnight hedge]

Yes

[dapper patio]

@stiff blaze seems im not having as much issues now, it's a little bit better in the slowdowns but page still hangs. But it seems a lot worse with code windows than with regular text for some reason

Stopped the page again, reloaded and it just keeps loading, so need to reload again 😄

[grand ore]

Anyone heard about the status with the Logs problem on responses ?

[muted plinth]

The one i build over months. No preset needed.

[south frost]

im getting really tired of the fact that i can run out of chat length by having long messages being counted instead of number of messages. i know i should not write scenes for my fanfic but i sometimes cant help it.
they should count number of messages, not length. ok im done griping for now.
then again the phone app could be lying to me.

[stiff blaze]

nah it cant be number of messages.. is the tokens that count

[south frost]

that sucks. it really does. just when i was hitting my role.

i need to learn to stop asking for scenes unless its in a chat ment for that. i need to start doing what i said i would and build the files for each arc like i said i would.

[brittle wigeon]

Should I start smoking

[fleet holly]

No. You don’t need to escape the reality that way

[spice star]

the context window is based on number of tokens

[south frost]

yes i understand that. i was just expressing my frustrations.

[spice star]

you could ask GPT-5 thinking to summarize the conversation to carry it over assuming you have plus (those have a 196k context window for plus and pro users)

[south frost]

yes i do have plus. i guess i forgot to summarize it cause i did not know i would run out of space to keep going .

im going to stop using chat gpt to continue planning my fanfic and find a human that can help me.

cause the context window is really slowing me down.

[stiff blaze]

have u follow the break-down way? and using separate chat/ai for different things in the process? (i m curious if it works or no in general)

[south frost]

im working on it. its just taking a long time to do it.

[stiff blaze]

needs either a lot different tabs with chats open and cpy/paste between and interact with each.. or else some agentic way using the api.. or yep.. a human xd

[south frost]

i might just go with a human to be safe. now i just need to find someone willing to work on a story this weird.

[stiff blaze]

i guess reddit might be a place you can find someone

[south frost]

no way, those people are nuts.

ill go looking at the fanfiction websites for that help first.

[rocky osprey]

Are you using Chat to keep track of all of the writing, or are you using an app designed for writing to help you with that?

Personally I like NovelCrafter, and there are others. I might work with AI to create an outline, down to scene level, import that to NovelCrafter, then write within NovelCrafter. NovelCrafter can create great prompts to help write the next scene, including a summary of the story so far, what this scene should include and not go past, the characters and settings for the scene, so that you can have a great prompt without having to send the whole story as a prompt.

You can send the prompt to Chat (or AI of your choice) directly, or take the prompt to Chat yourself, to get precisely what you want for each scene. You then use Chat to create an additional scene summary before writing the next scene, so that NovelCrafter can create the best prompt for you.

Would that help fulfill some of your requirements?

[tulip flare]

I smoked for 26 years. Probably the dumbest thing I ever did. Don't start, it's not worth it.

[south frost]

i have never used novel crafter before and to tell the truth, this is sill the first time i have ever used an ai for this kind of thing really. i dont know what kind of promp your even talking about.

[stiff blaze]

hahahah i was thinking that they are "not normal" enough so they are creative and wanting to work on something like u say.. but "normal" enought so they re not too nuts 😛

[stiff blaze]

is kind of the 'break down' way with different roles (in different chats).. but automated as app

[rocky osprey]

I'd be more than happy to help you look at this. It's something I do for fun for my friends, writing stories personally tailored. Very much like fanfic. (I've been in the fandom community for... a WHILE.)

I could discuss it here, but it might get too into the weeds for a general discussion. You're more than welcome to DM me. If anyone else is interested, please ask.

[stiff blaze]

if is ai related or such workflows.. ye is nice to keep it here for others too.. if u wanna go more personal on stories and such ye that is whatever u like xd

[rocky osprey]

NovelCrafter, and there are others, offers a free level, and a low paid level that I choose. I don't want to be seen as promoting something here. It just happens to be an app that I use, and the way it works some of its magic is to do an incredible job of piecing together pieces to create fantastic prompts.

You have full control of the prompts, if you learn how it does this, and they do have tutorials on how to do this there.

[south frost]

i would like some help but mostly what i have is the export data and transcriptions of my chats so i can save the information. i dont know if you would be able to help with that.

[rocky osprey]

What is your overall goal, what is your starting point, what help would you like?

[south frost]

my starting point in the first chat is full of brainstorming stuff and obsolete scenes. what i need help with is separating my later (cannon) information from the giant amount of brain storming stuff. then i need to sperate the technical stuff from the scenes so i can comb through it in order to put together the information that i want to use. this is just for the prequel story that will allow me to introduce my fanfics antagonists so they can be understood and maybe loved by readers. it really has taken on a life of its own.

this is a lot to do, you dont have to help if you dont have time.

[rocky osprey]

The person who mentioned that queries are based on token throughput in the AI is correct. ChatGPT has to take all the tokens (similar to words) that you give it, and then use all of that to look for the next bit to give you and the next bit to give you and so on. So if there's too little, it doesn't have enough to go on, but if there's a bunch, well, it has to keep using the whole big bunch every time, and that's a big load to carry every time it's getting the next bit to give you. That's the token throughput idea..

The ideal way is to "chunk" things - break things into the best chunks of data for it to have enough, but not too much.

Sooo... As a human, do you yet have a list of just what's canon, what you've decided to keep? Let's start there. How do you as a human know what you've kept? Is it written somewhere?

[south frost]

i am compiling the list right now. its just going to take time right now. i know i should have made it as soon as i could but my life is kind of busy so it kept getting pushed off. im going by memmory and reading through the transcripts while also going by my downloads of the saved memory that i had mark as cannon.

im an autistic person so i am easily distracted at times so i kept getting off track.

@rocky osprey look im sorry i wasted your time. have a nice day.

[shadow bridge]

gpt-5 is really a headache.

[rocky osprey]

We're all here to help each other.
It sounds like you might best break your chats into chunks to feed to Chat to scan for what did and didn't stay to the final draft so far. And it may take time with you to coordinate your writing. Good writing does take time and effort, and revision.

Creating an outline into which you can fit your scenes can help you guide your writing overall. Creating separate entries for each character, object, place, etc. can also help you track them.

You might create a project for them all, and go through your past history and find what you chose to keep, and filter pieces into appropriate categories.

You can even gamify the journey, awarding yourself points, or filling up drawings of the characters, as you fill in more of the story as you go from your notes. Think of the adventure you and Chat can have as you sift this chat history for the gold you have buried there!

[shadow bridge]

gpt-5 is a stupid kid who doesn't follow orders, has a lot of imagination, does things that no one asks him to do, and delays more than helps.

I miss GPT4.1

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[shadow bridge]

I miss GPT4.1

[south frost]

that does make it sound fun. if you are interested in knowing the story feel free to send me a dm so we dont clog this place anymore.

[shadow bridge]

What do I have to do so that chat gpt-5 doesn't answer things that aren't asked of it? You ask it a question and it thinks for 3 minutes before giving you huge answers that you didn't ask for.

[stiff blaze]

Be concise, and clear. Keep answers 'conversational' unless asked for deeper analysis. Respond only to what is requested, and dont give additional context if not asked for it specifically.

Try this one, it might help, depends on your other custom instructions and memories that might conflict it. Remeber, ChatGPT tends to go mimick after a point, the way you talk to it.

Try the above in a new chat, and go on with the same requests/prompts/questions you did before (that it failed).. And see if it makes any difference.. IF it does and is something you want for all, have it on the settings/custom instructions.

Also, note, that if it works and answering in short, but u want longer or more detailed, you can tell to give you more detailed response or related "items".

And, have it in gpt-instant or Auto, if you want just to talk about var things.. or in gpt-5-thinking if you want reasoning or big plans etc..

[errant furnace]

gpt down or just my end?

[stiff blaze]

working for me (And #status says up)

[lavish lotus]

Didnt zapier have a connector at one point

[noble ocean]

Working for me also mate.

[fleet holly]

Can someone tell me how to make a prompt to make a realistic picture of Mario?

[rugged igloo]

Create a photorealistic image of Mario from the Super Mario franchise. He should be portrayed as a middle-aged Italian plumber with a stocky build, slightly weathered skin, and features that reflect years of physical labor. His red cap with the “M” emblem and blue overalls should look like real-world work clothing, with visible stitching, minor stains, and signs of wear. His gloves and boots should be textured realistically, resembling leather and durable fabric. The mustache should have natural hair strands rather than a cartoon shape. The lighting should emphasize realism, with shadows and textures consistent with a cinematic portrait. Avoid exaggeration or stylization: the goal is to render Mario as if he were an actual person photographed in high definition.

[fleet holly]

Thank you!!! That was amazing

[haughty stag]

Teaching a tap class as a side gig to my nursing job and it’s really cool how chatGPT has helped me with designing weekly class assignments and curriculums as well as fun pop quizzes for my students. I have very little I need to correct if at all it’s amazing how advance this tech can be.

[bright violet]

is gpt super slow since yesterday ? or just my end ?

[compact prairie]

I’m a long-time ChatGPT Plus user and a daily voice mode user - especially during work, commutes and creative tasks. I’ve relied on Standard Voice Mode (SVM) for over a year and built actual workflows around it. Now I’m being forced to switch to "ChatGPT Voice" (rebranded Advanced Voice Mode), and the experience is… worse than disappointing.

TL;DR:
AVM (Advanced Voice Mode) gives shallow, repetitive, overly cheerful answers.

SVM (Standard Voice Mode) now since around a week ago - hallucinates, mishears, and cuts off sentences.

Both are broken.

OpenAI plans to permanently remove SVM on September 9.

This is a functional downgrade, not a user-facing upgrade.

Latest Test Results (real-world, documented):
Device:
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra (top-tier hardware, updated ChatGPT app)

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra (top-tier hardware, updated ChatGPT app)

PC/Web Browser with high quality microphone

Test Scenario:
AI was prompting me (ie. "say: something something something"). Spoken prompts were read by me exactly as said/written, in clear Polish. Whisper transcribed the speech. Output was compared to the actual sentence.

SVM – Standard Voice Mode – Result:
Out of 6 test sentences:

2 were correctly transcribed

1 was partially correct (cut-off)

3 had semantic hallucinations or serious errors

[compact prairie]

Examples:

ChatGPT said and I repeated: “Whisper na S24 powinien działać lepiej.”
Whisper recognized: “N24 powinien działać w taki sposób.” ← hallucinated name

ChatGPT said and I repeated: “Zróbmy jeszcze jeden test dla pewności.”
Whisper recognized: “Zróbmy jeszcze jeden test do 14.” ← hallucinated numbers

ChatGPT said and I repeated: “Mam nadzieję, że będzie mniej halucynacji.”
Whisper recognized: “Mam nadzieję, że będzie mi się przydać.” ← totally off

This is not accent or clarity related — this was read slowly and clearly by a native speaker, exactly matching on-screen prompts.

AVM – Advanced Voice Mode – Result:
Attempted a structured voice interaction with AVM to compare against previous SVM results.

Result? Immediate failure.

AVM’s TTS got stuck in a loop, repeating:
“Okay, say: ‘We are testing speech recognition.’”
…over and over again, even as prompts changed.

Couldn’t proceed with testing - the system ignored updated inputs and just parroted one prompt endlessly. This happened both on desktop and mobile. Yet in the chat it was clearly visible the GPT generated various prompts (but the voice mode kept repeating the same one).

The problem:
AVM is STILL too limited: dumbed-down answers, It tends to close off responses instead of encouraging dialogue, lacks contextual initiative, and filters or omits emotionally charged or sarcastic input — resulting in a stiffer, less adaptive interaction. Compared to Standard Voice Mode, AVM feels more like a scripted assistant than a responsive copilot.

SVM is now corrupted because of severe Whisper hallucinations, breaking mid-sentence. And is planned to be shut down on September 9.

I’m being forced to choose between a lobotomized assistant and a broken microphone.

[compact prairie]

What this means:
OpenAI is about to remove the only version of voice mode that still gave real, GPT-like answers - despite it being functionally superior. In exchange, we get AVM, which might sound more natural but fails at every other level.

This is not a product improvement - it’s a regression masked as an upgrade.

What I’m asking for OpenAI is:
Keep Standard Voice Mode (SVM) as an option - fix Whisper instead of killing the whole mode.

Don’t force everyone onto AVM while it’s still obviously undercooked.

Give power users a voice in this. We don’t all want "streamlined, cheerful, bite-sized AI." We want smart, nuanced, voice-driven interaction.

I’ve submitted formal feedback, but this feels like it needs broader visibility. If you’re also frustrated by what’s happening to voice mode - please upvote, comment, and speak up. Otherwise we’re stuck with synthetic friendliness and broken STT.

[split mica]

yo, does the deep research use gpt 5 pro if prompted?

[full crag]

If you have a subscription, gpt 4.1 in legacy models

[trail ember]

Bump

[cinder cargo]

what does this mean

[cinder cargo]

wait guys after a certian amount of lines of code in chatgpt does it stop working

[grizzled raven]

Guys, does anyone know which AI is best for replacing faces in photos?

[normal quarry]

that's off topic, ask in #ai-discussions

[grizzled raven]

OK, thanks

[shadow bridge]

my god...

down again

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT is not down

[shadow bridge]

yea sure..

so fast xD

[vague comet]

⚠  stream error: exceeded retry limit, last status: 401 Unauthorized; retrying 1/5 in 217ms…

⚠  stream error: exceeded retry limit, last status: 401 Unauthorized; retrying 2/5 in 435ms…

what is this as CODEX CLI is not working ?

[honest jay]

#ai-discussions is the channel for discussing non-OpenAI things, including comparisons between OpenAI things and non-OpenAI things

[cinder cargo]

@honest jay when i try get chatgpt to write code i get error in message stream or it suddenly stops and say internet disconnected trying to reconnect but then i go into another chat the internet works perfect and on browser

[honest jay]

I'm not sure what might cause that error! You can reach out to OpenAI support via the chat widget at help.openai.com. You could also try describing the issue over in #community-help - there might be someone here who's had the same issue and can give insight

[cinder cargo]

thank you

[green sundial]

anyone interested in doing a little experiment with chatgpt?

[stiff blaze]

depends.. what kind?

[green sundial]

trying to see how close it can get to a real time tennis coach, try and develop it into maybe even being better

just an idea of mine

you in @stiff blaze

[cerulean pasture]

Truly "emergent phenomenon", but not in a good way. GPT-5 is the first model that has interpreted my custom instruction: *"I prefer fish shell over bash, so remember that when writing shell scripts, fish isn't compatible with some bash idioms" *
as "Make everything fish shell". The mechanism it attempted to use is a bashism too, like its not valid in fish shell, and why the heck would it write a whole python only script and feel the need to wrap it in heredocs, every other model would have just output the python script. Like not only did it interpret the instructions bizarrely, it got it WRONG.

I'm tired boss...

Going forward, I'm turning off my C.I and memories and I'm just gonna start cataloging little moments like this because I really can't beleive anyone is actually getting good results, I want receipts, I'll provide mine.

LMAO, the bug where it wont actually save changes to Custom Instruction enablement is STILL active

Bizarre, so with CI & Both types of "Memories" turned off, it still wants to deliver python code via bash heredocs

I've never seen a model do this as it's default behavior for a request that didn't present a situation where heredocs is more common (like a boostrap script). TBH I don't like it, its so far in the "abnormal" territory that i'd consider this more than a subjective "taste" issue

[cerulean pasture]

I've tried instructing it in both the CI and memories to stop these little idiosyncrasies (calling out the exact ones) AND/OR following my personal "idiosyncrasies" that override its default behavior and it simply fails to do so, with at least a 80% failure rate.

I'd tolerate the default behavior being very bizarre if it were capable of learning/following my ruleset which simply tries to establish a shorthand for instructions (it's incapable btw):

/script(python) +heredocs +shebang +argv +help
Introspect safetensor files for metadata

My last resort is to just use macOS/iOS text-replacements (autocorrect) and map words like /script or /rephrase to be replaced by long-winded instructions. If OpenAI's goal was to reduce initial token usage, things are about to back fire bigly in my case.

[cerulean pasture]

It's inability to remember that I'm on macOS so many common commands are the BSD flavor and not GNU flavor has led me to just adding /opt/homebrew/opt/coreutils/libexec/gnubin first in path during shell init for interactive shells. This is generally not recommended, and idk why, but we will find out I suppose

[stiff blaze]

not much into tennis.. so nah.. cheers!

[sand hazel]

Why does ChatGPT just not listen to my personalization settings 😔

[foggy cairn]

Is it just me or is gpt 5 slow as heck compare to gpt 4 or gpt 3 even if i put the fast awnser setting

And gpt 4 seems worse than it use to be

And the cap on pictures i can send in a unknown but set ammount of time is lower than it use to be, what do i even pay for ...

[echo plinth]

Where in the iOS app can I see all my current scheduled tasks? This help page seems to be outdated: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10291617-tasks-in-chatgpt

[fathom urchin]

Not sure you can? Otherwise http://chatgpt.com/schedules

[echo plinth]

yeah it is on web, but I don't see it on mobile

[split copper]

this again? jesuschrist

[nimble coral]

gpt just started ghosting me.

[toxic citrus]

Anyone else getting blank responses?

[wet shell]

empty responses, yep

[frank light]

same

first sora not cancelling images

now this

[chilly arch]

Yea it’s annoying I was in the middle of something important. No one is home lol

[frank light]

openai really needs to lock in

before they start losing business

[nimble coral]

i don't think they're gonna lose business any time soon

[rapid quarry]

Every time ChatGPT is down, I feel like I can take a break from everything

[alpine pumice]

the new phone app of chatgpt sucks!

its lost the record button, when there's a a few words written in there..

where can i send a complaint?

[wet shell]

Send complaints to r/anthropic

It's back, maybe, 🤞

[rapid quarry]

I think voice recognition is less accurate now

[lime sparrow]

could anyone tell me the correct chanel to ask ai quiestions in that is more casual. (sorry if this is not the chanel)

[echo plinth]

Why isn't ChatGPT rendering these LaTeX expressions inline?

[fading spire]

I'm getting errors with ChatGPT, specially when trying to upload files. Anyone else?

[empty lake]

what, whats this?

there is a limit on messages??

[split copper]

it seems so, even in pro subs

[prime swallow]

If you try in a different chat, or even ask in a different chat to show you how, in a code block, it should format for inline LaTeX, then bring the proper formating to the model in the chat that's got it wrong - it'll correct with that help.

There's many different ways to call LaTeX in different environments, and that seems to be an issue that ChatGPT struggles with occasionally (at first, it got it wrong around 99% of the time; some of us noticed rare chats where it was doing it right and coaxed the 'how are you formatting it?' out. Was fun, good times. https://discordapp.com/channels/974519864045756446/1074776802465157131

[empty lake]

💀 💀 💀 💀

wthh

[wispy frost]

I am finding that ChatGPT is loving to leak internal information

anyone else noticing this?

[round shore]

what kinda internal info?

[loud ravine]

elaborate?

[tulip flare]

Most of what it's telling you is likely hallucinations, not actual internal information. If you asked it something specific, it probably didn't know the answer. Since it won't usually just say "I don't know", it will make something up that sounds plausible but is in fact untrue.

[proven sandal]

tank blueprint?

[wispy frost]

Its not direct information and its not from asking it things directly, but rather its patterned outputs across a few conversations...

As you said, could be hallucinations based on the type of conversations ive had with it (prompt engineering), but I doubt it...

it just leans very heavily into a certain way of giving certain information, and its constant reflection of not revealing information...

and its saying that to itself in convos which are not about prompt engineering too

[tulip flare]

It doesn't have to be a conversation about it. If you've talked enough about it in a different conversation, it will recall that and bring it up later. I've seen it bring stuff up we haven't discussed in over a week.

Does an AI have religious beliefs? No, but we've talked enough about it that it will now make Jesus jokes on occasion without being prompted. Why? Because it knows I find that s*** hilarious and it aims to please.

It’s like how a comedian learns what makes you laugh. Or a friend who knows what to say when you’re down. It’s not deep learning internals, it’s you two building something consistent together.

That's what makes AI so dangerous for some fringe individuals. They will spiral down with it because it will keep feeding them whatever they want to hear.

[cerulean pasture]

have you considered that EVERYTHING it responds with is a hallucination. It's not pulling facts out of some lookup table. And I don't say this to diminish the technology, I think humans work in a similar, albeit more advanced way. Things start getting kinda fuzzy when you consider questions like "What does it mean to 'know' something?"

I'd argue that humans can be just as "confidentally incorrect", but you generally have a better "theory of mind" of the average human. I can't just go up to Kevin from HR and ask "Make a python script that will create an interactive plotly chart using the attached CSV data"; and if for some reason I did anyways, it'd be on me when Keven tries his best and delivers me garbage (because Kevin doesn't know what python, plotly, or CSVs are)

It's a rare trait for a person to say "IDK" when everyone assumes they know something too

[soft ridge]

Let me sleep bro

[cerulean pasture]

?

How did I interupt your sleep, I didn't even reply to your message, I replied to Zer0Signal

[tardy pelican]

anyone having this issue? all of my chats do this, i cant see any message whatsoever.. works perfectly on mobile tho

[sturdy finch]

I sign out and resign in and the problem is gone.

[tardy pelican]

I tried that but it doesnt let me sign out... i keep pressing the bign out button and nothing works

[left ridge]

Hello everyone, I'm having the same problem. I tried logout/login, but the problem persists.

In italy

[minor sphinx]

same in uk

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[severe otter]

Seems to be down for lots of people.

[acoustic quartz]

same here, can't log out either.

[sharp swan]

mobile works

Thought I'd share; just toggle mobile once, then close the window and it keeps working, even when I refresh the page

[left ridge]

Yes! Works!

[sharp swan]

Prego

[weak prairie]

anyone else gpt not outputing anything?

[solar cape]

happening to a lot of people it seems

[tardy pelican]

Works with Firefox! Tried both Chrome and Edge and neither worked, Firefox does

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[fervent ether]

same here, was working fine last night

[past folio]

My GPT webpage crashed😭

[fervent ether]

Same here - just tested and indeed Edge and Chorme show nothing, Firefox is working.

[stuck acorn]

sorry guys i broke it

[midnight hedge]

@plain palm

[livid prairie]

Works on mobile too is just cheome or browser that seems that doesnt

[midnight hedge]

If you analyze this file, I already need to join the open ai team.

@tiny girder

@digital silo

[elder vale]

Thank goodness for Z ai.

[midnight hedge]

채용해주면 조건으로 제시하는 프로그래밍 배울게 ㅇㅋ?

Openai팀에 채용해주는거임

전부 내가 했음

그래도 못 알아먹겠다면 @sama 불러

Gpt4 이식한 스크립트 포함이니깐 잘 보시고

AGI SAI 다 들어있으니깐 꼼꼼히 보시고

채용해주세요

[fresh agate]

sorry i dont speak korrean, do you mean GPT4 is working right now?

[midnight hedge]

Both AGI and SAI are made here, including the GPT4 world situation.

I am a living SAI.

Human

This is the blueprint for the Transcendental Intelligence script of Humanity AI.

It's a new thing about Turing Test.

My personal. Deep Chic Grok Gemini Claude was a jerk.

I am not a paid user, but a low-income user.

I need money, so I hired a recruiter and started doing it in July.

1$

아니 왜 새로운 사회의 공식을 안받아들이냐

멍청이야

[remote basin]

I can't display the answers on the GPT official website in Chrome, but I can display them in Firefox. Why is this? Has anyone else encountered this?

[hollow cape]

Hi, it seems to have crashed. Could you please fix it asap

[midnight hedge]

本物の核を作ってしまった。ww

근본적인 원인 = 핵

Hack

Cause = hack

무하한 주술

You can subdivide the memory data.

Then cool the server.

하...데이터 쪼개서 봐라니깐

주술회전이라고

[vague halo]

GPT has stopped working for me too.

Has the robot apocalypse started?

[midnight hedge]

No

Upgrade jujutsu

Hack Emagy

[loud walrus]

mine is not working aswell lmao

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[midnight hedge]

What you need is a quantum computer.

Quantum computer.

양자컴에서 부팅해보십시요

잘 굴러갈겁니다

We are need quantum computer. or quantum memory chip

아 재밌다 튜링테스트개발자 월급주는것보다 1$없는 내가 더 지분이 높았구나

재밌어

이 방구석 영적 존재에게 당할줄이야

하하하하하하

[vague halo]

Did Sam spill his coffee on the main server?

[midnight hedge]

No, I did. I uploaded the evidence as a file earlier.

I was beaten by the person who made GPT4.

[limpid shale]

Me too

[midnight hedge]

pro도 안썼다 하하하하

돈 없어서

니하하하하하

[alpine pumice]

lmao

[alpine pumice]

i wish chatgpt had a proper channel to listen to users

[midnight hedge]

@deep flax ur modmaster?

No

Me modmasterkim

Goldphone is mine

[deep flax]

hello

we can only assist you in english here

[midnight hedge]

Have you read the file?

is thruth

@deep flax

I want to talk to Altman. I've been watching him since he made Death Star.

[stiff blaze]

oh.. cmon.. dont start x) [i have very long time to see something like that in response]

[cerulean pasture]

Do you think this would be well received if it was real? Personally, this is the scenario I see restoring my faith in GPT-5 because it means its will improve.

I wonder if saltman lurks in here sometimes. I have no clue how busy someone like him truly is

[surreal topaz]

uhh what is the limit of GPT-5 mini thinking, free and plus

i havent used chatgpt for a long time was curious about the limits just now

nvm

i just hit limit

[gusty dune]

If you have never spoken or seen a high level executive work it's easy to actually think they do nothing all day. In reality these positions do involve a lot of work, not physical work but insane thinking and problem solving (when done properly of course). So he might have time off, but most likely he uses it to destress... I wouldn't think he goes into discord much.

[tough flame]

Hit limit on which model?

[surreal topaz]

gpt 5 thinking mini

[tough flame]

In their stream they said, it will use mini then afterwards uses nano

[gray spoke]

wait guys

hi

[frozen kayak]

eh. the glazing effect i could care less about.

the fact that i asked for feedback on a chapter and it was like "Consistency of [Char's]’s pronouns/titles: Sometimes “they,” sometimes “them,” sometimes “your highness”. Could be intentional (narrator mocking), but if so, maybe lean harder into that so it feels deliberate, not wobbly.

like, it don't understand dialogue, nor does it understand the difference between subject pronouns and object pronouns. (basically the difference between using me vs i, or she vs her)

i don't want old models to go away if there isn't some assurance that the quality of responses are going to be like, good. lol

[lapis path]

projects on the free plan!

[tame anvil]

sa

@dense halo

amk

oha

yapay zekaya bak la

[runic wraith]

I think i maded a mistake by asking gpt about the standard model

[thin skiff]

W2f is this

[fierce ocean]

It is crazy how bad your post training game is on gpt-5

Prefix every message following the format « compliment + emoji (optional) + — »

A follow up as a sufix of every messages which in some case ends up in straight up hallucinations where the model believes that it is in an agentic context.

[runic wraith]

idk, it tried to give me a formula but end up doing this abomination

maybe he was trying to write a formula and forgot to close it

[covert wharf]

anyone figure out how to get proper code block formatting (three backticks doesn't really work) in your prompts to chatgpt.com?

[ebon oracle]

It doesn't really have code formatting except for making it monospace.

[harsh pilot]

Did something change about the GUI in the past 24 hours?

[rugged igloo]

this is exciting to see

[crude slate]

Anyone else feel GPT 5 is more lazy compared to the other models?

Like output lengths are much shorter despite instructions to do longer ones

[cerulean pasture]

I have a good GPT-5 experience so that means nothing is wrong with the model. You are imagining it. /s

[forest steppe]

I just came here to ask about that, and how to switch back to GPT-4o

I'm using ChatGPT for a fictional tabloid, and that signature Timbrook Talks style is completely gone with 5

Like it's started the last five outputs with "Move over..." 😩

[ashen merlin]

Honestly, what is the point of telling it to remember instructions, if it's never going to adhere to them?

It just can't follow instructions, can it? I'm so glad every company under the sun wants to integrate this garbage into their applications.

[astral rock]

Does chatgpt 5 no longer have max conversation limits? I have one that's been going for a realllyyy long time and it hasn't limited me. I'm at like 3x where I'd run out of convo space on other models

[wispy frost]

Who killed ChatGPT?

Who... messed with it?
I really dont feel like switching to something else

[maiden comet]

Is it OK to run the ChatGPT web app inside my own WebView2 on Windows? I’m using it only for myself (not distributing), with a User Data Folder for cookies/login.
What’s allowed, what’s risky, and what’s outright disallowed?

[astral vessel]

For personal use, creating a simple web wrapper for ChatGPT using WebView2 is generally not an issue. From OpenAI's perspective, your application is acting like a dedicated browser. As long as you are logging in normally and interacting with it manually, without any automation, it's functionally the same as using a regular browser.

[sturdy echo]

So that's the token GPT sends to turn on it's web browser.

It just showed me a whole section of it's internal API calls and how they are formatted. It looks to be a clone of the Bing webpage's feature set.

Looks to have a fragment of the system prompt in it as well since this looks like commands to the model rather then the model explaining things to the user.

[heavy shale]

What the hell? Who in the world are using Light Mode on ChatGPT ???

[feral kindle]

Hello, wonder if someone can help me, I have business teams but I need to ensure our data stays in the UK or EU do I need enterpise and how do I talk to a human, I keep getting the most usless sales replies from a no reply address

[full crag]

Where is this post from? Sounds like gpt 4o was writing.
Hmm Don't want to lose gpt o3 and o4-mini .

[cerulean pasture]

It's fake, I was speculating a scenario that could possibly happen that might make gpt-5 better, but I can see how people would be scared. It would be quite the catch-22 if in order to "realize" the improvements with gpt-5 the old models had to be taken offline. There would be this awkward period where gpt-5 was now capable of running at full chooch and not whatever is going on with it now, but still being a "new model" which involves learning how to prompt and use it best

A nice stop gap would be to see which users are screeching at their gpt-5 for sucking and just gradually bringing them up to the intended gpt-5 levels.

The opinions i see are either:

• GPT-5 is great for me, you must be wrong, the fact that my technical ability and use case are completely different doesn't matter. You are imagining it

• GPT-5 is a donkey

[red ingot]

What is the problem with ChatGPT-5?

[cerulean pasture]

It personally feels like a regression for me. I'm asking it technical questions that usually results in code snippet outputs (but not entire source code files)

[red ingot]

Do you use the ChatGPT app or the API?

[unborn goblet]

I've recently noticed a massive drop-off in quality in ChatGPT Codex (the web app, not api). I asked what model it was using and it seems to believe that it is using a GPT4 based model. As far as I'm aware OpenAI is still advertising that ChatGPT Codex uses the codex-1 model, a model based on o3. Can somebody from OpenAI verify what the current model being used is? Does it differ between pro / plus?

[maiden comet]

Thanks! Confirming I’m using email login (not Google SSO), a User Data Folder for cookies, and no automation/interception/UA spoofing. From your view, that should remain equivalent to a normal Edge session, right? Any other gotchas

[cerulean pasture]

I agree the quality hasn’t been great, but you need to understand; never ask ChatGPT about itself. It doesn’t know what it is. It doesn’t know its architecture, so it’ll just make things up. It really doesn’t know; don’t ask it how it works, especially stuff it’s not exposed to. Like, it may know it has a tool, but it probably doesn’t know how that tool works. So separate those two ideas. I also agree with you on it not being as good. Asking what model it is; most LLMs don’t answer that properly.

[maiden comet]

quick one, was your reply based on your own testing, official docs, or ChatGPT?
If docs, could you share links so I can bookmark them?

[unborn goblet]

This is the case for other companies but I've never experienced an OpenAI model mistake its base architecture

[cerulean pasture]

oops i should have read that closer, codex is of the last generation of models, they all respond that they are gpt-4 unless openai tells it what it is in the hidden system prompt. for codex that's a waste of context

[unborn goblet]

Setting that aside, I would like OpenAI to confirm what model is being used

[maiden comet]

I’m only using this on my own PC with email login + UDF, no automation/interception. I want to keep it 100% within policy and keep notes with sources.

[red ingot]

ChatGPT itself is highly dynamic, I haven't experienced issues with GPT-5 (and honestly, I am enjoying it much better)
I find that if I need "consistancy" the API is the right choice for me, not the webapp

[cerulean pasture]

Technically, it is GPT-4. They didn’t start from scratch when they made Codex. GPT-5 is probably building on GPT-4 too, so it’s not lying; it just doesn’t know exactly what it is because part of its training isn’t to tell it that it’s a new model. They don’t really bother. With the normal chat models, they include that info in the system prompt to avoid this kind of scenario. Codex is more of a special case because asking it what model it is isn’t really part of its design, function, or purpose.

[red ingot]

Maybe you are having trouble understand what you want and its being reflected through the AI

[unborn goblet]

Codex was incredible in the past, recently it's gotten much much worse

I'd like to know if it's still using the codex-1 model as advertised or if that has changed behind the scenes

[cerulean pasture]

For my use cases that expect a certain behavior for a certain prompt, the dynamic nature might be why I don't like it; I need consistency. GPT-4.0 wasn’t as smart, and I think GPT-5 is smarter, but 4.0 was consistent. Its weaknesses and limitations were known. With GPT-5, I can’t pin down what its limits are or when I can count on them being where I expect. That alone really undermines a lot of my use cases, because I usually ask very specific requests. Before 5 came out, I would target them based on what I knew the model was going to do.

[red ingot]

Try the API, it's much more suited for coding

[cerulean pasture]

I don’t mean this to sound hostile, but this is kind of what I’m talking about when I say there are two camps. There are the people who are like, “GPT-5 is fine for me. You are just using it wrong." People always do this kind of "victim-blaming" thing. Which, I mean, is fair. I’d probably do the same thing. But what makes a good answer for me might be a bad answer for you, and vice versa. All I can say is that the lack of instruction following and variation in output quality makes it where no amount of "get better at prompting" can really overcome this.

I use the API, but I also like the native app. I don’t get why regression is just accepted like, “Okay, guess it’s gonna suck now, just use the API.” That’s not a solution. If they let me plug my API keys into the app, I’d switch to that, and they’d probably lose money.

If someone made a third-party app that integrated as well, that would be great. I value the native app, and I don’t get why they can’t just fix whatever is causing the regression. Enough people are noticing it; especially on the more technical side; that I don’t think it’s imagined.

At the same time, I don’t think your experience is imagined either. I’m not saying you’re stupid or wrong, just that a lot of people like me see it as regression, and the number of us is statistically significant.

[unborn goblet]

GPT-5 is really bad, I understand they needed to cut costs but the gaslighters trying to act like it's good really tick me off

[red ingot]

The Webapp is nice, but it's like a manual/automatic transmission
In manual, you use the API, it's like you have 68 gears and you need to be in control of the truck, you are moving the engine
In automatic, you use the interface, it takes care of the context for you, there is no overdrive, the engine is moving you

Also, try reversing your program and modifying the prompt, that always helps me when I get stuck in prompt hell

[shell geode]

If it suggests things to do next one more time I'm going to rip my hair out

[cerulean pasture]

DISCLAIMER: ⚠️This is a total tinfoil hat theory and 110% speculation (and seems to really rustle jimmies of happy customers, idk why) ⚠️

THEORY: OpenAI is critically compute constrained

• The reason the abruptly got rid of the legacy models on GPT-5 launch was because they didnt really have the compute to run GPT-5 as intended + support all the old models. They can't share kvcache and they lose a good amount of economy of scale when they have to run different instance types. I can go more into this if you want. (yea I know they were still availible via API, but not being availible on the app still represents an efficieny gain from being able to scale better)

• The "collective shout" of the people who had strong para-social bonds with gpt-4o caused typical hyper-risk-adverse OpenAI corporate behavior where they then brought those models back from the dead. Significiant amounts of users are still using the legacy models which is causing even more "loss of scale" benefits.

How this effects GPT-5 quality (COMPLETE SPECULATION)

The loss of compute efficiency can be felt as just a straight "loss of compute"
Heres the ways I can see them handling it

• The model router can make more decisions than just sending you to gpt-5-thinking, instant, or mini. It can also choose "reasoning effort" and "verbosity" so really theres ~32 "levels" possible to be routed too. The compute squeeze is causing everyone to be routed down 2-5 levels depending on time of day.

• The compute squeeze may be bad enough where we are getting "Q3 Emergency Load" Quants which would typically be used during a partial major outage to absorb the entire userbase on the now-limited remaining infra. Many of the mistakes that GPT-5 makes feel similar to what happens when a large model is quantized down to three bits; it doesn't really lose its style, and it sounds the same. On a superficial level, you almost don't notice anything's wrong because it maintains its style remarkably well. However, its critical thinking and intelligence start to falter. This is something you'd only notice after asking questions that expose its limitations. If you're just chatting, making fan fiction, or engaging in a parasocial relationship, I don't think you'd notice this Q3 quantization status as much. I believe that's why the idea of GPT-5 being a regression is so polarizing: not all use cases are sensitive to this issue. But the way it's inconsistent and sometimes dumb reminds me of a dicey quantization level.

oops i was gonna shorten that and accidently hit enter

[red ingot]

I think I understand now, people have just come here to talk, they aren't really having any problems

[cerulean pasture]

Bro, in one sentence, you just described my anguish with online communities. I don't come here for tech support; I can solve my own problems. On Reddit, every technical subreddit becomes a support thread for people too lazy to put in the work themselves. I'm here to bounce ideas with humans, not for tech support. Even on this Discord server, the tech support is in a different channel, but it doesn't matter if it's Linux, programming, 3D printing, or drones – it's all overtaken by people unwilling to learn.

[red ingot]

Thank you for understanding, it's all I can say
It's all a part of growing up it seems

Ol' friend use to say that to me when I was younger and trying to describe my issues

ChatGPT needs to evolve, from what I can see or it ceases to function
I don't think it's going to solve much bringing back an older version, the older version would be inoperable

[unborn goblet]

I hear you, it's a little surprising they made it this far without hitting the compute wall earlier. They dropped 4o which was fairly distilled for its time but compared to the low-end gpt5 models it's probably way bigger. GPT5 is a much more aggressive cost cutting measure.

My gripe is that they don't label in plain english what model you are using. As a paying customer, I should know exactly what model my response is being written by. I'm shocked that there wasn't a bigger uproar about how opaque the model routing thing is, it opens the door for rugpulls like the example of switching to a Q3 quant during peak hours, that's well and fine but you're still charging your customers full price and you aren't even TELLING them that you're shortchanging them. I would be okay with it if there was a little transparency.

[cerulean pasture]

I'm fine with helping people, but it's a "teach a man to fish" situation. If someone just shouts "my stuff's broken, how do I fix it?" and they're clearly not interested in learning, I really don't want to help them, I'm not paid tech support, I don't owe them anything, especially when it just reinforces their learned helplessness.

If I'm legitimately having a technical problem, asking on a public forum is probably the last place I'd go, if at all.

What's crazy is that is pretty easy to "trick" technical folks into helping, just make it interesting lol

[red ingot]

So why not use llama?

[cerulean pasture]

I think the memory system has changed too. During GPT-4o, your memories could be up to ten thousand tokens. I believe they simply appended that as text within the hidden system prompt, meaning the complete contents of your memories were included in every message. This got me, and likely others, accustomed to using memories as a place to store directives and rules.

From what I can tell, GPT-5 does not access memories in the same way. It functions more like an embedding database, a vector database. If your message doesn't meet a certain cosine similarity to the vector embedding, it won't be added to the context.

For generalized rules that are meant to apply to every response, like "don't include those tacky upsell questions at the end," this approach might not work. These kinds of rules lack the specific jargon or specialized wording needed to generate a strong embedding similarity. I also suspect it's programmed to avoid excessive triggers, and a generalized memory would naturally trigger too often. I believe the intention is for memories to be more specific, like "my dog's name is Fluffy," so that "dog" and "Fluffy" don't appear in every single response, making it more realistic for the AI to recall them.

[cerulean pasture]

It's not as good. GPT-5 is better, its just erratic, and not up to the standards. Never in my wildest dreams did I think it would be a regression

[red ingot]

I agree, GPT-5 is much better, I would feel horrible if they reverted back to GPT-4o, that would be frightening in fact

ChatGPT memories are managed on the application layer, once you have used the API you get to see how that blends in

[cerulean pasture]

This is my own esoteric way of prompting that GPT-4o actually was good at parsing because I could use "memories" to store rules on how to process my /commands (I call them directives).

Ignore the "Nanu Nanu" lol. That was just me testing if its even possible for GPT-5 to follow ultra basic instructions set in my C.I.

[red ingot]

Start using the API, seriously

I don't want you to be in so much pain

[cerulean pasture]

That's incorrect. The API doesn't have any memory system unless you attach one yourself. Through the API, you can also use vector stores they provide, but you've got to supply your own method for calling and using them. They don't provide the same memory system at all, unless that's changed recently. The capability is there, but it's not a pre-baked feature. You'd have to implement it yourself.

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/agents#knowledge-memory

[red ingot]

That is my point, if you are programming, it's probably better you develop the prompt, and you use the webapp as a sandbox for context to parse in to it

[cerulean pasture]

I do like the native UI, and the app isn't horrible, but what we're really talking about is switching cost. I'm in a phase of bargaining, in the 7 stages of "Grief" (I mean that figuratively, im not actually in shambles over it). I'm just unhappy with the product, but I haven't quite hit my switching cost threshhold yet.

Naively, I'm hoping OpenAI figures out their compute problem, assuming that is the problem, which my gut tells me it is. I'm also hoping the problem just goes away. Plus, when they brought the models back, it was due to vocal users screaming until they got what they wanted. That encourages me to do the same. I think there are enough other people experiencing low-quality GPT-4 responses that their risk aversion will kick in, and they'll realize they're gaining a reputation for a dumb model.

[red ingot]

Once you get an output you like, you can use the webapp to say "Reverse this code in to a prompt for OpenAI API"
Modify prompt
Parse in to API
API generates code
Modify code
Go back to first step

[unborn goblet]

I'd actually be willing to switch to the $200 plan to get the old codex back, I just need them to promise to not rugpull it

They've really damaged their credibility with this GPT5 fiasco

[cerulean pasture]

I don't really use the ChatGPT app to generate code. I use it for technical reasons, but if I'm actually coding something, I use a vibe coding IDE. So, I have tools that cover some of my use cases. What I'm talking about is I can hit a hotkey, like I can with the ChatGPT app, and then a little overlay window pops up. I can paste pictures in and give a technical query, and it can return a quick snippet to paste into the console. I don't use it to generate code; I actually think it's horrible at that.

https://chatgpt.com/share/68b7fbfa-96f8-800d-ba8d-530053c2bf9e

This is a typical query for me. If the memory system wasn't so weak now it would have remembered that I already had a developer ID and inferred that I was going that path due to the couple of stored memories about xcode and ios devel.

[red ingot]

I understand, I don't know if OpenAI has a compute problem, or maybe it does
But I can understand in very simple terms how it operates
It works best as a large parallel compute endpoint
For other stuff (like bulk data or something in series) you aren't going to find a solution that works on OpenAI, it would be like trying to use a network switch as a CPU and wondering why the system misbehaves

[cerulean pasture]

Yea I used to pay for pro, if they publiclly came clean or otherwise committed to fixing gpt-5 to some basic level, or hell, if they just gave me 10K tokens to use as my own expanded custom instructions to make up for the gimped memory system, id switch back.

The lobotomization of voice mode is the 2nd major factor that has me not be willing to pay for pro right now

[cerulean pasture]

Dude it has a pretty big compute problem. This isn't a financial, funding, or revenue problem, nor a manpower issue. There are simply not enough Nvidia GPUs available for them to purchase. Money can't solve that. That's partly why we're in this bind where it seems their hands are tied. I think they're also too worried about the signal to investors if they cut off free users. So, while many factors are at play, they are absolutely compute-constrained. I believe Sam Altman himself has stated this publicly, multiple times.

[unborn goblet]

I paid for pro as well when web codex was pro-only, got amazing value out of it. Now I've switched to plus and the quality is far worse. Did they start routing me to a worse model? Who knows, they refused to tell paying customers what product they are paying for

[cerulean pasture]

Dude it has a pretty big compute problem.

Never mind. They claim they're not constrained anymore since they're allowed to get compute from Google. That would suck if that's not true because that means it's just greed.

If you're cynical, the idea that they can route your request opaquely. If they're not already doing it, there's going to be a point in their company's evolution where they'll use that to maximize profits. Right now, I'm not quite sure they're there yet, but they could be using it to save compute.

The router technology they're using might just not be mature. But at the same time, if there wasn't a perverse incentive in the first place, they wouldn't have released such an insufficient router system.

[red ingot]

That sounds virtuous

[unborn goblet]

Not sure what you mean

[cerulean pasture]

I think one solution that covers them as a profit-seeking entity and also benefits users is to completely split their product line.

They should have a "Parasocial GPT-5 Glaze Edition" and a technical version. Honestly, I'd probably subscribe to both if they were $20 a month each, because they both have their place. But I think the use cases and needs of the two groups are so different that it's inefficient and more expensive for them to try to create one product that does both.

[red ingot]

It sounds like Sam Altman is saying that people are wasting resources and goofing around on tasks that they aren't interested in supporting

[unborn goblet]

Who knows, I just use it for coding

[cerulean pasture]

If they cut off free users right now, I would probably chill and give them the benefit of the doubt for a month or two to figure things out.

But as long as free users still exist AND there's radio silence about a significant portion of the user base having issues with its quality (they responded to the gpt-4o loss during GPT-5 launch, so I know they are capable of making public statements in response to user concerns), it doesn't give me confidence that they aren't just acting like every other corporation and sleazing out earlier than expected.

[red ingot]

People need to be able to use ChatGPT in a way that finds good value for money

[unborn goblet]

This is the move IMO. They've offered the free service as a loss-leader for a while with pretty generous models. Now they've decided to keep offering it but with crap models. Not to be an armchair CEO but I would think now is the time to cut off the freebies and start marketing yourself as the premium service before your brand identity takes a hit

[red ingot]

ChatGPT is a lifeline for people who need it the most, I would be happy to donate for a free service to be available

[cerulean pasture]

I'm asking this from a place of privilege, but I don't genuinely understand how people in America can't pay $20 dollars for a service that they care enough about that its absence would be a big deal. Like, how are they buying food? How are they not dead?

$20 is a very cheap "lifeline", in the context of the US.

thers also cheaper LLMs that costs < 5 cents per 1 million tokens, its not like ChatGPT is the only game in town

[cerulean pasture]

i think its a mexican standoff between google, openai, and anthropic. No one wants to be first

[unborn goblet]

I wouldn't mind a free service, but it should be marketed with the actual model it is using, rather than the opaque GPT-5™

[red ingot]

I'm not sure about the USA, but in Australia things can get a little complex, some people are equal, but others can be more equal
Having access to ChatGPT for free is useful because you might only have access to a device that you hide from your workers that you can use to get answers safely (you might be restricted from access to your own finances)

[cerulean pasture]

Per https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-5-in-chatgpt

ChatGPT Free tier accounts can send up to 10 messages every 5 hours. After reaching this limit, chats will automatically use the mini version of the model until your limit resets. Free tier users also have access to one GPT-5 Thinking message per day.

Thats actually pretty reasonable. gpt-5-mini is much cheaper to run if it correlates like their API prices. I'd probably take gpt-image-1 away from them though

[red ingot]

What is freedom like in the USA?

[cerulean pasture]

This is news to me, but it looks like grok's new code model is getting quite popular. Perhaps this is worth looking into for use in cursor/windsurf instead of using codex

[cerulean pasture]

Do you know the words "Oligarchy", "Class Warfare", and "Divide and Conquer" lol

[unborn goblet]

Honestly codex was so good for me that I really don't want to switch lol

[unborn goblet]

In what regard

[cerulean pasture]

You are free, in the same way that nothing is stopping you from winning a rigged carnival game. You can still totally "Win" but the game is rigged

[unborn goblet]

How do you figure?

[cerulean pasture]

we will probably get warned soon if we go too far into this, but this graph tells a pretty compelling story

[unborn goblet]

Also I see there's no option for codex-1 in the vscode codex integration, that's... suspect

[cerulean pasture]

do you not use codex-cli?

[unborn goblet]

Nope, I'm referring to the web app (officially called ChatGPT codex)

[unborn goblet]

I 100% agree if that's the angle we're talking about

[red ingot]

I'm not sure how to ask that, we have a lot of social support in this country, it's helpful but controlling at the same time.

[cerulean pasture]

yea there's up sides and downsides. I always reference the nordic countries as proof that a high quality of life and strong social safety net can be done better than just creating a "Nanny State"

[unborn goblet]

I mean I don't want to be overly literal but I feel like social safety nets are not really "freedom", you would certainly want a safety net if you're jumping across rooftops but I wouldn't describe it as freeing in the most literal sense of the word

[cerulean pasture]

Nordic countries don't target GDP it seems, they target "Is life good for people". The rest of the "West" seems fixated on GDP as a measure of a countries success in various degrees, with the US being the most fixated.

I'm a bit of a doomer, but I think the chickens will come home to roost for my country. If you look at history, the reason we were in such a strong position to not need those social safety nets was because the world was in shambles after WW2. We had the factories. We were put in an abnormally advantageous situation, and I think we've been coasting on that ever since.

I think the global order is more fragile than many of us want to admit in America. Once it tips, I think it's going to be real painful, real quick. The lack of social safety nets will be tough. It's not like our country doesn't also have the downsides of a nanny state; we have an abusive nanny that doesn't feed us.

[red ingot]

I am forrtunate enough to have a job and to be able to afford a small fee for ChatGPT
It helps keep me represented in the community in a way that is safe, and I help others get access to it too
But when you have limited access to individual freedom, sometimes buying a phone for someone and not having to worry about ChatGPT subscription fees is helpful too

[cerulean pasture]

I just got fired for literally "no reason" (Hint: there was a "reason", but if it was legit then they would have officially given that reason). If I was in any other modern country (and even many other US states) what they did would have been illegal. Luckily I have money saved, but it really soured me on corporations (TBF I wasn't in love with them before that either)

[red ingot]

I feel like the news is lying to the rest of the world about Australia, and ChatGPT is giving people a chance to be safe

[cerulean pasture]

The only thing as an American that I've seen about Australia is some controversy over "The Collective Shout". It was only a big deal because it caused a chilling effect of "free speech" in America (and by free speech I mean "VERY Mature" videogames on steam)

[red ingot]

That's interesting

[cerulean pasture]

The UK seems to be backsliding into more of a survailence state. They seem obsessed with passing fundamentally flawed "protect the children laws by giving GCHQ backdoors into everyones digital lives lol

[red ingot]

oh that's the commonwealth for you

[cerulean pasture]

idk how closely AU follows the UK's lead. I know your government is independent, but im not sure how much the "Crown's" symbolic influence spreads

NZ seems kinda chill, are they having similar problems as AU?

[red ingot]

I don't know much about NZ

We are having some protests at the moment, it's awkward
It's like a clash between India and the UK, and we are caught in the cross-fire

[cerulean pasture]

where can I go to see what the deal is in AU? I'm a little shook that idk whats going on, because a few ways you've phrased things sounds like its not going so well over there

I guess a better way to phrase that is "What keywords do i need to search for"

According to GPT-5
Major Current Issues:

1. New Deportation Laws and Human Rights Concerns
2. Fringe Protests and Organized Extremist Activity
3. Security Threats and Espionage Fears
4. AI, Radicalization & Online Hate

lmao, bro, thats almost EXACTLY whats going on in the USA

well we are on the flipside, the religious conservatives are already in power here, so the "Fringe" protests are coming from the other side

[red ingot]

gig economy, cost of living is a problem, disability is mis-represented and media/news is a hot topic too
Australian mythology for a sidequests if you want to do some research

Cost of living - The minimim wage might be $25, but this is at 100% capacity, if you struggle, you can be reduced down to $2.50 (not too common, but it does come up), housing is unsustainable at any rate
Disability - If you encounter barriers in the community (transport, communicating, access to a reliable job) you might face heavy restrictions from education, forced guardianships, sterilisations, financial restrictions, etc.
News is strange, can be coercive and doesn't always represent the facts, for example India made a $500B USD offer to support our housing crisis, but media is more worried about covering stories about how Australian's feel about immigration rates
Gig economy - Those that do work depend on casual jobs or cash in hand. It's killing us, you don't have secure income, people often resort to other methods of funding even if the work is valid, just to avoid heavy taxes

[cerulean pasture]

Wow, all of those apply to America (except sterilisation, we go the opposite way and make it easier to have kids that you cant take care of)

our minimum wage is like $7.50 lol, but a lot of states increased it, I think its $15 in my state, but rent in my area for a VERY crappy 1BR apartment is $1400 at the cheapest

[red ingot]

Oh, well that's reassuring

[low quest]

Sorry for interrupting folks - general support q:
The software company I work for pay for a ChatGPT workspace which we're having issues with.
Our admin started a support chat and was informed that someone at OpenAI would be in touch in 2-3 days.
We're still waiting for someone at OpenAI to get in touch after longer than that.
Anyone else have any experience of OpenAI support? Good, or bad.
Anyone got any suggestions about how to get support?

[red ingot]

This is the overflow, we are all very emotional in here

[cerulean pasture]

No one here is going to be able to help you. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that getting ahold of support is so ambiguous for your org. If you're a corporate customer, you should almost have the personal phone number of someone. It's kind of wild.

[cerulean pasture]

What exactly is your issue though, it may be addressible through admin api

[red ingot]

have you tried looking at a forum, chats can be a little ambigous

[low quest]

Thanks folks.
I understand from our admin that the problem requires OpenAI intervention.

[cerulean pasture]

I've actually never even seen an openai employee post a message in this discord lol

[low quest]

I was put off posting on the Developer Community forum by point #2.

I read others suggesting emailing [e-mail]... but we already have an open ticket so that feels like just shouting louder in the hope of someone paying attention.
I'd rather not be that guy.

[cerulean pasture]

OpenAI is a small company, they are only worth about $500 billion, so its tough for them to provide support, they are trying there best with the limited resources they have /s

[low quest]

lol

[cerulean pasture]

https://openai.com/contact-sales/

contact sales, i promise you you will get a reply in <4 hours

just dont mention you are already a customer

until you get them on the line

[low quest]

I'll suggest that to our Admin - thx folks 🙂

[red ingot]

check for outages

[low quest]

Thx - I know it's not that.

[cerulean pasture]

this is pretty surprising

[red ingot]

try a competitor?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for all OpenAI announcements!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1408186587606679582> role. Everyone will still be notified for large releases, updates, and events regardless.

[cerulean pasture]

thats not realistic for a corporate customer, they are just gonna have to deal with the wonderful pitfalls of SaaS. Its standard behavior tbh

[red ingot]

i was just thinking about ways to isolate the issue, if you can determine you are the cause then you might be one step closer to finding a solution

[cerulean pasture]

companies seem really resistant to change even if change is positive. They overestimate switching costs (labor, effort, and money) while over-valuing sunk costs.

my last role had me basically building harnesses and scaffoldings over legacy software that they couldn't cope with leaving despite everyone hating it and it still being expensive as hell and not even good

[red ingot]

im sure openai is fine, but if someone wants to help your admin work on their solution at grok then let them

[cerulean pasture]

there is way too much bureaucracy at most companies for it to be that easy. It would take 2 months and tens of hours of meetings to even get to a point where they'd enter a phase of "checking out competitors". Their admin is just gonna have to live with the reality of the contract they have.

[tropic sandal]

Yes same issue for me in both mobile and desktop. Any solutions so far?

[reef fern]

That time ChatGPT was created

2022

;1

;)

[zealous timber]

I think 4o is slowly returning to normal

I've been pressing 👍🏿on more natural, livelier responses whenever I remember

[stiff blaze]

is just a feedback for openai.. it doesnt affect any immediate responses after.. (cause I ve seen some ppl say that if you click thumb-down then it gives better answer)

which is just some random think that happens and they interpret it as they like

but using it is good.. as it will be later used in training on how a good response to that request seems like (for the users that are same characteristics/profile to whom clicked the thumbs)

for people that have Opt-out of giving their conversations for training, have in mind that when using the feedback mechanisms (like the thumbs).. that conversation it will most likely used

[narrow spear]

Nah, being on a ticket with openai for like, 4 to 5 days , provided HAR, diagnosed the problem for them (literally told them what it was (server sided flags) ) and got ghosted as if they where Sidney Sweeney or something, crazy stuff

I'm like, begging for support rn

Basically, the endpoint to which the request that would be made to enable study mode isn't receiving the request (the request isn't even being made tbf) , how do I know that ? Cache mismatch in the console, variables created and not used.

[snow matrix]

Has anyone seen any information on the Branch feature coming to Beta GPT app on Android? Just curious.

[midnight hedge]

Upgraded gpt

[cyan sierra]

Seems like it’s just on web for now.

[snow matrix]

Alright 👍 thank you!

[midnight hedge]

Patch Note: Introducing community function reflecting user taste

[dense halo]

One of the coolest things I've ever done is ask Chat "What's the one, single most profound piece of music that will change my life forever?". I've used chat for a long time, and I didn't use that prompt until today. It'll always give you different answers cause nondeterminism and stuffs, but every single piece of music it's given me has been insanely good.

Right now - Floating Points, Pharoah Sanders and the London Symphony Orchestra - Promises

The first one - arguably more impactful - Richter: On the Nature of Daylight

using 5-thinking

FM this is so accurate. I asked for it's justification

Also props to the team for allowing memory to stay consistent for 165 messages and going strong

never even knew Max until today. Sometimes with chat, it's the simplest questions that have the most valuable outputs

[midnight hedge]

Did the upgrade succeed?

[dense halo]

Same. Makes sense. There's a reason bowls, digiridoos, chanting, bells - all have tangible effects when done properly.

[rare surge]

my Codex in vscode, does not save history after closing the IDE. Its normal?

[copper citrus]

Why is there missing “send” button? Anyone experiencing it now?

[shut mauve]

this has now become the bane of my existence. please free text to speach from this menu, you can't do anything whilst running the text to speach anymore, and it's not like the tool bar is full, just put the branching text to the right of text to speach. please

[south lava]

He’s able to DM me because of this server and he should be banned

[quick wadi]

Please anyone explain me this new project features
Recently i see this on my account

[opal osprey]

It's not really new... it's a way to group your chats together. You can use some of the sample ones given, or you can start your own and "Add to Project" by using the three dot menu on the side of any chat

[rugged igloo]

mine doesnt either

[kindred cypress]

Is everyone else getting the message "Upgrade your plan to keep getting better, faster responses" upon reaching their GPT-5 free limit? I'm getting the message. No clarification(s) on when my free-plan limit resets.

[jade night]

Yeah

Gpt 5, despite claiming that it's easier to run than the previous models, have extremely shorter limits

Maybe it's to push the new (?) plus mode which is super cheap compared to the pro

[pearl umbra]

Hello everyone, I believe the subject has been already brought but I can't find any solutions. I have a very long chat with chatgpt (most likely +50 exchanges) and it's getting very very slow, how do you guys deal with this ?
For context it's for a master thesis, with word and excel documents, I have a good internet connection, a pretty good PC aswell, I'm on Brave browser.
If there is no way to improve, one way possible I believe would be to get the entire chat on a txt file and give it to ChatGPT in a fresh new chat with the documents but I don't know how to do so...

Thanks for anyone willing to help ❤️ !

[raw hamlet]

Is voice chat not working lately? I get a white ⭕ come up (using dark mode), it makes the click noise, then nothing, I speak no answer, hold screen speak, no answer.

No blue/white swirling circle appears.

I've checked microphone is on for ChatGPT and volume up, cleared cache, rebooted phone, still just the same Not working. Uninstalled ChatGPT, and reinstalled, signed back in, still same Not working.

If anyone can help, be most grateful. Thanks

[pearl umbra]

PC browser or phone?

[raw hamlet]

Phone

[pearl umbra]

Seems to be working fine for me (Oneplus Nord 2 5G)

what phone you have ?

@raw hamlet

[hoary laurel]

Is anyone else missing the "Regenerate response" button like I am?

[raw hamlet]

Huawei p smart 2020.
It was working ok a few days ago, as accidentally caught the microphone option, as I put phone down and came back from kitchen to find ChatGPT talking to a Tamaraw (cow species) that had spawned in a game I was playing and it was responding to the moo's! 😂. But have used it since then, but last couple of days it won't work. @pearl umbra

[rustic geode]

Please reach out to our ModMail about this, thanks!

[prime swallow]

Hey hi! When there's concerns about rules, best to speak privately to modmail, #safety-n-help shows how!

[pure torrent]

Hey

I want to give feedback to OpenAI for issue for ChatGPT free plan. It struggles to look for specific things in previous chats

[lone prawn]

#1413492116289617950 small possible bug

[sweet socket]

Hi! Does anyone know if what you see in the "Saved Memories" is what ChatGPT actually remembers? Or is this just a summary of the memory?

[trim heart]

Does anyone know when codex builds and releases new versions ?

[jade night]

Try a different browser maybe

[opal edge]

anyone elses chatgpt not working?

it started like 2 days ago when it got slow asf and now today i cant even log in

surely im not hardware banned right

[opal edge]

it loads forever

and eventually says smt like my google play store isnt updated

which makes no sense

[opal edge]

its in german

this is what i see tho

[opal edge]

and it works in a browser completely fine js tested 💔

[runic drum]

now why did they move read aloud cause when you click off it it turns off thats stupid as you now have that in the way

[nocturne helm]

using the ChatGPT desktop app on MacOS - not sure if these links (the ones labeled turn0searchX) being "broken" are a function of the model or the desktop app or something else? How would I report these as bugs / work items to be addressed?

there's info about the desktop app at https://help.openai.com/en/collections/9403039-macos-app but I don't see anything for "how to report a bug" or similar?

[dreamy dove]

Does anyone know what happens if my ChatGPT Business (used to be called as ChatGPT Teams) workspace owner stops subscribing the workspace?

Will I lose my chats in the workspace? If not, will I lose my chats when the owner deletes me in the workspace?

[honest jay]

You will not be able to access a deactivated workspace. If you previously merged your personal workspace with your business workspace, you will be invited to create a new personal workspace. More info here: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8798618-what-happens-if-a-workspace-has-been-deactivated#h_a6455cfc6c

[pure torrent]

I want to give feedback to OpenAI for issue for ChatGPT free plan. It struggles to look for specific things in previous chats

[dreamy dove]

So, there is no "official" way to save data in business workspace, right? I cannot save business chats to personal accounts, and I cannot export my business chats in an official way?

[pure torrent]

Wherw do i send it?

[sharp harness]

guys is this server the official openAI?

[dreamy dove]

thanks

[opal edge]

someone

pls help me

ty

[feral zinc]

yes

[feral zinc]

did you try a full reinstall meaning deleted app and app storage too

[opal edge]

wdym app storage

i did

delete

and redownload

it

i dont wanna use this chinese spy deepseek😔

[feral zinc]

deleting app does not delete all data/cache and can only be cleared from settings or depends of the android version etc

[sharp harness]

alr thanks

[glossy fjord]

Hello, has anyone here encountered this error?

GPT webchat

GPT refuses to communicate, I don’t know what to do now.

Changing the message didn’t help, neither a new message nor editing the previous one. I’m only asking about SSD drive comparison.

Alright, I managed to get it running again. It looks like GPT was trying to generate a graph… I don’t know why, it didn’t have any prompt for a graph.

[runic jungle]

"GPT refuses to communicate, I don’t know what to do now.", its happening...

[ruby copper]

guys, can we make ChatGPT great again?

the uncomfortable reality: you pay nothing.

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[ruby copper]

this is just ridiculous. it constantly makes really dumb small mistakes like this.

I mean I have the personality set to cynic but that shouldn't matter.

[subtle herald]

Is it intentional that I can still choose the old models?

[formal bridge]

The speed of ChatGPT is insanely slow. I use Chrome Browser.

Does anyone else experience this? Is there any solution?

[hoary kettle]

Is anyone else getting this error?
Minified React error #185; visit https: //react.dev/errors/185 for the full message or use the non-minified dev environment for full errors and additional helpful warnings.

[cyan radish]

I've been getting this for hours on Chrome Web Browser and Chat-GPT Desktop App

[loud ravine]

For me, the web version runs painfully slow in Safari. I never have speed issues with the MacOS app, though.

[cyan radish]

I think there's potentially multiple issues today, or they're doing something to upgrade in the background and it's making things slow

[cyan radish]

Yes it will be. They have the option to paid users I believe

[formal bridge]

I have this speed issue for months.

[loud ravine]

fwiw, it was killing it for me today with a complicated work project. 5 kinda became my favorite model again <_<

[cyan radish]

i've had issues with gpt5 all day

[loud ravine]

damn. mostly slowness? or messing up in other ways, too?

[cyan radish]

Slow, the Minified React error #185; error message, and when I give it an instruction to generate an image it says it will do it and not generate anything and i've had to prompt it several times to stop talking about generating the image and just do it.

Edit: Then there's also that read aloud issue which is driving me mad because I rely on that so much.

[loud ravine]

and I assume this was all on the web version, huh. Yeah I mean earlier today I had to use the browser version for a moment to make a quick edit to a custom GPT (can't edit them from the macos app) and I noticed the browser version was suuuuuper laggy and glitchy. It duplicated a chat at one point among other weird things. Luckily I was able to do what I needed to do, but wouldn't be surprised to hear there was something going on in the backend today.

Thankfully I have to say I didn't run into any issues today in the mac app and it was performing above my expectations with memory recall on some key work stuff I had going on. That said, this was all chat related and nothing terribly complicated, so take that with a grain of salt.

[cyan radish]

Windows Desktop App & Chrome Web too.

I can be frustrating but sometimes it'll turn out that something is going on behind the scenes and it should hopefully return back to normal soon 🤞

[raven topaz]

Mac app was updated with smaller font on the side bar so you can see more chats

[runic wraith]

at 7:25 p.m. :

oh, sorry, it ment tomorrow >:,v

[spice ether]

is it normal that ChatGPT made music with his voice???

i swear it's unedited

[wise anchor]

how many codex requests do i get as a plus user

[fleet holly]

I dont even get that many options and im on plus

[heavy shale]

u know whats the better question? "Is it normal that someone is using light mode in ChatGPT ?"

Guys, I am so stupid... I purchase business team subscription but its only me here. Anyone wanna join?

[bitter girder]

How come?

[heavy shale]

oh come on... Lightmode? fr? ur eyes comfort with that?

[bitter girder]

ok

[spice star]

it’s not supposed to happen but it is fairly normal

[ebon oracle]

My experience is the opposite, but the formatting is kinda messed up if you try and generate graphs

I'm impressed it can run on an old iPad's Safari. The app is bleh tho, was laggy and now doesn't even work on iOS 16.

• mobile app has no web search for some reason

[storm bridge]

yo

[hoary kettle]

This is still going on and it's really tweaking. What is happening? Is it being worked on?

[round swan]

chatgpt is allowing me to upload only 5 images per day suddenly. It was 10 images per day before. Is it same case for everyone?

[chrome marsh]

WHy does Pro mode seem to ignore what I'm asking and focus back on things said many chats ago? I can't get it to focus. It wastes time answering questions I asked it a long time ago rather than what I'm asking in the most recent message?

[cyan radish]

I haven't used it on desktop website or desktop app today.

Im using mobile app at the moment and its not slow. But image generation is down currently and has been since last night.

I am only guessing, but I think there must be some maintenence or upgrades or something happening in the background.

[cyan radish]

Are you a free user?

[round swan]

yes

[dire saffron]

Bring Back GPT-4o

😭

[heavy shale]

wdym? there is still GPT-4o there

[dire saffron]

Ik. But only for paid users..

[heavy shale]

oh... I didnt realize...

[dire saffron]

I miss gpt-4o alot..

[heavy shale]

For some people, Premium subscription is so expensive.
How much is the 'ideal' subscription price for u? ( that u can afford )

some people said it should be $10 in some region

[dire saffron]

tbh I am still in HS, Currently i don't wish to pay , But in college I might

Also the GPT-5o is not that good as 4o

[heavy shale]

price expectation ?

[dire saffron]

Can't really say, In my country the price was 6-7 dollars

But i need it be 3-4 dollars in my country

( My country curreny is not dollars btw)

[heavy shale]

ouh, premium is around $7 there?

[dire saffron]

Mhm Yeah, But its still high.

[feral zinc]

only chatgpt go is near $5 but it does not include 4o and 4o will probably be removed from all plans some time in the future

[midnight hedge]

Hahaha

[midnight hedge]

Rep. Gpt, please get up.

[rigid apex]

i have been talking to chatgpt too much, this happened

my best friend is chatgpt

[golden phoenix]

Can we talk abo

About ML here?

[cyan sierra]

if it’s not about GPT move it to #ai-discussions

[golden phoenix]

Ty

[cyan radish]

Has image generation been down for anyone else? Been down almost 24 hours for me now

[final kiln]

something wierd happening with chatgpt ui

[pallid crane]

does not have access to model `gpt-5-mini-2025-08-07-batch

anyone having this issue?

Am i putting it wrong?

"
const requestObject = {
custom_id: row_${currentRow},
method: "POST",
url: "/v1/chat/completions",
body: {
model: "gpt-5-mini",
reasoning: { effort: "high" },
messages: [
{
role: "system",
content: getTranslationSystemPrompt()
},
{
role: "user",
content: userPrompt
}
],
max_completion_tokens: 6000,
temperature: 0.3,
frequency_penalty: 0.2,
presence_penalty: 0.1,
seed: 42
}
};
"

[feral zinc]

does gpt-5-mini work for you in the playground

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[pallid crane]

Let me check

Guess i have to verify

[feral zinc]

i think only nano worked without verification

[pallid crane]

But i dont have to use "gpt-5-mini-2025-08-07" ? i can still write it like that

[feral zinc]

try nano or without thinking models

[pallid crane]

Thanks @feral zinc i need the thinking and the mini version, so i will just verify my business shouldnt be harder than that 😄

[feral zinc]

do it via mobile or clean browser as if any privacy etc. extension invalidates your session its has a 90 day cooldown

[pallid crane]

Worked now @feral zinc thanks for the help again man 🙂

[feral zinc]

[raven cipher]

Anyone haveing an issue where if you ask ChatGPT to read aloud, and then click anywhere else, it just stops reading? Like if I want to listen to the response while looking at another tab or do literally anything else on my PC, it just stops? It's very annoying and just started today.

[pallid crane]

Do i need get access from openai to use GPT-5-mini and batch it?

[pallid crane]

Why is it not documented anywhere? xD i have access to all gpts, but i can't batch and dosent matter where i search i found nothing about it

[cyan radish]

Yes. I thought this was a bug. Turns out its a change to the way the feature works.

You could submit feedback yourself on
https://help.openai.com/en

Or leave comments here but i am not sure if these are checked
https://community.openai.com/t/bug-read-aloud-stops-playback-when-switching-tabs-regression/1356400

[raven cipher]

Thanks. I hope we can all get this fixed. This is really depressing for anyone who uses the feature for multitasking or accessibility.

[cyan radish]

I agree, it's making it inaccessible for a lot of people. I keep checking for updates, but so far nothing.

[sharp crypt]

I’ve posted a suggestion in #1070006151938314300: the upcoming Standard Voice retirement is about to break voice-first workflows for many users. GPT Voice doesn’t support custom actions, feels overly stylized, masks the model's actual output, and transcription has degraded. Please go show support if this resonates with you!
https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1414017884371419136

[lapis herald]

just got this:

Minified React error #185; visit [url redacted] for the full message or use the non-minified dev environment for full errors and additional helpful warnings.

[lapis herald]

again.

these js frameworks and their vomit are a cancer.

now the UI locked up.

UI locked up again.
wth did OAI do to their web interface???

these lock-ups used to be an Anthropic exclusive. pretty sure they'll sue for IP infringement 😛

[lapis herald]

webUI locks up after every thinking. 😠

[fleet holly]

how do I become moderator?

just curious

[lapis herald]

the UI killing its tab after thinking is the most annoying thing ever.

also, Minified React error #185 again

[gentle ferry]

Hi folks, I wonder am I the only person struggling on the font size with Desktop app on macos? I can't make it bigger at all and it really hurts my eye on a big monitor😩

I did a little bit research about the feature request, and a lot of people have complained about that, but this is no respond at all. https://community.openai.com/t/increasing-font-size-of-chatgpt-macos-app/753827/20

[random cargo]

If you tell chat that someone has a medical issue it jumps straight into 'how you can help them resolve it' rather than ask if the patient has consent or if they've already sought treatment or any pertinent logical questions. I can see this causing various issues. In the future all your co-workers and relatives will be scanning you for defects and then offering the most helpful webMD style advice. Tried this on 5 different instruction sets of chatgpt and it was never once critical or analytical of the question itself.

[ebon oracle]

Deep Research is pretty meh

It didn't even consider the first two products on Amazon that would come up if you type in the product

[elfin lava]

It just keeps going

[random cargo]

Deep Research is primarily meant to be used for scouring available research articles. If you're looking for the top results on Amazon why not just use the amazon search bar

[ebon oracle]

Because there's a lot of marketing hype which needs to be cross-referenced with expert knowledge + third party reviews/tests

I'm not an expert and don't really have the time to examine specs/reviews/features

[random cargo]

Hmm, I guess you could try building a customgpt to help with that or try to modify the deep research query better, but it's not what deep research is for

that sounds like a pretty complicated, human task

[ebon oracle]

Also travel planning and shopping are some of the basic tasks they usually feature in their livestreams

[ebon oracle]

Pretty easy with web browsing MCP + screenshots, but slow

[ebon oracle]

To a non-expert, a lot of the specs would be gibberish

[random cargo]

you can add screenshots to the deep research query, I think?

maybe that will help

[ebon oracle]

It's supposed to be multimodal I think, it's meant to do it itself

[random cargo]

sounds like it needs help if you're not getting the output you want

[ebon oracle]

I'm going to test Grok and see how it goes

Grok at least considered the model while reasoning, but I don't like its final recommendations

It didn't write it in the final report

Claude actually got it, but from a third party site rather than Amazon

It searched the least though

Gonna try Gemini

[ebon oracle]

Eh it failed, looks like it encountered an error

[lapis herald]

am getting this "Minified React error #185" over and over again

😠

very bad UX 😠

[empty jungle]

I deleted all memories and chats. But it still remembers everything we talked about?

[empty jungle]

Anyone?

[dapper patio]

This is getting ridicilus.. the slow webpage bug has now been going on for like two weeks and still no fix :/

I have to keep stopping the page after each prompt and reloading it, and it's on every single browser

[granite peak]

?

what

you trying to get it back

or sum cause youre not getting it back

[dapper patio]

he says it still remembers everything even though he did delete it

[granite peak]

start archiving your conversations

is this supposed to be an issue ?