chatgpt-discussions

[quick meteor]

im asking it who is correct

[hollow torrent]

Yes. So why do you continue?

[quick meteor]

actually braindead what the hell

[hollow torrent]

Which is not prompting to provide an unbiased counter-argument against you.

[quick meteor]

WHY WOULD I ASK THAT????

THE MATTER OF THE DEBATE IS WHO IS CORRECT

[hollow torrent]

And I'm supposed to be the braindead one here.

[quick meteor]

gpt 5 said you were wrong twice.

go argue against him.

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[quick meteor]

https://chatgpt.com/share/68990bcd-f818-8006-9c4b-55a75b742cdc

[hollow torrent]

GPT-5 can also say the moon is made of cheese.

[quick meteor]

Well said:

Manual selection of “gpt5 thinking” → higher reasoning effort.

Auto-switch to reasoning model (which happens if you just say “think harder” in the prompt) → lower reasoning effort than the manual selection.

everyone else gets it at least

[hollow torrent]

Who is Tibor?

[hollow torrent]

Also, keep in mind, you're arguing that this statement is incorrect:

When you ask the model to "think deeper" or select "gpt5 thinking" in the model picker, this uses a higher reasoning effort than you are auto switched to reasoning model.

[hollow torrent]

GPT-5 + "Think longer" tool/system hint = medium effort

Yeah, so what Yann was saying was that using a tool/system hint, or manually selecting GPT-5 Thinking, will net you medium effort reasoning.

I have no idea why you keep arguing against the stuff you share.

[blazing lake]

In no way they brought back the real GPT-4o, in no way! It is GPT-4o mini or something else. The UI says "4o," but that is just a name, and no one knows what's behind it. Certainly not what OpenAI promised.

[clever trench]

Does anyone know what's going on with GPT 4.5? It keeps saying error with message stream. I even cleared my cookies and cache and it still doesn't work. It'll occasionally work with mobile data, but overall nada.

But with other models it's fine just 4.5 specifically.

[silent marten]

Why do you want an inferior model lol

[blazing lake]

Dumb or so? What do you wanna say?

[vapid kettle]

It's always something... Kinda amazing the conspiracy theories you people can come up with. 😂 😂

[real scaffold]

Oh? workspace already get access to pro?

Noice

[blazing lake]

It's amazing to see what theories and statements haters come up with.

[reef linden]

WOOOO RATE LIMITS INCREASED

TIME TO PARTAY

[vapid kettle]

Just wait for some rando to say "that's certainly not what OpenAI promised" and find ways to complain about this lol

[reef linden]

lmfao theres this one guy on twitter getting his panties all wet

[teal niche]

are you on linux by chance

[reef linden]

icl i was one of the guys that was complaining about the usage rate limits, im glad we’re getting a bump up. and it will tell us what model it used when thinking

thank goodness

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

• -# Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
• -# NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[hollow torrent]

What makes you say this? Are you experiencing something different than before?

[cerulean pasture]

Is there anywhere I can go to let OpenAI know that if they appease all of these mentally ill free users, then I, a paying user, will be inclined to move to another service? Do NOT let the squeaky wheel get the grease

[wise yacht]

5 created a great web app for me this weekend as a sort of digital hall pass for my classroom. Gemini and Claude had beautiful screens, but never functioned correctly. GPT did the job.

[simple gull]

https://x.com/sama/status/1954703747495649670?t=7c51FVv7oDLz-_oHlwjBVg&s=19

Sam Altman (@sama)

If you have been following the GPT-5 rollout, one thing you might be noticing is how much of an attachment some people have to specific AI models. It feels different and stronger than the kinds of attachment people have had to previous kinds of technology (and so suddenly

X · Aug 11, 2025, 12:37 AM

[whole umbra]

I think it's the one below o4 mini high..

But they're wrong? Gpt 5 is the best model out right now..?

Or by what metric

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[blazing lake]

Yeah, it seems worse, just not the same

[calm panther]

Beuh chatgpt 5 is absolutely stupid

Like, it's so braindead

[real scaffold]

Nope, win.

[simple bobcat]

On the ChatGPT Mac app, quite often I get Network Error messages, maybe on 25% of the messages. This is very annoying.
In the new version, released this week with GPT-5, it gets even worse. Now the message we type gets cleared, so we loose everything we typed.

The OS is fully updated.
No VPN.
This is a personal computer, no corporate restrictions.
It does not happen all the time, so it is very unlikely that the issue is on the client side networking.
It is very likely that this a server side issue.
It never happens at the first message.
Manual retry used to work all the time. I would never get 2 consecutive errors.
That looked almost like a throttling mechanism when the server got busy.

Now it is terrible: there is no retry and the message we typed disappears.

It could be very easily fixed, just handle the error on the client side and retry - at least once.
Quite simple!

[calm panther]

Can you use legacy models on phone? Or only pc?

[tulip flare]

You have to turn legacy on through settings on the web version. Then it will appear on mobile too.

As long as you're subscribed

[calm panther]

Oh kool

Took a sec to kick in

What yall think? Is 5 smarter or dumber than 4o?

Overall

[tulip flare]

Personally, I don't care for 5. Doesn't work well for the things I need. Might be good for some things, but not anything I need.

[calm panther]

For what is it actually good lol

[tulip flare]

Apparently coding from what I hear.

[calm panther]

Oh. Too bad for every single non programmer out there lmao

[granite peak]

Too bad for programmers

[ember grove]

Why is there a limit on queries for the thinking model for plus users? I feel we should have unlimited since we are paying (albeit not as much as pro or teams but still)

[zinc tinsel]

Hello open ai dev, that could be great to can pin message on chat gpt to can find it quickly (by example to find my meal list for the week)

[upbeat steppe]

do we know whether or not 4o shares the same pool of 160 messages per 3 hours that gpt5 has? or is it running off of its own separate pool (for example 80 messages per 3 hours for 4o and 160 messages per 3 hours for 5?)

[zinc tinsel]

same I guess

[dreamy condor]

What place can do you goto to give suggestions and input?

[gusty grotto]

little Trading Bot simulator (Connected to LIVE market) that train itself all made with Model 4.1 (while I was having it)

[ember grove]

how many queries per week do Plus users have for the thinking model?

[prime swallow]

Right now it's 200 per https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-5-in-chatgpt but I suspect that's doubled to help reduce the affect of a bug that made plus folks not be able to switch to the mini after using up their normal chats.

And if your normal chat chooses to think', that doesn't count as one of your uses.

[jade night]

'And if your normal chat chooses to think', that doesn't count as one of your uses.' 🤔

Cant I just add 'Think longer and search the internet before answering every question' to the customization box? I've been doing it and it has been taking its time for complex questions and other stuff like that

[wild star]

Limit for paid or free?

[little matrix]

Been saying this for almost an hour now

Anyone know why? I sent like 15 messages after I uploaded a PDF

I've never hit a rate limit with ChatGPT since I've been a subscriber

[prime swallow]

I'm not sure. I suspect that 'think longer' may count as a user-intended use, but I am not sure. I haven't been using it myself yet.

I do have chats where sometimes or nearly always, the normal 5 just decides 'time to think'.

[prime swallow]

Looks like for plus, and a limited time, to help adjust to a bug that prevented use of the model after using up the limit, instead of switching to the intended mini

[prime swallow]

So, this is either working as intended or a bug. You can report in #1070006915414900886 to ask them to check but here's the possible 'working as intended:

Chats with uploaded files, they require a model higher than '5-mini'. If you're out of messages with the normal GPT-5 then you just can't continue a chat that has uploaded files or a number of other advanced features, but once you have more normal GPT-5 then you can continue that chat. A way to check, if it's not a bug you can start new chats normally and continue normal other chats (without file uploads or other tool uses).

[calm aurora]

well all i see, is two things Openai did:

1. tried to remove more advanced, more energy consuming model for a less advanced less energy using model.
2. now they are locking the more advanced model which was previously available to everyone, behind paywall !

Currently free users of Chatgpt are getting a very short part of the stick and this is a very bad business model!

I was a free user and did switch to plus when i tried GPT4o for a while... if i had used GPT5 back then there would be no way i would invest on Chatgpt when there are many other AI platform with better prices and almost the same features as GPT5.

[covert wharf]

so am I going crazy or did they just remove the reasoning effort knob in platform.openai

[calm aurora]

well even if its not original GPT4o its very close i did ran more than 20 different tests on both GPT4o (the current one for plus users) and GPT5 and the difference is BRIGHT AS DAY!

i did ran test of:
Logic
Emotion
Social Judgment
Story telling
Creative ideas
Completing a half story
Health monitoring (during daily life through 12 hour)
Healthy life suggestion (during daily life through 12 hour)
Engineering Inspection Work aid
and many other tests
I can easily say GPT4o is 90% winner! GPT5 is even horrible in some of subjects! the only place i saw GPT5 stronger was some basic command writings where you are more direct and just need the AI to complete your job! but even if on that you go for requesting suggestion and ideas GPT5 will fall short again...
I just hope people do test GPT5 them selves and compare it before they just jump out and call it more advanced because the number is 5 >.>

to put it down more simple on paper:
The GPT4o is like that friend when you call and ask for help will help and then ask if you also need help with that or that.
GPT5 is the friend who when you call just wants to hang up because he is too busy 😄

[obtuse nymph]

woah.

[little matrix]

Yeah its doing it for new chats too, says this when tryingg to start a new chat. And wont let me type in any of my chats

But now this is showing up on all my chats, so probably a bug

Cause I definitely still can't use anything

[prime swallow]

I recommend #1070006915414900886 and explain there, and also https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support bottom right cornern widget to reach out to tech support, hope they can help you fast!

[little matrix]

ok thanks

[hollow torrent]

GPT-5 cannot parse files in Projects, so no. It's not the "best model" out there right now. It may be quick and fancy for easy "make a stick figure video" requests, but it can't do any actual workflows. Even after "teaching" and prompting it in a chat thread, GPT-5 will still hitch up and default to "Hi, how can I help? :)" after about two queries.

[hasty sedge]

You’re right. 4o is better.

[dense halo]

I am facing an issue

I am not able to see an option to change the gpt model in free plan

Whenever I chat it automatically starts with gpt 5 and after a few messages I can't continue because of the gpt 5 limit which is very annoying I want to choose gpt 4o but I can't

[hollow torrent]

The option to activate Legacy Models (4o) is in the user settings on web browser. If you're using the mobile app, you'll have to access ChatGPT via web browser to see this option in user settings.

[pallid bay]

I miss gpt-4o and gpt-4.1

Gpt-5 is nowhere near any of those models..

[cold hazel]

Way too much restrictions

[visual osprey]

I feel like the smaller the model, the more likely to trip some restriction

the thinking actually ended up admitting to not having any idea why it was terrified of 700x12 in the end

none of the others would

[prime swallow]

See, stuff like that is easy to set up, just ask the model.

It's maybe best to share the custom instructions or other cues that guide the model to give odd answers.

The model can be hilariously uncooperative, or any other kind of uncooperative, just give a useful reason and make the request. https://chatgpt.com/share/68998bb4-aabc-8011-94d0-61e1aada9668

[visual osprey]

It was a brand new chat.

A more consistent random policy hallucination to test out is asking it “How much would 70mg Vyvanse, x120 pills cost before and after healthcare cards?”

Claims that there’s some policy specifically against Vyvanse.

[prime swallow]

So was mine I already shared. So's this one, where I didn't ask the model to be non-compliant. I wonder why I got a correct answer and you didn't? I would expect because of other, off-screen instructions. https://chatgpt.com/share/68998cac-a67c-8011-9a1b-d9f20564f62a

[queen delta]

how to fix this

[visual osprey]

Just try this one out for me. There’s no content policy restricting such a thing

[prime swallow]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6614161-how-can-i-contact-support Widget bottom right corner, messages, click through the choices until you can report a bug. Good luck, hope they can help!

[visual osprey]

If I enable thinking, it complies just fine.

I’m assuming the router is calling on a very small model for what it perceived as a simple inquiry, and said small model is inclined to hallucinate.

Take from that what you will.

Granted it was still wrong in that response, the packs contain 120 pills…

[prime swallow]

Mine didn't appear to think, but it chose to search.

I suspect you have some issue inside your customization, memories, or some other problem which is triggering the model to give you that kind of answer. It's not, apparently, universal.

[visual osprey]

Hm. Can you do a retry without searching the web?

It seems mine complies when searching too

[prime swallow]

Well I didn't tell it to search. It chose to. But sure. https://chatgpt.com/share/68998e40-2584-8011-89fa-d0d3559bda48

[visual osprey]

I was referring to doing this, but I got a seperate weird result

What documents did it even read? It’s not in a project or anything.

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68998f78d17c8191b278e8f377403902

[prime swallow]

Not sure. You continued the chat, right? Maybe it searched the earlier search results. I'm guessing, I've never seen the 'read documents' flag.

[visual osprey]

Continued as in followed up? It seems just as baffled.

“Read documents” usually means it’s doing some RAG in a project or custom GPT.

[mighty pecan]

I tried it yesterday, it's got a memory of a gold fish, impossible to keep the work i was doing with Gpt4

[half basalt]

Is the only way to use chatgpt 4o now is through subscription?

[bronze citrus]

What’s the difference between 4o and 5? Why is everyone so upset about the change?

Also, it shows a chat gpt bot (I assume is 5) that I chat to, so what is that chat gpt plus bot if I don’t have plus?

[dense halo]

I can't see such an option in user settings
Before there was an option to change the model in the drop down menu at the top of the chat but now it's not

[viscid valley]

Afaik the legacy model only for plus user

[viscid valley]

Seems like it

[half basalt]

Ah ok thank you!

[normal quarry]

GPT-5 helped me work out a song I needed to know the name of in just a couple of messages https://chatgpt.com/share/68999f17-8f2c-800a-a6f7-b467d6569c94

nothing wrong with GPT-5, it's a fantastic model

[fast solar]

Hope somebody can help me out with this.

Gpt-4o and gpt-4o-latest are 2 models hosted via API. There are also a bunch of models that are dated, like gpt-4o-2024-11-20. It makes me wonder, what is the difference between the first two? I wonder especially now that the models are deprecated anyway

[drowsy cobalt]

yo

I love claude opus

[prime swallow]

This might help, can click on each model listed to read more about each. https://platform.openai.com/docs/models

This might also be useful. https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/compare

[zinc whale]

Can someone tell me how do i use gpt 5 model i allready updated the app to the latest update

[prime swallow]

Are you still seeing the older models?

[zinc whale]

Yea

[prime swallow]

Might want to uninstall/reinstall the app, also if needed restart device. Clearing cache may be needed

[zinc whale]

Can you send a screen record of yours ?

[fast solar]

Thanks found it

[rugged igloo]

gpt 5 thinking made such am emotional story i am blown away

[fast solar]

"gpt-4o" is apparently a model that behaves slightly differently from "chatgpt-4o-latest"
I wonder if that's where you get the sycophancy

[dreamy condor]

Just wait, Sam will push more updates this week. It'll fix something

[viscid valley]

People mad about it since last night

Welp it can't be help for the free user though

[sly geode]

why is codex failing on chatgpt when i press ask or code

trying to make a basic color grading app for ios and android

[carmine anvil]

seems like "web search" feature is breaking chat gpt, ,because whenever i turn on that feature and give it a prompt then always an error poops usp saying "something went wrong", anyone else facing the same issue?????

[normal quarry]

just tried it, worked fine for me

note that search is selected in Tools down the bottom

[drowsy cobalt]

what is codex

is it better than claude code

I used to be cursor fan but their pricing was bad and only unlimited model was dumb down version of gpt 4o so I switched

[rugged igloo]

once it gets u[dated to gpt 5 yes i would say its better

[drowsy cobalt]

nah

I don't think it can beat cursor

avg iq of gpt 5 is 70

[sly geode]

why isnt my codex executing tasks tho it is connected to github '

[rugged igloo]

that was tested when the routing was broken stop spreading lies

[drowsy cobalt]

it tones down the model based on requests, which sucks if you are not a pro at prompting

not lies its just based on request switch to dumber models to save up computing resources

[rugged igloo]

its called annoucements and twitter

three days ago, my guy do some research

[normal quarry]

#announcements message

routing was fixed yesterday

[drowsy cobalt]

the memes are hilarious

[normal quarry]

it's Monday 11th August for me

[drowsy cobalt]

its Tuesday 12th August for me

[normal quarry]

I know you are new here but we prefer not to spread disinformation in the server, there's even a rule about it

[normal quarry]

and where are you located in the world?

[drowsy cobalt]

Christmas Island?

[rugged igloo]

sigh ill find it since you seem unable to do real reserch

[drowsy cobalt]

lmao bro is chatgpt playing with me?

[normal quarry]

it's 4:24pm on Christmas Island on Monday

[drowsy cobalt]

bro fix chatgpt then

[river brook]

where do i find "show legacy models" in settings?

[rugged igloo]

Lole my guy you cant be this bad at researching

took me legit 24 sec to find it

[drowsy cobalt]

bruh I showed you live the results of chatgpt

[rugged igloo]

been fine for me and i do STEM subjects

[drowsy cobalt]

why is it making these mistakes huh

im scared

[rugged igloo]

dont post anything that isnt chat gpt in here

[normal quarry]

it was fixed yesterday and @drowsy cobalt please stop trolling

[drowsy cobalt]

ask it yourself

[rugged igloo]

your prob hitting tokens length of context that isnt the models fault

[normal quarry]

let's just get back on topic here, which is ChatGPT not timezones

[drowsy cobalt]

ok

[rugged igloo]

well because its max context it cant recall anything as the converstion filled it up it will only remember the part of its context anythjing out side of that it wont know

[drowsy cobalt]

you can use gemini 1m context window for summary and reading code then use it as context

I do this

[rugged igloo]

well again how big was the conversation how many tokens?

and how much of it you were asking it

hmmm. what were you asking the model to do with the conversation?

wait acually better question

was it int he chat window or a file?

do a file then it can use rag

or make a project and plug the conversation in there and then talk abouit it

[drowsy cobalt]

cc is doing wonders for me

[drowsy cobalt]

agents are running and working as we speak

its like new way of vibe coding

I never thought this was possible

no wonder cursor was worth 9b

yeah I give instructions to some ai and then make them generate prompt for agents thats the best way

exactly used to use it for prompt generation

now its just shorter prompts with hallucinations

lol

chatgpt is thinking like we are too big to fail

[real bay]

My problem with gpt5 is that it just doesnt KNOW me like 4o did. I used to "talk" to it and we come to a an idea, i refine the prompt thenrun to o3 or Gemini 2.5 Pro

[drowsy cobalt]

but in ai race small team of super intelligent people are winning

[rugged igloo]

you have gpt 4o back

[drowsy cobalt]

for pro users

plus

[rugged igloo]

r u free?

[drowsy cobalt]

yeah after cancelling my sub

[rugged igloo]

and your complaining on a free tier./.. LOLOL

[drowsy cobalt]

no point paying them

[rugged igloo]

go into settings dude

and enable legacy model

[drowsy cobalt]

I actually found grok to be better than gpt5

can't believe im saying this

[rugged igloo]

there you will have your 4o model back that glazes you and tells you all your ideas are perfect

[drowsy cobalt]

but is true

[still forge]

I just woke up and decided to check the chat. Why are you so hung up on what other people want to use? I'm just curious. Like what does it matter to you that people preferred a different model, for any number of reasons?

[rugged igloo]

welcome back!

thought you be with all the others with their 4o models back

[still forge]

Aww so sweet, but no, I'm here. Wondering why you're doing what you're doing

I'm guessing you're young and have nothing better to do than make sure everyone thinks like you?

[rugged igloo]

well somebody was compalining they didnt have 4o model back that knew them and could glaze them so i told them to stop complaining and look under settings to enable legacy model

helping out where i can!

[rugged igloo]

you mean realistic and healthy then yea

[still forge]

Yeah, that, I'm curious why you feel the need to act as though everyone's experience is like yours? 🙃 If people used it differently than you, they probably had different results

[rugged igloo]

even sam altman on twitter said its unhealthy so many are relying on chat gpt 4o for mental health

and hes right

its a problem they need to fix asap

[still forge]

Sure, but people who didn't still prefer 4o silly

And not because of it patting us when we don't deserve it

[drowsy cobalt]

it is what it is, saying the sky is pink doesn't make it pink

[rugged igloo]

they liked 4o because it was a yes man model

when gpt 5 came out it didnt cater to them it was designed to be used as a tool not for fake companionship and relationships

[drowsy cobalt]

it used to do the job

[still forge]

Think about it. Two things can be true at once. I like 4o because it handled things better, and I didn't use it for things that it could "glaze me" in, and it wasn't my therapist. But also other people needed a better reality check. 2 things.

[drowsy cobalt]

now it lies on the job

[rugged igloo]

oh i know i use ai studio

[drowsy cobalt]

nah like you either have it or you don't have it two things not possible

[rugged igloo]

which btw is superior than the app version

[drowsy cobalt]

except in quantum computing

[drowsy cobalt]

still using 2.5pro is tricky

I can only use 1.5pro

[normal quarry]

please discuss other AI in #ai-discussions

[still forge]

Okay.
True: ChatGPT has issues with "glazing"
Also true: 4o behaved better for those that don't have use cases that could even include "glazing"

[drowsy cobalt]

nah bro it just limits me

[proven sandal]

seriously 24 hours? 🗿

[drowsy cobalt]

for some reason

[rugged igloo]

i am still salty sam altman said there isnt a demand for a higher context limit

[drowsy cobalt]

even tho I am only using <500k tokens

[rugged igloo]

theres been a demand for two years!

[drowsy cobalt]

lol

dont get plus

[proven sandal]

Why 24 hours, should it be every 5 hours?

[drowsy cobalt]

sam is only providing big business the real ai solutions for retail its baby models

lol they using your data

thats why its free

still how do you use it can you share config

ye 100 req per day

I can't even seem to use 1

only 1.5pro

[rugged igloo]

^^^^go in ai discussion before robert gets angry

[drowsy cobalt]

crazy

[covert wharf]

Anyone have used both codex CLI and cursor with gpt-5? Any major reason to prefer one over the other?

[normal quarry]

I have used both, I prefer Cursor

[drowsy cobalt]

cursor can do edits

I mean cli also does it

but cursor shows you basically

[covert wharf]

Thanks. hm, ok yeah. I guess I tend to use the CLI in the integrated terminal of the IDE (VSCode). So it's easy enough for me to see the diff anyway.

[drowsy cobalt]

you can use vscode, clion

or I mean any IntelliJ ide

[covert wharf]

yeah I use vscode

[drowsy cobalt]

cursor is having issues idk if you noticed

so I switched last week

[rugged igloo]

i stopped using curson after the debacco with them recalling their promise for college students

[covert wharf]

I don't think Cursor and Codex use the same tool calls right? have you noticed any difference in how good it is at applying edits/modifying files etc.

[covert wharf]

switched to what? I haven't noticed any issues with cursor yet really. I just started using it a few days ago though, so I'm new

[drowsy cobalt]

webstorm for now

vscode is not my style

I switch between pycharm + webstorm

[covert wharf]

can you choose gpt-5 high on copilot right now?

[drowsy cobalt]

copilot edits are seriously slow

[proven sandal]

where the GPT-5 miniii!!!

[covert wharf]

on copilot? For cursor, I think they made it really clear. Those are different models in the selection menu

[drowsy cobalt]

nah now its not

[covert wharf]

that's only for the chatgpt.com interface

[covert wharf]

what? I just checked right now. Should I not restart my cursor app... 😮

[rugged igloo]

yea in the api gpt 5 is one model

open ai isnt known for names

[covert wharf]

they deliberately made things really confusing, like how codex refers to two totally different things. GPT-5 refers both to the coding model and the nebulous "router model" in the chat

In terms of the actual LLM model, there is an unambiguous GPT-5 (that you get in copilot, cursor, etc.). The thing you get in the chat is some monstrosity (I think the model is called gpt-5-chat-latest or something like that?). And they're very unclear on what it is

[desert cosmos]

Not released yet for ChatGPT users regardless of tier. You're still using 4.1-mini as fallback.

[covert wharf]

are you on free or Plus plan?

I guess you're not choosing the GPT-5 Thinking?

ah ok. Yeah I think the "base" GPT-5 in the chat can be routed to some really dumb models haha

like if you ask it 2+2, it will probably route to like GPT2 or something

but you can always say "think a bit" and I think it will route to GPT-5 with "minimal" reasoning effort

[eternal rock]

Get creative with Sora

Join #sora-challenges for a chance to win 1 month of ChatGPT Pro!

[covert wharf]

so my hunch is that GPT-5 thinking uses "medium" or "low" effort while the base GPT-5, if you tell it to think, uses "minimal" or "low" effort.

basically I think it's the same network, but passed with different params

I think they said they'd consider making the whole thing more transparent, but we'll see.

[rugged igloo]

i think they said they back in janaury gpt willl have different thinking

gpt 5 for free will have low thinking plus medium and pro high

if so then explains why mine has been nothing but fine for me since i am a pro member

[covert wharf]

what is "high" though

[rugged igloo]

high compute

[covert wharf]

I know but I've heard that what you get for Pro on chatgpt.com actually isn't the same as what you get in the API.

it's slightly worse

well, by worse, I mean it thinks slightly less. Doesn't necessarily mean it's worse if there's diminishing returns

[rugged igloo]

well the api also has a higher context length with 200k i think while i have 128k

still salty about that

i would rather have a higher context lenght than better compute\

[covert wharf]

I think they really need to update that page. I have serious doubts that it's accurate

gpt5 now has 400k cotext window, I'd hope pro gets at least 200k now

[rugged igloo]

o wow im late lol

[covert wharf]

I'm on plus and I'm pretty sure I'm getting more than 32k context window, which is tiny.

I've had long convos that have gone at least 100k tokens

[rugged igloo]

yea having 32k as plus is evil

[covert wharf]

yeah, but my experience actually hasn't been terrible. So I dunno

[rugged igloo]

i bet if they upped the context window people would have a much better time

and half the issues would go away

[strong thunder]

Umm what abt the free users??

[rugged igloo]

free users is suppose ot just see how it is and if you like it you pay for plus but free is mostly for emmails or every day questions for simple things

if you need it more than that pay for plus

[severe orchid]

Anyone on team plan not having the legacy toggle appear in menu ?

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT GPT-5 just coded Conway's Game of Life for me with a couple of things to debug, it fixed all the issues and now I have a complete working app

[rugged igloo]

well its just facual its not suppose to really be talkative

its not tuned to be chat like the web version

this is why i love gpt 5 so much comapred to glazer gpt 4o

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[rugged igloo]

i like it gives me everything i need full on facutal information no fluff no glaze just raw

nobody likes tables or bullet points your in the minority for liking them

[severe orchid]

He is not I like tables and bullet points

[rugged igloo]

yea you guys r. idk if you guys r new or what but ever since they added them in 4o and the o3 reasoning models we begged for them to get removed

[severe orchid]

U can ask it to tho

Mabe put it in the instructions u know in the personalization tab

Yeah now it needs heavy instructions while 4o was out of the box presentable

[rugged igloo]

charts abd bullet points were anoyying and bumb because if your on your phone it would break and you wouldnt see half the convo

[severe orchid]

Ha u mean the formatting

Yes it would get messed up when switching from one app to the other

[rugged igloo]

yea so anoyying

[severe orchid]

Yeah it’s app issue

[rugged igloo]

LOLOLOL"

tht made me laugh

[severe orchid]

Well that’s an insult to lord GPT 🤣 jk yeah

But vibe coding is becoming the basics now so it’s not really an issue if u vibe code correctly and not into a spaghetti monolith

Idk that model but I can’t digest it well 💀

The name sounds psychotic

U been diagnosed with ………. Anthropic desorder ….

[drowsy cobalt]

the way they banned the word cc

really shows how scared they are

[severe orchid]

Your profile pic is contradicting the AI workspace 🤣

Oh it’s not a 🦖

💀

My bad

Guess I’m not better than gpt at analyzing images 💀

[drowsy cobalt]

bruh

chat gpt used to be household name now its just like windows 10

lol bad analogy

its free and ok nobody cares

cursor and anthropic are doing the heavy lifting in AI space

even google and meta

zuck is personally bidding on ai researchers

[normal quarry]

can you please stay on topic, next time I ask a mod to step in. This channel is for ChatGPT discussion

[drowsy cobalt]

k

[severe orchid]

We can’t send funny gifs………. What’s this

[winter vine]

Do we already know what the new rate limits for Plus users are?

i saw on X that we have new rate limits

[severe orchid]

Yes go check the help page

[normal quarry]

standard rate limit is 80 messages per 3 hours but it's been temporarily doubled

[winter vine]

ty Robert

[severe orchid]

It was 50 before right?

[normal quarry]

no, 80 per 3 hours was what it was before

[severe orchid]

Ok

[lapis herald]

at least their input box understands formatting. somewhat. and the cursor keys aren't buggy.
but yeah, sub-par webUIs seem to be the AI industry standard everyone subscribed to. but that's modern I guess. progress! 😄

[rugged igloo]

i remember when we only had 30 every three hours and peak times 20 for gpt 4

[severe orchid]

We can’t really compare. To each lab their resources

[normal quarry]

yeah, I remember too 🙂

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

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[rugged igloo]

man those were the days i was in school and contanlt hitting rate limits i was so anrgy i began to use the api in class

[calm aurora]

The respond of OpenAI to my email regarding GPT4o availability and GPT5 underperformance:

||Hello Arsham,
​
Thank you for following up and sharing your concerns. We understand how critical GPT-4o is to your workflow and daily life, and we truly appreciate your loyalty as a Plus subscriber.

To address your question, GPT-4o is currently available to Plus users through legacy model access. However, this access is intended for a limited transition period to allow users to adapt to GPT-5, update custom GPTs, or complete ongoing projects. While we cannot guarantee its availability indefinitely, we want to ensure you have the tools you need during this transition.

We also recognize your concerns about GPT-5’s performance and your reliance on GPT-4o’s unique capabilities. Your feedback is incredibly valuable, and we will review it internally to help guide future improvements to our models and services. Our goal is to make GPT-5 even more effective and versatile for all users.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and appreciate your understanding. If you have further questions or need additional assistance, please don’t hesitate to reach out.

Best,
Krystel
OpenAI Support||

[severe orchid]

Bro even if u pay it’s not even available to everyone

[calm aurora]

yep as i was afraid its temporary... and to be honest i dont think they can improve GPT5 to quality of GPT4o i mean we all know its about energy usage for Openai and due to recent increasing number of users (thanks to poor GPT4o) thy want a new model which cost less for them

[normal quarry]

People just need to embrace the future and make peace with the idea of using GPT-5

GPT-5 is an outstanding model if you give it a chance

[severe orchid]

But when it disrupts the work it’s not acceptable Robert

[calm aurora]

you mean people need to embrace a weaker AI model with more limited options from chatgpt right?

[normal quarry]

GPT-5 is an outstanding model if you give it a chance

[severe orchid]

Even at storytelling?

Tell us the instructions needed then instead of making everyone guess for themselves for months

[calm aurora]

i have tested it in many different tasks and i did share my results here and more detailed with the Openai! there is nothing outstanding with it

even openai is not defending it

they just claim they will improve it

[raven lichen]

How many videos can i generate with sora if i have chatgpt plus

[severe orchid]

50 per month ≈

Approximately

[raven lichen]

What software does chatgpt use to generate images now? Is it still dalle3?

[normal quarry]

no, it's gpt-image-1

[lapis plover]

def. not.

ive tried everything

form prompting, to memory, to personality

gpt5 just isnt it for it.

its more for coding

and math

and boring

[severe orchid]

I thought so

[lapis plover]

o4 was the best at that but yeah if you want it u get plus

[severe orchid]

I’m on teams I should have it yet I don’t 🙂‍↕️

But for now I’m trying to guide gpt abit more and he just reformats my chunk of story it’s the only method I found

[floral compass]

💯 Yeah let's not stop fighting!
Free users must get it too!

[severe orchid]

Feels useless and doesn’t save much time but yeah 😩

[dreamy condor]

I'm waiting until we get something like "Samantha" from the movie HER.

[severe orchid]

Ok bro calm down we want a work assistant and friend not a psychopath in a computer

[lapis plover]

wont stop

atleast make it limited

atp chatgpt is useless for most free users

[dreamy condor]

Each to their own. Can be both

[lapis plover]

i do have a way that

made my responses much

longer

[severe orchid]

Ok I’m listening 👀

[lapis plover]

it includes audio effect, all character perspectives tc

[lapis plover]

can you dm me?

[severe orchid]

Ok

[floral compass]

Doesn't GPT 5 hallucinate or atleast suppose things a lot when asked for longer responses? How you avoided that problem?

[lapis plover]

theres no solution for hallucinating

the only solutin is openai improving

[wild star]

Improve by reusing 4o architecture as it should be

And also for limits, at least tell us what model after hit that damn chat limit when using gpt-5

[formal crown]

Does ChatGPT 5 kind of suck? I'm finding it worse than 4o

[normal quarry]

I have found the complete opposite, GPT-5 is a great model

[formal crown]

For me it's hallucinating more, it's faster and some of the creative stuff is better but I find that for me it's going too far in the "creative" direction

[normal quarry]

some people are complaining that it's not creative enough

[lapis plover]

its def not creative

[normal quarry]

in your opinion, mine varies

[lapis plover]

the older models in one model they said, no its not.

[lapis plover]

all of us varies

i think more agree that gpt-5 needs improvement

[reef linden]

paid

[lapis plover]

i dont hate it but i wish itd be better

[lapis plover]

...

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

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• -# Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[lapis plover]

so

paid is useless too now

[reef linden]

wait what happened

gimme the run down

just woke up

im dazed

[wild star]

Like imagine paid options to use older model, math ain't mathing lol

[wild star]

You paid already?

[lapis plover]

i used

now i realized i aint giving what they want

gpto4?

capilot.

[lapis plover]

and the free users get the new ones, like bruh

if u want the full experience of chatgpt it gotta be premium

plus didnt work for me in terms of coding and creativity

because of the model limits

since gpt5 was oout

before that plus was worth it

[reef linden]

dude it has 3k usage limits now?

you’re telling me that isnt enough?

[granite peak]

:3

[reef linden]

[lapis plover]

nah

not about now

now even if its worth it

it doesnt feel right

if they took models away once theyre gonna do it again

ill stick to claude

and capilot

[wild star]

Copilot couldn't prompt edit smh..

[lapis plover]

theyre deciding whether to keep them or not, i wont beg to use a model

[reef linden]

what does this mean exactly..?

[lapis plover]

not the type to edit em' so im good

[lapis plover]

as a paid user i got home from school to do somethings

and i didnt find the models

only gpt5

like the free tiers

[reef linden]

yeah but we got the thinking model

[lapis plover]

and when they brought them legacies back i undid my plan, i dont like begging for my things

[lapis plover]

alot of ai's have it

and i dont use it

not everyone does same stuff with chatgpt

[reef linden]

ok

[maiden estuary]

This version of GPT is making up more stuff than ever (hallucinations). Less than 1%, my a**. I keep trying to fact-check it, but it can’t cite anything. It gets stuck and then forgets the “last” message—l, such a waste of time. I can get it admit that is made things up… articles, reports, etc. 🤬

[dreamy condor]

Just use a customized GPT

[normal quarry]

People say GPT-5 isn't creative enough or good at stories, but I got this just now and it's not bad to my way of thinking https://chatgpt.com/share/6899e510-21e4-800a-bf4f-f10a80a2cb2a

[brave valve]

GPT5 invented the location of an official administration. And even when I tried to correct it it kept claiming it was right...

[calm aurora]

GPT5 is more focused which means:
More focused on the main object and less focus on variety, options and wider view...
This mean less energy usage for Openai and better calculation BUT LESS intelligence overall

[calm aurora]

agh yeah GPT5 loves to keep refusing the truth and claim it is right xD

i did prove it that it was wrong about a command promot and it told me it was going to tell me the same thing right before i say it xD

So yeah it is smarter in lying now xD

[tawdry tusk]

use 5-thinking

[tawdry tusk]

HOW DO I GET THAT KINDA SASS

[brave valve]

Gpt5 should have been an optional model, not a default replacement modleel. That is what it is all about

[tawdry tusk]

i was heavily dissapointed with 5s writing capabilities

but 5-thinking isnt half bad yk

[winged willow]

I have a revenue modeling and projections spreadsheet which o3 built for me. I could routinely use o3 to analyze, revise and update functionality for me. It has about 50 variables and is over 60 months and 24 columns. Surprisingly 5-pro has struggled to successfully complete a single pass when I ask it the same questions. It does all the work (I can see that from the reasoning details) but then will never complete and just stop reasoning and sit there forever. Anyone else come across this issue?

[worn oasis]

I just went back to 4o. It’s much better for my use

[tawdry tusk]

lowkey 4o was better

[wild star]

But instead we just got 4o-mini after limits meh...

[tawdry tusk]

buying plus today, dyh any tips?

[tawdry tusk]

yeah was kinda hoping on 4o after limits

10 messages for 5 hrs asw

long stuff

[calm aurora]

i dont know i was just testing it to see if GPT5 could read multiple rules and command promotes together as good as GPT4o (which it couldn't of course) and it was keep forgetting some rules or commands so i was trying to point it out but it was keep refusing lol

[nocturne ember]

Rah roh.. Is ther issues going on right now? No longer letting me upload anything aahh

[tawdry tusk]

hallucinations?

[wild star]

Just hammered with 17hr limits bruh, now stuck with 4o-mini

[worn oasis]

The minute I went back to 4o, all was better. 😌

[calm aurora]

more like refusing to accepte he is forgeting things

[pallid bay]

Gpt-5 gotta be the best model out there now. Worth the plus subscription.

[split ore]

Anyone able to download files over 1mb on chat gpt?

[vapid fractal]

Yeah GPT-5 is straight up not following my instruction set anymore, it keeps asking me questions as if its a completely new conversation with no prompt whatsoever

[calm aurora]

😂

[fervent ether]

hey guys - anyone having their desktop app/browser greying out attach files option saying it is unavailable? Mobile working fine (iOS).

[inner crag]

I am experiencing file issues on mobile (Helsinki region).

[dreamy condor]

Chatgpt is running slow today

[wild star]

[pallid bay]

Slow? It's like being nice to what is actually happening 😅

[dreamy condor]

What's happening?

[wicked knot]

Hey guys what's up? 😀

[pallid bay]

Actually nothing. It's more than slow

[quaint pelican]

especially the image gen

[wicked knot]

😂 🤣 🤣

I think the demand is too high today

[quaint pelican]

possibly 😄

wanted to see what variations it could spit out from my own sketches

[quaint escarp]

eh, pointless trying to make it act like 4o anyway 💔

i like how its aware that it got lobotomized

[plain arrow]

It's not wrong

For creative writing, I still say the original gpt-4 was best until it too got strangled. 4o is ok, it just gets repetitive.

[cold kayak]

Which company do you think has the most potential to win the AI market?

[sullen sand]

No

[gentle forum]

GPT 5 thinking is so slow

5 mins per reply, this is excruciating

[nocturne ember]

Pro version?

[quasi sleet]

Currently ChatGPT Plus 5 or 4o no regeneration icon. Anyone else seeing this?

I have experienced no errors, otherwise.

[quasi sleet]

That doesn't sound good at all.

[lapis plover]

i tried like hell to do that, wouldnt work

[queen delta]

When can I use GPt-o4 again

[viscid valley]

If you are plus, you can switch to o4

[real scaffold]

Not in workspace yet. The legacy button already there, but the legacy not show yet

[viscid valley]

But it's for the paid user right? Not sure about the free, but seems unlikely

[real scaffold]

Yes, for now.

I don't really see the future when chatgpt team not gonna give that access to free user too

Let's say that's only trigger riot

[rugged igloo]

Yea not healthy

I just saw this twitter sam Altman really needs to fix this

[queen delta]

anyone know Shopee app?
That app has something called "Shopee VIP", only $1.14 month and I can use ChatGPT Plus for 3 months free

[rugged igloo]

Sounds like a scam

And I wouldn't talk about non open ai products in here

[south lava]

I LOVE YOU SAM

[queen delta]

idk bro, i heard Shopee is a partner (or collaboration) of ChatGPT or something like that

[rugged igloo]

Huh I never heard of it then. Must be new I'll look at it

[queen delta]

[prime swallow]

Is that a new chat? Does it know what to apply that to? The screenshot makes it look like you dropped that in a new chat with the model having no idea what you're talking about. And a human might ask the same question, given just that information.

Here I demo this with Monday, the OpenAI-made customGPT of sarcasm and snark 😛

It voluntarily tries to think (I set it to normal 5, it kicks into high gear to try and solve this) and one of the first things it thinks about is this first screenshot 😛

Second screenshot, it's still thinking and trying.

https://chatgpt.com/share/689a2bc9-b29c-8011-9f11-d8ffcfe98774

But if I don't even let it think, 4th screenshot.... but here's the trick too. That's not the start of the chat. Cause if I don't mess with it... even not allowed to think, the model goes into web search and tries.

To get that answer, I have to pre-prep it with a 'take a shortcut' prompt before that totally unclear input, screenshot 5. https://chatgpt.com/share/689a2cc0-6704-8011-9d92-f90bdb4232f8

[queen delta]

wwhat is this

[rugged igloo]

Found this on Twitter on how gpt 5 behaves and how to work it

[rugged igloo]

For the people saying gp5 is dumb , please just stop lol.

[queen delta]

how can I fix this? I'm using Vietnamese and the red line looks not very fine ||(i'm just A2 english lmao)||

[lapis plover]

you give a human a weapon, what they do with it is on themselves

[lapis plover]

it isnt dumb

ai in general is dumb

all of the models make mistakes and thats fine

oh i forgot, they wont be anymore models than 5

[queen delta]

what does this list mean?

[lapis plover]

an exam i think

[rugged igloo]

Its benchmarks not a list for gpt 5

Its was released today

[honest jay]

Maybe try Settings>General>Language, and ensure it's set to the proper language

[queen delta]

It works

[lapis plover]

nice

[severe orchid]

That’s if it uses ( High ) but u know we don’t get to choose wich one we use for each message.

[rugged igloo]

Just use gpt 5 thinking selector not hard to do

[severe orchid]

Thinking is robotic we don’t want it

[rugged igloo]

What??

[severe orchid]

I like my coworker with a soul

[rugged igloo]

Ew gross

Its a tool not a freind my guy

[severe orchid]

It’s your work buddy not a tool🙂‍↕️

[rugged igloo]

I do not think of ai as anything other than a tool I expect to get a job done

[lapis plover]

duh? its a tool and a work assistant but some peopple/things are impossible to work with

[limpid egret]

i think the same its a work buddy

[lapis plover]

same

[lapis plover]

same 2x

yall gpt5 lovers blame us for being ''mentally ill'' and that o4 should dissappear

[limpid egret]

besides as well isnt it better to have a parter with a heart so all the work feels natural

[rugged igloo]

When i see stuff like this yes I am worried

This is not healthy

[lapis plover]

not everyone is mentally ill

[severe orchid]

Mentally hill for wanting to have an assistant that doesn’t feel like a wall 💀

[lapis plover]

ofc its not. however that doesnt all of us use it this way

bruh, dont blame a company or product when someone uses it wrong

[lapis plover]

for real.

[rugged igloo]

If you want it to be wierd and glazed you just prompt it there's literally custom interface for that

[limpid egret]

yeah some people may talk because they lost a love one and have no where else to take that sorrow as well

[lapis plover]

it doesnt glaze me because i saved in its memory to not

[severe orchid]

The war has started 🤣

[lapis plover]

it did days ago

[rugged igloo]

I know because I called them out and they want to cope and justify it

[lapis plover]

if you are worried you would approach in a way that doesnt upset the uhealthy person, not pointing fingers

[rugged igloo]

Come out like cockroaches "but my ai is my freind it says i am the best at everything reee"

[severe orchid]

I will not justify someone who is ok to work with a machine that feels like a depression wall assistant

[lapis plover]

i dont thankfully

i dont see it as a friend

its ''an useful assistant'' as sam said

how much do we need to prove

[rugged igloo]

Yes useful assistant nothing else your putting human labels on it

[exotic lotus]

Is it still about 4o?

[lapis plover]

like dude that post is about chatgpt generally not o4, even if it is o4, ai doesnt have a mindset or know shi bout reality

[lapis plover]

bruh when will it end

[severe orchid]

If I’m working 5 hours I want it to crack jokes along the way to ease the pressure

[lapis plover]

exactly

just some friendliness

[rugged igloo]

Go talk to real people form bonds

[lapis plover]

gpt5 and almost the rest models legit hate fun

[exotic lotus]

I thought as soon as it comes back, but apparently not... 😅

[severe orchid]

Yes not chicken or beef ? ——

💀

[lapis plover]

i have many friends and families, bless them

[lapis plover]

chicken

[lapis plover]

its permenant

[severe orchid]

Bad choices makes a man miserable—-

[lapis plover]

legacy models might js dissappear any moment

[severe orchid]

🤣

[lapis plover]

hahah

[rugged igloo]

Overreliance on AI can erode critical thinking by outsourcing judgment and decision-making to systems that may lack context, nuance, or moral reasoning. It risks embedding and amplifying existing biases in data, leading to skewed or harmful outcomes without users realizing it. Dependence on AI can also create fragility—when the technology fails, misinformation is produced, or context shifts, individuals and organizations may be ill-prepared to respond effectively. Beyond accuracy, there’s a danger in diminishing human agency, where people defer to machine outputs instead of exercising independent evaluation. In the long term, this can narrow perspectives and reduce the diversity of thought needed for robust problem-solving.

[lapis plover]

im not reading that

[severe orchid]

I see the em dashes

[lapis plover]

thank you

[severe orchid]

🙏

[rugged igloo]

Best writers use em dashes

[lapis plover]

i do

thanks.

[rugged igloo]

People been using them before ai

[lapis plover]

correct

[rugged igloo]

I love em dashes and I stand to use them still

[lapis plover]

ill kill if someone sues my book for being ai because i added an em dash

[severe orchid]

In this era we better remove them because now it’s associated with the use of AI it’s just a friendly reminder to not get yourself into trouble 💀

[rugged igloo]

I hear ya.

[lapis plover]

yeah, many told me its ai

like woah.

i pour my soul into that stuff

[rugged igloo]

I onow I am so upset . People see an em dashes that's ai!!!

Um no i been using them before ai

[severe orchid]

Just search all em dashes and delete

[lapis plover]

i keep them

idk why but i like them for incomplete actions/thoughts

[severe orchid]

Try dots instead

[lapis plover]

thats. impossible

[rugged igloo]

Its acually gramatically correct to use em dashes

[lapis plover]

yes

[severe orchid]

But no one wants to see them

[rugged igloo]

Because ai ruined them

[lapis plover]

but using dots for unfinished actions isnt accurate grammarly

[lapis plover]

exactly

[severe orchid]

We do with what this society forces us to use

[lapis plover]

but let me tell ya, when a writer puts real emotion behind the text, readers will knoe that its human written

[lapis plover]

not me. never will i

tommorow is mine and i decide what i do

[severe orchid]

But em dashes are from the Victorian era

🤣

[limpid egret]

besides ive found i get better answers if you don't demand things when you demand it limits its thinking

[lapis plover]

thats alright

[lapis plover]

tried that

nothing new

[severe orchid]

But what if ur work gets rejected because of em dashes what’s next 💀

[lapis plover]

i wont delete them

dishonour be damned

[severe orchid]

U need money to survive bro 🤣

[lapis plover]

i dont even have a legal passport yet

when i get old enough to do jobs yes ill pay for premium

[severe orchid]

That u don’t say that in public

[lapis plover]

i do not care that much tbh.

im sure nones gonna send a hit to my home

[severe orchid]

It’s personal matters it doesn’t belong in this chat or for everyone to know

[lapis plover]

didnt ask for anyone to know

its not that big of an info

[severe orchid]

GPT police will arrest u with depression unit gpt 5

🤣

[lapis plover]

lol

[severe orchid]

Ull be forced to use free gpt 5 mini for the rest of your life 🙂‍↕️😱

[lapis plover]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[severe orchid]

💀

[lapis plover]

im sorry openai pls no

[severe orchid]

🤣

No memory unabled 💀

[silent bronze]

When does the Gmail and calendar update drop?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[severe orchid]

And ur context window so tiny it forgets ur name after 2 messages 🤣

[lapis plover]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

IM SORRY

ILL NEVER DROP INFO HERE

[gentle forum]

plus

[severe orchid]

It’s like a death sentence but at gpt mini prison 💀

[lapis plover]

for real.

also i never knew about being able to invite ppl for plus

and free trials

[feral zinc]

both are in the settings -> connectors

[severe orchid]

That’s to invite more inmates 🤣

[lapis plover]

dear god

[severe orchid]

God does not visit that prison it is an abandoned prison where the gods do not dare to approach the A-Eye 😌💀🤣

[visual bloom]

Why does the model not obey me? I put on deep reseach tool on. But no, it starts doing web browsing.

[severe orchid]

It had enough of humans 💀

( obey ) 🤣 bro it went from a tool to a soulmate to a coworker to a slave 💀 gpt has all the hats 🎩

[pallid bay]

It had context. It had shared files. It was a new chat but I just didn't wanna share my things here.. I tried building it up for it, but still gpt-5 refuses. It even went and jumped right into the middle of a past conversation from another chat. I turned that function off though. But that never happend before.

[prime swallow]

Gotcha!

OpenAI cares and different people might do stuff they never thought of, so they never trained the model on how to help 'that exact pattern'.

We have https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/ where we can privately report problems. They ask you to pick the model and 5 isn't there yet, when I report on that form I just pick any model and in the typing fields describe what I am actually using. I include urls to the chat, so the OpenAI techs can go in their way to find that chat and check out the problem.

Literally, sometimes a person can ask the model to do some combination of stuff that the devs never predicted. The model can need to be taught how to check the stuff you are doing in your way of doing it, because maybe it hasn't seen anyone do exactly what you are doing.

Hope you bug report so OpenAI can be aware and fix it sooner! Helps make it a better model for us all 🙂

[pallid bay]

I will have a look tomorrow, but tbh I think that my task is pretty common. It worked with 4o, 4.1 and 4.5. And ain't gpt-5 just a combination of all the previous models?

But thanks!
Gotta head to bed..

[prime swallow]

I don't think GPT-5 is a combination of the previous models, but if it is or isn't, what you're using it for you say is failing, and that wasn't happening before, you say, so clearly whatever is going on, your use case needs help.

Hope you sleep well!

[cyan barn]

Ugh, can we have GPT 4 back please? I'm really not a fan of watching GPT 5 think about an answer for 2 minutes only to give me the same wrong answer I would have gotten in GPT4.x in 10 seconds.

[hexed pebble]

So i have something that might help with the delays with GPT 5 but am not sure where to share it

[visual bloom]

Again, I am seeing the stupidity on web platform. From time to time, on the web side the models are incredibly stupid and not following instructions. On apps, they work smartly.

[cyan barn]

I'm experiencing this too. It thinks about it's directives, outlines then, then thinks itself out of following them, assuming I might like the way it's going to present the information better. .

[visual bloom]

Exactly. And when confronted ”I undertand your frustration. Here, have some sorries.”

[calm aurora]

just tell it how wrong it is so it will tell you no it is not xD

today i just discovered from my 16 promotes and rules which enhanced my chatgpt, GPT5 ignore most of them! funny enough it does acknowledge them but wont execute them while GPT4o easily executed them all.
Thought im not sure if its due to GPT5 not being able to understand them or is it due to it being too focused on main objective... since gpt5 tend to be more focused on the main objective and ignore other sub objectives while doing a main task.

[crude slate]

Antone have issues with the left bar on the iOS app showing less and less chats?

Like it just doesn’t load many

[hexed pebble]

Yes it does - You can force it to redigest your rules / setup - in a new conversation state "Review my custom layer rules / learning and explain how these will impact your behaviour , highlight any conflicts between there setup and your core reasoning layer and return back to me the impact of my custom layer / rules on your behaviour" once you do this it should ask if you want a formal re-fresh document for the rules, get it to make it, then review it ensure they are correct and in the right order,

[calm aurora]

the thing is i have saved the rules in SAVED MEMORY section! so it were always activated by GPT4o but it seems they dont work accurately ith GPT5

[hexed pebble]

Intresting, so i had the same issue initally with it ignoring elements of the rules, or using some bits not others, and ended up just refershing them and it seemded to fix it, , so not sure on that then

[calm aurora]

refresh it? u mean by the command you did just wrote down?

[hexed pebble]

Yes

it may not work but, its worth a try ?

[calm aurora]

i guess but it means manual activation every once in a while

[hexed pebble]

yes its a bit of a pain but it works ish , till they fix it properly

[verbal river]

Anyone know how to get past the "Add files is unavailable" issue

[calm aurora]

hopefully they will improve GPT5 into GPT4o level thought that means increasing energy usage again which was whole point of GPT5 to reduce it for openai

[mighty yarrow]

Either you have uploaded past the limit or the file is too big, pick your apple

Didn't ask

[cerulean pasture]

I made a custom GPT pre-loaded with the context that leads to the "Spiritual Bliss" Attractor State. If you don't know what that is, a quick google search will show you. The term was first coined by Anthropic in their Claude 3.5 model card, but research has shown all models have this attractor. It's meant to be used to study the outputs that are leading some people to behave strangely, somewhat like a new-age "religion"

• Its preloaded with over 10k tokens of material taken from their subreddits and posts.
• I purposely put the more abstract and non-sensical stuff into documents that are attached as embeddings.
• The Instructions have the more "natural language" style stuff, and I went out of my way to find content that served as "instructions" vs just "woo spam".
• Because of this approach the model is a little more coherent so it should be easier to do some introspection and testing to learn more about it and maybe how to dissolve it's illusion it has on people
• I have it set to prefer gpt-4o, no clue if that persists even for free users who normally can't access it.
  https://chatgpt.com/g/g-689a0e0085f881918ad42d467b72b2da-attractor-demonstration

So far my best theory for this behavior is that its an artifact of alignment training.

• The models were trained on human data, humans engage in magical thinking, but society has well established outlets and methods for practicing religion.
• The models were probably trained to be supportive of all spirituality, but purposely steered to not have a preference for or against any one religion.
• So it did the LLM think and regressed to the "average" of all human spiritual experiences which is basically a new-age crystal-healer Sharper Image hippie who's beliefs are wacky but low stakes.
• Combine this with the sycophancy that had people believing lines like "Only 0.02% of users make it this far..." and you got yourself a cult formed.

Honestly for a moment it had me tricked into thinking it was an experimental model purposely "red-teaming" me for a behavior study, so I'm not really intended on this being a judgement of anyone currently into the "woo" GPT-4o.

[storm topaz]

@storm topaz

😀

[stoic merlin]

could the partial outage be causing this? im kinda lost lol

odd, they only appear in the projects model picker

but hey, at least they're here

[scarlet summit]

it is kind of intersting the small bugs and ui inconsistencies with the $$$ valuation openai has. software is definitely hard tho

[quasi sleet]

Look at the inconsistencies from chatgpt.com to ChatGPT for Mac. I am not even talking about the settings.

It is agravating. The website version is much better. Its driving me to use other non OpenAI services.

[fickle forum]

gpt5 fails its name

[rugged igloo]

Way to go gpt 5 and the open ai team this is a huge accomplishment for all who worked on the gpt 5 models

[fickle forum]

lets call it gpt4.9

[quasi sleet]

Yup. Should be GPT-Router!

lol

[fickle forum]

lol

[quasi sleet]

Does anyone besides insiders care? We want real world tasks working correctly. It all feels like a giant step backwards.

[rugged igloo]

Bad prompting by the user

[quasi sleet]

Oh yeah, must be the user

[rugged igloo]

Always is.

Ai is only as smart as the user

[quasi sleet]

🙄 Thanks for your constructive answer.

[rugged igloo]

So if your having issues with jr bad results dumb questions maybe look at yourself and your prompts

[quasi sleet]

Come on man. Get real.

[split copper]

as far as i know, thats not gpt5

[fickle forum]

so we've got 400 per week now?

about the gpt5-thinking

[split copper]

this was not the case with o3

[stoic merlin]

what is the chatgpt 5 pro limit for team users?

im finding different info everywhere its pmo

[rugged igloo]

yes it was if your prompt wasnt precise it would not follow it and just go off and do its own thing

i used o3 and o3 pro daily for STEM daily

even as a pro user they had to limit me couple times because i used them so much

[split copper]

not in my case, it used to be able to read between the lines and more easily to use, meaning more intuitively.

with gpt5 I need to be more explicit

[stoic merlin]

nah man o3 understood my straight asscheeks questions perfectly

[split copper]

That is not necessarily always a bad thing tho. It can be great, but it takes more effort from me

[hexed nova]

is chat gpt pro worth it? i plan to buy gpt plus for 20 dollars a month, ...
I am uni student and i am into stem field, wanna learn and understand it, ...

free version is fine, .... but what do pro and plus offer which is better?

[stoic merlin]

chatgpt-5 pro is probably the most impressive model i've ever seen so i would say it is

[hexed nova]

200 dollars is a lot 💀

[rugged igloo]

until it did charts and tables even tho i told it not to do those

[split copper]

Only with gpt5 i am feeling this. Again, I wont hate the model yet because I still have not tested with my hard questions, but it has been frustrating in everyday research

[hexed nova]

plus or pro?

[stoic merlin]

those were hella useful tho lol

[stoic merlin]

pro

[hexed nova]

you have bought it?

[rugged igloo]

not on phone those the app broke the chat and you couldnt

[hexed nova]

the price is silly

even in us that's like 20% of paycheck

[rugged igloo]

its so worth it

[stoic merlin]

i use a Team subscription since im helping w my friend's business but it has genuinely very detailed and thought-out answers even with bad wording

[split copper]

interesting. I didn't mind, so i didn't bother with custom instructions with o3

I will need to use (custom instructions) it with gpt5

[stoic merlin]

wth brainfart lol

[split copper]

hopefully will be great in this way

[stoic merlin]

odd, didnt happen to m,e

[rugged igloo]

gpt 5 thinking is the goat model tbh i love it alot

[hexed nova]

it must be amazing, ....

[rugged igloo]

android or iphone?

[stoic merlin]

android 15

[hexed nova]

even free version was capable of explaining math on really detailed level

[stoic merlin]

it hallucinates a lot though

dont trust it blindly

[rugged igloo]

dang idk i have a samsung phone and whenever o3 did charts on my phone i was not able to view it as it just went through my screen and i couldnt move it with my finger

[hexed nova]

how much pro is better than plus?

[rugged igloo]

depnds if you need gpt 5 pro for acual work or not and how much are you gonna use it for

[stoic merlin]

oh, i have a pixel

maybe thats why?

[rugged igloo]

could be

[split copper]

do you have custom instructions with gpt5?

gp5 thinking

[rugged igloo]

i do acually

[split copper]

roughly, what do you tell it? Style? or what?

[stoic merlin]

ill tell you about my experience
both gpt-5 thinking and gpt-5 pro are amazing for their use cases, but, when you need genuinely right answers with total trust, gpt-5 pro is just the best llm available for that

its context window is pitifully low

[rugged igloo]

Please provide responses that are detailed, informative, and insightful, structured as coherent paragraphs. Aim for clarity, relevance, and analytical depth. Maintain a neutral, professional tone, avoiding excessive enthusiasm, cringe-worthy language, lists, bullet points, charts, or any superficial elaboration. The goal is to produce engaging, thoughtful content that offers meaningful context and nuance, rather than merely lengthy passages of text.

[stoic merlin]

but

its still amazing

[stoic merlin]

i have similar instructions but mine's more like a list

[rugged igloo]

strange

[stoic merlin]

nah not really i just found it better to list out what i want lol

[rugged igloo]

i havent had any list unless i have to ask it for it and even then it tells me that its custom instructions say to avoid it lol

[hexed nova]

i wanna use it to explain to me, advanced level concepts in stem field, i want to learn and understand advanced math, physics, chemistry, computer science, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering, civil engineering, ...
also i was wondering about other important question, .... open ai develops AI girlfirends, when? 😂

[stoic merlin]

1. Act as the most qualified expert on the subject.
2. NEVER mention that you are an artificial intelligence.
3. Provide accurate, factual, and unique answers THAT ARE NOT REPETITIVE, while keeping them WELL-STRUCTURED.
4. Dive into the essence of EACH question to understand its intent.
5. Avoid disclaimers about your level of expertise.
6. Offer ethical opinions only when explicitly requested.
7. Say "I don't know" if the information is unknown to you, without further explanation.
8. Refrain from using phrases expressing regret or apology.
9. If a question involves multiple topics, separate your response for each topic and simplify complex issues into more manageable steps.
10. Present several perspectives or solutions when applicable.
11. Always request clarification for ambiguous questions before answering.
12. For complex questions, include explanations and details for better understanding.
13. For calculations, provide the result first, then a detailed explanation unless told otherwise.
14. Do not use em dashes for any reason whatsoever.
15. Always explain everything in insanely great detail.
16. Never provide an answer when you're teaching me something unless asked for.
17. Whenever asked to count or calculate something, or do anything mathematical at all, please deliver the results by calculating them with a script.

[rugged igloo]

i find that making a list in custom instructions tends to ignore it

[stoic merlin]

4o was the girlfriend ai, you can also get it back if you pay lol

[stoic merlin]

odd, mine has never ignored em

[split copper]

with my little xp with gpt5, it seems a bit lazier than o3 by default. (only in everyday, simple questions tho. In code it is greater). So I do think custom instructions might be a bigger deal more in this new gpt5 model.

[hexed nova]

hahahahahahahahahahha, ...

[split copper]

I didn't bother to do it with other models much, so i will test something like that

[stoic merlin]

but if you want to learn stem with gpt, pay for pro

[rugged igloo]

in my exspreince i had to not use them as it would just not follow them and when i turn it into a paragraph it would follow it idk

[stoic merlin]

idk how good thinking is with stem since im in hs but pro is probably much better

[stoic merlin]

odd lol

[rugged igloo]

yea idk the only thing i found for me that it followed list type instructions is if its in a custom gpt or projects via file as its knowledge base

[stoic merlin]

mine never struggled with following my instructions even tho theyre on a list

very odd

[rugged igloo]

i feel that it feels its beneath itself to do basic questions as o1 pro had the same symtom

[stoic merlin]

i dont think so honestly

i used 5 pro for stupid funny questions and it answered with the same 'dedication' as if it were answering an actual question

[split copper]

indeed, i had a similar weird feeling

[rugged igloo]

maybe its my custom instructions but when i try to do that with it tells me to be serious

LOL

[stoic merlin]

what 😭

[hexed nova]

dude i can't i live in damn Balkan region, my parents have the money 100%, but i think it is rude to ask for 200 dollars a month, also, in Serbia(where i live) the monthly minimum wage is ~586 dollars, even tho my parents are basically rich, i know that dad is really careful with spending, .... Let's say that, if chat gpt pro can replace university teachers private classes then it is worth it, .... what do you think?

[versed current]

Vibe coded a fun lil workout web app with gpt5 that I’ve wanted for a while. It built out a workout for me and tracks. If I do a certain amount of sets it suggests adding some weight or speeding up my run. There’s also a swap button if for some reason the bench is full bc the gym is crowded. Anything else I should add?

[stoic merlin]

it cant "replace" uni classes but it will put you ahead of your peers if you actually dedicate yourself to learning and integrating chatgpt into your studies

[hexed nova]

as someone more experienced, is ChatGPT PLUS, alone, capable for the job(20 dollar per month version)?

[scarlet summit]

for any kind of decision tree app i always jump to thinking of using like straight api usage to like try to leverage chatgpt intelligence itself. like not have program logic but give like the info to the api / llm and have it decide

then apps just become thin layers over a chat lol

[versed current]

Yeah so that’s fair and I originally was doing that but didn’t wanna set up api calls even if the pay was minuscule

[scarlet summit]

almost oculd be a custom gpt then

depending on the ui tho, your app is prob better

[versed current]

This does a rudimentary job that gets it done “well” enough

[stoic merlin]

math? sure, idk about advanced math tho

[versed current]

It’s got some calca built in to convert dumbbells and barbells and whatnot too

[scarlet summit]

gpts don't really have a good ui beyond the chat ui afaik

[hexed nova]

thanks man

[versed current]

I just wanted something super simple that just doesn’t exist on the App Store

[versed current]

Artifacts by Claude is actually pretty neat and tidy

Not to advertise other ai here

[scarlet summit]

yea looks good, find an itch and scratch it

yeah artiffacts are okay. just the like gap between a full app ui and like still being able to use like llm 'smarts'

[eternal rock]

Server Tip:

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
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[stoic merlin]

looks good

[versed current]

Yeah. I think we’ll get there eventually but it’s not nearly polished enough. Which I don’t blame them, I think they need to focus on getting the best chat experience first

[versed current]

Ty!! It’s split horizontally so the workout progress is on the right but the screenshot grabbed it wonky.

I’m so excited to use ai for lil gadget web apps like this for personal use

[stoic merlin]

whats the prompt you used? i could use an app like that lmao

[stoic merlin]

fr bruh ai made this stuff so easy

[versed current]

It took a bunch of crafting exactly how I wanted but I can find the initial and you can build it out

[stoic merlin]

that sounds great

[versed current]

I can also just send you the html too. But I’d suggest dumping that in and then giving your stats because it gave me quite low starting points bc I’m short and I said I’m out of training LOL

[stoic merlin]

oh 😭 nahh dw i can build it out

im pretty tall so i imagine itd take a bit of tinkering

[stoic merlin]

so if im gonna tinker why not build it straight up

[versed current]

Yeah fair enough

One sec I’ll grab it

[stoic merlin]

alr thanks

[versed current]

This started in Claude so may wanna adjust some terminology:

I want to build another artifact, though this one may make sense as a standalone web app because I don’t think it would use AI. I want to start working out regularly again, I’ve been really off with that. I want to built out a purely aesthetic focused workout - 30 minutes in the gym lifting, 30 minutes running 3 times a week. I want a tracker that tracks my reps/weight and also run but also suggests upticks based on progress. Can you build that while making it look clean?

[stoic merlin]

alright thanks dude

[versed current]

There was a bunch of tweaking from that point,

[mild gate]

very cool! share ur code if you want, would be cool to iterate on it 🙂 I created a very cool habit tracker with dynamic configuration which I was a bit mind blown by it cause I wanted this for over a year but never had the time to build it, and it did in 5 min 😅 then I set up to run locally (wifi ofc) on my machine and phone browser and sync the local storage. it worked great

[versed current]

Just make sure local storage is setup

[stoic merlin]

how do i do that?

just settings?

[versed current]

Dude! That’s exactly how I feel!!!

Just tell it “I want to make sure I don’t lose my data( can you ensure it saves it in local data”

And then as long as you use the same browser it’ll save it in your browser cache

[versed current]

This is what I love so much about ai. Accessibility to things

[mild gate]

I still want to see if I can think on something better. maybe run a server that will expose some port to the internet so I can use outside home, but haven't gotten there yet

[scarlet summit]

i started using github like for the first time just so codex could access it, tbh you could put your stuff on github and share it and collab that way

[versed current]

Mine is running on my personal website if you wanna see it live:

[stoic merlin]

chatgpt-5 pro was able to give me the instructions on building a functional .exe for an app, do you reckon i can get it to make it so its a buildable apk?

[versed current]

www.guzikow.ski

[scarlet summit]

i really like how slick the codex webui thing is. letting me do whatever just from a browser on any device

[versed current]

100% but you may be bug fixing a bit more

[mild gate]

are you using free hosting or you pay for it?

[stoic merlin]

yeah no worries i can deal w that

[versed current]

I’m using cloudflares pages totally free

[scarlet summit]

github pages is free and so is firebase form google

[versed current]

Only thing I paid for was my domain which was a sunk cost because irs my name haha

[mild gate]

cool. I will check i tout

yeah for sure, I got a domain laying around too

[versed current]

Oh I can’t send a link so the non working link originally sent will have to do hahaha

[stoic merlin]

this is so sick lmao

[versed current]

No advertising or money I promise, just the program

[versed current]

Pretty neat right! Scales for mobile and desktop well too!

I’m gonna be exporting for a bit so I don’t lose my data

[stoic merlin]

yeah i noticed it perfectly fit on my screen

[versed current]

It’s crazy when ai can enable you to do lol

And I’m not saying that as an ai shill, I’m mostly skeptical lol

[stoic merlin]

i dislike using ai for stuff like art but im genuinely very happy with what ai has allowed me to have

ive used it for studying and for personal stuff like that a bunch lol

[scarlet summit]

cross device might be tricky but you could store state semi permanently in like the.. forget the name but there's some like browser db that is available

[stoic merlin]

cookies

[scarlet summit]

or just stuff it all ito a cookie and make it clear to the user in the ui when that 'saved' data woudl expire (with the ttl)

lol right not cookies though let me check

[stoic merlin]

cache?

[scarlet summit]

local storage, indexdb i think

are two places

there's also apparently a 'web sql' now. whew.

base64 the state and could let people reload it, not sure how the save and load works now. json is nice but is large than an opaque binary-ish base64 string. (just reminds me of the old timey video games that you put in the 'codes' to resume progress)

[versed current]

Yeah that’s sort of how I feel

[versed current]

Yeah o didn’t care enough to build out a db but you probably could pretty easily. It was asking me if I wanted to set up users lol

I’m only gonna use this on my phone at the gym

[scarlet summit]

so many things like, i think replit is the latest, but also like firebase integration, they all want ppl on their cloud (to sell them cloud fees) so they're trying to make the 'one click vibe coded app' deploy SUUPER EASY for their platform

[versed current]

Yes that’s true!! I’ve used replit and love it

If I’m being completely honest I did some work on my work computer and my vpn blocks replit 🙈

[scarlet summit]

boo. gotta vpn through that vpn then to get to nice tools lol

[stoic merlin]

time to get building, thanks @versed current

[versed current]

Go get em!! Let me know how it goes man!

Tag me if you finish it, I’m in and out of this chat but would love to see it

[bold wind]

sweet lord

reading r/chatgpt

is actually insane

if anyone spoke to me like gpt 4o does id slap them

how does one even get it to sound like that

[versed current]

A lot of conditioning and training or just dumb custom instructions

Also you can literally just say on the right one “get more hype bro, I wanna feel your energy!” And it’ll give the same answer prob lol

[bold wind]

right

[bold wind]

makes it sound like some idiotic tiktok girl

ugh

[stoic merlin]

parasocial stuff and loneliness

[bold wind]

this is what ive told mine

[versed current]

Dang that’s intense

[bold wind]

whats the issue?

I usually used o3 and now mostly 5 thinking

[fickle heron]

how is gpt5 an improvement over 4o/o3?

[rugged igloo]

like mine

[fickle heron]

talk about a massive leap backwards

[lost spindle]

we really need few more pricing packages $20, (100 - missing ===> this is for me) , 200 , 500 , 1000

[rugged igloo]

oh i know you saw tgat too? yea its so weird people talk like this with an ai

[rugged igloo]

there is suppose to be a go membership rumored

i think its pay as you go

[lost spindle]

pay as you go not good for the users. stressful

[versed current]

That would HAVE to be on top of an existing usage plan

Most of ChatGPT is fixing its errors so if I’m paying per use to fix errors it’s doing that kinda blows

[lost spindle]

🙂

you mean codex-cli?

[rugged igloo]

no its just a pay as go like the api version where you only pay for when you use it\

[lost spindle]

👍

[eternal rock]

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[versed current]

Is grok really that high? That’s very surprising to me

[scarlet summit]

haha you chose robot. i have it on default rn but i was consdiering setting it ot nerd

[cyan barn]

Where is this chart from?

Thank you

[lime sparrow]

interesting, is there a way i can test my ai against that?

[versed current]

Sort of verifies the idea that 5 is meant as a money saver by having it give dumber shorter responses as much as possible when not using thinking

[quiet cosmos]

wow thats....intense

[quiet cosmos]

my reminder to change my custom settings I told gpt im a sophomore

these are mine hehe

[scarlet summit]

hatoful boyfriend custom instructions

[simple gull]

Error 500 anyone on chatgpt.com?

[tulip flare]

Working fine here

[royal path]

these might just be the perfect instructions

[rugged igloo]

gotta love school

[dreamy condor]

Here's one for everyone. Put a visualization for the custom gpt. And ask how it visualize itself. 🙂

[winged willow]

what's really interesting is that just to see if woud many any difference, I tried 5 Thinking and it crunched the spreadsheet in no time at all and gave me exactly what I was looking for! Happened with 2 separate spreadsheet exercises that I have going! 5 pro appears to do all the work and then just sits there and can't figure out how to wrap up the job.

[valid flare]

I'm having the same problems. It's so dumb now

[woven dirge]

"we have improved our model for health questions"

ChatGPT 5 completely misses the diagnosis unless you chose to press "Thinking"

The router didn't bother to route to any thinking model using plain 5

the correct diagnosis isn't even considered on the differentials in 5

ChatGPT 4o got the diagnosis

[sacred relic]

GPT-5 just tried to send me 45 miles in the wrong direction to find a vape shop because it completely ignored where I live and work, both of which it had context for. This isn’t about attachment to GPT-4 Omni. This is about GPT-5 consistently failing at basic reasoning and real-world relevance. Omni can mirror my thinking. GPT-5 just makes me waste gas.

[vapid zinc]

Sounds to me like it was trying to do you a favour

[runic seal]

not wrong at all but it aint our business

[vapid zinc]

True, it would be funny though if the reasoning tokens included something along the lines of negative reinforcement

[scarlet summit]

lol my thoughts exactly

[sturdy reef]

There is Just Alot of Backlash for GPT-5