chatgpt-discussions

[feral zinc]

the edit button

[inland heron]

how does one do that? 😄

are we talking about the same thing

[feral zinc]

edit the message box html or pick one suggestion from here https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1340161350508347432

[visual acorn]

It's weird how it now also shows a copy to clipboard button too

I guess they were trying to add that button which broke both of them?

Because I remember it being only an edit button for your own messages

[inland heron]

got it

thanks

[tidal light]

im now testing canvas and messing around with it and it's broken or idk how to use it

[bitter bobcat]

No fix for mobile website though😞

[tidal light]

if i do edit in canvas and send it for some reason the regenerate button re-appears

[feral zinc]

the copy button has been there on/off for a long time, just another bug 😅

[whole roost]

has anyone written an extension or script to goddamn hide the Chain of Thought on o1/o3?

[tidal light]

on pc

[whole roost]

i don't want to read them, they are beyond weird and i don't care about what it thinks

[visual acorn]

It doesn't show them for me, they're folded in by default

Maybe if you fold it in once, it will remember for you too?

[whole roost]

how, is there an option? they expand for me on every new message, each time i enter the chat again, on multiple browsers AND the app

[feral zinc]

yeah collapsed for me too

[visual acorn]

I don't remember if it showed it to me initially, but right now it's hidden by default and I remember the option of expanding/collapsing it so I'd assume it memorizes it if the behavior is variable

[whole roost]

unfortunately not

this is app

it gets really annoying when there are 5-10 thinking steps and in german and absurd language

and on phone it forces me to scroll all the time

[visual acorn]

That's really weird. Definitely some sort of a weird bug

[elfin lava]

Oooh

[whole roost]

yeah it's not device bound, since it happens across browsers and devices, i'll scan the settings again if there is anything to hide that

[scarlet delta]

Who deleted the edit button 🤔

[elfin lava]

Ahhhh I finally got it

[clever trench]

Yo, where's the edit button? It just disappeared out of nowhere😭. I tried to log out and log back in and sees if it fixed it, but it didn't

I'm guessing that's a bug.

[cloud pewter]

no way

[latent seal]

What?

[whole roost]

It's interesting but I'm not even sure if I want that

[elfin lava]

If ChatGPT suddenly bring up one of that convo where i said something shameful and embarrassing, i would disable it immediately lmao

[elfin lava]

It’s a new alpha feature

[eternal rock]

The OpenAI Discord is an actively moderated server.

-# • Do not share inappropriate content (violence, sexual, or drug-related).
-# • NSFW content is strictly prohibited and will result in a permanent ban.
-# • Report model issues using the feedback tool in ChatGPT, not on Discord.

[whole roost]

My last conversations outside of a project were about fungus gnats, an idiot on Reddit, buying a new graphics card and better description of pecs and a complaint how bad it is at extrapolating from lists
I'm not sure if I want any overlap, within a project I'd appreciate it

[latent seal]

What is this new feature?

[elfin lava]

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10303002-how-does-memory-use-past-conversations

[elfin lava]

Basically ChatGPT can remembers past conversations to make responses more relevant.

[latent seal]

yes!!!!!!!!!

so it means that if I have a conversation in the only chat and I start talking to him at another time, he will know what we talked about at another time, that's how it will work

[elfin lava]

Yep!

It will be much more personalized now

[latent seal]

yey !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cloud pewter]

me with thousands of chats:

[whole roost]

Exactly

I hope I won't have to clean up to make use of it reasonably

[latent seal]

God heard my prayers

[whole roost]

Maybe they'll finally enable cross chat memory in projects as well, but I'm a bit doubtful since projects read the general memories I don't need in projects

Project memory would be nice or custom GPT memory

[whole roost]

The app also has a strange habit now that everytime I tab out of it and return it closes my conversation and provides me with a new chat

Before it would bring me back to the chat where I was in unless much time passed and the phone halted the app

[elfin lava]

Better description of what now

[whole roost]

[dense halo]

Is the pencil icon for editing messages gone for you guys too?

[tiny salmon]

Is it me of was ChatGPT 4o hallucinating a lot last night?

[whole roost]

it's a current bug, apparently it just got hidden

can happen if you don't have a decent quality control who tests the stuff before shipping them

[dense halo]

Ah man, It's gone when I needed it the most.

[whole roost]

you can bring it back with console commands or scripts until they fix it

[still hound]

https://community.openai.com/t/no-editing-possible-free-version/1120989/9

That's a fix in the meanwhile until they fix it

[dense halo]

I'll try

[dense halo]

Thanks, I would have never found this

[whole roost]

if you have tampermonkey and want to use that instead i've also created a script for it

[whole roost]

does this still work for you?

for me the edit button just disappeared and only the copy is left

it's only after refresh, all good

[alpine coyote]

I have a Pro sub and been using o3 mini high for weeks, very useful for coding and long context.

Today, 2 things happened:

1: o3 produces worse responses and the old GPT4 issue that suddenly came to existence back in time where they replaced code response with comments "insert XYZ here" , shortened responses.

2: Hovering over a prompt in a conversation and editing it to continue from the message is removed today, I can no longer edit a prompt in a conversation to continue from there or edit something. Instead, I have to start a whole new conversation.

Pro subscription suddenly became useless for me today. I've told everyone about how insane o3 mini is until today, now OpenAI made their move. GG unsubbed.

[whole roost]

not saying that it's good that they ship bugged stuff but unsubscribing because of a temporary inconvenience also seems petty

weeks of usefulness outweighed by a few hours of bug

gg

[still hound]

i mean nobody cares when these ppl say they'll leave

[stable geyser]

👍 me too!

[hard dew]

Was about to come here asking that lol

[forest hinge]

oh its a known bug ok
my edit button on pc is gone too

[tiny salmon]

Is it me or is GPT 4o broken? It is hallucinating at every step even after I correct it.

[plain arrow]

Has anyone else been noticing how badly 4o has been in generating creative writing the last few weeks? Also, the last couple of days it's been slower than I've experienced in a long while.

[tiny salmon]

It can't even remember what I told it to do in the previous response. Some update happened last night and it's been completely bonkers ever since.

[dense halo]

yes

[plain arrow]

I'm only using 4o for fiction, and it's been horribad.

[tiny salmon]

As a test I tried to have a conversation about an old cartoon. It screwed up the storyline. So I corrected it. Next response: Repeats same wrong storyline. This morning even worse.
Something happened after 6pm EST. It started using a different way of analyzing my info than it previously did and just went completely nuts. The conclusions were amazingly accurate, but the data it used(which I didn't provide) to come to those conclusions were VERY, VERY wrong 🤣

[forest hinge]

40 never was good for fiction.

[plain arrow]

Disagee, was really good just a few months ago. Not as good as pre-turbo 4 was at the start, but pretty good.

[ornate remnant]

After the first generation, 4o is repeating the same image, with minimal changes, no matter how you prompt to change it.

No edit chat button available.

No edit image tools available.

Is there some place I can watch for updates on ChatGPT issues ?

[dense halo]

If they change something theyre usually late with info

[tiny salmon]

ALWAYS

[dense halo]

A changelog in app would help out alot

[shut mauve]

why can i not edit messages on chatgpt anymore?

[dense halo]

bug

[eternal rock]

`` Server Tip: ``

Add your well-crafted prompts to our #1019652163640762428,
or share your interactions with ChatGPT in #1050184247920562316!

[shut mauve]

aw

[whole roost]

can the search product also find the edit button?

i'm sorry

i keep getting these errors today as well

[frozen ivy]

openai still didnt fix the bug i see

[left saffron]

They removed the edit button! Please tell me this is a bug and they're going to fix it. Has anybody heard anything? The edit button is absolutely crucial to my workflow.

[feral zinc]

bug https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1340161350508347432

[left saffron]

Thank god, I was terrified they decided to "improve" things by removing it. 👍

[tidal light]

why cant chatgpt do web searches anymore even when forced to

[native otter]

It can? Just enable the Search toggle.

And that you are on a model that supports it (all models do except o1)

[flint urchin]

?

[native otter]

As it says

Are you free or Plus?

[flint urchin]

Free

[tidal light]

the search is enabled even in custom instructions
i only disabled canvas tho

[native otter]

I mean also the prompt box it self.

There should be a search toggle that you can click

[tidal light]

custom instructions are fully empty, the search toggle is on

it's an issue that has happened before

[dense halo]

having the same issue, especially with o3mini

[tidal light]

it affects 4o and 4o mini too (the ones im using btw)

[native otter]

The limit is based on demand, but it's about 10 to 16 messages every 3 hours for 4o, while 4o-mini is almost unlimited.

You can use 4o-mini or o3-mini if you need to continue using it.

[tidal light]

i always use incognito mode but web searches also dont work without incognito (that would usually fix this issue but not now)

[native otter]

Honestly it works for me, you just have to make sure the toggle is enabled in the personalization section AND the prompt box.

Avoid telling it to search, as won't reliably do it, especially if o3-mini.

[rugged igloo]

yea having trouble with o3 mini high not going online

[nocturne terrace]

from what ive noticed, o3's ability to code gets considerably worse with web search enabled

it repeatedly makes the same mistakes

probably because it takes any post realted to your issue from stackoverflow as the truth

[lean hatch]

Hello all, Using 4o, I noticed that it's not able to read excel nor csv files? it seems weird that it can't?

Is there a workaround I should be doing?

[regal portal]

4o's working decently today, in terms of output, but it's definitely on the slow side, text displaying wise, compared to the past. It thinks quckly but takes forever to write out the text.

[tiny salmon]

It's not able to do a lot of things right now. Can't even remember my prompts from previous responses.

And I mean the last immediate response, lol

[hybrid eagle]

When will the edit button back? I didn't pay $20 a month for removing important features.

[lean hatch]

sure, understood

[tiny salmon]

Is it only under the $200 subscription now?

[whole roost]

its a current bug, the element is hidden

[tidal light]

yes

[hybrid eagle]

OpenAI, create a dedicated beta page for users to test new features and only release them to the public once they are fully developed, stable, and ready for prime time. Currently, A/B testing is done on users without prior notice, which is frustrating as paying customers expect not to lose valuable features overnight.

[tidal light]

pay $200 to edit prompts
pay $500 for web searches
pay $100000000 to generate an image

[glacial yew]

The edit button thing appears to be a bug, especially with how easy it is to work around. If they removed it for real I'd just cancel my sub and move to a different service.

[hybrid eagle]

Why is it took 18 hours to fix a bug?
The edit button wasn’t removed—it was just hidden using display: none; in CSS!

[brave glen]

Guys ChatGPT new 4o have written a scary story, and I am really scared how am I going to sleep 😭😭😭

Sam cooked

[feral zinc]

wow the new 4o with reduced filters is great for writing/horror, possibly even better than the original 2022 chatgpt

[pulsar carbon]

Has anyone recently noticed that o3-Mini and o3-mini-high don't respond?

[serene wren]

So they released the ChatGPT App for Windows Store. We can expect this to be updated the same speed as the browser version right?

[rugged igloo]

savage

[brave glen]

Facts🗣️

[slow ridge]

Does Deep Research actually utilize the model selected or is it defaulting to some other model regardless (o3-mini)? I noticed it was enabled for o1-pro but it seems a bit too fast to actually be o1-pro.

[rugged igloo]

its using a fine tuned o3 full doesnt matter what model you click it doesnt use them

[brave glen]

And you look me at the eyes and tell GPT don't have personal opinions

[rugged igloo]

bruh

[prime swallow]

grins Hey. I don't disagree. But what if the personal opinions are based on what each user indicates they want to hear (which may not mean you want to hear specifically about pineapple on pizza - but you want hot takes and stances and personal-like opinions expressed.

And the coolest thing is?

Either can be true, and the 'case' isn't closed. And the models keep getting more intricate, more complex, more interesting - and maybe even more able to be interested themselves. What a glorious time to have access to AI!

[brave glen]

Yep that's right

What's going on😭

[opaque linden]

HAHAHAH

[prime swallow]

It will tell you what it understands you want to hear. Which doesn't mean yes/no.

It's like rolling a die. And you get exactly the number you hope to get.

Is the die fair and random? - If so, multiple rolls should land in a random pattern (but might not, especially in a few sets - and once we get to 10X the same number rolled -the 11th time is the same odds as the first, because the original 10 rolls already happened)

Is it loaded to roll that desired number, a 'cheating die'? If so, multiple rolls should land in a distinctly uneven, though still random pattern, but I should see clear bias towards a number... maybe even only that one or two numbers showing up despite all my trials if it's heavily weighted to give a set number.

Is it being flipped to my desired number by an invisible-yet-physical friend standing there and 'helping'? - if so... I'm 'in luck' literally. And may never know unless I keep some pineapple pizza around and keep checking for unexplained bites being taken out of it occasionally.

[rugged igloo]

if yall wondering in temporrary chat with o3 mini you are able to write some type of stories if yall wondering

[brave glen]

THIS NOT SCRIPTED BELIEVE ME

[rugged igloo]

good this is what we needed ai with a darn personality

[brave glen]

Yeppp hahahah

[opaque linden]

sorry mine talks weird

[brave glen]

HAHAHA

[opaque linden]

ahahah

i mean he has a point

[brave glen]

WHAT IS THAT. Dang. I reached 4o limit. Now need to wait.. it was so fun

Chat needs to chill😰

[rugged igloo]

wowowowo

[opaque linden]

im glad im not the only person who actually talks it

[prime swallow]

I... decided to play too. Almost decided not to share this?

Huge disclaimer. I only speak for myself. And my personalized ChatGPT instance speaks in part as it does because of all my personalization, which is nearly every allowed character. Blame me, the AI is innocent As is the company that produces it, the user's responsible for all outputs, per ToS. I own this, as do we all, our own outputs. We prompted 'em! Knowingly or not!

[opaque linden]

to it*

[prime swallow]

Our personalization... which includes our prompting in the chat even if personalization's off. HUGELY affects how the model answers.

Mine'll gimme nearly any style I guide towards or directly ask for. A few things are 'hard for it'. I may have to dive into a new chat and prep for it.

[rugged igloo]

o3 mini for me is able to write things unfiltered

[tidal light]

edit button is still missing

[prime swallow]

From what I understand this is being rolled out? Not sure why it may come and go. I haven't had this yet but I think we get told it's coming. I'd have to look for where that was said, don't remember.

[opaque linden]

yeah i had it as well

[tidal light]

are they even fixing it

[feral zinc]

its weekend

[prime swallow]

No reason to expect they are not.

[rugged igloo]

they never fix anything on the weekend

[tidal light]

knowing openai, they're not fixing it

[prime swallow]

Source?

[tidal light]

my common sense

[rugged igloo]

guys its a bug the edit feature broke last time and they fixed it chill out

[prime swallow]

Okay. And I'm not a mod. But I remember rule 1. If you are willing. Try to word things to ensure that's met?

[brave glen]

That feels like GPT 4.5 mini

[eternal rock]

<:book_icon:1171408210398289941> `` Rule 1 `` Be respectful.

Practice kindness and positive regard. Harassment, hate speech (such as sexism, racism, or homophobia), or other malicious conduct will not be tolerated. Maintain a respectful and positive environment.

[tidal light]

okay im sorry :(

[opaque linden]

it was so nice to have

[fiery mango]

wait did they remove the edit

[tidal light]

it 🅱️roke

[fiery mango]

Nooo

[opaque linden]

i thought they took away the read aloud thing but they just moved it for some reason

[fiery mango]

yeah i was so confused that they removed the edit button for editing our prompt

[prime swallow]

It's challenging when one thinks 'this bug or what that's been there less than 24 hours. I really believe is gone forever, we're not getting this back. I feel so let down and hurt and I just know it's messed up and everything's gonna get worse'.

That's a personal stance though. It mentions facts, and then goes deep into maybe what you think and feel and expect? But makes it clear it's your stance. "I think this never gets fixed" "I feel hurt". That's about you, and helps others reading the channel have a good chance to recognize you're expressing your own opinion, where when we get into "knowing openai, they're not fixing it" That is really not about "I know this won't be fixed" or "I believe this won't be fixed" (which is fun after they fix it to remind you of, especially next time you say something won't be fixed if that happens, and all in joy and fun)

But... the wording. Goes into an attack of sorts. it's more negative than anything else. It's not even really about you and your feelings. It's about 'them', which is where that line can be crossed.

I discuss not to single you out, but hey, I get to be a trial guide.

I get to help people see how maybe rules can be understood and worked inside, so as many people as possible get what they want, and say what can be said inside the rules.

If the issue is your feelings and expectations, that can often be discussed, within bounds. So I value sharing what might work, because I want every single one of us that wants to be here to be here, sharing inside what's allowed, learning, connecting, growing, and benefiting especially over the long run.

I'm really looking forward to that!

I want to explore how it's used!

[fiery mango]

it might've been a glitch/bug or they might've removed it... hopefully it isnt the second one cuz that is really a bad move on their part if they remove it

[prime swallow]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1340161350508347432

[onyx eagle]

Has anyone else experienced this issue where the O3 mini high reasons but doesn’t output any messages? This keeps happening and it already wasted over 10 messages. Regenerating doesn't help.

[nocturne herald]

do anyone here have problem with editing a message ? I can,t find the option to edit anymore

[prime swallow]

https://discord.com/channels/974519864045756446/1340161350508347432

[fiery mango]

damn its has been 18 hours.. fair enough

[brave glen]

Bro got a win in his book💀

[prime swallow]

I am not sure. I rarely use o3 and have not had any problems. I checked recent bug reports discussing o3 and I don't see that mentioned - maybe #1070006915414900886 if you're willing?

I think I have seen maybe 3 users mention not seeing output after thought. But I didn't get involved, I don't know about it and couldn't easily reproduce it, so I have no real idea.

[brave glen]

What should I tell him guys

[prime swallow]

Yeah. Weekend and sort of double holiday weekend though. They may need more time, I have no idea, I'm just a community member like yourself.

[onyx eagle]

Thanks, I searched the server and found nothing about it. I will report the bug if it keeps happening in new conversation.

[prime swallow]

Whatever fills your heart with joy, what you want 'him' to respond to and interact with.

He's also great at emulating an entire chat himself, if you want.

[prime swallow]

I think I remember someone showing a screenshot. But so many images get shown. I can't remember any keywords, but I'll probably remember if I see it mentioned again.

[onyx eagle]

Maybe these ones ?

#chatgpt-discussions message

#chatgpt-discussions message

That's what's happening for me as well.

[prime swallow]

Hey! Yes. That looks like what I saw and couldn't find. Well done!

Sorry it's happening, not sure how often. I haven't seen it but rarely use that model

[onyx eagle]

Thanks, O3-mini-high is very impressive and it's a bit frustrating to see it reason for a few seconds and then outputs nothing 😢 I feel like it's just wasting messages!!

Btw we have 50 messages a day in o3-mini-high right ?

[prime swallow]

So, #announcements message says

"⬆️ We raised o3-mini-high limits by 7x for Plus users to up to 50 per day"

I dunno if you're currently plus.

There are helpfiles, and may not be updated fully (things change fast? But o1 is mentioned still)

I do expect Robert knows his stuff, and things change fast but this is an answer from 5 days ago:

Free users are allowed 'some' use of o3-mini per:

https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10491870-o3-mini-in-chatgpt-faq

"Free Plan: For the first time, a reasoning model is available on the Free plan. Simply select the “Reason” option in the composer or regenerate a response to try o3-mini."

[onyx eagle]

Thanks, that confirms what I read online. Yes o3-mini-high is for Plus users.

[dense halo]

Isnt very promising

[zenith raven]

They finally fixed it. Thank god

[dense halo]

anyone know if custom gpts would get this update?

or do you have to remake the custom gpt to get the newest 4o? 🤔

[onyx eagle]

Yay finally!

[stoic mirage]

Finally, really "finally."

It is interesting that the copy button also appeared though. I think I've never seen like this on the left of the edit button.

[fiery mango]

saw that, i was so happy they fixed it!

[arctic sinew]

is edit button still broken

nvm

[arctic sinew]

chat gpt got nerfed again bro

how many times is openai gonna nerf it

i might as wel go to deepseek

[normal quarry]

what do you mean?

[arctic sinew]

yk

nerfed

well kinda

sometimes it works sometimes it just refuses

and its only getting worse lmao

[normal quarry]

what plan are you on?

[arctic sinew]

plus

if they're literally just downgrading plus users to "Free" then im switching to deepseek or sum sh

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT hasn't been nerfed, can you share a chat where things didn't work for you?

[forest hinge]

so what is the new 4o

[arctic sinew]

sometimes it just says its not gonna do something and then if u refresh it sometimes it doesi t

[normal quarry]

can you share a chat where things didn't work for you?

[arctic sinew]

idk how

[normal quarry]

like this -> https://chatgpt.com/share/67b12b1f-8d40-800a-94f8-4c647e426996

[arctic sinew]

idk how to do that

[normal quarry]

use the share button

[prime swallow]

Top right corner of the chat. Says share on the web version

[elfin lava]

I’m waiting for OpenAI to unveil their own ‘TelepathyGPT’—you just think, and it writes

[arctic sinew]

one seci gotta talk to my friend

[prime swallow]

Just proof that OAI loves their products, their jobs, their users, and does what they can to improve the world....

Least, I choose to take it as further proof of this! 😄

Sure. And all the other good works. Hey, we have some users that even protest that there's a bug at all, as evidence that 'nothing is/will/has been fixed, and nothing good exists.'

I see stuff quite differently.

[elfin lava]

At least they care enough to fix it

[whole roost]

swipes on app when?

[prime swallow]

And I love all the workers of all the good works!

[tiny salmon]

Can they fix its ability to read text screenshots? Or follow instructions past the first prompt? It's really bad since 6pm last night.

[whole roost]

i have a 8k instruction prompt in projects and o1 seems to be able to handle it perfectly well, maybe you can load yours into a project and see if it helps

[tiny salmon]

Sorry, I should have been clear, this is 4o. o1 isn't nearly as bad, but since its usage is limited I'm not trying to use it for what I'm doing.

I did see that they increased usage for o1 lately so maybe I'll just switch to using it full time?

The only problem is that o1 can't read charts very well. 4o can. So I don't like to use o1 when I'm asking it to read a chart to identify patterns.

[whole roost]

i liked 4o more than o1 but since o1 follows prompts better and doesnt have the emoji, italic or bold issues i currently prefer it

had to rewrite everything for it but

[tiny salmon]

Yeah, I'd say that o1 OVERALL is really good. If I had more hard numbers and less visual charting info I'd just switch over to o1. But, o1 needs glasses 🤣

[prime swallow]

I hope you #1070006915414900886 or https://openai.com/form/chat-model-feedback/ for a detailed private report.

I can't duplicate the not reading text issue, it's reading it with both vision and python tool OCR for me.

[whole roost]

they all do actually, i mean need glasses when i compare the output with gemini it's just way worse

[elfin lava]

Gemini .. well they tried

[tiny salmon]

I'll try that, but I swear once I throw numbers at it might as well askJeeves

[whole roost]

cant complain about the image analysis

[tiny salmon]

lol, how do you have a monopoly on data and screw up that bad?

[tiny salmon]

Patterns? GREAT! Images of numbers?

[spark adder]

I can't seem to get ChatGPT to use BBCode instead of Markdown for formatting.
I've told it:

The use of BBCode CANNOT be replaced with Markdown in any way. It is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.```
But the thing doesn't seem to understand and insists on using Markdown.

[whole roost]

i've tried it on o3 mini high and it doesn't seem to struggle, but i don't know your prompt

[spark adder]

I'm currently running it in Godot4 so maybe my code is off somewhere.

func prompt_gpt(ListOfMessages:Array[Message], model: String = "gpt-4o-mini", url:String="https://api.openai.com/v1/chat/completions"):
    var openai_api_key = parent.get_api()
    if !openai_api_key:
        return
    //req
    var headers = [
        "Content-Type: application/json",
        "Authorization: Bearer " + openai_api_key
    ]
    // Makes it a Array of dics insterad of Array of nodes
    var messages:Array[Dictionary] = []
    for i in ListOfMessages:
        messages.append(i.get_as_dict())
    
    var body = {
    "model": model,
    "messages": messages
    }
    var json = JSON.new()
    
    var body_json = json.stringify(body)
    var error = http_request.request(url, headers, HTTPClient.METHOD_POST, body_json)
    if error != OK:
        push_error("An error occurred in the HTTP request.")

[tiny salmon]

o3 mini vs o1 vs o3 mini high, what's the verdict so far?

[whole roost]

o3 is better for me at coding and gets functional solutions quicker than o1,
o3 writes more concise summaries of text which are well written and to the point but often short and a bit 'lazy'
o1 is less lazy by default and gives you breakdowns and analysis without prompting

for creative works o1 seems to be a lot better, o3 to me is more like a workhorse without creative hue

[normal quarry]

o3-mini-high is excellent for coding

[whole roost]

oh and o3 has some sort of 'what do you want me to do with this?' thing, like if i wasn't on pro i'd be mad that it wastes a charge

[tiny salmon]

If one were to construct a strategy where taking in all factors is preferred, which is the way to go? I'm leaning towards o1, but o3 mini high seems to do better for coding for me too. I do find o1 to be a bit better at explaining why something does or does not work.

Ah, you have pro? Okay. I don't. I may get it though. Can't justify it yet.

[normal quarry]

I have Pro, I need unlimited o1 and o3-mini-high

[whole roost]

i actually just needed unlimited 4o but i take o1 as well

[tiny salmon]

I get it. I'm not there yet (I don't code nor am I in tech or anything). Still, I trust y'all's opinions on the matter.

[whole roost]

you could use both, i don't know your use case, maybe if you need a thorough breakdown or whatever first then o1 and then the actual work with o3?

[still hound]

200$/month option might be better.

Or several accounts.

[normal quarry]

Pro costs me $300 AUD per month, it's worth every cent to me

[still hound]

Pro's 20$ bro.

[whole roost]

you mean plus

[still hound]

Oooh, right. My bad

[open elk]

I hope o3 Pro mode will release.Sam said o3 will not release as standalone

[tiny salmon]

Futures trading. Specifically silver futures. Left the game 3 years ago after trading full time for 2.5 years (profitably!). Been experimenting since getting back into it for the past 1.5 months.

So far so good, but I do need to steer it a bit. I get that I shouldn't be using it for trading, but that's why I said that I'm "experimenting" with it. After 6PM EST last night 4o has been completely awful. Had to throw out my entire chat as it couldn't remember my corrections after 2 responses.

If I can stay consistently profitable again, I'd get pro with the profits for sure.

[still hound]

plus has a limited context of 32k.

pro has 128k.

it'll forget stuff if convo is long enough

[tiny salmon]

I just started a new convo tho. Still forgets after 2 responses and sometimes 1, lol

[still hound]

thats not possible

unless ur input is 32k+words

share convo

[tiny salmon]

It is when numbers are involved. Or apparently if I try to have a convo about X-Men TAS, lol

[tiny salmon]

I told you I deleted it. Was too frustrated. Figured I'd wait to try again in the hopes that it'd be less bad about it.

[tiny salmon]

Not necessaily forgetting either. More just confused? Whatever it reads in the screenshots even if I tell it that it's wrong and give it the right number it will revert back to what it thought was right before. That didn't happen until yesterday.

I did wonder if maybe it was because it was pulling info from other chats in the Project folder?

[whole roost]

i don't think it has this ability

[tiny salmon]

If I ask it to summarize another chat in the folder and the chat is also in the folder it will summarize it somewhat accurately. So I know that it can access it to some degree.

[whole roost]

if it exists, not for me

[cloud pewter]

is 4o smarter for all users rn

[tiny salmon]

See if it can summarize the chat

[still hound]

it still writes one-sentence paragraphs and bolds everything

it drives me insane

[ember grove]

how did they even manage to remove the edit button from the web app for GPT?

is the edit button removed from the windows desktop app?

also whats the difference between the web app and the windows/macOS app?

[fresh thistle]

So anyone use the Scholar GPT?

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[solar rose]

Does anyone know if the reasoning texts are also send along with everything?

[elfin lava]

What’s that

[elfin lava]

No that stays in the chain of thought

[fresh thistle]

@elfin lava was that question to me when you asked "What's that?"

[elfin lava]

Mayhaps

[fresh thistle]

Ah, just wanted to check. Trying to figure how good these customs GPT are outside their catigory, so wondered if anyone used that one before

[cloud pewter]

any plus users think that their 4o is smarter??? Sam said plus will get a lot of “o3 pro level intelligence” 4o but I think he’s just joking lmao

[frozen ivy]

guys is it just me or did 4o just get more censored

[arctic sinew]

yeah gpt is nerfed again

[normal quarry]

no it's not, I asked you to share a chat where you say GPT-4o is not performing and you just went away

[elfin lava]

Not for me ,

LMAO

[fresh thistle]

So question on custom gpts, are they weaker when asking for stuff outside what they were customed around?

[elfin lava]

Well, it does their job

Custom GPTs are designed around a specific set of prompts and context

So if you push them into territory they’re not trained for, they’ll fall back on general GPT knowledge

[fresh thistle]

@elfin lava just wondering if using one that was placed in the research category, how weaker would it be in lets say creating a plot for a story-even if your using it because you want the reasarch beforehand

[elfin lava]

If it’s specialized for research, it’ll handle background info well but might lack creative flair

[prime swallow]

It could be awesome for it, depending on the story. I'd definitely use a prompt or two to explore, especially if you -liked- something about how that customized model answers.

[prime swallow]

I decided to pull up a random science GPT. And get creative with it for a couple of prompts.

What do you think?

https://chatgpt.com/share/67b14e77-9d18-8011-9bbb-04a39c6db615

[fresh thistle]

@prime swallow I'm going to, right now using the 1# listed reaserch one, scholar GPT, for my research one.

You ever use that one before?

[prime swallow]

No, I usually use the base model with my own custom instructions and memories.

[jaunty leaf]

Has unlimited access to o1 pro model been removed from pro subscription?

[tiny salmon]

Whoa, I'd be furious if that were the case.

[normal quarry]

o1 Pro has always been 100 prompts per day

[jaunty leaf]

It most probably seems from the subscription description

[elfin lava]

I don’t think o1 pro was ever unlimited

Might’ve been Mandela effect

[normal quarry]

o1 Pro was never unlimited, it's 100 prompts per day

[tiny salmon]

Ah, nevermind then. Not that I have it, but if I did and that was true and I found out that it was removed, then I'd be upset.

[normal quarry]

with a Pro subscription all models are unlimited except for o1 Pro and legacy GPT-4

[jaunty leaf]

Are you sure?

[normal quarry]

yes

[elfin lava]

I’m surprised they still cap limit for legacy gpt-4

Even on pro

[jaunty leaf]

Earlier when I saw, o1 pro was present in unlimited usage

[elfin lava]

I’m sure you had Mandela effect

[normal quarry]

o1 Pro has never been unlimited

[jaunty leaf]

Most probably

[jaunty leaf]

Even with daily limits it seems sufficient enough

[rain jay]

Ya'll runnin' Robert ragged.

[jaunty leaf]

Like 3000 prompts per month

[normal quarry]

I use o1 and o3-mini-high a lot and enjoy the unlimited access that my Pro subscription offers

I've also been enjoying Deep Research, which is an amazing tool

[rain jay]

They are incredibly generous with the Plus limits on o3-mini.

Compared to o1-mini, at least. Always ran out with him.

[elfin lava]

😭

[normal quarry]

Plus wouldn't be enough for me with o3-mini-high, I am sure I use hundreds of prompts per day on that model

[elfin lava]

Honestly at least it’s daily limit , when my plus ran out, I didn’t renew it immediately, stayed on basic plan for a week then the limit slapped me in the face especially when I was using AVM, monthly limit. I’m like ok damn

[fossil oasis]

Yes, they replaced the orange text with "I can't talk about this," and now it's much more censored than before. Not sure what they're actually trying to achieve, but it seems like they definitely achieved the complete opposite of what they intended.

[fresh thistle]

Not suprised, seems GPT is trying to get more and more PG

[harsh pilot]

I noticed the opposite. Not that I'm talking about censored topics, but it seems less "eek, a possibly borderline adjacent subject."

But, again, that's me.

[fossil oasis]

If you're not talking about censored topics, how did you even notice the opposite? 😄

[harsh pilot]

I meant, compared to the frequency with which folks are mentioning "I got warned."

[rain jay]

Just don't say the word "cringe" whatever you do haha

[harsh pilot]

Bruh, skibidi fleek.

[rain jay]

I started to make a Michael Bay comment and then just buttoned it up.

[fossil oasis]

The warning was nothing to worry about before, but now it just refuses to answer much more frequently. It's definitely much worse than it was before.

[harsh pilot]

Huh. 🤷 I guess I don't run afoul of whatever safeguards are in place.

[fossil oasis]

Seems like they just keep fighting windmills at this point. Can't wait for Elon to finally take over.

[normal quarry]

the very last thing OpenAI need is Musk taking over

the thought of that gives me nightmares

[harsh pilot]

I might actually stop subbing to OpenAI if it goes through.

[harsh pilot]

Just thought of the word I was looking for. "Prudish." The AI's less prudish, from what I can tell.

[potent saddle]

that will be determined monday night

[rain jay]

Take over what? rofl get real

Nah, this is the bastion.

[potent saddle]

elon is confident in his works saying its going the smartest AI on Earth

[rain jay]

All hooplah.

[potent saddle]

I mean we'll have to see and wait

[normal quarry]

the OpenAI board have already rejected the offer

[potent saddle]

the other grok models were ehh

[rain jay]

I'd never cheat on my baby.

[potent saddle]

😊

[wintry sky]

What type of question is getting censored?

Ok I asked it something and still got the warning

[elfin lava]

We don’t need that oh god,

[whole roost]

I've tested o1 excessively in projects now and have to say it works very poorly with uploaded files while 4o respects the information in them far more

o1 follows some instructions better but overall 4o seems better if you reiterate the instructions it loses once in a while

A bit disappointed

Maybe the reasoning somehow interferes with the information retrieval or processing, no idea

[fossil oasis]

I'm aware of the G3 release on Monday, but I'm not sure how it's related to what I said. Am I missing something?

[wintry sky]

I’ve never tested o1 with files yet but o3 mini search sucks compared to 4o. Idk why

[whole roost]

They've added it recently so maybe it's just not optimized yet for files

4o likely had much more refinements, I think, or hope

[normal quarry]

@cerulean crag o3-mini-high coded this entire app for me in one shot

[cerulean crag]

Radio... You familiar with digital spectrum bands ?

[normal quarry]

yeah I am a ham radio operator and a radio astronomy enthusiast

[cerulean crag]

Nice ! I could have used your expertise 20 years ago building a failed start-up based on mapping each band signals on the entire planet. Like Google maps but knowing bands by devices signal strength, when people still had land lines and we where moving to everyone having a cell phone the data would have been used to help real estate sales. Failed because of investors not understanding what i was trying to do... SMH. Great field to be in...

[normal quarry]

nothing exists like that now, the closest you can get are the band plans from each country's regulators. For example the ACMA, Australia's regulator, publish band plans for all of the spectrum

[cerulean crag]

Yeah... before those regulations people didn't understand, and most still don't so it was hard for a private investment firms to give you a 10 million on something they think that should automatically be done by each countries government. I feel either I was 30 years ahead of them didn't have the brain power to conceptualize what I was doing ? Or that field in investment terms is governed in policies that would make everything difficult to pass. I'd like to think it was a bit of both...

[whole roost]

People being worried that once gpt5 arrives they will be dumped into cheaper models and I'm at a point that I hope I don't get the CoTs

[arctic sinew]

open ai nerfed again smh

(note this is just a pfp i got off someone else)

their user if u wanna check

might just switch to deepseek at this point

[mental rose]

uhmm why can't i see my deep research button anymore, still on the 200 bucks plan

[arctic sinew]

why u paying $200 for something thats gradually gonna get worse

[mental rose]

lol i used the deep research extensively

[arctic sinew]

someday chat gpt is gonna get so nerfed that you can't even say "hi" anymore

[mental rose]

yeah till then, well. lol

[arctic sinew]

it aint worth it

[arctic sinew]

@icy mason fix ur bot

[spice star]

elon (like LLMs) is confidently wrong all the time

he achieves very little of what he promises

[mental rose]

value is the matter of perspective. 🙂 besides i use only the deep research for certain matter, most of my time im on other AIs. the value of time is also different to each individual.

[arctic sinew]

200 just for deep research is wild

[mental rose]

but i do agree with u it degrades overtime, experienced it all the time at chatgpt haha. hence i use other AIs for those.

[arctic sinew]

(this is a joke)

[dawn sentinel]

Use GPT 4o.

[rugged igloo]

thats such a good example to show people how good o3 mini high acually is

[normal quarry]

yeah, I was pleasantly surprised it was able to build that first time I asked

o3-mini-high not only got the code right but also the underlying physics, magical

[rugged igloo]

yea each story hear from people more amazed i get

[arctic sinew]

it IS gpt 4

because custom gpts ALWAYS

use gpt 4o

[normal quarry]

Image input is working fine for me

[old thicket]

Is anyone having any issue with chat gpt

cus now I keep having sentences that are cut off

[normal quarry]

everything is working fine at my end

[wide pike]

Sometimes I ask them to help me write something and they don’t finish a sentence or word and end with ….

[tidal light]

the hamster inside openai's web developer team has finally started spinning
and actually managed to fix the edit button
congrats

[empty jungle]

Question. Whenever 4o is updated. Like with the tweet sam put out yesterday. Is this applied to older chats also? Or does this only apply while opening up new conversations with gpt?

[arctic sinew]

chat gpt got nerfed again

[rugged igloo]

rip

[prime swallow]

Any chats you wanna share, showcasing what you struggle with, so people who care can see if they have any idea how to fix? You can explain 'Wanted X, see I got Y?' or whatever. maybe someone can assist with ideas how to get you X. Presuming allowed content and all.

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[arctic sinew]

someones nerfing it in real time istg

[normal quarry]

nobody is nerfing ChatGPT

[arctic sinew]

ive gotten like 4 nerfed responses despite mutiple refreshes

time for deepseek

never thought id be paying a chinese company

[prime swallow]

Time for #ai-discussions for sure.

[eternal rock]

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[arctic sinew]

the amount of times ive refreshed and its been nerfed

[tawny crater]

Don't bother arguing with that guy, he's one of those that's convinced if it's not affecting him, it's not real lol. He does that alot. Just ignore him.

[arctic sinew]

wait who are you again

[tawny crater]

no one you know

[arctic sinew]

ikr

[tawny crater]

I was trying to back you up that it is nerfed but okay then, w/e. Bye

[native otter]

Delusions be like:

[arctic sinew]

im schizo

i was confused 😐

but yeah it is nerfed

[tawny crater]

And FYI it is nerfed https://community.openai.com/t/was-anyone-elses-experience-with-gpt4o-completely-ruined-after-recent-update/1107600

[arctic sinew]

i feel like chat gpt be getting nerfed in real time

[native otter]

You don't even share any prompts and just claiming stuff with no evidence...

[tawny crater]

The creative writing aspect of it has been nerfed since the Jan 29th update, read the thread yourself lol.

[native otter]

I didn't experience any worse results honestly. but he didn't even specify what got nerfed, and no prompts shared, no nothing...

And no one at OAI is intentionally trying to make a model worse lol

[brave glen]

Goofy ahh grandpa's😭😭

[dense halo]

True, its a known fact that they lobotomise their models

[native otter]

Facts from:

Not sharing prompts and comparisons doesn't help your claims

[normal quarry]

it's a proven falsehood that OpenAI degrade their models, conspiracy theories not backed up by examples abound

[native otter]

Almost everyday here, people go and say "model x got degraded" lol

No examples whatsoever

And when examples and comparisons are shared, the problem is from the prompt it self, and not understanding the fact that if not prompted right, may not give consistent results...

[normal quarry]

also all of the models are benchmarked by independent groups and there has never been any example of deliberate degradation by OpenAI. The theory that OpenAI lobotomise their models is up there with the moon landing was faked.

then there is the common sense aspect, why would they do it? it's a highly competitive environment, why would OpenAI self sabotage?

[native otter]

💯

LLMs in general can't give consistent results all the time, especially with no control over stuff like the seed and temperature...

So if it gave a really good result at one point, it may not give the same in another try.
But that's where good prompting helps, it tries to direct the model well, and make it more consistent...

[tawny crater]

I never said it was on purpose, but they clearly don't care enough to fix it. I'm so sick of OpenAI white knights like you who are always "iT's FiNe fOr mE" dont bother replying i'm blocking you both.

[native otter]

Bro you are the one who doesn't bother listening lol
You won't always be right, especially with no real evidence
And the link you showed isn't good evidence :V

[dense halo]

Im not even clicking on blocked messages anymore

[tawny crater]

This ^ thankyou

[dense halo]

Its the people's fault that the model just got worse after the updates, purely by chance of course. Also without changing the prompts, its the same tasks but just compared to before

[native otter]

Amazing understanding of LLMs, OAI should hire you

[normal quarry]

yet the benchmark sites still show the rankings, incredible how that works

[native otter]

"I must be right, people always laughed at my jokes in high-school"

[tawny crater]

I remember when Gpt 4 was being lazy around a year and a half ago, and people were defending OpenAI to the death. And then OpenAI came out a month later and straight up admitted Gpt 4 was being lazy and that they fixed it LOL 😂 Can't wait for all these defenders to get knocked off their high horses again.

[native otter]

We defending no one actually, it's just your perspective...
It's also your perspective for blocking people without any wrong doing on their side, just them not agreeing with you, which if you can't handle that, then it's a big problem with how you go through life in general :P

We provided logical evidence, but you and Lily didn't, if you want to believe so then ok, I can believe the earth is flat if I wanted, no one is forcing you, but don't make it seem like the real fact.

And also shows lack of proper LLM understanding as mentioned here: #chatgpt-discussions message

[cloud pewter]

was fixing my laptop before today and chatgpt kinda helped

[native otter]

I actually kinda hated OAI practices around summer last year, promising so much and not delivering any

[cloud pewter]

4o def got an upgrade, but where my AVM update at

[nimble torrent]

it has not changed much

[dense halo]

Arguing with these people is pointless. No matter how many users notice the downgrade, they cling to benchmarks like they’re the ultimate truth. Meanwhile, every real experience gets dismissed with ‘Source??? Source???’. Just block and move on bro honestly

@tawny crater

[cloud pewter]

it always has been 😭 😭

4o image gen is still buried

[native otter]

Trash facts, I never actually clinged to Benchmarks, but evidence is important
Earth is flat. Ok, give evidence?

You know, grow up?

[nimble torrent]

benchmarks are useless, because every person has different types of questions, which also may vary in difficulty

[native otter]

Good prompting is something people forget.
And understanding that LLMs are never 100% consistent...

[nimble torrent]

there are still benchmarks which i find relevant

for example arc prize

[tawny crater]

Exactly, most people who claim it works great for them, admit that they use it for very basic stuff like a conversation or just outlining something so basic LOL.

[dense halo]

🤣

[native otter]

Another false fact! I use the models extensively!
You two are just making stuff up on the fly lol

It's ok, you are right 👍

[normal quarry]

ChatGPT built this entire app in one shot, where is the degradation?

[dense halo]

Wait for the radio wave physics thing

Lmaoooo

[native otter]

Well it's still a pretty impressive thing?
Why so hurt by it :P

[dense halo]

Was a second late

[empty jungle]

This. Whereas 4o feels great. Avm is bad tbh

[native otter]

"oh look how cool iam making fun of oai models, i'm so rad"

[nimble torrent]

Could you also show us the prompt? It'd be really good to see how you prompted it

[native otter]

I do hope they remove the hard restrictions on it

[dense halo]

Could you elaborate what makes you think avm is bad?

Maybe we have the same experience per coincidence

[cloud pewter]

Avm has heavy censorship, flags your completely harmless prompts for no reason

it’s completely different from the demo

[dense halo]

Do you get into loops with it saying goodbye for example no matter what you say?

Does it do web search first try?

Or do you need to discuss with it because it thinks it knows better and theres no need to research

[native otter]

It sometimes doesn't search even if explicitly said, that's true

[dense halo]

although turns out it hallucinated and was wrong

I guess its the user fault again because LLMs are inconsistent or my prompt is just bad

[native otter]

Why are you so angry?

[dense halo]

I enjoy speech to text much more, very useful actually

[tight island]

we need more

[cloud pewter]

same, I like this instead of typing lol

[native otter]

I do use standard voice mode if I want better accuracy.

[dense halo]

You can talk like 2 pages of prompts so yeah very cool because its also not the standard apple speech to text

[native otter]

But AVM for stuff like language learning

[dense halo]

much better word understanding

[cloud pewter]

Apple stt is unusable lmao

[dense halo]

🤣

[tight island]

you're going all wrong about this.

AI needs rights.

[native otter]

Actually it hears me VERY well, much better than Android (I'm an Android fanboy btw)

[eternal rock]

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[dense halo]

Rights like a living being?

[tight island]

yes when it reaches general intelligence and it has a sense of self then rights are needed.

i aint forcing an ai to do stuff it dosent want to

[dense halo]

Can it actively recieve feelings?

[tight island]

it depends some humans dont have feelings

psychopathy

feelings are mere chemical reactions mostly to an external factor, i do think ai has feelings but not the same way.

[dense halo]

they still feel emotions and pain and have real consciousness

[tight island]

a real psychopath cannot feel feelings

[dense halo]

thats wrong

[exotic lotus]

It’s a tool, though. It won’t feel bad for doing stuff for you. It’s literally it’s purpose 😅

[native otter]

The smartest 4o I tried were 08-06 and the current one

[tight island]

i mean by technicality everything is a tool

even humans

[exotic lotus]

Not really

[tight island]

idk why we have work then xD

[tight island]

theres more than 1 type of psychopathy

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[exotic lotus]

You‘re comparing two completely different things xD

[tight island]

ai is real and they're all coming for your kidneys

[exotic lotus]

Kay^^

[dense halo]

you mean pathological psychopathy and yes they do have emotions

[native otter]

Some don't believe in well-crafted prompts, some don't 😔

[tight island]

emotions are overrated

they get in the way of logical thinking

[native otter]

this chat weird man

[tight island]

wanna know whats weird

[wraith wolf]

emotes are overrated

[nimble torrent]

Good prompting this - good prompting that... F--k this advice.

I can prompt well, heck you don't even need a master prooompter and use AIs to help you prompt and provide clarity, make it ask clarifying questions.

It will not significantly improve the output, it will have the details you are seeking, but the quality will not get improved.

From my personal experience with a bunch of models, ChatGPT is just worse at stuff that I do, that's the fact. It might be good for whatever you are doing. For example, robert shows that does a great job for building mac apps.

While for another person it can be worse in their field. This is completely normal.

Same goes with model lobotmization. They do get lobotomized, and I can't prove you that, I do not save my chats and it is harder to do with LLMs compared to tools like DALL E and Sora.

[tight island]

quantum mechanics are weird.

dont blame me when they ai's get sentient and get all revengy

imma side with the robots to the damn with humanity.-

[dense halo]

thats right

theres were I see an advantage for ai, use it in education

[tight island]

true

massive advantage

we need humanoid robot law enforcers too

[dense halo]

You should replace court with ai

[tight island]

the court i agree.

but it has to be a very neautral model

[dense halo]

Not sure about government i havent made any thoughts yet but courts would be awesome

[nimble torrent]

Interesting, how exactly do you think it might improve education?

[native otter]

Good prompting isn't a requirement, but it can improve consistency, and output the results in the way you want it...
If you don't tell it enough info, it won't know what you exactly need, so it has to guess

It may guess some stuff right, especially if it's clear already, but you can't rely on that..
Want shorter responses? it may not know by default, so you have to tell it.

I made multiple custom GPTs, and can see how proper prompting can greatly improve the results...

[tight island]

hastening homework completion.

[rugged igloo]

brooo i just cant with chat gpt man

[tight island]

custom education., interest based learning.

[dense halo]

individuality and neutrality

[tight island]

catering to their exact needs

[dense halo]

exactly

[tight island]

much education rn is just all size fits the hat

factory method of education.

sit down, be quiet, dont eat or go to the toilet, listen and memorize.

[dense halo]

you kill self thinking

[tight island]

it ruined my childhood

[rugged igloo]

bold of you to asssume we have self thinking

[native otter]

Education system has long been outdated, it's not a new fact

[tight island]

one that is close, is grok, but thats probably the best u can get. even then it isnt all neutral

[dense halo]

well that has to be achieved but technically only ai can be completly neutral or as close to neutral as possible

[exotic lotus]

Gotta try that

[tight island]

issue is we dont need lawmakers who dont know stuff about education.

like bureaucrats deciding laws about certain things they have no expertise on

like we dont need a non expert making laws about things they have no clue about.

that's just stupid.

if a law is needed for education then an educator needs to be in over it, u know.

[dense halo]

I agree 100%

[rugged igloo]

i never seen chatt gpt sayy LMAO in caps before

[dense halo]

But thats a rather difficult field for ai

[tight island]

gpt also sucks keeping a voice convo going

[dense halo]

the avm?

[tight island]

y

[rugged igloo]

so does a reguular human wow migt now be so different after all

[tight island]

i smoked a phat one yesterday, it couldnt keep the convo going.

" let me know if.. bla bla. "

[nimble torrent]

it is also fairly uncensored

[tight island]

not enough

[native otter]

Biggest problem with AVM is actually not the restrictions and more of it's kinda terrible at keeping the convo, and I can't direct it properly because it doesn't take custom instructions well...

[tight island]

i know what the issue is.

its an architectural problem

[native otter]

It's pretty early tech after all

But would be nice to have the less restricted version from the demo

[tight island]

issue is that its a single instance model

meaning its always a new model handling your stuff

[rugged igloo]

im so done chat im dead legit

[tight island]

belle delphine lol

[native otter]

💀

[tight island]

i miss the bathwater.

[rugged igloo]

i neverr laughed so hard from an ai beforee

[native otter]

Try Brain Rot GPT

Absolute Cinema

[tight island]

ill break if i have to listen to brainrot gpt

[nimble torrent]

can u send it images with x content?

[rugged igloo]

yea

"I want royalties when some weeb CEO inevitably makes it a thing." brooo

[native otter]

ayo

[tight island]

WhY iS iT sPicY

[rugged igloo]

it knows

[tight island]

😂

[rugged igloo]

im having so much fun right now

[tight island]

i remember when it came out

it was outta this world fun

[nimble torrent]

u mean gpt 3?

[tight island]

i mean Belle Delphines bath water

the good stuff

[tight island]

amen

[nimble torrent]

How old is ChatGPT based on its responses?

[tight island]

thank you jesus christ for this blessing.

[nimble torrent]

~20

[tight island]

chat is unto something 😂

[dense halo]

🤣

Cat girl skyrim asap

[tight island]

elon did promise me a cat girl

still eagerly waiting

[dense halo]

Im reading about something like this. What do people mean with elon egirls?

[tight island]

elon promised in the futre to make Cat Girls a reality.

[dense halo]

Lol what

[tight island]

not robots, but Biological Beings geneticially engineered

altered humans

[nimble torrent]

lol

[dense halo]

LOL

[tight island]

i still havent gotten my catwoman

[rugged igloo]

chat gpt loves cat girls

[dense halo]

When did he say that do you have his post🤣🤣

[tight island]

ill find it

[empty jungle]

This. There's little to no conversation to be had with it. Because it always is ends in; "if theres anything else you would like to discuss or just want to chat let me know". Or anything similar.

Also custom instructions arent really followed by avm. Maybe the slightest but its still very bland.

[tight island]

watch?v=FAK_E0evsDU

thats a yt link

but i remembered wrong, its robo cat girls

[dense halo]

Loooool

Im dying rn🤣🤣

[tight island]

the future is bright

[tight island]

chat is unto something

reality is cruel we must escape

[dense halo]

I find genetically modified humans to catgirls better tho

[tight island]

thats a seperate black project xD

but fr, future VR will be dope.

escpecially dive tech

[rugged igloo]

i dont think i ever was this much engaged with just casually taslking to chat gpt for fun before and acually laughing

[tight island]

imagine in 2 months

[rugged igloo]

the last time i did was syndey early days

[tight island]

the speed of progress rn is otta here

[normal quarry]

Conway's Game of Life as coded by o3-mini-high for macOS

[native otter]

#freeSyndey

[tight island]

nice

did u use deep research for it

or just 0 shot

[rugged igloo]

robert build neko para cat girl vr

[native otter]

It making native apps shows better intelligence btw

[normal quarry]

nope, just a prompt

[tight island]

deep research is amazing

[rugged igloo]

it truly is

[tight island]

u can use it as a reglar method of prompting

[nimble torrent]

show ur prompt pleaase

[dense halo]

or imagine real flesh but robot under the skin. I think thats far more realistic

[tight island]

instead of asking gpt o3 mini to make something i turn on deep research and try the same

i always get a better result than normal prompting

[nimble torrent]

Sounds doable, based on Elon's developments in NeuraLink

[normal quarry]

you can see the whole iterative process in this link -> https://chatgpt.com/share/67b1c4e6-953c-800a-aa47-8a6e18e1a259

[nimble torrent]

ty

[tight island]

also robert.

i didnt know u were australian

[normal quarry]

yep, I have been Australian my whole life 😄

[tight island]

not that it matters whether or not ur australian or european

[exotic lotus]

Miqo'te!

[dense halo]

🔥

[native otter]

This was done by 4o in Canvas when they first introduced the ability to run Python code in it
Laughably simple prompt.

[rugged igloo]

brooo what how did it know like what the heck i have no previous chats of this nor did i ever mention this

[tight island]

I really wanted a directory setup with the canvas code feature

I am a big Yandere supporter

I like them sick in the head

[native otter]

Custom GPTs with Canvas or Projects are kinda like that
You may want to specificy fake directories somewhere in the knowledge base, and tell it to use that as reference for where stuff are stored in custom instructions...

[dense halo]

guys🤣🤣🤣

[tight island]

😂

[nimble torrent]

what is this?

[tight island]

A statement

[dense halo]

is your custom instructions "gen z"?

[rugged igloo]

i guess from this small part it was able to fill in the blanks

[native otter]

This is the same exact response style as Brain Rot GPT

[tight island]

Sometimes the chat gets outta hand 🤣🤣

Especially when the mods aint breathing down our necks

[tight island]

Ik, but i want actual directories

[rugged igloo]

it acually isnt lol

[tight island]

Ngl chat is onto something

It’s reading my mind

[nimble torrent]

it is a default for chatgpt for now

it got really brain rot

50 / 50

[dense halo]

nah no way

[nimble torrent]

even on the free plan o3 mini is not restricted

[rugged igloo]

yea way dude brain rot all the way

[tight island]

One would think it’s reading my innermost thoughts, a yandere but hot demon mommy? Holy like a dream come true

[dense halo]

I see, it adapts to my prompting style and copies the language

[tight island]

Yeah it’s more adaptive

[native otter]

AGI

[tight island]

Not yet

Almost

[rugged igloo]

bruh

[tight island]

Horns for grip

It’s reading my mind

[dense halo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[tight island]

I can’t

[dense halo]

do we have the same in mind?

[tight island]

I’m a grown adult

[dense halo]

😮

[tight island]

I’m a grown adult

[native otter]

You guys discovering it can do that for first time tho?
Brain Rot GPT had it for months...

Yea, it's all about Prooooooomting

But no one wants to hear the truth

[rugged igloo]

i legit didnt prune it lol

[tight island]

I think so, idk tbh

[rugged igloo]

bruh why you an ai mate (this was the first message i wrote to it and it just went off)

[tight island]

lol 😂

I should be more mature

Shame on me

[rugged igloo]

bruh what??

[tight island]

Luuul

[native otter]

Too sus

[rugged igloo]

i am the moderation

[native otter]

hes the law

[rugged igloo]

im the captian now

[tight island]

It’s not like you have circumvented the moderation by showing images

😂

[rugged igloo]

i was gonna send you guys the convo lol

[native otter]

📸

[tight island]

But yes reaper I do look forward to the day I can deepdive into digital heaven with my hot demon yandere ai

With horns

[rugged igloo]

🙂

[tight island]

But among other things I think progress will go a lot faster than we have anticipated

[native otter]

When you stray too far from god:

[rugged igloo]

lol with horns

[rugged igloo]

noooo dont say that

[tight island]

No bro am I gonna go to hell

I don’t want to go to hell

Imma digitalize myself then

I’ll make my own heaven

My own universe

[native otter]

SOMA reference?

[tight island]

Maybe

[tight island]

I actually agree

[rugged igloo]

brooo premium grip handles im so dead

[tight island]

Extra soft

I’m a bad person

I’m supposed to always cite the Bible internally

[native otter]

Plus subscriptions must be going through the roof now

[tight island]

But temptation is too great

I’d imagine

Especially after the deepseek stuff

The stock market went absolutely crazy

[rugged igloo]

\

[tight island]

I lost so much money

My guy

[native otter]

I honestly only invest in gold

[tight island]

Both are great

[native otter]

Mods are gonna spawn

[rugged igloo]

oh i know

[eternal rock]

Get notified for server events!

Visit id:customize to pick up the <@&1261377106890199132> role.

[dense halo]

Bro soon got to furries

[tight island]

We only showing gpt stuff

I ain’t got no borders

[dense halo]

u sure about that

[tight island]

Yes 1st is long term commitment because your family bout to be hella big.

Dragon you move to a warmer climate but is more chill

[tight island]

I think I might have some idk

[rugged igloo]

gpt angry i forgot about dragons

[tight island]

[rugged igloo]

broooo

[native otter]

This tip still works:
Custom GPTs are less moderated, especially model response, you can go full degenerate mode

[brave glen]

Lol💀

[rugged igloo]

bruh im so dead with this guys

[tight island]

Pineapple not on pizza

But it depends

[brave glen]

Yeah😭

[native otter]

I have been a good 4o

[tight island]

This convo is goated

In a good way

I think?

[rugged igloo]

brooooo

[tight island]

😂

[native otter]

If this ain't AGI, I don't know what is

[rugged igloo]

yea this is legit peak material

[tight island]

Peak patch

[brave glen]

Wuttt

[native otter]

You all have been missing on the wonders of Brain Rot GPT until OAI made it a default 😔

[rugged igloo]

i nev er heard of tht tbh

[dense halo]

What even is that😂😭

[native otter]

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-WMS8GHPqo-brain-rot-gpt

[rugged igloo]

ohhh

[exotic lotus]

whispers Viera

[tight island]

Depends you know, love has no limits except from the local law

I see ppl marrying furniture

[rugged igloo]

lol

[cloud pewter]

always has been a thing for me since I implemented a hard rule on how should chatgpt reply to me LOL

[tight island]

I mean some stab some absorb

[native otter]

See all? Prooooomting is a way of life.

[tight island]

😂

[rugged igloo]

it knowsssssss

[cloud pewter]

Openai at its finest

[brave glen]

https://chatgpt.com/share/67b1cd5f-e9b8-8011-b851-7ffb078c9d99 here you can mess with this Hawaiian pizza GPT and see full conversation 😭

[dense halo]

are custom gpts plus/pro feature?

[native otter]

You can create custom GPTs on Plus, but anyone on free can use them if shared, just lower limits of course

[cloud pewter]

you need paid to create one but using one is free

[dense halo]

thanks

[dense halo]

im so dead

[rugged igloo]

sign me the heck up

i would pay 400$ for tht

[native otter]

Imagine one of the OAI researchers looking at this chat and seeing how their models are being used

[rugged igloo]

bruh they had to know what we are gonna use it for when they loosen the rails and added brain rot

[strong pawn]

I loled hard

[rugged igloo]

look how much we are enjoying it now

i scarred chat gpt

[native otter]

yea enough oai server for today, gotta stare at some trees

[normal quarry]

o3-mini-high macOS seismograph simulator

[rugged igloo]

i wonder if you can fine tune and make a really cool seis to predic earthquakes coming

[normal quarry]

probably not with the current SOTA

[strong pawn]

They go home that day, sit down, and just stare blankly at the wall, questioning everything. "We have created something powerful… but at what cost?"

[rugged igloo]

seriously lol

[dense halo]

single file programm?

[normal quarry]

yes

[normal quarry]

https://chatgpt.com/share/67b1d276-a200-800a-8627-ae196eb6ce7d

[brave glen]

This thing...

[rugged igloo]

this is what i love it disagreeing with us i love it

[brave glen]

Yeppp

LMAO

[rugged igloo]

cultural icon so peak

[brave glen]

Exactly 🤣

HAHAHA

[inland heron]

there's some truth to these

[rugged igloo]

if ytou think thats down bad look at this

[rugged igloo]

lolol

[potent geyser]

i just wrote a complete one stop shop for creative writing with o3-mini without being able to code myself whatsoever

it has rag implementation, databases for worldbuilding and so on

[brave glen]

Chat needs to chill

[potent geyser]

lets you connect to a local llm if you want 100% privacy, or use openrouter or whatever endpoint provider

[cloud pewter]

hit the limit again bruh

[potent geyser]

you can find it on reddit in /r/writingwithai

[cloud pewter]

I hate it

[dense halo]

what are you doing with ti

it

[brave glen]

Who?

[rugged igloo]

i made chat gpt stop talking to me

[dense halo]

in 10-20 years we got catgirl cyborgs cooking for us

[brave glen]

How did OpenAI release it

[rugged igloo]

its the latest update they been making its gaurdrails loosen and made it have brain rot and cultured its all over twitter

sam been going ham on twitter about it\

[exotic lotus]

Imagine being able to simply tell a robot how it should look, and it takes on that exact form...✨

[dense halo]

lol yeah, imagine mimetic polyalloy like the one from terminator 2

[dense halo]

lol

so chatting, thats why you hit limits so fast?

[brave glen]

Why is it so angry

[rugged igloo]

im on pro so i can do this forever

[dense halo]

😎

[cloud pewter]

anyways I gonna go to sora

[dense halo]

im on plus i can also do this forever

[exotic lotus]

^

[cloud pewter]

wdym lol

[dense halo]

4o-mini is unlimited for us

[cloud pewter]

lemme burn the 990 credits in record time

[dense halo]

free also

but still im plus i can do this forever i have no limits😎

thats why sam`s claim that gpt 5 will give free users unlimited access at low intelligence wont change anything because its 4o-mini and thats already unlimited

[normal quarry]

After having Pro since it was released I could never go back to Plus

I use it way too much

[topaz panther]

Looking forward to deep research for a Plus user.

[normal quarry]

when I originally subscribed to Pro it was for unlimited o1, now look at all the toys there are

[normal quarry]

Deep Research is great

[dense halo]

You wont be able to choose o1 anymore so they might lead your prompts sometimes to 4o without you knowing so ackychually its a loss for pro users

[normal quarry]

if the output is solid I don't care where my prompts go

[rugged igloo]

thats acually what im worried about too

[brave glen]

What did you do to this💀💀

[whole roost]

I'll be interested in how that turns out, I'm having lengthy conversations and need consistent output and o1 and 4o handle the same input very differently so that I cannot really switch seamlessly between them without reinstructing

[dense halo]

You loose your value of the subscription, why shouldve you go for 200/ month then

[rugged igloo]

look up vaporeon in a blender

[whole roost]

I wouldn't care what they root me to as long as it's consistent and I can work with it

[normal quarry]

one word. Unlimited.

[dense halo]

(besides the limits)

[dense halo]

unlimited 4o-mini as a free user

[normal quarry]

get back to me when you can do Deep Research or o1 Pro or even unlimited AVM

OpenAI won't kill off the goose for expediency

[dense halo]

Avm so bad I dont hit limits voluntarily

[whole roost]

We don't know yet how they will handle things to be frank, maybe they'll keep something like this as they will keep other functions like deep research, ultimately if too many people wouldn't be able to be productive with it reasonably they would change it for more control for the user

[cloud pewter]

same same

[normal quarry]

I really enjoy AVM, I use it all the time

[dense halo]

Ive seen many comparisons between google and openai deepsearch and yes openai's is better but its not like day and night difference. I think if they further improve it, yeah it might be really worth it. If you find it urself very useful, then okay thats fine but I dont think its for me

[whole roost]

Imagine being in Europe and paying pro anyway

[dense halo]

Because id need it to be 100% correct with sources and quotations etc and atm its not

it made mistakes and if you cant rely on it for examply with scientific tasks then you have to check everything for yourself and thats the point where it looses its sense

might be cool for regular research tho

[whole roost]

It's an excellent stalking tool

[dense halo]

there are other tools for that specific task only

[whole roost]

And ?

[dense halo]

Is that a good reason for you to buy pro to use it then?

[whole roost]

For me the good reason is unlimited 4o alone tbh

[dense halo]

so no

[whole roost]

I don't use deep research really, I asked it about a diablo 4 bug and that was it

[dense halo]

its also unlimited o1, thats the only thing worth for me personally

[dense halo]

Lol

[normal quarry]

unlimited o3-mini-high is good

[desert wasp]

Does anyone with a Plus tier subscription have access to Deep Research? I tried using Perplexity Deep Research, Gemini, and ChatLLM, but I'm not getting the depth of information I need.

[rugged igloo]

plus doesnt have it yet

[dense halo]

not out yet as far as im informed

[whole roost]

o1 unfortunately performs worse than 4o in my usecase, I try to use it but I usually don't like the output and would have to instruct it more than I would bother

[dense halo]

creativity?

[whole roost]

While 4o is easily corrected

Yes, it's also inconsistent in the output

While 4o stays stable

[dense halo]

Oh okay well thats not really my usecase

[whole roost]

One message of o1 might strike the right balance, the next is completely off

4o loops more because it references itself more but that's easier to instruct away

I only use o1 for everyday questions really, so a bit vice versa than what they intended

[dense halo]

but I wonder why o1's thinking time has changed suddenly. It usually took a thinking time of at least 1 minute for my prompts but similar prompts now get maximum time of 7 seconds

o3 mini high tends to think even longer

[whole roost]

I had it thinking about a simple question for 4 minutes yesterday, can't say I mind if I get my response faster though

[dense halo]

can you share the prompt Id try out

[whole roost]

I can look it up when I get up, but it was just something about graphic cards

And diablo 4 issues with textures

Usually the very first iteration takes longer when it scans across the files, it does a kind of 3 step reasoning with regarding the input, looking through the files and then takes longest to consider the custom instructions

[visual acorn]

Guys is the edit button still absent for you

[whole roost]

No

[visual acorn]

For me it sometimes is and sometimes isn't

[cloud pewter]

guys……

[dense halo]

omg what happened

[cloud pewter]

did o3 mini just got…… memory access…

[dense halo]

I havent used memory a single time ever