#Outrageous change to Omegas in advantage tournaments

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livid coral
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https://ludia.helpshift.com/hc/en/21-jurassic-world-alive/faq/2753-what-are-skill-and-advantage-tournaments/

They have decided to allow Omegas to be able to use all unlocked abilities in advantage tournaments.

This goes against everything Omegas were supposed to be. And basically turns all advantage tournaments that include Omegas into Omega advantage, especially Legendaries and below.

This is a very bad decision on Ludia’s part and extremely disappointing.

It really feels like they were either too lazy or too incompetent to fix the constant glitches in tournaments so decided to just change the Omega rules instead.

What are Skill and Advantage Tournaments? — Jurassic World Alive ...

Please note: Unless exclusively specified in the tournament details, Omegas will have uncapped abilities. There are two kinds of Tournaments

timid sorrel
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I get not caring, but to implement this is just absolutely bad design and quite frankly stupid. Jam City pulled Omegas for a good reason. They knew Omegas were flawed and bad for business.

vital hare
# timid sorrel I get not caring, but to implement this is just absolutely bad design and quite...

I disagree with you on the notion that omegas are innately flawed, but allowing them to enter lower rarity advantage tournaments with completely unlocked movesets is. Not only does this harm the balancing for lower rarity advantage omega tournaments, but it also causes all but a few omegas to become obsolete in these formats.
The omega move rarity scaling really was the best compromise for lower rarity (legendary and below) omega advantage tournaments. Hopefully they reconsider.

timid sorrel
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Omegas aren't that bad in general. Quicker battles are a good thing and what battling is and was back from the start. A simple arcade experience.

vast nimbus
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Omegas are my favorite cause they are the most strategic creatures in the game due to being able to customize them the most.
But this is flat out ridiculous and completely breaks any advantage tourney legendary and under.
This is yet another money generation tactic with little regard to the game experience. Get us to blow all our resources on expensive omegas right before they make them obsolete and replace them with something new, like star creatures perhaps. Very similar tactics to releasing incredibly broken strong creatures and then nerfing them after we've sunk all our resources into them.

flat delta
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an omega with l21 moves is supposed to be equivalent to a unique and l26 with apex. and they expect us to counter those with epic/legendary?

vital hare
# vast nimbus Omegas are my favorite cause they are the most strategic creatures in the game d...

I agree with a lot of what you've said here. Omegas are my favorite class by in large for the reasons you've outlined.

Allowing them to compete in lower rarity omega advantage tournaments with fully unlocked kits is a massive lapse in judgement. Locking their moves to the other featured rarity was the best balancing decision.

I hope that the star class is nothing but an April fools' joke, but who knows.

timid sorrel
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Thing is. I don't think ludia cares. They have bigger fish to fry.

spare timber
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@vagrant burrow can someone actually do something about this? It's like we are all shouting into an echo chamber. Would be good if someone could show they actually care about the game's community and LISTEN for once

vagrant burrow
austere brook
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i mean, maybe the rares are included to make sure that everyone can actually enter the omega tourney? if that's the case, i'm not mad at it...

spare timber
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Well that's like fighting a fire with an ice cube

glacial nymph
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The thing is this - we never used to get the chance to use our omegas with all moves we unlocked unless it was an apex tournament.
This made the omegas useless in most cases.
The omegas would be a bit better in unique tournaments but those with L26 moves that couldn’t be used always lost to uniques that had no restrictions.
So building omegas was pretty pointless unless you used them in regular PvP and only a handful really stood a chance.
So, although it may seem daft to have omegas fully unlocked against commons, rares and epics , at least everyone gets to enter these tournaments now, and it isn’t unreasonable to have them fully unlocked against legendary and up.
And it’s way better to have quick battles so it works out well in my opinion.

vast nimbus
# glacial nymph The thing is this - we never used to get the chance to use our omegas with all m...

So having omegas dominant all common, rare, epic and legendary advantage tourneys; and using the same omega team for all of these; and facing the opponent's same omega teams week after week after week is worth it cause now we can use more omegas in unique tourneys. That trade off seems better to you??
You say "...this made omegas useless in most cases...". Were we playing completely different games?! Before, when omega abilities were restricted to rarities, they dominated. The completely dominated. It was only in the most recent times when new legendary creatures became stronger. Epic has a handful that caught up. Rare and common just a few creatures.
This is now insane. Just imagine trying to use your advantage common team or your advantage rare team against omegas now. This move obliterates variety in advantage tourneys. Variety is what keeps the game interesting.

austere brook
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I'm looking at it this way...

  • if it was meant to be a rare tourney, they should have limited omegas abilities
  • if it was meant to be an omega tourney, and rares were just allowed to give those without many omegas a chance to enter, fair enough, I'm all for it.

Unfortunately, looking at that tourney and the 2 announced, it looks like they have decided that to ensure people can join all tourneys, they are just going to let omegas run wild in all of them. If so, that's poorly planned. I have recommended since the issue of people not being qualified to enter higher rarity tourneys became a thing, that they needed to allow commons in to all tourneys, so that people could at least have full teams to participate.
But fully unlocked omegas? Never once did I think that would be a good idea ..

glacial nymph
wintry fossil
austere brook
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Wasnt this how they originally had omegas in tourneys? Then because of the severe backlash from the community they started limiting abilities based on rarity...

Thought that's how it was anyway.

wintry fossil
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No that was the stats. They were originally preset

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The moves have always been locked based on rarity

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Well until now

timid sorrel
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In short Clever Girl shouldn't one shot Beckylo on turn 1.

glacial nymph
# wintry fossil Yeah but those who grind our asses off for legendaries are now in a battle where...

That’s a fair point so they ought to just go back to making tournaments rarity specific up to unique then allow omegas.
I think common, rare, epic and legendary should not allow omegas full stop.
Then allow them in unique and apex tourneys.
An advantage tourney should allow us to use our dinos that we have levelled and built, but not to the point that we have op rarities in a tourney.
Why allow omegas in lower level tournaments?

wintry fossil
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Bottom line is that this is a move done out of pure laziness and lack of caring, which is absolutely pathetic

wintry fossil
glacial nymph
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I agree that allowing any omegas in legendary tournaments should not happen

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I don’t think they will allow them for much longer because so many legendaries are needed for apex dinos now.
So many players will stop building them at 25 if they know fully unlocked omegas are gonna be allowed in legendary tourneys.
This ultimately means less coins will be bought and less dinos boosted.
And that won’t please the investors will it?

timid sorrel
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This format was the same as February's but allowing Omegas to have all abilities. I've noticed the massive reduction in encountering legendaries and epics. Angel and Rebel have disappeared completely from my experience.

wintry fossil
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Angel and Rebel tbh have already run into major issues with the new kids. But the only legendary kinda knocking about right now is becklyth.

vital hare
# glacial nymph That’s a fair point so they ought to just go back to making tournaments rarity s...

Banning Omegas from lower rarity tournaments isn't the fix here.

Omegas are balanced when their moves are restricted to the opposing rarity. Your suggestion is problematic in part because the top Omegas tend to fall between legendaries and the new uniques in terms of strength. They can't compete with the stronger uniques or apexes in an advantage scenario; they lack the stat scaling and enhancements to go toe-to-toe with those rarities. Certain niche picks (Masto, Sinraptor) may occasionally be viable, but as a whole they get throttled in those formats.

On top of that, this approach favors a small subset of the higher rarity viable omegas, while completely invalidating the vast majority of the rarity, including those that do better in the lower rarity formats.
The best compromise is to apply the rarity move restrictions to Omegas, not nueter them of their main purpose, which is tournament play.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for completely unlocked Omegas in the lower rarity formats. The powers that be should reverse course on their recent decision, and change it back to how it was. In the event that they don't and keep things as they are (which would be highly undesirable), the answer IMO is restricting a few certain omegas (Masto, sinraptor) from lower rarity formats, not banning the entire rarity outright.

Your suggestion would nuke the entire rarity.

spare timber
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I think the omegas should be used how they were designed in the first place, the unlockable moves were meant to be for each of the rarities, so keep it to the specific rarities.

Yes there would've been some unbalancing in the rare omega tournament still, even with only level 6 moves unlocked for omegas - but it would've been far more balanced and rares would also have had some form of chance, instead of no chance

glacial nymph