Let roars hit dodge

[cyan mauve]

The whole point of dodge is to dodge, how do you dodge sound. If buck roars and your opponent is a sah you should be able to hit it with your roar instead of letting it dodge. Sound moves at 770 miles per hour, your not dodging it with a cat

[jagged apex]

How can a roar kill a cat?

[quiet bison]

Just a cool animation man

[jagged apex]

Besides, they just can't make such sounds
It would injure themselves

[jagged apex]

• Lung capacity
• 200 decibels is unrealistic in nature (whales may produce over 200 dB but that's underwater, so sound travels differently)
• Air Physically Limits Volume, the air can only carry so much pressure before it non-linearly dissipates the wave
• Evolution Wouldn’t Favor It, evolution tends to favor energy efficiency and survival, so a roar that could kill would waste tons of energy and attract predators or competitors from miles away, overall just counterproductive

Might need to rethink this one bud

[cyan mauve]

Why does dodge have to work on literally everything basically

[jagged apex]

If a guy tries to punch you, you can Dodge right?

[cyan mauve]

Yeah that’s physical though

[jagged apex]

How is that any different

[cyan mauve]

Sound travels every direction as well

[jagged apex]

Might need to read this again

[jagged apex]

When someone yells at you, do you fall on the ground unconscious?

[cyan mauve]

No, when your right by something that’s 10x your size that roars loud enough to kill things of the same species almost instantly sometimes

[jagged apex]

Size doesn’t scale roar infinitely
Larger animals = lower frequencies, not necessarily louder volume

I can't kill a rat by yelling at it, and neither could an elephant

Not to mention, how loud it would have to be

The energy needed to do that, it's insane

[cyan mauve]

Okay then, if you but a rat infront of a sperm whale it would probably die instantly

[jagged apex]

Back to the drawing board

[jagged apex]

What did I say about water?

Sound travels differently in water, let's keep that in mind

[cyan mauve]

Yeah your right

So your telling me that if the rex fought in the water the sah could die even with dodge

[jagged apex]

I want you to think about what you said for a sec

[cyan mauve]

Okay the point of what I’m saying here is that it’s dumb that you can dodge sound

[jagged apex]

It isn't a physical attack

[cyan mauve]

So you can’t dodge out the way of it, nothing about a cat moving makes sense to dodge sound

[jagged apex]

You're going in circles, back to the drawing board pal

[cyan mauve]

Okay I have a question for you

[jagged apex]

I'm all ears

[cyan mauve]

If your standing right by a fire work but it doesn’t go up in the air it just stays and you move a couple feet away, are your ears not gonna hurt anymore because you moved away from it

Ignore the fire part

My point is that your not gonna move fast enough not to here that thing and cause a lot of damage to your ears

[jagged apex]

Took me a sec is but obviously your ears will hurt even if you move a few feet away

[cyan mauve]

Yeah

So there for you would take damage right

[jagged apex]

Yes I wouls

Would*

Okay, but does an animal produce that much sound? It's no where close

[cyan mauve]

So your telling me that if your by something loud enough to hurt you, especially cats because they have better hearing then us

Okay yes, but still the rex manages to somehow be loud enough to cause damage or even kill similarly sized creatures

[jagged apex]

Yes it would be loud enough to intimidate and maybe cause temporary discomfort, but not damage hearing long-term

[cyan mauve]

Okay but what I’m saying here is that, even if the sah dodges it should still atleast take some damage

[jagged apex]

You know what's crazy?
Even if a rat were right infront of a T.rex, it wouldn't even kill it

Maybe constant roaring while being that close will damage its hearing but it wouldn't kill it

[jagged apex]

Which it does, it does take damage

Thats why we've got scenarios like these

[cyan mauve]

I did this battle, it took 0 damage

Not the battle your showing

[jagged apex]

If you posted a screenshot, well it doesn't show

[cyan mauve]

Okay you know what I don’t think this conversation is going anywhere, how about we just agree with both have fair points and stop arguing

[jagged apex]

I won, but sure let's call it a draw

Ngl, I was expecting you to respond that low level ragebait, which you did but didnt?

Not bad, usually get them especially after I've been making good points through out the debate

I consider this whole thing a learning experience
I didnt know that a Rat doesn't die even if its placed right infront of a Tyrannosaurus' mouth

[jagged apex]

Until right there

[tame haven]

No offense but please don’t try to apply dumb logic or technicalities to a game because then you have Soooo many more issues coming

[tame haven]

This is a great example in if you try adding to much logic so much more comes with it

[cyan mauve]

Yeah that’s fair

Kinda hate how the game can’t have any logic without more flaws with it

[tame haven]

Yah it really kinda sucks but it’s not worth changing a component so engraved into the game for a technicallity

[cyan mauve]

Also how dare you put nerd emojis

[tame haven]

lol I had to

So don’t take it seriously

[cyan mauve]

Joe mama

[tame haven]

Aight that’s fair I had that coming

[cyan mauve]

lol

[cyan mauve]

Get feddy fazbard

[tame haven]

You really didn’t wanna do that …

[cyan mauve]

Neither did you >:)

[tame haven]

Dang it the oldest trick in the book

[cyan mauve]

lol

[quartz nova]

are we really questioning this game's logic when it comes to sound when a sauropod can bellow, a therapod or a ceratopsian can create sharp spikes similar that move towards the opponent, and a Therizinosaurid can muster up enough strength on its legs to pounce

also dodge was MADE to counteract fierces so it would be pointless if a Fierce specialty move can bypass it with no repercussions

[weak moss]

Are we trying to apply biological plausability, when you have a creature whose first line in its description looks like it came from a pokedex entry?

(I still think dodge should, well, dodge roar, but is more related with gameplay balance than anything else)

[weak light]

Dodge is just a slightly weaker version of Infinity

[versed carbon]

A dodge is a dodge is a dodge

[weak light]

Its not the sound that missed but rather the Sonic Boom that the Sah dodged.

[tame haven]

That’s not how that works

[cyan mauve]

Indeed

Also it’s a sonic boom?

Like the cringe sonic the hedgehog show

[weak light]

No. Its those things fighter jets make once they go Mach 1

[weak light]

Yes.

[cyan mauve]

You mean when something moves fast enough to break the sound barrier

[weak light]

Yes

And it creates a Boom

[cyan mauve]

Okay then, how does sound break the sound barrier?

Oh wait

[weak light]

Idk

Maybe the Saliva drops went faster than the speed of sound ig

[cyan mauve]

It can’t genius that’s why it’s called a sound barrier

Do not look alike

Some what look alike

Meh they are different enough

He he he he

[weak light]

What i'm saying is, that the Dino's saliva got ejected from the Dino's mouth faster than the speed of sound(a little unrealistic but thats the closest thing we could get)

In other words, the Dino somehow spat faster than the speed of sound

[cyan mauve]

Or the dino screamed as it saw something falling and the cat dodged it 🗿

[river wren]

sound moves very fast but this just seems like annoying game design

if it was meant to go through dodge it should be precise

dodge is already annoyingly gimmicky as is

[river wren]

this is inherently a strawman as whales actually weaponise sound as a hunting mechanism and they live underwater

the physics you're using is shaky at best
and as I've said if it was meant to bypass then make it bypass

[tame haven]

No it’s not you can’t just dodge a sonic boom