Don’t give away meta apexes in isla events

[slender nest]

Not too much to say, but for the people who hard earned it and spent their resources and time investing into it, it just sucks to see them give it away for everyone including people who aren’t trying to get it. This isla event could also mean they might nerf it in the future, which is going to greatly disrupt the current meta.

[merry palm]

Especially with an APEX as powerful and hard to create as this one. I had to work my ass off to get enough Giganot DNA for that beast.

[slender nest]

So true, I had to grind giganoto from sanctuaries every day, and now they give it away to players who potentially haven’t even darted a giganoto.

[unkempt gale]

It's crazy that we alr presume gryga's nerf by seeing the devs giving it to everyone🤣 great job theyve done

[minor bronze]

its like clockwork

[sinful haven]

They're the ones doing this to themselves

[slender nest]

Here’s my theory about why this is foreshadowing a gryg nerf: JC always squeezes money out of new creatures they release, and we all know gryg has been out for a decent amount of time. As time progresses and people unlock it and level it up, they will purchase deals with it less and less often. I believe that this isla event is a last resort from JC because they are almost done making money off of it and will longer need it for more profit soon. After this, they’ll nerf it soon so they can start making money off of newer creatures. This isn’t the first time this cycle has happened.

[unkempt gale]

Wonder jc will stop the chain and let gryga die out by powercreep in the further future

[quick saddle]

ok I will give my opinion about it whether people agree or not that's just me
1- isla isn't newbie friendly if you don't have good dinos you are dead even if you do if they aren't played correctly you still die there's no healers and final boss is bleeder that's big hit on hp
2- people who could obtain it are people who probably from aviary and above and that range has good dinos so Gryganyth won't shine as much as you expect especially because I saw alot of people discuss about how they wanna drop trophies to "bully" those people down there
3- it's December holiday season they feeling generous just like every game

[slender nest]

It’s more newbie friendly than you think, you gotta play smart with the lower class creatures and you can make it to the tougher levels with just those dinos. Most of the uniques are resisted to DOT and/or they have devour heal to keep them alive.

Aviary is where this is an issue, because in the lower half players tend to have level 21-24 uniques. Introducing meta apexes into those lineups is a bad, bad idea.

Keep in mind they put rexy and in here so newbies can blaze past the first levels.

[quick saddle]

I know few people who lost with level 30 rexies because of pouki...

plus I'm aviary player and most dinos I see are level 30s and 29s lower side of aviary has 21-24

[slender nest]

Also gotta note that isla event AI’s are very dumb

[quick saddle]

pouki goes for instant distraction then dodge then fearless flap that's literally rexy killer

[slender nest]

30 and 29 OLD uniques, because that is what is required to fight lower level uniques, they’re just that bad

[quick saddle]

idk if ptor and nomingia and dracovenator count as old but sure ig

[slender nest]

Then that’s a dropper if you’re fighting level 30 ptors and nomingias.

[quick saddle]

well let's just say they use old I mostly see magni as one of the old being level 30 so that means they can access magnaraptor and magnaraptor counters Gryganyth so

[slender nest]

They choose not to because they don’t want to reset their creatures and build up new ones. Thats why they continue to use those creatures to this day.

That or they use creatures they think are awesome regardless of abilities, which is a great way to play the game

[quick saddle]

well I don't think unboosted level 26 Gryganyth will do that well against level 30 and if it does well that's way for the players to stand chance against those who are planning to drop and nuke lower players with new dinos especially with cheat death ability got added they has something to fight back with

[slender nest]

I’m comparing the 26 gryg to the level 21-24 uniques that a lot of aviary players have, not level 30s. Also cheat death was added to one singular creature so far and that’s an apex you won’t see in that arena.

[quick saddle]

well again most are level 30s and yes I will see it because I said there are those who will purposely drop to play with it there

[slender nest]

Yeah. I never said it would change dropping, i said it would change matchups that would normally be fair in that arena.

[quick saddle]

hm you aren't in aviary long enough to say because trust me there are way more level 30s than 21s and yea it doesn't change that there will be droppers but at least Gryganyth has chance to put fight against said droppers

[slender nest]

I was in aviary for 2 years and I already know what it’s like to fight level 30s😂
Once I started hunting for meta dinos i was able to easily beat the uniques today because of how predictable those people are. You still think giving everyone these for free is still a good idea?

[quick saddle]

also since we are talking about level 21s to 24s they won't beat isla because non of the popular dinos in aviary are in isla roaster and rexy and tmet can be killed by pouki and dracocera and tmet doesn't have that big bleed resistance it suffers quite a bit

[slender nest]

What is Dracoceratosaurus gonna do against the uniques allowed? They get weaker the less creatures you have, and poukans ai just spams sideflap.
P.S. a level 21 unboosted protonodon is able to solo the majority of this isla

[spiral fulcrum]

This is why you don't go for relatively old hybrids
A fact that nobody wants to acknowledge
New=good cashcow
Old=nerfed

[slender nest]

And the new ones are usually temporary until they get nerfed.

[quick saddle]

that's one way to teach them that maybe it's time to upgrade because magnaraptor is very easy to obtain and that kills Gryganyth

[slender nest]

Do you have magnaraptor?

[spiral fulcrum]

Or use Sinraptor
You get 12k over a month

[quick saddle]

pronto isn't easily achievable in aviary dw

[quick saddle]

yes actually I do lol

[quick saddle]

and you get one in daily too

[slender nest]

This is why it bothers you less than other people. Put yourself in a persons shoes where they don’t have the creatures leveled for that

Anyways for top meta and the future gryg nerf, how is alankydact and cerastego gonna be countered

[spiral fulcrum]

Safe for now = Trykov, Indoc, Glyps
Nerfed after JC milks it enough: Alankydact, Gryg, Compsov, Ceratostego

[spiral fulcrum]

Fuse for the Doe/Buck apex

[quick saddle]

well that's way to say you don't have good levels you need to gather more because you can't just infinitely climb trophies there's reason why 21-24 uniques are in aviary

[slender nest]

Then it becomes for them “whoever pulls gryg wins” 🗣️🔥

[minor bronze]

i dont think indoc is powerful enough or meta changing to warrant a nerf

which is nice

[quick saddle]

btw spino does good vs Gryganyth too

[slender nest]

Most people in aviary arent gonna have a 21+ spino aegy

[spiral fulcrum]

Literally just kill it before it acts

[slender nest]

Anyways gtg for now

[quick saddle]

priority rampage

[minor bronze]

correction: priority decimation

[spiral fulcrum]

*Level Sinraptor and Yutyrannus

[quick saddle]

well you are worrying about people who refuse to change to better stuff that's just like using outdated steak that cost 1$ because good steak is expensive don't complain when it tastes bad yk

[quick saddle]

ah right ty

level 22 indominus can go to certain point

[slender nest]

Probably because they CANT get it to that level? Aegy is the hardest raid and pretty much requires communication, because autofill for that is horrible

[quick saddle]

what about yuty and sinraptor?

they are good too and especially yuty vs Gryganyth

[minor bronze]

if my yuty can outspeed gryg t1 and win the 70% gamble, easy 10k dmg

[slender nest]

Again, they can’t get that since it requires so much dna. Sinraptor i could see after this month cuz of daily missions, but to me it looks like you’re saying you want more of these and to keep giving everyone meta dinos.

[quick saddle]

if you get that crit to 100% you will decimate

[minor bronze]

thing is i dont wanna make it too glass cannony

cuz i use my yuty for raids too

[slender nest]

Yeh, yuty would also be better off not dying immediately the turn after

[minor bronze]

tbf even if yuty dies i got good dinos to make up for it

[quick saddle]

they only did it once I don't say keep doing it, I'm just saying it's not huge deal when Gryganyth can be dealt with good by many stuff that can be obtained easily

[slender nest]

They aren’t easy to obtain, you’ve only suggested either other apexes or very high level omegas

[quick saddle]

and you talked about old uniques and most of old uniques go to powerful apexes so my point stands

dio
tryko
magna
indoraptor
compsoraptor

[slender nest]

^^

[quick saddle]

if you can get level 30 trex you can't use that to get nice rewards from advantage tournament and get good stuff going? you don't have to reset but build more dino is good because old one can be used to farm from advantage tournament and go to new stuff you building

plus I think Gryganyth is good for new players Because those heavily strict tournaments

[trail acorn]

They’re probably gonna Nerf it that’s why they’re giving it out

[slender nest]

They’re called apexes for a reason. If you can’t do well in the restricted tourneys, then simply get better dinos and put it the effort

[slender nest]

Yeah they are, same thing happened with kyrie I believe

[trail acorn]

Yeah

[quick saddle]

well I can literally say exact same word to arena players can't do well then get better stuff and put effort

[trail acorn]

Well, it is December, so I guess they could be trying to be nice

[frigid carbon]

Ngl I'm not against giving out Apexes BUT only raid ones and no others
Most of them are ass compared to newer dinos and actual meta so they won't be as problematic as New ones
I agree that Gryg is just stupid, easily top 2 and given out like bread

[trail acorn]

Like demon cherry said they’re probably just being nice it is December after all or they probably will Nerf it

[slender nest]

The second one

They won’t just give out an op dino and keep it like that

[trail acorn]

Weren’t they generous last year?

I remember them being very generous with something

Or I’m thinking of the St. Patrick’s Day calendar when they gave out a bunch of hard cash

[slender nest]

Generous in terms of making tempting offers to get us to spend more money

[frigid carbon]

Yeah Gryg has been here for almost a year, we all know they don't make that for meta but more likely because, well Gryg isn't really selling hard anymore Ig

[trail acorn]

They were generous during the St. Patrick’s Day event they gave out like almost 5000 cash from the calendar

[frigid carbon]

So a nerf is likely coming

[trail acorn]

I just want to say I don’t agree with anything they do but I genuinely think they’re trying to be nice

[night hill]

If I'm being honest, the better way to give this would have been if they gave components DNA instead of the entire apex for free (like they did with Skoonametrodon).

[slender nest]

I get you think that but doesn’t it feel a little too good to be true since it’s normally locked behind a $100usd paywall

[spiral fulcrum]

Guess who doesn't get nerfed unlike Gryganyth

[night hill]

Got powercrpet anyways so...

[trail acorn]

Yes, I do it’s a little weird they did it but I don’t use it anyway so I’m not really complaining

[merry palm]

I mean, don't give it away, but I sure do like this...

And as far as beginners not having a chance... I got through level 8 with mostly low level creatures and level 10 Iguanadon (slowly) easily dominates most of the cunning opponents.

[lilac ore]

And just saying... we had someone join our alliance at L13, a month later and tehy are already L17...

[feral yarrow]

who bring rexy vs poki?

[feral yarrow]

I agree, the level of the AI creatures is lower if your creatures are low level

although imho it's not that hard to make, its only exclusive DNA comes from Giganotosaurus

it takes a lot of darting and you have to do a lot of FIP'ing for Giganotosaurus...

but I think many of us share your concerns about an imminent nerf on Gryganyth

[quick saddle]

mindless picking

especially when the point is that rexy and tmet are strongest in the isla pouki shuts them

[tall dagger]

I totally understand your point and you're right that the gryga can be nerfed but also those of us who are not veterans or whatever costs us more the apexs have an advantage right? We are also those players there in the game, besides what does a total nerf to the gryga matter when a fierce apex appears better than the gryga you are simply going to replace it nerfed or not so it is not bad that non-veteran players have a free meta apex, also think about it that it is an apology for the last tournament that was unfair. Just think about those players too

[sinful haven]

Giving a meta apex for free is a horrible idea in it of itself, the impact it will have on lower arenas will be huge in a bad way, lower down players will also have to depend on pulling Gryg to even win if they don't have any other good creatures

If you really want to make it up for the people who couldn't participate in last tourney maybe they just shouldn't do a tourney so restricted ever again

[lilac ore]

Remember when they realized the damage they did to lower arenas and then put a level cap on raids - AFTER a YEAR? Then they came out with wild legendarys and uniques, now just giving out apex... i think the days of worrying about lower arenas is gone, it's just always going to be awful.

and commons should be in every tourney

[sinful haven]

Even then, the worry for lower arenas is completely justified

The new players are going to come in face a damn Gryg, something they can't counter if they haven't played the isla

[slender nest]

I get you aren’t a player who plays this game often and I also know you mainly just want a free op dino. That’s why you opposed this in the first place. This giveaway to gryg causes so much imbalance to many arenas in the game, since they unlocked a creature they shouldn’t have, they’re called apexes for a reason. It’s not fair to new players who have to face that in Lockwood estate or another arena that meta dinos wouldn’t normally show up.

[sinful haven]

Exactly what I am trying to say

[slender nest]

The potential gryg rebalance is also will have a huge impact on the upper arenas, unlike what you said in your message. Us veterans put lots of time and resources these creatures and when they get nerfed it would put as back farther as those resources would be wasted.

[tall dagger]

I understand but I think you have not been in those low arenas for a long time, because once I lost my account and went up to the ship arena, do you know what appeared to me? A rajadotholus and also in lockwood mansion there are already apexes and high level soles and that's not fair either, I'm not even telling you in aviary I find only level 30 catalyzed and apex meta like the draco lux and plateorexs and sath panthers also high levels and ultra well boosted, isn't that fair either? and I barely have base levels so I would say that the griga's gift would even be an opportunity for some to be able to fight against those creatures, most of you here may be in high arenas and not realize it but those of us below have a very bad time

[lilac ore]

still think they should rarity and boost limit certain arenas...

[tall dagger]

As for that, when a new fierce apex comes out better than the gryga as I said in my message, you won't care anymore because that's what the meta is about.

[slender nest]

First off, this topic isn’t called “let us complain about droppers” I was in aviary for two years and I grinded in there so I could stand a chance against them, not waiting for a gift from the devs. If droppers are a problem, build up your entire team, 1 creature won’t do too much.

[tall dagger]

I also had teammates who say the same thing, that they tried hard to get out, but believe me, it's not easy to get on with an apex meta team, and as far as I know, in the past in Aviary there were at least the same dinos, but potentially very strong, but it was possible, and the apex of this meta are stronger than those previous ones that you saw.

[slender nest]

People will obviously care because they have to reset a creature on their team and build up an entirely new one. You probably think we are all whales that can just buy anything and instantly max it out, but most of us aren’t like what aviary players think. Took me 5 months to replace a powercrept parasauthops on team.

[sinful haven]

I know we all love free stuff but cmon, giving out a META dino for free is a bad idea

The lower arenas will suffer, I've seen stuff that should not be down there in the countless times I've dropped

[slender nest]

100%, work for your apexes instead of waiting to be blessed by the devs. It takes a while but it pays off.

[sinful haven]

Exactly

[tall dagger]

I don't think about maxing them, but it's normal for everyone to use the new and stronger stuff to stay in the meta like all the teams that are at the top.

[sinful haven]

Even then, a free Meta apex will ruin overall balance

Apexes are apexes for a reason, they're supposed to be hard to get, not a free damn handout

[tall dagger]

I have already answered and given an example of what happens in the lower arenas and I repeat it now in case lux, sath and ungifted dracos appear, that is, long before this gryganthy event

[slender nest]

You should too then, if you’re mad about getting out of aviary, then update your team.

[sinful haven]

Mhm

[tall dagger]

yes indeed

[sinful haven]

This is not about anything else, it's about the imbalance jam city is causing

What's next a damn Magnar isla?

[slender nest]

Probably alankydact next 😂

[sinful haven]

Lmao god forbid

[tall dagger]

It makes me more angry that it is unbalanced for some and facing off against Apex Meta and I repeat this maybe it is an apology for the previous tournament that not many of us were able to play

[sinful haven]

If it were to be an apology they could have done SOMETHING else

Never making a tourney that restricted ever again could have been better instead of a free meta handout

[tall dagger]

I hope not xd, the truth is I don't want them to give away so much meta dinos I just think that I liked some advantage but everything in excess is not good hehe

[slender nest]

Making in an “apology” is not part of JC’s business plan. Never was, never will be. The only thing they want is money, money, money!!! They’ve released this isla bc they are almost done milking gryg anyways

[lilac ore]

i mean, shouldn't omegas be an issue as well for lower arenas? given the availability and dartability?

[slender nest]

Good, then you’re on our side, or idk

[sinful haven]

The thing about Omegas is that they need way more grinding

Therefore slowing their dominance over lower arenas

[tall dagger]

It's just a belief, I'm not claiming

[slender nest]

Ok, because all the old players and I know this is a setup for more profit for the company.

[tall dagger]

Let's not exaggerate with this thing of giving away meta

[tall dagger]

That's the summary of the tournament

Well, in conclusion, once doesn't hurt, but it was good for conversation.

[slender nest]

It will hurt and I’m hoping it doesn’t happen again, aviary is the least of my concerns

The main place this will be affected is arenas before aviary who obtained it, and the potential nerf drastically affecting upper arenas.

[tall dagger]

and those who have it are those who already have dinos at level 30, I saw them, they are present there

[compact isle]

people who couldn't normally fuse for gryg don't deserve to get it handed to them for free, simple as that

handing out a unique for free is one thing, but we're talking the 2nd best creature in the game automatically at lvl 26 for everyone

[tall dagger]

I think you were not interested in the comments that were there. It seems that veterans simply want everything for themselves. Just think about the other players and being the second strongest creature does not mean that it will be there for life, just like the mortal on his day, it is better to think only about one thing, of his gratitude.

Also, when a new fierce Apex comes out that is better than this Gryganthi and more Apex come out that will remove him from the meta, you will forget about him.

[slender nest]

Sorry about that but trex123 is right, aviary and below players don’t deserve the 2nd best dino in the game if they put absolutely zero effort into making it. It’s not that we want everything for ourselves, it’s just that you shouldn’t be handed creatures you didn’t work for.

[tall dagger]

Well, the veterans are still the same, but relax, soon Ludia will give you new Apex better than the previous ones.

[tame rover]

If that’s how they gonna allow it, it’s better than nothing, any improvement is good

[tall dagger]

Well, do what you want veterans, at least you avoid giving away just for your convenience.

[tame rover]

Another fact to consider not regarding you but a few of the comments above, is as I am a ftp, and even without this event I could still unlock him once I got the coins bc I just have so much dna Bc I am a long time veteran myself, however I do feel the imbalance it makes in lower areas, however, it will balance as long as it’s not something frequent, it’s the holidays so let it slide for once

[lilac ore]

i'm ftp, but have been playing so long that mine has been created with 700 dna since day 1...
do i think it imbalances lower arenas, sure... but there are other things that are causing that issue as well and have been for a long time.

[compact isle]

"veterans simply want everything for themselves"

except no, I don't. I think it's fair to expect new players to put in the same effort other players, including veterans have

apexes are the highest rarity creatures. The fact you don't have a problem and think it's fair to hand them out for free is astounding

and actually, there's nothing wrong with veterans expecting to have an advantage over new players. Why should new players get the same stuff veterans spent months to obtain? That is entitlement on your behalf, and quite rude to people who put time into this game

[tall dagger]

I'll send you a picture to see if it's fair

[compact isle]

you don't need to send me any pictures

it isn't even an opinion, but a fact that veterans should have more dna and resources than new players

they literally started playing before new players and spent more time grinding

[tame rover]

It’s the holidays guys, relax

[compact isle]

I'm calm

[compact isle]

again, no need for an image that doesn't prove your point

[tall dagger]

Well, do you think all the recent players will have it? Not all of them need a minimum level to pass the event and not all of them will have it at a good level?

[compact isle]

no, not all of them will have it. A good amount will if they've been playing for a decent amount of time

[tall dagger]

In addition to being an apex and the only ones that counter the gryganthi

[compact isle]

you're missing the fact that people put in time and resources to get apexes like gryganyth

unlocking an apex requires a grind

[tall dagger]

In short, semi-veterans, simply and that's it.

[compact isle]

playing for several months to a year or two isn't a veteran

[tame rover]

JC is gonna do whatever they want, so what if they give a free apex(if you can make it to the last battle and win), they was feeling generous for the holidays and that’s perfectly fine, the game will rebalance itself

[compact isle]

being a holiday isn't an excuse imo

apexes should just never be available in islas, as simple as that. My opinion

[tall dagger]

And I haven't said that it's not a complicated job but this apex still has counters

[tame rover]

Any other game would do the exact same thing, it’s a perfect reason

[compact isle]

name its counters (not other apexes)

[compact isle]

again, I disagree with that reason. There are plenty of other things they could have given away rather than this

it'd be like me requesting a thousand bucks for my birthday/christmas simply due to the time

[tall dagger]

It's the same, it doesn't matter

[compact isle]

seriously couldn't give me any in that amount of time?

I'll help you out here: nomingia and dracovenator can do pretty good against it

but see, again, that's not the point I'm trying to make. Even pushing aside that it's oppressive in lower arenas (this isn't even a debate but rather fact)

[tall dagger]

si lo sabes por que quejarse de que lo den gratis todos tienen esos únicos

[compact isle]

the big issue that I personally have as a veteran is the cost of resources required to make apexes, meanwhile other players just get it for free

I don't have a problem with things being given out for free, they do that with uniques and it's nice

[tall dagger]

Yes, I know it's hard to create them because I'm creating one, I know the effort, but I just said that for once having some advantage doesn't hurt.

[compact isle]

you're not really countering what I'm saying here

I'll restate again, I'm just not a fan of free apex handouts. As simple as that

you should have to work towards fusing for an apex. I should have to, we all should

[quick saddle]

y'all acting as if this is free giveaway yk how many people can't pass this isla? there's so many who failed even with big dinos because they can't really use them, those who got it deserve it because they know how to play a challenge many struggle because healers don't exist you can't abuse your maxed dilo here so you simply fail

[compact isle]

again, it's not about the amount that could beat it. I never said everyone has it

it's that all it takes is beating the isla, regardless of how difficult it is. That's still way easier than getting dna over months to unlock said apex

[tall dagger]

Then it's not worth it because it's because of your tastes

[quick saddle]

yk people who can unlock said apex are also same who are close to getting it or at least at level where they are able to get apex DNA not specifically Gryganyth but others

[compact isle]

exactly. I even said from the get go 'in my opinion'

[tall dagger]

I mentioned that but it's not worth continuing.

[compact isle]

a bit confused by your point here, it doesn't counter what I'm saying at all. As I said before, way easier to beat an isla than work months towards an apex

[quick saddle]

also let's be fair 70% of grinders are paying people who hate that they can't abuse their stuff to lower levels anymore that's the complain I see here lower arenas have it good

[compact isle]

that is just not true at all, there are many f2p who have played for a while and unlocked gryganyth

[quick saddle]

I said 70%

[compact isle]

exactly, you're wrong

majority of people who have gryganyth are likely f2p

statistically speaking, people who spend money on a game are not the majority

[quick saddle]

I don't think a single shores player is f2p

[compact isle]

also, you think f2p should be on the same level as p2w?

[tall dagger]

Let's just stop arguing about this ridiculousness, everyone can do whatever they want.

[quick saddle]

when did I ever say that

[compact isle]

it's a discussion post, nothing wrong with voicing our opinions

[quick saddle]

thing is that was done with gemD and nothing happened no Lower arena complained even tho same reaction happened

mort and ref and haast too

[compact isle]

you're bringing up people who pay as if it's a point, it's not

I'd like to play devil's advocate on your points for a second. Sure, a lower level player unlocking gryganyth can be insanely beneficial since it's a really good creature.

BUT, one problem.

Let's say other people in their arena also obtain it. Then they deal with it in all of their battles as well, including the ones where they don't draw their gryganyth

this is not comparable to when they handed out geminideus for free, as that was already way out of the top 10. Keep in mind gryganyth is the 2nd best creature

[quick saddle]

even top 1 you can't get base 26 to face boosted 30s and expect it to be unstoppable force

[tall dagger]

I didn't say it was bad but anyway this is ridiculous.

[compact isle]

not once did I compare base 26 to 30

even if you compare lvl 26 gryg to any other lvl 26, it's still the 2nd best creature. Doesn't change that

[quick saddle]

lower arenas have level 30s that's the thing y'all are missing you underestimate aviary players

[compact isle]

I'm not missing that at all, already knew this

[quick saddle]

exactly my point then

30s boosted can put fight vs 26 unboosted

[compact isle]

believe me, as someone who has played since 2019, I know about droppers. Just haven't bothered mentioning them because it's not relevant to my point

and again

as much as you want to argue it's not a huge deal for pvp, have I not stated several times my main problem with it?

[quick saddle]

well they should be because tell you what the person who made this thread was having plan with his friends to drop and nuke aviary players with "cheat death" ability so the guy is upset because Gryganyth can shut everything down for him

[compact isle]

I think people should have to work for it by gathering dna from hunting/events and fuse for it. Not from a single isla event

that is the only point I'm using as it's more of a personal opinion one. I just think people who beat a single isla don't deserve a full apex unlock

the smet isla event was fine. Gave a ton of dna for those who were already working towards it. Gryg on the other hand, tons of people who didn't even start fusing had it unlocked

[quick saddle]

well one thing I should bring up is that other apexes are completely unused because stupid tournament restrictions so Gryganyth can at least make more people participate and actually help their alliance by little instead of getting bullied around thing about lower arenas just give it week and it will be back to normal since those who got Gryganyth will climb up and even it will help them win more to get more recourses for other apexes

[compact isle]

I will repeat again my point is not about pvp/tournament battles so that's not really what I care about

[quick saddle]

and I said tournament

[compact isle]

but I do get what you're trying to say

fixed it.

[quick saddle]

well if it isn't about pvp or tournament then there's no damage to have it for free lol since majority of complain here is for pvp

[compact isle]

I know that

hence me saying it's more of a personal opinion rather than any damage being done

[quick saddle]

also let's just say they got it for free if they can't level it they won't use it, I mean gemd got that treatment

[compact isle]

no?

[quick saddle]

for those who can grind for it that's just big help and those who don't it's just trophy sitting there

[compact isle]

gryg at lvl 26 is more usable than even max uniques. Just objectively false

[lilac ore]

i still think the fix for the tourney issue is having commons available in every tourney...

[quick saddle]

gemd was given for free at it's peak so it's literally exact same situation how is it false?

[compact isle]

commons and rares should always be available imo (unless it's a common only tournament then no rares obv)

[compact isle]

it was not at its peak...geminideus was given out when it was already out of the top 10

[quick saddle]

nop it was there in top I saw people use it alot

[compact isle]

fact check: geminideus was given out Jun 12, 2024. Checked, and geminideus was not relevant in june

if it was relevant I would have had it on my team at the time, or at least would have recently removed it (I didn't)

[quick saddle]

below shores it was great

and I saw flood of them in aviary but yk they can't use it soooooo

[compact isle]

I didn't say it was bad. But you're saying it's the exact same situation. It's not, and I'm just trying to correct the false claim

it was not even a top 10 creature when it was handed out. Gryg is currently #2

[quick saddle]

well ig nerf coming so

also Gryganyth isn't that hard to farm for anyway just giga

[compact isle]

true but still much different from beating a single isla

[quick saddle]

meh takes big skill to beat this isla so yea I say deserved

also it's December they feeling generous

[compact isle]

agree to disagree

[quick saddle]

most games give big rewards anyway

[compact isle]

already stated my thoughts about those points earlier, so I'm just gonna move on and end it at this disagreement

[quick saddle]

we will see this happening next year when they put... idk whatever new toys they will add

magnaraptor is my MVP he will carry me through this Gryganyth spam

[compact isle]

magna has been carrying me against gryg in shores

[flat cloud]

Brooo getting unique is too easy theese days

Back on the day in 2017 you had to grind very hard just to get unique. Now you can get it from 1 level to unique in less than 1 month

[tame rover]

Even a week with luck

Or two

[quick saddle]

mate I don't think they are mad they are happy because well that's leveled up Gryganyth 😂

you could say those who T5ed Gryganyth

I was 290/300 but this isla made it that my Gryganyth can be 28 so I'm not mad at all

[slender nest]

The point is that they fused and worked hard for a dino that was given to everybody, not the benefits of only themselves.

At least we got magnaraptor to kill these grygs tho

[quick saddle]

actually that just saves them DNA they can work to have bigger Giga if they want because that's alot of Giga dna saved or those who ran out of DNA that's just benefit for them so you just overreacting it

but the T5 ones I could see them be mad

[compact isle]

they aren't overreacthing though

also working on giga is completely irrelevant to this. You're talking about an apex vs an epic which has been losing relevance in the epic format. Wow, so useful to level up

[slender nest]

I was about to say what does giganoto have to do with this lol

[quick saddle]

epic advantage tournaments (if they frickin stop restrictions) level 30 Giga is more useful than you think it's still top epic

[compact isle]

it's not more useful than I think, wrong

[slender nest]

Useful against high level omegas in the tournaments, totally…

[compact isle]

think of giving out apexes in islas like giving everyone a medal/trophy for participating. The medal/trophy is no longer special

apexes are endgame creatures, meanwhile lvl 12+ have unlocked gryganyth from the event

and keep in mind, you can't even do apex raids until lvl 18. Really shows what happened to the balancing

[compact isle]

fr giga is a free kill in epic tournaments for me now

[slender nest]

Just gets oneshotted by sinraptors and yutys now

[quick saddle]

yea Giga is tanky and deals big damage

[compact isle]

also has zero distraction resistance

mediocre abilities, and slow as hell

meanwhile giganspinosaurus has more bulk, more damage output, a useful swap in, etc.

and omegas too are all better. There are better things to invest in for epic tournaments than giganotosaurus. The scorpions too are even better

[quick saddle]

well ig it was top players teams for no reason then sorry to see it being popular with people like IDGT and others

[slender nest]

There’s literally nothing it can do against a sinraptor that does 8k damage and reduces the gigas damage

[quick saddle]

anything loses when it comes against something that counters it

[compact isle]

if top players were using it, free wins for me I guess. Lvl 30 giga isn't doing anything to rativates

[quick saddle]

so by your logic Gryganyth sucks because magnaraptor kills it

[compact isle]

nice fallacy.

[slender nest]

Even my oloro kills level 30 gigas easily

[compact isle]

the difference is, giganotosaurus has MANY counters. He just listed one

[slender nest]

I should probably keep going too

[compact isle]

if you'd like we can list 10+ counters

[quick saddle]

so does Gryganyth

[compact isle]

gryganyth has a few relevant ones, not many. Also, we're talking about epic format here

[quick saddle]

epic formate mentions omegas

[compact isle]

also keep in mind the omegas that counter it can also be used in other rarities unless banned from the format. In that case, they are way better options to invest in

[quick saddle]

pure epic

[compact isle]

when was the last pure epic tournament

[slender nest]

Nobody needs to invest in epics anymore, omegas dominate every tournament below apex

[quick saddle]

also most people have level 20 stuff so yes level 30 giga beneficial it can easily land you high not top of top but higher than 60% of people that's good rewards

[slender nest]

There was one singular tourney without omegas and they never did it again

[compact isle]

my point exactly.

[quick saddle]

and not even giga alone you can invest in other ingredients

[compact isle]

so you'd be investing in giga for pure epic tournaments, which would be around maybe once a year

[quick saddle]

grypo is good unique

[compact isle]

and that ignores the fact you'd be better off investing in gigantspinosaurus

[compact isle]

outclassed by gryganyth. If you have gryganyth on your team, there is little reason to run both unless you're a low level player

[slender nest]

Gigantspino can actually hold its own in omega tourneys, way better option

[quick saddle]

...

[slender nest]

No reason to level giganyx too

[compact isle]

can you form a response rather than "..." please

makes it hard to discuss things

[quick saddle]

I said good "unique" nothing about Gryganyth mentioned or apex

[compact isle]

correct but you're talking about it saving grypolyth dna if you beat the gryganyth isla to unlock it, hence me mentioning gryg as you already mentioned it actually

[slender nest]

There’s no reason to use uniques over the meta apexes anyway. Just use the dna for gryg.

[quick saddle]

yea if you get Gryganyth then you can invest dna for grypo level up maybe that 300 got you max Gryganyth

[quick saddle]

not everything is meta meta meta meta

[slender nest]

Again, no reason to run both if you already use gryg

[quick saddle]

and I'm not talking about running both

[compact isle]

again, as someone who maxed gryg through actual effort and not getting 300 dna from a single isla, not a fan of this

people can call me selfish all they want, but I prefer when progression is equal. Not things handed on a silver platter. I don't sugar coat things

[slender nest]

I had a maxed gryg too before this, not interested in these handouts.

[compact isle]

and that's not even me taking into mind that lower arenas are plagued with gryg now

think about it this way. You're a lower level player (around 12-13) and get gryganyth, which gives you a huge boost for your team. All your opponents get gryg as well. Are you really gaining anything here?

[slender nest]

No, if anything it just becomes whoever gets gryg in their lineup wins, which makes PvP even worse and more rng dependent

[compact isle]

correct if you don't draw gryg and your opponent does, good luck. Not many good counters for it outside of the meta

[quick saddle]

it's just progression speed up y'all I mean they give stuff for any player who pays a level 1 player can get apexes if they paid enough so idk why hate for supporting f2p but not much said when they release stuff in shop I mean there's thread about it but nothing much said to it won't those apexes in shop harm Lower levels too? won't they cause issues?

[compact isle]

before you say it's not that bad, there's actually evidence of it. It's the entire reason sah panthera was nerfed. Very hard to counter in lower arenas where a bunch of people started getting it

now imagine with gryg, who is way harder to counter, and more available now

[compact isle]

kinda selfish to think of it this way, if you ask me. F2ps have unlocked gryg before this isla, and some have even maxed it

also, if someone pays money in a game then they do deserve an advantage. That's the entire point of why they'd feel inclined to spend in the first place

[quick saddle]

a thread like this wasn't opened when gem and mort and haast and ref were handed out why? because maxed out players don't care because those weren't relevant but in low levels? they will wreck everything it's just you people just think about it being bad when it's something you care about but it's not big deal when it's something that's not good

[compact isle]

you're also kind of twisting my point because I never said I'm against them giving progression towards apexes, I'm against them straight up giving an apex

[slender nest]

Then for their hard work to be put for nothing as everyone else unlocks it. Also don’t reply with “oh but they can level it up” because they can, but the fact still stands that they all unlocked it leaving those f2ps with a slightly stronger creature that everyone now has.

[compact isle]

sorry, but this is an invalid point to make against me. I don't make the threads, and therefore you can't claim the "you people" statement. Also another fallacy

[slender nest]

There was no reason for a thread for those creatures, because they were already out of the meta.

[quick saddle]

exactly see?

[alpine plank]

Well the title does say meta apexes

[quick saddle]

if Gryganyth wasn't meta nothing would have been said

[compact isle]

and what's your point

[quick saddle]

gem was still hovering in meta amd nothing said

weak but still there

[slender nest]

Point is…?

[compact isle]

liar. This is just a flat out lie

ohhh because you didn't see any post here, you automatically assume no one cared they handed out geminideus. How "smart" of you

meanwhile, tens of people were complaining about it elsewhere in other jwa servers

[lost snow]

Hey, I was wondering why does the Current isla event gives argentinosaurus instead of dreadnoughtus, did they got confused because they look identical?

[alpine plank]

Apexes shouldnt be given out so easily end of story

[compact isle]

they replaced dread for argentino and didn't make any sort of announcement

which is extremely annoying

[slender nest]

Reason: greed

[quick saddle]

new legendary sucks too

I unlocked it and it's terrible

[slender nest]

Waste of scelido dna

[compact isle]

but anyways. I'm not sure if you saw demon but I'm actually opposed to them even giving out mortem too

as stated before, I don't really care how meta an apex is. Point being that apexes shouldn't be easy to unlock

[alpine plank]

I forgot about this.. have they ever made a statement on this?

[slender nest]

Giving out any apexes from Islas in general is really a bad idea

[quick saddle]

I didn't see that many talk about it plus Gryganyth isla ended anyway and not many people unlocked it I saw alot of fails in Reddit

[compact isle]

you can say the isla event is difficult, but still lvl 12s and 13s were able to get 300 or even just 270 dna. Way too much for their level

[quick saddle]

300 understandable

270 is useless lol

[compact isle]

keep in mind, a lot of those fails were due to the boss. Most at least got 270, even new players

[slender nest]

No matter how easy or hard it is it’s still an unfair way of unlocking a dino you shouldn’t have

[compact isle]

270 is weeks of stocking up on dna for most people

[alpine plank]

I wasnt around for when they started giving out apexes from islas but I sure wouldve been against it

[compact isle]

even if a new player has to wait a while to get the last 30, it saves them weeks of progression

[quick saddle]

it's not gonna help lower level because that does nothing until they get ingredients for it and in this case they will be high enough for it

[compact isle]

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on apex raids being a level 18 requirement?

[alpine plank]

Crazy because all of Aviary - Library is just the apexes they gave out

[slender nest]

My gryg took about 2 months of fusing even after getting both to level 25

[compact isle]

it does help them, as I already stated. So I'm gonna disregard this

[quick saddle]

you read 1st 2 words ignored the rest

[compact isle]

correct.

[quick saddle]

exactly so read it fully then

[compact isle]

all I read was "not gonna help" to understand

it does help when even if they still need to level up the components, once they do, they're basically set to unlock it

[quick saddle]

ok so they will be at correct level to have it

[compact isle]

it cuts on nearly half the total required dna of the components from leveling up components to unlocking

doesn't matter what level they are, it still saved them a month and practically handed it out

[slender nest]

That’s all it takes to know if someone knows what they’re saying or not. Fusing the creatures takes just as long as leveling the creatures to their fusing levels.

[compact isle]

270 dna is still a free apex regardless of if they have components ready for the last fuse or not

[quick saddle]

so leveling up creature takes same time as fusing ok so here's the thing fusion is RNG so imagine someone getting 3 100 fusion still takes same time?

[compact isle]

and how many people do you know who have gotten 3 100 fusions near back to back

[slender nest]

Name someone who got those and ill believe you

[compact isle]

if the number of people is any more than zero, I'm calling cap 😂

[quick saddle]

I said mathematically possible Ik someone who got 2 50s back to back so

[compact isle]

statistically, the odds of that are like winning the lottery. Therefore it's not a valid point

[slender nest]

So am I lol

[compact isle]

it's also mathematically possible to get a 100 every fuse a billion times in a row

that's not a point. If anything, you're acknowledging it sounds ridiculous and doesn't happen

if someone gets lucky fuses, good for them. Most of us have had that happen occasionally

[quick saddle]

fusion is still RNG you can get any number so it takes less time to level up ingredients

coins and DNA

[compact isle]

if this is supposed to be a counter argument, it's not a valid one

[quick saddle]

it wasn't for you it was for killer

[compact isle]

also, while fusing is rng

it typically averages out. Meaning we can statistically expect a similar amount of time for players to max an apex

of course, there are outliers. But outliers aren't relevant enough to argue against an average

meanwhile, islas work completely differently. It's not an rng sort of progression and does not require dna for each attempt, it's simply battles

your connection of the two is not valid

in the same way someone should earn their own money by having a job, a player should earn fusions as well. Through progression from hunting, weekly events, tournaments, and isla events that could hand out a bit of the component dna

this is how a fair system works. Had to tie economics into this to get my point across

[slender nest]

No point in saying anything else because trex explained it. There’s no rng in islas, and you’re garunteed the dna. Fusing requires your “lucky rng” which averages out so it’s pointless.

Gotta leave, take care

[magic tendon]

Just saw the entire argument, as person with a level 27 Gryganyth befote the isla, the isla IS HORRIBLE FOR LOW ARENAS

Nothing should justify them giving out 300 dna of a meta apex, let alone any apex hybrid

They should have added level requirements for these apex unlock islas at the very least since it seems that they have not learned much, lvl 18+ as this will not make the lower arenas as bad(not stopping aviary from getting obliterated)

Btw anyone who defends these isla hand outs probably don’t want to invest in apexes and the time to obtain them

[proper stump]

Better yet don't allow apexs in the arena at all

[sinful haven]

Definitely

[alpine plank]

good luck with that

[quick saddle]

if ludia were bit more generous with exclusive DNA then I would agree but most exclusive things are just dead took them long enough to have cerato given to us, waiting for DNA to come for weeks or even months that's not grinding that's just pay or wait until whatever you are working on becomes irrelevant then you can work on it I mean dread was removed from islas for absolutely no reason... for something that spawns on the map the only true grinding is just coins and me waiting for ludia to do something about DNA

[magic tendon]

They could just give us components like the skmet isla event as new players will not be able to level them easily and it allows people who can a great jump start for the apex. I agree that Jamidia has been making too many apexes have exclusive components or making components exclusive but an isla event like the Gryganyth is terrible.

Apexes are not meant for new, level 1-17 players , they are meant to be a great achievement to grind for(yes the apexes becoming useless/irrelvant is a problem).

[quick saddle]

I would say 250 DNA is enough but if it's terrible for "someone" because apparently speeding progress is bad when old players grinded "which idk what sense that makes the game grows super fast" but full unlock maybe too much but then again they feeling generous for Christmas month ig but this isla helped me get it to 28 I was so close to unlocking it if it wasn't for grypo "ik I can dart that" and giga

give Gryganyth like 2 months and it will fall to hole no one will ask about

[magic tendon]

Gryganyth atm has no place to go unless they want the meta to fall apart 🤣

That isla was probably just a way to trap players with speedy pvp progression but overall makes it harder for players to progress long term and incentivizes them to buy those terrible offers

[quick saddle]

also about your point of aviary I can safely tell you they are fine alot of good dinos are used I'm tere and I see ptors sahs magnaraptors (I have one my own) and many good things it's not indoraptors anymore

[magic tendon]

Those dinos should not be down there😅

[quick saddle]

they are I can literally show you whenever I battle

[magic tendon]

Ptors and Sahs lose to Gryganyth if both players are intelligent

[quick saddle]

I have magnaraptor myself and I faced with level 28-30 sahs

[quick saddle]

intelligent and aviary words don't belong in one sentence and I'm expert on that not when it comes to raids tho

[magic tendon]

🤣

Well the damage is done and we can’t do anything about that

[quick saddle]

true but at least I got my Gryganyth to level 28 so no one says I used isla only 👀

[quick saddle]

well tbf kinda is big brain play from them give giga for free annoy players they look up whay counters they see magnaraptor and spend money on it
I respect their play because they know low levels won't spend money on top apexes

[north citrus]

You got it!

[quick saddle]

this is just funny not to share

[raven sail]

crazy how a guy with nominrex is talking

[trail acorn]

I think its called a joke that what the person is saying how Isla events giving away an meta apex and it being so far down with mostly like the person with the Nomirex has a team full of meta apex’s

[quick saddle]

from his replies no he's actually mad about it which is hypocrite because he's dropping to get easy wins and mad that Gryganyth can put a fight against him

it's not called a joke it's "I'm terrible against people my level and now I can't get easy win"

[trail acorn]

Ok yeah that makes more sense then what I said

[unkempt gale]

crazy ppl drop that far

[lost snow]

we should also talk about the fact they used to make relevant hybrid pursuit for the upcoming apex, hybrid pursuit giveaways component for the upcoming apex. But nowadays it doesn't feel the same anymore

Like for example every people on this game has trivial amount of wolly rhino, suggesting hybrid pursuit should host a monolomoth components

[neat pecan]

the pursuits are sorted by release date

so either Concatoloch, Draco Lux or Sah Panthera will get a pursuit next I think