Brawl Has Been Ruined

[void whale]

When brawl first came out, I praised it for being a new way to get rewards, especially items that were normally locked behind paywalls (exclusive DNA, catalysts, etc.). Now two and a half months later, the core gameplay is still exactly the same with the only difference being extremely poor rewards. The most egregious is perhaps the catalysts which went from 500 crests = 150 bronze to 1500 crests = 50 bronze. What was the point of “listening to player feedback” and “adjusting brawl” when all actions are the exact opposite of what the players want? Disappointed, but not surprised.

[dim plinth]

The old brawl shop was quite strong, a nerf is understandable, and i think the structure is good (just need better creatures that hopefully season 3 has)

Catalysts is still better got through brawl than normally too, and the skin grand prize is cool

[void whale]

A slight nerf might have been understandable, but the current shop is trash. A complete waste of time to even grind brawl at all

[shadow sequoia]

Not just nerfed it though they've killed it. 50 catalysts gets you not even 1/7 of the way to T1

[dim plinth]

And coins was commonly asked for

[void whale]

There’s no world in which 50 bronze that used to be ~167 crests should not cost 10x more 1500 crests 😂

[past fern]

i guess i'll have to repeat myself with the matchmaking

brawl now has it's own trophy system so it shouldn't be as bad eventually

[dim plinth]

I disagree, even without useful creatures, the coins is nice, and next season may have better creatures and i suspect the catalyst type will shuffle

[void whale]

Sure I’ll take that, but you can’t deny the new shop rewards are pitiful

[past fern]

it's useful for me so i don't mind

[dim plinth]

Compared to before ya, but they aren't horrible

[void whale]

Maybe shuffle to 50 gold for 5000 catalyst

[dim plinth]

Better than 1500 legendary dna for 100

[shadow sequoia]

Tbf they only want you to play brawl for a whole week straight if you want a T1 unqiue 😎

[dim plinth]

That's the only issue i hate, its 2 days a week

Otherwise a week for a end game item is kinda understandable

[void whale]

Nothings new then 😂

[deep void]

It's getting us 1 step closer to finding a new Game! Period it's Absolute garbage

[dim plinth]

I admit it as someone who loved the catalyst opportunity, it was OP as heck before

[void whale]

At this point it’s a toss up, I can easily grind 1500 Indom DNA in the same time

[shadow sequoia]

Also the roster is 💩 most of them are new creatures with some sort of exclusive

Why they use the legendary class is beyond me. Its possibly the worst balenced rarity.

[deep void]

No it wasn't it was fair for all the grief and headache to even win 1 brawl battle as a Non paying player this game has become a Flatout Joke!

[dim plinth]

Was completely off, its 40, even worse

I miss my 1500 indom and 15k coins already

[void whale]

That’s speaks to more of a problem of how broken the recombination feature is right now, not how we should scale brawl rewards

[dim plinth]

(Yknow its quite ironic that was my first ever combination despite having a t4 ref)

[dim plinth]

True, but that doesn't seem to be changing, so we at least gotta hope for a better option

[void whale]

They might do apex only next

[shadow sequoia]

Wouldn't surprise me or they make it a feature where you have to pay 💸 to get into a match

[void whale]

100 hard cash per match

[dim plinth]

That would ruin it

[foggy adder]

Brawl is straight trash now.

[pulsar gate]

People saying the rewards are good because they need coins, but then brawl chests don't even give coins like PVP incs do. And the number of crests you get per inc, when converted to coins, is less than pvp incs too

[dim plinth]

The incubators have never been good, especially with the time to open, if you care enough about them, do pvp first before doing your 10 brawl wins

[foggy adder]

Don't they not give boosts either

[foggy adder]

They were absolutely fine before. Especially when you cash open incs consistently

[hoary tundra]

Jam city’s dedication to ruin this game never ceases to amaze me

[pulsar gate]

My point is, its not very beneficial coins wise lol

For anyone to argue the rewards are fine is kind of ridiculous.

I can't imagine anyone investing into creatures for brawl now, which should be jam city's end game anyway

[hoary tundra]

It’s probably the same group of people who think Concatoloch and Skoonametrodon have great designs

[dim plinth]

You do you, 20k coins a day assuming the limit resets, or 2000 a day after once is worth doing a better matchmaking brawl on, especially since it's extra (as mentioned you can still play pvp to fill up on pvp incubators first)

The creatures could be better but there's always next season

[dim plinth]

I never saw a reason, either way nothing is stopping you from doing it

[foggy adder]

Just because you don't see a reason does not speak for the community. There are absolutely things from stopping me, like the fact that there aren't boosts and coins.

[dim plinth]

If they removed them from pvp then that's a seperate problem

You can only hold 4 incubators, 1 opening at a time, usually 3 hours or more, so you can easily do your pvp to get those incubators then do your 10 brawl wins and max out on crests

[hoary tundra]

The fact that datamined stuff is actually better than what’s in game. Did they see how ppl reacted to datamine and decided to make it worse before the actual relaunch of brawl

[dim plinth]

Overall the structure is there just need better creatures

[foggy adder]

You have your opinion, it may be wrong but you can have it 🤣.

[dim plinth]

I mainly think people are overreacting, it did disappoint me because of the creature selection and its nerfed more than expected, but its not nerfed enough to ruin brawl

[past fern]

Can we just

Let people have their own opinion, thanks

[pulsar gate]

Brawl sucks now, I think I've seen only one person say otherwise so far

[shadow sequoia]

Trophy system working for balenced matchmaking. Love the lv28 panther that one shots all my creatures.

[dim plinth]

Don't forget it will take time for people to reach their true elo

[past fern]

^

[shadow sequoia]

So instead of fixing matchmaking you have to loose a ton of matches. To even have a chance of an actual fair playing field. All that to get 5k coins. Yeah sod that 😂

[dim plinth]

No, the problem is rn everyone almost is the same elo, so the lv 30 players matchmaking with lv 16s, in time those lv 30s will gain elo and the 16s/20s will fight lv 16s/20s mostly

Way better than basing on arena, after the time tics

[past fern]

"Yeah bro I hate being positive, how did you know?"

[runic tinsel]

Yeah I have a lot of issues with the new format
Matchmaking is not one of them

The roster needs expanding to make gameplay less braindead
The shop needs improving
Maybe make it last longer each week

[past fern]

i like the new format way more

Because this time it isn't "if you face doe, you lose"

[runic tinsel]

I've had no issues with matchmaking after the first few matches

[shadow sequoia]

I would be, but being positive about this game mode ain't it. When you get 5k coins faster by spinning stops than winning a couple of matches is 💩

[runic tinsel]

First few were also right after launch for context

[runic tinsel]

Get Baja or Pyro then

[dim plinth]

I wouldn't mind better rewards the point Is its not really as bad as its portrayed

[runic tinsel]

The catalysts are bad

The others are alright
Could be better

[shadow sequoia]

Can't be serious, what pyro which you can get by global spawns and baja which you can get dna from the raid 😅

[runic tinsel]

Shouldn't be as good as the original reward

[dim plinth]

Especially hate that there's so many "brawl sucks, brawl is ruined, delete brawl"

[past fern]

yeah, the original rewards were WAY too generous

[runic tinsel]

Pyro leads to Pyrorixis and Rajadorixis
Baja leads to Proton
Makes sense

Can't forget Tyrannomat

[shadow sequoia]

Neither you can use in the game mode and both require coin + boostes to use 😂

[runic tinsel]

Pyrosuchus is in brawl

Not a great option but it's there

[pulsar gate]

Would love to see the negatives of the original rewards? If there was no downside, then no reason to change em

[runic tinsel]

500 Oloro for 500 crests was nuts

[shadow sequoia]

And waste the DNA you buy to get a decent lv rather than the apex 😂

[past fern]

i mean to be fair, they did warn y'all

[runic tinsel]

Just use it on the apex

[pulsar gate]

Didn't ask what was nuts, I asked for a negative?

[runic tinsel]

That's the negative

It was too much for the price

[pulsar gate]

Please explain when the same was available to all players

[past fern]

people maxed out oloro in like, 2 weeks i think?

[runic tinsel]

J2 got it in just about a month

[past fern]

now it shouldn't be THAT quick

[runic tinsel]

For context
It takes a year to max SpinoA I think

[shadow sequoia]

Also people who used catalysts for buck and Doe, boostes and coin for indo g2 all for them to be cut out of roster and replaced with new creatures which are event exclusives 😎

[pulsar gate]

So what? Are players or the developers negatively affected by it? No, so it's not a downside

[runic tinsel]

Yeah the roster is an issue

They need to open it up and add more rarities

[pulsar gate]

There's plenty of creatures that can maxed in a month just from hunting also

[runic tinsel]

16 creatures leads to braindead play

That's an easy fix though
Just give me all the creatures I like but everyone else uses the original roster

[dim plinth]

Ah ya, reward balancing isn't important

I do think it was nerfed too much, but it wasn't nerfed to where there's no point to do brawl

[pulsar gate]

I'm still waitng on how anyone was negatively affected from the original rewards

[runic tinsel]

Also the rewards were so good that you were basically forced to invest some into doe

[open ingot]

99% of them arent close to as busted as oloro tho, omega rewards def needed a nerf. But yeah you cant really call that a downside

[runic tinsel]

I wanted to go all catalysts but everyone who went doe had an advantage due to stupid matchmaking

Which is fixed with how it is now

[pulsar gate]

I agree, but I think you see my point lol

[dim plinth]

Players was spoiled, it made people devalue lesser rewards, and devalued purchases of those things even if they where otherwise worth it

[runic tinsel]

I think reducing the crests for Tmat slightly could work

[dim plinth]

I went all catalysts but I admit I was lucky, glad that matchmaking is fixed better though

[runic tinsel]

Going all catalysts meant I couldn't actually win as many matches because my doe was not as good

It was so easy to get it to a good level from brawl

[dim plinth]

I understand, just I never had issues, even towards the end lv 19 doe was fine

I just wish I made sure I maxed out all I needed for ref

[runic tinsel]

I got a good win streak in the all afflict format but that's from sheer gambling

[open ingot]

you can only go so low with rewards, slashing catalyst rewards by 90% and putting a limit on them is way too far, its not really about being spoiled

[shadow sequoia]

Also with the old catalyst price you still had to grind to unlock the levels. Nothing wrong with the old catalyst price especially when T3 and T4 are a joke on unqiue creatures.

[runic tinsel]

The catalyst changes are definitely the worst bit

[dim plinth]

If i could change the shop, I'd remove the limits, probably change the creatures to esclusives, sinraptor as the omega, probably cut the catalyst down to the datamine price (which is still less op but not as horrible) and make brawl every day

[dim plinth]

Catalysts was definitely cut too far, although I'd still say it's better than recombination

[shadow sequoia]

Just shows how the company treat f2p, especially with the release of continental apexs practically forcing players to buy the apex or spend over a year grinding the legendary raid.

[open ingot]

recombination is a really low bar lol

[runic tinsel]

No idea what the recombination rates are

[open ingot]

75k common and 15k coin for 80 bronze iirc

[runic tinsel]

Oh.

That's awful

[dim plinth]

I think if the rewards wasn't as bad the impact of the nerf wouldn't feel as bad it would feel a bit better

[dim plinth]

It definitely is, but its all we have and there seems to be no fixing it

(I'm just glad they aren't nerfing them enough that brawl isn't better)

[runic tinsel]

I need to level stuff for catalysts soon

I only want to et5 Poukan and Mcevia
But even then that's really difficult

[dim plinth]

I don't want to have to, I'm hoping brawl shuffles through the catalyst types

[shadow sequoia]

Shouldn't be a lv cap 💯

[open ingot]

true

too late to change that now tho

[shadow sequoia]

350k to get a creature from lv20 to 25 and you can only them once a day

[dim plinth]

I did my first ever combination today (despite a t4 ref) and i already miss the 15k coins and 1500 legendary dna

[shadow sequoia]

To use your 3 fusions over 1mil in coin just to trade 3 commons.

[shadow sequoia]

And how much do you need for T5?

[runic tinsel]

Is it still 75k legendary dna

[runic tinsel]

That's an enhancement issue more then a brawl issue really

[dim plinth]

I still need 400 more plus the silver 😔

[runic tinsel]

Good luck

[dim plinth]

No 1500 is equivalent apparently

[runic tinsel]

Oh ok
That makes things easier then

[dim plinth]

Still quite low for a good chunk of dna

And even worse the coins

I know there's better options by mixing in other raritys but not by much

[shadow sequoia]

Yeah to get T5 with 0 you would have to do that roughly 38 times 👀

Brawl was a good way for catalysts without it my poukan would still be T2 rather than T3 the only time ive gotten a T3 creature shows how much the catalyst system needed the brawl shop and now they have killed it.

Fair point about the omega dna I understand. But punish everybody else rather than fixing that one issue is a joke.

[dim plinth]

I liked it but I was worried they would remove it, as while it's not really that bad to the player, its unbalanced compared to other methods that jamcity is determined to keep

[valid isle]

I agree it's awful

[nocturne turtle]

I was looking forward to getting my gryganyth to ET2 from buying bronze catalysts in the shop, only to find out they are nine times as expensive as the ones in season one

[wary mortar]

Please do not give them an idea like that

[tawny veldt]

I love this... it's all I wanted.

[wintry citrus]

Where did you see this, or where was it stated?

[wintry citrus]

Hm. I’m not noticing it. I lost 5-6 in a row and the opponents didn’t get easier nor their dinos any smaller. If I go on that kind of a losing streak in 1v1 the opponent change is noticeable. Also had a server member get beat repeatedly by the same dropper, so he wasn’t going up either despite just destroying players way lower than him

[past fern]

to be fair you gotta remember that brawl just came back, and most players probably haven't been able to play yet

[wintry citrus]

Sure but if it’s an invisible trophy system we should still be going up and down among those of us playing

[runic tinsel]

we do

expect it to take a bit for players to reach their expected trophies

[wintry citrus]

lol, but we only get 2 days a week

Guess I’ll try again Thursday and hope I can be more fairly matched

[stoic relic]

Just gimme 500 omega dna per incubator and I’ll be happy