Revert the rend fix in raids

[cold venture]

I feel dodge is always treated worse than shield, even though shield isn't RNG and invincible exists so often

[lofty crater]

People used to complain about dodge all the time cause there was no good creatures that could remove dodge
Now it's near everything can remove dodge

Everything that's meta

[red yacht]

oh the days when i had 4 boosted L30 sauropods on my arena team since everyone was running cunning, lol

[autumn abyss]

the days when dodge was 50/50 100% damage reduction or fail.

[cold venture]

Makes more sense ngl

[pale quartz]

I remember when Indoraptor gen2 came into the game

Her strike even cleansed her, but they removed that quickly

Poor fella is now useless

[cold venture]

Unless its brawl

Then it's concatoloch

[lofty crater]

2 Indolycan and 2 Sahs?

Can do big numbers with the group cloak and Sahs keep speed and damage down

[lofty crater]

Bro has this dodge

[ember adder]

R2 group nullification

[lofty crater]

Able to keep it's damage low that turn enough to get a cloak and a big hit and end it in one turn

[ember adder]

well what about R3?

counter cleanse damage reduction

[lofty crater]

Dodge

Both get dodge

Or 3 indolycans and 1 sah for speed control

Just throwing ideas out there that sound good on paper

[ember adder]

so no updates so far

[magic pawn]

Yep

@rotund stream u sure mattiodon cares what we even write here?

[rotund stream]

I'm 100% sure, however it seems like he hasn't been online for a while now, so maybe he's away? idk

[magic pawn]

That's not that long

[cold venture]

Maybe he did that just because that's part of his job

[magic pawn]

I mean maybe... but like

Is the player's happiness not important at all .... like are they just full on 10000% just into money?

Even jwtg gets a lot better treatment

[cold venture]

Kinda, haven't got a hybrid in a while, and amber is hard to get now

[magic pawn]

Yh but at least when there's a issue they with some glitch they fix it and give a compensation

[cold venture]

Ultimately I feel all we can do is wait, I wish we would get more info though

[magic pawn]

Im not saying they treat jwtg great but a lot better than jwa

[cold venture]

Tbf I feel they are good at giving compensation when they don't blame something on being intended

[magic pawn]

Short range? It took them like weeks to start giving a compensation which was still not even enough to replace it... and tbh it still ain't working as much as it used to...

Cause their "compensation" was filling up the shop

[cold venture]

They could have done more since it took even longer than that but the calendar was pretty nice, and while not direct compensation, the scent made me forget about it

[magic pawn]

Well most ppl didn't

[cold venture]

I think I remember them giving more for the short range issue but I don't remember exactly what

[cold venture]

And to that I say

[magic pawn]

They put 1 or 2 small calendars that barely gave anything

[cold venture]

Iirc they gave alot of coins, and at least a rexy scent

And some dracovenator

Was decent for the 1 or 2 weeks it was broken then

[magic pawn]

The price of the emote probably made many ppl pov use that emote xd

[rotund stream]

peak emote

[magic pawn]

Maybe if it at least worked like it used to now ppl would forget it... ||it doesn't||

[cold venture]

They are definitely alot rarer it feels

[magic pawn]

I used to see at least 4 a week and now? Im lucky if i see 1 a week

Yet ofc... jamcity: yh it's all good now we fixed it ur welcome

[cold venture]

At least the short range scent never ended

[magic pawn]

I'd say for a lot of ppl it's the one and only source of short range dna

[cold venture]

It's the best source definitely

[magic pawn]

Yh but i wouldn't call it a replacement

As before it used to be easier yet there weren't any scents

[cold venture]

If they where to revert to OG short range, but the scent disappears, id keep the scent ngl

[magic pawn]

well now with the new short range creatures i agree but with the previous nah

[cold venture]

Feels wierd when every short range spawn at worsr have always been available

[magic pawn]

?

[cold venture]

The scent has always included at least every short range

[magic pawn]

Yh but draco is nolonger a short range... dracovenator is just gone

[cold venture]

Ya

[magic pawn]

So i cant even get the apex flock

[rotund stream]

tbf they never said it would be on the map forever

[cold venture]

In fact it was implied to be Temperary

[smoky stump]

they just removed it at the worst time

[cold venture]

Nah sounds quite perfect to me, when a creature using it comes out soon as the #2 creature in the game with a nerf soon raising that to #1

[smoky stump]

makes you wonder why theres so many isla exclusives now

[magic pawn]

Yh ik but still they add a hybrid and update later say bye bye

[cold venture]

Makes sense, it's jamcity

Look at the dilo ingredients, and while we don't officially know if dilozorion is coming, this is a sign towards it

[magic pawn]

#stillHereStillMad

[short berry]

real

#reverttherendfixplz

[smoky stump]

I would still like this

[wise tide]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-titanic-gif-25999423

[magic pawn]

Fr

[haughty cipher]

Wait, it's still not fixed?

It's been 150 years

[rotund stream]

i mean, this strat works atleast

[cold kraken]

I'm pretty sure It doesn't

[rotund stream]

it does

@smoky stump Can you confirm it for me (soz for ping)

actually nvm, here's enough proof

[cold venture]

Why?

I've used this one too I think

[smoky stump]

yes this is good proof

[rotund stream]

yeah i forgot i had that pic

[cold kraken]

Oh

[magic pawn]

Yh but u need teammates who dont go afk and use their brain (it's hard to find lately)

[cold venture]

It's not for autofilling rn, just strat

[slim charm]

It is a modification of the strat i created back when it was 1st announced (4 lvl 21 ptor strat), if u saw Guilherme #4552 in the strat creator place it was me (my ign and tag)

[magic pawn]

yep

[soft laurel]

sooo spino raid is still pretty doable with ptors

would they revert the changes still?

[short berry]

the problem was never only about Spino

it was about the fix in general
there's a lot of raids that are way harder now because you can't use thylos or rend in them

[cold venture]

No they'll make it harder, as it was said the problem was ptor was so necessary for it

[cold venture]

Tbf spino is the only one that gets too hard with this change

[short berry]

Imperato raids also get affected by it

and that mf is HARD

well not as hard as Spino but you get what I mean

[cold venture]

Many got affected, but there is many fast no rend strats, and let's be honest, you where never gonna beat it autofill anyway

If spino A didn't exist I'd just say this is a annoyance

[ember adder]

I said it before and I will day it again

"Parasauthops"

it's impera worst nightmare

[tidal hazel]

the one that works faster apart from 2 sin and 2 sah is . 2 rexy's , 1 magnaraptor and 1 dilo

[magic pawn]

#stillHereStillMad

[zealous lodge]

grah

[soft laurel]

I swear after the rend changes spino A keeps spawning near my house and I dont have to go out for it...

[urban turtle]

Thanks for posting that 👍🏻 was able to beat it with the 4 panthers @rotund stream

[rotund stream]

told ya it works

[glossy halo]

I wish I could say the same, but I usually do it early Monday and Wednesday evening when somebody has early access to it

[cold venture]

Since nerf I've been trying to make sure I do

[rustic plaza]

So are they even thinking about changing it back to its origin state ???or are they just counting there money ?

[magic pawn]

Counting their money ig

[tidal hazel]

Ngl i was thinkin . So bc megalania has affliction aswell wonder how 2 sah and 2 ofc high lvl megalanias could go for spino raid

It will def need lots of hp and armor most likely to survive

But hey it can be a good experiment

[glossy halo]

Unlikely, though they will likely at some point adjust resistances, it’s been mentioned already

[glossy halo]

And it could stun if you lucky

[cold venture]

Megalania won't give enough DOT or distraction like sin would

[lament pivot]

it works, tried it 4 times and works perfectly each time

[cold venture]

Can tou share the strat? (2 sah 2 Megalania)

[lament pivot]

Not 2 mega, just one mega, one sin and 2 sah

[cold venture]

Intresting

[lament pivot]

Sorry I only read megalania and answered instinctively lol

but did try one sin, one mega and double sah and it works somewhat better than double sin and sah

[glossy halo]

What level for mega

Potential strat for me

[lament pivot]

Minimum 21, for the 4th move

[glossy halo]

Aw

Mines 15

But considering how much we get in weekly events it should not take long

[rustic plaza]

Yeah like 1 to a billion... you truly are fun 🤣

Nah seriously! Give us a break! You totely ruin this! Ludia createt this! And it was awesome! Then you train reck it ! Im putting out my tourth here ( have no clue how to spell that ) but a stick on fire ! I WANT redemption! That toad was so difficult to dart im starting to grow Grays !

[smoky stump]

torch

[rustic plaza]

Thank you 🤗✨👍🏻

[smoky stump]

I didn't find it that hard to dart
still unlikely that its going to show up much in events

I can still do the raid with the new Ptor strat
but lots can't who could previously

[cold venture]

Tbh a lv 21 ptor strat which we have really helps

[rustic plaza]

Oh whut was your high score ? 👀

[smoky stump]

163

I'm not great at darting omegas so I'm happy with that

[rustic plaza]

Hm

[smoky stump]

mines currently ready for L19
soon I'll be getting the rampage which is very nice

[cold venture]

I'm not that great at darting, but spino A I got more than 100 every time which is nice

[rustic plaza]

Well im very 😅 well...i think i did bad with a bit more 🫣

[cold venture]

Coins to 20

[smoky stump]

thats a whole 10k more then it usually would be
whats the point

[rustic plaza]

Give me 🤣

[cold kraken]

That thing is going to be a menace

[cold venture]

Not missing any week's plus that dart sesh helped

[cold kraken]

My aegy when I get it fully done on revenge it'll do 9k damage

Currently it's 14

[cold venture]

When done mine will have nearly 4k damage

[smoky stump]

this is the aim for L21

[rustic plaza]

I missed it alot both before and after the update 😭

[cold venture]

My final goal

[smoky stump]

L26

[rustic plaza]

I did get 220 + on all atemts

[smoky stump]

maxed and boosted

[cold venture]

At 21 it'll have this (boosts are behind though)

[smoky stump]

boosts are a big issue for me rn

[cold venture]

I have the hp set, just need attack

[smoky stump]

is expected when I'm changing up my team

not worth refunding stuff

[rustic plaza]

Refunding ?

@cold venture sry have to ask😅 but is that your cat ? That u use as your profile picture? 🥰

[cold venture]

It was a childhood cat that isn't with us anymore

[smoky stump]

my pfp is 100% actually my shark

[cold kraken]

This is what my idea is for Mine

[rustic plaza]

Must have ment a great deal for you ❤️ sry . It looks very cute 🥰

[cold venture]

Not a issue at all, thanks

[smoky stump]

anyway I've realised
which actually links back to the rend change when you think about it

we are at an era of the game where you need more resources then ever
but we are also in the era where resources are restricted the most

[cold kraken]

@cold venture what do you think about this

[smoky stump]

crit seems useless

[cold kraken]

Mine is going to be literally a glass cannon

[cold venture]

Glass cannon seems interesting

[smoky stump]

well
I see the use
but I think its better invested into health

[cold kraken]

Yeah it can kill basically anything but dies easily

[cold venture]

The counter really helps I feel

[cold kraken]

Plus the crit can make me do more damage

At least 10k

[smoky stump]

Several apexes per update, usually taking about 1 mill+ coin for the average player
all creatures need boosts to be used
these are becoming more restricted
so is dna as rend made raids more accessible and farmable
in general most important new creatures are exclusives
the same set of creatures lead to apexes

Mlion has 2 apexes
Conc has 2 apexes
Tenonto has 2 apexes
Rex has 2 apexes

[rustic plaza]

Yes they ceep release creatures with restrictions and dont UP our resources....then only the whales will be provided...( Seriously if i had that kind of money i would invest them in planet saving stuff , like solar cells and so on buy forrest and put a big fat NO NO sign on them for timper work 🤗😅)

[smoky stump]

Raja, Stygi, Carbo and probably some others also have the same issues

Coin is at the lowest its ever been
and its not like I don't try, I max drops every day, donate whenever I can, exhaust dbis

[cold venture]

Mlion has a poll apex that has a chance to come soon too, I feel concave isn't Finished either

[smoky stump]

wouldn't surprise me
they like to go as far as they can with these

[cold venture]

Trex as well

And yet, I still somehow get excited for new apexes lol

[rustic plaza]

Did you know that trees are now the new in danger species ? They cut them down in the dark !

[smoky stump]

oh how could I forget
isla exclusives
Scelido leads to a top 3 apex
Plateo leads to a top 10 apex
Dilorion could eventually be added

and they restricted the resources for them at the perfect time

[rustic plaza]

Farm Edmund and the common thing that looks like it edqua something 😅.there will be a apex
..

[rustic plaza]

Exactly!!!! Thats been my point all this time!

[cold venture]

And this is why I heavily disagree when people say to change the rewards instead of adding on to them

[smoky stump]

yeah

we need the dna
but we also need stuff ontop of the dna

[smoky stump]

100% they switch back the events once stuff starts releasing

[rustic plaza]

Stego where did you go ? Stego stego stego where did you go ?

[cold venture]

And In this case rightfully blame it on players feedback

[rustic plaza]

As if !

We all know thats a direct LIE !

Liedia.com 🤭

[zealous lodge]

vengeful devour rampage is the only reason i want spaghetti

[cold venture]

Worst part is it's not
#1285541607096975400 and a million like it

[smoky stump]

its annoying to see the same one with no extra reward

[rustic plaza]

Are you sure?

[cold venture]

Ya unfortunately, I hate it too as I get the reasoning, but it's gonna end up with these things becoming rare

[rustic plaza]

Yeah i warned my alliance.....i told them to hunt and stack up
...and now ....well whut can one say.... well they cant say i did not warn them..

[glossy halo]

It wouldn’t be bad if they reduced all resistances by 15-30 percent

[cold venture]

Make the first move not shatter, and remove damage reduction cleanse on the counter

[glossy halo]

Just changing it to armor bypass would be manageable

[magic pawn]

Still here still mad

[outer silo]

I can still win most raids with the same dinos I used before the nerf... it just takes too much time and with family and work I simply can't sit through such long (boring) battles. That's just about the only thing that changed. it takes too much time now.

[soft laurel]

I refuse to believe that jam city/ludia can just get away with a blatant lie that the rend in raids was always a bug and move on like nothing ever happened

[tranquil cave]

it was a bug since the introduction of raids, same for DoT. the question is why they fixed it now while nobody asked for it...

[magic pawn]

I'd say not only that but now if ur teammates are dumb/afk it's over

[magic pawn]

It was?!

[outer silo]

Sure, I agree. But that still happened before as well. The risk is far greater now, though.

[magic pawn]

If u played well and had a bit of boosts u could do it in 3 ppl before

[haughty cipher]

still no fix?

[magic pawn]

Why ofc not

[magic pawn]

"Why would u even want a fix it's all fine and no one is complaining" - jamcity fr fr
"If there's a creature issue just buy some of the meta dinos. They are super cheap" - jamcity fr fr

[cold kraken]

Why

[spring hare]

Revert the Rend

[soft geyser]

I kick grygos in apex raids that don't switch

Mid raid dino

[cold venture]

Grygan? Ya its not really made for raids, outside maybe spino A but idk

[soft geyser]

rando MFs seem to think otherwise

[cold venture]

Tbf grygan isn't made of that inaccessible creatures

[past jasper]

I don't think any of the current Meta Apexes are good in any raids, most of the time you wanna use uniques and some Apexes like Gdeus, Ref, Morty for pre planned raids
But Apexes aren't really what you wanna use in raids
Dilora/Rexy/Thor/Conc and other more specific dinos like Dioraja for Shield are enough for any raid

[cold venture]

Sah is used in spino A even today, although that use is kinda cliche, loch was decent in raids, but it's uniques was better and the nerf really hurts it, skoonamet is probably the best one but tbh the restriction to apex raids and how dilo and rexy is essentially all you need (and they are more accessible) does hurt

Also geminideus can still do really good defensive for the less meta

[ember adder]

it wasn't

[tranquil cave]

it was as DoT and rend were calculated on the sum of all the rounds HP while it should have been based on the max HP as per the moves descriptions.

[cold venture]

Unfortunately I can't say for sure rather or not it's a bug, I can say it definitely lasted the entire time and noone wanted it fixed

[ember adder]

if it truly was bug it would have been fixed on spot because Ludia always fixed their bugs as fast as possible unlike jamcity

[cold venture]

Max HP could be referring to total or round hp

[ember adder]

Sum of all round of hp is exactly same as max hp

[cold venture]

We can say it's max hp is total xp, but it's split in rounds simular to a flock

[ember adder]

also what makes me 100% believe ot wasn't bug is because alacranix was released when rend strats were peak and no one said anything but when rend was effected by affliction it was nerfed the reason why I believe they did this is because affliction had glitch where it skips turn and they feared that rend would do the same now THAT'S THE BUG not claim of DoT or rend should have always been targeting round hp and again in that case just give bosses affliction immunity and it's fixed issue without stupid nerfs

[cold venture]

Honestly I think affliction resistance fixed the round skip issue enough lol

[ember adder]

clearly not with sinraptor...

[tranquil cave]

No that is absolutely not the definition of the max HP.

[ember adder]

no it literally is

even cat agrees

[cold venture]

That bug also shows the bosses are essentially flocks without bypass absorb working and a protection when a flock is taken out

[ember adder]

to some extend yes if you manage to overshoot the total hp in one hit it dies immediately unlike before affliction it wasn't possible to reach max hp

[cold venture]

Didn't we have a bear strat with 4 non afflicters?

[red yacht]

with them adding rend resist so high, they really need to relook at resistances now. they slapped affliction resist on because they had affliction and dot issue (which they never actually fixed, just slapped bandaid on and called it done), now they are trying the same with rend.

i do think they they completely miscoded how dot and rend were set up, using total vs round hp. and now they are trying to fix it, not that anybody asked... but their "fixes" for other things have now made raids suck even more.

[ember adder]

bear had terrible bleed resistance I think 30 ish %

[cold venture]

The resistances also help show that it wasn't a bug, that or they hate dot and rend and want it useless

[ember adder]

immunity to affliction is literally only way

[soft geyser]

Morty and ref suk now, plateo, skoonamet, and concat are pretty good

[cold venture]

I think 80-90 really wasn't that bad,

Moreso 90 with things like sah now existing

Of course that's not counting how much DOT sin can stack

[ember adder]

listen let's not get any complications with them just give us immunity sure sinraptor will be lil worse but I'd rather have that than what we have rn

[cold venture]

Or maybe just fix the actual bug lol

[soft geyser]

Rexy getting aged out by yuty slowly, and Trashrad worthless next to 93 rex

[ember adder]

that's just wrong

[cold venture]

I think affliction strats should exist lol

[ember adder]

yuty can never replace rexy

[soft geyser]

You love your trashrad?

[ember adder]

no as someone who deals with strats daily rexy is still S tier and won't move or be replaced

[cold venture]

In raids no omega will, nomatter how good it is, they are too scarce

[soft geyser]

It needs that stupid insta stun swapped out for a group heal like it's predecessor had

[soft geyser]

Thats fair

[soft geyser]

It can go into brach raids tho

[ember adder]

even then rexy speed increase along with her being tanky and actually stable with devour she's just made to support team and tank hits like champ

[cold venture]

That's also very true

[red yacht]

yeah, rexy is utilized in way too many strats of multiple rarities... plus dartable as a proximity spawn. and less expensive to get usable, compared to omegas...

[cold venture]

And epic and below is quite easy anyway

[soft geyser]

My raid build yuty hits around 2960 base in lvl 20 raids, if a Rexy is faster than my roar does over 4400 damage

[ember adder]

I only see yutyrannus as replacement for mort but then again you can't go wrong with both since mort is tanky and has armor so him getting targeted is good but also yuty is bit fragile but hits like truck I slightly prefer yuty but both are almost equal

[soft geyser]

Morty only has a single 2 cool down group attack

Half it's attacks are worthless if the minions aren't dead

[ember adder]

don't sleep on that rampage reason that recently mort speed in raids went from 124 to 120 is because rexy is the one that kills minions opening door for mort to freely do massive damage to boss

most strats nowadays always ask mort to be slower than rexy

[soft geyser]

Yuty's ramp can heal it if it's low enough, it has 2 separate moves that boost group attack, it has a group attack base, it's just better

[soft geyser]

You're lucky to get decent randos that have well built rexys now

[ember adder]

I was specifically mentioning strats

[soft geyser]

You need to know the right whales and grinders for this to be considerable

[ember adder]

whales? mort doesn't need whales lol

mine is maxed and I don't spend money on this game 😅

[soft geyser]

Rexys need grinders or whales like I said

[ember adder]

rexy is dartable

so again no whales just needs time also she's in short range scent

[soft geyser]

We both need to slow down our typing and read what each other are saying first 😂

[soft geyser]

Which is the grinders part

How many people do you think own well build rexys over lvl 25?

[ember adder]

shouldn't take that long tbf like you get 2 daily if you average both to 100 each that's very decent amount

[cold venture]

Lv 20 is usually enough and isn't hard

[soft geyser]

If you find them

[ember adder]

I know so many like almost my entire friend list

[soft geyser]

That's a piece of cake, 25 is more rare and anything over lvl 28 is super rare

[cold venture]

25 isn't too bad, although tmet and skoons a issue

[soft geyser]

Exactly, the problem is multiplied if you talk about randos

[cold venture]

Plus the fact 20 is enough

[soft geyser]

Not above legendary raids

[cold venture]

Yes even in apexes of course stronger is better

[soft geyser]

Boosted 23 would probably be the bare minimum for unique

Or 22 if you have good support

[cold venture]

2 rexy 2 decent dilos, can do most raids

[ember adder]

this one I see most common used and no level 20 won't cut it

it's always this and sin one but that one is more common surprisingly

[red yacht]

many people i raid with have the L30 boosted rexy. i'm the anomally with my unboosted L26...

[soft geyser]

Exactly, and if you try doing that team comp rando the odds of finding strong enough rexys is very low

[cold venture]

Spino A is a exception lol

[soft geyser]

In your clan/ friend's list?

[cold venture]

Especially now that rend isn't amazing

[red yacht]

but i also refuse to autofill over epic.... i'd rather miss a raid that hasn't changed in years than take 20mins to MAYBE win one because there's no real communication with autofill.

[ember adder]

yea my mentions on previous messages were about strats because randoms can bring you level 30 with 150 speed indoraptpr and think it will pull a miracle

[red yacht]

yep.

[soft geyser]

People just need to do the damn math and use the right moves, 25-50% chance to pick the right move if you're a tard

[red yacht]

my fave are the ones that bring L1 omegas to autofill raids... i just leave, i don't need to carry, thx.

[ember adder]

like this is what beginners think velociraptor will do when they use it in raids

[soft geyser]

75-100% if you do the math

[cold venture]

I've been autofilling with my rexy since it was lv 20 even, as it's grew I've done it more and more though (except imperitasuchus, that things harsh, and spino A now is strat only)

[red yacht]

i don't know who you all get in autofills, but most of the ones i see are either clueless or afk...

[soft geyser]

Thank god those plibs are drying up

[soft geyser]

Piss poor luck

[ember adder]

I'm not sure about that I still see then now and then

[cold venture]

Either rexys, thors, dilos, paras, or a not so great raidpex from the isla

[ember adder]

but with tarbo

[red yacht]

dude, you don't even know... if i can fail a strat with a 5% chance - it WILL happen...

[cold venture]

Or sometimes geminideus, or other decent apexes

[soft geyser]

I love the randos because it makes the game a game and not a rinse and repeat job, if you only follow others strats then you slowly become a bot

[soft geyser]

F

[ember adder]

girl I have worse luck don't test me

[red yacht]

if i need to crit, i won't. if i need to not crit, i will...

[cold venture]

Exactly, sadly spino A it isn't possible anymore

[soft geyser]

In all fairness to the strat bots tho these are my main raiders

[soft geyser]

I've beat it 3-4 times rando with super randos and heavy lobby vetting

[ember adder]

I'm surprised no tuora

[cold venture]

My main raider, yes I know I should commit to a dilo

[soft geyser]

Beautiful

[cold venture]

Sometimes but rare

[ember adder]

still surprising

let's not forget recent concatosaur

[cold venture]

I also hope to have the coins to finish this rexy (btw only like 300 dna came from a pass)

[ember adder]

I see it way too much

[cold venture]

Oh ya I see that alot too (I like it when the boss can't shatter)

[soft geyser]

Now that's a lot of grinding and events

[ember adder]

it's mid imo heals aren't powerful

like B tier or bottom A tier

[cold venture]

Id say mid A personally

But maybe that's a strat vs random difference

[ember adder]

nop

strat it can be solid but not very reliable because its heal isn't that great for team and randoms just suck no matter what you give them they will find way to fail and blame it on others

[cold venture]

Ya, and not caring about tmet (although events nearly got me enough for skoon)

[cold venture]

It's heals aren't amazing but they help, the shields help alot though

[soft geyser]

Tmet and Trashrad are mid b tier for raids now, Rexy, skoonamet, 93 rex, and yuty waaaaaaaaay better

[ember adder]

this is raid dinos list

seems like Ken likes concato

oh that was before indom buff

it's kinda oldie

[cold venture]

Id say concato is a little lower than that, any fierce opponent it struggles in, also that's a lil outdated (thylos)

[soft geyser]

Swap 93 and thylos, then skoonamet for trash rad and it's accurate

[ember adder]

it's only raid list and yea atm we can't make list until jamcity do rebalance

[cold venture]

Skoon in b sounds right

[ember adder]

yea

[cold venture]

Not as amazing as rexy but can do decent

[soft geyser]

Not below that garbage trashrad

[candid plover]

Not to mention the newest bugs with omegas and unlocked counters- they will cause the whole raid to freeze

[ember adder]

definitely yes

[cold venture]

You mean loch? Loch is Probably better by a lil

[soft geyser]

It's trash until it gets the heal buff it's predecessor

[cold venture]

Either way same tier def

[soft geyser]

Thorad

[ember adder]

you need to know that list is about all raid and apexes are well only allowed in apexes and one omega rexy is allowed in legendary unique apex and omega so ot definitely deserves higher spot

[cold venture]

Oh thor? That's alot better if we'll boosted and leveled

[soft geyser]

It can't heal anything or boost anything, how is it better?

[cold venture]

Rexy is still better though, id maybe put it in a

[red yacht]

use thor a LOT.... but i only use it in coordinated raids...

[soft geyser]

By a mile

[cold venture]

It's a powerhouse

[ember adder]

it's literally main hitter of the team

[cold venture]

With cleansing

[soft geyser]

It's worthless against dodge

[ember adder]

minion killer and high damage dealer

[cold venture]

Rexy mainly wins because it's more general

[cold venture]

But for it's job, thor is the best

[ember adder]

brother you acting as if dodge in raid is super common also you can say 90% of those are weak to dodge

thylos used to be S tier and it's weak vs dodge

[past jasper]

Concat healing is really eh
Skoonamet is great ngl but less represented
And plateo isn't that represented too
But Ref and Morty never sucked in raids
Morty is still used in pre planned raids
And ref distraction and nulification are really great in any raids

[soft geyser]

And it can't cleanse group, heal group, or boost group attack

[red yacht]

rexy isn't good against dodge either...

[soft geyser]

Rexy can buff group

[red yacht]

most chompers aren't... that's why the team works together...

[ember adder]

it's minion killer and heavy hitter it doesn't need to support team to be good

[past jasper]

Omegas are never used in pre planned and really rare in auto
Thor and Rexy are more used and do a really great job
Same proportions in raids
(Pre planned)
Both are the 2 main chompers in any type of raids

[cold venture]

That's the edge rexy has, decent chomper and also support

[cold venture]

The dilos heal it usually

[past jasper]

Yeah dilo paired with anything is great

[soft geyser]

I'm taking a Rexy over a Thor every single time because it's just as good main damage as Thor and it boosts group

[ember adder]

thor and rexy are just no1 they fit anywhere you put them in

[past jasper]

Yeah

[cold venture]

Same, it's more general, but thor is amazing too

[past jasper]

Rexy's roar
Thor's impact
Probably some of the best moves for raids and overall

[ember adder]

thor is better with taking out minions consistently without worries about CD or hp

[cold venture]

If thor gained the heal In a way not nerfing it it would probably surpass rexy

[soft geyser]

Now give Thor a group heal like it's predecessor and I'll stop hating on it

And a base group attack

[past jasper]

Couple it to the charge
Getting rid of its impact would just cause more damage than anything
I hope they don't do that

[ember adder]

omg not everything need to group heal or buff group to be great like understand that there are chompers you can call them wind conditions like you can't just win with wind conditions you need others support

[soft geyser]

Keep the impact and rampage, replace the basic for a group basic and the insta for a 100% group heal like it's predecessor

[past jasper]

Not saying that you want to btw
Just tought that if they wanna do that it's better to not change the impact

[red yacht]

i so want thor with devour...

[soft geyser]

Yes

Thor has been neglected for years now, about time it gets a buff

[past jasper]

Yeah
Something like 1X heal 50% speed boost (To compete against Tmet) and 1X dmg to opponent and 75% to stun or, 66%

[soft geyser]

Group heal

[past jasper]

I remember when the old buff came out, everyone requested a nerf lol

[past jasper]

Yeah

[soft geyser]

That's just depressing

100% group heal 10% group speed boost in place of insta stun

[red yacht]

i don't need thor to group heal, that's not it's job... but i'd love it to self heal with devour... i think that would make it usable, but not too much...

[past jasper]

Just make a fusion between Allosino heal and Thor charge

[past jasper]

Ngl with all the broken uniques it wouldn't really help thor

[soft geyser]

75% group attack, 50% group heal

[cold venture]

Eh, id like it to be more resilient anyways

[past jasper]

I feel like the main problem, is Tmet anyway
Because 110 is just too much
Chompers are meant to be slow
Especially if you can boost your speed
103/104 maximum

Because basically all other Big chompers (Not things like Gryg tho) lose to it because of its speed and dmg

[cold venture]

Honestly nowadays that's too slow

[past jasper]

Not for a chomper tho

[cold venture]

Eh, id say moreso around 110

[past jasper]

Already have huge dmg
Really great hp and resistances
Amazing moveset

[past jasper]

It's just a brainless dino ngl
It's like Mortem meta
But even more braindead

[soft geyser]

Look at these builds I have

[cold venture]

Thor and rexy are probably good enough though

Especially with rexys roar

[soft geyser]

No unique is as broken as those bastards

[past jasper]

Thor being slow is great with the impact

BUT
It needs more HP and dmg

And maybe like 10% armor

[cold venture]

The damage is lacking a bit

[soft geyser]

Thor needs another 100-150 attack

[cold venture]

1950 probably

Maybe 150 crit damage would be nice

[soft geyser]

Hp ok, 1750 at 26 is sad compared to omegas and skoonamet

[past jasper]

Something like 10% Armor and like 100/150 more hp could be useful ngl

[soft geyser]

I only hate on thor because it's high b tier in raids due to others having more attack

[past jasper]

Heck what
3K at lvl 21
Wth were they thinking when doing that

[cold venture]

Id say high A low S

[past jasper]

Thor is basically number 1 solo chomper
And Rexy number 1 chomper and "support"

[cold venture]

CGD with a very strong thor is brutal

[soft geyser]

Not about how desperately Thor needs another 200 attack

[soft geyser]

In unique raid that 93 rex has 5500 HP and 3251 attack

[past jasper]

Yeah
It's sad to think that nowdays a good moveset or good player isn't enough anymore
Needing to be just next to Mortem in dmg to be a normal chomper is sad

[past jasper]

With a priority btw
Cuz that wouldn't be fun then

[soft geyser]

Or the dodge bypassing rampage lmao

[past jasper]

Yeah

[soft geyser]

My go toos in raids are skoonet in apex, 93 rex in unique, yuty or StegoUng in legendary, and yuty in epic

[soft geyser]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

[cold venture]

Probably turns it from high A to high S

[soft geyser]

50 less attack, 34% less heal resistance, and the onescape 1x heal would probably be considerable to jam

Asides from that it's perfect

[cold venture]

Jamcity would probably do it once they decide to give it a apex (drain that sino dna you used on draco lux)

[soft geyser]

That too

[cold venture]

I'll make it a hybrid soon lol

[soft geyser]

I hope so

[soft geyser]

Make it a TDoe apex

That way they can be lazy bums and reuse an entire body and move set, but just change the head model

[cold venture]

Instant CGD, crit increase devour group rampage, nullification heal, double def strike, counter, same OE loop

(I'll still make a full reference soon)

[soft geyser]

I wonder where I've seen this before

[ember adder]

it doesn't need to compete with them because Thor's main purpose to be raid menace and it does it job and I tell you thor is easily S tier raid dino I would say 2nd best unique for raids just behind dilo

it doesn't need buffs or crazy stuff that's the purpose of chompers to just be the artillery of the team meanwhile others support it

[soft geyser]

@cold kraken suggested changes allow it to heal in a pinch and have more than 1 group attack

[ember adder]

with that rampage you made it worse in raids...

[cold kraken]

It already has 2 group attack

[soft geyser]

If you're about to die it saves your life

[ember adder]

...

[soft geyser]

Does it?

[ember adder]

dilos exist

[cold kraken]

Yes the strike

[ember adder]

no it doesn't

[soft geyser]

BS

[soft geyser]

The hell it does

It needs a group basic, doesn't have 1 yet

[cold kraken]

Mine does

I thought you were talking about mine oops

[ember adder]

I think you just being very dramatic about thor both of you it really doesn't need anything

[soft geyser]

2 group attacks?

[soft geyser]

It needs to not have 50 less attack than it's predecessor

[ember adder]

it's fine as it is

[cold kraken]

And it should have armor like allosino

[ember adder]

armor I support fine but moves don't need change

[soft geyser]

It's legendary counterpart has 50 more attack

It should have the same or higher

That doesn't even include omegas

[ember adder]

trykovenator deal less than trex yet it's in the meta so what's your point?

[soft geyser]

Not meta in raids, and why is the only real improvement between the 2 the cleansing part of the impact

[ember adder]

concato has more damage than concatoloch and both are great raid dino so again what's there about damage

[soft geyser]

That's because people are crying and begging for the concato to be nerfed while they barely nerfed the concatoloch

Peps started whining about loch first

[ember adder]

and what does that have to do with your point like you can run poll and I guarantee you people will pick thor over many creatures than you think, you are really underestimating thor by huge mile mate

[soft geyser]

And it doesn't help that most of the changes are supposed to mainly effect pvp

[soft geyser]

People Im seeing must all either be stupid or not upgraded/ boost them then

[ember adder]

I will tell you rn if they touch thor they will make it horrible for raids example is para lux it used to be S tier dino and after they changed it it became D tier raid dino

[soft geyser]

Which is what I said here

They neglect raids because more people care about pvp and they can milk pvp meta better

[ember adder]

I can tell you ask any raid strategist or anyone who knows how to use thor the answer will be "best unique for raids ever so slightly behind dilo"

trust me it's just perfect as it is

[soft geyser]

With 1 group attack?

[ember adder]

yes

[soft geyser]

At least give the bastard a basic group attack instead of the current waste of a turn

[broken tree]

lll_arch_lll has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ember adder]

why does it need 100 different group attacks when impact with almost one shot minions

[soft geyser]

The 3k HP ones or the 6k HP ones?

[ember adder]

maxed ones

[soft geyser]

You have 2 decent ones or one paired with a Rexy then both minions will die

There's at least 1 minion with over 8k HP

[ember adder]

impact deals like 4.5k guarantee

support from dilo or rexy and it's dead

also about rampage I remember thor had rampage that was 2 CD and it was basically useless 0 usage

after got rampage reverted and they gave it group cleansing destroyer it became monster in Just one update and it still is

[ember adder]

the most iconic duo in raids thor and tuora working together

[soft geyser]

Double enhanced is just shy of the other 2 in apex raids

[ember adder]

yk best damage is 3031 it doesn't need gold damage as matter of fact non of them need gold damage

[soft geyser]

This is the trash I normally run into that are supposed to be teammates

[soft geyser]

That's no fun

[ember adder]

also thor cleanses with group hit especially when you are seeing koola in like 90% of raids

[ember adder]

I use it and it's truly fun

[soft geyser]

These are my favorites

[soft geyser]

The barley 3k attack part

And koola gae and should be stoned

Koola just ruins the fun

[ember adder]

ok so we can safely say that mort and tmet are better because they deal more damage right?

and rexy is worse than both?

[soft geyser]

Tmet obnoxious with cool down and Morty you can push to 4k attack with ET4

[soft geyser]

Lies, Rexy is better because it amplifies the entire team's attack

And has 2 group attacks

[ember adder]

but it doesn't deal damage as good as tmet I mean tmet can buff team too

[soft geyser]

When it's about to die

[ember adder]

when rexy is about to die it loses group hit

[soft geyser]

Tmets are cool right up until you have a cautious dil

[soft geyser]

Sadly

When you have a Dil, 3 rexys make raids go waaaaaaaaay faster than 3 Thor's because they stack and Rexy has a slight attack advantage

[ember adder]

unless you facing ref or haast

even impera

[soft geyser]

Neither work for imprea

[ember adder]

chill there thor destroys impera

[soft geyser]

Ref and haast mediocre creatures now

[ember adder]

better than rexy by mile

[soft geyser]

Because of the shields or minion shenanigans?

[ember adder]

you can say the same to all raid dinos if not worse lmao

[soft geyser]

That's fair

[ember adder]

they count you can't deny it if it's part of raid then it will be mentioned

[soft geyser]

You don't say....

[ember adder]

tbf true counter to impera is mort immunity to bleed and slowdown

[soft geyser]

Or skoona, apex cat, or ref distraction

[ember adder]

even para

[soft geyser]

😂

Which 1?

[ember adder]

unique

thops

[soft geyser]

That 1

I wish randos would default to that

[ember adder]

I remember using level 21 base and if played correctly it worked very well that was before dilo

[soft geyser]

Asides from lack of speed and stun resistance it's perfect for healing

[ember adder]

tbf being slow in impera helps because it will heal after the counter attacks and impera hits

[soft geyser]

Phos boss is super annoying with the stun

[ember adder]

imo better than dilo because dilo heals then team gets counter slammed and group hit

[soft geyser]

Dils heal at the start and paras heal at the end

Exactly

[ember adder]

for beginners who struggle with imepra I always recommend para it doesn't need speed or any boosts

[soft geyser]

I keep forgetting that para exists

I never see anyone use it

[ember adder]

unfortunately dilo took over and tuora's buff kinda killed it

just like how thylos died after rend nerf!!!

[soft geyser]

My mattellasaur's counter doesn't do 5hît after the rend nerf either

If the boss has 4 rounds and 80% rend resistance, mattellasaur's raw counter only does about 1.25% of the bosses HP, and grygos have turned into raid slot fillers

[soft geyser]

This counter Crit build mattellasaur and grygos did too

Y'all opened Pandora's box and you're trying to close it back up, wth!

[magic pawn]

Guys this isnt creature discussion

[cold venture]

Just for this let's all use thor lol

(Unfortunately my thor isn't good)

Unfortunately kicking thor users will bring hate towards you because it's a good creature, getting kicked for them not knowing the reason will just annoy them

[past jasper]

Thor in raids is Amazing BUT we're mainly talking about raids and Pvp
And Thor is really really Bad in PvP
Changing Thor impact is just not a great idea so it should keep it no matter what
Just make that the rampage become devour
Maybe buff stats and give it Armor
And put passive effects on its charge like shield and heal
Wouldn't change anything in raids, but would finally be usable in Pvp

[ember adder]

it doesn't need to be viable in pvp that's just my opinion I mean look at irri it's the worst in pvp or any 1v1 battle but in raids it's top of the mountain

[past jasper]

Yeah but Irri purpose is only raids
While Thor is also PvP
And I feel like most people would like a buff, would diversify the meta

[cold venture]

I think it would be cool if it was a decent unique pick in pvp without ruining it's raid dominance

[past jasper]

But I get what you're saying and I agree

[past jasper]

Make Thor a Conc counter

Would be so fun lol

[ember adder]

then it becomes like para lux trash in pvp and horrible in raids I don't want them to touch thor at all because it will be completely different and complicated like they always do with anything they touch

[cold venture]

Para lux was quite good in legendarys lol

[ember adder]

so good I never see it

[past jasper]

You're... Also right
I hope Thor get buffed and I just really hope they let the impact
That's the main reason of why Thor is so strong

[cold venture]

Para lux was quite good in legendarys lol I think powercreep got it though

But they definitely turned away from it's PVE use there

[cold venture]

I hope they buff it good in pvp, and better than currently in raids

[ember adder]

I hope rend gets used

[cold venture]

Unfortunately you'd probably need a 400% affliction and a 360% rend to make that possible

[ember adder]

feel like rend has no purpose anymore rarely any creature doesn't have any rend resistance and raids it's almost nothing

[cold venture]

Raids where balanced around old rend, now it sucks

[ember adder]

where's the old crew the one that always fixed their mess ups immediately

[cold venture]

It's worse than affliction resistance which nearly killed affliction at first

Worst part is rend can't get stronger like affliction did

[ember adder]

I remember when raptors were meta and that got fixed relatively fast by introducing "superiority strike"

[cold venture]

I miss raptor being meta lol

[ember adder]

I don't

not even indoraptor gen 2

[cold venture]

Indo g2 was quite good at launch, wish it wasn't so bad now

[ember adder]

"quite good" is wrong word

[cold venture]

Lol ya

[ember adder]

you could have said
broken
op
unkillable

[cold venture]

What's crazy is back then even the unkillable stuff had counters lol

#oldLoch #doe

[ember adder]

unless your name was indoraptor g2

[cold venture]

Lol, iirc it had something that could beat it

(I remember making it thinking it sucked compared to indo g2 that update and later finding out it was a beast)

[smoky stump]

I love wasting time on SpinoA raids

[drowsy marsh]

Ok

[smoky stump]

it takes an annoyingly longer amount of time now
at least I'm getting dna though
L16 with 5200 dna

[slim charm]

I have no dna for it

Just have it at lvl 6 with 200 extra dna

From back then

[smoky stump]

its just horribly inconvienient at this point

[past jasper]

So
If people Wonder why I didn't talk here for a while I have a pretty simple awnser
Everytime I posted something here I got muted
But now, enough is enough
It's been a month, a whole month and we got NOTHING
People are going to say "Just wait they'll do something"
But no, it's like boost Shuffle
Unkept promises
And it's ALWAYS like that
But we Always need to wait right ?
More and more ?
ANY game company would've atleast put an announcement about the fact that they're working on that or something
But with Jamdia, nothing
And it's been too long
Too long because we Always trusted them, and they Always pooped in our mounth
If we can't even have an announcement, in a whole mounth
For something they could just REVERT
They're just lying to us
And Heck, yeah there are strats
But why would I need to be in a raid 20 minutes just to win it and have an rng based rewards
On a MOBILE game
Raid shouldn't be longer than 10 minutes
If they can't be honest with us, don't care about our complains, and never notify us about anything, I don't see any reason to continue giving them money

[slim charm]

They are pulling a SUPERCELL on us

[past jasper]

Even Supercell does better with Brawlstar

[slim charm]

Yup but with CR

[past jasper]

Yeah CR became unplayable

But you see the problem
I'll take Genshin for example
Last time they nerfed a character people complained af
And in the same day
They reverted that and gave a huge compensation

You'll see
With SpinoA
It's going to take them 8 months
To pop out an eh fix
And 1K coins

Btw I don't want to be rude or anything against mods
But they need to understand us
You can't just tell people to wait for a month and more
Without ever giving them any update on the situation

[slim charm]

or 100 cah

[slim charm]

its anoying af

[rotund stream]

Just for you guys, i'll check if there has been any update on this issue,

Trust me, i myself know that it can be frustirating when an issue like this has been going on for a whole month without any update(s), now on the good side we do have a really good working ptor strat (and 2 sin + 2 sah), however i think we all want more strats to work than just those

[red yacht]

I moved all my alliance groups rend strats into a private channel because i couldn't bring myself to delete them completely (i wasn't ready for that), but had to hide them so people wouldn't try to use them...

[spring hare]

Because so few level 18 players have Sah ..or sinraptor at that level.. yay the grinders win for a change, until only 2 members online have qualified dinos then we all lose because no one wants to raid! Just Sayin.

[cold venture]

Tbf there is a 21 ptor strat

[rotund stream]

^

[cold venture]

A W for the community I feel, how much we have been able to pull through despite the annoying change

[smoky stump]

yeah

[past jasper]

That takes way more time than the old one tho

[cold venture]

It still exists and is accessible

[soft geyser]

They fix my mattellasaur's counter rend damage in raids yet?

[smoky stump]

no

[tidal hazel]

rajadorixis perhaps could help? bc of how it has nullyfying etc

[haughty cipher]

is it fixed yet

[cold kraken]

No

[ember adder]

you run out of luck on R3 and raja damage isn't that great

it's basically worse sah

[lofty crater]

Got really close with Lycan and Sah with Diloracheirus
Was a tor but got knocked out early on

Used cloak on R3 and completely bypassed the round

[cold venture]

Ironically 4 lycans, 1 148 speed can make it to round 4

Maybe there's a way it wins lol

[cold venture]

First auto fill win post nerf, took this team 2 attempts, and oloro was a dilo the first time (oloro works better due to the dodge strike)

[cold venture]

Wait why does my sin have a counter?

[drowsy marsh]

You probably unlocked it by accident seeing that your sin is level 12

[cold venture]

It's the lv 16 move

Wait nvm I mixed it up with the affliction move

I thought it was the one I started working on lv 16 for

[haughty cipher]

Why was Rend RUINED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

Can we get an official statement that is not the PR Department saving face?

[rotund stream]

#announcements message

[magic pawn]

Yh but still no news... nothing

[cold venture]

Apparently this was said on a newsletter

Ya here
https://jurassicworldalive.com/community-updates/jwa-community-letter-1024/

Funny how it's still cat centered

This seems like a W

Just gotta hope it's not the common/rare hybrid issue

[autumn abyss]

Read it. Mad about it still.

Tho I can do the raid just fine now, soft locking people out of it is a crappy move.

[cold venture]

Tbf the bar is just as low now that we have a 21 ptor strat

Just takes longer

I don't like the answer but it is what it is, all we can do is make more strats, if this post hasn't made a difference I doubt anything will

[wary rampart]

You can go ahead and get rid of this because its here to stay 😭😭😭

[cold venture]

Not gonna get rid of it, we aren't satisfied

I don't see anything changing but no need to delete the suggestion

[red yacht]

Maybe it will hopefully push for a boss resistance rebalance....

[cold venture]

1 turned bear

[haughty cipher]

No. JUST NO. Impoopoo raid need not be more tedious than it already is

[cold venture]

Would love that, including rewards

[pale quartz]

There are so many creatures now, I can't believe that they have to leave spino like that and could use only 4 kind of creatures.... There are many strategies for many boss but spino somehow has only 1 or 2 with the same animals.... What a shame.

[cold venture]

Magna, sin, dilo, rexy, tmet, sah, sin

That's it I think

[pale quartz]

It's still a mess

[cold venture]

I'm just happy that we found a accessible strat

[velvet fiber]

We've been able to do it several times free style with other creatures.. don't know the teams exactly anymore..
But my gryg was also in it..

[magic pawn]

I mean as long as u dont have better dinos and are tied to strats that need good teamwork then u have to hope for good teammates (aka have godly luck it seems)

[cold venture]

Unfortunately it is kinda locked to strats or strong creatures 😕, but at least nearly anyone who could before can just pick up a strat

[cold venture]

That's helpful, unfortunately that usually requires really strong creatures, and can't be easily replicated

[ember adder]

speaking of strats can people who make them just have some sense of colors and not put colors that just not suitable together when making strats?
I'm sorry if cyan text with white background gets rejected but I'd rather have my vision than whatever monstrosity you created

[cold venture]

Here you go

Lol

[ember adder]

look at omega channel in gp you will see what I mean

[cold venture]

Ngl I like it, sure white and cyan is close but it's readable

[red yacht]

I also hate wild colors... lol. This is what I do when I edit strats...

[ember adder]

still here still asking for change

[haughty cipher]

The fix is to dart Sinraptor
it's never been so OVER

[pale quartz]

Since the "fix" I finally defeat the Spino for the first time, with randoms, without Panthera

It was hard, we almost choked, but we managed to defeat it. Draco lvl 30+2, Tuora lvl 30+2, my Orion lvl 30+2 and a lvl 29 Dilorac

I guess they had the same issue as me. No Magna, no Sin, no Sah

But it's still not normal that you need 2 or 3 enhancemented creatures against a regular dinosaur if you don't have those three and victory is not guaranteed

I understand if apex raids are hard, because those are basically monsters, but I don't think that omegas should be stronger than them imo

[ember adder]

unfortunately they disagree because they are higher rarity when filtered like that

even tho in speed ties they are same as commons

[cold venture]

I do feel most, (all, maybe except imperitasuchus) apex raids are underpowered, but spino A exceeds good level for apexes even

[tranquil cave]

is that so? at same level and same speed?

[ember adder]

yes

[tranquil cave]

the order of priority is speed then level then rarity

[ember adder]

they are treated as commons

[tranquil cave]

so omega should win speed ties against apex

[ember adder]

...

[tranquil cave]

that must be one of the bug they are not in a rush to fix...

[ember adder]

they lose because again they are treated as commons

apex are higher

[tranquil cave]

highest rarity is omega then apex then unique, etc, etc

[ember adder]

yes that's true but omegas for some reason are commons

[tranquil cave]

so that must be a bug

[cold venture]

I'm fairly sure there's a difference in raids and pvp here too, and that omegas are treated by the movesbit has unlocked

May just be misremembering that though

[ember adder]

I'm not exactly sure how it works but omegas always lose speed tie

I think my fukuiraptor has level 6 ability but can't outspeed rares and ties with commons

[cold venture]

The way I'm remembering it is say if sin has the lv 6 move unlocked, it wins against commons and is treated as a rare, maybe it's wishful remembering though as that would be ideal

[ember adder]

pretty sure no my fukuiraptor is level 6 with ability but slower than delta level 6 both at 130 speed

[ember adder]

#general-chat message

[ember adder]

they are not level tie 😂

[cold venture]

Oh wait, level 💀

[ember adder]

here chexk this

[cold venture]

That makes things harder to test lol

[tranquil cave]

the best way to test would be friendly battles (if only they worked) or skill tournaments but i can no longer be bothered with jwa

it's difficult to stay motivated with such a sheetshow

[cold venture]

Yup, speed ties 😔

Quite wierd how it's done, I can see the rarity thing being confusing, but I don't think rares and up should get priority, legendarys at lowest

[sleek swift]

Have they forgot about rend thing

[wet dirge]

Probably just ignoring it, thinking they will get away with doing this

[rotund stream]

there are plenty of strats now to beat the raid tho,

For example 4 ptors still work

[wooden bramble]

Just more of a pain

[rotund stream]

yeah

but better than nothing

[pale quartz]

Players without Sah, Sin and Magnaraptor almost impossible this raid, and it's already hard to grind the coin

[magic pawn]

Real

[pale quartz]

And no one try to convince me that I should have at least one of them for now. The two hybrids has exclusive components and Sin is an omega which becomes really expensive.

[glossy halo]

It’s probably due to being same base level

[cold venture]

Its proof omegas are treated as a common even when a rare move is unlocked

[glossy halo]

I think they should move up this list as ability’s unlock

But then, certain omegas would be as a disadvantage

As some unlock all at 16

[cold venture]

For them just have them rank up at 21 and 26

[glossy halo]

Right

[ember adder]

can they at least answer us here it's just ignoring at this point we need something done for rend and idc how many strats we have that doesn't change that we need rend to return

[pale quartz]

Or just nerf this damn raid, the crit ratio is high, it starts with a rampage that only 100% dodge can tank out and the nullifying counter just doesn't needed

I don't know what they actually want, but they will lost that few players (us) who still playing with this dying game

If they want more players, want more money, fix the damn game and make it better, optimilize it better, put more features in it and make it LESS p2w

[smoky stump]

I think 150% crit damage is unneeded

[pale quartz]

It has that many?

[smoky stump]

yes

[cold venture]

I agree, though the crit chance does make it unique

[magic pawn]

They "will" loose? Nah they already lost many

Tbh the only reason im staying is bc i love my dinos too much and for the make believe it will be as good as it used to (never gonna happen tho ig)

[cold venture]

The ones they lost probably aren't the ones that matter to them, thankfully as i have a feeling if they feel like the game is dying, instead of fixing things they will sunset the game

[magic pawn]

sunset?

[cold venture]

"discontinue or terminate (a product or service).
"the wireless service providers that operate these networks are sunsetting them""

[magic pawn]

oh...

i miss jurrasic park the builder

[cold venture]

Same, although admittedly jurassic world the game is overall a upgrade

[magic pawn]

Yh but it was still a nice game

[glossy halo]

I still occasionally play it

[magic zodiac]

Honestly I don't mind the game sunsetting. Sure it's annoying and pay to win but what if we get a jw primal ops ending? Everyone gets everything. It'd be a nice future if possible. Although I know they wouldn't do that

[cold venture]

I would hate if it does, I enjoy the game and don't want it gone (even though eventually it will happen) I also think that if it sunsets it will be gone fully like jurassic park builder

[magic zodiac]

Yeah. I like the game aswell but it's just gotten so repetitive. Unbeatable apex #1 releases just for Unbeatable apex #2 to release a week later.

[smoky stump]

game preservation is important either way

[pale quartz]

It's okay if we don't get creatures that easily, but the way they give us the new creatures is not okay. They are overpowered, all components are exclusive and the coins are hard to get too..

Of course whales have them on the first day

[sleek swift]

Can we expect some change in raid with this new patch

[cold venture]

Nothing mentioned

[pale quartz]

They just said in nutshell that we should be glad that they found useful creatures for the raid, so it's not impossible to defeat it

[cold venture]

Tbf its us as a community that found the creatures, they just showed creatures from our best strats

[pale quartz]

Yeah, you right.

But the fact that they just ignoring us...

They are so lazy and careless... Even the tips are out of date for years

[red yacht]

oh, i get a giggle when i get the tip that there are no weekend raids... lol

[haughty mica]

First turn group rampage is also frankly absurd.

[soft geyser]

I wish they would give stegoung that move

Instead of that stupid rampage

[ember adder]

that's why not everyone should be giving ideas to balancing team...

[pale quartz]

Pyroraptor has rampage too as first move, but you can defend yourself with armor and shield, Spino's rampage can only be dodged, and not every creature has 100% dodge, especially not for the team

[soft geyser]

Lmao

[cold venture]

Nearly nothing has a group dodge, I think protect the herd and cloak of rage is all

[ember adder]

Ferocious Flying Strike

[ember adder]

3

or if you want an "erm AkTuALlY" answer 2 dodge (Protect The Herd and Ferocious Flying Strike) and 1 Cloak (Cloak Of Rage)

[pale quartz]

But those are not 100% neither

[cold venture]

Nope

Fsr nearly none are (probably because people treat them so much worse than shield when it's easier to remove)

[haughty mica]

Plus a group dodge move doesn’t exist

[haughty mica]

On a creature that literally sucks in raids

[ember adder]

protect the herd and cloak of rage?

on creatures that are good in raids?

orolo and indolycan?

[cold venture]

A Oloro helped me beat spino A once too, in the one time I auto filled it

[ember adder]

also flyer omega is decent in raids it has couple decent group moves

it just people forgot it existence

[cold venture]

Main issue overall is its not a guaranteed dodge

[ember adder]

nothing is

I'm guessing what you really mean is that it's percentage is lower because it's 50% compared to others with 75%

[pale quartz]

Dodge is not like shield and armor, those are guaranteed, dodge is not.

[cold venture]

No because none of them are guarenteed dodge, there isn't enough cases of 100% to dodge

A group evasive hunt would be awesome

Because the more you roll a chance to not dodge the more often you don't dodge

[cold venture]

Even a group sidestep

[ember adder]

some are

[pale quartz]

Some, but only a few creature has team dodge and mostly those are omegas and some of them is exclusive

[pale quartz]

I think if they take the AP from Spino's rampage, that would help

[cold venture]

Nearly every sidestep is

[cold venture]

Id rather them remove the shatter than pierce

[pale quartz]

Or that

[pale quartz]

Creatures with sidestep not the best for raids sadly

[cold venture]

Also more group and guaranteed dodges would be nice

[pale quartz]

Yeah

[cold venture]

Unfortunately, but there's no reason they can't make something good for that

[pale quartz]

Well, my Orion did well once on Spino raid with autofill

[haughty mica]

People actually use oloro in raids?

[haughty mica]

Evasive Hunt, Cautious Retreat

[ember adder]

what game are you playing?
I see oloro almost everywhere

[haughty mica]

I don’t autofill lobbies so idk

Why risk a Rando using a move that gets everyone killed

[ember adder]

oloro can have hundreds of raid strats just doesn't fit super speedy one

so no one bothers

[cold venture]

The group dodge is also RNG that strats tend to avoid

Plus omegas are expensive

[ember adder]

bruh it's not only about dodge Olor is the best stigy counter because bleed cleanser and dodge doesn't matter

[cold venture]

Oloro is quite amazing all around ya, but the RNG does make it harder to know if a strat is reliable

[stiff robin]

balanced

[ember adder]

you are focusing too much on the RNG dodge

you can use oloro vs ref why? because armor and shield it's not all about dodge

[cold venture]

That's a case the dodge is alot less likely to make a difference

[ember adder]

vs haast sure, vs hydra boa it's great vs gorgo yep vs hadros W

it can work and it's not about dodge at all

[cold venture]

I'm not meaning it can't work, just makes things harder for strat makers

[ember adder]

it really doesn't

no one wants to test it because doesn't do well for 1 turn one round

[cold venture]

Ironing out RNG is the hardest part of strat making tbh

One of at least

[ember adder]

and ofc nowadays people only care about "how can I one shot the boss" and it just doesn't do it same as tuora and thor and others like that even irritator all are S tier but nop gotta one shot the boss

[cold venture]

Another is finding the required stats

Which omegas make even harder

[ember adder]

hear me out when strats are made in gp we basically say "treat that move like it doesn't dodge at all"

[cold venture]

Works in simulator, but not in game

[ember adder]

and like that you made 100s of strats without caring about dodge

[cold venture]

Anyway need to get back to finding a way to beat a spino A

[ember adder]

ik but that's how we accept strats "protect the herd doesn't apply dodge" that's how we make it

pretend that every move will bypass dodge

[cold venture]

Since noones biting, I gotta hope that auto fill blesses me

[ember adder]

someone made this

[cold venture]

That also hurt in cases where this move that targets lowest needs to hit this creature that may not be lowest hp if it dodges

[cold venture]

I can be a rexy if I had the team lol

[ember adder]

heal

we also think about that dw

[cold venture]

My alliance seems to be coming in clutch lol

[ember adder]

also here

yes R3 is rend nerfed but that strat was also made after nerf

[cold venture]

How long of testing was needed lol

[ember adder]

not much lol

you are just overthinking about dodge

[cold venture]

Spino A is so strong it can get a critical hit on its non damaging counters

[soft geyser]

Why not?

[soft geyser]

It's the brach raids that the randos are brainlets

[haughty mica]

They’re dumb in any raid not just bracheo

[pale quartz]

They are like most Dilorac users then (I didn't meet Oloro users)

Most of them are brainless

[soft geyser]

People need to start abusing mutual bloodlust in raids

[cold venture]

Too much attack on the opponent, gotta be used right

[soft geyser]

I'm sick of trying to talk people into well thought out ideas

[cold venture]

What's the idea? I assume pair with a rexy and something to nullify the boss?

[magic pawn]

Still here still not happy

[pale quartz]

Here some mini pancakes in case if you still mad

[magic pawn]

Not mad just disappointed and not satisfied as my current win rate of the raid is about 5% since i dont have sin or sah

[pale quartz]

Same

[past jasper]

I still Wonder if they're "actively" looking for solutions
We've got that over and over again for 2 months ?
Have we got something ?
No
The only advice was "Use the dino YOU found useful !"
Wow...
And people want us to wait and be calm ?
Every fricking time we do that they do nothing

[cold venture]

I thought it was no since the community update

[past jasper]

So they basically lied to us right ?

[cold venture]

I haven't heart anyone say they are looking at it after, I guess they just decided it's not too hard

[past jasper]

Svan told us that they were looking for solutions, a lot of times

Same goes for Mattiodon

[cold venture]

Lv 21 ptor strat

[magic pawn]

Random teammates tend to be stupid💀

[cold venture]

I'm fairly sure it's "looking at feedback to see if there's a problem"

[cold venture]

Its nearly impossible to auto fill, you unfortunately need to host or join a raid (for me i found the best server for that is the gamepress server)

[magic pawn]

Well im not doing that.. i do all raid in autofill unless i have time to accept a invite (i mostly dont)

[pale quartz]

With randoms round 2 turn 4 won't happen, if I'm not the lowest 💀

[cold venture]

The few times I try 4 ptor with auto fill post update, I've made it to round 4, usually because of a mistake in round 2 lol

[magic pawn]

We usually die round 3 (once we had one person left and they died and the boss died to bleed but ofc it doesn't count as victory)

[pale quartz]

I mamaged to defeat the boss 2 times with randoms 4 ptor, but still don't like that stat

[cold venture]

The strat is just the most accessible one we have, hard to do strats with Randoms though

[magic pawn]

Yh

[haughty mica]

They really need to add more chat features to raids so experienced players can tell randos what they’re supposed to do.

[ember adder]

yea but I'd rather have my rend work than chat feature

[red yacht]

See, I'm okay with the rend change, just should have been up front about it. But what they really need to do is revisit boss resistances. They made changes based on them not having moves working correctly. Fine, ok - dot and rend work correctly now, so change those resistances and review affliction resist as well...

[pale quartz]

A better text chat with words and sentences

[magic pawn]

Yh

[cold venture]

I also think spino A is too hard as a whole, if that wasn't true itd be a annoyance I'd have shrugged off in the beginning

[magic pawn]

Tbh i cant really agree here...

[magic pawn]

It's the guy with the pfp again 😂

[cold venture]

At this point ya, spino A strats are at a point that I think we will be fine if they don't change anything, a better chat would be amazing (why isn't Oops a button to signal a misclick?)

[magic pawn]

For oops i just use the scorpion sticker xd

Poor guy looks like it has regrets and is sad

[cold venture]

This one? I can see where you are going with that, I see nervousness and uncertainty if we will beat the opponent more

[magic pawn]

Yh this one... poor guy is just sorry and regretful 😔

Makes me wanna give it a hug and plus the lil guy is cute

And when someone does something questionable or stupid i just use the raptor side eye

[cold venture]

I'm more likely to do a grr like emote when it looks like we are losing, don't want to make a potential mistake more embarrassing

[magic pawn]

I meant i use it as like a judging emote

Not really for when we are losing

[cold venture]

I know, i don't like to fully judge a person lol

I may wonder why they did something, but i wouldn't shame them

[magic pawn]

Me love the judge😇 (im a such a great person fr fr)

Here's my emoji set up and how i use em

#Add more emoji slots

Not enough for em guffy stuff

[cold venture]

(I really only use half of mine)

Beta one is used when things are looking good, angry and the wolf one is used when things are looking bad, and we may lose, sah is the victory emote

[magic pawn]

U got non f2p emotes too dont u?

🥲 i want more free emotes

[cold venture]

A few, the sah medal one was from a grand premium pass

The toilet was a web store bonus

[magic pawn]

Xd

[wet dirge]

The ones I use
P.lux: After winning, or almost there, against a really cocky player that won't stop using emojis
Glyptosavis: When the fight is just boring/too easy. Rarely use that because on that situations seems too toxic
Toy Rex: AFK player in raids, especially if is using a healer.
Bumpy/egg: a raid that against all odds, went successfully
Segno: Unlucky plays or just really bad plays, wheter be mine or opponent's
Skorpiostegotps: Comebacks/close calls

[ember adder]

... ok yea so we are letting them get away with it that was their plan so they won sure so this thread is now useless

also tell that to newer I'm sure they will be happy to hear it

[cold venture]

I doubt anyone is happy about it, but at least there's accessible strats, i doubt there's anything we can do anyway

[ember adder]

even if there's million strat I'd rather have rend back because yk how when they buff old stuff they can effect bosses like cera haast hadros all got effected by buffs

or even new bosses are gonna be very hard

[cold venture]

Id love if they change it, but to be quite frank, my problem was moreso that spino A was too hard, I didn't care how that got fixed, and while nothing changed and its a loss, we have the strats that if I was faced with this vs another great change (actually useful raid chat as a example) good chance I'm choosing that, i do wish they would rebalance spino A raid, but its fairly manageable with the strats we found (thanks solely to the community)

[ember adder]

ig that's why they won't change it because "but" can we just not let them get away with this? they did bleed bad and now rend and we again are like "but we got this this and that" no ik the community worked hard but that was desperation not inspiration we wanted fast temporary solution for it that's why when you get stabbed with knife and doctor just puts bandaid and you are like "yep that's better than nothing"

[magic pawn]

Im not saying im happy im saying I'd rather have better chat than this tho

[ember adder]

ok so let's see fixing rend which has no problems and no one complaining or having chat for randoms that can result in
1- language barrier because not everyone has same language or everyone can speak English so if you trying to speak to French person or Spanish person they won't understand what you mean

2-by the time you are typing people might already have chosen their moves making time you are trying stuff is just waste.
3- egoistic people who won't listen and think what they have in mind is better plan
4- people who mute any sort of chatting which are so many
5-trolls and those who love to spam and ruin chat

[magic pawn]

We are asking for better chat options not a full on chat

As u said it'd take too long to type out

[cold kraken]

Bro just wrote a whole paragraph

[ember adder]

because we don't straight priorities here this is about rend fix and we have it typed here as balancing creatures for raids and suggestions for raids that doesn't even begin to fix the issue the title of this channel has

then we go and say "oh we strats that's ok for us" and I bet you when they see that yea we have strats they will be like "ok so we won't change because it's fine now"

[magic pawn]

The chat would help this issue tho

[magic pawn]

We never said it was fine

[ember adder]

how does better chat solve rend damage...

[magic pawn]

Ur changing our words

[ember adder]

I'm saying let's focus on rend and everything else can be discussed elsewhere

[magic pawn]

Solve x help....
Learn the difference

[cold kraken]

I smell an argument on the way

[ember adder]

how can better chat help rend deal more damage

here you go

[magic pawn]

Nah i think it's time to finally not engage in a pointless argument as the other side clearly doesn't understand many things in English and changes our words to fit their arguments

For the sake of saving the few braincells left after my classmates (they so stupid it hurts xd)

[ember adder]

ok so let's get this straight without word twisting or any arguments.
this channel is about fixing rend we want rend to be better so the old strats are back to their glory and we don't have to be in a raid for 14 turns so either

1-revert rend back to what it was
2-change bosses resistances
3- new move or something that makes rend very useful and deal more damage
anything that has no direct change in making rend deal more damage just open new suggestion and type there having better chat or buffing creatures or introducing new strats doesn't match what channel is about.

[magic pawn]

who is in raid for 14 turns????????

[tranquil cave]

hadros lux used to be 16 turns then improved to 12 turns then 8 turns and 4 turns

[ember adder]

ignored everything and focus on one singular tiny number I just said randomly.... I mean not to have "long" raids

[magic pawn]

i didnt ignore it

[quasi frost]

I'm still here and still mad. Rend needs to be fixed.

Also, anyone saying there are bigger problems than the rend fix, go create a suggestion for it and chat on that thread.

This one is for people who want to complain about this particular topic. 😉

https://tenor.com/view/fix-it-snl-oscar-rogers-weekend-update-kenan-thompson-gif-10667500

[magic pawn]

i was just saying better chat would help and not saying they shouldnt fix it

[quasi frost]

You were saying there are bigger fish to fry. That's you're opinion and totally ok but to argue that in a chat where people are upset about a certain topic is probably moot hun.

[ember adder]

are we still not going to fix rend

[pale quartz]

They really don't care what we think. They forgot how the Orion fans are disappointed, they won't listen to us if we say that a creature needs a redesign, they won't make the raids rotating, so we don't have to defeat the same boss over the years, etc...

Jamcity just don't care. I would say something ugly, but I would definitely get ban from here then.

[slim charm]

This game is cooked

I announce it, either the situation improves or the game might get cooked in 5 years or less

[pale quartz]

I give it 2-3 years

[short berry]

there's no way this game is surviving one more year if they continue

they've already lost their biggest content creator on the game and hundreds of people that quit due to omegas

even creators that make videos on the game are starting to get sick of it and want to take more time away from it

[cold venture]

Personally I feel the game is gonna be powered by whales no matter how much things feel dire to us, just like it's been for the last few years

[tidal hazel]

the thing that will make this raid fair and easier is removing the thing of spino increasing it's speed and healing a lot . especially last rounds

[cold venture]

I think remove shatter from the rampage and the reduced damage cleanse from the heal

[tidal hazel]

yeah

[cold venture]

That should make it manageable moreso, team shielder and distracters

[magic pawn]

Still here still mad

[drowsy marsh]

Ok

[ember adder]

so I decided to run spino with randoms and... I went with 30 Battles and so far 0 wins

0/30 and yet no fixes

[red yacht]

Masochist

[ember adder]

make it 0/50

[red yacht]

my comment stans even harder now

[ember adder]

tbf... I'm going for 100

to gain percentage

[red yacht]

if they nerfed rend and dot resists on multiple bosses i'd be happy...

[cold venture]

Honestly only thing i really want changed is spino A, other raids would be cool, but id count it as a win with just spino A