Revert the rend fix in raids

[lofty crater]

They seem to be really good at gaslighting the whole community

[short berry]

Really good? Brother look at how many upvotes this thread has

[lofty crater]

I know everyone is pissed I'm pissed there is content creators pissed and I unsubbed to vip because of this
The only way to get them to listen is to stop giving them money

They could give less about the community as rather line there pockets

[short berry]

ProC's pissed so at least we have a good creator supporting this

But either way VIP is kinda a scam because you're not really missing out on much

[lofty crater]

I had it to support the game and hopefully they didn't make stupid decisions like this
(And extra dart dna)

[autumn abyss]

I got it for the increased range. Helps a lot when you're stuck in place.

[smoky stump]

exactly

I made early raid strats
I can confidently tell you that rend has been like this the entire time

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/allstate-gotta-be-quicker-than-that-fishing-gif-11607646

https://tenor.com/view/daireb-gif-26213999

[soft geyser]

CG raid when?

[cold venture]

I disagree, assuming you are active, the extra darting dna is amazing, especially for the events

[zealous lodge]

waiter waiter ceratosaurus gen 2 please

[zealous lodge]

who's proc now agai

[cold venture]

Would like it as long as its not as hard as spino A

[zealous lodge]

can it break shields

[cold venture]

Alien newt made a video on the new strat, later gotta see if it has his opinion on the change (it gets to me he called it a buff to the raid when it's a nerf to everything else

[cold venture]

Shields may be its weakness like spino A has dodge

[wet dirge]

I guess they are gonna do absolutely nothing about it

[zealous lodge]

bruj

[cold venture]

Official documentation that they are looking at feedback

[wet dirge]

They also said that about empty maps, and it took them about 2 weeks or more to fix it. I wouldn't have any hopes that they will change raids, at least not in a long time

[cold venture]

I think it will happen, but when is the question

[past jasper]

Well it'll be like the boost token
Probably in 10 years

Or sometimes
For 2 day
And it'll be bugged again

[cold venture]

I Definitely recommend looking for more and more accessible strats still

[wet dirge]

I still don't get why they only go fast when the bug is beneficial to the player. They didn't even wait an hour to start fixing the Scorpius Rex 3 instead of Scorp Rex 2 thing. Yet it takes them weeks or months to fix the weird map hitboxes (raids, coin chests,...) empty maps or absence of close range spawns

[rotund stream]

Apparently this works

[short berry]

It does indeed but still doesn't fix this pickle we're in

[cold venture]

From calculations and seeing the creators experience it does

It's not the most accessible though, not many players have sah or lv 16 sin

[rotund stream]

yeah exactly

[cold venture]

Currently options seem to be a maxed rexy or dilo, sah, lv 16 sin, or lv 25 ptor

I also don't get how precise bound and bite is intended, it doesn't even do anything bound, and it's overall a nerf

I feel its just them not caring to fix it

[uncut gyro]

There's a 2t brachi strat out there

Just every specific sinraptor builds

[uncut gyro]

Removing credits are we

[tranquil cave]

any strategy requiring specific build is not really viable

[cold venture]

It still works

[uncut gyro]

Can agree.
Nuke sinraptors ruin it with crits I believe but other than that it's pretty doable

[cold venture]

Also just looked at alien newts video, he doesn't state a outright opinion, but there was definitely a disagreement on the player feedback part

[red yacht]

i noticed that too...

[cold venture]

I completely agree with his quote that we don't stand still, and we adapt, even if jamcity is bullheaded on keeping it as is, we will continue to find more accessible strats as long as they exist

[soft geyser]

Shields would likely be viable in CG raid and CG would have less health

[cold venture]

Can see more crit related and faster cunning priorities

[rotund stream]

okay my bad

well, it's from here https://youtu.be/2T_WhqxDjO8

[rotund stream]

Yeah i couldn't get the whole pic, the video only showed the one i posted (in other words, credits wasn't shown in the video either)

[soft geyser]

Not to douse kerosene on the raging fire or anything..... But remember the past 3 months when they were selling 3500 ravaties for 50 USD every week or 3?

Right as people were able to get them to lvl 21........

[zealous lodge]

okay so i won't be able to get more spinoA dna for a long time

i had to rely on the dual ptor/andrewtherium/rexy strat

[cold venture]

They knew what they where doing giving the skin out lol

[soft geyser]

I'm all for getting rid of cats in raids but this wasn't how they should have done this

[brazen gull]

Fix the raids, you ruined every single strategy that has rend for any boss

[autumn abyss]

Well nothing is going to happen over the weekend anyway.

Come Monday it will have been a week of their screw up.

Insert the song One Week by Barenaked Ladies here.

[glossy halo]

I don’t see it happening in the near future if it happens at All, however there has been quite alot of talk that the resistances(mainly focused on spino boss) will likely be adjusted to accommodate the change

[atomic latch]

If this was the case (not) thylos double rend would one shot any boss on first round without damage buff or affliction. But coincidentally they buff all raid bosses rend resistances to an even higher percentage

[atomic latch]

Okay yes and no, the scorpius rex was like 3 hours which was absolutely shocking because when anky lux ended up on the map it was probably gone within 30 minutes. Idk about the 250k hard cash (I wasn’t on at the time or even playing so someone else will have to confirm how fast they fixed that) but I’ve stated that before how much of a clown they are to shove a giant middle finger into the community’s face because any bug that is annoying or widely complained about is never fixed or even addressed (like rn the bug where you start a match and can’t choose a Dino) but affliction being first introduced allowing raid bosses to be beaten in 1 turn (dot would somehow kill all three rounds) nobody complained about that (why would they) but they go and fix it anyways. Jamcity is stupid

[cold venture]

I like seeing a normally not amazing raid creature in raids, but I am also for variety

[short berry]

JamCity isn't stupid, they're way too greedy. They want to be the next Amazon which they can keep dreaming about

[atomic latch]

Exactly so they’re stupid thinking they’re gonna get more money when they won’t, unless they do another 250k hard cash incubator again

[short berry]

Yeah this idea of theirs where they wall any way to do the raid in order for idgt and others to just get it from the shop isn't working at all

Last time I checked, idgt's latest video had his spino at lvl 17 just like all of us

[atomic latch]

Why would he spend money anyways, he sees they just spam omegas

But he gets paid by them so even jamcity loses money because they’re paying these high league players

[short berry]

I wouldn't say they're really paying him

[atomic latch]

Well I don’t think he’s bringing in 5k from his YouTube videos either

[short berry]

He makes content on it sure but it's not like ludia paid beaver during 2.15 when he was beginning to be a whale

[atomic latch]

Yeah but how else is he getting all of the high level stuff then

I don’t even think this would bring in 50$

But he’s got how many omegas level 30? I don’t think he’s spending that much money when he’s getting nothing out of it

[short berry]

Since idgt gets at least 3k views that's around 90 dollars enough to buy a big Inc so all he has to do is literally produce a lot of videos and he making bank

[atomic latch]

Dude where did you even get this information this sounds waay out in left field

[short berry]

Quick YouTube search lol

[atomic latch]

Okay you need to send it because I’m getting this

[short berry]

https://youtu.be/KA5FmevAzTc?si=gu-9lQjBgveuTe0e

[cold venture]

I'm not sure how much money you get from it,but being as big as idgt I can see it paying off

[short berry]

Me too

Especially since he makes a lot of videos everyday

Anyways this is getting off topic, where were we?

[cold venture]

It also apparently ranges pretty far with gaming channels getting less

[atomic latch]

I messaged you my response

[short berry]

Aight

[haughty mica]

The game doesn’t respect players time.

Raids should not take over 10 minutes each to complete.

[wooden bramble]

Most don't take over 10 minutes of using a strat that doesn't take 15 turns

[sterile star]

You know, when i was arguing about how doubtful i was about the battle simulator, i didn't realize that its calculations were so hugely wrong.Geez.

[autumn abyss]

The strats that take maybe 1-2 turns a round are now either nonexistent due to the rend and dot change or are just unaccessible for a large portion of players for specific raids.

I literally can't do spino at all right now since my alliance doesn't have the right ptors, nor do I have either sah or sin at required levels.

It's frustrating I can't make grinding go any faster when there a limit on omegas per week and scuto is. Ot in my area currently so I have to rely on sancs.

[rotund stream]

The raid simulator is still in pre-alpha, so..

[haughty mica]

turns say nothing about how long a raid actually runs for. you can 6 turn a hadros and it still takes like 1-2 minutes for every action on screen to happen each turn.

also "this is how we intended raids to work from the start" yeah i doubt. the raids were allowed to exist as they were for over a year and no one complained. this sounds like a big fat lie.

[smoky stump]

4 years

[tranquil cave]

in my opinion DoT and raids were never intended to work as they did in raids for the past 4 years but given nobody complained about it it was never reported as a bug and they never fixed it, I am really curious as to why they looked into it now as it messes up most of the raid strategies for many raid bosses that are useless anyway but it is still useful to run them in a decent amount of time

the only fix I can see to this mess is to review the resistances to DoT, rend and affliction for all raid bosses

and decrease them of course

[smoky stump]

nerfing the raids that rely on rend could also work

[tranquil cave]

to make 1 turn per round strategies again

[smoky stump]

why should I spend an hour getting 400 spino dna

[tranquil cave]

exactly

[smoky stump]

which is about 1% of what you need to max it

less then 1%

[tranquil cave]

brachio, nemys, troodaboa, hadros, spino are all affected at the moment

It is not possible to farm these raids anymore it takes too much time

[smoky stump]

never seen a rend based Tboa strat

[tranquil cave]

2 rexy and 2 thylo 3 turns it, no longer works now of course

[smoky stump]

ah
I alwaus autofill it

[tranquil cave]

i never autofill I don't have time to lose

[uncut gyro]

I made it.
It was pretty low requirements too.

Now completely butchered 🫠

[haughty mica]

The high Rend and bleed and afflict resistance doesn’t make sense anymore

[smoky stump]

sucks

[haughty mica]

Without creatures at like 27k plus damage many apex raids also take forever now

And most people rather use those boosts for pvp rather than raids anyway.

It really only makes sense cunning raid bosses to have high bleed resistance, since they can just cleanse it anyway. Rend resistance can still be a thing but nerf it to like 40-60% for things that aren’t fierce. Affliction resistance is also too high given the only good affliction moves are a level 21 omega or an apex. Which can’t be used in most raids.

Rend resistance on cunning bosses could also be lower since damage reduction also reduces Rend.

If the Rend and Bleed resistances are not going to be nerfed then give the creatures you get form raids some of those resistance.

[haughty mica]

I would replace the turn 1 group rampage for group strike. Turn 2 and round 2 can stay the same. Instant Rend is something craniax has so not complaining, after that instant impact rather than group rampage. Start round 4 with group fierce strike. That would make this far more manageable.

[tranquil cave]

2 turns strategy for mortem rex raid no longer works

even 3 turns strategy fail because afs is not performing anymore in mrex raid

[smoky stump]

if rend was never intended to be like this
then why are the resistances so high

almost like
it was

[tranquil cave]

plus the health buff on mrex makes reaching the threatened status harder

totally shambolic

👏 👏 👏 scamdia

[smoky stump]

there was no need

was anyone actually complaining

[tranquil cave]

probably because it was using total health instead of the boss health so they had to put high resistance to ensure all rounds were going to happen

[smoky stump]

exactly

[tranquil cave]

only accounting i guess

[smoky stump]

because it was intended to work like that

[tranquil cave]

i don't think they intend anything, they code then see what happens...

[smoky stump]

maybe

[short berry]

I just wanna talk to the person who complained about that

[slim charm]

It makes no sense since rend has allways had max hp into account (round hp is partial hp, not total hp)

[smoky stump]

yeah guys why was
Megistotherium required

[short berry]

I think the people who were complaining were in badlands or smth lmao

[slim charm]

Basically dont know what they are speaking about

[smoky stump]

so the solution was to make it that only 3 creatures were reliable in the raid

[cold kraken]

People who were complaining are probably little kids who don't get rend is supposed to do

[slim charm]

Yup

Rend used to be better pre 2.0 (as we all know there wasnt no rend res)

So if they cry now, imagine how they would cry back then

[short berry]

Yeah but they at least knew how to not make it op

[smoky stump]

rend res was supposed to be a pretty rare thing from what I remember
it is not

afflict will probably end up in the same situation

[slim charm]

Not taking to account dinos like 93 classic who just negate it by being immune

[short berry]

It was pretty rare and the rend was kept under 70% so they didn't have to add a rend immunity

[smoky stump]

yeah rend immunity should not exist

[slim charm]

It basically rends thylos t1 useless

Or rending counters obsolete

[smoky stump]

I recon only stuff from the original immunity lines - Indonemys

• Orion and Trebax
  should have rend res

[short berry]

I agree
If rend has a resistance then why doesn't regular damage have a resistance

[smoky stump]

just because it makes sense for Orion and Trebax

[short berry]

True

[slim charm]

Dimetrodons and ornithomimids also used to be immune (looking at you proceratomimus)

[smoky stump]

yes
the original immunity lines

[short berry]

Procerathomimus used to be so good because of that

[slim charm]

I think the regular damage resistance is supposed to be armor (wich is sometimes useless)

[short berry]

But even then I'd put their rend resistance at 50% or smth just something not so high

[smoky stump]

this is also an issue with new creatures just stacking resistances

[short berry]

That can be bypassed and no creature has 100% Armor without buffs

[rotund stream]

for now

[slim charm]

75% rend res is also stupid, if dracov reduces thylos dmg and dodges (at lvl 26) DRA deals a total of 90 something dmg

[slim charm]

That is y it is sometimes useless

[smoky stump]

it make sense on Monolometro and arguably trebax

[slim charm]

Yes

[short berry]

Yes

[slim charm]

They used to be immune

[smoky stump]

aside from that
nothing should have 75%+

[short berry]

I say give to the original immune creatures like the Indominus bloodline and stuff

[smoky stump]

Trebax wasn't but it is the main cunning apex

[slim charm]

Yes ik

[smoky stump]

Dime rigs and hybrids
Mimus rigs and hybrids
Indom rigs and hybrids -indonemys due to the bulk and armour

[slim charm]

The old system punished those who werent immune but didnt lead to such an imbalance as we have now

[smoky stump]

yeah the immune meta was nowhere near as bad as this is

[short berry]

Imagine the immune system nowadays

[slim charm]

It wasnt perfect but at least there wasnt such a problem as 100% rend res and such

[slim charm]

Probably there would be no broken apexes

[short berry]

Yeah like at least the creatures had good counters

[smoky stump]

stuff is immune to distract, stun and decel now
which are the main 3

[slim charm]

Everyone would have a decent chance at being countered

100 % stun moves would be even worse but yeah

[short berry]

Honestly to just give immunity some flaws they can just like pre2.0 not add rend or affliction as a resistance

[slim charm]

I agree

[short berry]

It'd make this game way more balanced

[slim charm]

One of the main problems today is the complexity of the moves (take smet as an example)

[short berry]

That too

But that already started with Indoraptor Gen 2

[slim charm]

It is hard to understand at 1st but when u understand it it either stays in your head, or u keep being clueless

[short berry]

Apexes made it worse

[slim charm]

Mf, Cs and defenite rampage

[short berry]

2.0 as a whole changed a lot of stuff in the game

[short berry]

Cautious Strike was the worst one because it had so much stuff going on and it had some resistances too

[slim charm]

Other thing I hate is the variable atack values (the old 1x. 1.5x 2x 2,5x and 3x system was beter)

[short berry]

Oh yeah now it's even more confusing than ever

[slim charm]

No need for like 1.33x , 1.66x and moves that attack twice

[smoky stump]

we could probably make this a seperate thread honestly

[slim charm]

U should also get counter atacked twice

[short berry]

Omegas was the last straw to kill any simplicity in the game

[short berry]

I want a thread where everyone can list good ideas in it

[slim charm]

Came to make the last enjoyable game mode (skill tournaments ) p2w

[short berry]

I repeat good

Omegas just need a whole lot of balancing

Something ludia was good at

[tranquil cave]

max hp is round hp as the boss never has more hp than what is has in a round, total hp is the sum of the hp from all rounds

[slim charm]

Bro I am reffering to how the fix doesnt make sense since rend allways targets max hp (total raid hp) not individual round hp (a portion of max hp)

It shouldnt be limited to deducting a percentage of round hp. Should remove a percentage of the max raid hp (even if it is enough to finish a round from turn 1)

[tranquil cave]

and i am saying max hp and total hp is not the same

[slim charm]

Max hp in raids should have been the same as total hp

Since round hp is just a portion of total

[tranquil cave]

then they should change the wording for the moves description for raids and pvp being different

the real issue is the resistances to dot, affliction and rend now, they no longer make sense

[smoky stump]

yeah they're too high

[autumn abyss]

I mean asking why you need specific creatures isn't a bad question.

The fact that jam city couldn't provide a proper explination and jsut completly ruined the raids and made them harder in response to that question is what's wrong.

[short berry]

I get that it's not a bad question it's just a really weird one to ask

Most people have pantherator so asking why we need it and it only to do the raid is pretty stupid

[autumn abyss]

I mean, asking why a raid is so difficult that only certain creatures are required and can beat it is a valid question.

Having the creature doesn't negate the elephant in the room. Jam city took it as an opportunity to buff the raids and hopefully make some money off of people not being able to do them anymore.

[slim charm]

I agree, the affliction one renders afliction useless, and cant be aflicted

[short berry]

I mean
It ain't my problem you didn't pay attention to the weekly events and islas 💀

Also if you're new just wait a bit you ain't gonna get an apex in one month

There probably won't be again

Just wait. The events include Rexy and PB every once in a while

Be patient

[tranquil cave]

just make the wild legendary and unique creatures daily spawns with a weekly limit, problem solved

[slim charm]

Best solution to the problem I've seen being suggested so far

[past jasper]

How is that going to fix the rend problem ?

[tranquil cave]

Not for rend it was about what others were talking about earlier with lack of pb and all

[quasi frost]

Still here and still mad. Sorry for the delay. 🤣

[past jasper]

Oh okay, my Bad, sorry for that !

[smoky stump]

if we get any changes they'll be next week

[quasi frost]

I’ll keep complaining though. For the cause.

[pale stirrup]

They’re just mad because the “hardest boss” was really easy to beat within 4 turns

[cold venture]

It is the hardest boss, as you can sew by what happened when it's weakness went away

I, understand the change, but they should have made some alters before they fix it so what happened didn't happen, although while I understand it, it's not really necessary either

[autumn abyss]

Day 7 of being angry about the rend change.

Day 7 of FIX IT

[tranquil cave]

the bleed change was at least an update ago if not more so definitely more than day 7 🤣

[autumn abyss]

Fixed it

[haughty cipher]

They claimed some players pissed and pooped themselves for not having Pantherator for the raid, so where is the list of those players now, hmm? 👀

[past jasper]

Intersting

[smoky stump]

the raid is tomorrow
we need a fix

[cold venture]

The exact claim was "players are mad that ptor is so required"

But instead of fixing that issue, the killed ptors use

[cold venture]

I plan on getting mine today, but for those unlucky enough to not have sah, 25 ptor, or a buff rexy I hope they fix it

[smoky stump]

yeah I have nothing that works for it

so I'm just locked out of a raid I could previously do

[autumn abyss]

I have a lv 25 ptor, but the rest of my alliance is either too low or too high. And forget auto fill.

[tranquil cave]

never ran this raid once with ptor...

2 level 21 thylos 2 level 26 sah

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-this-is-the-way-the-armorer-mandalorian-gif-25545276

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-is-da-wae-this-is-da-wae-this-is-the-way-da-wae-ugandan-knuckles-gif-25797533

[cold venture]

There is the gamepress server if you want to find others easy?

[tranquil cave]

add coins to raid incubators it would be good for the community

[cold venture]

I did ptor when I autofill, buy more often the 2 sah 2 thylos strat with a planned team

[tranquil cave]

why would i help anyone for 30 trex dna and 80 carno

[autumn abyss]

With my schedule auto fill tended to work the best.

[cold venture]

This, plus it's often I don't feel like dealing with the planned raid fill process

[past jasper]

Wait

They DELETED my message ???

Gg JC now you don't even want us to talk

[smoky stump]

huh

[short berry]

What was the message?

I thought the one you replied to was the message but you can DM me it if it gets removed again

[past jasper]

Gonna put it again because I said NOTHING wrong

So they fix a "bug" asked by, probably non existent people that helps most of the community , but when people complain about real bugs, ass designs, balancing, or coins issue they don't listen the community

[past jasper]

It was about the response of the design lead, visibly they don't liked that

[short berry]

I think it got removed because you said ahh

[cold venture]

Someone actually likes it 💀

[short berry]

That's the same person who plays the game for only 30 minutes a day

Probably

[autumn abyss]

Wow.

[cold venture]

They do realize that nothing will kill strats right? It's nearly impossible to do it with skill alone lol

[autumn abyss]

I mean, my fiancé said spino should be hard. But he hasent played in years.

[short berry]

I play for around 2 hours daily, I don't got time to improvise neither does 97% of the people here. I want to do other things quickly.

[past jasper]

What's even the skill needed against a mindless AI

[short berry]

You shouldn't make the raid 30 minutes long if the moves don't change nor does the challenges it requires to defeat it, if it was something like the Isla event where the reward is incredibly worth it then I agree, it should be hard but this is a pretty mid omega it shouldn't be that hard just give me my DNA to get on with my day

[past jasper]

Like for mortem on auto join raids, people mostly go for distraction and dodge and that's it...

No skill involved, just a little bit of strategy on what you should bring on

[short berry]

Exactly

[cold venture]

Ngl I do agree most raids are easy, however this just makes spino A impossible, with barely any effect on the other, and the rewards also aren't high enough that challenging makes sense

[short berry]

Exactly

Don't make it hard if it's not worth it

[past jasper]

Tbh 5/6 minutes is the most for me
Like Pogo raids are 6 minutes max and even the hardest one can be done in a few minutes with good pokemon or even meh ones
Now, in JWA you NEED overpowered dino that are hard af to get or some that are less difficult to get but you need to be 20 minutes on the game

[cold venture]

Also a good point, the AI are predictable in a way that every raid is the same, why strats can exist so easy (even if it picked moves randomly, which happened once and they reverted it per backlash people would make a strat still, just harder to ensure it works with all possibilities)

[short berry]

Not just that, you also have to organise a team and make sure nobody screws up and get a strat that actually works before you do the raid

[rotund stream]

I'll agree on him that raid should be hard,

However a boss being this hard as spaghetti aegypticus is way too hard

[smoky stump]

I like when raids aren't comically easy
but I also like not spending hours on one

[past jasper]

Exactly

[cold venture]

Always found it wierd they decided to make omega raids unlock alongside apex

[short berry]

If they want to make it hard, make it worth it. Make it worth my goddang time lol

A year just to max Spino Aeg when it'll get out of the meta by then is ridiculous

[cold venture]

I think gorgotrebax should be the goal, but it also should give 50 dna

[short berry]

And maybe some ahm ahm

COINS

[magic pawn]

Yh agreed... they made it even more require using exact creatures making it hardly any fun since a lot of ppl dont own the good creatures... well yh it may be doable woth 4 pantheras still if they use their brain but that means one dumb person and it's a loss... and there is no good communication mid raid so how are we supposed to even coordinate (before the "fix" i know it often happened that 2 ppl used rent on accident bc both thought that they will be the one to do it since no one did yet)

And like in the lobby... ppl can take trash (unfitting for the raid) dinos and u can tell them to change but they can change to a different trash dino and u cant even tell them to change again...

[cold venture]

At least you used to be able to recover with a mistake, not anymore

[magic pawn]

And even if u could it could take a long time till they switch to something good if they even have anything good

[magic pawn]

Yep

[autumn abyss]

Golden silence again from jam city.

THIS WILL NEVER BLOW OVER

[magic pawn]

Now it's pretty much only for p2w of super end game players bc they have the variety of creatures needed

[magic pawn]

Yh😐

@rotund stream could u push this through to them? Cause it really feels like they don't even bother to read this (Sr for the ping)

[red yacht]

i normally used the double magna strat or the double thylos sah strat before the change. but i don't autofill over epic.

and the times i did the ptor strat, it was just too long with all the counters. i was more likely to do the triple ptor strat when we couldn't find a 4th...

and now i'm using the double sinraptor strat or the double dilo rexy strat the last week so far.

[rotund stream]

I don't know, can i? you tell me, nah but for real,

I'm 99% sure that Mattiodon will type here once we get an update on this, which is hopefully soon

[magic pawn]

I have a feeling he didn't even bother reading this...

[smoky stump]

he has been talking in here

they clearly know people aren't happy

[rotund stream]

@magic pawn

[magic pawn]

Yh i don't exactly believe that...

[autumn abyss]

It's not like the mods know what jam city is doing. They're going to get whatever info JC feeds them.

Until then, they get thr brunt of the hate since they're the ones that actually speak to us. Almost a shoot the messenger kind of thing.

[rotund stream]

To be honest, i've "Known" mattiodon for a while now, and i can ensure he would never lie about something like this, i'm pretty sure he's a player himself, and that they also understand the frustration

[magic pawn]

If U say so

[smoky stump]

It seems unlikely that they'd just not do anything

[rotund stream]

^

also this

[past jasper]

On my side I don't trust mods anymore
They did the same thing for boost token and look what we have now, almost none...
JC visbly won't do anything about that because why would they, people are mindlessly giving them money so no reason to really listen to the community

[short berry]

Wdym by "known" him, like do you talk to him?

[past jasper]

Yeah nah
Visbly when 4 people complained about that they instantly did the change but when the whole community is complaining about known problems they visibly don't care (For example, balancing)
They would already have lowered it from now After our complains
Any dev would
Just look at Genshin for example
While on JWA they visibly do not want to
It's not like reverting that would be really long or anything like that
They just won't do anything even if we complain because we visibly are nothing for JC

[rotund stream]

I do not mean in real life (obviously) lol

[past jasper]

(Btw I know what I'm talking about I do code, it's pretty simple to revert that)

[short berry]

Yeah no shi lol

[rotund stream]

I do code a lot too, even make games, and as they said, it was a bug on their side, now i know what you might say "Oh they just want players to suffer" or something like that, however, I have been giving as much feedback as possible to the team on what they could do to make the raid easier now,

Yes of course you can be mad about stuff, however it would be nice if you don't scream it all out on the team, as i'm sure they're trying to find a solution to this (i know i sound like a jamcity simp right now, but you get what i mean)

[magic pawn]

As u mentioned genshin that also reminds me... when short range spawns were not working it obviously meant a big issue for many players... but a compensation? Nah (at the total end they added the scents but for the long time they did nothing)
While in other games, like genshin or even jwtg they compensate for every bigger issue

Whenever there's a issue, the shop is always full of "stuff to make up for it" but that is not a compensation at all that's more like bait

[autumn abyss]

A simple, we won't be reversing the change, but we are currently working on adjusting the raid would suffice.

And not the we are looking at the data know issues announcement.

[magic pawn]

Bc ofc when the meta cant get it they buy it even more

[past jasper]

Like Qiew said, a simple response would have been great, but they didn't even make that

• Not something that don't give us any real info

[magic pawn]

Like also another thing... i mean yh i cant judge since i dont know how to code but really.... JC is a quite big company.... it can't be that hard to make a such change, no?

[autumn abyss]

Exactly.

They really need to be more transparent. It builds trust, of which they really have none.

[past jasper]

It's really not hard to do, reverting that wouldn't have taken that much time or anything
That's why I tell that they don't care, because it would have been really easy to solve

[magic pawn]

Yh that's why i said i dont believe them

[past jasper]

Same here

Especially After Boost tokens
Almost never obtained

[magic pawn]

But since svandark has always been here interacting with us and giving us his own opinion i do trust him quite a lot

[past jasper]

Community helpers are probably the only one I trust because of Ned
Was one
Always helped us

On the other hand, because JC is on mods back, I don't trust them anymore

Not the mods faults, just the fact that with JC on your back it's really hard to trust anybody

[magic pawn]

Agreed

And i mean sr but it really feels like ever since JC joined in the game has been slowly killing itself

And just starting to kick away the f2ps

And like from what i heard jwtg also has so ppl not being have about the new updates but it's nothing compared to the problems the community has with jwa

[quasi frost]

Here….mad….blah blah.

[magic pawn]

?

[pale quartz]

I feel like JC will not care 'til they get money, because they are starving for that.

[glossy halo]

Same, been struggling ever since this stupid change

[cold venture]

This shouldn't need a lv 27 rexy lol

[short berry]

Damn you're that close?

[ember adder]

I got 500

[short berry]

I got 850 which is the first time I've got something over a 650(I'm really unlucky with the raid)

[cold venture]

Ya Wednesday/Thursday

[autumn abyss]

Should be doable with dimorph.

[short berry]

I need a 650 to get to lvl 18

[short berry]

Dimorphodon🔛🔝

[ember adder]

you are close to me btw mine is 18 with 500 I got today

[cold venture]

Maybe not that weak lol

[cold venture]

I haven't missed any raids yet, haven't bought any

[ember adder]

they never put it in the shop or you would see IDGT running with level 30 by now his is still 17 😂

[cold venture]

They have a few times

Biggest offer of like 4000 after the nerf

[ember adder]

they did?

[cold venture]

Ya here it was (3000 sorry)

Saw a few before too

[short berry]

Or

Can you?🤔

[simple dome]

it's really cool that not only did Ludia gut raids for no reason, whatever they did this last update also made lobbies function noticeably worse. The number of times people get hung up on the "transferring to new lobby" screen has skyrocketed. So not only did they make rend worse (and then call it a bug even though we all know it isn't) they also made an existing bug worse. Great job.

[atomic latch]

But wait! There’s more offers in the store! Mmmm MORE OFFERS!

[soft laurel]

They actively make it worse for f2p lol

[magic pawn]

Exactly

It's been just a week and we are almost at 1.5k messages here yet nothing changed😐

[lofty crater]

Found this on Facebook and if anyone wants to take a peek at it

[tranquil cave]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-geller-gif-26751636

[lofty crater]

Just adding fuel to the fire 😉

[sterile star]

more like, an entire oil tanker amount of fuel added to the fire.

[autumn abyss]

Still here. Still mad. Fix it.

[lofty crater]

Good 😊

[tranquil cave]

https://tenor.com/view/billie-eilish-fire-flame-matchstick-gif-16243809

[tranquil cave]

i would like the list of the members who complained about raids being too fast to run?

even with 1 turn per round strategies it takes 30 to 60 minutes to run them on the day and way more if you run them 11 times

if anything i would like a EvE mode where i put my creature and the engine runs the raid on its own and collect my reward

sick and tired of all the useless animations dragging the raids

[quasi frost]

Good Morning Fellow Complainers! I'm still here and still want this shizzzznit fixed!!!

[smoky stump]

guess who's missing another Spino raid

[ember adder]

yk it's bad when even IDGT agrees with bad change

[short berry]

even the title shows how much he hates this fix

[ember adder]

I'm sure if gamingbeaver cared about the game like he used to he would talk about it but he accepted that this game is dead and moved on to more enjoyable games and I totally don't blame him

[glossy halo]

I’m right there with you

But at least theres now a strategy I can do

[quasi frost]

Hey pookie!

[ember adder]

heya!

[autumn abyss]

Another spio agey I'll miss out on since jam city can't get their crap together

[smoky stump]

yeah I've missed 3 now

[short berry]

that's crazy

[cold venture]

I'm lucky to still have a way to beat them (havnt missed any), but I wish that it wasn't so limited 😕

[smoky stump]

5 creatures

there were way more before the fix

[cold venture]

Seen this one recently, first strat found I can't do

Yet, level up rexy a couple times (coin issues though) and I can

Still way better before

[smoky stump]

ok
7 creatures
and most of them are comically hard to get

even a level 16 sin takes around 10k dna

[cold venture]

I personally don't care what happens to achieve this, but spino A needs to be alot easier

[magic pawn]

Lucky bc i often miss it as my active team members are from almost the other side of the world which is still still kinda alright usually but with the spino raid i dont always have it and they dont always invite when i have time if they even do invite

[cold venture]

I usually look in the gamepress server for members

It's rare I raid with my alliance

[magic pawn]

Oh

We'll i usually raid with randoms

[cold venture]

I prefer Auto full, but that's currently not gonna happen for spino A

[magic pawn]

Sometimes with some ppl random some from alliance

[autumn abyss]

@cold venture thsts a help. I have magnarap I can boost damage on and my tmet is well beyond that damage

[magic pawn]

Well i was able to today and i got a LOT of dna at least... (ig a compensation for the trouble)

[cold venture]

Ironically other than the 1rst one after nerf, since nerf I've had better luck (950 and 700)

Been on a 400 streak otherwise

[magic pawn]

The first time i did the raid today tho it was really messed up... we killed the 1st phase but the game just got stuck making us unable to select moves... not just me but everyone in the raid

So yh i fixed it for me by the disconnect reconnect but the others obviously didn't

So we failed hard... but then we did it when i tried later today with the 4 pantheras... just barely but we did

[cold venture]

Just realized, idgt showed my strat off

[magic pawn]

We just did as we found good... it was some guy with lvl30, me lvl28, and the other 2 were around lvl 23

And the lower 2 were the only to survive 😂
On low hp

[ember adder]

you mean "fix"

[atomic latch]

Did he credit you lol

[cold kraken]

More likely not

[cold venture]

I don't think so, I don't care though

[ember adder]

how can he credit him with strat that doesn't have name 😅

[atomic latch]

How do we know it’s your strat then

[ember adder]

because he made it?

[cold venture]

Because I made it lol, exact notes, moves, and everything lol

[atomic latch]

Proof?

(I‘ve been gaslighting this entire time)

[ember adder]

GP chat

[ember adder]

#850454844622897172 message

very first time he posted it

[autumn abyss]

if anyone needs a 25 ptor, tmet or magnarap, let me know. i can hop on

[sterile star]

So, fun story. i finally managed to play the 2 Sin + Sah in a pug raid and... i ship you not, The entire run can fail if the two Sins have too many atk boosters.
They can in fact make you skip round 1 turn 2, so your team can't gather enough bleeding to one turn round 2.

Basically, my Sin is too strong for that raid. I'm upset beyond any belief

[cold venture]

Hmm, ive seen it tested with quite strong sins

Shoot, the sahs where lv 30 boosted too

[sterile star]

in my try, it was 2 ultra OP sins, 2 vanilla Sah

we were critting all the time for over 6800 damage with each attack

[cold venture]

I just saw apparently they nearly ended it early too, 3400 attack and a 3000 attack

[sterile star]

they somehow didn't crit then

at least in turn 1

[cold venture]

With a 75% 175% crit can be very scary

[short berry]

use this strat if you have huge sins, just make sure that at least one gets a crit or else you're screwed

[cold venture]

Already tested it, doesn't work

[short berry]

worked for me so

you just need to have some really huge sins

I can show you what sins we used

[cold venture]

Intresting, I guess it was only in the toolbox but they got swept t4 iirc

[short berry]

both were lvl 30 so 💀

[cold venture]

That's alot of HP too

[short berry]

yeah so enough to survive r4

[cold venture]

Man sin builds are glass cannons

[short berry]

not all of them

[cold venture]

Most probably

[soft geyser]

You need a lot of luck getting decent teammates

[soft geyser]

That's what's killing Crossout, most people sick of meta shift to skilless trash and the devs don't listen

[autumn abyss]

Day 8? Of fix it already

[quasi frost]

Here. Mad. Fix it.

[glossy halo]

Same

[soft laurel]

Nobody like the rend changes

Revert em back

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-spongebob-dontlettheflamedieout-flame-gif-19163324

[autumn abyss]

Boosted af dilorach or rexy, apex sah, sin ( which breaks the steat with too much damage or crit) and specifically boosted ptors which takes 5x as long.

[soft laurel]

This change rlly only hurts to f2p with their lvl 21 unboosted ptors lol

All the whales will still do fine

[cold venture]

Well, pb has been given enough that if you are a heavy grinder and F2P you could be fine, but it really limits things too much

Really hurts newer players or newer returns

[haughty cipher]

It hurts everyone who doesn't have Sah and a levelled Sin what are you smoking

[soft laurel]

So do u think a casual f2p has at minimum a lvl 21 sin and high level sah

[loud kayak]

Lvl 16 sin

[cold venture]

Sah only needs to be lv 26, sin 16

[tranquil cave]

casual f2p probably still working on their level 30 thor 🤣

[magic pawn]

Yh i have none of that😂

My highest lvl omega is lvl 15 toro

[sleek swift]

These changes hurt the autofill the most

[quasi frost]

Good Morning. Are we working on a fix yet???

It's been over a week and the masses are not happy.

[glossy halo]

Doesn’t look like it

I don’t think they will undo the changes, however they probably will lower the resistances, as they stated it was supposed to be a very hard boss, however I don’t think it should require a full team of heavy boosted lvl 25+ creatures

[autumn abyss]

It was still a hard boss before the change. The strat makers were resourceful in making strats that were attainable for lots of people with the mechanics that have been in place since raid introduction.

JC shouldn't punish the players for their inability to understand the actual issue.

[urban turtle]

Definitely needs to be sorted, autofill is practically impossible with this raid 😅. Would be fine if the counter power heal doesn't cleanse distraction forces you to cheese the raid with affliction.

[urban turtle]

Just tried an autofill with a T3 poukan, lv30 pantherT, lv30 parasauthop and a lv21 pantherT and you don't even get to the 4th round.

[haughty cipher]

the Sah Sin strat does work but needs higher HP Sin
at 1486 HP mine died at the third round

[haughty mica]

The boss also could use a nerf to having group rampage first turn

[soft geyser]

Happy whale noises

[soft geyser]

You need maxed out creatures with actually intelligent people controlling them

All it takes is 1 tard or something not maxed out to screw you over

[zealous lodge]

1 what

[urban turtle]

Finally 😅 only took finding 2 people using sah and one using dilorach

[lofty crater]

Bird

Is

The
Word

[magic pawn]

Yh today i gave up... we lost and it had 2.4k hp left... bc the mf healed

[zealous lodge]

bird is the word

[magic pawn]

And i also lost like 4 other times

Today...😐 so i give up on today

[drowsy marsh]

Bird is the word

[pale quartz]

Bird is the word

[magic pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-shocktin-tin-tin-gif-19381323

[smoky stump]

how good is the Poukan?

[pale stirrup]

There’s a good Strat that works

All you need is 2 sinraps at 16 with at least 3k hp and 2 sah

[short berry]

the problem isn't with the amount of strats

it's about how accessable they are

I mean this is the only raid made from a "new" rarity which has a terrible reward with high difficulty

[cold venture]

I think the rewards are fine, but the difficulty is too high

I expected worse ngl

[short berry]

the reward is ok don't get me wrong but for how hard it is it should've been better

this is basically Gorgotrebax 2.0

[cold venture]

I just think it's too hard overall

[atomic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-family-guy-bird-is-the-word-peter-griffin-seth-mac-farlane-gif-5489193

Sorry I just had to 💀

[haughty cipher]

you mean Impetrasho 2.0

[ember adder]

uhm people found that first day of nerf lmao and it isn't even working for big sins

[cold venture]

Iirc that was found Wednesday or Thursday

[ember adder]

it was somewhere near late Tuesday Early Wednesday

basically first day or 2

[cold venture]

Somewhere there, although thinking about it Wednesday when I did my Thursday one the 4 ptor one was the only one we had

Thinking about it I think I remember that night we where chatting about exact specs needed

[ember adder]

it was there just no stats

[pale quartz]

[steady parrot]

Returning player here, what in the world is this raid. I wasn’t around to dart the omega used in these strats and my panther is lvl 24 with some boosts that I think throw that strat out the window. My highest lvl Dino is my new Mortem and the panther, I’m doomed

[pale quartz]

This game is doomed, not us.

[magic pawn]

That's why this thread exists

[soft laurel]

I rlly wish they would just stop making the game worse with these "questionable" decisions

[smoky stump]

its been
1 week 3 days

let's not

[short berry]

I'm joking lol

[smoky stump]

ik
still maybe not the best thing to joke about

[short berry]

really? damn yeah I'm deleting that

I stepped too far mb

[smoky stump]

yeah dw about it

[sleek swift]

What is your plan Devs?

[quasi frost]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gif-6815166390687140758

That’s their plan.

[soft laurel]

The plan is to ignore the player base

[haughty cipher]

It's both funny and sad to see randos thinking their rend dinos gonna do anything now

[soft laurel]

auto filling is hell rn

[haughty cipher]

Hadros is even more tedious rn

[magic pawn]

19 more days and this thread will be closed..... :/

[soft laurel]

starting to feel like they will just ignore this....

[zealous lodge]

yeah

[tranquil cave]

same story with short range spawns... still not working as it used to

and it works, people stopped complaining

or they closed the thread

[smoky stump]

ig its because of short range scents

[tranquil cave]

indeed but 1 short range scent a week does not compensate not being able to dart short range spawns every day

anyway an easy fix would be to review the DoT, rend and affliction resistances of all the raids since they no longer behave as they used to

just saying

[magic pawn]

@rotund stream u sure mattiodon is really doing something and reading this?

[short berry]

he does read these chats but he doesn't have to make us acknowledge that all the time

[magic pawn]

But he never really does 😂

And since nothing has changed yet.. not even any news on this topic

Im having doubts

And i think a lot of us are having them

[past jasper]

Nah some like me wanna complain but we get TO everytime
Like last Time I was joking with Matek that Ref and power of friendship would beat Skoonamet and I got TO

Heck we got 1650 response and 140 sort of upvotes but nothing

They don't care about us at this point they just wanna make like they do

[glossy halo]

What creatures you got, it made it difficult for me but I haven’t missed yet

[autumn abyss]

Basically only a lv 25 ptor. Don't have sah. Sin is too low level. Don't have a megaboosted rexy or dilorach.

25 unboosted ptor
30 max booste tmet
And I could make a decent magnarap.

[glossy halo]

There’s a new tmet strat that’s in the works

It’s only 4 turns as well

Requires 2 3k ish damage apex rap, 1 3k Rexy and 3k tmet

Should be approved and finalized by Tuesday

Or so

[magic pawn]

"Old" threads were still used and got closed anyway

[magic pawn]

I won't say the person's dinos are everything bc this raid is a one that needs the whole team to be good

[autumn abyss]

Thanks for the heads up. If anyone needs help testing I'm free all day. My rap is a blank slate and tmet has 3060 attack.

[glossy halo]

Mine has almost 3250😂

But if it has to much health it will fail as it uses threatened stage roar on turn 3

[autumn abyss]

Don't have it enhanced yet. Been working on grygan and amgnarap. Everything needs too much dime or posti.

[glossy halo]

Mine is still waiting for it’s damage enhancement

I need a little more

[glossy halo]

You might have too much health after enhancement

If it has too much it won’t trigger threatened stage

[magic pawn]

Guys #1021427617057996800

If we want them to do something we should also try respect the rules

[glossy halo]

It still needs finalized, additional testing will be done next week

[magic pawn]

What im saying is ur conversation is raid strategy and not on topic exactly

[glossy halo]

It still proves the point of how hard this change made it on us, which non of us are ok with

[magic pawn]

Yh but a matter of fact is that that talking this deep into strategy here is off-topic and belongs to #1021427617057996800

[urban turtle]

Level 30 max boosted T3 😅 , has a decent kit for the raid. Just a shame most of the time all the other creatures die. Then poukan doesn't have the dmg to counter the massive heal it gets.

[short berry]

"still here, still mad"

"FIX IT"

[glossy halo]

Yes

[haughty cipher]

What's the point of making Impetrasho and Hadros more tedious if they will receive no buffs? S. aegypticus has that exclusivity reason but those two raidpexes that is sped up with rend have no reason becoming more tedious than they already are

And I bet Impetrasho will get zero buffs just like always

[cold venture]

Worst part is imp is one of 2 raipexes with no buff since 3.0

[autumn abyss]

Keeping this thread alive.
Still angry and waiting on a fix.

[smoky stump]

yeah I need to start doing Spino raids again but I don't have a strat I can use

[magic pawn]

Who said we will

Still here still mad

[pale quartz]

I don't have Sah, I don't have big Sinraptor, I'm not paying to the game, sonI can't do the raid anymore with my unique cat that worked well. I tried with Refre, Gryganyth, Tuora and Panthera, but none worked sadly, Spino is the hardest raid right now (it's just an Omega, not an Apex)

[haughty cipher]

not a good omega either

[smoky stump]

It is a good omega

its back tomorrow and still no fix
and I want to start doing the raid again

[tidal hazel]

You're very wrong on that one xd . Also check idgt's video when they ever did the showcase of her moves

Also she helped me a lot in tournament even if she was lvl 16 with her revenge kill

[smoky stump]

the L21 move is nuts

on revenge its a priority decimation
I think

[glossy halo]

It is

[magic pawn]

Low lvl eh
Higher lvl 💪

[short berry]

wait this thread got pinged?💀💀💀

[smoky stump]

oh it has been pinned

interesting

[haughty cipher]

Just revert it
Like, just do it?
At least Thylos is really good but it's useless on raids now and Allod is even more useless now

[autumn abyss]

Strong petitions get noticed. Now is anything going to happen? Idk.

Most we got is, they aren't changing it, but they are working on a solution.

We need more communication. What solution? What types of solutions are they looking into? I get things need tested, but being a tad bit more open about what they are thinking goes a long way towards rebuilding trust.

Cause let's face it. The original suggestion that this was a bug all along is not at all beleiveable. And the info after sheds even further doubt onto that original statement.

[haughty cipher]

The public should really know what goes in the mind of their exec

[smoky stump]

again
I made early raid strats
rend did this the entire time

it was always total hp

also it got unpinned
what

[haughty cipher]

Probably got dismissed by John JWA and his greenlight team

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-sus-sus-that's-suspicious-i'm-a-bit-skeptical-about-it-something's-fishy-gif-10331268856217437551

[smoky stump]

if only I could do this raid that I could previously do

I'm wanting to redo my team
SpinoA is on there

[glossy halo]

From what I been told they plan to adjust the resistances to make it more manageable

[smoky stump]

its been 2 weeks

[glossy halo]

I know

They sure arnt in a hurry to fix

[smoky stump]

I'm going to try get a mega team for Spino tomorrow
I'll see if Poukan or Trebax works

[glossy halo]

At least I have 1 strat I can do

I need to do it later today

[smoky stump]

I can't do any since I couldn't get sinraptor for 2 months

[glossy halo]

Tmet works

[smoky stump]

not enough PB for sah
or coin

[smoky stump]

my Tmet is 21 unboosted
no coin

[glossy halo]

But

I think they need to also rebalance the stats

Reduce the damage a little

[smoky stump]

I spent it all on Tenontosaurus
then I will spend it all on Concatosaurus, not conloch

then I will spend the next set of coin on potentially Trykosaurus and Antven
for no reason in particular

[glossy halo]

Mine is maxed, however I’m still very frustrated on how badly this hit spino

[smoky stump]

also I need 7000 sinraptor at least to get it from L10 to L16

[smoky stump]

I've missed 4 so far
I'm stuck at L16 900/1500
its a creature I want to use

[glossy halo]

I think I have only missed 2, only because I was busy

[smoky stump]

I need about 8000 Spino dna to get it to a level where its usable on my team
I've missed anywhere between 1600 and 3600

because of a change
that didn't need to be implemented

its very annoying

[cold venture]

I've missed 0, need about 6000 more or so (lv 18 300 dna)

[smoky stump]

lucky

I'm very behind

[glossy halo]

My next lvl is 17

[smoky stump]

should take me around 3 months to get it to L21 (fun)
assuming I can actually start again soon

although thats assuming I always get min

average is 550 or something so thats a lot less time

[glossy halo]

I’ve been getting only 400-500 a lot recently

[cold venture]

Iirc it's around 22 weeks or so to get to 21 at 500 a raid average, don't remember how many has passed

[soft laurel]

spino raid would be so much easier if it was only 3 rounds

[magic pawn]

Yh... today we lost and it had like 3k hp left

[soft laurel]

Like spino would be manageable with auto fill if it was only 3 rounds

[autumn abyss]

tmet strat works right?

[glossy halo]

Yes, tested at least twice so far, I know a small amount of others have tested too with success

[wise tide]

Still waiting for a fix for the fix

[rotund stream]

i mean..

[short berry]

based poukan and olor

[tidal hazel]

Will u be able to remember what moves y'all did to make the strat from paleo . gg ?

[rotund stream]

we will do it again tomorrow, i'll write it down then

[soft geyser]

Fun

What skoonamet stats?

[soft geyser]

Need more doohickies to et 3 n 4 emm

[rotund stream]

iirc it was something like this

i'll correct it tomorrow if something is wrong

[short berry]

I love how everything is reliant on you,J2 and troodon's lvls but for whale you just said eh lvl 26 base 💀

[rotund stream]

Tbf we did use it at base 26

However, we are gonna test the requirements, to see if it's possible with lower levels etc

[short berry]

I could probably help with skoot then

mine is only lvl 27

[rotund stream]

@smoky stump Do you approve on the name of your bird

[smoky stump]

Sure whatever

Will be cool to go again tomorrow

[rotund stream]

Yeah

[quasi frost]

Still here, and still mad.

With strategizing, we had to do this poop 5 times last night.

I was TIRED!

[autumn abyss]

Took me over an hour to get it done. Used to be able to auto full with ptors and get it done within 10-15.

[soft geyser]

ill use skoonamet if you need 1

[glossy halo]

I miss those moments

[vast zephyr]

It seems to me then as long as three out of the four have heavy Distracting inflicting abilities then the fourth creature can be anything, although a healer would be ideal

[soft laurel]

I swear the boss is always bias to me

it keeps targetting me

[soft laurel]

I finally did it after 3 hrs of auto fill...

[smoky stump]

Slow but winnable

this was the min requirements on raid sim when testing beforehand

[past jasper]

Heck what TvT

14 turn
With 2 lvl 30 and full boosted
And 2 hard Apexes to get with boosts

[cold venture]

Unfortunately I think the 2 sin is easier to fill

[smoky stump]

yeah its not a great strat

[cold venture]

At least it exists

[smoky stump]

but it is a strat

also you can actually do it with an unboosted L30 dilorach but the moves change slightly at the end of the raid

[cold venture]

Although it'd be nice if we had a accessible one

[smoky stump]

yeah that won't happen at this rate

[cold venture]

Or a carry strat

[smoky stump]

I recon the right creatures could trio the raid

[cold venture]

Hopefully, then we can find a low level that doesn't change it

Easier with the t1 move

[smoky stump]

why would a low level change it
would die instantly

[cold venture]

Need to make sure that it does

[smoky stump]

Sah needs to be in a trio strat

[cold venture]

Could make the common survive

Unfortunately alot of variables to test

[smoky stump]

yeah

I just think with the current thing
we just need strats

the more strats we have
the more likely it is that people can do the raid

and from there we work our way down until a fix

because we still need a nerf or a fix

[past jasper]

Yeah
I just love how they fixed a "bug" that maybe 3 non existing people asked for in a few months
But take ages to even respond to something that the whole community agrees one

[smoky stump]

yeah

[past jasper]

Because yes, we have strats
But you need like 1/1.5 years to do them so...

[smoky stump]

our most accessible strat is still inaccessible for most

[quasi frost]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[smoky stump]

yeah idk why they haven't pushed a fix either

[short berry]

cuz it makes money
why fix something if it gives you money

[haughty mica]

Nerf the Imperato and Spino raids. They’re way too tedious with the rend “fix” no one asked for.

All the apex raids are way too tedious now. Respect players time. Don’t be a Pokémon game.

[autumn abyss]

I'm free for spino raid if someone needs a 4th. Can do ptor or tmet.

[candid plover]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-titanic-gif-25999423

[ember adder]

wait what money it gives them?

it's not like I'm forced to do spino it's not solid

[cold venture]

The unbought store offers in the store

[ember adder]

spino sucks anyway if you spending money getting spino maxed, you must have gotten smacked in the head hard

[cold venture]

I really feel like your underestimating it, it's quite good on revenge, and decent when off

It may not be sinraptor, but it's not horrible

[ember adder]

the only way to make spino actually usable is when you ban almost 90% of the omegas

[cold venture]

It's actually balanced without its 21 move, but once it has it its quite hard to stop

[ember adder]

true but not point of spending 100$ for 500 dna

[cold venture]

I wouldn't spend 100$ for 500 of any dna

Maybe a great apex, but that iffy

[ember adder]

apex?

that's way too much for apex consider they give you only 40 dna for 100$

[cold venture]

Ya, even then 100$ lol

It would depend on how much I want that apex and the money I had at the time

[ember adder]

yea if you really wanna unlock apex get ready to spend 800$

[cold venture]

Ya, it's way too much, and yet there's so many whales they wont stop

[ember adder]

thing is 800 just to unlock

[cold venture]

I would never do it at that cost

[haughty cipher]

they give you 350 apex DNA for 100$ sometimes 70$

[ember adder]

what kind of out of space deals you were looking at?

[cold venture]

The rarer ones where they know you want something in return for your 100$

[cold venture]

Something like this is alot more common though

[ember adder]

the incubator one I saw that but like that's mega rare

but I never saw 70$

[ember adder]

no no I mean 70$

[cold venture]

I do remember a random any apex one for 70

Not certain if that's the only one ever

Granted it was this incubator without the other stuff

[ember adder]

if it was in black Friday then understandable

[cold venture]

That one I know wasn't

Was sometime this year

#general-chat message
7/12/24

[haughty cipher]

You never saw the gacha apex deals?

[ember adder]

nop

[ember adder]

I tried looking it up and well

found this randomly

[drowsy marsh]

I'd say that an investment

[ember adder]

100$ for not even apexes

[cold venture]

Here's 1

[ember adder]

I want one with price tag lol

[haughty cipher]

don't blame you
it was random and someone got magnus and ankylos lux twice on them

and only got 1 megalocevia I think

[ember adder]

tbf there's like 100 of deals daily it can be buried somewhere missing lmao

wait don't we want rend to be reverted again

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/ticktock-clock-gif-25700487

[wise tide]

https://tenor.com/view/ateu-gif-11707357242647312998

[drowsy marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/ratcockroach-gif-9933737926074927923

[magic pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/283439533033259009/941729731802460211/image0.gif

[drowsy marsh]

Everyone is showing gifs and i dont wanna miss out

[pale quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-11172962845892656663

[red yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-missing-out-gif-11969889

[smoky stump]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-spider-man-gif-4782003132048930635

[magic pawn]

All of us "totally" believe this at this point

[cold venture]

They'd never change anything if we come across as unable to wait lol

[magic pawn]

They could at least say like "hey we are working on something to make the raids a bit more balanced for u bc of ur feedback" or "we are working on a solution/fix" but no 🙃
Get ghosted 🫠

[cold venture]

Ya, not much we can do though until we hear something

[zealous lodge]

sob

[pale quartz]

I have raid creatures (cunning, tank, healer, only the chompers missing, I only have Gryganyth) but I can't complete Spino anymore 👾

[glacial burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-marty-wow-ive-never-heard-that-one-before-never-heard-this-one-before-gif-22757284

[haughty cipher]

The type of reply email you compose when there's an unhappy client

[magic pawn]

What's that gonna change? Xd

[soft geyser]

They likely aren't going to do anything about this when they should just make the spino immune to bleed and have 95% rend resistance instead of screwing the other bosses

Rend should be an alternative to a normal attack, not the crazy attack that does 30X your creature's base attack

[cold venture]

The thing is, rend was never that necessary, outside against spino A that is a monster, the reason being the resistance the bosses have

[soft geyser]

You could count brach pre omega era

Any raid with doger and or shielder + healer is doable

It's just hard

People on their game can do it just fine

[cold venture]

Ngl 2 rexy, 2 dilo can beat most raids, sometimes they switch rexy with tmet or thor

[soft geyser]

Exactly

[cold venture]

Where spino A needs almost maxed versions of that

[soft geyser]

Dumb apex bird and refran a shielder is nice

[soft geyser]

It's the first omega boss

[cold venture]

Makes me worry about the future

[soft geyser]

It makes sense, no point in giving out the DNA for free

[soft geyser]

I just can't wait for the cunning or resilient omega boss raid

[cold venture]

I wouldn't put omega higher than apex though, alongside or lower

[cold venture]

Clever girl raids sound scary, although shield would probably be it's weakness like spino A is weak to dodge

[soft geyser]

Idk, in unique raids they would beat apexes if apexes were allowed down there

[soft geyser]

And resilient weakness armor

[cold venture]

I guess omegas are a very wierd case, they are like every rarity, once you get it to lv 21 it's often alongside unique and apexes, but until then they aren't so much

One weakness most omegas have is lack of OE though

[soft geyser]

OE?

[cold venture]

On escape

[soft geyser]

Yes

I primarily raid, this is the power creep that enforces the need for stronger raid bosses

[cold venture]

Well looking at them more have a OE than I remembered

15/27

[soft geyser]

Pvp lovers can be mad all day long about their favorite kitty cat not being able to cheese it's way through a boss raid anymore, but it's true that power creep is a massive problem in raids

[cold venture]

I do agree alot of raids are too easy, but ngl the rewards also aren't usually that great either

[soft geyser]

And we can complain here all day but if we're less than .001% of the player base than they're not going to cave to the demands and just reinforce their argument for doing so with the power creep argument

[soft geyser]

Power creep rendered them sad

It's to the point where all the epic raid bosses can be solo killed with multiple different omegas and even some of the legendaries can be solo killed

[cold venture]

Raids also shouldn't be unbeatable, rn spino A needs you to have quite strong dinos (almost maxed rexys, dilos, apexes, high level omega, or a long rng based 25 ptor strat)

It's nearly impossible to auto fill too

For a omega that isn't the best, needs the lv 21 move for any use, and there's simply multiple better omegas

[soft geyser]

Very true, I was extremely disappointed when I saw it had no group attack moves at first

If it had a 1CD group impact or skirmish then I'd use it

[glacial burrow]

😂

I don’t play as much but plz someone explain the point in having the most IMPOSSIBLE raid of all time be for an omega nobody even likes?

[zealous lodge]

it used to be doable but the changed the rend

[cold venture]

I do find it good as a revenge attacker though and will have it on my team

[ember adder]

because bosses are predictable

[lofty crater]

I've given them my statement by not giving them money anymore I'm not spending a CENT! On this game no more 💵💵💵 and im loaded with money right now jam city! Going to spend it on other games till you nerf this absurd raid

[cold venture]

Also a factor, and that will probably never change

[lofty crater]

I wish I could say what I really wanna say

[autumn abyss]

Please. PLEASE! do not suggest that the bosses pick their moves at random. Some are already hard enough with crits. We do not need any more randomness.

[ember adder]

I didn't suggest anything...

[cold venture]

They changed it after a update, then after people complained they called it a bug and fixed it quickly

[ember adder]

"works as intended"

[magic pawn]

Fr

[wise tide]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-waiting-im-well-gif-18430344

[magic pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ok-gif-7562907362786808474

[pale quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/fix-futurama-help-fry-fixit-gif-4525230

[lofty crater]

only way to get them to "wake up" is to stop giving them money

[cold venture]

Won't work unless the whales quit too

[wet dirge]

Even if whales quit, that would mean they would just close the game before they want to revert the "bug"

[pale quartz]

Is it time to make our dino game with the creatures that our fantastic artists drawing?

[rustic plaza]

If you want to kill the fun you just nailed it 😵 nobody like the raids anymore. If you want us to give you money you need to UP the FUN not kill it ! Nobody wants to pay for getting a whiplash...and the whales every one is praising all about will not have fun once the tuna and other smaller meals disappear....there will be only whales left to fight against whales and THEN the game will loose all its players ...so good luck with that

[rotund stream]

I'm not trying to defend them, but cmon how fun was it one shotting the boss, i'd rather have the boss be hard but beatable for everyone, instead of having it be easy af

[cold kraken]

You have a point

Plus i get to use my sah (one of my favorite creatures) in a raid

[rotund stream]

Oh and let me add to that, it shouldn't be as hard as it is now tho

[autumn abyss]

When raids are a chore they aren't fun. And agey wasn't even easy. It was still the hardest boss. Not something you could autofill into with 4 random creatures and win, unlike some apexes. You had to have a strategy. Those strats just happened to have some pretty accessible creatures for a lot of people.

The change made the raid less accessible and locked plenty of people out of the raid that could previously do it. They didn't even do that when they added the level requirement to raids. Anyone who had an account before that change was still allowed to continue participating in raids without that restriction.

We're mad because raids were made harder without any benefit. The creatures weren't t made stronger, nor was the dna gain increased. No one wants to spend multiple hours trying to do a raid they could previously do in 15 minutes.

[haughty cipher]

Imperato was shadow buffed for no benefit
The playable version is not even gonna get buffed

[rustic plaza]

When you have to do the same raid severel times a day to help others members of your alliance to get the crazy silly LOW amount of dna ...YES that is how i preferred it ! Now...we are not even doing that raid anymore and i se more and more of my members getting offline more and more often. You must understand that the majority of our player base are 27+ i think we have only 3 members below age 17 most of our members are parents, grand parents and so on, kids full time jobs, dinners to prepare and cook...we DONT have the TIME or the need for that reason to do a silly raid 10+ times a day with a 50/50 % chance for succes 👎👎👎👎👎👎 to get a crazy silly LOW amount of dna for a creature that nobody even wants on there team . Not everyone get payed to play games! Some of us actually have real jobs.
With that said i thought the raid was CRAZY FUN and so did the rest of my alliance ( those that actually could participate) the requirements for the fun strat had severel exclusive creatures involved, so eacy access creatures 🤔 not true!

[cold kraken]

It's not a 50/50

[rotund stream]

it is, there's an RNG strat that works

[cold kraken]

I do the one with 2 sah and 2 sin

[haughty cipher]

doing this with American peeps is painful when you have a shift by 8am

[cold kraken]

Oh I understand that

[magic pawn]

Yh there are many strats rn but either im not able to do em bc u dont have the dino or teammates either afk or play dumb and i dont think that will ever change 🫤

So having the raid NEED a good team and plain teamwork makes it almost impossible in random lobby and i dont exactly have time to wait for teammates as they are from US and im from Europe so they either do it in the evening for me or late night

[wet dirge]

Honestly, I'll be minority, but the power trip from being able to one turn kill a boss was so good...

[cold venture]

The 1 shots and solos are fun once you first find about it, bit the novelty goes away quickly

Personally I think the only raid needing a change is spino A, the rest got harder but not unbeatable

[rotund stream]

yeah exactly

[ember adder]

to counter everything you said
1- rend strats are not easy to make it takes calculations and different possiblities you need to factor in to make it work you can't just slap thylos onto anything and it will work that's why thylos isn't seen in autofill because it needs specific dinos with specific moves and stats

2- there can always be strats made about certain dino but the thing is that sometimes people just don't use these strats making time spent on them are wasted or some weird dino that just simply don't work like trykosaur it just can't work or it can be very complicated to work with

I understand one shooting the boss isn't fun but that's just not our fault it's simply because bosses are boring and consumes time especially when people make RNG strats but people don't want to make something new and creative they just replace in a strat something like rexy instead of mort and call it "new strat" there's not much creativity

also longer strats never get positive feedback someone made impera vs alacranix strat that works 100% no issues but people down vote it because "I don't like it" or "too long"

despite us having rules against personal opinions that you only down vote strat if it doesn't work only

[cold venture]

Ngl conditioning is alot of this, if we never saw 1 or 2 per round strats (nowadays especially 1 per round as I've seen 2 per round strats, that where common when I started raiding, get considered too long)

[cold venture]

Also btw mods of a server can remove emojis if proven wrongfully placed

[ember adder]

I do that myself in GP that's why I always mention don't vote based on being biased then I get blocked 🤷🏻

[rotund stream]

Atleast were getting something

[cold venture]

I never expected a dart session with spino A

[rotund stream]

Same

[autumn abyss]

Still doesn't negate their screw up.

[cold venture]

At this point I think we should see more adapting (looking for better strats that work and are accessible)

Oghta make the best out of it even if fsr they never change it

[past jasper]

So 3 weeks and nothing ?
Are they really trying to do anything
Like, in 3 weeks they could've done an announcement or something like that but no, nothing
I doubt they even try to figure out solution right now

[cold venture]

It is possible we won't see anything til 3.9

[autumn abyss]

Still. A simple message stating that they are testing solutions and to not expect anything untill the next update would go a long way

[red yacht]

@rotund stream i don't think the calendar posted in the #event-calendars announcement channel was actually published. i didn't see it get pushed out to other servers that follow that channel.

[rotund stream]

👋 I'll ask about it

oh also, this strat works, we just tested it

[smoky stump]

by just testing you mean we are currently testing
but yes its likely to work perfectly

[rotund stream]

yes but, the raid is basically over

[smoky stump]

1 turn left and I see no reason that this will fail

[rotund stream]

yeah it works perfectly

However, 1 ptor might have a skill issue in the last round and die, but the boss still dies

[smoky stump]

works

[smoky stump]

fastest Ptor dies

but its pretty simple pretty quick
therefore this is now the most accessible strat

[cold venture]

Makes sense, dodge goes away

[pale quartz]

I have to agree with this. In my alliance we only have adults, the only 9-10 years old kid stopped playing with this game, only his mother playing now, but she said that she barely has any time to play and there is absolutely no motivation at all! Bad designs, the raids getting more boring because of the lack of the rotations, annoying bugs everywhere and the game is so p2w, only those whales will play the game but Jamcity doesn't care...

[cold venture]

They do not give alot of dna either ngl, outside in a sense omega

[pale quartz]

The DNA is not a problem, the coins are

It's okay that not everyone has Conca family because they are just too cancer

[cold venture]

Raids should give a bit of coins

[pale quartz]

Yeah

Like in PoGO

[cold venture]

Maybe omega gives 5k, 500 on repeat, apex 10k, 1000 unique 7500 750, legendary 5k 500 epic 2.5k 250 rare 1k 100

[pale quartz]

That would be good

Just a little help for f2p players

[cold venture]

Would also encourage doing raids you don't need dna of

[red yacht]

esp since they seem allergic to making new raids and rotating old ones out...

[vast zephyr]

Not helping the least of all is that every single raid only Apex have stopped being meta relevant, and some of them haven't been meta relevant for far longer than others.

Mortem and Ref at this point are only good for Raids and maybe Isla Events (if they're ever part of the Isla Event roster again)

[cold venture]

Makes me sad hearing this as a ref fan, but no denying it's true, cera, mort, ref, imp all desperately need a buff

[vast zephyr]

Frankly, the entire roster needs a complete gutting and rework from the ground up to completely balance everything out.

But sadly that’ll never happen

[pale quartz]

Buff the old apexes or nerf the new creatures (Conca family, Concatoloch especially)

And don't mix classes with the other one, because I don't know how Skorpiovenator is Fierce?! It can reduce armor but it's not piercing through!

[vast zephyr]

The class system is kind of meaningless at this point.

Like, Concatoloch should actually be a Fierce Resilient, like Concatosaurus is, but it's just a normal Resilient for some reason.

Indolycan, interestingly, is on the flipside of Skorpiovenator's issue. It can reduce armor, but even though it's a Cunning Fierce nothing else it does bypasses armor (It's Tier 5 enhancement breaks shields at least....but why bother putting in the resources for what it should have always had in the first place?)

[pale quartz]

They don't even know what are they doing, and it's just so sad

[cold venture]

I've always hated reduce armor for this reason, however can't blame the class system as it is a fierce ability

That being said I think they should abandon the class system and let whatever have whatever fits

[vast zephyr]

To give them fair dues, it would be incredibly easy to make every single creature in the game very similar to others of their same class, so I get why they've done some of the things they've done with movesets and resistances and whatnot.

It's just, unfortunately and naturally, come at the expense of some things being too underpowered, while others are too overpowered.

[pale quartz]

Or they should just rebalance or rework the whole system

[haughty cipher]

Seeing Flock of One do piss poor damage against the boss but nuking everything else is just so sad

Who asked for rend to be "fixed" anyway

[cold venture]

Nah, unless part of the system is allowing class traits on creatures of other classes

[haughty mica]

Some people have busy lives and the faster raids go the more players can help other players unlock things. Farm for incubators. And know that their time is being respected

[magic pawn]

No one

[drowsy marsh]

I did

[pale quartz]

I would bring back the old system.
Cunnings: cannot be distracted, immune to DoT or can cleanse it. Defense is dodge, can't pierce anything.

Fierce: Can be distracted, wound enemies, cannot be vulnerable or can cleanse it, immune or resistent to stun. Defense is armor, can pierce shield and armor

Resilient: Can't decrease it's speed or can cleanse it, slow down enemies and can stun.
Defense is Armor and Shield.

Every class has to be a weakness, just like used to be. Cunning shouldn't be able to defeat resilients, just like resilients shouldn't be able to defeat fierce creatures. This would be the normal

[cold venture]

I don't like the rock paper scissorness, especially if you mean cannot as literally cant

[slim charm]

Yup, vulnerability makes some resilients absurdly strong

If tryko didnt make you vulnerable he wouldnt be as good as it is (not complaining, I love you tryko)

[pale quartz]

But there has to be some system. Not exactly these, but something.

[cold venture]

Ya, creatures balance the way see fit, naturally some effects are countered by others

[slim charm]

There are creatures with 2 classes

And wildcards

[cold venture]

Who are naturally better because of it

[slim charm]

Yup

[magic pawn]

Agreed

[cold venture]

I mainly want things free to give anything

[pale quartz]

But this means that we can have more powerful and more annoying creatures than Concatoloch or Skoonamet

I know this game can be difficult because of the fight system (revenge, flocks, alert movements, no escape, etc) but I don't think that we need creatures that can heal, devour, wound, raise shield and bite through everything in two turns.

[cold venture]

2 Essentially wildcards would be more annoying than everything Essentially being wildcard, more likely more like a dual class?

Even if classes don't exist, things can have intended roles, chompers, tanks, support, speedsters, glass cannons, healers, flock killers, flocks, etc

[pale quartz]

The roles are good idea, but then tanks should stay tanks and chompers should stay chompers

[cold venture]

As long as there's actual method to the roles than itd work

[pale quartz]

Yeah I actually support the role idea, thats a system too and maybe could work better than classes at this point

But I don't know if Jamcity can make a balance between roles or not

[cold venture]

Probably could if powercreep didn't help them as much as it somehow does

[magic pawn]

I say the biggest problem now is that a lot of dmg dealers now not only have shields but also dmg boost, precise, heal, abilities to destroy cunning ect.... just creatures not fitting into their class at all by beings good again every class even tho they shouldn't

[cold venture]

Wildcards are ultimately best, so powercreep prefers wildcards

[autumn abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/ticktock-clock-gif-25700487

[magic pawn]

fr

[pale quartz]

I think it's possible that they are not even listening to us, but it's just a thought.

[zealous lodge]

tick tock

[smoky stump]

ironically nothing has changed now that we have a working Ptor strategy

aside from the raid being long

[short berry]

yeah other raids are still way harder than they used to be for some players

[smoky stump]

true

[cold venture]

And it not working auto fill

[smoky stump]

true

[cold venture]

And it needing 2 ptor 25

[lofty crater]

What about 2 Sahs a Sin and a Spinocon?

Or 2 Sahs a Sin and a Megalania

I don't have the thing to test raid strats I just something that sounds good on paper

[magic pawn]

just a likely theory u mean

[smoky stump]

unlikely

[lofty crater]

Why?

[smoky stump]

don't think you're doing enough damage between rounds

[cold venture]

Prob not enough dot and affliction

[lofty crater]

Rip

Sah has the best affliction move rn

2 Sahs a hydra and a Sin?

Sahs would have to be faster than hydra so fabled fangs can get most effect

[cold venture]

Potentially

Sin does good because it can stack affliction, and has so many DOT moves including a counter

[lofty crater]

The problem is r3 where it can clense its damage reduction and I think that's a crock of ****

[cold venture]

Ya

[lofty crater]

#nerfspinoraid

[pale quartz]

Yeah

[glossy halo]

Just swapping that with a different ability would be so much better

[lofty crater]

Completely remove everything that clenses damage on it

[cold venture]

Remove the nullify r2 while at it

[pale quartz]

I would take 50-80 dmg too, it's not too much, but something

Or maximum 100

Spino is the first boss that starts with rampage and deal almost 6k damage, more if it's crit. Thats why Panthera was the best solution for this boss

[ember adder]

Pyrritator boss

[cold venture]

They forgot to mention group haha

[ember adder]

it would make sense then

[pale quartz]

Ah yes and it's also a group attack, it pierce through two defense, and not every creature has 100% dodge (okay, some flocks, but those are bad for raids)

[cold venture]

Overall I think spino A craziness is how it has something for everything, shattering for shields, and alot of damage, nullify for rexy setup, heal, damage reduction cleanse on a heal counter, and a better fukuimimus counter r4 with heavy output

[ember adder]

those flocks 100% dodge are swap in activation so just say they don't have it

[pale quartz]

True

[ember adder]

let's not forget that at one time it had more damage and HP

[cold venture]

Which dodge is the only thing that truly counters it, but it's RNG, usually not group, and nearly never 100%

[ember adder]

7188 damage (without crit)

it was Paleo stats I think it had like 32k hp each round and 7k damage with rampage which if you really wanna think about it 99% of dinos are just dead

[pale quartz]

Yeah, even with enhancements

[cold venture]

With 6000 it's really just boosted stuff anyway, imagine if it was more

[lofty crater]

Dodge needs buffed with how many creatures they have now that can remove dodge

Instead of a chance to dodge should be dodge 66% damage or 75% damage