Revert the Gryganyth buff

[tranquil ore]

Pretty self explanatory. I think we can all agree this "emergency rebalancing" was uncalled for and made an already strong creature a nightmare to go against. If Maximum Ferocity is to remain with no delay, at least give it 3 cooldown.

Another change: Make the Heal come before the attack buff. A 2.6x Heal turn 1 is very unnecessary, though I may be asking for too much at this point

[brisk rock]

Balancing has fallen...
Meta chasers will downvote...

[onyx topaz]

You mean before?
Making it last does nothing while making the heal first does

[tranquil ore]

Yup

I'm just stupid

[obsidian coyote]

You aint asking for much, it could also get its DoT toned down to 30% imo

[drowsy charm]

Ngl, I prefer buffed gryg
A skoonamet h2h counter is a skoonamet h2h counter

[obsidian coyote]

While true, its still kind of pointless buff y know

[tranquil ore]

It could still use 3 cooldown at least

Not sure how that would impact the match-up though

[graceful spoke]

I like the buffed Gryga because of the buffed Concatoloch. It’s the only thing now that even threatens the stupid thing

[drowsy charm]

That's a good idea

[graceful spoke]

But Concatoloch still can beat Gryga or setup a swap kill as long as Gryga doesn’t crit on the rend counter attack when it used expose vulnerability turn 1 on maximum ferocity

[lofty fractal]

I think it was needed, wasn't really meta, now it's among the top, wish they'd do simular buffs to the other apexes (if they won't have a nerf update)

[brisk rock]

It was definitely meta pre-buff

Or at least usable in top arenas

[lofty fractal]

Not enough for people to care about it

[pearl folio]

Love how this is basically the same situation as giganyx

"Balanced" creature comes out, people ask for buffs and it becomes OP

[brisk rock]

That's because everyone salivates over the broken stuff lol

[lofty fractal]

Let's just hope it doesn't die as quickly

[brisk rock]

Grypolyth itself was really good prior to the Concatol buff and Gryg was still an upgraded version of it before its buff

[pearl folio]

I hope it dies out quicker

[brisk rock]

Fr

[lofty fractal]

If it does jamcity is out to get me

[brisk rock]

Giganyx is
One of the most overrated creatures from a subjective standpoint
And Gryg is getting that same bias

[lofty fractal]

(Although I think gryganyth will stay fun even if so)

[pearl folio]

Actually scratch that, gryganyth is the only thing in shores that doesn’t look trash

[lofty fractal]

Especially with the skin

[brisk rock]

I have just discovered Concato is at 15.8% on pgg's meta tier list this meta is actually ripped to shreds lmao

[pearl folio]

Apexes have pretty much taken over

[lofty fractal]

I don't fully trust a site that, one only Gos by usage, two, has sah and draco lux over concatoloch

[lofty fractal]

Of course its this, apexes are finally back I'm their rightful place

[onyx topaz]

I prefer is grygan just had more stun res / speed res than no delay on that move lol

[obsidian coyote]

Almost no post-2.6 creature needs a buff. rather nerfs lmao

But its not happening so

[graceful spoke]

This. Concatoloch is 100% the top dino but some people refuse to use it because of it being so broken (I am one of them) and I know tons of other top people who refuse to use it too

[brisk rock]

The data is collected over multiple days so it accounts for what people had on their team before replacing it as well.

[obsidian coyote]

Even then, unless it heavily underperforms, no recently added creature needs a buff

Grygan aint a exception

[lofty fractal]

Id like if instead of doing nothing, they'd give everything a buff that isn't among the top

[lofty fractal]

Ya

[obsidian coyote]

That wouldnt fix much things? Those creatures would need constant buffs to stay "among the top"???

[brisk rock]

Nerfs would be way easier to do and keep track of, which kinda sucks because Ludia will not nerf anything via community feedback

[lofty fractal]

Gryganyth buff wouldn't have been something I would have asked for, but I don't see a need to revert it

[obsidian coyote]

REAL, and thats why I have lost some real hope for this game

[lofty fractal]

That and keep the new creatures at the same level

[brisk rock]

If everything was nerfed to be near the top they'd just get powercrept a few updates later so you're back to square one

While nerfing directly combats powercreep

[lofty fractal]

I agree, but buffing everything is second best

[obsidian coyote]

Wdym same level, same level before they got added? Same levels between those new additions?

[lofty fractal]

Plus for any effect nerfs would need to be done all at once, buffs can get done in time

[pearl folio]

Honestly i think if anything needs a nerf its concatoloch. And the nerf is extremely easy to do all things considered

[brisk rock]

Problem is that people will do anything and everything to have their team not underperform, so the community themselves frown upon nerfs and encourage what's ruining game balance.

[lofty fractal]

Same level power

[obsidian coyote]

But nah, ludia thinks buffs combat powercreep for some reason, while those only contribute to it, lol

[lofty fractal]

It definitely does, even if everything else gets buffed to meta power

[obsidian coyote]

That doesnt answer much of my questions-

[brisk rock]

They buff instead of nerf because that's what the people want

[obsidian coyote]

Cant have nice things smh

whoopsies

[lofty fractal]

Basically buff everything to be meta, and never add anything that would break it (remove powercreep)

[pearl folio]

The 2nd part is impossible

[golden ocean]

Woah woah what happened here while I was gone

[obsidian coyote]

And there's no way to fix that, innit

[obsidian coyote]

Haiiiii pookie :3

[lofty fractal]

Basically same as nerfing everything but the power level is higher

Id prefer nerfing stuff, but id settle with buffs if things actually fix

[obsidian coyote]

That doesnt remove powercreep, and its really HARD to keep everything at a same level

[lofty fractal]

Then how does nerfs help?

[obsidian coyote]

Nerfs cut the head of the problem, buffs just make it grow

[pearl folio]

Nerfing everything down to tryko level (concatoloch has heal)

[brisk rock]

If they gave minor nerfs to the best and minor buffs to the worst over time they should eventually even out without going overboard

[lofty fractal]

If powercreep exists still all that will happen is either constant nerfs, or powercreep will strike back again

Either way powercreep needs removed from the equation for any good to happen

[brisk rock]

And they can check what's the best or worst too, they have been shown to be capable of viewing team statistics

[pearl folio]

Would’ve been cool if 3.0 was a hard reset and rebalance of everything like 2.0

[lofty fractal]

Of course I'd rather get a big nerf update where everything gets put around indot level, but I'm just as happy with a buff update where everything gets put around meta level (if they actually dedicate to keep it that way)

[obsidian coyote]

In an ideal world, that would be amazing, realistically, games like this got it flooding in their veins, and with many people not wanting a real solution to the problem + devs listening to them........... Thats not going away anytime soon, or basically never at this point

[obsidian coyote]

But NAH, only omegas

[lofty fractal]

If powercreep isn't removed, then I don't care if anything changes

Things will just mess up again

[pearl folio]

The first 3 were somewhat alright apart from destroying rare and commons

It all went downhill with fukuiraptor and clever girl

[brisk rock]

The only two actually good formats before 3.0

[obsidian coyote]

Real

[pearl folio]

And look at us now. Stuck with an iguanodon on the same power level as rexy

[lofty fractal]

I'm surprised no more has happened

[golden ocean]

Well due to so much feedback from y'all, how about i suggest the team about nerfing/reverting gryganyth's buff?

[obsidian coyote]

Dont give them ideas

[pearl folio]

Do it for all the apex hybrids after 3.0

[golden ocean]

This is why ur called a roach

[obsidian coyote]

I'd say +1 delay, -10% bleed and ferocity coming after the heal

[lofty fractal]

I think that it doesn't need it, unless all creatures since indot gets nerfs

[brisk rock]

Honestly I just want them to start nerfing overperforming creatures in general

[golden ocean]

It's maximum ferocity 100% needs a cd of 3

[obsidian coyote]

Say it louder!!!!

[brisk rock]

They only buff the underperforming and it along with new additions are forcing the power level up more

[pearl folio]

Yeah ( I forgor to highlight stun immunity)

[lofty fractal]

Can see that, though I don't want it to die from the meta, if nothing else is changing

[obsidian coyote]

So only tape? Its the only one I can think of

[drowsy charm]

I only think stuff that's doing much better than anything should be nerfed

If we constantly nerf the top 8 we either end up in a spiral of reverse power creep where the game gets boring or we end up with no diversity in the meta

[lofty fractal]

They buff the underperformed news, and sometimes a forgotten one not as much

[obsidian coyote]

Its gonna die eventually, despite everything, even if no things change, powercreep will get it, as it got everything behind it

[golden ocean]

This

[pearl folio]

Diversity died out at around 2.16-2.20

[drowsy charm]

There's not enough effects in the game to make everything equally balanced and still diverse

[brisk rock]

Does nerfing not increase diversity though?

[drowsy charm]

When I say diversity I mean the creatures are different from each other

[brisk rock]

I don't think anyone is asking stuff to be gutted into uselessness

[drowsy charm]

Not diversity as in what is usable

[graceful spoke]

I want Concatoloch to be gutted to below uselessness

[obsidian coyote]

At least the top 25 should get nerfs, even tho nerfs dont mean lack of diversity

[brisk rock]

Lol

[obsidian coyote]

BASED

[lofty fractal]

I think its too far gone that we can get away by nerfing a few creatures at a time, we need a few updates with like 50

[graceful spoke]

Top 25? That’s wild. The drop off from top 10 to 11 is an insane difference in power

[brisk rock]

I would nerf and buff like
5 creatures per rarity
Which is a lot but that extra maintenance is expected when you constantly increase your roster size

[drowsy charm]

People talk about wanting a meta where everything is usable and equally good but it's hard to do with how many creatures we have and how few effects we have and make sure every creature doesn't feel like a lightly modified clone of any other creature of the same class

[obsidian coyote]

I think top 8-10 wouldnt make enough of a difference, but if anything top 15-20 would be the lowest I could go Imo

[lofty fractal]

Here's the thing, the ideal powerset is around indot level, however that's almost useless without MANY nerfs, so it's either temporarily useless, or there's nerfing creatures that just got nerfed

[obsidian coyote]

The problem comes when they dont stop adding creatures with EVERY update, they could pause a bit and improve QoL features every 1-2 updates, just like 2.5 but with balance changes and new features

[drowsy charm]

That is true

[obsidian coyote]

It wouldnt hurt if we didnt get new creatures in one or two updates, we already got 400-ish, improving the game's really a priority

[graceful spoke]

You have the 7 apexes that are all just plainly ridiculous (Plateo is kinda meh now but either way still really strong). Then after that there’s Thylos, Grypo, Sinraptor, StegoUng, and Concato just depending on how you play. After that nothing really comes close to their power levels. Oloro maybe but that’s only in legendary format and lower

[lofty fractal]

Maybe focus on commons, rares and epics

[graceful spoke]

They need to stop with the new dinos every few weeks and fix the balance in every rarity tier but that’ll never happen

[obsidian coyote]

But cutting the very tip of the mountain is not gonna make it small enough

[brisk rock]

Nothing has to be instantly toned down to Indot level, if they just gave the overperforming creatures minor nerfs every update it'd keep the power level in check.

[drowsy charm]

It's really hard to do anything with those guys anymore, the whole common rarity needs to be reworked

[obsidian coyote]

Taunting

[lofty fractal]

It's mostly omegas (although they need a huge rework)

[obsidian coyote]

They need to get deleted /hj

[drowsy charm]

Even without them, Iggy and plateo just wreak havoc

[lofty fractal]

Ya, with omegas fixed they need reverted

[pearl folio]

Nerf Plateo’s attack to 900 and remove the counter

[drowsy charm]

Still a menace

[pearl folio]

Then give everything vulnerable immunity

[graceful spoke]

Cutting those 12 back would open up a lot more opportunities for diverse team already but they would still need to buff the old apexes and some of the old uniques to around the same level. Completely nerfing everything at the top to “bring in line” will make the game boring. Minor nerfs to the top 10-15 and buffs to the bottom feeders would do a lot

[brisk rock]

Just
Remove Resilient Double Strike
And make it Resilient Strike

[drowsy charm]

A. Not fixing it
B. That's bad for so many different reasons

[pearl folio]

😃

[drowsy charm]

What needs to happen is it needs to get like long protection

[pearl folio]

Short defense. Take it or leave it

[drowsy charm]

It's defensive move is what makes it such a problem
You can have 900 attack and it doesn't matter because you're taking 72 damage per turn

[pearl folio]

500 attack. Take it or leave it

[golden ocean]

This is probaly the most active thread i've seen in this server

[lofty fractal]

Weirdest part is the revert part is disagreed with

[civic karma]

I hate the buff because I don't have it

[lofty fractal]

I don't have it yet, being able to get the skin convinced me to work on it

[pearl folio]

One time offer!

[civic karma]

Unfortunately I don't have the skin

[obsidian coyote]

Nerfing those 12 only would not include things like Doe, Buck, Rexy and PB, not everything at the very top are the only problems, I would honestly not care much if the game gets boring due to that, its already kind of boring to see a new meta shift every update, and having the same powercreep cycle all over again, so there's not much to do about that, but a more balanced game should be funnier than how the game's rn by sheer default, even though, you are completely assuming I mean nerfing as in complete nerfs or gutting creatures, pretty wrong, but also depends on what you see as a "complete nerf" and a "minor nerf"

[civic karma]

Still would be op in the og meta

[brisk rock]

I've seen more active threads here (before 80% of the good members left or got banned for no reason :3)

[civic karma]

Lvl 30 skmet or lvl26 grygan

[lofty fractal]

I think we are at a point for any good to happen we need a full rebalance (and the necessary for Any change to be warranted is the removal of powercreep)

[obsidian coyote]

Also spammable 1,8x-ish move, constant shields and speedup too

[lofty fractal]

Id pick grygan, skoon is probably better at lv 30

[civic karma]

If you don't have both

[lofty fractal]

Ya, if I can only choose one to have it's the 26 grygan, it will be on my team and it will level up in time

[civic karma]

Aight

[pearl folio]

I choose Gryganyth because it doesn’t look stupid

[lofty fractal]

I find it to look cooler and be more fun, skoon isn't horrible looking though

[graceful spoke]

Look at TMet and Skoona then look at SMet. It looks stupid

[civic karma]

It has the "fearsome Godzilla has evolved 🗣️🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥" animation too

[lofty fractal]

I have seen all

[obsidian coyote]

Skoon doesnt look horrible? Sir, are you ok?

[lofty fractal]

It really isn't imo

[civic karma]

Yoshi on drugs

[obsidian coyote]

Its rexy with those head bumps sonora has, but glowing

Its one of the most BLAND and terrible designs Ive ever seen coming from this game

Not the total worst, but horrible for sure

[civic karma]

Remove the tumour then it's just a rex with vomit skin

[lofty fractal]

It doesn't fit skoona that much (or the metrodon) but design has become my higher priority

[obsidian coyote]

REAL

[obsidian coyote]

Well

[lofty fractal]

Side note, how did tmet become green?

[obsidian coyote]

yes

[civic karma]

He went on a diet

Worked out in a gym

Now look at them legs,one of the faster rexes

With Hella of a strong bite force

The side effects are your skin colour will change

[floral dagger]

I believe that the cooldown should be 3 considering its supposed to a "better" version of Ferocious Defense.

[graceful spoke]

It is a better version so also gets a shorter cooldown

[civic karma]

It should have no cooldown 😎

[floral dagger]

End of discussion, make this happen.

[flat void]

Man I just unlocked today

[sudden glade]

only nerf gryg if everything better gets nerfed first

that's the way I see it.

easy downvote for me. It would just make conloch better. Sah and magna are also better options anyway so if you're going to nerf something, at least nerf top 3 first before gryg

[tranquil ore]

As a wise man once said, not everything has to be META

[tranquil ore]

Yes

Please do

[sudden glade]

if you do, I'd suggest mentioning conloch, sah, and magna first

they are far more problematic than gryg

all these people seem to be forgetting that bigger problems exist in the meta

a gryg will sweep your resilients, no doubt. But that's intended

those top 3 though with far less counters will destroy almost anything. Gryg at least gets dealt with by sah and magna

[tranquil ore]

I think we're forgetting that I'm suggesting this change because something completely undeserving of a buff received one

[sudden glade]

I will agree that gryg didn't really need the buff, but the nerf is just as hypocritically unnecessary in my opinion

[tranquil ore]

I am aware there are other, stronger creatures

[tranquil ore]

At the very least it should be reverted

[sudden glade]

personally I wouldn't revert it unless:

1. Conloch gets toned down a bit
2. Sah gets toned down a bit
3. Magna gets toned down a bit

gryg is conloch's main counter now so nerfing that just helps the #1 creature even more

[drowsy charm]

It's sad that a main counter of somethin is 50/50

[sudden glade]

yeah

[drowsy charm]

I feel like there's something else

[sudden glade]

the removal of the delay at least helped the matchup a bit, made the conloch take a lot of bleed damage

adding the delay back just makes conloch better

[sudden glade]

thylos if they don't use the stun/heal on your swap, but I mainly reference gryg as its counter given it's a bit more meta

[tranquil ore]

I don't see how nerfing one creature makes another creature better

[sudden glade]

...joking, right?

[drowsy charm]

Imo a concatoloch nerf is what needs to happen
Revert expose weakness and nerf shelter

[sudden glade]

conloch has very few counters in the meta compared to other creatures, so nerfing one of them does very much make it better

[drowsy charm]

If gryg gets nerfed skoonamet loses a counter and therefore become better

[tranquil ore]

Gotcha

[sudden glade]

like I hate to be honest here

yeah maximum ferocity is a REALLY good move and I'd say a nerf is fair, but that'd only be if you were fair and nerfed everything else too and in that case you'd just be cycling to a new meta like @drowsy charm already said

[drowsy charm]

You could do a trade off

[tranquil ore]

So lemme get this straight

This creature shouldn't be nerfed because there are others more deserving of a nerf?

[sudden glade]

I didn't say it shouldn't, but instead only should when the better creatures are nerfed

[drowsy charm]

Gryg still wins if fero has a delay and it doesn't get stunned, right?

[sudden glade]

why would you nerf #4 instead of #1-3?

[drowsy charm]

That already exists

[sudden glade]

yeah exactly. If this thing got nerfed but conloch didn't it just gets miles better

[tranquil ore]

Because #4 got an unnecessary buff that I want reverted

[sudden glade]

and? The revert would be JUST as unnecessary, if even a bit hypocritical

an important reason why I think gryg doesn't deserve a nerf, at least in the state of the current meta is

it gets countered by both the second and third best creatures (sah and magna)

[pearl folio]

Wow the cunning counters the fierce how crazy is that

[sudden glade]

that's my point

[drowsy charm]

Idk if magna is #3

[sudden glade]

it has its fair share of counters and the counters make sense. Doesn't need a nerf

[sudden glade]

in my opinion:

1. Conloch
2. Sah
3. Magna
4. Gryg
5. Dlux

I know some people will put dlux a bit higher but it all just depends

[drowsy charm]

Dlux at 5 makes sense

[obsidian coyote]

Skoona should also get a nerf, y know

[drowsy charm]

My list just has magna and gryg swapped

I can see either though tbh

[sudden glade]

I put magna a bit higher because it's a bit more versatile

[pearl folio]

Well you see its the ultimate H2H creature so it must be extremely OP and have a 75% heal with a cooldown of 1

[lofty fractal]

Id say magna is a bit better, especially with the swap in

[drowsy charm]

Tbf it isn't a 75% heal with a cool down of 1

[obsidian coyote]

J2 Im gonna hug you

[sudden glade]

surprising it isn't even top 5 anymore

[pearl folio]

Text wall gang

[obsidian coyote]

Im gonna softly hug you and tell you that you are goated

[sudden glade]

even with the crazy heal it has

[drowsy charm]

What having no OE does to a mf

[obsidian coyote]

Huh? Ok ig? Even then it needs to be toned down cuz of Battle Ready

[pearl folio]

Pretty sure Gryganyth has a stronger heal

[obsidian coyote]

Depends

Its pretty relative cuz BR's Heal be HP% based, while grygan's attack based

[ivory radish]

Nah, Gryg is fine. Sounds like someone lost to it too much, and can’t win so wants it to be nerfed.

[sudden glade]

I'm surprised we got a nerf gryg post and not a nerf conloch/sah/magna post

[tranquil ore]

????

What hole did you pull that out of

[sudden glade]

I like gryg cuz it shuts down resilients and has a good chance against conloch

[ivory radish]

If you are complaining about GRYG you really need to get your priorities straight

[pearl folio]

Gryganyth is just getting the same treatment as giganyx

[sudden glade]

we should be thankful gryg exists, it pushed stego ung out of the meta

are people who want this gryg nerf saying they want stego ung back in the meta?

[ivory radish]

Gryg isn’t a “busted” apex hybrid. All you need is one cunning like dracov to shut it down

[ivory radish]

Same, and it has counters. It’s not busted like people think.

[pearl folio]

It also makes the beach look slightly more tolerable with all the garbage inhabiting it

[outer lantern]

It's mainly stego omega that I don't like and how concat breaks shield now

[sudden glade]

can't even 100% beat conloch, and loses easily to sah and magna which is pretty fair

[ivory radish]

Exactly! And people are “nerf gryg”

[outer lantern]

Compared what's out there, a good cunning would easily kill it, then swap to thylos

It's easily swapped in on and stunned

[ivory radish]

These are the kind of posts where someone gets 3-0d and says that creature is op and needs to be nerfed

[sudden glade]

don't forget its swap in doesn't do anything against a dlux so that's also good if you get it to low health

[pearl folio]

Ok but why stop at nerfing gryganyth

[ivory radish]

Gryg is probobly the most balanced apex hybrid

[golden ocean]

Gryganyth's maximum ferocity needs a cd of 3 that's all

[pearl folio]

Just nerf the top apexes like i did

[sudden glade]

I wouldn't say it's the most balanced but it is probably the least versatile one, which is fair. It's got strong stats and abilities, but cannot deal with cunnings very well

[ivory radish]

That is too much of a nerf lol

If it gets a cd of 3 it’ll hurt it really hard

[ivory radish]

It has the most counters

[outer lantern]

Everyone east's gryganyth to be nerfed when it's one of the few concat counters, when concat even got a buff that basically imposes vulnerability and guarantees a hit

[sudden glade]

if conloch gets its heal and expose weakness nerfed, sah gets its priority decimate + distract + shield + dodge nerfed, and magna gets flock of one nerfed, then maybe

[golden ocean]

Yeah but healing all of it's HP every 2 turns is a big no no

[ivory radish]

You nerfed some of them to ground 0

[golden ocean]

And a huge dot, and 75% increased attack

[sudden glade]

conloch heals a lot every 2 turns

[ivory radish]

Concat and skmet

💀

[sudden glade]

magna can heal quite a bit. Skoonamet does too. Like I said before, you gotta nerf everything if you wanna nerf gryg

[golden ocean]

Do the same for all of those and we good

[outer lantern]

I've found often people just use revenge sah or swap in onto gryganyth easily killing it

[sudden glade]

suggest nerfing the top 3 first before gryg gets touched, otherwise it's more harm for the meta than helping

[ivory radish]

Maximum doesn’t even FULLY CLEANSE

It’s fine

[outer lantern]

Yeah I learnt that the hard way

[sudden glade]

like, let's think about this for a second

[ivory radish]

They don’t know how to nerf, only buff

[golden ocean]

No but it cleanses reduced damage which means it gets the full heal potential

[sudden glade]

what exactly is a gryg nerf gonna do for the meta? Think realistically here.

[ivory radish]

True but ongoing effects can still harm it

[pearl folio]

Real.

[golden ocean]

The turn one is something

[ivory radish]

Yea, kill nerf

[sudden glade]

a gryg nerf would serve no purpose for the meta, it's not in the top 3 oppressive ones

[outer lantern]

I think if they change gryganyths cooldown they should increase concats cooldown heal to 3

[golden ocean]

Nah that's fine lol

[ivory radish]

You made conch complete dogshit

[sudden glade]

nerf healing shelter and flock of one

[pearl folio]

It still beats ingame geminideus funnily enough

[ivory radish]

This is not a nerf. It’s a murder

[low bramble]

Just nerf everything

[ivory radish]

Yea and nobody runs that

[keen sonnet]

Gryga deserve its nerf

The end

[tranquil ore]

Just because other creatures have it doesn't make it not broken

[pearl folio]

boo hoo

[sudden glade]

"gryga deserves its nerf because it killed my conloch and smet"

[ivory radish]

There’s a difference between nerfing something because it’s op and needs a nerf, and nerfing them to the ground like you do

[keen sonnet]

What-

[ivory radish]

Broken is what the game is

[sudden glade]

you're gonna say gryg deserves a nerf without even mentioning better creatures?

[keen sonnet]

This you pal?

[sudden glade]

wow I wonder why an old unique gets shredded by a new apex

almost as if that's not gryg's issue

[keen sonnet]

Gryga is better than skoona iirc

[low bramble]

Personally I think keep lack of delay on maximum ferocity but increase cooldown to 3, and while we're at it, where did bro get group attacks from

[outer lantern]

Plus it got a nerf recently

[ivory radish]

True, who would’ve thought an apex would beat a unique like that

[lofty fractal]

Grgan is definitely broken, it just doesn't mean it needs the nerf before everything else, and if they aren't gonna try to fix the game, it's nice gryganyth is getting it's time to shine

[sudden glade]

ik

[thin agate]

what isn't broken 🤑

[pearl folio]

Have another "kill nerf" as you call them

[keen sonnet]

What I mean is having a gryga

Not that it killed the allod

[ivory radish]

Conch was a freaking kill nerf lol. It had no T1 and everything sucked

[thin agate]

since people only look at the power creep chain as the whole game instead of the rest of the 300+ dinos

[sudden glade]

of course I have a gryg, but I also have conloch and sah. And I'm saying they deserve nerfs before gryg 🤦‍♂️

[pearl folio]

How do you think lystrosuchus feels 😭

[low bramble]

Or just remove all of them from the game

[keen sonnet]

It had t1

A. Obliterate the nearest target
B. Stall and wall

[ivory radish]

Learn what nerf means

[tranquil ore]

I say again

I am suggesting this nerf because gryganyth got a buff it did not deserve.

[thin agate]

we have for 3 years, indirectly

[ivory radish]

It only had shield, go read

[keen sonnet]

All of them deserve merge simultaneously

[golden ocean]

I am tempted to close this thread, should I?

[sudden glade]

agreed, that's why I downvoted this post. Needs to say "nerf top 3 as well" and then I'd agree

[ivory radish]

That’s a nerf, doesn’t completely kill the creature. First decent rework

[tranquil ore]

Please do

[keen sonnet]

Concato has an group 100% stun t1

[thin agate]

someone said wall? oppression does that daily :0

[tranquil ore]

I am so sick of this

[keen sonnet]

Do it!

[sudden glade]

why are you sick of people giving feedback on the post

[ivory radish]

It did deserve it

[tranquil ore]

No??

[keen sonnet]

Because you guys are idiots?

[sudden glade]

why can't we say what we think about it. That's the point of forums

[ivory radish]

Stats check?

[sudden glade]

I'm an idiot even though you agreed with my point?

[keen sonnet]

Agreed with what point?

[ivory radish]

Trex is very good at the game bluddy, he knows more than you’ll ever know

[pearl folio]

How about this

[tranquil ore]

Because it's getting aggressive

[sudden glade]

"All of them deserve nerfs simultaneously", that's what I've been saying bud. If they're gonna nerf one, they gotta nerf others too

[ivory radish]

What happened to the resistances?

[tranquil ore]

And out of hand

[lofty fractal]

This thread makes me realize we can't agree on a good way to nerf things to the ideal point which makes me think buffing everything is the better option

[golden ocean]

Im sick of all the drama, not the feedback,

This convo for the last hour or smth has just been "yeah it needs a nerf" or "nah it dosen't because cloch has that too" etc, for me that isn't some good feedback. No offense

[keen sonnet]

No no

You said they deserve nerfs before gryga

[ivory radish]

You guys are making it that by getting annoyed over our point

[keen sonnet]

Yippie!

[sudden glade]

I mean, would you not nerf the best creature first?

[thin agate]

The whole power creep chain deserves nerfs all at once, let's end it at that :D

[ivory radish]

Nerfing and killing are different. A nerf shouldn’t kill the creature

[ivory radish]

So everything needs a nerf

[thin agate]

if you see the chain as the whole game-

[sudden glade]

oh I agree but I like to specify things. I don't think me saying "it doesn't deserve a nerf" would be clear enough

[ivory radish]

Kill nerf

[keen sonnet]

Wouldn’t gryga be too 2 due to its buff

[ivory radish]

You took away almost everything that made magnarap good. Now it’s trash

[sudden glade]

gryg isn't top 3, it's #4

[keen sonnet]

GOOD

[ivory radish]

You don’t need to take everything off it to nerf it

[thin agate]

(the OE 💀)

[pearl folio]

Very trash indeed (overreacting)

[keen sonnet]

Hold on let me cook

[sudden glade]

#4 is still very op but there's still the top 3 which are more oppressive

[pearl folio]

I actually buffed Magna impact slightly

[ivory radish]

Nah, taking away the rampage and the swap in, removing the resistances immunity, and more

[outer lantern]

I mean realistically, what will probably happen is a new dino comes out counter gry or an even better one. Just like giganyx, then people want that nerfed etc. Rinse and repeat

[pearl folio]

Distraction lasts for 2 turns

[lofty fractal]

The main issue is concatoloch and gryganyth and all these newer creatures need huge nerfs to get to ideal level, where things like srg3 and those closer to when things gone too far only need a few, meaning either it's all done at once, or there's a nerf loop

[ivory radish]

You don’t need to rework everything to nerf something

[pearl folio]

The swap in was stupid and came out of nowhere

[thin agate]

"You don't have to attempt to fix the damage to downgrade something that's a part of it"

[keen sonnet]

Grygan and Prex if they had legos

[ivory radish]

Sr3 was once oppressive and it powercrept everything.

[thin agate]

Btw, still does to said creatures that it crept

[golden ocean]

Okay i'm done for today, if this convo is exactly the same when I wake up, trust me i will close this thread, no excuses, yes you might have ur opinion if it dosen't need a nerf or if it does, I will share ur feedback with the team too

[sudden glade]

anything after srg3 is all broken and nerfing one thing would just lead to another broken creature

[golden ocean]

But keep those opinions for yourself thank you

[keen sonnet]

Jsut close it now

[thin agate]

Speaks a lot about the chain as a whole

[golden ocean]

I can't

[keen sonnet]

Wynaut

[ivory radish]

Speaks about the community

[lofty fractal]

Ya, but each gets increasingly broken and needing more nerfs

[sudden glade]

I'm not keeping an opinion to myself when this is an open suggestion thread, I'm sorry. That's just not something I can do

[thin agate]

eh I've only been saying the community is the community since 2020...

[ivory radish]

Yes ik

People will be people

[keen sonnet]

What have u done

[thin agate]

not our predecessors?

[golden ocean]

Wait

[keen sonnet]

They can join PGG NOW YOU DINGUS

[golden ocean]

Shhhh, okay let's see how this thread is in the morning

[sudden glade]

alr

[lofty fractal]

The worst part is those big nerfs are certain to kill a creature until things are perfect which could take months

[sudden glade]

I like to compare nerfs to popping pimples

short term relief and temporarily gets rid of an issue but it just keeps coming back and sometimes acting upon it makes it even worse

[lofty fractal]

I think we need to end the nerf one creature posts, and ask for a rebalance update

[sudden glade]

I'm fine with nerfs when a creature is really oppressive (even more so than other creatures), like conloch

[lofty fractal]

Concatoloch could use a small nerf, otherwise things need to be done together, or not at all

[brisk rock]

I'd give a small nerf to all the top guys in general just to keep the power level down

[thin agate]

The chain must be broken ⛓️

Community peace shall be achieved 👍

[brisk rock]

Because if you're not gonna bother to combat powercreep why would a Concatol nerf matter when it'll get outclassed in a pretty short amount of time anyway

[thin agate]

Towards the ever-evolving broken meta

[lofty fractal]

Ya powercreep NEEDS to be eliminated

[thin agate]

That, for some, is the only part of the game

[sudden glade]

that's why I'm an advocate for rebalancing everything or just when something is TOO oppressive. Those are the times I'm fine with nerfs

[thin agate]

Not even on a side here, just saying lol

[brisk rock]

I do think Concatol should be a priority though
Because
Good lord they do not know how to fix that thing lol

[thin agate]

can't really eliminate it without equalizing the whole chain (not perfectly of course, but still). Damage is damage atp

[lofty fractal]

Ya, rework it, but keep it meta

And work on fixing it, rather by buffing most things, or nerfing everything since indot

[sudden glade]

I'd like to see ankylos and vasilas in the meta

[ivory radish]

It does, but it won’t be

That’s what makes them money

[lofty fractal]

Or so they think

[tranquil ore]

Didn't think wanting a nerf would result in this mess lmao

[ivory radish]

It shouldn’t have

People don’t like hearing others opinions if it disagrees with their own. Sucks but can’t control them

[ivory radish]

I think the icon should have been changed to what they showed in the buff. I hate when icons don’t show what the move does.

[fair sphinx]

All it'd do is make the previous meta creatures the best again

For this thread
Yeah give maximum ferocity a cooldown of 3

The rest of the meta is a different issue

[brisk rock]

It'd force the power level at a limit though

And you could eventually have everything catch up to that power level

Since it's not constantly increasing if you're always keeping track of what's overperforming

[fair sphinx]

meta needs a hard reset more then anything
changing gryg again is only a small part of that

[hollow remnant]

Removing the delay on MF for grygan definitely helped it in skyrocket in usefulness. I don't see the harm in a 3 turn cooldown. Especially if you can get it out of the fight and come back to immediately heal, shield and attack buff again.

[stray dawn]

I don't see Gryganith to be all that crazy. it can be speed reduced, doesn't get cleaned when using instant ferocity, if anything the priority makes it easy to counter as you can debuff it when it gets all the abilities, and lots of things can resist or nullify what it tries to do.

[golden ocean]

the problem with gryganyth imo is that it basically can't die unless you have a huge hitter, because it can heal every other turn, so imo maximum ferocity needs the delay back OR a coolown of 3

[supple grove]

Experienced that one first hand. A base level one with ZERO boosts wiped my best team

[stray dawn]

If you have a cunning creature, it can't do that much. The panthers are prime counters to it

[lofty fractal]

I wonder if it beats sah now

Looks like it does

[fair sphinx]

thats arguably worse then the buff

[tranquil ore]

Revert both buffs

[sudden glade]

nerf conloch before you do that or else you just ruin pvp even more

(ik the messages were a week ago but still. They really do need to fix the damage reduction cleanse from its basic attack, so annoying)

[vale rover]

We're at a point where we need to nerf all the top meta if we want to nerf a single Dino
If we do not have a full nerf there is no reason to nerf Gryga alone because it will just kill it unfortunetly

[reef pike]

Just buff all current apex into modern apex levels and we party. But there's no money in that so no, never.

[fair sphinx]

I think we just need a hard reset to the meta
more then a specific set of nerfs and buffs

[vale rover]

Yup
But Jamcity wouldn't get any advantages so it will probably never happen

[sudden glade]

so true

everything in the top 10 and even a bit more than that deserve nerfs

[fair sphinx]

you nerf the top 10 and the previous top 10 become extra oppresive again

eventually stuff that got buffed but not meta defining will become meta defining

[brisk rock]

Tbf
That depends on how hard they get nerfed
And even in this scenario that's still preferable as the power level is going down

[fair sphinx]

that is true

but simply nerfing the top 10 isn't exactly enough

the silver lining is that stuff thats powerful due to buffs but never top tier like Trebax and Poukan
become top tier as I said

[brisk rock]

It's not enough to fix balancing for sure but it is helpful and can be turned into a good habit for the game

[fair sphinx]

we need more variety as well

so picking a power level and keeping everything at that power level as much as possible would help

oh yeah

the ideal meta for me is every single creature has a niche and is usable
obviously apexes and uniques are the best
but lower rarities are usable in arena if you know what you're doing

[sudden glade]

well yeah

that's just how any game works

[fair sphinx]

eventually you would get to a point where enough stuff gets nerfed that theres a variety