#The omega problem prevails

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dapper rampart
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Omegas ARE destroying the game, and everything skilled tournaments once stood for. Ever since they were released Omega creatures have dominated every single tournament, to where most tournaments now are just filled entirely with omegas. I had originally advocated for the ban of omegas to the skill format to eliminate this issue, until someone brought up the fact that omegas are designed for skills.

Just think about it: abilities that unlock, and some of those abilities disabled depending on the tournament, and the training point system. The training point system essentially acts as boosts for omegas. You apply training points to influence your omegas stats in battle. With omegas being designed for tournaments there is 0 reason in which ludia bans them from tournaments.

The next logical option would then be to simply reduce the amount of omegas allowed per tournament, and look where that’s going. This tournament is nothing but an RNG fest where if you draw your omegas your basically just guaranteed the win. But I do like seeing the rares in action instead of a complete omega dominance. I do think this is a step in the right direction, but not nearly enough.

This all leads us back to the root of the problem which is the simple fact that Omegas are to strong to compete against their lower rarities. I would say the only acceptation to this is unique skilled tournaments.

Solutions: I have a couple of solutions to this problem. The most straight forward is to ban them entirely or at least just limit them to skills similar to what happened with the reactives in unique tournaments. Another solution is just to nerf omegas to the point where they are able to compete amongst others in a given rarity. But now I want to hear your guys solutions and thoughts to this problem which will just keep continuing the more omegas that ludia relates. Just look at the new stegosaurus, and yuty.

verbal path
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We need rarity to scale stats and resistances, as well as the moves being better scaled

marsh oak
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I would rather them just disappear from the game. I know that’s not a solution but they are the worst thing to happen to this game

atomic pier
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Coming from a guy that used to place quite high until oppressiveness came into play, then started pretty much getting top 50 mainly because of it bringing more RNG in all aspects and team walling into play, balance. needs. to. happen. And same thing also goes for advantage tournaments. Building any rarity aside from apex or omega is basically useless, and here's why:

Apexes will oppressivize uniques you build and your general arena experience overall. And omegas? Say goodbye to anything you built for advantage tournaments, 30/30 lower rarities up until legendary get destroyed/walled by level 12+ fukuiraptor, '93, etc, hopefully you get my point. And a lot of uniques have been pushed down by these omegas. Mainly due to crit RNG and team RNG with what you start with. They wall if you start the omega that counters that one in unique.

Oppressiveness as a whole needs to go. It's making us ask what skill even is when things just turn 1 swap on you and hard counter you and/or wall you. Since 2.7 when Compy g2 pushed out Marsupial Lion and Nasuto, and Compy g1 pushed out things like Smiloceph, Carnotarkus (with its Alert The Flock synergy), even Mammotherium at times, depending on synergy. And Phorusaura too, mainly because of Alert The Flock. + Quite a few epics, most of them being fierces you couldn't really hope to use ever since that age because they'd just get trap killed by a flock that absorbs at least 3 non-group hits before not being able to trap at all

This is what we get for what oppressiveness has done to the game. When will there actually be skill involved in what you use, when you use them, how you play around things (Which you can hardly ever do nowadays) or combos again?

keen blade
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I've gone 4 straight battles without drawing an omega. 2 battles opponent had 1, other 2 battles they had 2. I get any skill battle involves some rng depending on draw but the gap between the omegas and rares needs to be narrowed if this format continues.

outer dragon
# atomic pier Coming from a guy that used to place quite high until oppressiveness came into p...

“Apexes will oppressivize uniques you build and your general arena experience overall.”

Tell that to the Raidable Apexs Imperatosuchus, Mortem, Hydraboa, Haast, Hadros, Ceramagnus, and Gorgotrebex.

All of whom have been handily getting wrecked by TMet, Dsungascorpio, the Atroc hybrids, Thylos Intrepidus, Dracovenator, and Pantheratator….

At least Ref and Alacranix can handle most of them under the right circumstances.

fierce timber
atomic pier
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I wasn't generally referring to the apexes that suck

I was referring to the ones currently meta + Indon

And the 3 more that are potentially coming

fierce timber
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But it’s still not up with alacranix and ref

atomic pier
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Point being there will sooner or later be a rarity focused oppressivization wall for supposed aspects of PvP like Omegas do to every tournament format

outer dragon
atomic pier
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The power creep escalation managed to keep that trend going ever since, Skoonamet, Gem, Kyrie, and Indon are still a part of this (indon for Gyrosphere Depot at least), like how Ankylos got to shine due to the oppressivization it came with on things like Skoona as if Vasilas didn't oppressivize it enough and other things that both vasilas and ankylos just said "Oh I'm just better than you" to

Even Cranix is at least kind of oppressive to some things. Like yes, a lot of things are oppressive. I used the start of the elevation of power creep as an example for a reason

SR G3 is still oppressive to its time of release. It pushed stuff like Tryko and Dio out because of this cool little move called Toxic Quills combined with the combo of its swap-in ability, and what it could stun-lock in general if slower

outer dragon
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True enough!

dapper rampart
# outer dragon True enough!

Yeah. Basically we just need a complete rebalance of creatures at this point. At least make some older creatures viable and not always having to run the meta to do well in this game.

rare valley
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The best way to combat the influx of Omegas into the game is this....
Ignore the blasted things completely !
Do not collect thier dna, dont use them in tournaments, dont even combine thier dna when that also arises in the game, dont enter Isla events if they have Omega as rewards.
STARVE THE SODS
Sooner or later they will get the message we are no longer goint to tolerate having crap forced down our throats constantly all the time.
We are the players of the game not some addle brained tech nerd sitting in a 6 x 4 foot cubicle saying ** yes sir, no sir, will do sir, can do sir**
This makes us all look like a bunch of CYLON CENTURIONS taking orders from Imperious Leader !

novel flume
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I think really the worst offenders are Fukui,CG,Sin and Yuty[maybe Mattel too].Fukui can be faster than most cunnings and pounce and bite is a truly horrendous attack and anticipation makes any priority that is not armor pierce or precise worthless,CG is Panthera but even worse with priority with a high crit chance,Sin is ridiculously fast and devious can really screw over things massively[Reminder sin can get up to 138 BASE speed] Yuty has rexy's dominant roar problem but even worse because it armor pierces and similarly targets all opponents and Mattel Rex has rend and a priority slowing attack with zero delay

rare valley
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Omegas SUCK ... they are slowly but surely destroying what used to be a good game, with all the enhancements that can be put on them even a real good LV26 dino gets clobbered by a LV9 Omega which is total rubbish in my book.
They should give us at least a 2 month run of tournaments where there is no Omegas allowed ... end of story
Why do we have to have every tournament with Omegas in it ?
Give us break for once i am rapidly getting sick and tired of seeing omegas every week month after month.

grim coyote
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The problem is this.
If omegas weren’t something different, special, and op no one would entertain emptying their wallet to get the advantage they clearly give.
So players who are allowing the ftp brigade to get their fix by spending on them would be proper annoyed if they couldn’t get to use them wouldn’t they?
I suggested an alternative earlier saying no omegas up to unique tourneys but I guess even that wouldn’t appease those who invested in the omegas.

naive lotus
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I think, at least for skill tourneys, everyone's omegas should have same TP distribution as everyone else, the only bonus you should get in skill are unlocked moves for the max rarity allowed in that tourney.

And unique enhancements shouldn't be a thing either in skill tourney.

But all of those things are fair in advantage...

outer dragon
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It’s insane to me that a creature with a 200% Crit Hit and a 98% Crit Rate is somehow considered fair just because it doesn’t have a Rampage or Impact.

Like, it might as well have a Rampage if ever hit is going to do nearly 2x damage anyway.