Omegas: Good Idea, Worst Execution

[frigid crane]

Let's break down just how awful and destructive these creatures are, starting with their disproportionate effect on different metas. It's clear that the stats on these things were made for legendary and unique tier(they all resist bleed, why on earth does rend immunity even exist?) And they have base stats too high for lower rarities. To take a look at how they effect lower metas let's see how stegouros fares, compared to its ankylosaur peers stegouros has lower armor, slightly more health, a little extra speed, but about 1.5x the damage and this is paired with an instant strike that gives it a shield as well as armor and a fierce impact to ensure no resilient can outstall it, on top of this it is rend immune(seriously why is this a thing?) and bleed resistant which allows it to take out every common but allosaurus. Toro does about the same thing to rares and the worst part is you will not be able to use these creatures for free due to extremely restrictive darting. Despite giving only 12 dna per direct hit omegas are limited to 1 spawn a day and 3 in a week which is a pitiful amount compared to the 600 they sell in the store all the time. Both of these limitations make the few non exclusive omegas extremely hard to get and the spawn limit falls into the same trap as the other frankly stupid short range spawns of becoming very overcrowded once more get added due to Jamcity's ultimate short-sightedness. I hope the team here is able to respond and that these problems could hopefully be addressed soon. Of course one way to ensure your creature that fills every rarity is balanced is to close the enormous gap between all of the rarities but that would never be profitable so I guess not.

[wary ridge]

Dang only 12

[frigid crane]

Yes, it's so obvious they don't want you to have omegas above level 6 for free

[wary ridge]

The amount of dna you need makes it sound like it should follow common/rare rules of spawn and stuff 💀

I love omegas but dang

[balmy elk]

How else is jam city gonna milk it’s player base without making it a mind numbingly dull grind

[frigid crane]

We also need to keep in mind toro gets his third ability at level 6 while stegouros has to wait until level 16 and diablo until 11 for it

[wary ridge]

Also 1 a day and 3 a week sucks,

[wary ridge]

The coins and dna needed to get a omega to unique status is enough

[trim lava]

Could have been like Draco where 1 a week resetting every Monday

[ocean token]

I'm convinced they just have a bet going about who can come up with the most outrageous update to push the player base away

[ocean token]

Yeah draco is a unique, it starts at 21

And gives way more dna per direct hit, do you realise how much darting you need to level this from the lvl1 it starts at?

[wary ridge]

I hate that for uniques, let alone something that should be common

[balmy elk]

If they were to limit it, at least 1 a day. That seems fair. But that 12 dna per perfect dart, that’s just disgusting

[wary ridge]

1 a day alone is acceptable

With a normal dart amount

[balmy elk]

This is coming from decent people with functional brains. Ludia and jam city are neither decent people nor have functional brains

[echo anchor]

Plus it can't be put into sanctuaries. The trend keeps going.

At this point they should make all the creatures exclusive so that we can all quit.

[trim lava]

Yeah omegas should be allowed in Sanctuary

[wary ridge]

Darting is getting less and less needed too

Which should be a huge focus on these kinda games

[frigid crane]

Of course they can't, why am I not surprised?

[wary ridge]

Jurassic world alive is more like Jurassic world lazy nowadays

[ocean token]

Don't forget they even stole the art for diablo, that's how little effort they put into these shameless moves

[balmy elk]

Less effort requires less money which means more money they can shove in their pockets

[frigid crane]

This company is getting really disgusting

I think I'll never like short range again, the tracker made it better and it was decent before red was exclusive but now it's just an awful mechanic made to invalidate the map

[wary ridge]

Like what's the point of vip if everything is short range

[frigid crane]

None really, they powercrept their own paid subscription

[wary ridge]

Fr

[balmy elk]

Even Jurassic world the game buffed their vip. This one has been the same since the beginning

[wary ridge]

Fr

[frigid crane]

Vip will need an update (and probably an accompanying price increase) to stay relevant

[ocean token]

You still get more darts no? Per session I mean

Not defending it, they are douchebags but it does give something

You get the bigger "drone battery" or what the hell they call it

[wary ridge]

True and more data for pass but

[ocean token]

Eh pass doesn't matter, you complete that anyway - imagine if you couldn't finish it without vip

[wary ridge]

A couple more darts isn't too big matter eather usually especially since they hate darting nowadays

They could make vip really good with, weekly coins (10k a week seems fair) early access to some of the exclusives, more dna per dart increased dart storage, mabie seeing event exclusive in the wild here and there

[frigid crane]

Maybe they'll bring the drone batteries back

Make them pay only so if you don't buy them you literally can't dart unless an event comes up

[balmy elk]

If they cared enough, they could make vip worth it. As it stands, I’m glad I cancelled my vip. Took over 4.5 years

[ocean token]

A lot of people cancelled it when they locked put the android playerbase for a week

I bought every pass before then, but not a single one since

[balmy elk]

Ya I remember that

They don’t deserve the money and dedication from the fans. It’s sad how they abuse the IP and the player base

[wary ridge]

I can say if you buy anything the pass is the thing to

[ocean token]

Used to be at least, they kept reducing the value there too

[wary ridge]

They are worth it till they aren't

[ocean token]

I generally like buying the "monthly pass" concept of free games I play, but I just cant do that here with a clear mind

[wary ridge]

I think monthly passes are cool

[frigid crane]

Unless they give you a free meta destroyer to terrorize Mt.Sibo with

20$ that is but the point still stands

Gianyx, thor, dscorp, compsor, and aeno were all present across low arenas due to passes

[balmy elk]

The problem with the passes is the prices. Especially since it’s split into 3 types. free, paid and extra paid. Over 50$ for a monthly pass is very excessive

[wary ridge]

Ya true 20 is the one I usually see as good

[wary ridge]

Its not as much the passes as it is not level locking them

[shy eagle]

And to get an omega level 30 with how leveling them up works would take, if you were in theory perfect at darting and consistently found omegas, would take 98 weeks

[polar zephyr]

I'd hazard a guess that after the whales have had their fun stomping on people with these new creatures, Ludia will make it easier to obtain Omega DNA.

[naive grotto]

Omegas to me are a bad idea, and that has to do with getting them unlocked and just finding the dna to do it is why I see it a bad idea

[wary ridge]

I like them but they should have been more common and less limited

[polar zephyr]

They're not much worse than any of the other P2W creatures

[polar zephyr]

We all knew that wasn't going to happen. If ludia can mostly lock it behind a paywall, they will

[naive grotto]

So you believe that unlocking twice is more tolerable than unlocking a Ceratosaurus just once to get it?

[wary ridge]

Its something that looked like a feature that gos from New players to old

[naive grotto]

Yea, at least with paying to unlock Cerato, it’s a one and done deal that doesn’t block you out from getting it

[wary ridge]

A stay with you the whole time thing like a better nundasuches

[wary ridge]

You still need to level it eather way

[naive grotto]

It’s only p2w when I’m thinking about leveling it up, which has been a long trend for creatures before Omegas arrived

Because where else would you find cheap Cerato at? No where unless it was a showcase supply drop, isle event, or a store offer

[wary ridge]

Speaking of which its dartable this week, I can finally get it

[naive grotto]

E yes

[wary ridge]

As long as I can get 100 dna lol

[naive grotto]

Yep

[polar zephyr]

Unlock twice? What?

[wary ridge]

Ya I never fully understood what that meant

[naive grotto]

1st unlock to get it open for the creature tracker and 2nd unlock to get all moves unlocked at lv 21

[wary ridge]

It does take less dna to unlock the omegas

[polar zephyr]

All I had to do to get it tracked was join a lobby with someone who had it in a raid

[wary ridge]

Oh lol 😆 🤣 😂 its fun though the concept is fun just poorly exicuted

Ya you only need to see it

[polar zephyr]

I darted diablo today. Only was able to get 53 DNA though. 47 more to unlock. They're very stingey with the direct hit DNA. Im level 14 and only get 7 DNA per direct hit

[frigid crane]

Which is exactly why I said terrible execution, if they spawned as much as rares and weren't short range omegas would be way better

Of course if they also weren't insanely broken for the lower rarities

[dreamy panther]

Wait you can only find 3 a week

[frigid crane]

It's stupid

You need more dna for them than you do epics but get only 3 a week and half the dna of a unique

[wary ridge]

Dang 16500 to get it to lv 21

[naive grotto]

E yes

[dreamy panther]

Wait u need more than 150 to unlock

[wary ridge]

Or am I misunderstanding the amounts

[wary ridge]

100 unlock, 16700 (way I understand it) to go to lv 21

[dreamy panther]

Ok

[wary ridge]

More for lv 30

27500 more for 30

[hushed helm]

it costs $7000 to max toro

[wary ridge]

I was so excited to use him but even 21 is alot

[frigid crane]

Still cheaper than maxed enhancements on a unique

[wary ridge]

Wow

[hollow hemlock]

For every maxed toro, a car is left to collect dust in a dealership showroom

[echo anchor]

It is probably better for the whale's carbon footprint.

[frigid crane]

Why do they cost this much? Does it increase every level?

I bet level 30 is 500k or something

[hollow hemlock]

Apparently its 2k for 3>4

[hollow hemlock]

5million*

[keen pulsar]

3 -> 4 is 2000
4 -> 5 is 2500

[hollow hemlock]

What level is that supposed to be for epics 15?

[frigid crane]

No way that's serious

[keen pulsar]

2000 is 11 -> 12 usually

[hollow hemlock]

Jesus

[frigid crane]

According to toolbox 29-30 is 350k

[keen pulsar]

not as bad as it could've been

[frigid crane]

2 million total

[wary ridge]

I only have lv 3 but it looks like it increases by 500 each time so far

[north veldt]

Nice

[keen pulsar]

But still why??? They're already time gated and really hard to dart??

They don't have to kill a feature that hard holy hell

[hollow hemlock]

How about the extra abilities? Dna only or is it literally their version of enhancements?

[north veldt]

[hollow hemlock]

And everyone thought tier 5 enhancements was beyond stretching it

[wary ridge]

I think both but I won't get lv 6 for a bit

[keen pulsar]

As if 75k legendary dna for a niche ability wasn't enough, now we have dinos that take 2 years to level based

[hollow hemlock]

Or 3 if rng really screws you

[north veldt]

Nice

[ocean token]

it doesn't even have to screw you, you take about 3 years assuming 100 per dart (and with 12 for a direct hit and how small that circle is, even that is pretty hard without VIP tbh)

[north veldt]

6 per week

[polar zephyr]

Increased to what? Lol.

[north veldt]

6 per week

[polar zephyr]

Where'd you find that out?

[north veldt]

When I darted 6 it said max attempts reached

[polar zephyr]

Gotcha. Would be nice if they could just be transparent and provide a number lol

[hearty vault]

👆

[north veldt]

Please

[wary ridge]

Id have preferred 7 (one a day) but I guess its fine

[north veldt]

Only 1 year to max

[wary ridge]

Fair enough, wish I could find them easier though

[north veldt]

Restart your game while looking

Cause the tracker sucks

[wary ridge]

I mean more would have been amazing especially since its rarity wide not just 1, but I feel its fair enough (especially since the one I want on team is toro anyway)

[wary ridge]

Unfortunately it takes like 2 minutes to load up and I'm usually in a car when I'm looking looking (and not just checking if one is in walking distance)

[north veldt]

Should be infinite

Ahhh you want toro, gonna need a few grand then mate

[wary ridge]

Tbf ya (and about as common as a rare/common (also eventually ill have it at lv 21-30 just like the rest)

[north veldt]

Only 1 year

Unless you spend on omegas Ig

[wary ridge]

I expect that with anything tbh

[north veldt]

I’ll just ignore them, more pointless then vexus

[wary ridge]

Fair when your team changes every update

[north veldt]

Evolution Cost

From Level 1

To Level 30
coin For Leveling Up: 2,079,500
dna Diabloceratops: 41,600

2X more then a normal Dino in coin

They should have dedicated “coin days” where everything that gives coin is like 4x and limits on drops are removed

[vocal spire]

Could max both baby rhinos for a little over the same cost in coins

Oops!

[north veldt]

Baby rhinos the way to go everytime

[wary ridge]

How much for lv 21?

[north veldt]

Idk

[wary ridge]

Dang for about 60 dna per pop it takes 694 dart attempts

115 days at 6 a day

[north veldt]

400k

[north veldt]

It’s 6 a week

[wary ridge]

So max one per update cycle

[wary ridge]

O right lol 😆 then 115 weeks

One per 2 years

[north veldt]

Unfortunate

[wary ridge]

Of course thats about average darting of 5/10 at 12 dna per pop

[north veldt]

If it was 6 a day I wouldn’t be complaining

[wary ridge]

Honestly 6 a week sounds decent but at least 3 a day

[north veldt]

Only 1 year

[wary ridge]

That would put it about 2-3 update cycles

[north veldt]

They’re adding 7 new omegas next update

So just make it infinite attempts

[wary ridge]

I'd also say make the limit per creature

Ya a limit works for 1 or 2 but when its as common as epics even it should have no excuse of not being infinite

Dang

I wish I was excited

[north veldt]

Omegas are all ludia will add now

And unique non hybrids which honestly I’ll take over omegas

[wary ridge]

I understood that and didn't care until the limits

Been so long since a hybrid was added

But ill still goal for unique hybrids below unique, apex at unique (if they aren't hybruds)

Eventually they'll find a way to make omega hybrids

[hollow hemlock]

9 if we're being honest considering non hybrid uniques cost like 3-5k

And dont forget cash cows like the big one

[wary ridge]

They take 3000, you need 42k for omegas

[pure oxide]

Increase omega weekly limit. 6 is too few!

[naive grotto]

Omega weekly limitations shouldn’t exist and the amount of DNA + coin needed to get one up a level is obnoxious

The low spawn chance does about all the difficulty needed to keep it from being power crept

[wary ridge]

Also it just makes it more pay to use

[trim lava]

🗿

[north veldt]

Yeah it’s terrible

Probably the worst addition to jwa ever…

[wary ridge]

Probably not the omegas themselves but the limits to them

[naive grotto]

The ways to get them up to level is the problem itself, and it just repeats the problems that arise with Enhancements

[wary ridge]

Its just too rare really imagine lv 30ing a common its gotta be comparable

Ya 346k so honestly omegas are better

And omegas are stronger at least at lv 30 so

[frigid crane]

Commons are still comparatively easier to level than omegas

[frigid crane]

No no omegas themselves are probably the worst

[wary ridge]

Because if rarity

[frigid crane]

If they just scaled the stats

Then they'd be fine, maybe not balanced but definitely better than stegouros and toro currently

[wary ridge]

Ya if they introduced it right it would not be hated

Well as much at least

[frigid crane]

We all know Ludia is unwilling and the code is probably too messy to do that

[glad sequoia]

They should've added another fuseable unique or legendary instead, no need to add new class like "omega". It's been a while since we had any fuseable unique/legendary. Or new apex raid

[frigid crane]

Omegas limit rare hybrids

😭

[trim lava]

Imagine if u fuse creatures for a omega

[naive grotto]

Omegas I find expensive as Enhancements and Stat Boosts

They are not cheaper than a regular non omega, and the dedication to getting them maxed out is obnoxiously high

[dreamy panther]

Wait is it possible to get level 15 toro

[frigid crane]

Not yet I don't think

Not enough sold to get that high

[dreamy panther]

Hmmmm

[frigid crane]

Could be a bot, that happens in lower arenas

Did you lose 2 or 3 battles in a row before this?

[polar zephyr]

I doubt it's a bot. Haven't seen any bots using omegas. Im in the arena above him and I've only seen bots use epics

[frigid crane]

I saw the bot use a 29 cerato before that was possible so it could be, there's not really any better explanation either

[naive grotto]

Nope

You have to buy incubators

[dreamy panther]

I don't remember

[stuck stag]

Just to add a pinch of tilt, you need to waste 300 EXTRA DNA to unlock the first ability... So yeah,.. Very bad execution....

[noble glen]

What if they increased the immunity over the levels like the moves?

[hollow hemlock]

Thatd be too hard to code for them

[noble glen]

Ludia do be lazy

[noble glen]

It’s only 3 creatures right now

[hollow hemlock]

Enhancements in skill not fixed? Lets release something that changes moves every single tourney

[glad sequoia]

Could've had aquatic dino but they chose omega

[hollow hemlock]

Both are bound to be disasterous tbh

Especially when there's a fc ton of problems they ignore to fix bc they cant or wont bother when it doesnt equal a fckn dollar sign

[noble glen]

Just asking but are omegas even worth it?

[naive grotto]

Nope

They are scams

[glad sequoia]

Nope, Apex and Unique are way better investment

[hollow hemlock]

A big big NOPE

[naive grotto]

Unlocking may look easy, but beware that getting 12 or lower on a direct hit is not worth your time, patience, accuracy, and skill to even consider.

[frigid crane]

You need to at least unlock them or else you'll suffer in common-epic skill

Even a level 1 stegouros messes up epics

[hollow hemlock]

Common skill still exists for some reason despite this disaster of an update

Well if you draw allo/dont draw stegou

[north veldt]

Fix omegas

[hollow hemlock]

Fix the entire fckn game

[glad sequoia]

Stegouros "embolden" literally gives you :
Increased speed
Increased armor
Increased attack
Increased crit chance
Minor Heal
And it's a priority

How can they allow so many effect on one move ??

[hollow hemlock]

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[delicate plover]

i aint reading all that

[frigid crane]

Just understand omegas= no more skill tournaments, the end of the map, and more ptw

[delicate plover]

ok got it

[frigid crane]

Removes the point of creating hybrids 😭

That's really what they're for