please, buff indoraptor

[vast hill]

Indoraptor has no reason to be part of the process

[last pilot]

Even movement wise a pen is easier to manipulate for multiple targets

Idk prototype i guess

[coral crane]

The laser was meant for making indoraptor surprise them cause you can aim near them and press a button and their entire army will be dead

[vast hill]

Sure

Indoraptor vs armor piercing rounds does not end well for one party

[ocean prism]

Honestly how was indoraptor ever approved for military use

I’m pretty sure it’s not even bullet proof, bullet resistant at most

[vast hill]

The entire concept is dumb

[vestal sapphire]

Indorap dosent seem bulletproof

And for military use i think indom would be a better fit

Stuff indorap dna into indom then boom u have a indoraptor intelligent indom and just finish off armies with that

Indoraptor seems abit weak to fight armies honestly

[last pilot]

War animals are a good idea... if you're fighting wars during the graeco-persian war or similar times

Even the last example in the movie for using beasts in war tactic was during ww1/ww2 that uses rats. And even then those rats only killed soldiers with a plague

If anything that's more of chemical warfare than straight up biological warfare

If anything, replace the locusts with cretaceous mammals/rodents, have them spread a plague in the style of planet of the apes and watch as your plan goes horribly right and kills everyone incase you dont find a vaccine/cure

Or just destroy physics and create kaiju since mortem clearly is meant to resemble a giant iguana that dies to missles, mind control it and have it wreck your enemies in numbers before it inevitably breaks free of your control and destroys your entire strategy

In shorter words, war=bad

[vestal sapphire]

Definitely

[turbid trail]

It's

Google it

[turbid trail]

Indom ?Absolutely not the best for military.He's big and very perceptible he's that clever as indoraptor.Indoraptor is better because he's smaller, faster, smarter.If he will get shot he will just pretend to be dead.

[ocean prism]

Indorap has a bullet hole from owens gun, it’s like 2 frames where it’s visible but still there

[vast hill]

Playing dead in an active warzone is the worst thing you could do

Again these military dinosaurs would only be useful for tracking and killing guerilla troops and that's only if they aren't dependant on a noisy laser pointer like indoraptor

It's literally a 1 ton cat when you think about it

[last pilot]

Again we are not in ancient greece to use animals to mow down phalanxes. If they can teach indoraptor to hack the security bunkers of bomb shelters then maybe

But unless its in a landscape where tunnels and caves are plentiful, expect a uav to show up in 11 minutes

[last pilot]

Ever heard of take no prisoners and overkill?

Not checking if your target is dead from a safe distance is horror movie 101

And no horror movie monster plot armor doesnt exist irl especially the lazy ones used to churn out 13 sequels like regeneration/totally no selling weapons and escaping hell

[vast hill]

I think animals, especially all these dinosaurs, would be viable as recently as 150 years ago

After all they still rode and used horses then so what's a 19th century army supposed to do when their enemies are riding in on 10 ton hadrosaurs that take dozens of shots to bring down and run right over them?

[last pilot]

There's only 1 raptor that'll be useful today; an f-35 lol

[coral crane]

Indom is far better for war because of its raw power and size so if they try to climb a tree Indoraptor would be useless but indom is better for that area and also if indoraptor couldn't catch a little girl how is it gonna catch a grown man

[turbid trail]

Also Indoraptor was faster than velociraptor

[vast hill]

Both are just going to get blown up

[last pilot]

By a raptor in the sky

[turbid trail]

It could run at 60km per hour

[last pilot]

Drop a heat seeker on it

[turbid trail]

At least it needs a speed buff

[vast hill]

They can't be used in a real military engagement because tanks and jets get them

[last pilot]

Or just call the drones and blast the place to kingdom come

[vast hill]

I think a better dodge move and decel resistance would help a lot

[turbid trail]

It's like 1,5x faster than velociraptor

[vast hill]

Where does it say that? We really never see it running in an open space

I feel like 75% slow resistance would be better than 198 speed

[vast hill]

I feel like being 1 ton it could never run at cheetah speeds

Maybe 40 mph, 50 at a sprint

[last pilot]

The real question is what'll be more effective between the atrociraptor pack and the indo in an actual guerilla warfare situation

Or just a 4v1 between the atrocis and indo

[vast hill]

Indoraptor being resistant to lighter firearms probably gives it the edge

Also probably enough intelligence to create a strategy rather than the atrocis who just go berserk when a target is picked

[last pilot]

Didnt indo also go berserk with 1st time the laser was used?

[vast hill]

Well it was an abused and unfinished prototype

I was thinking like an actual finished indoraptor

[last pilot]

If anything indo functioned better on its own. The reason it broke the skyglass was when bryce used the laser on it

[last pilot]

Arent the atrocis supposed to be the indoraptor perfected but just "not hybrids"

[vast hill]

I honestly don't know

They didn't exactly seem like it other than the fact they actually were obedient

[last pilot]

Wouldnt an actual non psychotic indo still have berserk tendencies then with how the atrocis behaved?

[vast hill]

It also doesn't seem that specialized for speed, cheetahs have tons of adaptations for it and still get overheated after around a minute of top speed

So indoraptor being over 10 times heavier and without blinding speed being its sole strategy it would probably not be able to go that fast

Just like how it probably couldn't have the same bite force as indom

[last pilot]

So stealth is really the only option it has with that elephant feet padding+echolacation combo huh?

[vast hill]

Indo is still definitely going to outrun a person in any situation, it's just not going 60km per hour

[vast hill]

Actually isn't 60km per hour about 37 miles per hour? I feel like that's a lot more reasonable

Oh it is

Oh well, I guess yeah that's reasonable

They also say the raptors can go at 50 miles per hour or something so whatever source said 60kmph was 1.5x faster than the raptors is just unreliable

[turbid trail]

Not 198.

At least 133

[vast hill]

I think 128 is plenty

Just needs some extra resistances and a replacement for evasive stance

[vast hill]

That's an accurate velo

That's for an accurate raptor, which is like 6 feet long

And not insanely juiced up like a movie one

[turbid trail]

Owen's raptor were able to run 50-60miles per hour.Not an average raptor

So blue, Charlie, echo and delta should be faster

[vast hill]

I doubt they're significantly faster than an average jp raptor

[turbid trail]

Yh they are

But an average raptor has 132 speed

[vast hill]

I don't see why they would be

[sharp igloo]

The game shouldn't really be following movie accurate logic anyway, because the big edgy hybrids would have stats cranked to the max and the game would be less fun than it already is.

[vast hill]

Why attribute canon/real stats to the game when they pretty much never have

Not to mention everything else would probably be killed by dread and brachi

Carno is as slow as a rock and birds have more health than triceratops

[turbid trail]

Carnotaurus ?

[vast hill]

Yes

[turbid trail]

It was one of the fastest theropods

[vast hill]

But it's got 104 speed

[turbid trail]

JWA logic

[vast hill]

Which is why I said logic doesn't apply here

[vast hill]

This is the exact same thing as rexy supposedly being much bigger than any other trex despite being like 40 feet long which is perfectly within the range of possibility

[turbid trail]

I have no clue how meiolania is faster than trex

[vast hill]

Just because it is

[sharp igloo]

I mean, they got Geminideus accurate

And we can all agree that it didn't turn out very well

[vast hill]

I sure would love to see Argentinosaurus become the best thing in the game

[turbid trail]

Let's hope we aren't going to see geminideus in jw4

[turbid trail]

I hate this cringe creature so much

[vast hill]

I'd like to see jwa become official cannon

[last pilot]

Argentino ig being the same sized as apato:

Plus the average speed for jp raptors is 40mph

Specifically said in the og film they only hit 60 when they're hungry

That's atleast the case for the jp3 and jw raptors being the less psychotic breeds

[sharp igloo]

I wish I could gain super speed by missing a meal lol

[vast hill]

Apato isn't that small in comparison, baja and amargo are around 1/3 the size though

[strong sundial]

I am in say, Massachusetts
My friend is in California
We are both in North America
Therefore, we are in the same place despite a 3000 mile difference

[vestal sapphire]

i said indom bcs hes tanky and can charge right at enemies and kill most he can while the soldiers on indoms side build an attack while indom is distracting them, if indor charges they dont see him as big of a deal and wont put 100% focus on indor

[strong sundial]

He’s also invisible

[strong sundial]

Why won’t they 100% focus on the 30ft shrieking mentally deranged raptor with giant claws charging straight at them?

[vestal sapphire]

indor is 30ft?

[strong sundial]

I don’t know the exact dimensions but he’s not small

[vestal sapphire]

hes not big enough for everyone to see him tho and as the other guy said indorap is a sneaky guy killing them 1 by 1 while indom camouflages his way there and just goes for a big attack

[strong sundial]

Indom stealth attack could probably destroy a group of soldiers with tanks

[vestal sapphire]

with tanks? i dont think so

[strong sundial]

Indor could almost certainly be very menacing if he wants to

[strong sundial]

Remember that indom gets to pick where he’s attacking and also has shrugged off rocket fire

[vestal sapphire]

indor can defo but a dent in the tank but tanks is multiple so i dont think indor is capable of killing multiple tanks

[vestal sapphire]

if indom shrugged off a rocket fire i doubt indor can do any better

[strong sundial]

It can’t

[vast hill]

1 word, tank

[strong sundial]

It’s tiny and not armored
Unlike indom which is giant armored thing

[vestal sapphire]

i never said indom will do better killing tanks but indor certainly cant

[strong sundial]

I never disagreed

[vestal sapphire]

at least indom knows not to just take a giant rocket to the face

[vast hill]

I just don't think it works for either of them

[vestal sapphire]

both for militaries?

[vast hill]

They also have no anti aircraft capacity so drones or an air strike will end them

[vestal sapphire]

if militaries wanted stealthy kind of stuff they would just put a bunch of snipers

[vestal sapphire]

true

[vast hill]

Maybe indominus and indoraptor would be usable if they didn't cost so much and weren't prone to being uncontrollable maniacs

[vestal sapphire]

but like dinosaurs as distractions are still good cus they will use air strikes on the indos while the soldiers attack

[vestal sapphire]

yes

[vast hill]

A multimillion dollar distraction that takes years to raise isn't worth it

I have to say indoraptor would be great for a situation like the Vietnam war but in a head to head engagement it's an expensive piece of missile bait

[vestal sapphire]

yes

will there be a fourth jw movie?

[vast hill]

Probably

[vestal sapphire]

Hopefully

[vast hill]

No idea when or what it's going to be about

[vestal sapphire]

yeah, all the dino companies are done

[vast hill]

Presumably continuing dominion's dinosaurs are taking over the world plot line since the locusts were all taken care of

[vestal sapphire]

ye

[last pilot]

We are seriously heading into kaiju direction here. Indominus isnt godzilla, the same an rpg rocket isnt a tank round

[half lark]

I headcanon Indoraptor as being intelligent enough to understand conversational language and read social cues and make decisions.

[turbid trail]

Btw

Soon ludia will add gem counter with insta fierce charge

And wound

Also armor reduce resistance

[turbid trail]

Styracosaurus lux

[vast hill]

I doubt even if it was that intelligent that it could understand human speech

Animals like dolphins, elephants, and even apes don't just understand people and know what they're saying and I have no idea if birds that mimic speech have any idea what they're saying although corvids and parrots are also very intelligent

[last pilot]

Give it corvid/parrot dna and you're looking at some dino xenomorph

[vast hill]

They still don't understand us, them knowing what we say is like us knowing what their caws mean without any time to decipher them

[last pilot]

Ik but there's a chance it could be used like bait at times

After all not everyone is a d to leave their comrades behind, so it might work at the 1st few times it does it

[last pilot]

Also the title of the post should be changed to "Why applying Indominus and Indoraptor to real life militaries is a terrible, terrible idea"

[turbid trail]

@vast hill

Look at this amazing creature

[vast hill]

I've seen that, of course it will be shop exclusive

[last pilot]

What's more meta?

[last pilot]

No way they'll release that wild lol

[vast hill]

What is that?

Is it styraco?

[last pilot]

Pretty much

I cant decide whats better for a tank with that kind of offense. 9k bulk or 3k damage from the get go

If tier 3 ceratos exist in a week then this is pretty much going to follow asap. With all the stun immunity/high resist itll already be at its best at tier 3/4

[turbid trail]

And Isla event

[last pilot]

*nearly impossible isla events

[turbid trail]

Also they will add diabloceratops

[last pilot]

And a certain carnotaurus

Not sure about that carno but im expecting both ceratopsians around this week

Styrac is gonna be fun regardless... unless youre on the recieving side of that instant rampage

[vestal sapphire]

new dino this week?

where do u see it?

[abstract pendant]

This makes me wish Ludia never added something stronger than scorpius gen 3.

[last pilot]

Scorpg3 is like #30 on the nerf list. I won't be surprised if it goes to somewhere near #40 in half a year

[turbid trail]

Scorpius rex g3 is balanced

It can be countered almost with any resilient or any creature with precise attacks

I think troodoboa is good for countering

[vast hill]

Scorp could even be regarded as weak despite being a completely insane game changer 2 years ago

It fell victim to the arms race it started

[turbid trail]

It still can counter rexy, tmet and toro

[vast hill]

Toro isn't in game yet

Also I think rexy could win

[vast hill]

It is now but it used to be a monster

Rexy and tmetro both seem to be capable of winning

[turbid trail]

I meant thoro

[vast hill]

Not so sure since Thor is now resistant to both of scorps main tactics and cleanses distraction

It depends on who does what, Thor can 2 shot scorp if it misplays

[turbid trail]

Are they going to add him?

He should be added

Toro was insanely strong

And aggressive

[vast hill]

A certain carnotaurus from a show is indeed likely coming soon

[vast hill]

I wouldn't say that but surviving being in the center of a massive explosion and then getting pushed off a cliff is pretty impressive

[haughty warren]

Some birds can understand and speak short sentences and a dino bird hybrid wouldn't be too different to Dino's as they are their decendants

Teaching a parrot isn't too different from teaching a child. It just has different vocal cords to us but can kind of mimic words we teach them

[ocean prism]

Birds can’t understand human language, they can mimic it but understanding is a completely different case

The closest thing ik of is teaching great apes sign language but that’s still a long shot from verbal language

[haughty warren]

If they are taught correctly it's possible

Like how would you teach a child to talk. It's pretty much the same thing

[haughty warren]

The only difference is their different vocal cords. They have the ability to understand basic levels of speech although no animal is quite as good as it as humans

Interestingly, birds actually have a better brain structure than humans as the nerves have better connection or surface area or something

[vast hill]

Even if you could teach a bird not only to mimic people but to actually comprehend what it's saying and what others are saying there's no chance indoraptor was taught language skills or even was able to

[ocean prism]

Don’t humans have like special genes and stuff to better understand language and have better communication?

[haughty warren]

Just something I found interesting

[ocean prism]

That’s of similar size tho

[vast hill]

Yeah a parrot doesn't understand the meaning behind "hello" it only knows how to say it

Imagine teaching a child how to say the word "hola" or "bonjour". They don't know what it means just by saying it, they'd have to observe how and when it's used and/or be told what it is

Birds don't have that kind of skill

[haughty warren]

I agreed until this point. Why don't they have the skill?

[haughty warren]

I wasn't saying birds were smarter just that was an interesting fact

[ocean prism]

Also the pallium is involved in spatial awareness and memory formations afaik

So that info doesn’t really matter much

[haughty warren]

What doesn't matter much?

[ocean prism]

https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/why-cant-animals-talk-like-humans.html#:~:text=So%2C obviously%2C the structure couldn,us the ability to talk.

[ocean prism]

Because human speech includes non physical objects and concepts

[haughty warren]

If the human is a good enough teacher, birds can understand most concepts

[ocean prism]

Animals don’t really think of the world in the same way we do, they can’t decide on what they’re gonna do in 2 days or think about the future

[haughty warren]

We are very closely related to apes. What exactly is the difference between us and them that has such a drastic new ability

[ocean prism]

If you give an orange to a chimp and tell it to give a signal to ask for an orange, it will give you the signal and it can understand that fairly well. Start trying to teach it about future plans and it’s a completely different story

[ocean prism]

Our brain

[haughty warren]

It's pretty much the same as an apes

[ocean prism]

No not really

[haughty warren]

Well how then?

[ocean prism]

Even the most minute differences can cause a large change

[ocean prism]

Lemme find the source

[haughty warren]

But why did we evolve all this random stuff just before our species diverged

[ocean prism]

The human brain is about three times as big as the brain of our closest living relative, the chimpanzee. Moreover, a part of the brain called the cerebral cortex – which plays a key role in memory, attention, awareness and thought – contains twice as many cells in humans as the same region in chimpanzees.

[ocean prism]

Not necessarily random. We just evolved larger brains to process more info

Although once you get into the evolutionary path you need a fair bit of speculation

[haughty warren]

Yeah. Our ancestors wouldn't have been under that many evolutionary pressures

But I just don't understand why apes can learn sign language and not an actual language

[ocean prism]

I mean if we did originate from Africa then that’s a different story, not only would the climate be changing (at least from what I remember) we would also be competing with several deadly animals. It also could be that we developed them as a way to further develop our social constructs, homos have always appeared to be social creatures, maybe we developed better brains to build better societies and relationships with each other?

[ocean prism]

Great apes can only learn a modified version of sign language

[haughty warren]

Still some language is possible

[ocean prism]

Again they can’t really plan into the future or reflect on a past in which their species never existed

They can learn about physical objects and symbols for them however

[ocean prism]

That’s probably caused by this info, humans can arguably understand the world around them better than every other animal, and have deeper through processes

[haughty warren]

True but animals have a decent understanding too which can allow for speech however basic

[ocean prism]

That’s fair

[haughty warren]

Also octopi could become very intelligent if they lived longer than 5 years

[ocean prism]

But I think the main question was someone saying they could understand conversational language

“They” being indoraptor

[haughty warren]

They could if they had learned each word which would not be likely

[ocean prism]

Then again human language uses concepts that animals can’t really comprehend, so I think after a long time it would learn basic things but not like basic English

[turbid trail]

He survived falling

[vast hill]

Everyone survives falling when it's convenient

[abstract pendant]

It wasn’t.
The only reason it looks weak is because of insane powercreep.

[half lark]

A big component of the powercreep that SR3 represented was having a potent bleed that wasn't really budgeted into its kit, also shown with Phorurex. They both basically have high-quality kits and good stats and the insane bleed is just tacked on for free.

Then over here you have the Spinosaur family of bleeders and the Swoopers who have really bad stats and bad kits to account for the fact that they have bleed.

So then they had to give everything bleed resist for free

Spinos/Swoopers get chipped away at from both ends, lol.

[abstract pendant]

Also the stun + bleed combo used to be really good since there weren’t as many stun resistant creatures.
Like it made tryko and dio completely unusable.

[pliant flicker]

not defending the other dude but what about antarctovenator

[vast hill]

Antven is not worse than either of those

The real contenders keeping indoraptor out of the bottom of unique are tuora, grypo, smilonemys, and magna

[last pilot]

It's the reason things like gemdeus, coco, dscorp and cerato exist

[last pilot]

And to an extent spinocon

[sharp igloo]

You're heavily underrating Arctoven if you think it's worse than Indo

Pre-phoru nerf it has Shores usage higher than at least 22 other uniques

As of now it's around Poukan/Monolor/Testa level

[turbid trail]

Poukan is good

[vast hill]

It's mid tier, I'd say it and antven are balanced

[last pilot]

In all seriousness i find poukan better than dracov. Even if it will be forced to stall a turn if it manages to survive long

[vast hill]

I've heard it does well

Unfortunately like anything else that isn't at least top 20 it gets written off as mediocre in the face of stuff like atrocod and gem

It's nice against all the meta fierces

[last pilot]

Dracov? Yeah apparently when apexes arent running around

[vast hill]

Even chips off the tanks

[vast hill]

I meant poukand but the same applies to dracovenator

[last pilot]

Yeah ive tried it a long time in a tourney since the last buff. It has the edge over dracov with the counter and decel resist for resilients

Antarc i cant remember but the medium counter buff was very nice

[vast hill]

Antarctovenator used to be a good pick for tournaments

[last pilot]

Andrewtops id also say is in the same tier. Actually giving the burnt dog no escape would make it rise a tier, whatever their placement is

[last pilot]

So was pelta

[vast hill]

Pelta was good after the buff but now the dimodact buff, giga, and pulmono made it fall off