TAKE IT BACK!

[spiral glacier]

This update has a name, and it's called power creep.

Catalysts are crazy expensive requiring a level 25 creature for refusing and a level 30 unique to use it on!

I personally hate this update and want it removed, or just make it less pay to win. We can keep the frog and other stuff but catalysts need to be rebalanced because the only people with enough coins for this is the ones who spend money on the game.

This is worth getting muted for

Get your screenshots while you can guys!

[cinder summit]

we asked for a geminideus nerf not a geminideus powercreep

lets be monitoring the nummber of thumbs up cause thos damn mods like to remove them

[zenith elm]

We really need more ways to get coins right now, just getting the creatures to level 25 for the bronse catalysts are 465k each

[cinder summit]

and you need lvl 30 uniques

[zenith elm]

Not to mention doing the actual combination itself

[cinder summit]

which is really bad for a lot of aviary players

[zenith elm]

That's like levelling it up to level 30 all over again

Even if you are max level and complete all the strike towers and coin chases it'll take you months to get enough creatures to level 25 and start getting catalysts

Not to mention getting the DNA itself

I get it about the legendary ones but who's gonna get an epic to level 25

It will help in tournaments sure, but after you drain it's DNA for catalysts it'll be of no use other than using it in 3 battles every month, that's not a good investment

[earnest canopy]

This is the dna cost for a single creatures catalysts

I calced it, if you average 300 per darting session, you’ll need to dart almost SIX THOUSAND rares

[zenith elm]

Here's some more insane numbers, a full team costs
14,440,000 common/rare
2,888,000 epic
600,000 legendary
13,200 unique
Which turns into hunting
32,089 commons
37,026 rares
7,701 epics
1739 legendaries
Assuming 15 direct hits on every creature

[cinder summit]

and yet somehow ludia thought this was a good idea?

and im wondering how much the coins are

[zenith elm]

Coin is several million each

[cinder summit]

i mean the only people who are gonna be able to use enhancements really are people who have had all of their creatures maxed for years

[sudden marsh]

What an absolutely HORRIBLE TRASH update!!! What's Ludias' play here!? Are they trying to force out their players?

Ludia really crapped on all of us with this update, that's for sure.

[spiral glacier]

This glitch is back

[cinder summit]

Hey guys, isnt it kind of wierd that we have an emoji of the two idiots who gave this a thummbs down?🤡 🤡

[glacial glen]

I know right

[cinder summit]

please explain to me your thought process ( if you have one, which i doubt you have a brain) for you to come to the conclusion that the enhancements are good

[spiral glacier]

How can anyone think enhancements are good?

Even some of the whales hate it

[zenith elm]

It's literally 15 million common dna, 3 million epic, 600k legendary, and millions of coin for a full team, I get the combination of stupid opponents, unlucky team draw, and delusion that leads one to think deus is not strong but this is straight up insane in a way that can't be denied

[cinder summit]

unless the players who say that it deus isnt op are insane which most of them are

[zenith elm]

At least you can make a flimsy argument that in the hands of a bad player in a fierce heavy meta gem isn't that good but this is unacceptable

14,440,000 common dna is more than most players have gotten since 2018, getting that much every 4 months to keep your team up to speed is impossible

These numbers aren't even counting the cost of the actual unique itself, fusion and leveling costs for both hybrid and catalyst ingredient, or boosts

This is purely for a stupid reactive ability like 15% crit chance when the opponent is resilient

There are only a few good ones and they're still not worth a fifth of the cost

[cinder summit]

its only good for the mega whales that have been playing for years

because now no one else will stand a chance against them

[zenith elm]

Even for them the 5 a day limit means it will be months before reactive abilities show up

[merry kraken]

Wait until they nerf things after all those resources have been dumped into a Dino lol.

[frank ermine]

I won't even bother looking at enhancements. Hard enough just levelling and boosting

[cinder summit]

ugh theres three now!?!?

[golden dawn]

I just have to say something cause it's really gross reading some of the comments in a lot of these suggestions. The harassment, bullying, intimidation and name calling to try to get others with varying thoughts is to say silent is unacceptable and for a lack of better words, is disgusting. There's some good comments on this post but the small few here are quickly destroying any chance of a suggestion like this being taken seriously. Just stop with the hateful comments towards other players so that a real discussion can take place here.

[earnest canopy]

Missingno moment

[wary hearth]

Ludias totally not favouring whales at all.

[subtle berry]

The cost to take a dino to lvl 30 is bad enough
Just going from 28 to 30 seems hardly worth it.

[spiral glacier]

Jamdia just doesn’t care for the free to plays

[zenith elm]

We did go too far with those but I feel like this update in particular has made a lot of people upset and these 3 people have said nothing regarding their opinion about this and why they think that way other than a thumbs down

I always just see these people in particular leaving thumbs down on all sorts of posts me and others make even when they're relatively sound suggestion like 15 million dna is too much but they never explain further

[zenith elm]

I would love to know why they think enhancements are fair priced when they are the most expensive system this game has ever had and most reactives are barely worth it but if they don't say anything there's nothing I can do about it

[plain coral]

I was hoping they'd finally let me out of Aviary by making a lot of balance changes in the update but now I'm gonna be stuck there for more than 4 years after already being there for 2 years

honestly with every new update the game gets more boring

[spiral glacier]

They keep leaning towards the pay to wins

Gets boring after the third update that introduces the new broken creatures and features that end up being purchasable in the shop

[wide hamlet]

At the very start I tried to have a conversation, but it became very clear that it wasn't. Instead of respecting an opinion (or a vote), everyone kept repeating the same argument over and over again (e.g. GemD). Felt like talking to kids, so I backed off, but I will continue voting nonetheless.

I don't reply to bullying... Never. Let them show their true colors.

This is the first relatively nice comment I have seen for a while. So I am happy to leave this comment.

I will keep voting and only participating with my perspective in threads that are civil. Yes, there are a few in which I have left comments.

[zenith elm]

I do agree I should have tried to see the other side of the argument but from both my own experiences and flat data I felt that it didn't make much sense to believe gem wasn't strong but there are always different metas in different arenas and how people use a creature effects your experience with it

[wide hamlet]

I have to be honest, I was expecting to be called P2W, troll or something else.

Thank you for that reply, and I have never disagreed that GemD is strong. Easily the strongest dino... I just disagree it should be nerfed.

On the issue discussed in this thread.

We just got the update, I want to see how it settles, if people uses it, etc.

Is it expensive? Yes. But that may be good, otherwise everyone would have a L30 unique with enhancements

Is it easier for P2W people? Yes! But it is expensive. That means to me a lot of whales will not invest in it. The benefits so far do not seem huge.

Personally, I prefer to increase a level. I will only do enhancements when there is nothing else to do.

I am happy that there is something else to do for high level players. As time progresses, there are less and less dinos I want to grow.

And again, thank you for the reply!

[golden dawn]

It's great that you want to hear their opinions but it's easy to see that this in not the safest environment to openly share your thoughts when people are being harrassed for something as simple as a thumbs down. After seeing that, most people would choose to stay quite rather than bebombarded by an angry mob. So I hope you understand why they are not speaking up. It would be really cool if everyone could just show a little more respect for differing opinions, then more people would feel comfortable sharing what they think.
I for one, also don't say much here because of stuff like this even though I am a long time player and this game has very much become a major part of my life. But since my comment was a bit of a sidetrack, I might as well get back on track and contribute to the suggestion.

[zenith elm]

That's fair, I would simply prefer if these things weren't so expensive even the whales don't think it's worth it, we'll see how Ludia decides to respond to this and if they'll do a readjustment like they did with early alliance championships

[golden dawn]

I too am disappointed in the update. However it is nice to see Ludia/Jam City actually make a compromise considering they wanted to do lvl 40 creatures but the community said no and instead we got basically uniques to lvl 32/32.5ish. Very much better than lvl 40. Now to go deeper, the enhancements are wayyyyyyy too overpriced but I see this as both a bad and a good thing at the same time. I feel like anyone that takes a creature all the way to tier 5 of the enhancements track is completely throwing away such a huge amount of resources for a weak ability that might happen in a battle. This actually gives me the upper hand if I use my resources in a way that can strengthen many creatures much more rather than making one slightly better. And really, the only people that can even dream of affording the costs for that are the whales. I'm a mid gryo top 2500 player myself and I don't even often face whales all that much so this is of minor concern to me. I think maybe tier 1 and 2 for the 10% stat boosts may be worth it but going further is like dumping coins and dna directly into the garbage.
Final point: I kinda just wish that Ludia/JamC actually did something good about the insane speed of power creep in this game but they didn't. I wish they would have given the struggling creatures really strong enhancements and the dominanting creatures weak enhancements but instead everything just got kinda weak for tier 5 new abilities. It was a good opportunity that they let slip away.
Apologies for the long book I wrote😅

[queen bobcat]

this part here (Personally, I prefer to increase a level. I will only do enhancements when there is nothing else to do) i absolutly agree with. say you needed to get a dino to 25. but it has a apex afterwards just just more worth it imo

especially if its gemini

[wide hamlet]

Btw, you have the idea of nerfing / balancing multiple dinos. I AGREE with that idea.

I am against nerfing 1 dino... it is a waste of time for the game since each update will bring a "nerf by powercreep" anyway and Ludia does not have a good track record with updates.

I agree with smaller powercreep steps as well (there is always SOME powercreep)

[zenith elm]

I've always been more for the idea that you'd have to nerf a minimum of 10 creatures to actually make change

[queen bobcat]

agreed

then every 6-7 updates

[wide hamlet]

I agree 100% on this

[zenith elm]

For enhancements I think there should be more of an in between price, 14 million common dna is more than most players have gotten since the game began but it should still be expensive enough to feel like a rewarding end game feature

[queen bobcat]

they nerf and buff around 100 or so in that 1 update

gemini and atrco are obvious nerfs

magny is an obvious buff. that thing needs love

its got alot of immunity's yes but thats abt it

but then again. if you face the frog. u lose total immunity so you will have to take on the affect

[queen bobcat]

(you will have around 85 or less resistance after)

[topaz granite]

You have to start somewhere though, but it is clear JWA needs a whole update dedicated to rebalancing creatures.

[queen bobcat]

agreed. it does

[queen bobcat]

this is 1 of my creatures to buff

[zenith elm]

Another problem with the cost of enhancements is you can't refund them at all like you can do with boosts and with how quickly the meta moves on one who can't pay for them would ever be able to grind enough dna to get a reactive in the short window that creature is top tier for, in my opinion the only reason an ftp person should aim for a reactive is on something they're very passionate about and will likely never replace

[spiral glacier]

The coin prices are... well I don't know, I don't have a level 30 unique, but the dna cost is the issue for me since I've heard that 1500 dna gets 40 gold which doesn't seeem like a worthy trade off

[queen bobcat]

truu

[zenith elm]

Recombo also shouldn't cost coin and the catalyst costs either need to be reduced or the amounts we get increased, right now the 2000 gold catalysts needed to get tier 4 would take 50 legendary recombinations with only 3 available a day for free

[wide hamlet]

On this one...

Nerfing GemD. I disagree because I dont see the dino as a big deal. I know many disagree, but I like it where it is.

HOWEVER, I do agree a rebalancing per year or so is required. Perhaps an update around rebalancing a bunch of creatures and nothing more.

The starting point for me is simple... rebalance a group of dinos... Nerfing 1 does nothing and may bring more bugs.

Additionally, nerfing 1 hurts people that use / have invested in the dino. However, rebalancing is easier to "sell" (doesn't hurt a specific group of people / doesn't favor a specific group of people)

[queen bobcat]

but there are the buffs

ill give an example. magny. has alot of immunity's but very basic moves

[zenith elm]

I'd agree with starting off with a group of creatures, either the top of each rarity from epic-apex or the 10 strongest uniques and apexes

If I were to pick the first group I would chose kyrie, indon, atrocod, dscorp, tmetro, rexy, gem, aeno, compsor, dilo, and lycan but that list is entirely subjective

[dawn fjord]

you leave my tmet alone. she is fine. 😉

[spiral glacier]

Tmet is pretty powerful though

Which is probably why you want it to not be nerfed

[dawn fjord]

ture. but also i was making a joke.

[lament cloud]

honestly tmet is in a weird position

imo its defining trait is having a ton of devour heal, but that's also part of why it's so powerful

[cinder summit]

idk, i dont have tmet, tho fought them i think theyre just an expensivew off brand rexy

[slim mantle]

I thought only uniqes can get catalyst

[zenith elm]

If there were to be a total rebalance there's a lot of things indon would have removed but if it were just a minor nerf it would lose devour

[slim mantle]

It should loose it’s counter . That’s what makes him op . damage increase + cloak damage

[zenith elm]

The cloak is still going to give it some huge heals, especially on revenge

Maybe lose bait and 15% devour instead of 30%

[cinder summit]

yeah

[indigo otter]

The only flock that actually does well against it is Compsoraptor lmao it just runs/synergizes away from the others

Even then it runs or swaps from Compso, but its more of a check than the others

[olive surge]

The probably with flocks vs nemys is they can't swap into nemys. Just compso. And the ones that do well h2h. Get within a swap in range when it uses its run ability.

[coral ridge]

This is asinine. Even committing your life to the game, the game would probably die before anyone gets a full T5 team

[indigo otter]

Or one T5 in general

[coral ridge]

Yeah the costs for even one T5 is ridiculous, they need to be decreased by at least 75% to even make sense

Hopefully this will be like the tourney points situation when tourneys were first introduced, ludia will realise that the top tier is unattainable and adjust the numbers

[zenith elm]

I don't think anyone has darted 40,000 rares and if they have ever owned a collective 14 million rare dna it's either in hybrids or will have a large portion of it spent when leveling

[coral ridge]

There’s only 74 rares in game rn, that means that you’d have to have double visual cap for 70/74. The numbers are insane

What’s crazier than the rare is the epic requirement…. 2.88M epic is enough to max 84 epics from L11 to L30

[zenith elm]

You could literally max out 80-90% of each rarity for the cost of 8 tier 5s

There'd be enough for 41/42 of the commons

[dawn fjord]

really want to know who thought of the idea, how much praise they were given for the "great idea" only for it to be the most expensive and seem to be the most hated thing in the game. and most unused feature.

[zenith elm]

They probably wanted to get as much money as they could but went a little bit overboard and now it's barely worth tier 5 even for a whale

[dawn fjord]

the stat gains an extra boost may be attainable and useful for those that want teh .01% advantage. but enhancements will be a barely used feature by the masses, costing them more money to code it in than it generates. could've used those man hours on something else honestly.

[zenith elm]

I'd rather have several full teams worth of level 30 tournament creatures than 15% extra crit on my dilorach

[wary hearth]

I tried to make another one of these take the update back things and i got a post deletion and a 24 hour mute

[wary hearth]

Ludia doesnt like truth

[blazing tapir]

these enhancements are nonsensical, the best are step 1 and 2 and they are the cheapest, then step 3 you get bled dry for 1 speed boost, then step 4 the right to add a 31st boost then step 5 you get a useless ability

step 1 and step 2 at least make some sense, it is basically getting from level 30 to 32.

it is worse than increasing the level cap from 30 to 32 and we all know how most felt about increasing the level cap

you have to wonder what is their thought process at JC's HQs.

[earnest canopy]

I genuinely think this update needs to be rolled back

[olive surge]

There's a few that are far from Useless

[dawn fjord]

too bad they're so exuberantly expensive most will never get there.

[slim mantle]

Enhancements would have been a good thing if
1 . It wouldn’t be too expensive
2 . It wasn’t available for only level 30s
3 . It wouldn’t have a Unnecessary high level to unlock them in the first place

[zenith elm]

I think the level 30 restriction is fine, the level 25 just to make catalysts is too high

Make It 20 and it would be much better

[slim mantle]

But what am I gonna do with enhancements when i can only use them in like three years ?

[zenith elm]

At least lowering the minimum level reduces the dna and coin cost by a lot

It also opens up dozens more creatures for catalyzing

[slim mantle]

That too . There’s no reason for them to be that high to unlock

[zenith elm]

Saves 350k per creature, 2300 legendary, 8250 epic, 23000 rare, and 82500 common

[earnest basalt]

Moneymoneymoney.. oh sry I mean new update to make the game fresh again!

[peak hawk]

It's simply another shameless cash grab aimed at the Pay-to-Win crowd. Most users will never even get the first enhancement but JWA is all about the whales now (and has been since Jam City took over). I'd just accept it and move on. They're not catering to average players anymore.

[gilded edge]

Y not just make a way to get money

Like sanctuaries could be used to make money and only wen u interact/play/ feed the dinosaur u get dna other then tht u get coins???

[runic cloak]

It’s tragic, but this game isn’t really even f2p anymore, almost everything you can do and all the new stuff added just gets an insanely high price tag attached. I miss when this game was simple, back when new creatures were released they weren’t immediately locked behind 99 dollar paywalls

[obtuse hull]

It makes me so annoyed at the amount of effort needed to be a f2p player vrs the little effort needed to just pay for things

Personally things that are paid in my opinion should just be cosmetic