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[summer halo]

Edom and alloraptor don’t really need nerfs. Just use a solid resilient like entelolania for edom, and cunnings beat alloraptor too, since it’s so frail

[covert swallow]

so you think 5000-7000 dmg turn 1 is okay with the resistances?

[summer halo]

Yea because it’s manageable by shields, armor, or a well built Orion

[covert swallow]

i used quetzorion and hydra boa and both got oneshoted and they are lvl 25 and 26 with max boosts possible for that lvl

[summer halo]

You played Orion wrong

You can’t blame edom if you don’t use it’s counters right

[covert swallow]

So what was i supposed to do lol

[summer halo]

Sidestep lol. Get faster and then go invincibility

[covert swallow]

It would be still faster even if i used sidestep

[summer halo]

Then sidestep again.

[covert swallow]

Then i am dead

[summer halo]

You shouldn’t be

You’re also at a level disadvantage there, so there’s that too

In every single case for me, my Orion beats edoms

And I have a relatively slow Orion

[covert swallow]

ye and erlidom is what lvl 21?

[covert swallow]

about alloraptor ye that thing needs 100% nerf

[summer halo]

And here’s my Orion for reference

[summer halo]

Once again, Orion, and then cunnings. Funnily enough edom is a counter lol. Most of the eagles should do well against it, since they have guaranteed dodge, and almost any flock beats it

Both edom and allor have the same issue against flocks

[covert swallow]

i dont remember orion being availableavailable in legendary tourney

[covert swallow]

i am not flock user

[radiant sandal]

This creature is OP because my creatures are underleveled and suck

[summer halo]

Poukaidei, indo g2, eremoceros, monomimus, glyptoceras, and so many more beat it

[covert swallow]

20, 22, 16, 20, 16

[summer halo]

Why are you complaining then

[covert swallow]

dont think that will help against frickin lvl 30 max boosted alloraptor

[summer halo]

That’s just matchmaking. No excuse to nerf the thing

[covert swallow]

so the 3 cooldown move isnt an excuse?

[radiant sandal]

Again, this creature is OP because my creatures are underleveled and suck

[summer halo]

That should be changed, but once again, that’s more incompetence than power

[fathom fractal]

lol indolycan, I'm wondering if it doesnt need a boost instead of nerf xD

[covert swallow]

"oh no alloraptor has 3 cooldown move guess i just suck and it does not need nerf"

[summer halo]

What even is this argument

[fathom fractal]

Maybe a break shield counter or a fierce attack

[covert swallow]

its weaker than its component ye but you never know

[summer halo]

Literally all the devs need to do is switch its cleaning rampage to a cleansing strike, then just swap positions with the current strike

It’s not that hard, and it’s not even an issue

[covert swallow]

its called nerf

[summer halo]

No, it’s called fixing a bugged kit. I doubt anyone actually uses cleansing rampage for damage anyway

[covert swallow]

10 prevent immun, 50 dmg reduce, 50% vulner, 100% speed decrese, so bleeders go brrr

[summer halo]

It has 3300 hp… it’s like a piece of paper

[covert swallow]

if oppponent goes for bleed or any other reduce then they go for clearence

[covert swallow]

but when it cuts you it hurts like hell

paper can also make people bleed

[summer halo]

Then dodge the cuts. Its not that hard

[summer halo]

But alloraptor cannot

I hate the “just get a counter” argument, but you genuinely need it. Alloraptor and edom both are balanced and have plenty of ways to dispatch them.

[covert swallow]

so 50% crit chance with dmg increase for erlidom and no 0 cooldown + both swap in and on escape for alloraptor is balanced? ye they both needed buff BUT NOT THIS

[tired venture]

where is compsoraptor?

[covert swallow]

in grave

[tired venture]

compsorat also needs a nerf

[covert swallow]

it will probably get nerfed if its counters get nerfed

[tired venture]

where is atrocodistis?

[summer halo]

You flash anything with armor at edom and it perishes. I literally use an epic as one of my 3 edom counters. I listed probably 10 things that you can use to counter alloraptor, but there’s probably EVEN MORE.

[tired venture]

where is pteranokyrie?

[covert swallow]

i mean isnt pyrorixis the bigger issue from these 2?

[round axle]

🗿

[tired venture]

atrocodistis is more broken

its cringe and broken

[covert swallow]

eh which part

[tired venture]

and the kyrie too

[radiant sandal]

Pyrix does a ton of damage and then dies, Atroco sticks around forever

[covert swallow]

and all 10 things will be underleveled compared to lvl 30 max boosted allo

[covert swallow]

oh ye that flying death

[summer halo]

Like I said, that’s not alloraptors issue, it’s matchmaking. Bad matchmaking isn’t an excuse to gut a creature because you don’t like it

[tired venture]

lystrosavis is missing to

all the flocks

need a nerf

[covert swallow]

swap in on escape and no 0 cooldown move is kinda too much

[summer halo]

Not all lol

[covert swallow]

not all flocks

[tired venture]

the mayority

but they are so cringe tbh

[summer halo]

Literally every new dino has the first 2

[covert swallow]

every?

[summer halo]

I also provided my opinion on the no strike issue for alloraptor. You’re just restating arguments I’ve disproven

[round axle]

Atroco has swap in counter attack

[covert swallow]

does every new creature also have DAMAGING swap in and on escape?

[summer halo]

Basically yea.

[tired venture]

allo doesnt need a nerf

[summer halo]

I dunno. There’s fair odds. Either way, if it doesn’t have a swap in, it has a counter. It’s basically the same thing

[round axle]

Never did

[covert swallow]

it also never needed buff

[summer halo]

Yes it did lol

[covert swallow]

did it need to became pain in the back part?

[round axle]

It desperately needed one even if it was the wrong way to buff it

[covert swallow]

it needed buff but not frickin this

[summer halo]

It’s not even bad, but I do think they did the buff wrong

[covert swallow]

i saw the clown face

haha very funny now nerf alloraptor

[summer halo]

Nah

[tired venture]

I recommend you to stop complaining about a thing that doesnt need a nerf

[round axle]

What do you expect when your reason is you fought a level 30

[covert swallow]

so you want a creature with no 0 cooldown move that hits like a train?

[summer halo]

I think you need to just play the game. Get your stuff up. If you have level 30 counters (which there are a TON of counters) and still have issues, THEN you can complain about alloraptor

[tired venture]

because if you follow like this youre going to frustrate yourself and not getting anything

enjoy the game, even if the game its down bad

[covert swallow]

how can i enjoy getting destroyed by lvl 30s with max boosts

[summer halo]

I listed 5 off meta, non-flock counters here, and there are a lot more.

[round axle]

Not even close to that because of how frail it is and how weak it is to flocks, and even spinoceratops and PB. Rexy also just goes impact and then roar or can just 45% crit with roar if it's set up because they always crit anyway so

[round axle]

Next up on the list must be indoraptor gen 1 in that case?

[covert swallow]

not really

[round axle]

[covert swallow]

its still pretty bad even after the buff

[summer halo]

But theyre everywhere at level 30, and probably will destroy you too

[round axle]

At least there's something you realized

[covert swallow]

seen many lvl 30 indoraptors live and die

[summer halo]

And I’ve seen many level 30 edoms live and die

[round axle]

I've seen many level 30 alloraptors in legendary live and die

[covert swallow]

before or after it got buff

[round axle]

Both

[summer halo]

I beat level 30 alloraptors with my off meta, level 20ish legendary tourney team. Both before and after buff

[round axle]

My point being after so why even ask that

[gaunt dirge]

Flocks:
Invincibility:
Nullify:
Removing cloak:
Nullify:
Just killing it outright because Erlidom is built like dry Spaghetti:

[covert swallow]

invicibility isnt turn 1 move long invicibility is and i dont think erlidom will just wait 1 turn for my resilient to get shield on

[gaunt dirge]

daryx and alanky exist

[radiant sandal]

Have you tried leveling your Orion? That might help you out

[covert swallow]

no dna? :ohh:

[gaunt dirge]

its orion its not hard

[covert swallow]

no coins? :ohh:

[gaunt dirge]

sounds like a you problem

[round axle]

No more things to complain about? :ohh:

[radiant sandal]

your lack of dna and coins shouldn't be the reason why you think Erlidom should be nerfed lmao

[summer halo]

Then actually play the game, like I said. :ohh:

[gaunt dirge]

its like saying Velociraptor needs a nerf because a megaboosted lvl 30 beat your lvl 13 bumpy

[covert swallow]

i am literally playing the game every day wdym "then actually play the game"

[gaunt dirge]

orion isnt hard to get

[round axle]

Hunt

[covert swallow]

i dont remember seeing pteranodon in my area

[gaunt dirge]

tracker

[summer halo]

Sure doesn’t sound like it tbh. You complain about coins, but you can get over 20k a day, depending on your level

[radiant sandal]

then use the tracker and go find it

[summer halo]

Then go find it lol

[covert swallow]

where? in nests?

[gaunt dirge]

just because you're low leveled doesn't make the enemy creature OP btw

[summer halo]

Airport, zone 3

[round axle]

Its a local 3 anytime spawn

[gaunt dirge]

it just means you're lower leveled

[covert swallow]

do i look like i am in local 3?

[summer halo]

Use your feet

[gaunt dirge]

thats the dumbest rebuttal ever

[round axle]

It doesn't look like anything when we don't even know what local you're in

[summer halo]

Touch grass. The whole point of the game lol

[gaunt dirge]

i walk and hunt at night all the time its fun

[summer halo]

Vena grinded spyx in like 3 days

[gaunt dirge]

and this person's upset at the fact their low level loses to a higher level Erlidom by their own mistakes

[radiant sandal]

damn that's impressive

[summer halo]

Right?

[radiant sandal]

I wish I had time like that

[gaunt dirge]

by the time i got spyx my account was only 2 weeks old i hunt like crazy

[covert swallow]

the only mistake i did is that i ever downloaded this stupid p2w game

[summer halo]

Then uninstall

[radiant sandal]

then delete it and quit

[gaunt dirge]

then undo the mistake

[covert swallow]

cant return time

[radiant sandal]

I don't understand why people keep playing games they hate LMAO

[summer halo]

Better start now

[gaunt dirge]

then make time by uninstalling

[radiant sandal]

I played Pokemon Unite for a year and finally called it quits a month ago

[covert swallow]

there is a difference between hating the game and the stupidly op things in it

[round axle]

Think it shifted to it now after the "my lower level Dinos lost to higher levels and boosts without using strategy" part diminishes

[gaunt dirge]

i feel like the only issue you have is the lack of levels and proper playing

erlidom is such a non-issue how do you think its OP

alloraptor isn't op

its stupidly annoying now but its not OP

[radiant sandal]

I might bring my Erlidom on in place of Trebax

[round axle]

Like Dreadac has always been. Annoying but not OP

[gaunt dirge]

i just boosted my Spyx's damage a bit and bam Erlidom is a midnight snack

[covert swallow]

fast af, deals alot of dmg, alot of immunities

[gaunt dirge]

just outright easy to face

[covert swallow]

for you

[gaunt dirge]

Erlidom is built like an actual paperclip

[covert swallow]

paper can cause you to bleed

[gaunt dirge]

if you can't take it down thats on you

[summer halo]

She said paper clip

[round axle]

🧂

[summer halo]

You also aren’t going to die from a paper cut

[covert swallow]

if it is small papercut then no

[summer halo]

Then why use that as an argument

Multiple times even

[covert swallow]

because erlidom is paper that cuts you once or twice and you die

[gaunt dirge]

you can block its attacks in many ways

its a straightforward attack

no precision, shattering, bypass, nothing.

[summer halo]

Think of erlidom as a strong gust of wind

Deadly if left unmanaged, but when facing a wall, it just bounces off

[gaunt dirge]

its like using an RPG to fight mechs with machine gun arms

[covert swallow]

i know that why i did go for long invis, and then i got oneshoted with its ferocity move

[summer halo]

Because you didn’t use sidestep?

[round axle]

You didn't believe in the baby rhinos 👶🦏

Gotta believe in the baby rhinos 👶🦏

[covert swallow]

no idea why you started talking about baby rhinos but anyway what about the rest of the list

[round axle]

No idea why you started thinking erlidom and alloraptor and to some extent Pyrorixis were nerf-worthy and still do, but anyway what about Indoraptor g1

[summer halo]

Too op. Needs 100 base attack

[covert swallow]

you think it needs nerf?

[round axle]

No not me.

[summer halo]

The real question is thor

[covert swallow]

indoraptor has 2 immun and 1 rest 100 and 75, crit, stun and reduce dmg

[summer halo]

If you complain about edom while using Orion, you better have complaints about Thor

[covert swallow]

not really op if it had disarm or healing move with counter or on escapoe it would be bigger issue

[summer halo]

You don’t deserve to be an Orion user

[covert swallow]

i mean you can stun and bleed thor if it does not use destroyer or if you use bleed and stun after

[summer halo]

So you can never stun or bleed Thor

[round axle]

If an armor piercing and shield breaking dinosaur had disarm it would make it 500 times better

[covert swallow]

i use it bc i like it and im not going to ask anyone for permission

[round axle]

OK and that's fine. But it's how you use it

[summer halo]

You can decelerate and make edom vulnerable. You can also completely block it with invincibility

Personally I think Thor is WAY bigger of an issue than edom

Thors supposed counters aren’t even reliable most of the time

[covert swallow]

erlidom: 50% crit, with ferocious impact 5 immunities

[summer halo]

Invincibility:

[covert swallow]

crit, bleed, dmg, stun swap prevent

[covert swallow]

delay 1:

[summer halo]

Orion:

[covert swallow]

speed:

[summer halo]

Swap ins:

[summer halo]

Woah there’s this crazy thing called sidestep

[covert swallow]

distracting sidestep* "you dont deserve to be orion user" 🤓

[summer halo]

Cause you really don’t. Losing to edom with Orion in a 1v1 is really sad.

[covert swallow]

it was 5 lvls higher, faster and max boosted

[round axle]

"I used long invincibility with Orion and died" - 🤓

[summer halo]

Especially since you claimed yours was max boosted for its level

[summer halo]

Literally just sidestep twice

[covert swallow]

with my luck erlidom bypasses dodge

[summer halo]

That’s not even how sidestep works

And trust me, you don’t get to complain about luck here

[covert swallow]

even if i did use ds how are you so sure that it will last more than 2 turns

[summer halo]

You claim your Orion was max boosted, I’d expect a good Orion build to at least have SOME hp. That first impact would’ve only done around 2.2k, even with the crit

[covert swallow]

4867 1904 146

[summer halo]

And how fast was the edom

[covert swallow]

dont remember since i never knew someone would complain and say that it isnt op

[summer halo]

I doubt you would’ve been slower after one sidestep

A single sidestep gets your Orion to 160 speed

[covert swallow]

i hate this bot -_-

[summer halo]

Absolute L

[covert swallow]

" don't send the same message over and over again! :ANGRY6:" the what

[summer halo]

Then don’t send the same message over and over again

[covert swallow]

i neved did

[summer halo]

I don’t believe you

[covert swallow]

i literally wanted to send how the battle ended up on toolbox

[summer halo]

If Orion lost, you did it wrong

[covert swallow]

used my orion against base lvl 30 erlidom and lost every time EVEN WITH DS

[summer halo]

I’ll test it myself then

[covert swallow]

dodge lasts 1 turn

[summer halo]

You said a base level 30 edom correct?

[covert swallow]

rampage does not do enough dmg for erlidom to die

[summer halo]

No boosts at all?

[covert swallow]

its left with around 500hp

[covert swallow]

i tested it against base lvl 30 on toolbox no idea what boosts it had in pvp

oh ye i forgot to give erlidom some speed

[summer halo]

Against base, your Orion literally takes 0 damage

[covert swallow]

that erlidom would have to be lvl 30, have more than 5 dmg boosts and have more than 8 speed boosts for me to get oneshoted with the stats i have

[radiant sandal]

ah so you didn't expect to get counter argued by someone with a brain, gotcha

[summer halo]

This is the build, considering if it was max boosted and had all leftover boosts in speed

As you can see, it’s slower than 160 speed, meaning you only needed one Orion sidestep. You win this fight

[covert swallow]

quetzorion dies turn 2

[summer halo]

No it doesn’t. I’ll prove it

[radiant sandal]

not if you throw LI up

[summer halo]

Give me a few to do the battle.

I forgot 2 speed boosts in edom, but either way you’re still faster after one sidestep

[covert swallow]

gave erlidom 10 dmg boosts and 8 speed

[radiant sandal]

You should never start attacking Erlidom without the shield up 🤦‍♂️

[summer halo]

1 sec, screenshotting my results. (Spoiler: Orion wins)

[supple isle]

You're literally playing bad and then calling erlidom op 💀

[covert swallow]

thats why i was trying to get LONG INVICIBILITY FIRST

[radiant sandal]

no you weren't lmao

[covert swallow]

in the pvp i did

[supple isle]

How about this, don't long invinc till you're faster by spamming sidestep

[summer halo]

wow look at that. orion won

and had 1700 hp left too. even if edom saves the rampage til after invincibility, youre left with at least 800 hp

[covert swallow]

wow look you never told me to use long invis after sidestep no wonder yours won

[summer halo]

b r o

do you even know why orion has sidestep in the first place

[radiant sandal]

he shouldn't have to 😂 you should know that as an Orion user

[supple isle]

It takes 3 braincells to figure out that you should probably shield instead of attacking and getting oneshot

[covert swallow]

as an orion user i never met erlidom after it got buff

[covert swallow]

i have 2 braincells but ok

[summer halo]

orions matchup vs edom never really changed pre or post buff

[supple isle]

thats not really something to be proud off

[summer halo]

it just takes more damage post buff...

either way, youre most likely gonna end up sidestepping once

[radiant sandal]

ah no wonder

[summer halo]

thats like the basic of basics

[radiant sandal]

I don't even use Orion and I know that lmao

[covert swallow]

and you are in gyro or something

with almoast max lvls

[radiant sandal]

that's true lol

[summer halo]

i admit, orion is a complex creature at times, and i discover new ways to use it all the time, but orion vs edom is literally the most basic of basic matchups in unique tier

[supple isle]

what does that have to do with anything

[radiant sandal]

it doesn't XD

they're just scraping the bottom of the barrel for something to use

[summer halo]

all imma say is that the edom user was probably surprised, but wasnt complaining

[covert swallow]

the only thing i want to use is knife to kill my self

[supple isle]

man

[summer halo]

And that is probably against server rules lol

[covert swallow]

anyway what about the rest of the list

[summer halo]

We already said they seemed fine ish. Don’t divert the convo lol

[gloomy lion]

💀 calm down, like srsly

[covert swallow]

i dont remember us talking about the rest only about how "alloraptor does not need nerf" and "erlidom isnt op" and now i dont want to hear about them i want to know what people think about the rest of the list

[supple isle]

"I am losing an argument, i will now threaten myself to change the topic and make it seem like I wasnt making horrible arguments"

[covert swallow]

the convo was about nerfs not about how to use quetzorion to defeat erlidom

[covert swallow]

you want to know something ye i do hate my self and i hate the past me and now i hate the present me thanks now lets talk about the rest of the list

[radiant sandal]

it had to divert itself to that because it became clear you didn't know what you were doing, which is why you're asking for nerfs

[tired venture]

bro you sound like a 12 old that believes that hes depressed tbh

[gloomy lion]

Nah nah nah stop 🛑. Everything going alright?

[covert swallow]

i kinda am bc theres pressure from every side, school, internet, work this game, insta, parents

[supple isle]

exactly lmao 💀

[summer halo]

You were complaining about nerfs, we found the real reason why you wanted the nerfs. We helped solve that, and you basically ignore us

[covert swallow]

if i want to end one part it means i accepted my mistake now i want to know about the rest of the list, i personally dont think tyrannometrodon needs nerf but who knows

[summer halo]

Any of the fierce with high acceleration need a nerf

[tired venture]

well try and go outside or do something else instead of writing in a discord server of a decaying game to tell people what dinosaurs in a game need a nerf or no

I think that this doesnt benefits you in any way tbh

however its my opinion

[covert swallow]

go outside with who, my father goes to work so not every time i can go out with him and when we do go out he just drinks beer and i drink Coca-Cola, i dont have any friends in this stupid hole of a city i live in everyone or most people i know lives outside this city i had to go to another school bc of some stupid rules they had on these schools in this city

[tired venture]

you could go outside alone, you dont need to go outside with someone else

[covert swallow]

the only think i enjoyed was playing games watching vids and drawing and now i dont enjoy playing games that much

[tired venture]

Ah, so dont play them, they are going to ruin your mental health, and your mentality I think, the best that you could do in that position is to stop maybe playing video games for a long period of time and try to do some exercise idk man

[covert swallow]

how in the blue hell did this chat change from nerfs to therapy

[tired venture]

idk xd

[radiant sandal]

because you decided to say things that made someone else concerned

[covert swallow]

atleast someone cares about me most of the time nobody really cares and i feel like i will delete this chat

"did you tell someone about these things" no i did not bc then i will sound like someone who wants attention and now it sounds like i want attention but i dont

[tired venture]

bro dont say that nobody cares about you, well, and if that its true, it doesnt care, your life is yours bro, you dont need anyone to spend your life with, you have to learn by yourself how to improve your life and how to move forward

that its what life its about I think

[covert swallow]

i will delete this chat in 4min and pretend like this chat was never created

what can i say life is hard and it will always be hard fists can hit hard but depression hits like a train especially when people bully you and hate you and dont want to talk to you bc you are just different

[tired venture]

life is supposed to be hard

its not supposed to be easy,

[covert swallow]

it was never meant to be

[tired venture]

trust me

that yes

[covert swallow]

ill try and remember what to do when i meet max lvl boosted erlidom

ok so it looks like i cant delete this chat

[gaunt dirge]

yes

[covert swallow]

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