Do NOT increase dinosaur level cap to **40**

[knotty rapids]

It's been known that next update will bring us a player level increase (20 to 30) and the worst part, a level increase for dinosaurs from 30 to 40.

This means both pvp and tournament will get more toxic. Since it's gonna be way too whale biased.

This also means whales will have at disposal PLUS 10 EXTRA BUFFS. Which means they can get creature builds like 0/20/20. Or 10/20/10. Which is gonna be a pain for free to play players.

This whole idea should be trashed, since won't be fair, mostly because the coins F2P and whales access to, if it takes around one million to get a dino from 21 to 30, how expensive would be taking it from 30 to 40? One billion?

Ok, as I said, player cap will increase, from 20 to 30, but having in mind daily a level 20 user gets around 22k coins, doing some math, a level 30 will get around 35k daily.

Is still not worth it, unless they whole remove the coin limit and increase the awarded coins.

So please, just begging, if the dino level cap is added, it will mean a no return point. A lot of people will leave, because if PvP and tourney is toxic af due to not balanced creatures and Flocks, level 40 of those things will make things not funny for people who can't afford it.

[wraith zealot]

I totally agree, but why do u think this will happen next update?

[knotty rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/flood-pipe-gif-20209978

Can't properly said it, but that's why

[molten glade]

Dino level cap should be higher

[knotty rapids]

Are you willing to pay billion coins?

[wraith zealot]

No it definitely shouldn’t

[molten glade]

The main problem isnt level its the fact that you can bring certain rarities into pvp and such where they don't belong

[knotty rapids]

Because people like said animals

[meager quest]

The level 40 situation is likely to make me quit the game or just never spend another dollar. And I have been playing since 2019 am an officer in one of the best alliances on the planet and I am a top tier tourney player

I have spent a lot of money on the game

It is change none of us want

[molten glade]

And increase the dino level won't make that any worse then it already is

[knotty rapids]

yes it will LOL

If your max level is 20 and rather than finding level 30 peep you find level 40, isn't it gonna be worse?

[molten glade]

Not really since its a loss regardless

[wraith zealot]

No, the problem is that certain Dinosaurs are dominating the meta and don’t give other dinos even a chance to be used. And a level increase won’t change that… it will make it worse, cause those dinos can have even more unfair boost and leveling up dinos will be just more pain in the ass, cause it u would have to play like 10years to get to this, or u have to pay thousands of dollars…

[knotty rapids]

And if ludia keeps the way for balancing NEW hybrids. It's gonna be a mess

If anything is gonna have a extreme raise, should be coin limit AND PLAYER level NOT dino level

[molten glade]

In that regard yes but thats just how games work you can't not have meta dinos the best way to counter that is just have level 40s vs level 40s

[knotty rapids]

let's say level 40 for players and 30 for animals

[knotty rapids]

easy fix, don't increase level cap

At least that way you can do a 1-3, rather than 0-3 against that meta monster

[molten glade]

Why not? It would give the game more progress instead of just horading dna and coin for months

[knotty rapids]

That's not progress, that's pay to win.

Do you know how many months take to bring a dino to 21 to 30?

[wraith zealot]

I know… I have Indoraptor since one year, and it’s still only level 26

And I’m active every day since I got the game

[hot plinth]

I really hope not.

It’ll be an absolute pain to max something out, even if ATLEAST upgrade/fuse cost is halved and DNA per Dart is doubled

[knotty rapids]

it's probably coming next update unless something is done regarding it.

If it ever comes in an update, as said, it will be a no return point, since they won't be able to remove it

[wraith zealot]

So, to avoid this, lets all like this comment, so the developers will see, how many players don´t want this to happen

[meager quest]

They will lose customers over this. The decision they have to make is how important is their current customer base and do they think new people have the same or equal spending potential

If they are newer to the game it is no big deal but if you are like me and have say 25-35 dinos at 29 and work to build super well rounded max boosted tourney teams of all rarities this is a slap in the face

You will see people building max boosted level 40 dinos that sweep entire teams whenever they are drawn

It will inevitably ruin the game

[wraith zealot]

It´s also one for me, and i´m not that good... i just think it would ruin the game

[meager quest]

It will instantly annoy about 90% of their player base

No one in my alliance wants it and I can guarantee we spend top 10 out of any alliance on average

[wraith zealot]

And ant least 33% of them would quit... I don´t anyone will quit because they dont have lvl 40

[meager quest]

Exactly

Yes we will see many many people quit the game over this or just stop spending or playing seriously

I will 100% stop spending if they do this and just see where things go, but this will be certain that I will no longer be a paying customer

They may find new people who will be up for it but whatever business presentation that is telling them to do this I can promise it will backfire. Their sales and marketing team is desperate to win, so they will do anything to grab for cash and then when it fails they will just go to the next company leaving the developers of this game out in the cold. It happens all the time in tech and startups

Poor sales and marketing decisions and cash grabs ruin companies every day

[mighty temple]

Also apexes like imperato or any future raid bosses would take probably close to a decade to max without buying incubators every few days in the shop, not to mention the very likely possiblity of 2 new rarities

[meager quest]

Yea this is heartbreaking for their loyal customers but I really think they are myopic enough to make this decision

[mighty temple]

Could you imagine a refren and imperato hybrid that then gets fused with anky lux with shield,heal,ferocity, distraction and bleed in the same priority impact

[meager quest]

Right, the point is they need to have some limits and have some integrity. The game has always been capped at 30 and this will inevitably backfire. It could be that they are preparing for the end of the game because google map support is ending and they cant spend enough to re-code the entire game

So they will hatch a plan to try to get as many sales as possible until the final date of the game

[mighty temple]

Maybe at least something like JWTG where they only increased the level cap above 40 for the bosses rather than allowing everything to go above 40

[lavish walrus]

Yes they very much shouldn't increase the level cap

[wraith zealot]

Ther are some not boss dinos that go over the lvl 40 cap

[lavish walrus]

Because they need to be able to keep up with the player in World game

So the AI might give you a level 687 Stegoceratops to keep up with your Level 40 Indo

[wraith zealot]

This sounds painfull. might be even stronger than Indoraptor lvl 40

[polar nest]

this decision will kill their game

even if done right with some sort of token, it will still be marketed and edibility be p2w. ruining most f2p players experiences

[tacit pebble]

I have really no problem with player level going up cause that don’t really mean a hell of beans but creatures shouldn’t go higher than 30.

[polar nest]

theres no need for it, they think it will influence sales when in reality it will drive them down

people don't have the money for something like this and people who don't spend wont really have a point in playing

but yeah player level do that, more dna is more dna and with all these exclusives we need it

[foggy zinc]

No

[sonic breach]

Can't wait to grind out 5000 DNA and several million coin for my Albertocevia to get it from lvl 39 to 40.

[mighty temple]

I think it has to be a token or something similar

Otherwise it would be literally impossible to level a common to level 40

Could end up being like the boost tokens where they never show up or are literally only offered if you pay for a pass or in the store

[polar nest]

tbh

if its the same as reset tokens the update would be pointless

which would be cool

[mighty temple]

If it ends up taking several months of DNA and coin grinding to get one level on a creature that will probably be useless by the time I can afford it I would either quit the game or just go casual and only play for my alliance

[sonic breach]

If lvls 31-40 use the same level up system as 1-30 it would take several years for an F2P player to get a maxed team.

[slate acorn]

no for multiple reasons... If someone is fighting with level 40's they will naturally climb higher which means less of a chance someone with level 20's will get matched against them, but also, if your only playing with level 20's, you wouldnt be winning against level 30's anyway, so its not like them being higher level would be any worse... The fact of the matter is that if you are playing against opponents that high level, you are probably higher in the arena than you should be based on your teams level, and only skill is keeping you in place... Work on your team instead of complaining man.

[knotty rapids]

It was a weird example, but it's actually possible to defeat a level 30 tho

My whole team consists on few apex at 30 and other ones (like indotaurus)

But somehow if they raise the level cap, building an apex will take years, unless i pay :)

[slate acorn]

fair enough, my team is a full unique team with my tryko, thor, and indoraptor being 30, and all my others being 25-28... I grind 1 at a time to 30 and move on to the next:P

i dont necessarily hate the idea as it does extend the late game considerably, however, it would be a massive grind...

[knotty rapids]

Right now, from 21 to 30 takes one million coin, and if we do some escalative math, from 30 to 40, and having in mind you're level 30 getting around 35k coins per day.

You'd take 2 months and half, free to play way

And building an apex from 30 to 40 would take around 16 months

[slate acorn]

nothing wrong with that, its a reward for players who put in the effort... and so what if people pay to win, they will graduate up the arena and be out of our hair, and lets be honest, games like this need income to keep going and developing new content, pay to win is a necessary evil so we can all enjoy the game... I don't do it myself, but i dont hate people who do.

*also still working on unlocking my first apex:P

[knotty rapids]

Is not a good change

[slate acorn]

i disagree, the game lacks endgame content, so unless they are adding more features to the game, extending the level cap is a natural way to keep the game interesting...

which is cheaper/easier for the company to do? obviously the level cap...

im not saying they shouldnt make more content (game modes, and what not), but from a developers standpoint i get it...

[knotty rapids]

Re did the math for apex.

From 30 to 40, would need 10k DNA

Let's consider you get 20 per takedown, 4 times per month. 80 per month

10550/80= 132 months

10 years of grind for a level 40 apex free to play

[mighty temple]

The issue is it makes the late game exclusive to people who can pay

[slate acorn]

that sounds like more of an issue of availablility than anything else... to be fair apexes should be a slow hard grind compared to uniques, but at the same time, that is too slow...

[mighty temple]

Take Dilorach for example. Relatively easy to fuse, for a free to play player it wasn't so hard to level right up to 30. In 2.17, dilorach was arguably top 5 in the game. Less than 2 updates later, it's already slipping. Now imagine in order to make use of it in that short 2 month time gap you must level it to 40. It's impossible to do it before dilorach becomes trash

[knotty rapids]

*without paying

[mighty temple]

Yeah

[knotty rapids]

And that's the main problem

Game can't have such biasism for whales. And ||if you look up for the leaks it gets even worse because there will be REAL MONEY PAID level coin discounts||

[meager quest]

The issue some of you seem to be missing is that there are people who have played this game for years and have many things at 30 already. This is a drastic change in the rules and landscape of the game. It also is going to flop because many of the people who have been this dedicated to the game to get dozens of creatures to 30 are going to leave when all their hard work is disrupted and all of a sudden you have people running around with a team of level 30s and ONE level 40 they payed like $1,000 for killing every element of fairness and balance this game has had for the years it has existed

[knotty rapids]

Also the boosts, let's have in mind it's one boost per level. If balance lacked with 30 boosts, imagine with extra ten more

[meager quest]

It is all going to be about who can spend the most. There are people who have been playing in the arena together for literally years

If one of them is richer then that one rises to the top, totally killing the fairness and integrity of the game

[mighty temple]

That's true, but 1. Not everyone who's played the game for years, even since launch, could afford to get these level 40s at the pace required for the modern meta, and 2. New players are locked out of late arenas forever

[slate acorn]

these same issues exist now, in general your average player is not one of those whales who will spend thousands to get ahead, and think of the pricetag to get a level 40... your making an issue out of something that wont be an issue... if bill gates wanted to, he could, but your average joe isnt gonna be able to... pay to win has its limitations...

[meager quest]

There are many people who pay huge sums to get their dinosaurs to 30 as soon as they come out

[slate acorn]

now the thing is if they are raising player level cap along with the level cap for dinos, that means potentially more gold from incubators and supply drops, more dna, and what not, and if they made it so you also got more dna from raids, that would be a bit better...

[meager quest]

That will only continue

[slate acorn]

yes, but level 30 is a drop in the bucket compared to level 40...

scale man, scale is the issue...

[meager quest]

It will just be a new ceiling

[slate acorn]

even these whales have a finite amount of money they can spend, and when they are out, they are out...

[meager quest]

It won’t change how some people just spend whatever it takes

There are many people who spend whatever it takes do you really think it is good to have 10 people with deep pockets at the top of this game with no one able to compete with them ever because they lack the $?

The game will be a total joke

[slate acorn]

let them have the top, no one will respect them... if its not already that way now, whats the difference?

[meager quest]

You can beat these people now. But when they race to 40 with thousands of dollars in purchases while the rest of us are barely at 32-35 just watch what will happen

So a game with champions no one respects hmmm no thanks

[slate acorn]

you will still beat them because people who pay for wins dont rely on skill and hard work to get them there:P

[meager quest]

I will quit the game and so will most of the other core customers

That is not the case

[slate acorn]

now, what if it was a gradual increase over time to allow players to keep up and avoid the issue of a 10 level cap increase causing chaos? would that be better?

[meager quest]

IDGT (best player in this game) is extremely skilled and he also hunts, FIPs and yes, spends to get all the new things max to 30 and fully boosted

And there are dozens of other people like him

[slate acorn]

i hate to say it so bluntly but its most likely gonna happen at some point, but i think if they increased it 1-2 levels a patch over time it would be a little better...

[meager quest]

They should not increase the creature cap at all. It is like if all of a sudden the NBA started letting shots from behind the half court line be worth 4 points. The entire game would change. The players and fans would leave. That is what will be happening here. I promise.

[slate acorn]

in general its been my experience that players don't leave like that... they talk a big game, but the sunk cost always brings them back...

[meager quest]

This is going to be different it happened before in this game

[slate acorn]

the stat boosts?

[meager quest]

It lost a huge base of players before

Yes

[slate acorn]

yeah that was about when i stopped playing for about a year or so:P

[meager quest]

Exactly

[slate acorn]

i came back eventually

[meager quest]

This is even more drastic

And many many other players slowly trickled away

[slate acorn]

im just saying, from an income perspective, they will most likely do it, but there are ways they can mitigate the fallout

[meager quest]

Die hard players stayed but they are going to kill their core customers

We are the ones who help others in our alliance and make them into paying customers

And motivate them to want to win and be champions

I think they will do it and I think the game will lose all of its integrity

They are already making it heavily leaned towards p2W

It needs some level of fairness and balance.

[knotty rapids]

people won't return this time lol

because the grind would be even worse

[lavish walrus]

Raising the creature level cap will legit cause people to leave the game

Especially if they keep up the dna and coin cost taxes with each level up

[runic cloak]

Thor can have a 0/20/20 build and then just one shot everything. It’s not fair whatsoever

[meager quest]

Its going to be a joke

[runic cloak]

I just got my first level 30 5 months ago, and I’ve been playing since January 2019. I don’t want my progress undone

[meager quest]

Exactly lots of others like you too

For me I have like 15 30s and 20 29s

I work on a lot of projects at once

This basically means people will build huge speed thors and huge flocks and the game will have zero balance

Whoever spends the most wins

It is a total slap in the face and they need to be ready to lose about 1/4 of their paying player base on day one

[runic cloak]

If I remember correctly, each level increases hp and attack by 5%. This means that a level 40 max attack Thor would have the ability to deal 9742 damage on a crit impact….

[meager quest]

I will be forced to play casually and cancel VIP and never spend another dime on this game when I spend a good chunk monthly

[runic cloak]

I haven’t spent a dime on this game and unless there’s a skin I REALLY like, I don’t plan to

[meager quest]

I have spent thousands

[runic cloak]

Man I feel bad

[mighty mountain]

i’ve been playing this game since around 2019. it’s taken me this long to only get TWO level 30 dino’s, and it’s Thor and Indoraptor… sorry, but i can’t spend another 2+ years trying to advance 10 more levels when by the time i get there, the creature becomes obsolete due to frequent meta changes

[knotty rapids]

I'd like to remind this for people who like to use Apexes

[lavish walrus]

This is exactly why we don’t want a level cap increase. The game will be even more unfair, and the extreme coin costs will mean the players that pay the most are way too overpowered.

[lavish walrus]

Exactly! Anyone that says increasing level cap won’t end the game is one of those “pros” and spenders that will only benefit from this.

[lavish walrus]

Yeash. They really are trying to lose players by increasing the level cap.

[tardy shale]

Totally agree

[lavish walrus]

They nerfed it to 12 apex dna per takedown didn’t they?

[vernal radish]

it is too late to do it now....
they should've done it years ago.....
ppl have too many dna
the only thing that will happen is gold issues even bigger than it is now
and ppl gotta level up for hours
and then we are at same stage as we are now except broke lots of millions lost, a waste of time and that's it

[sweet sigil]

I would not like the dinosaur level cap to increase, that just makes a pay to win triangle involving new creatures, stat boosts, and coin of all things

[whole furnace]

We should be able to fuse Apexes into a hybrid 💯

[wraith zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-no-angry-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-5606969

[whole furnace]

Yea

I want to combine imperatosuchus with snake

And then combine that hybrid with megalotops

[wraith zealot]

This guy needs help

[whole furnace]

And then-

Jk💀

[wraith zealot]

Hope so

[whole furnace]

Of course, I don’t have snake 😂

[wraith zealot]

Which snake?

[sweet sigil]

If that happens it would be apex + unique super hybrid

[sweet sigil]

Very expensive and very difficult to get

Just for an average player alone

[whole furnace]

Hydra boa, I forgot the name at the moment lol

[lavish walrus]

Increasing the level cap is just going to make this a pay to enjoy game.

Anyone saying “then just play the game as intended” about the possibility of increase level cap is seriously ignorance.

[sweet sigil]

E yes

[lone saddle]

Maybe we get a new mechanic for the new levels but yeah at current stage it would be too expensive and take too long to grind

[sweet sigil]

The asking for this would have to be backed up by increased coin to be fine

[lavish walrus]

Yeah if they increase the level cap they seriously need to change how the leveling system works. Because if they don’t then it’s going to be a pay to enjoy game, and anyone who says otherwise is one of those high paying players.

Yes anyone who thinks an increased level cap is a good idea should also be okay with more ways to get dna and coins, and/or a nerf to the leveling system.

[sweet sigil]

If you just going after normal supply drop coins only, you’d be left with 105,000 in just a week

But that’s only if you’re doing it nonstop

Which also becomes a problem because not every player is surrounded with 50 supply drops around them

[lone saddle]

Yeah if there would be no new mechanic they should nerf upgrade costs

[lavish walrus]

Prize cost? What’s that?

[lone saddle]

Sorry wanted to write upgrade costs

[sweet sigil]

105,000 for normal supply drops + 52,500 from showcase supply drops provide about 157,500 in total, which is not enough to max up a creature to level thirty. It probably would take more than once to even reach that by spending nothing on other things. Yes there are other ways to get coin, but they are not daily coin like this is.

[lone saddle]

Probably or a new raid class

[sweet sigil]

True

[lone saddle]

But I don’t think we’ll get a new rarity soon

[sweet sigil]

Your best bet to achieve that much is by driving everyday to max up everything or riding on a bus to do the same

[sweet sigil]

Yea

[lavish walrus]

Adding in a new rarity is the worst idea for fusions

the cost of Epic, let alone Rare needed for fusing a Unique is already ridiculously high enough as it is.

Imagine having to use them for a new rarity that uses 50 apex per fusion, that would mean 5000 Rare and 2000 Epic per fusion.

[unborn dagger]

No reason to be at it non-stop or have 50 drops. Driving around for 10-15 minutes does the trick.. or taking a bike if the weather is nice 🙂

[sweet sigil]

That’s only if you’re driving or riding on a bus, which also means you have to be close to get the maximum amount of coin per drop opening.

[lavish walrus]

Takes me driving 20-30 min to max out the drops in my route to work.

157,500 coins a week, that’s only if you can max out all drops and events each week, is nowhere near enough coins to level anything to substancial levels in a decent amount of time.

Add in the coin chases for an additional 50,000 and that’s still not enough to level things in a timely sense

[unborn dagger]

Well yeah you have to be in close range when you open them, or else you have to open a looot of them lol

[sweet sigil]

Exactly

And for a non driving perspective, it took me 3 hours to max out my coin in one day

[unborn dagger]

I know it’s a big task if you open them from far away. Was just saying maxing them isn’t a problem if you’re on the move that’s all 🙂

[sweet sigil]

I know that

If there’s any outside of my inner circle I always do collect quickly

[naive gale]

I have a naive optimism that it's possible this could be a net-zero change to resource cost/DNA to max and is simply a re-pacing of progress so that you're not stuck at the last few levels of a dino for months upon months.

So in other words all your level 30 dinos become level 40. And your pre-patch non-30 ones get refactored under the new system without stat loss.

[meager quest]

If they made all the current stuff I have at 30 level 40 and just scaled up the DNA I would be fine with that. But if they do it the way they probably want to it will be the last dollar they get from me. And I am one of their better customers.

[naive gale]

Yeah I don't think I will respond well to that either. There is a psychological sense of security and accomplishment that I have some dinos that are "finished" and operating at max.

If I lose that and all of my stuff is incomplete, it will be disheartening.

[meager quest]

A lot of us will abandon the game, or become free to play. They will lose core customers in a gamble to squeeze their newer or more spend-happy audience.

Their sales people are miscalculating this. It has the potential to wreck their sales. A lot of startups make moves like this to chase revenue. They have new sales people since they merged. They are eager to prove themselves. But what often happens in situations like these is that they try to change their product so much that it no longer satisfies their core customers.

They want the people who maxed rexy to try to race to 40 by buying incubators. But what they don’t realize is that those people are lone wolfs.

They can’t sustain revenue this way

[undone gate]

I 100% agree with this. We all need to sign a petition or something. Ludia must be high if they think these changes will “better the game” experience

[sacred turret]

If a new mechanic is involved for leveling, it might be task based which would be alright... but so help me god if one of them is velociraptor direct hits....

[mighty mountain]

or maybe they just don’t add it because it would ruin PvP even further.

they could also allow us to convert excess DNA into coins. you can only do this if that dino is level 30. if it’s a unique, or an “end of the line” hybrid, you cannot fuse it further, since you spend coins to fuse.

maybe the conversation rate is something like;

1 DNA = 10 coins

[sacred turret]

Knowing ludia and their coin throttling, would be closer to 10000 common dna = 10 coins,

[wraith zealot]

I Think I wont be 10000 common DNA… I Think it would be 10000 Apex

[sacred turret]

If the apex limit went that high, I wouldn't disagree... lol

[vernal radish]

many ppl will quit game if they do this

[knotty rapids]

Raising an apex from 30 to 40, with the current system, would take 10 years without paying

[unborn dagger]

5 to 7 years (5250 dna) but still stupid and too long. Nobody wants that.

[lavish walrus]

Nobody wants them to raise the level cap. If they do then they need to seriously re-work the leveling system.

[mighty mountain]

or buff the amount of coins we can get... because a level 29 morty is 200,000 coins.

not every player is fortunate enough to have an active alliance for donation cards, coin chases, and supply pods. battle incs also apply, if low level players are even able to beat them.

and coin tournaments

[sonic breach]

Getting a unique from lvl 39 to 40 would cost several million coin and 7500 DNA. Assuming you get 20 DNA per fuse on an Albertocevia, that one level up would cost over 180,000 Albertosaurus DNA.

[mighty mountain]

actual hell

[sonic breach]

And raid apexes are a whole other story, but people have already discussed that it would take over half a decade to max those out.

[lone saddle]

Yes

[sonic breach]

The game's gonna die before people even get them to lvl 35 lmao.

[mighty mountain]

they may as well make them into strike towers that reward more DNA, because getting a bread crumb of apex dna is just not gonna cut it lol. i still don't even have ref bc i'm getting sh-- for DNA

[lone saddle]

Seems like they don’t increase Dino levels. At least this year

[topaz rose]

it will probably happen at the same time they revamp the map, so for 3.0 i suppose

[pallid jewel]

What i say is do like pokemon go did, and have 2 arenas,

Idk all out, and classic could be the names

All out uses all levels no problem

Classic scales the level to 30 max

Each can have a team set so you can customize how many boosts you have to disable and what boosts (instead of randomly lowering it to 30)

Pros gives more to work to
Possibly they reward the dna and coin cost
Leaves rooms for a extra tier or 2 of dinos
The main reason everyone hates it is fixxed
It will make those that want it happy too

Cons
Extra team to edit
???

[wraith zealot]

Cons: The entire chat in this thread

[pallid jewel]

Which was mitigated by my statement

[wraith zealot]

No, totaly not

[half storm]

I both love and hate this idea, not hate then love, as the DNA and coins needed would be astronomical. However, it does give the game more longevity. If we can deliver that longevity without making me downs more DNA and coins though, that would be nice, would love to see more end game things for end game players to reach for and strive to beat, maybe more campaign battles? Would LOVE more of those

[meager quest]

It will ruin the game and cause major revenue loss effectively ending the game

I vow to not only never spend another cent on the game but also cancel VIP before I find a new game and delete this

And I have 25+ 30s

Many either maxed or heavily boosted

We will likely lose most of the core players so I hope they plan to attract a new generation of customers.

[sweet sigil]

Longevity with a massive long lasting consequence

[half storm]

Yeah, I get it. You point is very valid, like I said, I both hate and love it, mostly hate, I just would love to see more end game stuff to keep it exciting

[limpid harbor]

If they do this ill be in aviary for another year

[mighty temple]

Increasing the level cap will probably shorten the life span of this game since huge amounts of players will quit immediately and anyone new or a ftp veteran will have to pour thousands into the game just to hold their ground

[runic cloak]

They would need to add more arenas

[mighty mountain]

increasing the player level cap to 30 would be enough for a majority of the playerbase.

[half storm]

That I can absolutely agree with. Would love to have a higher player level

[half storm]

Well. I think this is very likely, some people would definitely quite. But I don’t think that people would loose their ground that much. It’s just gonna mean more leveling. The p2p players would still be having to pay out to stay on top and f2p players would just have to spend more time and resources to get a lvl 40. I’m not saying that this game SHOULD go that route, I’m just saying that some more really end game things should happen, someone suggested increasing player level cap, that sounds like it would be great, I’d love to get more DNA per dart. I would also like to see more campaign battles too, something that makes it feel like I’m progressing to something instead of getting the newest toy to play with if it’s OP atm

[mighty mountain]

if they want to add more longevity for the higher up players, they can add more special campaign missions, or perhaps other PvP modes (like how PoGo has the different leagues with either no CP cap, or a CP cap)

[half storm]

I would like that too

[mighty mountain]

if they increase dino levels, the entire game economy has to change. this includes DNA and coins. even with those changing, i would still be pressed about it. i’ve been VIP since i basically started playing and it took me years to get the dinos i have lmao

[half storm]

Just more things to do, also wanna see new campaign levels that have to do with the creatures added recently. Like the scorpions. Would love to see more campaign battles. We need it bad, I think that last time the campaign was overhauled was something shortly after the snakes were added

And yeah, I get that, definitely would be hard to do for any player to get a level 40

[mighty mountain]

they will probably work them into the flocks category

[half storm]

Probably

But I just want more campaigns, I remember when it got overhauled, I spent loads of time going through them all

Maybe add a new higher difficulty level? Easy, medium, then hard

Though, I do hate the type restrictions. DO NOT have those, I don’t want to level a creature just to use it once

[mighty mountain]

YES

[pallid jewel]

I still say this would work and hopefully give us that like the extra levels (like me) what we want but doesn't hurt those that want to keep it lv 30 though i feel once its added (assuming it is) instead of complaining everyone will adapt and be happy

[sturdy seal]

I'm okay with player level being raised cuz it means faster overall progression, but Dino level absolutely shouldn't be raised

The only was you don't have mass quitting with the raising the Dino cap is if the coin prices per level up go down to level one values and reset, like prestige on CoD without actually losing anything

For instance make it so 29-30 is 250000 31-40 is only 1000, but increase the dna per level by like 50% more

[pallid jewel]

I definitely see them reworking the coin need when they up it, the coins are already alot but lv 40 dinos and new rarity sound fun

[mighty temple]

New rarities don't sound fun considering it will take years to get and max them for most people after ptw people get it in several weeks and it becomes useless by the time others get it high level

An alacranix and ref hybrid could be released, be top creature for a whole year and it would still be accessible only to people who pay because everyone will only get 1 fuse every 2-3 weeks after they spend years leveling them both to 30

[lone saddle]

Perhaps they listened to us and scrapped the idea . Or they’ll just add it next year

[mighty temple]

Level cap should be like 80

[sweet sigil]

They can’t add the increase dinosaur levels anyway due to how the game can’t give you much coin to take advantage of it

[mighty temple]

Level should be 80

If you disagree then mid

[sonic breach]

You would need 346750 DNA to get a unique to lvl 50

[mighty temple]

Not my problem

[sonic breach]

You make it obvious that your suggestion is a joke

[mighty temple]

If you plan on playing this game then it will be your problem

[wraith zealot]

I bet with u, the game-develpers after seeing this Thread: At least 5% of the players want a increased dino cap, and might even pay for gettin their creatures to that level!!! Thanks to Feilong for giving this Idea... XD

[mighty temple]

Oh... I can just imagine that... PLEASE NO

[mighty temple]

This thread was made in response to datamines suggesting they were going to do this on their own, Feilong is protesting the idea not putting it in Ludia's head

[mighty temple]

I do play it

I got full team of legendarys

And a unique

If the max level was 80 then you and almost any person who doesn't spend money will have no hope of leaving aviary, which would probably be infested with level 40-60s that would push us all down to lockdown or marshes

[sonic breach]

You'd need more unique DNA to max one creature than the amount of common DNA any one player has obtained in total.

A lvl 80 creature would be physically impossible no matter how much money or time you spend on the game.

[mighty temple]

It was joke

I wasn’t being serious

[runic cloak]

how the heck would people even get commons to 40

[sonic breach]

Either removing DNA limit, or you simply don't

[pallid jewel]

A dna rework is bound when they add it

[runic cloak]

Doubt

[runic cloak]

Velociraptor mains moment

[polar nest]

🗿💀

Raising dinosaur level is the worst idea imaginable

[sweet sigil]

E yes

[unborn sparrow]

Lol level 40 dino will mess up players probably mostly will quit

[pallid jewel]

I feel its inevitable and when it comes its gonna be dealt with

[half magnet]

If they increase the creature Lvl from 30 using the current DNAs and coins ratio, that will be the day I shelve my drones.
But... Maybe... Just maybe... If they start from 100 DNAs and 1000 coins for every creature, then, maybe I will continue playing.

Sorry if there are grammar mistakes or the wrong usage of commas, forgive me . English is not my close friend. 😬😬😬

[pale quiver]

Dino level cap increase is not good at all😕

[pallid tusk]

As much as we would hope they would make a smart choice... i think the odds are against that happening.

[lavish walrus]

They’d need to nerf the level up system if they increase the level cap

[small hound]

Player lvl is ok but not Dino lvl

[topaz rose]

it is ok if they are able to take into account all the fuses and levelling up you have done since you reached level 20 years ago

[pallid jewel]

I don't get whats so wrong with dino levels, it gives players more to grind then new creatures but definitely increase player level

[lone saddle]

The idea of more levels it’s self isn’t the problem . The true problem is the new stats combo and the costs. It already costs 100k coins to get a creature for level 25 . So short they would be too expensive and would make things harder for low level players to get in higher ranks

[neat breach]

It’s already a huge problems to level up uniques and fusible apexes of event exclusive creatures and the epics who rarely I see to dart in the map even after being zone exclusive ( forget the event exclusive). If the creature level will increase then it will be impossible for non paying players to make those apexes and uniques to level 40 in years.

[topaz rose]

exactly that

not sure the paying players are willing to go from $1k a month to $10k a month as well

[pallid jewel]

I'd be surprised if they don't redo the level system alongside it making to 3 easier with 30 to 40 being the grind so that would be a plus if so

[lost sierra]

From what I heard, more than half the forum threatened to quit the game if the level cap was increased.

I'm on board with that. If they increase the level cap from 30 to 40 without changing everything (how much Coins and DNA is needed for evolving and fusing) then I'm quitting and probably more than half the playerbase will as well.

[mighty temple]

It would still benefit ptw people, if it was a token to get something higher than level 30 then it will be sold and restricted while also making hunting, sanctuaries, and any other free method of leveling things obsolete so you either have to give Jamcity your money or accept dropping an arena or 2 because level 30s won't help you anymore

[pallid jewel]

Or they give a lv 30 max battles be still available , also if they exclude any non payers that is too much but if its just more dna to level up more it seems fun especially since it will probably make lower levels easier to get at the same time

[mighty temple]

If it costs dna and coin the exponential growth of level costs would make level 40 take years to grind

And some creatures like commons would require so much dna to level from 39-40 that you couldn't even own enough at once to do it

also creatures being very easy to get is how a lot of people's first hybrid was Thor and the early game meta revolves around the battle pass

[pallid jewel]

I would hope that they rework it so its a good and possible investment

[mighty temple]

There's really no way to do it that won't have a greater benefit for people who spend than those who don't, at least not one Jamcity would be able or willing to do

[lost sierra]

Actually I'm working on a whole redesign on their system on a Excel Worksheet

I don't know if I can post it though

[pallid jewel]

Getting the dna to do so should be the only thing that is beneficial to pay imo anything more and its too much but id love a higher dino goal, will also encourage me to work on 30 more then 8 boosts and a few hundred more stats especially if it makes it easier to get them to 30

[mighty temple]

Boosts are also another problem, now you'll need even more of them to go with the extra 10 levels so people have to buy more of them

I'll feel sorry for the poor new players who will have to deal with a 40/40 Thor with 165 speed in aviary

[pallid jewel]

Id Imagine they give more arenas that makes it more better

I'd love to see 40 boosts on a dino tbh

[mighty temple]

More arenas won't stop droppers

[pallid jewel]

Tbh itd be cool to see 60 boosts if you can put the work in but thats gonna take a long long time

[pallid jewel]

Droppers will exist eather way

[mighty temple]

That's just an easy way to allow people to pay for a 3k damage geminideus

[pallid jewel]

Also let's there be hybrids of apexes

[mighty temple]

That's a horrible idea

[pallid jewel]

Considering half the apexes aren't hybrids I say a stage over apex seems fun

And give more reasons to raid apexes

[mighty temple]

Having to raid for several years only to have your work be long forgotten and left in the dust by the time you get it

[pallid jewel]

They really need to fix their powercreep

[mighty temple]

If they release a kyrie and ref hybrid that is the best creature in the game after you complete your grueling years of raids then it's completely useless

[pallid jewel]

I can say wait till they balance the game but I don't see a way id ever not want more dino levels (and tbh was surprised to see the hate of it

[mighty temple]

Honestly something like that being powercrept before it can be used is perfectly normal

The game can't just freeze for nearly a decade to keep the same meta, even if balance was at its best the meta will still shift over a period of years

[pallid jewel]

Apex raids drop too little, though if they raise player level at the same time they can make apex raids give more for higher level players making the apex hybrids not take years but months

[mighty temple]

Normal apexes already take at least 10 weeks and usually around 15 to unlock

To get 30 is 23-47 weeks so imagine getting that to level 35 and only being able to fuse every 2-3 weeks until you max the hybrid

If a hybrid starts at 31 and requires 2 level 30s that costs 350 dna to unlock then it would take an average of 3 weeks to fuse and with an average fuse amount of 22 you should be unlocking it in 48 weeks

That on top of getting the apex to 30 is just over a month short of 2 years only to get started, not to mention the long road to 40 with a single try every 2-4 weeks which would be infuriating to get a 10 on

[lost sierra]

While I heavily disagree with the dino level cap increase.

I'd actually welcome the player level cap increase from 20 to 30.

Higher player levels = more DNA per dart

[pallid jewel]

And if we are lucky more dna per raid

Which might make the apex hybrids easier

I do say that knowing them they aren't gonna listen to this and put it in anyway and people will eather get used to it or quit but what I say is we should hope its implementation is correct

[small hound]

But the game will be harder

[lavish walrus]

No one besides the whales will want to play if they raise the level cap

[mighty temple]

I know some people might like the challenge but I personally don't like the idea of waiting almost 2 years to simply unlock a hybrid which would not be the top tier creature it was, level 40s make it impossible to be meta without money

At least now you can grind new creatures relatively quickly if they aren't triple exclusive apexes like indolycan, I was able to get geminideus to level 29 almost on release but if the level cap was raised that sort of thing becomes impossible without the dozen offers Ludia will have in the store

[topaz rose]

same, managed to get geminiD level 30 on day 1 because i have stopped levelling up unique creatures past 25 since they introduced fusable apex creatures, it is obviously impossible with indolycan

[mighty temple]

The problem with level 40s is you can't get anything to a useable level in less than a year, new hybrids would take several years to unlock and almost anything would require over a year of coin and dna grinding to get another 10 levels which moves the timescale of this game from months to years and I doubt anyone wants that

[topaz rose]

exactly, normally you get enough coins in a month to take a unique creature from level 21 to 30, it would take year(s) from level 30 to 40, no thanks

even if they increased the player level cap from 20 to 30 and we get 50% more of everything thanks to that

i am for bringing the level caps in line though 30 & 30

[mighty temple]

Level 40 would be unimaginably expensive, 30 already costs 250,000 so I would imagine 39-40 costing well over 1,000,000 coin and close to 10,000 unique dna

Apexes would cost 11,250 dna to max and only getting 15-30 a week means it takes a minimum of 375 weeks to do max it and a maximum of 750

[topaz rose]

it already takes a year to get an apex to level 30 and it is no longer relevant when you hit level 30....

[mighty temple]

40s make it take as many as 15 years to do, that's not even beginning to discuss hybrids of apexes

Once you do the math it very quickly becomes obvious that the only way to make an attempt at this is some kind of alternate currency which won't go well either

[topaz rose]

i count 5250 apex dna needed from 30 to 40 (300+350+400+450+500+550+600+650+700+750), given 20 per week on average that would be 262.5 weeks, if they increased the player level to 30, that would be 175 weeks (assuming 30 per week on average)...

[mighty temple]

I used the dna amount for a rare going from 6-20 because level 6-10 costs the same as 26-30 for an apex so level 10-20 for a rare would represents 30-40 for an apex

I'm not excepting Ludia to be lenient enough to increase it by only 50 dna per level so I just model it off the costs of lower rarities that can be verified

[topaz rose]

that would be nuts

[sonic breach]

It takes 2.5x the DNA needed to get a unique from 21-30 to get a unique from 39-40

[mighty temple]

It's more encouraging to spend and takes less effort to do than making a new cost scaling system

The one problem with this idea is I think commons might cost more than 500,000 dna to do the final level up which makes the system impossible

[topaz rose]

if that were to be the case, i would take a screenshot of my team and various top 500 as f2p and just delete the game, let's see how fun it is for the whales to battle each other

[mighty temple]

Even if we don't uninstall the whales would only fight each other because no one else could get any higher than maybe 33-35 in the first year

[topaz rose]

i am close to 2k dna on the older apex already, they are useless though but could get them there

[mighty temple]

Refrenantem would probably be the champion for ftp again since it's old and still useable although since it's dropping already there's no way an apex can stand up to the monsters that will make up the final 2 rarities

[topaz rose]

and worse you need to keep apex dna for fuses

[mighty temple]

I think this change would create 2 metas, a free one and a paid one where in shores and gyro you get swamped by high 30s and 40s and the older players will have to find shelter in library and aviary while they slowly progress into the mid 30s

[topaz rose]

and people already complain about level 30s in aviary 🤣

[mighty temple]

Droppers would terrorize people who used to be in control of themselves in mid gyro

I can't imagine spending my 150ish weeks to get an apex to level 35 and then after another 3 weeks of raiding I get 10s for months in a row

[small hound]

Maybe 35 lvl would be OK

[mighty temple]

I don't see how that would be any better, yes it's not as hard to grind but it still opens the door to further level cap raises and would still extends apex maxing time to at least 100 weeks

[pallid jewel]

Or they can do what it feels like they do with apexes vs unique (feels like better pops vs all 10s) and make alphaapex or whatever it is have a average of 30-40 per fusion

[mighty temple]

That still doesn't make almost 3 years of raiding just to get started on fusions worth it

Even if it is minimum of 30 per fuse you still only get one in 2-3 weeks and you'll need roughly 1100 dna to unlock and max it

That's 37 fuses to get to 40 so you have another 100 weeks of fusing on top of the 150 to begin fusing although there is a lot of variation with these numbers because of raid and fuse rng

[lost sierra]

Lvl 30 should stay the Max Lvl cap for creatures. The player level cap however, like I said, I would welcome that.

Higher player levels = More DNA per dart

[pallid jewel]

And more dna per raid

[mighty temple]

Probably won't help anyone looking to max their apexes in less than 5 years

[runic cloak]

It takes 7500 dna to level an epic from 29-30. That should tell you everything

[topaz rose]

that's less than 75 days of FIPing

[bronze vine]

Gosh if there is higher level cap that means higher level of grinding and pain! This is terrifying

[mighty temple]

If the dna amount scales like it usually does 39-40 will take 750 days of FIPing

[pallid jewel]

Thats all lol I expected higher 😅

[runic cloak]

Do you know how hard it is to fuse that much

Especially with exclusive components

[pallid jewel]

It is, but at the same time thats epic dinos

[runic cloak]

It takes about 17k of EACH component for THAT level alone

And that’s if you’re fusing rares…

For common, it’s 68000

[pallid jewel]

Not as hard as unique or apexes which will likely take that to get to 40 (assuming that they don't rework the system like they likely will)

[runic cloak]

I personally found uniques easier to level to like 28 than the single level for ankylodic to get to 30

[pallid jewel]

Ya because the levels are by level ups done, not level (100 first evolve, 150 200 250 ect

[runic cloak]

Yeah but it took MORE dna to level them to 28 than 29-30

Like… almost twice as much

[pallid jewel]

Tbh I feel like if they implement it, mabie a little backlash will start but then we'd all get used to it and not hate it (especially if it comes with a level rework)

But I realize I alone can't change others minds rn

[runic cloak]

If it come with a level rework, I’d be fine with it. My main issue is the Thors if they don’t rework boosts along with it…

I do not want to face a max attack nitro Thor

[pallid jewel]

10 more boosts sounds fun, imo lol 😆

[mighty temple]

People unwilling to dedicate over a decade to a single creature or spend money definitely won't hate being shoved into aviary because the whales all have level 40s

[pallid jewel]

Gives more customization

[mighty temple]

Also means more money to be spent as you need 1000 more boosts

If you look at how level costs scale then it becomes clear that the cost in both resources and time for apexes and uniques becomes terrifyingly high

[pallid jewel]

Or more strike boost towers to do

[runic cloak]

I don’t even want to think about how much it would take to get ankylodic to 40

[mighty temple]

And a token system won't help because Jamcity will handle it exactly like boosts, locking the late game to rare handouts or spending

[mighty temple]

It should cost 75,000 dna if they don't make a new system

[pallid jewel]

I did think about them making a lv 30 max cup and a lv 40 max cup in the past

Like if you want to go all out you can otherwise your creatures go down to lv 30 for you

[mighty temple]

So a separate arena for the whales?

Doesn't sound too bad to me if they can all go fight each other with their 10,000$ creatures while we all get to actually progress for free

[runic cloak]

The only advantage to 40 for me is that my weaker members (compsocaulus and toven) can have a better chance of being usable, but that’s literally it.

[pallid jewel]

Yes

Ya with the extra boosts

[mighty temple]

The problem is everything else has the same opportunity so it really doesn't help them

[pallid jewel]

The meta will definitely shift, hopefully in a good way, at least for the lv 40 arena

[runic cloak]

Exactly

[runic cloak]

Geminideus would have like 18k hp tho

Level 40 would have to come with a major rebalancing update for stats (hint hint… 3.0)

[pallid jewel]

Another reason to want it, it leaves the opportunity for needed changes

Now id be disappointed if they don't make those changes though

[runic cloak]

There already is an opportunity for MANY needed changes

[mighty temple]

With 2 new rarities the whole 30+ meta will be different, uniques would be as useful as epics and apexes like legendaries with insane stuff we could never imagine

[pallid jewel]

Lol then there's the rexy of lv 40ness lol 😆 (jk hope they keep them balanced)

[mighty temple]

If they do make separate arenas I'd just pretend they didn't exist

[mighty temple]

Rexy would be weak, she's already slipping in both tournaments and arena, she'd be the equivalent of a rare in the new meta

[pallid jewel]

I think apex hybrids sound fun, (alot of work but fun) but thats me

[pallid jewel]

Ya I know, I'm meaning like the unique that beats grand Master apex or whatever its called

All I know is I hope they keep the balance with these

[mighty temple]

Hybrids with as many as 15 ingredients that cost millions of coins and dna to get will be anything but balanced

[pallid jewel]

What i can say is rebalance the game eather alongside it or before it though

Pluss itd make the pass uniques in the early game less game breaking but at the same time they can mabie add more rewards

[mighty temple]

Early game people could never even begin to unlock that kind of stuff and I'm not a fan of anything lower than legendary becoming useless because people start the game with uniques

[pallid jewel]

True its still a bit unbalanced to not scale

[runic cloak]

That’s what really made me mad about the pass. There’s no early game grind anymore. It’s just passes and then people are thrown into the wall of unique and apex grinding

[pallid jewel]

What i can say is add more tiers to the pass, It takes us like 10 days to go through it making even newer ones able to be complete it no effort

[mighty temple]

Any epic other than pulmono is sort of useless because people start with whatever the pass gives them

[mighty temple]

It needs level scaling so a level 5 can't unlock a unique by spending 20 dollars

[pallid jewel]

And of course make the unique as the higher tiers that way its more grind for newer players

Another thing that can help

Lower the level the less legendary and unique dna you get but mabie rares and epics can go up as well

Make it still worth the value but messes with the meta less

[runic cloak]

Jamcity is so good at powercreeping that they powercrept their own shop offers

[haughty sparrow]

same

taking an apex from 30 to 40 would take so long that the game's servers will be shut down by then..

[lavish walrus]

Everyone would quit the game at that point

[lavish walrus]

That would be a literal nightmare to fight

[lone saddle]

By the looks of it that idea seems to be scrapped unless they decide to add it for 3.0 or something

[pallid jewel]

I'm sure something this big would be a big update

[slender nova]

You would need over 11000 apex dna to get it to level 40

[mighty temple]

It should but only if the amount of resources you get later on increases significantly, and pvp gets a bot to match creature levels, 2 things that I'm not sure if they're going to do

[mighty temple]

In my opinion it can't work, either you raid for a decade to get your apex maxed or a ptw token system like boost resets will lock late game behind a pay wall

Either way you will hit a wall at some point, one method is excruciatingly long and the other is nearly impossible for free

[finite inlet]

The second method could work well if implemented properly, but I don't think anyone wants to bank on jamdia using braincells

[mighty temple]

If they do it I'm willing to bet enough money to max the next meta apex that it will be just as bad as boost tokens

[lapis flare]

I wrote this a while back in the forums. I’m posting it here:

I agree level 40 is a huge no from me. I’ve played this game faithfully since the beginning of 2019, and the grind has become more and more time-consuming. The game is becoming more expensive by the day, and the increased level for creatures will require more boosts, which are already hard to get and impossible to remove, more exclusive DNA (and DNA in general), as well as add to what is already a near impossible amount of coin.

Many people feel burnout, and many have considered retiring or have retired, but the goal of a level 30 was at least a bit more realistic. Now with all the exclusive DNA, the amount of coin and cash it takes to level and boost, etc etc etc, and now the level 40 proposal, I don’t see many of us keeping up at all, even those who spend a lot of money on the game already.

I love and appreciate the top players, and enjoy how much they positively influence the culture around the game, not to mention how well they fund JWA (you keep it running! artists get paid! families get fed!). I also love and appreciate FTP people as well - many of who are hard-core players who dedicate hours of daily playing. Both are wonderful, and their passion for this game is why this game is what it is today. A level 40 move could hurt both types of players a lot.

By increasing the level to 40, I feel Ludia would be:

1. leaving the regular VIP and lower spenders (faithful monthly around $50-100 mo - though even $300 could be considered low in this game) in the dust
2. Completely shutting out all FTP gamers who do generate income through watching ads and joining alliances with top spenders to keep them afloat - some even lead and have founded top alliances
3. Taking advantage of the top spenders by continually increasing the amount they need to spend on this game to stay at the top - which I feel is completely unfair to top players who are faithful to this game and have kept it going for years (yes, you top spenders are very much appreciated, and I feel you don’t deserve this).

This could possibly harm the game. People will leave. Big spenders have already left because they could either not keep up even with spending a thousand + a month, or because the game demands more time for more exclusives and boosts, or both. The grind and cost is too much, and considering many people are now struggling to make ends meet due to everything that’s going on in the world, I just can’t see this being a great way to keep cash flowing into the game.
Fewer players = fewer spenders; fewer spenders = less revenue; less revenue = fading game.

Maybe I’m being too pessimistic, but when you see so many top players who spent a lot of money on the game quit or are considering retirement, you begin to wonder how this game will survive long term.

If Ludia significantly lowered the cost of their cash/coin/inc, and lowered the cost of leveling creatures in game, increased boost availability, significantly increased the DNA output for sanc creatures, gave more free FIPs, allowed non-hybrid legendaries in sancs, and gave us ways to freely move boosts around a bit more (I get boosts bring in revenue, so I don’t expect all transfers to be free - but we need more flexibility than what we have right now), then maybe level 40 would be feasible, and it could generate more income overall for Ludia if they did just that. Lower cost incs or incs that actually forwarded progress would mean more people could afford to spend money in JWA stores, and the game would generate more income overall.

As it stands, most incs don’t advance you very far unless you pay for them many times over, and a lot of these incs are very expensive. The cash bundles alone are super expensive.
It already costs a fortune (both in-game cash and coin and real-world $) to level up creatures max level and boosts, to collect the DNA, etc.

Burn-out is real, and people are leaving or have left the game because of it. The last thing we need is another reason for people to quit the game, which will in turn, cause it to go extinct.

Increasing levels could also affect raid structure in the future, meaning new future raids could potentially become harder forcing people to level their raid dinos more than they already have.

Raid dinos already split up so much of the coin and boosts in the game as is - many taking away boosts and coin and DNA that’s needed for other dinos that are viable for PVP and tournaments but not raids (and most raid dinos are not viable for PvP or tournaments - so it’s a problem).

I am not one to threaten to quit - I adore this game. I’ve made so many amazing friends over the years. It’s the only game I really play faithfully. However, I can 100% say that raising the level to 40 would suck a lot of joy out of this game for me and many, many others. The sense of completion you get when leveling a dino is satisfying, and taking away that satisfaction of working and grinding hard, even spending from time to time, would be so frustrating and demotivating. I’d have to start grinding all over again for creatures I already maxed out, in addition to grinding for all the new creatures which are released at a rapid fire rate already. I can barely keep up with unlocking everything for a skills tourney, let alone leveling up for the arena. I don’t even want to think about how horrible level 40 would be.

I also cannot even imagine a new player continuing with this game because of how awful the grind has become, nor can I imagine many big spenders deciding to continue on with more unwanted grinding for creatures that, if they level past 30 and max to 40, will still be power-crept and thus the money they spent will be wasted in the end, but this time it will be significantly more money and time wasted should the levels be capped at 40. Who’s gonna go for a max level create at 40 if that creature is already non-meta?

Hopefully Ludia listens. I do not want to be negative here - there is already enough of that to go around in the world. I do, however, feel it’s important for Ludia to know how faithful players are feeling, and understand that every player - even FTP players generate income because they prevent the game from dying.

PS - Ludia could generate more income out of FTP people if they decided to put more ads in the game for rewards that were more than just the free incs. If I was offered 5k coin every few hours for watching an ad, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

[foggy zinc]

Really wrote a whole thesis. Imagine

[lapis flare]

I was bored and had time 🤣

[lone saddle]

I think by now it either got scrapped or the whole idea is supposed to be for 3.0 or something

[sweet sigil]

It won’t work out regardless of it being saved for a big update.

[mighty temple]

I hope it was scrapped, the original hints about this are pretty old and nothing's been said

[lone saddle]

Well they wouldn’t talk about datamine anyway

[sweet sigil]

If they did, it wouldn’t be paying their checks.

[lone saddle]

Yes . Well the only thing that prevents it from working are the costs from dna and coins

[sweet sigil]

And the fact that if it did you would need a million coin to level the creature up

Not even the store can give that much coin to grant that level up

[lone saddle]

Yep . Costs are the big problem of this feature

[pallid jewel]

I feel the costs would be redone with them

[sweet sigil]

Less likely due to how money hungry JC wants

[pallid jewel]

I'm sure they won't require 1 million coins for a single power up

[lone saddle]

Then the other problem would be dna . It takes like two months to unlock an apex hybrid. Now imagine how much dna of the components you need to get

[pallid jewel]

Also part of the redone system

[mighty temple]

I think it's a lot more likely they won't and we wouldn't be able to get a max alacranix until 2033 for free

[lapis flare]

I think it may have been scrapped. Too many top players were not ok with the idea.

[lone saddle]

It also would probably have happened by now since it’s now datamined since like 5 months

[mighty temple]

Some recent things are suggesting it could come soon if speculation is right

[haughty sparrow]

I love how the devs only notice something if the top players and spenders aren't ok with anything. F2p and low spenders literally don't matter to them 💀

[lapis flare]

Yes, but at least most top players would agree with most FTP on the vast majority of things. It's better to be a united front, especially in matters like this lol. I've also had Ludia listen to me when I had never spent a dime on the game (recently I treated myself to one Grand Pass over the holidays, and a $20 pass last month, then one $4.99 incubator. I also used a gift card. But that's it - and I've been playing since Feb 2019). They do listen sometimes, especially if you are polite and do it in a way that doesn't sound like just complaining. Companies get enough of that in general, so I think it's refreshing to anyone if they can hear feedback that's presented in a way that's constructive.

[lone saddle]

Yeah . We might not get the changes in the ways we want but at least they happen

[haughty sparrow]

but what if the changes are for the worse?

[lone saddle]

They still happe though and that’s what matters

[ivory inlet]

“Inevitably” makes it sound like it will happen slowly

[mighty temple]

I feel like enhancements have replaced this idea

[sullen depot]

They can honestly go back to this idea if they want to anytime and set a new record of absurdity and make 2 rarities above apex

Aslong as whales be gullible then why not

[topaz rose]

they'll probably require tier 5 unique and apex only to fuse the new rarity creatures...

[sullen depot]

You have to use boosts for fusions

Their play is honestly just "what don't like this datamine? Ok we'll only implement 25% of it, and then moderately roll the rest of the 75% until you suddenly realize you're buried in the quicksand neck deep and HAVE to pay to get out"

[severe loom]

No way …. Level 40

[fallow crater]

Already ppl show toxicity with some of the overpowered dinosaurs. I don’t think increasing cap level to 40 would make it easier for f2p players.

[wraith zealot]

It definatly won´t

[fallow crater]

Yeah..Ludia should consider for their f2p players too. sigh money…

[wraith zealot]

I think the only reason they keep this game alive, is that it gives them so much money, so why care about the rest that does not give them money

[pallid jewel]

Tbf everything brings toxicity nowadays

[wraith zealot]

Still no reason to not care

[mighty temple]

Of course it wouldn't, that's not what they care about

[ruby python]

They essentially did level 40 with enhancements when it comes to cost. Just image the amount of money it would cost to level 40 and level 5 enhancement something. So it’s something ludia and jam city would love since it means more money

[pallid jewel]

Ya fr

[mighty temple]

The worst part is they're only the equivalent of a level 32

[ruby python]

Rule of thumb. If ludia and jam city can take advantage of their player base and squeeze a little bit more money out of them, they will. Gameplay and balance be damned

[pallid jewel]

It kinda already is

[sullen depot]

Tier 10 enhacements when