Buck and Doe

[balmy terrace]

Because we already have 69 rexes in game, and nobody wants just a rehash of the already current rexes.

We just want something new for once

[surreal owl]

If you’re so intent that they’re gonna paywall / profit anyways, they’ll continue doing it indefinitely in the future regardless of whether or not Buck and Doe are added.

[surreal owl]

We get something new every update regardless. When has there ever been an update where ZERO new creatures were added?

[velvet pollen]

1.10

But that was like a long time ago lol

[balmy terrace]

I’m talking about how we want something that’s not another Trex. Continue on giving us different Dino’s.

[surreal owl]

Every update adds at least 4-5 new creatures. Let’s say Buck and Doe are added on separate updates. That’s still 3-4 minimum new creatures on whatever updates they roll out on

[balmy terrace]

It’s still Buck and doe regardless.

[surreal owl]

If you just don’t like Buck and Doe, say it lol

[balmy terrace]

I’ve always liked them, but I just don’t want them in the game.

[surreal owl]

Ok then we’ll see what Ludia does with this thread/petition. I don’t have control over their decisions and neither do you. They might be added, they might not.

[opal crescent]

they should seriously not be added, 3 tyrannosaurs are enough

Do I like Buck and Doe as "characters" as "dinosaurs" YES. Do they belong in the game? No.

[balmy terrace]

Again, I know lots of people who adore B&D as characters. But disagree that they should be in the game for the reasons listed above.

[warm needle]

scorpius rex gen 4 apex when?

[balmy terrace]

Omg little Tim

Autograph when

[warm needle]

shut up

[balmy terrace]

U

[warm needle]

i have the flying baby rhinos and you don’t stay mad

[surreal owl]

@opal crescent @balmy terrace you’re fully entitled to such opinions, I respect them but I will nonetheless continue my petition for their inclusion as balanced and nonpaywalled options

[balmy terrace]

Well, I respect your opinion. But do you really think Ludia will make them balanced and or non-paywalled. 😂

Nah, I don’t think so. They’ll go the route we all hate

[opal crescent]

true

[simple trench]

I'm still really confused as to how "nobody wants buck and doe", when the statistics for a lot of things jwa related show that movie related dinos are much preferred by a larger audience.

Compsoscorpios and Indonemys make up 89% of that poll and the non-movie related ones are just slightly over 10% from an audience of over 45k people...

[ornate ridge]

sorry to spam, i know this is gonna be a wall, but it does pertain to the discussion, had some ideas on this front, and unlike rexy, i tried to make these a bit more balanced and hold to a certain idea i had, lmk if this sounds good or not...

[simple trench]

Mommy's Very Angry, I love it😂

[ornate ridge]

ty:)

[simple trench]

You know, considering Beta is in the game, does that technically mean we could ask for Junior too?😂

[ornate ridge]

i mean, i dont have the faintest idea what i would do for a junior, but yeah:P

[warm needle]

The thing is Indominus, scorpius and rexy are way more popular then Buck and doe. Adding them wont attract nearly as many players

[ornate ridge]

the thing is, jurassic world alive is a niche game... we arent advertising to draw in players based on what dinosaurs exist, not really... the argument that they wont attract players doesnt really work because in general no one starts playing because they added a single dinosaur... buck and doe are still a nice addition to the roster that expand and enrich it for current players and are a nod back to the original trilogy.

if you want to attract new players, an expanded roster isnt the solution, new content types are...

[warm needle]

I was responding to the Argument that they should be added because they will attract players

[ornate ridge]

fair enough, i too would argue against that, because its not realistic...

[wraith marsh]

Is a dead horse still being beaten here? 🤣

[wraith marsh]

Tbh, at this point with how much attention this thread has received whether to agree or disagree, Ludia will probably end up adding them somehow. There’s over a 1000 comments here which is way more than any other thread here so far. It’ll be like that episode of King of the Hill where Bobby entered the talent show after going to clown class in college. He was getting booed at cause his act wasn’t funny and was weird but even still he was still getting a reaction even if not a positive one.

[opal crescent]

there's a difference between "nobody wants" and "we don't need"

we certainly do not need Buck and Doe

[opal crescent]

they're probably gonna do it anyway for the sake of making money
even though I don't think these two are popular enough to warrant their additions but I've been surprised before

[versed gazelle]

I still haven’t seen a reason that isn’t “It would bring players and money”

[balmy terrace]

Because they can’t say anything else other than those two points. They’re out of comebacks 😂

Literally their “best” point they can bring up is “They are legacy Dino’s, so they will make lots of money and bring new players”
Yet they can’t even reply to a claim that some others in this thread made a really good point of. Let’s not forget that they have 0 evidence of “lots of new players” coming to the game because of this. If you’re going to make such a statement, you need the evidence to back it up. Seems fair enough to me 🤷‍♂️

[simple trench]

I mean we don't need to get the player base to agree to add them, only Ludia. Pretty sure money and people are the only 2 reasons needed for them.

And I don't know what other evidence you're expecting. I've already shown that movie dinos get way more attention than random species, wanna see it again or something? People know what Beta is, most of them probably have no damn clue what Pteranokyrie is.

And it seems like your last video to reach over 10k views was about Rexy, not some random creature...

But then you look at these videos right before it, none of them include a movie species.

[surreal owl]

Couldn’t have said it better, big brain ProC 🦖🙏

[simple trench]

I won't even lie about this part and I'll be completely honest. If I am going to keep making youtube videos on jwa, I want them to be successful. The thing that seems to draw in most people is movie dinos, the view counts have proven it time and time again. If my video views can't keep up to date with what I believe is satisfactory and that's because movie dinos aren't being added, then I'll probably move on to other stuff besides jwa.

I mean if the random dinos were to bring in a lot of views, then it'd be a different situation, but that's never really been the case.

[vital helm]

I don't think they're talking about how much attention they do or would get from the community, more about how they would benefit the game, NOT the community as a whole.

They don't add a new genus to the roster, meaning we get even more rexes and rex hybrids over entirely new creatures, which upsets a lot of the more vocal community. How they effect the meta also matters. They could be balanced, overpowered, or useless, and their hybrids could be the same. They could add new playstyles and niches, or they could be Rex Gen 4 and 5. Using other recently added popular creatures as reference (Rexy, Beta, Giga, Indom/Indonem), what we're going to most likely get is more powercreep, which is one of the main culprits for players leaving the game, and the game dying.

Even if they bring in new players, they'll be stuck in arena losing to all the payers with uniques from the pass, not a very fun experience for someone willing to try out the game. And if they do successfully make more money, that could encourage Ludia to add even more popular creatures that increase their profit and accelerate powercreep further.

While B&D could make great additions for the game itself, the chances of that are extremely low considering Ludia being Ludia and doing Ludia things, and we'd rather be safe than sorry.

[winged glade]

No offence, but I don’t think more views=more people going to play the game. Mostly because I doubt you have much of a way to measure how many new players began playing because a movie dinosaur was added, like is being suggested to be the case

[simple trench]

I get that, but what other evidence can they expect us to provide? Go around and find random people on the street and ask them if they'd start playing the game if this dino were added?

[winged glade]

I mean, honestly, no other way to get the data than to ask ludia themselves I imagine

[simple trench]

Well I guess this chart of weekly players for jwa is probably the best I can offer then. It shows quite a large rise of 42.3k players when Dominion was released.

Those 24 weeks ago when the game had the least players at 29.3k. It was low and behold, the Preondactylus update. With 0 movie dinos lol.

[winter sail]

Plus trying the play the game for the first time is gonna be hell like aviary. Seeing tons of Rexy dominating is gonna lead to more quitting than progressing. Ludia is always trying to find more ways to paywall people. Even if these "celebrity" dinos get added Ludia is gonna take benefit bc it's creatures that we enjoyed since the first time we watch a jp film. So, they can start making you pay money for these creatures. They know we enjoy them and they are gonna charge us. We haven't had new creatures that didn't come from films for a long time (carchar, segno, saurophaganax, or some glacial creatures). Like when we got ailurarctos (panda) most of us got interested bc we didn't this species/genus existed until it was introduced to this game and I enjoyed that. That new sense of discovering new creatures from this game and even jwtg. Plus we haven't gotten a tall crocodilian since 1.1 which is annoying. The idea of "celebrity" dinos can be cool and don't get me wrong I enjoy them but they are gonna be poorly received and we aren't gonna enjoy them the same way bc of Rexy

[winter sail]

Btw I am talking about segnosaurus not segnoraptor

[simple trench]

It was an April Fools Event, those are some of the best events jwa holds each year, of course people loved it. The latest non-movie species added was Microraptor. I honestly haven't heard that many people bring it up saying they're head over heels in love with it and what not.

I personally haven't cared about it since I unlocked Segnoraptor. Is there evidence to suggest people love microraptor so so much?

[warm needle]

Do people Love any non-hybrid in this Game?

[simple trench]

Movie non-hybrids, yep lol

[winter sail]

But ppl would've expected something crazy like lord lythronax or goat were, not an extinct species of a panda. Plus micro is a flock creature, which ain't gonna give that much love since flock creatures are a nuisance. And many of us got tired of flocks being added with each update

[vital helm]

Inos, Hatz, Alberto, Brachio, and Andrew for me.

[winter sail]

There is people that like the glacial creatures like myself

[vital helm]

I don't think people like or care for it because it has no remarkable design elements, is a flock with absurd speed, provides little tournament use, and is outclassed entirely opinion-wise by Anurognathus, which lots of people like.

[winter sail]

My point is that we need new creatures that aren't flocks or "celebrity" creatures

[vital helm]

There are a ton of non-movie creatures people would love to have in the game.

[winter sail]

Like where the hell is carchar or saurophaganax

[simple trench]

Ok but once they get added, what would you want to see after that?

[vital helm]

There are also a bunch of wacky and different obscure creatures with likable design elements, Anurog being one of those examples.

[winter sail]

New creatures that possibly the younger audience don't know about since they weren't in the movie or forgotten ones like cerato or corytho

[vital helm]

Armadillosuchus, Cotylorhynchus, Simosuchus, Hesperornis, Daeodon, Megatherium, Carcharodontosaurus, Paleoloxodon, Simocyon, Ampleosaurus, and Gigantophis would all make for amazing additions to the game, lots of which people would like.

[winter sail]

Gastornis, dire wolf, cave lion, saurophaganax, and etc

[simple trench]

Those are both movie dinos

[simple trench]

That I can get behind

[simple trench]

Yes that too

[winter sail]

That's why I said forgotten ones. Should've been more specific

[simple trench]

Ludia usually has about 5-7 species an update. It could be as simple as Ludia adding Gastornis, Buck and Doe and the rest being hybrids. Buck and Doe don't have to be legendaries, just epics like most other movie dinos. The only future nonhybrid I could realistically see being a legendary is Asset 87.

Actually the next update is a great example of this. From what was shown in the datamine, they've got a new species and a new movie dino along with a supposed apex and new hybrids. I'm quite looking forward to all of those.

[winged glade]

Alright, fair enough. I will say though, that could also be because dominion released, and thus people downloaded the game, instead of dominion creatures were added, thus people downloaded the game.

[simple trench]

Yeah and that's fair. Say if Ludia didn't have a dominion update at that time though and had microraptors introduced instead of giga's, it probably wouldn't of been as appealing to play.

[winter sail]

This also happened when the game was introduced to the first time with fallen kingdom creatures being added with it

[simple trench]

I mean, I guess adding movie dinos is fair play now that the movie is over, either they'll flop or they won't.

Either way, I'm sure if Ludia adds something, they'll find a way to make a lot of money off it, celebrity or not celebrity.

[winter sail]

Fair enough like they did with pteranokyrie

[hard fulcrum]

Baby rhinos? There’s no baby rhino in the game?

This tbh. Doesn’t matter if there are Park creature haters. Ludia does things people don’t want anyway

Yes exactly. They would provide something new and the option for a legacy team. Skins don’t do that

^This👆

Ludia will make creatures far more busted than any Park Legacy creature. So you should have Park creatures that can keep up.

They’re already making things more busted than Rexy

They’re going to keep doing it. Adding in Park creatures would just be creature that could hopefully deal with them.

Except they won’t.

Yes! Just because it’s a Park creature doesn’t mean it has to be busted. People need to stop treating them like they’ll ruin the game. Because Ludia is going to make more broken creatures anyway.

👆

[weary mason]

lystrosuchus looks like 3 baby rhinos, it's a nickname

[hard fulcrum]

💯

[hard fulcrum]

👆

[hard fulcrum]

💯

[hard fulcrum]

Ther were only 3 Scoripuous in CC?

[hard fulcrum]

Someone please explain what flying rhinos have to do with Buck and Doe

[hard fulcrum]

This tbh. The statistics and fans are there. A nobody creature isn’t going to get players. A legacy dino as a creature not a skin will.

[hard fulcrum]

To me this seems like it would work very well as a balanced creature.

[hard fulcrum]

“World is more popular than park”. Actually no

[hard fulcrum]

Surprised by what?

[opal crescent]

Linda (Ludia's) stupidity

[hard fulcrum]

As in?

What did they do? That I’m unaware of?

[balmy terrace]

No it wouldn’t 💀

Do you not see what he gave it 💀

[atomic walrus]

Another case of you being incapable of reading, they didn’t say world is more popular than park, they said specific creatures from world are more popular than Buck and Doe

[opal crescent]

consider the current state of jwa

[versed gazelle]

Jurassic World is definitely more profitable right now than Jurassic Park

[opal crescent]

they 1. can't balance things 2. clearly don't seem to get the idea behind powercreep being bad 3. are just stupid

[versed gazelle]

Jurassic World made almost triple what The Lost World made in the box office

two random rexes from a movie 25 years ago are not that iconic

We already have a named Tyrannosaurus Rex, no need for two more

[atomic walrus]

Buck and Doe aren’t even names, they’re just a male and female Rex

[hard fulcrum]

Someone explain what a powercreep is.

Tyranizar you’re twisting facts to make JW seem better/more popular than JP
“JW made triple what JP made”. Consider that JP came out 2 decades prior and the human population was less. Also movie tickets costed less per ticket back then.

We also have 5 named velociraptors we didn’t need that could have just been the JP ones

Movie tickets now cost around 15-20 per person. Not the same as movie tickets 20 years ago.

JW is going to look better in comparison because tickets are more expensive. Also consider that 1) human population was less 2) Word would not have been as profitable if it didn’t market off of nostalgia from all those JP fans coming in.

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah Ludia will do it weather people want it or not. That’s how companies work.

[hard fulcrum]

Exactly. Adding in legacy animals gets the attention and hype they want. Adding in more rando hybrids won’t.

[hard fulcrum]

Exactly. Adding more rando hybrids and creatures would increase species diversity. But would not bring in the attention they want. If it doesn’t bring in the attention creators stop making it. Which means less publicity for Alive and the game shuts down like Ops

[simple trench]

Buck is pretty iconic, even mattel is making toys of it to this day, I mean it was the first t rex to ever get on to the Mainland with jr and then it reappeared at the end of dominion.

[hard fulcrum]

Wasn’t it the one who ate the dog?

Also someone explain what a power creep is.

[versed gazelle]

Why is this thread here if "Ludia will do it regardless"?

[simple trench]

If you're rooting for buck and doe to be added, shouldn't you know who they are? Lol

[rugged grail]

Because someone posted it as a suggestion and ludia doesn't have any reason to remove it, even if they'll never do it

[hard fulcrum]

I am asking because I haven’t seen the films in 5 years

[versed gazelle]

Titanic came out in the same year as JP2 and it made 3.5X the money so I don't think its a matter of population 😂

[hard fulcrum]

At the time it made 3x more

Meaning titanic was more successful than Lost World. However the World films didn’t come out the same years. But decades later. As such they are going to make more because as stated earlier rising prices due to greed from movie theaters. Plus fans of Park coming to watch it

[wraith marsh]

And this person was telling me I haven’t watched LW the other day. Bruh, they don’t even know who Buck is 🤣

[simple trench]

It's green, I wanna see a green t rex in the game

[hard fulcrum]

I should watch the Park trilogy again. It’s been 5 years

It’s always fun to make fun of people who can’t remember stuff perfectly.

Especially those with memory issues.

[wraith marsh]

You didn’t have a problem trying to call some of us haters and insulting us the other day

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah that’s the thing. I can’t chose what I do and don’t remember. I can literally forget what I’m doing while I’m doing it.

[wraith marsh]

Right, sure

[hard fulcrum]

Adhd, always good to go “yeah right” when talking to us about our memory.

[wraith marsh]

Whatever, not in the mood to get in a one sided debate with you

[hard fulcrum]

I’m not in the mood to be insulted by someone that doesn’t think people can forget what they do while doing it. Much less something for days or years ago.

[versed gazelle]

Well if movie tickets rise over time and fans of the previous movies come to watch the newer ones why did JP3 make half the money JP2 did?

[simple trench]

Maybe if you haven't seen a movie in 5 years, don't mention that the other person hasn't seen it in ages either.

[hard fulcrum]

I don’t know why but for some reason I thought Barney was green for a minute. And was like add Barney to the game.

[wraith marsh]

You’re not the only one with memory problems

[hard fulcrum]

Because Park fans would want to bring their friends and family along

Meaning more people. More tickets. More money.

You can’t deny the people who grew up with park contributed to a good portion of the tickets World got. Especially with all the nostalgia pandering the advertisements did.

What percent I don’t know. But it is a factor.

[versed gazelle]

But they didn't contribute to the portion of tickets JP3 got?

[hard fulcrum]

Depends? How much advertising did the 3rd Park film get compared to the first 2?

[crystal bough]

bro stop getting toxic, i just hopped in the thread and people are just mad at each other like wtf is wrong with y'all anger issues ok now that i skimmed this sh ima leave now you can reply with angry comments to me like the grumpy 5 year olds you are but i wont see so have a nice life o7 o7

[versed gazelle]

Idk but I can tell you that JP3 had a higher budget than JP2

[hard fulcrum]

I’m confused by this.

How much higher was the budget on 3 compared to LW?

[versed gazelle]

$18 million higher

[simple trench]

If you haven't seen a movie in 5 years, don't make fun of other people for not watching it

[vital helm]

God this is a thread about two rexes in a strategy battle game, why are so many unnecessary factors being brought up.

[hard fulcrum]

How much did 3 make compared to the second film?

[surreal owl]

Lol the budget and box office of individual JP and JW films is irrelevant. Realistically, I shouldn’t need a hundred reasons why Buck and Doe should be added to the game other than that I like how iconic their designs are. No one has ever asked Ludia for a complex justification as to why any other creature in the game was added.

[versed gazelle]

JP2: $618 million
JP3: $365 million

[vital helm]

Why does budget and sales of movies matter here lmao

[surreal owl]

Lol literally this^^

[versed gazelle]

I'm trying to argue that Buck and Doe are not iconic at all

[hard fulcrum]

They are iconic. Just not to you

[versed gazelle]

and they keep bringing up how much "players and money" it would bring to JWA

[hard fulcrum]

Iconic creatures bring in people. Random hybrids and creatures don’t.

The game ultimately will go for what brings in the most attention.

That’s how games work if they want to stay relevant and not rot like Park Builder did

[crystal bough]

ngl that is so true

[hard fulcrum]

What animal is more iconic than T. rex and velociraptor?

These two animals are a good way to near instantly bring in thousands/millions of attention.

[crystal bough]

if its a victim of roster blow at least let it live

[hard fulcrum]

Roster blow?

[crystal bough]

they just added apexes what else do think theyre gonna do

[vital helm]

Here's what I don't get

Say Ludia adds Tyrannosaurus Rex Gen 4 and Tyrannosaurus Rex Gen 5, but they are completely random rexes not from the franchise. They are both epic event exclusives and are both even better than Giganotosaurus. A few updates later they make the best hybrids in the game. Now everyone is upset because two random rexes have taken over the tournament and arena metas.

Now, say those rexes were Buck and Doe. Now everyone's happy for it? They get a pass because they showed up on the screen of a movie when they both take over the meta and continue killing the game?

[hard fulcrum]

I have no idea what powercreep or roster blow is

[versed gazelle]

Then they should add:

• THE Giganotosaurus
• Tiger + Panthera
• THE Brachiosaurus
• Ceratosaurus
• Spinoceratops
• THE Spinosaurus
• Toro
• Limbo + Chaos + Grim
  Before getting to Buck and Doe, because these are all much more iconic

They actually appeared this decade

[hard fulcrum]

They already added giganotosaurus and brachiosaurus

[versed gazelle]

no, a named Giganotosaurus and Brachiosaurus

[vital helm]

Powercreep is when stronger and stronger creatures continue to get added, leaving the older ones useless.

[versed gazelle]

Because clearly Rexy and Buck and Doe are so different

[hard fulcrum]

Isn’t the alive spinosaurus the P3 spinosaurus?

[crystal bough]

roster blow is when a game keeps adding more and more overpowered things until the game isn't fun anymore

[versed gazelle]

they have to add a named one

[hard fulcrum]

Except the T. rex from Lost World are more iconic than the atrociraptors or the CC baryonyx or toro.

[versed gazelle]

because its iconic and will bring a Jurassimillion dollars

[balmy terrace]

Lions and tigers

[hard fulcrum]

There are no named giganotosaur or brachiosaur in Jurassic?

[vital helm]

The Dominion Giga has a name

[versed gazelle]

Buck and Doe weren't named either

They're just, T.Rex Male and T.Rex Female

[balmy terrace]

Buck and doe are literally what they are, a Buck and a doe

[hard fulcrum]

Wait the giga does have a name?

[wraith marsh]

Rexy actually has a name. Rexy is a fan name

[crystal bough]

3 scorpios was a bad idea change my mind

[hard fulcrum]

Roberta

Yea 3 scorpious was unnecessary.

They’re near moveset clones. Inky different by rarity.

[vital helm]

Nvm I think it's a name given by fans

[balmy terrace]

It was Colin who gave it the name I thought

[surreal owl]

What I’ve been saying this whole time is that Ludia will use powercreep and OP dinosaurs as a way to generate revenue anyways. The problem you’re getting at exists but barring the inclusion of the Buck and Doe wont resolve it

[balmy terrace]

No, but it’ll cause an entirely new problem none of us want.

[hard fulcrum]

They’re going to do it anyway because they’re iconic. Then they’ll add in creatures way more broken after adding them.

[balmy terrace]

Not really

[versed gazelle]

Think about it this way:
Ludia will release broken and powercrept dinos no matter what.
So why should the new OP dinosaurs be T.Rex G4 and G5?
We should at least get new species like Daspletosaurus or Carcharodontosaurus because they aren't Rexy clones.

[vital helm]

I know it won't help. Powercreep will be inevitable. But I'd rather different creatures contribute to that than another large theropod or large theropod hybrid, because they consist of pretty much all the viable fierce aside from Imp.

[hard fulcrum]

We already have Carcharodontosaurus

[balmy terrace]

👆👆👆

[balmy terrace]

No we do not 🗿

[versed gazelle]

For real?

[hard fulcrum]

Yes we do already have a carchara

[balmy terrace]

No we don’t

Carchar isn’t even in the game 🗿

[vital helm]

I wish lmao. I'd love to have my favorite dino in the game.

[hard fulcrum]

Yes we do it’s that large black and yellowish striped one

[versed gazelle]

Thats Acrocanthosaurus

[vital helm]

You mean Acro 💀

[balmy terrace]

That’s acro 🗿🗿🗿

[hard fulcrum]

Hang on let me go check

[balmy terrace]

🗿

[hard fulcrum]

Oh it’s Acro

[surreal owl]

It’s not a zero sum game tho, why can’t we have both Buck and Doe and new theropods like Carchar and Daspleto? Yes I love Buck and Doe but I’d love to see Daspleto as well

[versed gazelle]

Recycling species will always be a waste of new creatures

[balmy terrace]

Because I’d rather not have a repeat version of what happened with Rexy, plain and simple.

I’d rather get powercrept by something else other than another Rex.

[surreal owl]

We had this exact same discussion yesterday. There’s a distinct possibility they’d be added in a manner similar to the Atrocis which you and I both agreed would be ok

[hard fulcrum]

That’s an other Charcharodontosaur and another Tyrannosaur

[vital helm]

Rexes have gotten so much traction literally everywhere. It gets tiresome.

[balmy terrace]

Still, we both know that’ll never happen.

[hard fulcrum]

It’s because Rex is the most iconic dino. Every dinosaur game abuses it.

If Rex and velociraptor wasn’t so popular they wouldn’t be 5 named veloci, 4 of which are useless.

[balmy terrace]

Huh

[surreal owl]

Alright so to be clear you don’t want Buck and Doe just because you don’t like Rexes?

[hard fulcrum]

It’s okay not to like T. rex. But not okay to say the icons of LW won’t be added.

[vital helm]

I like Rex, it's among my favorite theropods. But they don't need to be crammed everywhere possible.

[surreal owl]

Cuz if that’s the case then that’s the core of this entire argument. Almost all of us agree that paywalls and powercreep is an issue, it’s just that I like Rexes and want to see the legacy ones added and some of you guys don’t

[versed gazelle]

They have clear favourability over nonhybrids like Rexy, Ghost, Panthera(all extremely strong in their rarities) compared to other new dinos like Moros and and Oviraptor G2(extremely mid)

[simple trench]

Zeb is the official name I believe from Colin or sonething

[versed gazelle]

Beta literally got:

• Animations no other dino has
• Slow immunity + 133 speed
• 2 Signature Moves

[balmy terrace]

We all know Ludia is going to turn B&D into the next Rexy, which is something none of us want. That’s the entire point of our argument. Also, why waste space for Trex Gen 69 when we could get other theropod carnivores.

[hard fulcrum]

Zeb… I was expecting something else for the giga. I don’t know why.

If they can model beta, they can re model the Indominus.

[vital helm]

I don't want Buck and Doe because Ludia will see them as great targets for exclusivity and powercreep, and more than likely will make them Rexy clones. Other creatures, even if used the same way, have better potential for new playstyles, interesting designs, and overall providing something new.

[balmy terrace]

They literally took the original Blue model, and modified it a bit and turned it into beta.

[hard fulcrum]

They won’t be Rexy clones. What’s the use of making 2 new rexes just to be clones of another?

[balmy terrace]

🗿

[versed gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/counting-money-my-gif-24607607

Rexy was basically a Mortem Clone(but better)

[simple trench]

I kinda wish the creator of threads could turn comments off, I feel like everything added after UnicornWizard's first post is just useless at this point.💀

[versed gazelle]

so clearly they don't mind 😂

[hard fulcrum]

An absolute evasion mechanic could work for buck and doe. Considering they were lose in the city and no one saw them for a while.

[balmy terrace]

NO

[surreal owl]

Literally this 👆

[crystal bough]

take for example every single dominion creature sucks (no offense to people who use it), and everybody was like "wow! giga, moros, theri, etc." but after like a week everybody relealized
that they're just trash, my theory is ludia makes them underpowered on purpose so the game design is resistant to roster blow/powercreep. ultimately, new movie dinosaurs make fans happy for existing in the game but nobody uses them and they are cracked or anth. and i'd say based on a lot of teams, i think indom and indo are one of the worst of their rarity. This ultimately leads to resistance to dying out from too many simlarities to other jw games (such as jw tg, in which indom and indo or rlly good), so they have room for more special creatures that stand out, therefore neutralizes the fan base rivalry between alive and tg. And if alive has special creatures like buck and doe and tg doesn't, people have a more broad variety of reasons to comtemplate between games. Ultimately my point is buck and doe are truly iconic, but... what's the point?

[hard fulcrum]

Especially from everyone hating on adding them in.

[simple trench]

Only Buck was in the city, Doe was still on Isla Sorna

[versed gazelle]

We should just leave it to the above vote

[balmy terrace]

We’re not just blatantly hating, we’re bringing up good points as to why they shouldn’t be added in. Plus this is coming from a guy who said Rexy needs cleanse and isn’t OP 💀💀💀

[vital helm]

Oh my God no one is hating on them. Just because we have a different opinion from yours doesn't mean we're incorrect or hating on anything.

[hard fulcrum]

Which is biased from being restricted to the server. The server is not the whole fan/player base.

[simple trench]

Yeah but the above vote only includes a total of 51 people, which is absolutely no where close to the total jwa playerbase

[atomic walrus]

Or morons who know next to nothing about the game

[versed gazelle]

This server IS part of the JWA playerbase so really you should just multiply

[simple trench]

Mmmmm, doesn't work like that

[crystal bough]

ima leave now this is getting boring

[balmy terrace]

Also, @hard fulcrum you never gave the statistics and evidence of “millions” of people joining the game because of Buck and doe as you claimed. Where are the stats of that 🤔🤔

[simple trench]

Not everyone is the same, so

[hard fulcrum]

This server isn’t the entire alive player base. Also moron is kind of an ableist term.

[balmy terrace]

.

[versed gazelle]

Jurassic World Alive had 25 million downloads in 2021 so we just scale up to:

• 17 million 🚫 VS 8 million 👍

[balmy terrace]

Stop dodging the question bruh

[hard fulcrum]

ProC already elaborated that Buck and Doe are popular. Literally backread to when they showed YouTube videos.

[balmy terrace]

A YouTube video doesn’t show anything.

[atomic walrus]

And those videos showed Rexy and Beta, that proves nothing lmao

[simple trench]

What are you expecting?

[hard fulcrum]

Why separate 25 into 17 and 8?

[simple trench]

Like tell him how exactly he can prove it to you

[balmy terrace]

We have no idea how many of those viewers are A. Already existing players B. People who don’t play the game, but just wanted to watch or C. Casual players

[balmy terrace]

He made the claim saying “millions of people will play the game because of B&D” yet shows 0 evidence of that

[hard fulcrum]

Both of you missing the point of that statement by miles.

[simple trench]

I'm working with the best I've got, "millions of people" definitely an overestimate I will say though

[surreal owl]

Yes, this is a perfect example of biased sampling. A lot of ppl on this discord would prob be in favour of adding Buck and Doe but the only ones who are posting/reacting are those who are either extremely for or extremely against adding them

As ProC already said, there’s no definitive way to prove the popularity of Buck and Doe, but patterns on mass media platforms like YT are a good indicator

[hard fulcrum]

It’s an expression to show that something is effective. It’s a common phrase.

[balmy terrace]

.

[hard fulcrum]

Don’t people use that expression anymore?

[simple trench]

Tiger Man, I don't know what you're asking us to provide you with that's actually possible to provide, besides the stuff we've already shown.

[vital helm]

Maybe don't use it if you're trying to give evidence as to why they should be added, or you could've at least said it was a hyperbole.

[winter sail]

what happened here. I leave for just 30 minutes and stuff goes on in this thread

[balmy terrace]

If he’s going to make a claim such as that, he better back it up with evidence.

[versed gazelle]

Why would these Buck and Doe enthusiasts not post or react?

[balmy terrace]

Otherwise it’s just bs

[versed gazelle]

Its possible they just don't exist

[hard fulcrum]

Exactly. Social media trends show that when Rexy and the raptors we’re added the content about the game but a boost

[simple trench]

Well apparently "millions of people joining" is an expression, but I can say it wouldn't bring that many in, no where close, but could still bring people in.

[hard fulcrum]

Buck and Doe fans do exist. Just because Alvie social media is focused on dominion doesn’t mean we don’t exist.

[simple trench]

Because they're not enthusiasts maybe? However if they were asked to vote on an official poll asking "Would you like Buck and Doe to be added", it is possible they could vote yes?

[versed gazelle]

Then once again, we should add Toro, JP3 Spino, Dominion Giga, JP Brachiosaurus, Toro, Limbo Chaos and Grim, Panthera and Tiger BEFORE Buck and Doe

[simple trench]

As long as we're getting movie/series related species then I'm happy.

[balmy terrace]

It’s not solely focused on dominion. I myself am a Buck and doe fan, but even I’m saying there will be major problems with their inclusion.

[versed gazelle]

That poll title is unfair because it implies all or nothing.
A better poll would ask "Would you like Buck and Doe or Carcharodontosaurus and Ceratosaurus?"

[simple trench]

Well this is exactly what this thread is, isn't it? Do you want Buck and Doe or not?

[versed gazelle]

We don't

[simple trench]

Exactly

So what's the problem with making an official one asking "yes or no" "do you want buck and doe?"

[balmy terrace]

My biggest question is, how would they change the kits for Buck and doe to make it not an exact replica of Rexy, or any other fierce 🗿
Do y’all not think of this stuff

Oh yeah, let’s give it a roar and a few rampages. All good!

[versed gazelle]

For the average JWA player to want Buck and Doe they would need to:

• Know who Buck and Doe is
• Consider Rexy a good addition to the game
• Assume that Buck and Doe would be better than the alternative 2 dinos

[balmy terrace]

Totally original!!

[hard fulcrum]

They can be added without being Rexy clones pre broken. They could be a chance to bring something new into the game.

[simple trench]

Why do they have to be meta creatures though? Can they not just be simple epics that go into hybrids or whatever. Who cares about the kit.

[balmy terrace]

Again, we know damn well that isn’t going to happen.

[versed gazelle]

Literally an impossible thing for Ludia to do

[vital helm]

Yeah, I feel like no one is talking about what they would do in the actual game they're from and instead talking about less important factors.

[versed gazelle]

I would rather they drop the most useless hybrid fodder than another OP epic event exclusive

[hard fulcrum]

Ludia’s going to do it eventually. Question is how?

[balmy terrace]

Because for one, they’re Creatures mostly everyone knows. Rexy for example got milked so hard and became a P2W joke, and busted Dino. This will most likely happen with Buck and doe.

[versed gazelle]

We don't know because we don't work for Ludia

[vital helm]

You just asked for Compsoraptor to be buffed so I honestly have no idea what your definition of broken is

[hard fulcrum]

P2W?

[balmy terrace]

Again, if they get hybrids as well, we’re going to get more Rex hybrids which nobody wants

[simple trench]

So why didn't it happen with something, like say Beta?

[balmy terrace]

Compsoraptor

[simple trench]

You dont want

[vital helm]

It did though...

[balmy terrace]

Yeah let me rephrase

*Hybrids that will repetitively use Rex and most likely velociraptor dna.

[versed gazelle]

You know Beaver's fanbase is full of kids who probably never watched the original movies

[balmy terrace]

I’m going to take a gamble that most of those votes are children from between the ages of 7-12

[hard fulcrum]

How do you know the fan base is mostly kids?

[versed gazelle]

They saw "Indominus" and "Scorpius Rex" and a neuron in their brain activated to vote for the creature

[balmy terrace]

Analytics 🗿

[vital helm]

Looking in the comment sections lmao

[simple trench]

Majority of my fanbase are in their 20-30's, actual children are probably sitting on YouTube kids or something.

[balmy terrace]

Probably on their parents phone then.

[versed gazelle]

go to any beaver video and check comments by new and you can see for yourself

[simple trench]

Yes, I'm sure there is a ton of people aged 24 having children

[vital helm]

There are a ton of kids that don't use YouTube Kids

[balmy terrace]

Actually there is

I know lots of people who are parents in their mid twenties

[hard fulcrum]

And there are plenty that aren’t.

[versed gazelle]

20-30 year olds look like this⁉️

[balmy terrace]

All it takes is one look at the comment section to know that there are a wide majority of children watching the video

[simple trench]

Don't most kids have their own phones these days anyway?

[hard fulcrum]

The comment section doesn’t immensely give you someone’s age. That’s bad assumptions.

[balmy terrace]

-Grammar
-Name
-How the comment is written

[hard fulcrum]

People go online to be immature all the time. It’s really not a good way to say “yes there this old their comments tell me so”.

[simple trench]

Ok you grabbed 6 people commenting, what about all of those who aren't attention seeking kids not wanting to comment?

[versed gazelle]

have you considered that plently of people put their age above their real age?

[balmy terrace]

Again, I’ll take a gamble and say that a wide majority of those viewers are kids on their parents phone.

[balmy terrace]

This.

[versed gazelle]

31% of your fanbase is literally old enough to have kids and not a single one comments

[surreal owl]

ProC has said nothing but facts backed up with actual evidence. Everything you’ve said against his arguments are points you’ve selectively chosen to somehow overturn the statistics that ProC (the owner of his channel) has provided

[hard fulcrum]

There’s also plenty who don’t lie about their age.

[balmy terrace]

Kids lie about their age lots of times.

[hard fulcrum]

Just because you don’t comment doesn’t mean you’re not an adult. It’s not that deep.

[simple trench]

So by this information, I guess we can assume everyone who comments is just a kid anyway.

I'm an adult, but hey no I comment on people's videos so I'm a child

[hard fulcrum]

I’m 22 and I don’t comment on any videos.

Guess that means I’m lying about being able to legally drive.

[versed gazelle]

Okay. Here's my evidence:

[hard fulcrum]

Fake News

[balmy terrace]

Again, taking a quick look at the grammar, I think it’s a pretty obvious who the kids are.

[versed gazelle]

"More than 80% of children lie about their age to use sites like Facebook" on The Guardian

[hard fulcrum]

Grammar is not indicative of age.

[vital helm]

God this ain't even about Buck and Doe anymore, the more this thread continues the more useless each argument gets.

[hard fulcrum]

There’s people with disabilities, dialects, learners. Grammars isn’t everything.

[simple trench]

I've got a lot of people from other countries using translators as well.

[balmy terrace]

What adult uses grammar such as this

[hard fulcrum]

There’s people with disabilities, dialects, learners, translators, etc.

[balmy terrace]

This is literally how I typed when I was 11

[simple trench]

I didn't, I must've been an adult my whole life😱

[hard fulcrum]

And that doesn’t mean you can judge people over their “improper” language.

[versed gazelle]

Not all kids type like this, but all people who type like this are kids

[hard fulcrum]

Tiger at this point is either a troll. Or actively trying to start something.

[balmy terrace]

Brb, let me make a grammar thread so we can argue on there 👍

[versed gazelle]

The first person might be a non-english speaker but thats it

[simple trench]

I've had so many people say they were using translators who talk like this.

[hard fulcrum]

Grammar isn’t everything. Would you learn that?

[balmy terrace]

I’m the troll?? Bro you legit said Rexy needs cleanse, let’s not play silly buggers here 💀💀💀

[vital helm]

They asked to buff Compsoraptor earlier too lol

[hard fulcrum]

Insisting grammar is a cause to judge people’s age isn’t accurate.

[simple trench]

I mean at least the thread is entertaining if nothing else.

[balmy terrace]

True

[hard fulcrum]

Insisting grammar is how you can judge people is so hilariously wrong.

[versed gazelle]

This is just how kids type on youtube

You wanna tell me a middle-aged man sat down and wrote "Omg omg"

[hard fulcrum]

We’re you listening when I made a list of things that can also cause “bad grammar”?

[opal crescent]

TGB's audience are so obviously mostly consisted of kids

[hard fulcrum]

^

[balmy terrace]

I mean, I can just go and ask Beaver now 🤷‍♂️

[pearl epoch]

ProC#2026 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[opal crescent]

not all of them type but it's clear a lot of the fanbase are

[simple trench]

Yeah sure thing

[versed gazelle]

moderation here sucks

[balmy terrace]

Yeah, I’m fully aware and read this. But still, a wide majority of his fan base are kids

[opal crescent]

17+ server and can't swear
lol

[balmy terrace]

The mods ban swearing, yet let an active pedo play their game and hurt people in JWA. 10/10 game

[simple trench]

I just realised this isn't even about buck and doe anymore, it's just a debate on whether children make up most of our audiences lol

[hard fulcrum]

What

[balmy terrace]

This is seriously what they protecting us from 💀💀💀

[opal crescent]

it's a long story

[hard fulcrum]

DM me

[versed gazelle]

Children make up most of the audience -> Audience has no knowledge of Buck and Doe -> Buck and Doe are forced to be OP event exclusives to make money

[opal crescent]

okay

[versed gazelle]

I literally did not know about Buck and Doe before this thread

[vital helm]

I got a 24 hour timeout because of a meme of someone pranking their roommate by putting an item used to prevent reproduction in their cake.

This server is literally a kindergarten classroom.

[simple trench]

I mean children aren't necessarily going to be voting on the jwa poll if the game is 17+ though

And if they are, well then people are voting for buck and doe to be added, big woop🤷‍♂️

[balmy terrace]

Again, there’s no way to restrict the polls to verify your age. My 7 year old cousin could just go there and vote right now without any trouble 🤷‍♂️

[versed gazelle]

The game isn't 17+, this server is(and lets be real there are plenty of kids here)

[simple trench]

Yeah I'm sure there are a couple in this thread that are under 17 lol

[winter sail]

can we just change the name of this thread bc this thread is no longer about Buck and Doe

[balmy terrace]

“WW3: JWA edition” is more fitting

[hard fulcrum]

To be honest I don’t think there’s a way to check how old someone on discord is.

[winter sail]

yeah ngl

[simple trench]

Ludia is going to need to start IDing people💀

[hard fulcrum]

Grammar certainly isn’t a way to determine the a discord user.

[balmy terrace]

Server members after they do so: 📉📉📉📉📉

[vital helm]

This server is like Twitter. Terrible place but it's the main one so we kinda have to stick with it.

[versed gazelle]

you guys aren't that bad

[winter sail]

tbh I seen worst

[vital helm]

But the moderation 💀

[balmy terrace]

Let’s just put all of this aside for a second before we go back to arguing, someone legit said Compsoraptor is balanced in one of the threads, and asked it gets full immunity. 🤡

[simple trench]

Most normal discord thread right here

[vital helm]

And let's not talk about the first few days of this server...

[opal crescent]

the server residents are fine imo
but the moderation
to be quite frank and brutally honest
they're a joke

[hard fulcrum]

Who would ask for any creature to have full immunity to everything?

[balmy terrace]

Ludia mods: protects us from swearing

Also Ludia mods: muted people for being off topic

[hard fulcrum]

What happened the first few days?

[balmy terrace]

Hell. Just hell

[opal crescent]

hell isn't enough to describe it

[vital helm]

The meme channel was the worst

[balmy terrace]

WW69

Bro the edits some people made 💀💀💀💀

[opal crescent]

yeah remember when literal porn was posted

[versed gazelle]

They didn't know how to mute people for the first three hours(and for a while there was no slowmode) so it was just crazy spam in general

[hard fulcrum]

Well I mean they seem to have a bot doing all their moderation now. So.

[balmy terrace]

They legit were the worst 💀💀💀

[balmy terrace]

Too bad the bot sucks 🤡

[hard fulcrum]

What. 😀

[balmy terrace]

“Hey no capital letters!”

[winter sail]

replacing forums with a discord server was totally the best idea

[balmy terrace]

On the forums, I could laugh at the idiots
On the discord, I had to speak with them

[hard fulcrum]

Forums?

[opal crescent]

yeah

[versed gazelle]

This really says a lot about society....

[winter sail]

There was even a forum that asked Spyx to be nerfed. One of the most balanced uniques

[hard fulcrum]

I know my space better than what a forum is.

[versed gazelle]

A historical screenshot from D-Day on the JWA server

[hard fulcrum]

Dude it’s literally just capital letters. Mee6 is stupid.

[vital helm]

I bet we're all eventually gonna get banned from this place because we're too used to language we use in other servers that have an even younger age requirement lmao.

[hard fulcrum]

Plus so many things use abbreviation with caps. It’s honestly stupid.

[opal crescent]

I have mee6 blocked because it pings and dms people all the time, and it's in SO many servers I'm in

[hard fulcrum]

Same

[winter sail]

Ludia thought mee6 was the best bot suited for this server

[hard fulcrum]

It’s honestly not.

There’s millions of other bots they could have chosen. Again “this is an expression” look it up.

[versed gazelle]

I got put in time out because I posted a meme that showed Ludia in a negative light

[opal crescent]

mee6 is just one of the most popular discord bots, better ones are more obscure

[hard fulcrum]

The best ones are the ones few people know about.

[opal crescent]

they were offended over that when there was a whole thread on their forums for that?

[balmy terrace]

Alright, back to arguing about Buck and doe

[versed gazelle]

I think we've said everything about Buck and Doe

[hard fulcrum]

Why did they make a discord if they don’t know how to mod it. I learned it took 2 days to figure out basic commands when the server was new.

[winter sail]

it's ludia what do you really expect from them

[hard fulcrum]

Fair

[vital helm]

I don't even think the mods here are from Ludia

[balmy terrace]

I’d say they are.

[simple trench]

Yeah can we not, let's just say we met in the middle ground and can agree to disagree. We've had our fun lol.

[balmy terrace]

Sure.

[vital helm]

Pretty sure they're from JamCity.

[opal crescent]

Closing statements on the Buck and Doe thing:
Should they be added? No.
Will they probably? It's not impossible.
Will they be a money making scheme? Highly likely.

[versed gazelle]

Final Statement: Ludia does not care what we think

[balmy terrace]

Will they be broken af? Yes

[opal crescent]

True.
To both of those statements.

[hard fulcrum]

Honestly we don’t know what Ludia is going to do because it’s not very open about it’s plans.

[simple trench]

Yep I think that's fair, either they'll be added or they won't. Whatever Ludia chooses.

[vital helm]

Other than the once-every-two-month community updates that always have amazing news that turn out to be mediocre at best.

[opal crescent]

The most we get are community updates (which Vapor just said as I'm typing this) that are inconsistent, and the word they don't want us saying but GamePress does anyway and they know they do, if you know you know

[vital helm]

They aren't inconsistent really, they just have terrible execution. They said they were gonna buff old creatures, then they give everything except Nodotitan, Trago, and Dilorach useless buffs and the ones that did get buffed are now stalling nuisances.

[opal crescent]

oh yeah and the word Ludia does not want us saying aren't even from them so that's a moot point

[hard fulcrum]

General suggestion. They should be more open to the players what their plans afe

Don’t promise stuff and then have it be a let down because there was a lack of transparency.

[versed gazelle]

They should put me in charge

My first order of business would be to nerf Rexy

[ornate ridge]

thanks, i try to make my designs balanced:)

[ornate ridge]

what part of what i gave it is actually broken (for a level 26 epic creature*) their abilities are not super over powered, their stats are pretty well balanced, and despite having their own unique abilities, none of what they have serves to make them nearly as broken as rexy. Each one is designed to feel like a unique dino with its own niche as opposed to a carbon copy of other rexes that we already have.

[balmy terrace]

Crit ambush, fierce strike on escape, being a flock in general. Big no no

[ornate ridge]

the spinosaurus exists in my opinion, its just not an individual named specemin like blue/rexy... i agree with you that they should add the cerato and spinoceratops, but the rest most certainly are not iconic enough... the brach? which brach? the one that died in fallen kingdom? (that was the first brach from the original jurassic park) sure that was an iconic dino. toro was identifiable due to his facial scar, but i would not use the term iconic to describe him. Same with limbo, chaos, and grim... if your argument is that these dinos are more iconic than the legacy dinos, your just plain wrong... And buck and doe did appear in the latest movie, they were the two rexes that rexy met at the end of dominion.

[ornate ridge]

if they were a normal flock with 3 members i would agree, but a dual flock without revival is 2 hitable, its not really a significant advantage.

also, the individual versions of buck/doe i made are also viable options, the flock was just an idea:P

1 nulify or resilient attack cancels out the ambush, and at level 26, its pretty easy to do enough to drop 1/2 the flock in 1 attack... They will be locked down for 2 turns after swapping in, without a cleanse to escape, which means that if they utilize that ability, they are going to be fighting to the death... Id say thats self balancing... They have weaknesses and ways to counter them, and dont have the same advantages other smaller flocks have for the obvious reason that they are tyrannosaurs, and are meant to hit hard and take a few hits in return.

as for the fierce strike on escape, it was actually inspired by the description i gave them... its not excessively broken, i mean if you want to go there look at titanoboa and tell me how a fierce strike comes close to broken:P

[versed gazelle]

Titanoboa's on escape doesn't bypass any defensive abilities so its not that hard to escape

[ornate ridge]

a basic ability on hit* vs a rampage on hit... thats the issue

[versed gazelle]

I think the flock Buck and Doe is too strong for an epic nonhybrid

[ornate ridge]

ive been reworking it because i came to that conclusion as well

thinking cutting the attack to 1600 (from 1650) and reducing the crit to 25% from 30

[versed gazelle]

The regular Doe is probably the most balanced one, not a bad suggestion at all. As for the Buck I wouldn't give it a move similar to Dominant Roar because that would be way too strong for an epic. Critical Ambush is also very weird

[ornate ridge]

i was playing off the idea i had where they would hunt as a team, making the male the speedier ambusher while the female is the stronger more aggressive hunter:P

their stats also reflect that:P

[hard fulcrum]

who ping me?

[ornate ridge]

probably me:P

as far as the dominant roar varient goes, i figured if we cut the speed boost and change it to distracting the enemy, it would actually be a little less broken... the biggest issue for rexy is how damn fast she gets... the buck i designed wouldnt be nearly as fast or strong

[hard fulcrum]

spinoceratops, you mean angel and rebel?

[ornate ridge]

omg i forgot they were named! i love it

[hard fulcrum]

This

Wait a minute if they are adding every dino that showed up in dominion, then they'll end up added because they were in Dominion. Guys we overlooked this

[ornate ridge]

your welcome ❤️

[balmy terrace]

I doubt it.

They had literally 5 seconds of screen time, doubt that’s enough to warrant them being in game.

I think the only one overlooking this is you

[hard fulcrum]

"5 seconds of screen time, doubt that’s enough to warrant them being in game."
Have you met Ludia? Clearly you haven't

[balmy terrace]

Yes, I have.

[hard fulcrum]

Ludia has made far stranger decisions

[ornate ridge]

that 5 seconds of screentime has massive ramifications for the future though:P it means rexy has reunited with a few of her sorna siblings, and is most likely going to join them as a larger rex pack... that was not an aggressive meeting...

[balmy terrace]

Like?

[hard fulcrum]

Like staritng a sever with no mod skills

[balmy terrace]

That has nothing to do with the game

[hard fulcrum]

The server is game realted

[hard fulcrum]

What if they were her parents? Or one was a sibling?

[balmy terrace]

Still has nothing to do with the game itself in terms of creatures being added

[ornate ridge]

agreed tiger, just stating that the 5 seconds of screen time were important for the future of rexy ❤️

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah had it been agressive there would have been hissing and agressive body language

[hard fulcrum]

they added in creatures that only appeared for 1 scene before

[balmy terrace]

Oh boy 🤦‍♂️

[versed gazelle]

its still an instant 2475 damage, same issue as Rexy but not as crazy T2(since it doesnt speed up)

so it'll end with a Fierce(Buck) beating Cunning creatures

[hard fulcrum]

Maybe nerf the damage to 2000 then?

What if they weren't Fierce creatures? WHat if they were wildcard?

[balmy terrace]

Yeah, just stop.

Before you start another argument, everyone just shut up. Don’t return here.

[hard fulcrum]

Could a wildcard rex work?

[versed gazelle]

it could, not if Ludia made it though

[hard fulcrum]

"you start another argument" says the guy who argued with Poc and Unicorn with biased statistics, then went on about grammar. To justify Rex and Velociraptor not being good for the game. Refusing to listen to arguments anyone was making. That they do in fact bring in the attention keeping the game from fading.

[ornate ridge]

so i just reworked the buck solo i made, i modified its roar to make it a little bit more balanced imo, lmk what you think. also keep in mind it only has an impact... it doesnt have a rampage whatsoever.

that is compared to the first version here

[hard fulcrum]

The new cunning type definitely seems right for an ambush move

[ornate ridge]

that was my thought as well

[balmy terrace]

You’re speaking as if they were completely in the right. Lol

[ornate ridge]

tiger is that roar a little better now that its not instant?

[balmy terrace]

Sure, I guess

I’d just take off the “reduce damage”

[ornate ridge]

ok, good:) figured by scaling back the length of the distract and cutting the instant as well as nerfing its attack, it would balance out

[versed gazelle]

yeah thats much better

[ornate ridge]

i mean i get why your saying it, but the idea behind the roar is that it would be intimidating its adversary and reducing damage seemed like a good way to make that move feel like it should:P increase attack, decrease enemy attack:P

[hard fulcrum]

cunnings reduce damage though? maybe give it 1 attack that does that? or a precise attack

[ornate ridge]

i mean i could cut the decrease attack from it, turn it back to a fierce type, but that would just make it feel like any other rex, which is what i dont want:P

if im going to make a new creation, i dont want it to feel like a carbon copy of the gen 1/2 rex or a rexy clone

[balmy terrace]

Wait but it has all fierce moves, besides the swap which imo isn’t needed.

[hard fulcrum]

yeah, fierce strike could be replaced with a cunning move

[balmy terrace]

Know what, you do you lol. Enjoy

[hard fulcrum]

replacing an entire fierce moveset to a mix of cunning and fierce isn't terrible. no reason on being impudent on everything I and others you don't agree with say.

[ornate ridge]

reworked the female as well heres the new version

and the old

seeing as people were complaining about the fierce strike on escape i changed it to a no escape strike which also feels reasonable, and i modified the mommys very angry ability to be less broken (increased cooldown and decreased duration of the boost). combined with also lowering her health and attack by 100 each, i think shes a bit more balanced.

[versed gazelle]

No Escape Strike is literally stronger than Fierce Strike On Escape

Mommy's Very Angry isn't OP at all so it should lose the delay

[ornate ridge]

no escape strike does not bypass defenses, wasnt that the problem? also i have made things much worse:P

[vital helm]

No Escape Strike applies Ferocity so it's essentially an impact.

[versed gazelle]

it swap prevents and also applies ferocity

1.5X lockdown strike > 1X Shattering Strike

you should post them in #creature-suggestions

[ornate ridge]

ima be reworking them again lol, ive spotted several mistakes and things that do need correcting, but yeah i will:)

[ornate ridge]

latest revisions are posted in creature suggestions if anyones interested:)

[wraith marsh]

The dead horse here keeps getting beaten i see

[ornate ridge]

its still twitching

[wraith marsh]

I have doubts they’ll add Spinoceratops as it would go against the secrecy of Mantacorp in the show but Ludia could break the story there cause why not I guess.

[surreal owl]

concepts for Buck and Doe, each with a unique mechanic that makes them stand out from the other chompers

[crystal bough]

thats pretty good

why epic tho

nvm

[hard fulcrum]

What if a move that forcibly swaps out the opponent?

[raven turtle]

Why not

Kyrie has it

[hard fulcrum]

Yeah it needs more utilization.

Either that or a resistance to being force swap.

[warm needle]

They should both get their revenge moves taken off, makes them a bit busted

Revenge shattering devastation with 1 cool down and instant 75% ferocious and guaranteed crit with a swap on tanky 1900 damage dinos is not a good thing

[hard fulcrum]

I never really understood the point of revenge moves other than higher damage and less cooldown.

[warm needle]

They're a nice mechanic, just these ones are a little broken

[atomic walrus]

Trebax has Revenge Nullifying Rampage, so on revenge it can use it immediately instead of having to wait a turn, very handy in some situations

Albertocevia’s Distracting Revenge Blow is 1.5x attack that reduces the opponent’s damage by 50%, whereas on revenge, it’s a 2x attack that reduces damage by 100%

[balmy terrace]

This is too much for an epic imo.

[weary mason]

Gotta agree, they have too much hp, the revenge moves are busted, specifically frenzy rampage and intimidation, and sp immunity on doe is unnesessary

[balmy terrace]

Keep in mind lmao, these people are asking for “balanced Buck and doe” yet make those as concepts 😂😂

[hard fulcrum]

Then make them legendaries if they’re too busted for an epic

Also revenge moves tend to be broken so remove the revenge or modify it.

[wraith marsh]

They’d be too busted no matter the rarity

[vital helm]

That just makes them even more similar to Rexy

[hard fulcrum]

Well they need something to keep up with all the busted uniques ludia puts out

[warm needle]

Nonhybrid epics/legendaries aren't supposed to keep up with broken uniques

[wraith marsh]

There’s only like one broken unique right now and its CompyR

Adding stuff that’s OP to fight OP dinos is called Powercreep

[warm needle]

I'd argue that almost every recent unique is broken but they just get buried with powercreep, giganyx is clearly broken with so much health,speed and damage combined with distraction resistance but it's not even that good anymore

[hard fulcrum]

I meant to say all the broken hybrids ludia is making

[wraith marsh]

It gets hard to tell the difference with how deep the powercreep goes 😆

[warm needle]

I'd say something like antven or gemini is a good example of a balanced unique

[surreal owl]

Tryko is the barometer for balance, he has been for the first two years of the game… after that, everything created above tryko’s power level is powercreep

[warm needle]

I feel Like Gemini is a Bit outdated

[surreal owl]

Back when Tryko was tyrant, the game was prob the most balanced it’s ever been

[warm needle]

Yeah after the Dodge rework was a pretty good Meta I'd say

[hard fulcrum]

Tryko?

[warm needle]

Trykosaurus

The first unique and the record holder for longest stay in tyrant

[hard fulcrum]

oh Ankylo-Trex

[winter sail]

I am pretty sure that both tryko and erlidom were the first. But tryko remained tyrant the longest

[surreal owl]

Buck and Doe reimagined as mixed class chompers

[warm needle]

Just give Buck the daring strike that already exists and don't put any distraction on the rampage, maybe 50% on revenge but no more also nerf its health and damage a little

Replace revenge shield advantage with definite shield advantage on Doe and replace bleed and rend resistance with 75-100% vulnerable resistance and don't give it 75% damage increase either, needs a small health nerf as well

[hard fulcrum]

Force Swap out is a cool mechanic

Heal Block would also bee a cool mechanic

[hard fulcrum]

They could work as either epic or legendary. Because they are legacy creatures like Rexy.

[warm needle]

At least make them epic, we don't need 3 rexys in one tournament

[hard fulcrum]

They don't have to be exact moveset/skillset clones

[surreal owl]

Yeah having Buck and Doe as epics would probably be a better idea… exclusive legendaries can’t be grinded without buying incs in the shop, but even if Buck and Doe are exclusive (as many seem to believe they will be), epic DNA can be grinded thru events and sanctuaries

Would also freshen epic tourneys since viable fierce options are limited rn

[warm needle]

They would be exclusive, there's literally no doubt about that. I do agree that epic is lacking in fierces though, you've got giga and then the closest things after that are half resilients like dimo and panda

[paper valve]

sorry but i’m personally tired of any variant of rex being added.

[hard fulcrum]

Dimo?

[vital helm]

Dimodactylus

[warm needle]

I can almost guarantee you that both of them would have some kind of devour move(probably rampage) a variant of roar and then 2 other shattering moves, unless they give them both their own unique move aside from the roar clone they'll get

[hard fulcrum]

Just because they could make 3 creatures moveset/skillset clones does not mean it is a decision that they will do. For all we know they'll end up useful in completely different formats.

[warm needle]

They could but that wouldn't make much money and take more effort than copy and pasting rexy, then altering it a little. At the end of the day Ludia would be the ones making these things and they're not going to listen to all of the balanced suggestions the community has

[hard fulcrum]

Doesn't mean they won't make them different distinct creatures

I don't have much faith in Jam, but I do have faith they won't make them exact clones

[surreal owl]

Well with Rexy now wild, it seems that Buck and Doe can be added into the wild dinosaur pool 🦖🦖

[warm needle]

Four wild legendarys would be pretty annoying tbh

[hard fulcrum]

Maybe in 2023 or 24 they’ll add in the Park stars since they finish World and CC in 22.

[hard fulcrum]

Who says they have to be legendarios

[surreal owl]

Never said they would be legendaries… as many have pointed out, they’d be better suited as epics in the same line as most named creatures, i.e. Blue, Beta, Atroci squad, etc.

[balmy sky]

Buck, doe, and Junior were the secondary cause of chaos in JP 2
JP3 spino is the only creature that has trounced 2 trexes and killed one. Meanwhile, the Atrociraptors were plot points and minor antagonists. Therefore I conclude that they should both be added

[warm needle]

I never said I supported the atrociraptors being added

There's nothing we can do about them, no one could've stopped ludia. We could maybe get them to wait longer before adding any more movie dinos though

Like I've said they should add all the movie species that aren't in yet and make all the remaining variants skins on the regular species that already exist

[hard fulcrum]

Wait the Spino fought 3 rex? I thought it was only one?

[hard fulcrum]

I don’t think anything would stop or even slow down Ludia from adding in movie creatures.

[hard fulcrum]

Who says they can’t do both? Add in movie creatures while adding in the other movie creatures.

Making all the world creatures their own creature and making the park ones just skins is blatant favoritism. Plus won’t produce as much potential for new hybrids and mechanics.

[vital helm]

How, the park creature species are already in the game so they get the same treatment. If anything the park creatures get more treatment because they have skins on top of their own species being in the game.

[warm needle]

I don't agree with all of the creatures from the world series their own things instead of skins, we could have just had atrociraptor and 4 skins for it but the atrociraptors at least have unique movesets compared to other movie creatures

[hard fulcrum]

Discord refuses to jump me to messages so I have to scroll to get here

[hard fulcrum]

No the park models aren’t. The creatures maybe but not the models.

[warm needle]

And rexy is also a park creature and by far the strongest movie addition ever made

[hard fulcrum]

The park creatures being skins instead of their own things is not the same treatment or more treatment as you claim.

[vital helm]

Well JW only has their new species and two new Gen 2s, there is no favoritism involved whatsoever.

[hard fulcrum]

That reminds me Rexy needs a feathered skin for the dominion prologue

[vital helm]

4 Atrociraptors being added and a 7th or 8th Velociraptor not being added isn't favoritism.

[hard fulcrum]

What? Their own species and two gen 2? Elaborate because that sentence made no sense.

The dominion creatures like Ovi and Quetz got to be their own creatures, instead of skins for existing creatures. Ergo by that logic Ludia will do the same for park. It’s also probably what Ludia will do anyway.

They better not add in a 5th atroci though. Because their “attociraptor” models that aren’t the names ones are gos awful.

[vital helm]

That's a Gen 2, not 8 of the same creature

[hard fulcrum]

Velociraptor and T. rex are the franchise mascots you know Universal and Ludia always capitalizes on them

[vital helm]

What does the game gain from another Rex or Velociraptor

[hard fulcrum]

One that’s not named

A gen2 is different from a named one. By Alive game logic.

Because if they add in the 3 CC Baryonyx

[vital helm]

8 Velociraptors would serve no purpose in the game other than hybrids that actual new genus could get instead. Same goes for Rex, Baryo, etc.

[warm needle]

It does make sense, a named creature is a specific individual from the franchise while a gen 2 is more like a subspecies or another member of the same genus as the original

[hard fulcrum]

They’ll ad in the 3 CC Bary eventually. We know they will.

[warm needle]

I don't think they would or should add them or toro

[hard fulcrum]

You know Ludia is going to add them. Because they’re named.

Which means they’ll also add in Pierce and Stygi down the road.

[warm needle]

Why didn't we get them with scorp then? All of them appeared before it but were not added during the hype period for CC

[hard fulcrum]

Rexy appeared in World and F K and she didn’t get added till Dominion

[warm needle]

Also when was there a named stygi?

[hard fulcrum]

Wasn’t there one named Stygi?

[vital helm]

Toro would be fine since that would be Carno's Gen 2. But there is no point in 5 Baryonyx when we could have the 2 current ones along with new genus like Icthyovenator, Riparovenator, and Ceratosuchops.

[hard fulcrum]

Ostafrikasaurus

[warm needle]

Another kentrosaurus? I don't think there was one

[hard fulcrum]

No a Stygimoloch named Stygi

Wasn’t that a thing?

[warm needle]

That doesn't make sense, that's just abbreviating the species name

As far as I know there wasn't a stygi in CC

[hard fulcrum]

Not according to the wiki?

Could have sworn Stygi is a named dinosaur?

“At least five Stygimoloch were rescued from Isla Nublar, including an individual named Stiggy, who was maneuverd by Owen Grady into freeing himself and Claire Dearing from their cells in Lockwood Manor. Stiggy's escape disrupted the auction, thus preventing the sale of any more dinosaurs. The other Stygimoloch were eventually freed by Claire and Maisie Lockwood and escape the Manor alongside all of the other dinosaurs”

Okay a named Stygimoloch named Stiggy exists.

It was in F K though so I don’t was wrong about it being from CC

Which means eventually they’ll add in Pierce Stiggy Grim Chaos Limbo as their own creatures because they are named and that is how Alive works if it has a name it is it’s own creature.

[vital helm]

That is not how it works

What creatures they add is entirely their decision, they don't follow any sort of rule or pattern

[surreal owl]

Of course, every single dinosaur that appeared in the movies will not be added. Especially those with minor roles or are easily forgettable. However, those with significant roles like Buck and Doe or even Toro would make sense for JWA

[hard fulcrum]

Anything that played a significant role in their film is fair game. Like the Park Tiger and Quilled raptors, ingen Spino, pteranodon, etc.

[surreal owl]

Buck and Doe are easily more iconic than the Atroci squad AND they appeared in Dominion… if Ludia’s aim is to add the remainder of the Dominion creatures before the end of the year then Buck and Doe should show up in update 2.20

[warm needle]

Tbh aside from Spino, Buck, and Doe, I highly doubt they'll add any other franchise dinos

Like why would they add bumpy and scorp only 1-2 weeks after their release in CC, but wait pretty much a year or 2 for toro, pierce, Bary trio, etc

[surreal owl]

Buck Doe and Spino do seem like the most likely candidates 👍

[warm needle]

Yeah, but even then it's a little shaky

[balmy terrace]

Why in the hell would they add jp3 spino 🗿

[warm needle]

You'd assume we'd have datamines for them by now but nothing so far

[warm needle]

Spino fanboys

[balmy terrace]

But we already have a spino near identical.

[warm needle]

They could market it as the "ultimate T-Rex killer" and get all the kids to but it

[warm needle]

Rexy and T-Rex are pretty similar

[balmy terrace]

I mean, I guess? But what difference is there from spino in jwa and jp3 spino lol.

[warm needle]

Money

[warm needle]

Fair

[warm needle]

Just rexy but a bit more managable

[warm needle]

You see these kinds of concepts are the reason I don't like the idea of Buck and Doe being added

That right there is literally just rexy without devour

[warm needle]

This is literally rexy but slightly worse with a damaging swap in and no on escape

[gritty estuary]

Dont worry gonan be added

[hard fulcrum]

They probably knew about them before hand and added them in to capitalize on them.

[hard fulcrum]

They could also re model the current Spino model to match the P3 Spino

[hard fulcrum]

What?

[gritty estuary]

For escape

[hard fulcrum]

I meant the wording is confusing

[gritty estuary]

Pick one

Firce strike on escape
Ferocious strike on escape
Ambush on escape

[hard fulcrum]

I have to look up what those are

[hard fulcrum]

Isn’t the current Spino model the one from CC and not P3?

[balmy sky]

Jp3 Rex and lil eatie

[warm needle]

I'm 99% sure those are the same spino

[warm needle]

JWA spino was in the original release so it couldn't have been the CC spino because the show didn't exist

There might be some minor differences but I'm pretty sure the spino model is the JP3 one or at least has the exact same colors and patterns

[balmy sky]

CC is canon

[warm needle]

I'm not saying CC isn't canon, just that the JWA spino is several years older than it and therefore can't be based off the spino from the show

[hard fulcrum]

They might have known about CC before we did

[warm needle]

2 years in advance?

[hard fulcrum]

Do you know how long a show takes to produce?

[warm needle]

Why would they tell Ludia about it when the show was only in early development, spino doesn't even show up until season 4 and definitely wasn't planned when season 1 came out

[hard fulcrum]

Maybe it was planned but got scrapped? They just don’t tell us these things sometimes.

[warm needle]

I don't believe the whole show from seasons 1-4 was planned in 2018

[warm needle]

Then the spino would have had to show up on Nublar with no context, during the events of Jurassic World and we know it was definitely not there, if it was its hyper aggressive nature would make a fight between it and indom inevitable

[raven turtle]

14 months to make an 8 episode season

Dosen't even account for casting, and just the development and planing phases

[warm needle]

Even if they had the spino plot line for CC planned by May of 2018 why would they give the information to Ludia, all they do is give the company to rights to the franchise and collect the profit

Universal has never gotten directly involved with any aspect of JWA's development after release

[surreal owl]

Cool concept but Buck and Doe would probably be better as epics… you have concepts for them? 🦖

[balmy sky]

On it

[hard fulcrum]

So that’s a very high chance for no on alive didn’t know about Spino in CC when it released?

[warm needle]

They would probably have know spino was going to be in the show, but they wouldn't have known about it when the made spino almost 4 years before its appearance in the show

Also has it been confirmed whether or not the CC spino is the same one that appears in JP3?

[hard fulcrum]

Well the model looks similar but also not an exact copy. Though that could be due to budget?

[warm needle]

I think it probably is the same, it could have changed slightly over 15 years and a new one probably wouldn't have been made

[balmy sky]

Done

[raven turtle]

I feel like the odds overall are pretty slim we get Buck and Doe compared to Little & Big Eatie, since among kids, I’d assume they’re massively more popular

[hard fulcrum]

I think amoung the people who have known the franchise their whole life. IE the adults who have money. Buck and Doe are more iconic

[hard fulcrum]

True the CC Spino could be the same as the P3 one. Just older.

[warm needle]

The doe is alright but that buck is broken, cloak, speed and cleanse on the same move, constant 50% speed up and distraction for an insane amount of time on a rampage with 1 cool down and no delay as well as a full damage counter is worse than rexy, also has no base move

[hard fulcrum]

Buck and Doe are more famous than Big and Lil Eatie

Among older people that have money especially.

Though Buck is more famous than Doe prolly

[warm needle]

Honestly Buck and Doe are old enough that most of the people who grew up with them aren't that likely to play JWA

[hard fulcrum]

I saw the Park trilogy and I play Alive

Plus I’m betting people who loved Park showed it to their kids

People do that with stuff they grew up with. Show it to their kids.

[warm needle]

That's true

[hard fulcrum]

I should know got plenty of family and friends that did that.

[warm needle]

I don't think it's that likely any movie dinos will be coming if they aren't new, considering Jamcity's business model it would seem weird to wait this long

Unless there's another major outcry like with Rexy, which I really hope there isn't

[balmy sky]

Buck decimated San Diego

[warm needle]

That doesn't mean it should decimate player's almost non-existent enjoyment of legendary tournaments

[balmy sky]

Buck op

[warm needle]

I hope people can start to see why I've been against these celebrity dinos

[warm needle]

All of its move only have 1 cool down which is a big problem for the rampage and the constant speed up along with cloak and a full counter is too much

This is it

[warm needle]

If this is the logic we're going off of brachi should be the best creature and upgraded to a legendary because it's in the movies and would do a lot better at decimating a city than buck

[balmy sky]

Buck also has the highest kill count of any trex

Human kill count

[warm needle]

Indom killed way more people and animals than buck so it should be better then

Yet more reason why these dinos shouldn't be added

[balmy sky]

T-Rex kill count

[warm needle]

The number of people it kills doesn't matter when it's in combat with other animals

See what I mean? Ludia is guaranteed to make them busted with stuff like this

[balmy sky]

It was the apex of a portion of isla sorna

[warm needle]

That doesn't mean it deserves to be the best in game, regular t rex was an apex predator but it garbage

[balmy sky]

It had qualities

[warm needle]

You can't use logic here

[warm needle]

What did it do that no other rex could?

For most, movie dino = must be granted special treatment

[balmy sky]

Yes

[warm needle]

That goes for ludia too, because more special treatment = more money

[warm needle]

In this case you should be asking for a stego,trike,galli,and para buff instead

[balmy sky]

Named or unique creatures

[warm needle]

So movie dinos help propel Jamcity's profit and prove to them that their current tactic works and that they should keep destroying the game with busted popular stuff

[warm needle]

That isn't really fair since they're just regular individuals of their species and any other random t.rex or whatever could have done the same

It's not like they have superpowers or something, any rex could kill 2 raptors, eat people and chase cars, or protect their children

[warm needle]

Also many apex predators like smilo,dime,dilo,acro,andrew,arctodus, the gorgonopsids and more are all at the best mediocre

[balmy terrace]

You all want Buck and doe to be balanced, yet your concepts are so broken for them. Really shows lots on how you think something is balanced. Smh

[warm needle]

Even Ludia would think cloak on a base move is op

[balmy sky]

Commentary on the meta

[balmy sky]

Precisely

[warm needle]

So it was a joke version?

[vital helm]

Tiger's Berserk Cloaking Rampage:

Oh basic move

Nvm

[balmy sky]

No the fact that it’s in cards is commentary

[hard fulcrum]

How does Jam business model work?

[hard fulcrum]

Wait there was an outcry for Rexy?

[hard fulcrum]

No one said they have it be legendary

[hard fulcrum]

Exactly how many people did Buck kill?

[warm needle]

Add new exclusive unique/apex based on something popular, new, or both, make it super busted, sell it a lot, then make it suck in 2-3 updates

[warm needle]

I don't know but probably not as much as a deranged monster that did it for fun

[warm needle]

That's their general money making plan

[hard fulcrum]

I mean that’s how Ludia works. Blue was a raptor in World game you got boosts from. Then they made her her own creature in the game.

[warm needle]

Blue didn't make them much money though

[hard fulcrum]

I would would anyone add cloak to a T. rex?

[warm needle]

And before jamcity they did not use this cycle of new exclusive epics getting more and more busted uniques only to become useless in such a short time frame

[hard fulcrum]

Berserk Cloaking Rampage is kind of stupid ngl

[warm needle]

Sure there was powecreep, and gem and mammo were special examples of that

[warm needle]

Everything they add is stupid

[hard fulcrum]

So introduce something. They nerf it or make it busted?

[warm needle]

Make it busted then nerf it after everyone spent money on it

[hard fulcrum]

I’m saying they already had the raptor quad and 3 raptors in World Game. Then added Blue as her own creature anyway.

[warm needle]

Yeah they did, but blue wasn't super broken and didn't get a hybrid for a very long time

[warm needle]

I know the raptor squad is already in and can't be removed but I don't think adding movie creatures that are dead in canon like the dominion giga is a good idea

[hard fulcrum]

Ludia was balanced before Jam

[warm needle]

Kind of

[hard fulcrum]

The world battle system sucks tbh

[hard fulcrum]

What? Why would adding dead creature to World Game be bad?

[warm needle]

They just don't really make sense, especially regarding certain circumstances of the creature, for the giga its only difference from the in-game one is its scars so if you clone it after death it wouldn't have them anymore and just becomes a regular giga

[hard fulcrum]

World Game has a giga?

[vital helm]

Yeah, it looks super ugly though

[hard fulcrum]

Show me

I play it and somehow never noticed.

[hard fulcrum]

That is ugly wow. Though it would take to much to make a new model. All medium and large theropods use the same model in World game.

Though they could just transfer models form alive.

[hard fulcrum]

World game needs the dominion giga. The current one is so ugly.

Park Palooza. Probably they add in the Park Pteranodon, LW and 2 raptors, Mamenchi, Cerato, Corytho along with the other park creatures in 2023 or 2024. Perhaps they’ll all be added in during a Park Madness event.

I mean why add in some park creatures when they’ll likely add them in all at once. During the second half of 23 or first half of 24.

Your out of time

[balmy terrace]

I mean, it’s a JWA server after all. Not a JWTG server, I’m sure he can talk about that stuff here anyway.

[hard fulcrum]

Wait is he talking about World or Alive datamines?

You’re being dense on purpose to get a reaction aren’t you?

[warm needle]

The world game has cerato and corytho

[hard fulcrum]

You’re someone who just tries to get reactions out of people

It’s literally in everything you write. Mauve read your own messages?

[mental wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-gif-23927723

Mod breathing, 1sr posture

Ban

[hard fulcrum]

What?

[hard fulcrum]

Demon Slayer is a top teir anime

[balmy terrace]

Translation: Both of you are getting sent to the shadow realm

[hard fulcrum]

Eww 4kids

[balmy terrace]

🤡

[hard fulcrum]

What’s with the clown?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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How did you do that? The shrug emoticon?

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Teach me how to do that please??

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Teach you how to do what

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The shrug emoticon. I can’t find the first and last characters.

[balmy terrace]

Oh uhhh idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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🥲

[vital helm]

Why not just copy/paste it somewhere

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Somehow I didn’t think of that

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💀

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😡

Buck need buck for buy coins

[surreal owl]

Honestly surprised they didn’t add the CC creatures with the release of S5… with that being said, Buck and Doe fit the year’s theme with it being JWD

I wouldn’t be surprised if we get Nothosaurus, SinoSpino, and some of the other CC creatures in the future tho

[winged glade]

Nothosaurus would be a weird addition, simply because it simultaneously is and isn’t an aquatic

[warm needle]

I think we probably won't get them if they haven't been added yet, they added scorp soon after season 3 and the season 5 creatures would have made the most sense to add during the summer to go with the dominion creatures

[surreal owl]

Diplo is the same way but it’s found it’s way into the game tho

[surreal owl]

There’s still an Interactive Episode coming in the New Year, since the Dominion updates are over by then, maybe something could happen

Also iirc Bumpy was added in an update that was months after CCS1 released?

[warm needle]

That was because bumpy was a baby in season 1 and they decided to add the adult version

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What? That makes no sense?

Nothosaurus is one of those Semi aquatic animals???? We have some of those already.

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Wait really?

[surreal owl]

Yes, CC isn’t exactly over yet. There’s an interactive episode that prob isn’t canon releasing on Jan 1st 2023

Even then there’s a dreamworks project in the works so we might see CC campers again in the near future

[hard fulcrum]

Why release something not cannon?

Maybe it will introduce a new creature that will end up in the game.

[surreal owl]

Interactive episodes can’t be canon because there’s multiple versions of reality. It’s mainly for the kids to interact with the campers one more time and, I’m suspecting, to keep the CC hype alive for when they release the trailer for the new Dreamworks project

[regal prism]

I think there would be too much rexes in the game. Plus buck and doe have almost no difference at all. Unlike the raptor who have their unique designs m

[surreal owl]

Buck and Doe have unique patterns and designs to differentiate them from the Rexes we have in game now… the differentiation is equal to if not greater than the differentiation between the members of the raptor squad

[regal prism]

Wait really

Buck

[warm needle]

I would still rather have them as skins instead of the overpowered cash grabs Ludia will make them, I would prefer getting yutyrannus, charcharodontosaurus and 2 skins for rex over yet another 2 broken rexes

[uncut needle]

Just make buck and doe a skin on rexy

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Someone doesn’t like park

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We already have charchar

[warm needle]

No we don't

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Yes we do it’s that black creature with yellow markings.

A T. rex flock would be infinitely worse just saying.

[warm needle]

The only nonhybrid large theropods are both allos and rexes+rexy,giga,acro,gorgo and tarbo

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We already have charchar in the game it’s the current reward for collecting pass data.

[warm needle]

That's acrocanthosaurus

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Wait nvm I just checked the game. That’s Acrocantosartus.

Just remove the crocodile skin on Giga and you have charchar

[warm needle]

I would like rexy and all the new gen 2s to be skins just as much as buck and doe but it's already too late for that

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Gen 2 exist in World game to

[warm needle]

They basically just copied the idea from JWA so they could make all their new hybrids legendary tournament exclusives

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The concept of Gen2 and Gen3 creatures has been around in Jurassic games for years now.

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Didn’t World game make gen2 before Alive?

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I don't think they did

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World game came out before Alive didn’t it?

[warm needle]

It did but didn't have gen 2s from the start

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Now I’m wondering who came up with the gen2 stuff first.

[warm needle]

They added the first ones in 2019

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Which one? World or Alive added their first gen2 in 2019?

I will admit I hate Baryonyx gen2 and wish it was replaced with Ostafrikasaurus or Oxalia.

Of all the creatures that deserve a gen2 Baryonyx wasn’t one of them.

[warm needle]

It was velo

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If they make a gen2 Velociraptor it can be V. osmolskae instead of V. mongoliensis

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Dang I feel old now that was just 2019?

Tsaagan

[vital helm]

Just change the colors of Rexy with some minor model edits and you get Buck and Doe, yet you want those over Carcharo?

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Yes

You know they’ll capitalize on the franchise mascot

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How does that have anything to do with your opinion on why they should be added. Just because Ludia is likely to add them doesn't mean their addition is a good idea.

[hard fulcrum]

It is if they balance them

Park isn’t going it ruin Alive

Contrary to opinion on this server.

[warm needle]

They won't balance them, have you looked at pulmonoscorpius? It can kill anything that isn't bleed and stun resistant including compsoraptor and is only an epic, think of what buck and doe would do if they were given the same treatment

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Pulmonoscorpious could ge nerfed if enough people make nose and leave the game.

Buck and Doe being added is also significantly less worse than Alive raising the level cap to 40.

The latter of which has a high possibility of happening.

Imagine getting 9k damage in one attack

[warm needle]

No one was talking about raising the level cap in relation and they will not nerf pulmono, they don't do nerfs anymore they just powercreep everything as their way of indirectly nerfing them

[warm needle]

Lots of things can do that, I bet indonemys could with a strike if it had revenge

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Are you serious? Indonemys can do that? 9k in 1 attack?

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Didn’t they recently nerf Albertocevia?

[warm needle]

They "nerfed" it by 50 damage

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Oh I thought it was more than that

[warm needle]

A base 26 can do 17k on a rampage with revenge and 2 baits and a 30 can easily clear 25k

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Indonemys sounds super broken..

[warm needle]

Flocks and ref take care of it

[surreal owl]

a better analogy for Buck and Doe would be Tiger or PyroG2 since they are movie/named creatures, both of which are balanced and quite unique for their rarity, pulmono was purposely made extremely powerful to push the new 'insect rig' that Ludia just released

[warm needle]

The best analogy for them would be rexy realistically

[surreal owl]

Rexy is unique in that its the literal icon of the franchise

if Buck and Doe are added, i can't see them being added as anything above epic

[warm needle]

Tiger and pyro gen 2 only appear for a few minutes in 1 movie and are not nearly as popular as rex, and you have been saying buck and doe are just as iconic as rexy

[surreal owl]

they are comparatively equal in importance w respect to TLW and to a lesser extent JWD as Blue, Beta, or Bumpy are to their series and thus would most likely be epics

[warm needle]

They're literally just a cameo in JWD

[hard fulcrum]

Lost World scenes are more iconic and recognizable in pop culture than Dominion scenes.

[surreal owl]

'to a lesser extent JWD'

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The original Park movie and Lost World has been parodied a lot

[warm needle]

Which is exactly why buck and doe would be stronger than the atrociraptors or pyro

[surreal owl]

nonetheless the fact that a 1 second cameo was enough to make it one of the most talked about scenes in the movie suggests that Buck and Doe warrant addition to the game

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You have no faith that they can be balanced

[surreal owl]

then again, they added Beta and Blue as epics when Ludia could've milked them as legendaries

so i wouldn't say that they are guaranteed to be legendaries

[warm needle]

Blue was added long before the idea of nonhybrid legendaries and beta was made to funnel into compsoraptor

[hard fulcrum]

They could have milked Blue and Beta as legendaries

[warm needle]

I never said they would be legendary, just that they would be overpowered

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Beta could have been Legendary given Compso is unique and not legendary

[surreal owl]

beta could've funnelled into compyR regardless given that paralux fused with legendary acro

regardless that's off topic as youve pointed out

[surreal owl]

when you have such potent counters to fierce creatures like teryx and megalotops in epic rarity, i wouldn't be worried

[warm needle]

When have they added anything that wasn't either broken or trash in the past few months?

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The dominion creatures

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Epic tournaments could benefit from having mixed class chompers.

[warm needle]

The scorpions will push them down and give the 2 rexes the opportunity to slaughter them and become top tiers

[surreal owl]

☝️ this, Buck and Doe added as mixed class chompers would add something completely new to the game

[warm needle]

I seriously doubt Ludia will make them mixed class and if they do it will only add to the amount of things they take down

[hard fulcrum]

Epic tournaments would be interesting with Buck or Doe, instead of having people spam megalotpos

[warm needle]

And allow them to take out teryx and megalotops

[surreal owl]

that's an issue with pulmono, not the addition of Buck and Doe

[hard fulcrum]

The atrociraptors are mix class. And irrc they’re adding in more mixed class non hybrids.

[surreal owl]

i havent run the sims for myself but if pulmono can actually 1v1 and win against uniques then ofc it should be nerfed

[warm needle]

Again pulmonoscorpius has that problem covered, due to it giga will end up being meta in hybrid tournaments

[hard fulcrum]

Iirc pulmono is good against anything not bleed resistant.

[surreal owl]

pulmono nerf and you have ur problem solved

[warm needle]

And if we rely on teryx and tops to kill them what will be left in nonhybrid tournaments?

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Megalotpos and Argenteryx spam counter and doge on pulmono

[warm needle]

They get stunned and bleed to death

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Buff tops and teryx with stun and bleed resist.

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In the non hybrid epic tournaments you have Buck and Doe to counter pulmono

[warm needle]

You seriously want to buff two of the most hated epics just to counter another broken one so two new broken epics won't obliterate everything

[surreal owl]

this whole argument is predicated on the fact that Buck and Doe might be overpowered, following the patterns of the Atroci, Beta, etc., they'd just be countered by strong cunning epics like Beta, compy, microraptor, etc

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Literally no one said Buck or Doe have to be broken. That’s always your assumption for some reason.

[warm needle]

I meant what will kill buck and doe without those 2 when hybrids are gone?

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I thought microraptor was rare?

[warm needle]

Beta and microraptor are not strong

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This sentence is confusing me

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Microraptor has 2 multi strike moves.

[surreal owl]

case in point, Beta could've been the cash cow for Ludia and they could've made her insanely busted since Beta features so prominently in JWD; if they make Beta weak despite her being the mascot for the most recent movie, why would they make Buck and Doe busted?

[warm needle]

And gets killed by anything with a group attack

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Assuming you have a group attack on hand

A group attack that is good that is.

[warm needle]

It's just to fragile to preform well, especially without any kind of heal

[hard fulcrum]

Buff microraptor and beta problem solved

Ludia should Buff some other neglected epic while they’re at it.

[warm needle]

Then you just end up centering the entire meta around 2 creatures which would make them objectively broken if the viability of anything is based on how well they deal with the 2 strongest

[surreal owl]

the fact of the matter is that right now flocks are so dominant especially in lower rarities that there'll be plenty of counters to Buck and Doe which are undoubtedly going to be chompers (either partially fierce or completely)

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That’s why you buff multiple epics not just 2

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Honestly flocks are the most annoying thing in the meta right now. They need nerfs

[surreal owl]

by definition, thats how a meta inherently functions, there are always going to be power discrepancies between different creatures and figuring out how to defeat them or work around them is what defines a meta in pvp games

[warm needle]

Right now compy is the only viable nonhybrid counter I could see working and if they have dominant roar nothing will stop them

[surreal owl]

granted the power discrepancy should not be overly large that one or two creatures dominate the meta, but i dont think that will be the case with Buck and Doe