lunar gull
E.H. uses SMG: Heavenward
E.H. is an Attacker who collects scrap when certain conditions are met, boosting her attacking capabilities.
When her Burst Skill is used, she switches her weapon and inflicts massive damage to her enemies.
Her motto is to never harm people, a principle she has often failed to uphold. She is currently branded as the most dangerous individual in the Ark.
dark lark
Where's the second skill image ven
finite tartan
mid
dark lark
Where
lunar gull
loud nimbus
Silly catto
modern burrow
Skip
loud nimbus
Didn't put the 2nd img
lunar gull
fucking open your eyes
dark lark
mid
Off burst
16.36% atk damage
30% atk buff
Mid, practically 0 damage off burst.
On-burst
16.36% atk damage
460% atk buff
4 shots of 250%×61% final atk
dark lark
Burst dmg is good, last 1.6s
She still has smg dealing damage during burst though bruh
finite tartan
yeah
dark lark
Yeah then it's just 5× smg ig
dark lark
During burst damage is good
Especially on core
finite tartan
burst practically increases her normal attack by 50%
dark lark
Better than shitkura and midna
finite tartan
if somehow we can maintain the ammo through FB, she will be around 8 times normal SMG
which is enough to be SS tier of DPS
peak jungle
E.H. is Eh.
peak jungle
sadly it lasts 1.6s
0.4s*
finite tartan
1.6s
finite tartan
all bosses have some kind of objects to break
peak jungle
Becomes glorified epinel
finite tartan
you just need to find out where they are
lunar gull
dmg is not bad
you changed sides fast
peak jungle
It smells like skip ngl
peak jungle
It's same wording as Privaty
Proof
dark lark
peak jungle
Guys can someone ss me SWHA's Burst kit
peak jungle
<#1056120875612651570>
I have an idea. I think E.H.'s Burst can benefit from Max Ammo buff
It says Max Ammo
dark lark
The formula for her burst ammo isn't as normal
It's based on her skill 1
Which is static and unchangable
finite tartan
pretty sure ammo up won't be able to increase special ammo like this
else Noir would allow SW to shoot twice
languid helm
MatH will be fun
peak jungle
MatH will be fun
Wont do anything. It just makes EH reach peak faster
I think EH is not worth building as she is atm
I think she wont even see use in Wind weak Raid
Because Moran SRos SWHA Cindy MiharaBC t5 will win
languid helm
Wont do anything. It just makes EH reach peak faster
Permanent core + parts + projectile + mobs will be quite good
peak jungle
Permanent core + parts + projectile + mobs will be quite good
Too far to core hit accurately as smg
Parts + projectile only mean she stacks faster
finite tartan
can't test anything on her with Shooting Range
so if someone posts SR result tmr
just know beforehand it's pointless
peak jungle
so if someone posts SR result tmr
EH is not SR patch
languid helm
Too far to core hit accurately as smg
Should have given hitrate buffs smh.. her entire dmg comes from normal attacks
dawn tide
4x black hit rate meta ?
visual linden
EH is just ehh?
thick siren
skip
modern burrow
Skip n save for busted anni units
cobalt grove
According to Vid
her Burst actually splashes
so bosses with Parts/ Cores
will just eat more dmg
cobalt grove
Too far to core hit accurately as smg
I might be dreaming
but her crosshair / Blooming hitzone looks super tight for SMG
consistently doing core hits
80% of the time
way more tighter than normal SMG
prime pelican
hmm...yeah now that you mention it
cobalt grove
First time seeing JP internkun being retarded
Literally didnt get a single Scrap for JP's skill showcase
Burst could only attack once
lmao
prime pelican
hmm..wonder if it's better to just quickshot the RL and get the 430% atk buff asap
cobalt grove
Yeah JP-kun is the only one who tested in " Shooting Range "
meaning Raptures dont die lmao
no Scraps for you
meanwhile KR/EN tested in Weak story stage
As such
testing her damage in Shooting Range maybe problematic
Magazines being hard capped at 4
kinda sucks
cobalt grove
Feels like internal testing had the magazines up to probably 8
cobalt grove
no choice to use modernia for sandbag <:lmaocry:1027863762868391968>
BlackSmith isnt so bad either
prime pelican
tho, you want to test on her ele advantage since she get 16% ele up on her S2 too
and her ele up can be perma if boss at least spew destroyable projectile/parts every 15 second
tho, maybe parts is a bit unrealistic to spawn and destroyed within 15 second
finite tartan
When she has 4 stacks, she can still gain scrap
cobalt grove
it's capped here, is not consumed why
Why would it be consumed
peak jungle
it's capped here, is not consumed why
Its not consumed
finite tartan
that's kinda strange, but she only needs to farm stacks once then
cobalt grove
Also doesnt look like u can get more scraps after Maxed 50 scraps
prime pelican
hmm
cobalt grove
so u wonr get the additional ED from S2 after that
peak jungle
430% atk buff just means "get true dmg or big offensive buff for 10s"
peak jungle
finite tartan
buff starts early and withers later on
languid helm
so u wonr get the additional ED from S2 after that
Should be refreshed like all types of buffs
prime pelican
that's kinda shit if that's the case
cobalt grove
Should be refreshed like all types of buffs
XGuillo has the same wording
When getting a Level*
u get ammo refresh + Heal
but at max lvl u dont get anymore EXP
so no refresh nor heal.for xgullio
speculating
peak jungle
Bossing is more questionable since she doesnt have dedicdated supports
languid helm
Max level xguil gets bricked?
I think they still get refreshed else its fucking dumb
cobalt grove
I think they still get refreshed else its fucking dumb
Tested when she was a new thing
cobalt grove
but she doesnt get anything aftet Max lvl
tepid abyss
<@419975619313401858> <a:dorothink:1279306548610600981>
hi
prime pelican
in the end, we all know this is going to be for the extremely niche boss, not just every wind weak boss 
kinda like laplace is pretty usefull on arturia, but not much on other iron weak boss
tepid abyss
<:ngr:669769062368411648>
its smg tho
peak jungle
looks meh no?
Jill level
Saved by core dmg + effective range
Probably the best Wind DPS in Camp-
For Bos-
prime pelican
yeah, she really is designed for next union raid, since there's iron mat h
it's for that specific boss, i think
peak jungle
yeah, she really is designed for next union raid, since there's iron mat h
No
We know for sure shes not replacing anyone
We have Siren Nayu Lib SBS Velvet
prime pelican
ssshh, they want you to attack it twice 
peak jungle
ssshh, they want you to attack it twice <:facepalmkek:974833043493752842>
Wasooka:
languid helm
SR15 Doll is straight 9.46% final dmg buff since she's 100% normal attacks
cobalt grove
yeah, she really is designed for next union raid, since there's iron mat h
is it the 2nd time for MatH or 3rd?
cobalt grove
SR15 Doll is straight 9.46% final dmg buff since she's 100% normal attacks
and she has innate +50% Core damage too
languid helm
and she has innate +50% Core damage too
The 2023 buff smg gotten, but still have trash accuracy
cobalt grove
The 2023 buff smg gotten, but still have trash accuracy
and not every smg got it
Best buff for SMG was the " Min firing Ammo "
languid helm
and not every smg got it
Afaik only Nayuta doesn't get the +50% coredmg
languid helm
Best buff for SMG was the " Min firing Ammo "
They still need accuracy, really hard to take advantage of core dmg with such bad accuracy
void ocean
Is it just me or is this kit just a big Rube Goldberg runaround for what is essentially some Atk ^ and ele damage? Remove the gimmick and she doesn't really have an s1 and s2 just some combat stats. She's all burst.
cobalt grove
They still need accuracy, really hard to take advantage of core dmg with such ba...
like mentioned above
E.H seems to have innately high HitRate for SMG
as per the video
languid helm
only selected fews get
You are right. I thought it was a blanket smg buff that time
void ocean
For the hitrate she could have a passive buff the way maid Privaty does. They've set a precedent for making exceptions
cobalt grove
You are right. I thought it was a blanket smg buff that time
First 4 SMGs that get them were Miranda, Epinel, Crow and ????
peak jungle
Big cope #anisé-bot-intel
languid helm
First 4 SMGs that get them were Miranda, Epinel, Crow and ????
Soline
cobalt grove
Is it just me or is this kit just a big Rube Goldberg runaround for what is esse...
S1 is just +30% Self ATK
S2 is just +16% Self ED for 15s ( not sure if refreshable after max stacks
Burst is just +400% ATK
quite boring skills
void ocean
S1 is just +30% Self ATK
S2 is just +16% Self ED for 15s ( not sure if refreshab...
My point exactly. She's got a boring kit outside her burst concept, they fluffed up with some bs to track. It's irrelevant.
Should have done something with her chest claymore
cobalt grove
and the issue of SMG being bad was never brought up again lmao
cobalt grove
Should have done something with her chest claymore
Deals 100,000 final ATK as damage when dying in combat
void ocean
Rosanna pvp bait
languid helm
Only qeq is quite decent for water dps, cos she has hitrate buffs + core dmg buffs
peak jungle
Guys Siren is SM-
languid helm
Only qeq has good enough dps from her normals
void ocean
Guys Siren is SM-
Shh. Siren doesn't know. She believes she's a MG.
cobalt grove
Only qeq is quite decent for water dps, cos she has hitrate buffs + core dmg buf...
ah she does have the innate +50%
bleak talon
she is very good at campaign due being so solid and the passive elemental plus,for example,usually she will have 30% extra dmg continuously amd 16% elemental plus,miranda also boosts her alot,she is atleast S tier,you should get her,also her burst is pretty good,a shit ton of damage boosted by her gimmick
peak jungle
she is very good at campaign due being so solid and the passive elemental plus,f...
Bro what is this
languid helm
She's ok but skippable. Not downright trash at least imo
prime pelican
B sounds about right
bleak talon
Yeah,relatively solid in campaign,very situational in bosses,unusable in pvp
languid helm
If she got the supposed buffed hitrates, might become good with core bosses
bleak talon
Yeah,though she can benefit from miranda
But the problem is that the pilgrim meta is already full
There is no space for her
Scarlet shadow,lib,nayuta,siren, velvet sometimes
bleak talon
Sr what?
bleak talon
What,what does SR means?
bleak mica
Solo raid
bleak talon
Oh that
I would expect more like elysion tribe tower
Somehow elysion has no big wind nikkes
Though it has so much fire
cobalt grove
She's ok but skippable. Not downright trash at least imo
Typical outer rim scum
void ocean
Somehow elysion has no big wind nikkes
D exists (same element/weapon) 
bleak talon
I don't know D's kit
cobalt grove
D exists (same element/weapon) <:Doro:1146503869988343848>
back when SU made Nikkes Kit for Special Interception
bleak talon
I know wife one,not vanilla
void ocean
Frankly speaking it's the more interesting kit design of the two. Same SMG pit falls and shit multipliers
cobalt grove
I don't know D's kit
D's ||nuts|| actually
bleak talon
Cool,will check later
cyan tartan
Idk if there's any reason to charge speed buff her but at least your overloads aren't useless
I guess you get to abuse the attack buff more if she goes through the ammo faster?
void ocean
Ah dang it's unreadable
cyan tartan
So sad that they ruined her design to generate sales and then made her mid so nobody cares anyway
void ocean
cyan tartan
Most bosses have parts or projectiles but I don't think there's enough to get 4 stacks every 2 bursts
cobalt grove
Most bosses have parts or projectiles but I don't think there's enough to get 4 ...
u dont lose stacks
cyan tartan
But it doesn't say her gun actually spends her stacks so maybe she just needs to cap once
Maybe she's good enough to work with 1-3 stacks just with the big ass attack buff on burst?
bleak talon
Shit,she is really good
cyan tartan
It doesn't look very good but wind do be dogshit
You have SBS lib then Eva2 and then a gaping pit
cobalt grove
Maybe she's good enough to work with 1-3 stacks just with the big ass attack buf...
u only need 6 Parts / 30 projectiles
to reach cap
cyan tartan
So she's at least Sr meta
That's still a lot 
Name 20 last Sr bosses with 6 parts
Projectiles are more common but it also probably slower to stack
neon oxide
Looks pretty good for a standard 2% off-raid unit 
void ocean
That's the one thing we'll need to determine (not that the answer will save her)
If she caps out does she still get scraps after having 4 mags. If not her s2 dies after the last 15 sec ele damage buff ends.
She'll have Atk ^ and another saturated boost of it during the burst but that's it.
cyan tartan
That's the one thing we'll need to determine (not that the answer will save her)...
That would be so funny
loud nimbus
bleak mica
Skip
faint moat
A Heavy Metal enjoyer
cobalt grove
All these have like
3 Respawning parts
and 20+ Projectiles shot within the first 15s
lunar gull
Exactly what next union raid is
yes but unless you're running double team on wind, shes still not gonna get used?
prime pelican
yes but unless you're running double team on wind, shes still not gonna get used...
They want you to
lunar gull
They want you to <:lmaocry:1027863762868391968>
yeah its really annoying, pushing for double teams for elements like water and now wind, but iron and electric are cucked for over a year
bleak talon
Cinderella is carrying it upon her beautiful shoulders
That is we need this summer a slingshot bikini cinderella
It will be extra beautiful
river forum
is she good
peak jungle
No
river forum
welp
cold ravine
Not sora tier bad ig
cyan tartan
SR meta probably
cyan tartan
Unless you have really stacked neutral ?
That's like saying phantom is good because she's SR meta
Or at least was for a year
lunar gull
content that gets updated once every year
cyan tartan
It's good if all you have is shit
Wait I just realized
This is peak wind team 2 performance if you skipped eva2
The absolute state
modern burrow
Fuck me imagine skipping Eva2 and having to settle for this shit
peak jungle
SR meta probably
Is Jill meta if yes then yes
cyan tartan
I guess Mira Nayu mogs it so maybe team 3?
peak jungle
No, team 6
If any its Siren Velvet HelmTr EH Crown
Highest atk dmg comp for EH
peak jungle
If any its Siren Velvet HelmTr EH Crown
Which is better than XLud variant I think
Less dmg from team but her dmg makes up for it
languid helm
No, team 6
Inb4 the mega raid at year end needs 7 team
modern burrow
Pretty on point w how ShitUp operates
peak jungle
Now we just need to see surface skill
That... thing is scrapped.
modern burrow
I can’t ever get over the fact that they decided to scrap that mode when they saw people not liking their scummy bullshit they wanted to pull w the whole game mode
neon carbon
So essentially, for a boss with no parts or projectile attacks she is practically useless?
rigid quail
So essentially, for a boss with no parts or projectile attacks she is practicall...
No parts, destructible projectiles and additional enemies
cobalt grove
No parts, destructible projectiles and additional enemies
Which boss doesn't any of those tho
cobalt grove
I can’t ever get over the fact that they decided to scrap that mode when they sa...
My god, i miss that mode
waiting for Hall 3
modern burrow
My god, i miss that mode
Me too. The extra rock gain was very good.
rigid quail
Which boss doesn't any of those tho
Uhhh Ziz kinda
Because the parts require true damage or a lot of attack buffs
Though there are projectiles but not that consistent
rigid quail
Which boss doesn't any of those tho
The shooting range Armstrong
cobalt grove
Uhhh Ziz kinda
Because the parts require true damage or a lot of attack buffs
minority of bosses, i guess
And the Boss Shoots 16 projectils in the first 10s
u can most lilely get max stacks from them stil
swift jackal
Which boss doesn't any of those tho
gluttony
the bestest boss
why else would they give us 2 of the same boss if its not the best
maybe when ur at like 80% deficit
u can pretend she has true dmg during her burst
cuz 400% atk up
rigid quail
why else would they give us 2 of the same boss if its not the best
It has projectiles
cobalt grove
why else would they give us 2 of the same boss if its not the best
Trains
BlackSmiths
modern burrow
Nice ai slop
opaque thunder
Her name describes her perfectly lol
Completely skippable because she can go in the wishlist anyways
potent finch
Last wind raid was anni? not a fan of dps having no relevant ele raid with its release.. Wind was kinda lacking some usable/mid to good dps (quency/milk/bready tier).. hopefully she can fill that hole somewhat.. especially as the 4 main b3 dps from wind all get shoved into 2 teams
swift turtle
Completely skippable because she can go in the wishlist anyways
Plus established Wind team for campaign and bossing anyway, and can also say the same for UR (if sending just 1 wind team, maybe 2)
So strictly a SR unit unless we’re underestimating her impact
Personally, I’m surprised she’s getting meh reception, I thought her 460% atk buff would be insane
Also doesn’t this mean for OL gearing, we actually for once don’t want atk at all, for reals?
That implies she’d want crit rate, crit dmg, ele dmg. Or hit rate, crit dmg, ele dmg.
opaque thunder
Plus established Wind team for campaign and bossing anyway, and can also say the...
If anything it’s SR t4, but is it really better than neutral + mana ?
opaque thunder
Personally, I’m surprised she’s getting meh reception, I thought her 460% atk bu...
I found it insane too
But when you look at it, she has big big atk buff on burst, and poor 15% ele and 30% atk
AND requires parts/projectiles to destroy
I hope she is better than expected though
cyan tartan
I found it insane too
Bmilk has like 300 and massive pierce damage so it should come out to roughly the same as EH but she also gets a damage aura and sometimes pierce value and she's still SR only
Big number looks impressive but it's a scam
Elemental advantage attack damage might save her if it's a unique multiplier
It's worded different than ele DMG but it's probably just another intern moment
neon oxide
Consistency has "en" in it, but EN intern-kun forgot the rest of the word 
meager magnet
her 430% atk buff doesn't really save her, even if you assume she maintains her ed buff throughout the fight she is only roughly 7% more dps than summer sakura looking at their kits within a vacuum
wooden zenith
🚮
frail nimbus
easy skip, skipping her and still trying to get Takina after 110 pulls on Chisato banner and 40 pulls on her banner and nothing yet
after that i'll save for 3.5
it's normal to get the 2% character after 100-130 pulls?
most of the 2025 limited banners i only got the character after 100 pulls (S. Sakura, S. Rosanna, S.Helm, S.Elegg, Mari
neon oxide
All luck
2% means you should get one every 50 
But no increasing rate (Hoyo-style) means it's just as easy to go 500 pulls with no copy
visual linden
gambler's fallacy is real
visual linden
i went 200 for trina but got nothing, decided to gold mileage
neon oxide
Didn't even like her, either, so even more frustrating. So now I'm happy she's dead from meta 
icy terrace
considering how scrap works she will basically suck in the shooting range lmao
hazy herald
I kind of wish they'd give us more testing avenues.
Hard to fairly assess some units with what we have.
inner zealot
Well Museum Modernia is basically one of best boss for her, part rotate so often+projectile
neon oxide
Ironically destroy the parts and no projectiles tho 
swift turtle
Projectiles from Crystal Chamber 
dark lark
her 430% atk buff doesn't really save her, even if you assume she maintains her ...
Bruh
dark lark
her 430% atk buff doesn't really save her, even if you assume she maintains her ...
Skippable
Unless you want to min-max/tryhard wind weak solo raids (and maybe wind weak museum as well cuz that atk buff can counter the extremely high Def of Modernia in Museum Hall 2 quite well)
Otherwise, this unit is not really of interest for the majority of the playerbase
meager magnet
the vacuum bit is important; she has more potential to scale than summer sakura, but the team to actually do that scaling doesn't really exist at the moment.
dark lark
the vacuum bit is important; she has more potential to scale than summer sakura,...
She can't scale with atk buffs
There are quite a few attack damage and damage taken buffers, however
meager magnet
she scales well with those, she has bonus inherent scaling against core (important for her charge shots) and she has the potential to scale with charge damage buffers
but the only significant charge damage buffer we have is Velvet, and that leads to a very awkward team
dark lark
but the only significant charge damage buffer we have is Velvet, and that leads ...
We'd practically be building a team around velvet's buffs then? 
Unsure if Nayuta or Siren gets velvet cuz I don't think either of them are going in the same team
meager magnet
yea, it doesn't make sense as a team at this time
dark lark
An smg with siren sort of makes sense
meager magnet
and even if the units needed for the team to make sense get added, it still requires a boss to both have core and be able to cater to her scrap building mechanic to both quickly get to 4 magazines, and then also maintain her ed buff through the fight
so she not only needs a team that doesn't really exist yet, but she also needs the stars to align on the boss
dark lark
and even if the units needed for the team to make sense get added, it still requ...
She's an RL for her charge shots, right? Assuming mat H core, does she have the slightest possibility of being near to SBS as a DPS?
meager magnet
absolutely not
swift jackal
what if shes the secret b3 for siren velvetb2
where u get velvet buff right before FB -> she unloads that shit instantly
meager magnet
taken in a vacuum, EH is about 50% the damage of Nayuta (after you account for the fact that Nayuta bursts every cycle)
dark lark
Yeah then she's definitely of niche value i guess
meager magnet
too much ground to make up to catch up to SBS
swift jackal
cuz .4s charge lets u unload everything within vel's 3s buff right
dark lark
Thanks for the analysis 
meager magnet
Vel's 3s buff shouldn't fall off during full burst regardless
meager magnet
Vel only gives 3s charge damage buff to party if she is off burst
the 3s buff that comes from being outside of full burst is just her own self buff
swift jackal
neon carbon
I will wait for the tests before even considering building her 
calm osprey
is there a comparison to a lesser wind unit like Mana?
cyan tartan
I could pull EH or I could spend the gems on doing wipe out or something
grim sleet
Mana lesser?
cyan tartan
If you do 50 gem wipe out you get like one level per 10 pull
I got her in one 10 pull and didn't need to spend any gems and I still feel scammed
Team 1 maid SBS lib
Team 2 Eva2 siren crown velvet
Team 3 Miranda nayuta with garbage B3 so they don't steal the buff
Team 4 sdoro shotgun (Blanc +noir)
Team 5 rapi raven?
Alternatively run Miranda hsw and nayuta+drake in shotgun if you don't want to do Mira Nayu
EH who?
solar kiln
Nice ASSets.
simple shard
Pull over
dawn tide
pull her for event challenge stage boss
visual linden
pull her because wishlist pull is bottlenecked by missilis units
neon oxide
Team 1 maid SBS lib
Team 2 Eva2 siren crown velvet
Team 3 Miranda nayuta with ga...
SG is below the cope comp 
modern burrow
I think I can safely skip 3 more Elysion units to have a fully unowned Elysion lineup in my wishlist
dawn tide
just skip her so standard pulls have some meaning
peak jungle
Team 1 maid SBS lib
Team 2 Eva2 siren crown velvet
Team 3 Miranda nayuta with ga...
no
Siren Velvet hypercarry + EVA 2 split
EVA 2 with Siren Velvet is a huge damage loss
Equal to not having ExiaTr
which is painful
but you can manage
peak jungle
Team 1 maid SBS lib
Team 2 Eva2 siren crown velvet
Team 3 Miranda nayuta with ga...
Cindy SWHA MiharaBc T5
Moran SRos
languid helm
Its been an hour plus, and we still don't even have a shooting range damage comparison
peak jungle
Its been an hour plus, and we still don't even have a shooting range damage comp...
Because she sucks
No one pulls
modern burrow
Didn’t I hear someone saying shooting range tests gonna be useless for her
neon oxide
Didn’t I hear someone saying shooting range tests gonna be useless for her
Useless at showing her potential DPS yeah, but placed against S Sakura, both are pretty terribly nerfed by the boss
Museum Modernia is the good test subject
so we could test. Just... no point
Wait until next patch notes and see what element SR is
if wind-weak, pull last minute 
steel badger
from sky stream, against Mod museum
E.H 3 ele, around 60ish, 1 atk, 7/7/10, SR 15
Lib 3 ele
cyan tartan
modern burrow
Nayugoat
cyan tartan
This isn't even fair to lib
Nayu and siren aren't that good at buffing and lib is easier to buff than eh
Plus EH gets the lib buff
potent finch
hard to justify more then 1 copy with no raid.. hard to do so even for 1 copy tbh 😄
need to check my elysion gears too ;x
cyan tartan
Siren Velvet hypercarry + EVA 2 split
I don't want to give velvet real overloads tho 
Do you think rocks grow on trees
languid helm
from sky stream, against Mod museum
E.H 3 ele, around 60ish, 1 atk, 7/7/10, SR 1...
2% rate dealing half dmg as 1% rate
Perfectly balanced
cyan tartan
Moran SRos
What B1 do you even give to Eva2 if Moran, volume and siren are already taken and wasuka does the vine boom fart at the end of burst so liter suck
peak jungle
Siren Velvet EH HelmTr PrivTr
Is the only reasonable team for Wind-weak SR.
EH might beat XLud or Label B1.
Less team damage, more personal damage.
cyan tartan
It doesn't even have two wind b3
The absolute state
Also doesn't that gimp siren if you only have velvet and mid guns
Is EH worth the damage loss on siren over xlud 
peak jungle
Is EH worth the damage loss on siren over xlud <a:DoroTHINK:1256293397589917807>
No one knows
I think Label b1 > Xlud
there lol
its cus ATK buff is too valuable for Velvet
Idk about HelmTr tbh
cyan tartan
We're not getting wind Sr next right
So they'll add another shill unit for it before we have to make teams
cyan tartan
Yeah but next wind SR will have shill unit as usual
If EH can barely get in now imagine if she has one more unit to compete with
modern burrow
She’s dead. Move on. 
plain eagle
Pretty easy skip yeah?
velvet peak
its K all over again
cyan tartan
No
EH is at least somewhat useable
Just not worth to build when you can run neutrals instead
And do just as well without spending all the stuff
K is just 🚮
modern burrow
Big Butt tier? Yes
potent finch
nobody building her? would be nice to know how she holds up vs Mana/Sakura and top tier neutrals vs wind
icy terrace
can we skip her stacking with pepper
finite tartan
E.H can maintain ele buff
peak jungle
nobody building her? <:wahahaha:1008472874513870882> would be nice to know how ...
A few did. Just have to look in the right place.
She matches SWHA's damage against Modernia Museum, who is weak to Wind.
That's a very low bar given Chisato matching RRH's against Ultra Museum.
peak jungle
What does this mean: even if she is used, not worth it.
cobalt grove
E.H can maintain ele buff
good to know
But it means you need to keep intercepting projectiles / break parts?
thats not very feasible
drifting magnet
I don't care if she's good. She's a wholesome chungus that's and all that matters.
bleak talon
Triple pilgrim banner soon
If there is a triple banner,i am killing myself
dusky plankBOT
cyan tartan
If there is a triple banner,i am killing myself
How many pilgrims are there in the freezer right now
To be released next anni
cyan tartan
Ok but I was talking about the Eden ones
cyan tartan
They can't really not release the pilgrims at the same time because they're in the same fridge and it would be weird if next anni has Noah get accidentally flushed down the toilet
The four beasts are never ever playable
Don't even @ me
bleak talon
Oki
cyan tartan
Next anni is 3 pilgrim banners 100%
cyan tartan
Chat does he know
cyan tartan
Unless they put scarlet inside rose's ass on half anni and the other two on anni but that would make the story even more glacially slow than last year
bleak talon
They called me a psychopath for suggesting the Rose solution
cyan tartan
It would make sense I guess
If snow white and Rapunzel are becoming less autistic someone has to take the L
modest ridge
But it means you need to keep intercepting projectiles / break parts?
Union raid has MatH as infinite hp
So she can stack a lot from summoned mob and parts
cyan tartan
my waterchud life is ruined
everyone hit water last UR because hsw exists now
i'm gonna have to do iron or something instead of just 3 hitting water again
swift turtle
i'm gonna have to do iron or something instead of just 3 hitting water again
Promoted to hitting Iron with og SW
cyan tartan
NOOOO
i played og snow white one time
and never again
i can't believe she's not reset
modern burrow
Surface skill no longer added cuz mode deleted
modern burrow
is she stronk???
She’s as strong as crow
charred dock
fitting
swift turtle
<@520226693403770911>do we have surface skill? <:pepeShy:964998930670694480>
They're revamping it, what kinda revamp we don't know, so there's even potential for "surface skills" to be completely removed altogether
swift jackal
swift turtle
Maybe they change to assigning skills to characters and you research or loot the skillsets, for example, and the skills have restrictions like must be Missilis + Defender, or Squad Name, etc
And they don't give any at all for Abnormal They can only use General skills
Or they bring back the exact same surface content we know and hate
swift jackal
Or they bring back the exact same surface content we know and hate <a:YesNod:981...
i suspect this
swift turtle
Well, officially it's that they set it aside completely
So unless they tell us otherwise, it's abandoned
Like Liberation
I suspect they feared that stirring the pot would just harm their bottom line
So better to just stick to what worked and lines their pockets
I'd like to be pleasantly surprised though
modern burrow
I suspect they feared that stirring the pot would just harm their bottom line
No it’s more like if they can’t make it a time gated gem drain then there’s no point to make it
Making things fun is not their job
swift jackal
No it’s more like if they can’t make it a time gated gem drain then there’s no p...
theres so many things they can do that with
pay to skip upgrade
pay for pots
pay for boss reset
swift jackal
pay to skip hospital
modern burrow
lol
and then listening to the player feedback would circumvent all that
So yeah
Enrichment
swift jackal
they should listen to player feedback and remove gacha from the game starting now 
free pulls for everyone
modern burrow
they should listen to player feedback and remove gacha from the game starting no...
You say that but we’d all welcome the ol system to be completely scrapped and not lose our minds losing on rock rolls
I love when I get the same damn line but slightly shittier for 2 rocks
Why thank you
I wanted that
swift jackal
they should just give their skins for free too
thats the gacha skin feed back every time right
true thicket
They'd never change the OL system. How else can they get you to waste your time on bullshit
swift jackal
They'd never change the OL system. How else can they get you to waste your time ...
by making the bullshit fun
crazy thought
true thicket
Unfortunately we're playing a gacha game
swift jackal
modern burrow
by making the bullshit fun
Fun? in a gacha game?
swift jackal
*Fun?* in a gacha game?
instructions unclear, please enjoy gluttony solo raid for the 3rd time
modern burrow
instructions unclear, please enjoy gluttony solo raid for the 3rd time
And watch it break in a completely retarded but never before seen way
swift jackal
And watch it break in a completely retarded but never before seen way
forgot to make the qte invincible sorry, enjoy reduced dmg half the fight
modern burrow
mint reef
So how is E.H. anyways?
mint reef
That bad huh?
neon oxide
Wind SR exclusive, T4-5
For a non-limited 2%, that's a skip
unless you like character/don't trust wishlist
mint reef
Yeah I'll prbably just wishlist her. I like E.H., but I don't need her.
wooden zenith
mint reef
...So she is out of NPC jail and she is really bad. Are you fucking serious?
modern burrow
Looks like you gotta take one for the team and do it yourself
swift jackal
Wind SR exclusive, T4-5
idk dude im feeling a wind SR exclusive T7 of 5
swift turtle
Looks like you gotta take one for the team and do it yourself
Rocks locked up until new Anis and others
swift jackal
Rocks locked up until new Anis and others <:DoroAhuhe:1194588216624418886>
ur putting ur rocks up new anis and others?
swift turtle
If kit is good enough to burn rocks, I might try getting a monster like my hSW who has 116% ele
Or my Liberalio who has something like 110% ele and 52% atk
limber barn
Wind SR exclusive, T4-5
what's her actual damage like?
cause I was just gonna throw her onto my hybrid cindy team cause I don't have a wind-dps on it
or at mid-invest is she just barely an increase
swift jackal
or at mid-invest is she just barely an increase
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1479125125478744207/image.png?ex=69aae61e&is=69a9949e&hm=794aa4f9aa96282c87f8be4d409a414c5c2639ebd88ed105b11f1a5184f496d4&
my very bad test with synclock
🙂
ssak bursted 2nd and didnt get her last full burst off
iirc shes under swha on modernia museum?
neither eh nor ssak had parts to break here
limber barn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956169630400016384/1479125125478744207/im...
.....
you have got to be kidding me-
that's kinda mid, no?
limber barn
oh welp
we throwing her in wishlist
gotta save rocks for anniv
maybe a random 10x
oh, I got her
ok then
neon oxide
idk dude im feeling a wind SR exclusive T7 of 5
Yeah, if we need healing, Mana basically owns T4
And if we don't, S Sakura probably gets priority cuz we can S Ros + Mihara for DoT
swift jackal
sw
swift jackal
siren vel
neon oxide
You thinking Moran with Crown/NGE2/Privaty?
swift jackal
helm prob
neon oxide
Ah yeah, need gen
swift jackal
unless u want to gen with hopes and prayers
neon oxide
Privaty can go with Siren/Vel actually, couldn't she
swift jackal
yea
modest ridge
<@520226693403770911>do we have surface skill? <:pepeShy:964998930670694480>
The 2 collab char as no collab skill so I think they scrapped
neon oxide
They might be planning to rework the skills in general
Wouldn't make sense to add them anymore if so
cyan tartan
...So she is out of NPC jail and she is really bad. Are you fucking serious?
She's an unattractive girl without tits out what did you expect lmao
They asked chatgpt to update her for a modern audience, threw some random beta test kit in and hit send
mint reef
Unattractive?
neon oxide
She's an unattractive girl without tits out what did you expect lmao
I think the cheerleaders make decent a case that the hornybait characters are usually the bad, too
cyan tartan
yeah but they're for dumb pvp whales
pvp players have no rights so they keep getting gimmick characters that shit on the current meta specifically every month
to swipe on or get cucked out of champion arena
i think EH is unironically designed for sr museum
like how when they made anomaly a few months later they replaced a few filler banners with low tier units that happen to counter anomaly boss like mana and bready
they had to stop because everyone can auto stage 7 now so they won't care about a gimmick unit so they made a unit for museum modernia specifically
modernia shits out projectiles and parts like mad to stack scrap and the gigantic attack buff counters modernia giga defense
neon oxide
Off-raid units are basically never good
Rouge and seamaids were the only exceptions
Even Tove was mostly a meme until B Soda came out
I don't even think they thought about her for museum 
Non-Limited 2% SR Feature: Elemental Niche
Non-Limited 2% Off-Raid: PvP or Mid
Seasonal Limited 2%: Strong Elemental Niche if feature, mid if not
Collab Limited 2%: Roll of the Dice
Any 1%: Strong
Works 90% of the time
cyan tartan
The best thing about EH is that she allowed me to reach 300k gems
neon oxide
Yeah, I did my usual 30 (main)/10 (alts) for her and took whatever luck I had 
Otherwise, just saving up for summer
true thicket
...So she is out of NPC jail and she is really bad. Are you fucking serious?
Consequence of being released just before a pilgrim/overspec
neon oxide
?
true thicket
Anni soon
true thicket
I can almost guarantee the next few units before anni will probably be ass or niche too
neon oxide
The solo raid features should be strong enough to be at least meta in their element
Always are
cyan tartan
I can almost guarantee the next few units before anni will probably be ass or ni...
Next unit will be SR meta
I wonder how much gems I should spend on wipe out
I only do one per day but maybe I should do two
70 gem isn't that much more than 50
neon oxide
Next water unit probably kills Quency, next electric probably kills Scarlet, next wind kills EH/S Sakura/Mana or Noir, next fire kills Alice or Vesti. Iron's the only weird one because it's so stuffed with 1% and limiteds
true thicket
Scarlet been out the game for a while lmao
neon oxide
No, she's still T5 in electric SR
true thicket
If you're running her with trina maybe
cyan tartan
If you really hate neutral and want to build her and Trina for that
I just put SBS lib and hsw as the last two teams
neon oxide
Yeah, for top 3%, that works easily
I don't consider units dead unless even the top 50 are forsaking them
Scarlet had 79% usage, so she's perfectly alive rn
cyan tartan
visual linden
i gotta use scarlet on watery poop even though some other units are probably better 
cyan tartan
Cringe game
neon oxide
3.7% usage in top 50
true thicket
In a perfect world guillotine is sss tier
cyan tartan
3.7% guilo still very high
neon oxide
That's Laplace tier
visual linden
3.7% out of 50 = 1.85
neon oxide
visual linden
neon oxide
3.7% out of 50 = 1.85
Top 50 of all servers
neon oxide
I use Laplace
I did for this last raid, ye
visual linden
9 then
neon oxide
You had it right with 11
visual linden
what’s the 6th server
visual linden
yea man, land of AR15’s, ford F-150 and 4000 calories lunches
neon oxide
but yeah, the teams I typically recommend to my union use a lot of units that are "dead" by top 50 standards, so Top 3% meta and top 50 meta are entirely different, since top 3% basically allows you to use anyone as long as they're invested enough
cobalt grove
The 2 collab char as no collab skill so I think they scrapped
Not scrapped***
Revamped system
cobalt grove
if boss has no aoe undodgeable attacks
Every boss has 1
neon oxide
Gravedigger doesn't as long as you don't fail QTEs
Blacksmith doesn't either
Nor Alteisen
Modernia
cyan tartan
Not scrapped***
Revamped system
Revamped into the bin
Electro land eater is so cringe
I'll never forgive the chinese
It's my favorite team but I don't play electro
cobalt grove
Gravedigger doesn't as long as you don't fail QTEs
wow
nice of you to name old release bosses
neon oxide
I mean, Alteisen is a museum boss, and Gravedigger's due for an alternate element SR at some point since we've only had it once
And you said every boss
cobalt grove
original BlackSmith SR sure had one
neon oxide
Did it? 
I thought that's only a QTE fail
The OG had the single target laser of random targeting that was insanely annoying, but I don't remember AoE
cobalt grove
I had a memory
nit sure if real
that it shoots everyone if the turretd are still up
neon oxide
Either way, museum Blacksmith isn't electric-weak, so Guillotine wouldn't be used anyway 
cobalt grove
And now every new boss just have unavoidable chip damage or fart damage
not sure if gluttony had one?
cobalt grove
Either way, museum Blacksmith isn't electric-weak, so Guillotine wouldn't be use...
Someday Water Smith might come
neon oxide
Gluttony's AoE is QTE fail? When it does the giant fart, right?
cobalt grove
We had Stormbringer and WindBringer alr
cobalt grove
Gluttony's AoE is QTE fail? When it does the giant fart, right?
still avoidable imo
neon oxide
Yeah
cobalt grove
really thinking about unavoidable ones now
tbh Guillo is just bad desigm
to design
maximum Power st 1HP
neon oxide
I think her design is fine; her numbers are just way too low
cobalt grove
is just flawed design
Good design would be like MAXpower at 50%
but also has self Lifesteal to keep that number
neon oxide
If she had disgusting scaling by missing % HP, then we'd get actually rewarded for keeping her at 1hp, and it would be more worthwhile to just let her stay at lower hp with a weaker healer like passive Helm or Nayuta
cobalt grove
soon guillotine treasure
cyan tartan
swift turtle
soon guillotine treasure
When Guillotine is killed, she instead fully heals and her scaling from missing HP changes to continuously active as if at 1% hp. Start new scaling for ATK DMG, reaches same % as ATK if Guillotine is at 1% hp again.
Now you have to essentially kill her twice to maximize benefits
Indomitable if she dies a third time, lasting 10 seconds.
Oh and change her burst to also mark the nuked target with Dragon’s Wrath. Target takes 100% more damage from Guillotine only.
Duration: 30 seconds
hazy herald
Give us a CDR/Buffer who only works if any ally is at 50% HP or less.
cobalt grove
Give us a CDR/Buffer who only works if any ally is at 50% HP or less.
Conditional CDR
what is this
0.5y Anniv ?
cyan tartan
When Guillotine is killed, she instead fully heals and her scaling from missing ...
cope
she doesn't have fat tits so they can't give her a gacha skin so she's not getting a good treasure
milk treasure upon ye
potent finch
EH so shit this turned into a guillotine thread
brittle yacht
Since guillo is electric now lets talk about the most shitty electric
When will harran get her nikke support 
potent finch
SU really need to balance the treasures between elements out more tho.. water has like 3 insane ones.. and then fire has 2 good ones.. electrix has best b1 (or top2)
Wind has like diesel 
neon oxide
Epinel treasure plz
dull harbor
EH skip?
neon oxide
Don't know if this was posted
絶望的
Truly sad when even PESU MY basically gives up hope for a unit
potent finch
Rough.. i think mana was down to 70% usage and sakura well below 50% last wind raid.. possible she never sees serious use depending on next wind raid unit
neon oxide
72.7% and 40.7%, yeah
Noir was down to 49.7% as well
Wind is basically just 1%/limited or bust
icy terrace
When Guillotine is killed, she instead fully heals and her scaling from missing ...
would be hilarious to watch in pvp
icy terrace
Truly sad when even PESU MY basically gives up hope for a unit
pesu just said toss it into the wishlist
neon oxide
pesu just said toss it into the wishlist
Yup
terse wolf
This is the unit I get a double from a 10-pull?
swift turtle
This is the unit I get a double from a 10-pull?
Eh is just eh.
Now you have twice the eh
cobalt grove
Since guillo is electric now lets talk about the most shitty electric
When will ...
Harran
was Cucked hard
Cinder got the bug where she could do 2x the Damage with Burst because of Charge Damage
Guess what
Harran got that too
but
Removed and not added as Innate damage
lmao
cucked
cyan tartan
People didn't pull arcana enough so Harran is dead forever
hazy herald
Harran needed solo kills like Epinel to ramp up fully and that’s really not possible after leaving low deficit campaign.
Her main purpose was being bugged to help lucky players and whales get a jump on the campaign over everyone who didn’t have her.
potent finch
Isabel/Arcana are legit.. trina/scarlet not so much... (SR)
swift jackal
Guess what
Harran got that too
harran also had the bug where we had lvl 1 burst skills
during the same time
chilly compass
pesu just said toss it into the wishlist
At least she's good for new players to pull who don't have ScarBS, Liberalio, Oscar and Ray.
cobalt grove
harran also had the bug where we had lvl 1 burst skills
Regardless
x2.5 Burst damage for free was a feature
sadly she didnt generate $$$$ for SU for them to implement it as a bonus when bugfixed
cobalt grove
At least she's good for new players to pull who don't have ScarBS, Liberalio, Os...
who is oscar
Is that Voice to Text Asuka and Rei
neon oxide
who is oscar
Asuka → Aska → Oscar
Oh, didn't notice second message cuz eyes drawn to gif
swift jackal
asucky
cobalt grove
no idea why asuka or rei was in his list there
chilly compass
no idea why asuka or rei was in his list there
They're better DPS units than E.H.
neon oxide
People who don't have are at a severe disadvantage in wind-weak SR. EH can help mitigate that a bit
potent finch
Suprised she got decent ratings from pydrwen
honest sapphire
Seems like Prydwen got E.H secret kit
brittle yacht
That should be mana methink
dark lark
Seems like Prydwen got E.H secret kit <:kekw:1009394634692247632>
What
I thought I typed in Mana
😭
Typo
Will be fixed
neon oxide
Suprised she got decent ratings from pydrwen
Her kit isn't terrible. Wind is just too stacked
Just wait for EX Raid where boss is immune to neutral damage. EH will be mandatory
swift jackal
Her kit isn't terrible. Wind is just too stacked <:kek:798677933253853245>
Her kit is pretty bad
Imo
neon oxide
Her kit is pretty bad <:Doro:1146503869988343848>
Compare to D or Epinel
She's around S Sakura and Mana, who still see use in SR even in top 50
That's not bad
swift jackal
Compare to D or Epinel <a:sip:852191855084437534>
Ssak is basically around cuz no atk to steal Miranda buff
swift jackal
Compare to D or Epinel <a:sip:852191855084437534>
I mean if we go for absolute trash as a standard at least it's better than crow b3 guess it's useable
But yea ssak is around by having 0 atk steroids to steal (I think u get more dropping her for priv/helm now for example) and mana has heals for team 5
neon oxide
Epinel also has no ATK steroids to heal since her S1 can't activate during boss fights
swift jackal
Yea but she sux
neon oxide
My point exactly
swift jackal
Sakura is like eh DMG but without atk steroid so u can Miranda nayuta
T5 usually scrapes bottom of barrel but tbh heal is getting dated as well
neon oxide
An A tier rating is nothing to right home about, but it's not bad either
swift jackal
With moran
neon oxide
because bad is the likes of Epinel/D
swift jackal
Yea a is fine but I consider her bad
neon oxide
They don't suddenly stop existing just because they aren't meta. They define bad or low tier
swift jackal
They don't suddenly stop existing just because they aren't meta. They define ba...
Anything below a is invisible to me
I'm ngl
U know when u scroll on YouTube/insta for too long
And u find the real cursed content
That's b tier
U scrolled too far
neon oxide
No idea what you're talking about
Never used insta and don't know how to "scroll" on Youtube
swift jackal
Never used insta and don't know how to "scroll" on Youtube <:delugiggle:78495488...
Just scroll on ur Google searches to the 7th page
neon oxide
There's something wrong if I have to go to the seventh page
swift jackal
There's something wrong if I have to go to the seventh page <:thonk:888230093267...
Yea the problem is ur bored
That's why I start doom scrolling
And then u get some weird video
neon oxide
I see. I never have that problem
I never have enough time to get everything I need to done 
swift jackal
I never have enough time to get everything I need to done <:deluded:807162366470...
That's me 2026
dark lark
Her kit isn't terrible. Wind is just too stacked <:kek:798677933253853245>
You said it the other way around
Her kit is terrible
Wind just doesn't have anything
neon oxide
No, I meant what I said
neon oxide
Nayuta, NGE2, SBS/Liberalio
and now Siren/Velvet
Wind is filled with 1% and limiteds
Barely any 2% standards
compared to water which has units like X Guillo, Phantom, and QeQ that can fight for slots against others like Brid and Vesti
dark lark
Nayuta, NGE2, SBS/Liberalio <:thonk:888230093267304558>
4.2b
3.6b
6.5b is like
Bad as well
It's ~2b off from what a meta team should have by today's standards
neon oxide
I mean for comparisons
dark lark
The "standard" to be considered meta for wind is
Terrible
Compare this to another coreless raid right
dark lark
Water genuinely has another extra team
Team 5 water = team 4 wind
neon oxide
Meanwhile water has a ton of expendable units
EH looks terrible in comparison to SBS/Libby/Wasuka/Siren/Nayuta
dark lark
Iron has some pierce abuse keeping it alive
But the true damage team is more meta than any team 3/4/5 wind can produce
dark lark
EH looks terrible in comparison to SBS/Libby/Wasuka/Siren/Nayuta
Cuz she is
neon oxide
Yes, because those units are exceptionally good
dark lark
But you can't make 5 teams out of 5 units
neon oxide
Wind is disproportionately filled with universally strong units
dark lark
The units you listed, 2 of them aren't even that great of a DPS (siren and Nayuta), but the state of the element is so mediocre that Nayuta is being given a team where everything is funneled into her
dark lark
Wind is disproportionately filled with universally strong units
That translates to: lack of good elemental dps
neon oxide
Give me a B2 in another element that has remotely close to Nayuta's DPS?
dark lark
Give me a B2 in another element that has remotely close to Nayuta's DPS?
Well, Takina is ok ig
neon oxide
Another limited unit
neon oxide
Yes it does
If you're making guides for players that may start the game in one week, it matters
Takina isn't an option
dark lark
Takina isn't an option
You mean to say if crown was limited, you wouldn't place her sss
desert turret
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