[Velvet] New Unit Megathread

[sturdy trout]

how?

she's a wet noodle even if she corehits

[obtuse comet]

I dunno, they can slap anything to her since her current kit is pretty basic

like giving her damage based on HP

The only thing we know about centi is her spam shield

That's all there is to her(and her high burst gen)

[hushed briar]

+125% Core hit damage is still nice

[obtuse comet]

Watch centi re-enter b2 so you can use naga

[quaint bay]

Except Viper is mandatory for peak water scores in SR

[obtuse comet]

I'm not try hard enough to know about that.
All I see is a unit that's just......don't work most of the time

Shelm is specific, shelm is niche, but SHelm also work

Not the best, but she works well enough even in generic situation

Viper doesn't

[quaint bay]

Viper works, but she's a DPS unit, so she needs proper investment

S Helm doesn't work when you consider she's an Attacker, too

Just happens to have a supportive skill that makes her ez meta

S Helm is about as good at DPS as Privaty

[obtuse comet]

Privaty top DPS if her second to last bullet inflict 0.5s stun

Please give her that shift up

[hushed briar]

They need to remove Last Bullet mech entirely

even CN removed that from Dorothy's kit

[obtuse comet]

Then change lar bullet to every 60 shot

Or however many MMO each weapon use

[hushed briar]

Which is good, because now u dont have to avoid Max Ammo+ OL lines

[obtuse comet]

But that also means privaty no longer buff SAnis

Or any other last bullet skill

[hushed briar]

Easy fix

Priv skill is now changed to " Reduce Bullet requirements from skills by 50% " upon entering full burst

[obtuse comet]

Reduce the required number of any skill that activate after certain number of attack?

[hushed briar]

Same as Sanis, Burst skill should just be " Shoot magic missiles every 1 shot

[hushed briar]

yes

remove all " last bullet " mech entirely

replace it with " every x Ammo " or something

[obtuse comet]

Ye, that would be great

So give privaty every 59 shot, stun target for 0.5s

We need that 10x last bullet damage

[hushed briar]

how is

[sturdy trout]

smelly

[vapid ember]

that massage gun be out in the open, how unsanitary

[sturdy trout]

She's a biohazard

Mushroom pussy

[sturdy trout]

Unit so dead thread turned into goon image dump for the previous unit who is also so dead her thread turned into goon image dump

at least label is goonable

The launch skin issue would be less of an issue if it was bunny Label too

But I guess exia and folkwang have bunny skins so the smelly bunny niche is already filled

[vapid ember]

velvet's tetra yes?

we still need elysion and missilis wind units for tower ffs

[hushed briar]

Is that pornhub?

[wary idol]

Did the guy ask the question yet?

[sturdy trout]

She's so bad even he doesn't feel the need to

[hushed briar]

but the rework isnt here yet

[umbral widget]

for once JP internkun showing up jp

[charred needle]

What it mean dawg

[edgy sparrow]

Jp wrong and said s1 are for all allies
En and kr correct and said its for self

[umbral widget]

it means english was right

it just took 3+ years for us to be right once over jp

[charred needle]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-shine-roman-tyrese-gibson-fast-x-it's-my-time-gif-1969500494138138255

[shell dew]

LETS GO EN INTERN

ITS YOUR TIME TOOO SHINE

[vapid ember]

a broken clock is right something something once a day

[glossy portal]

A broken clock is right twice a day*

[shell dew]

these youngsters can't read analog clocks so its once a day for them

[blissful dagger]

Another skip?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1176103131730427914/1400937686944059556/1369539048741408838.gif

[mighty bone]

She may be worth pulling as a buffer for nayu/sbs/lib if you arent using maids

[primal delta]

Planning to test velvet mirT damage output on release

Am fps nerfed tho will affect fire rate

[gaunt juniper]

velvet mirT vs nayuta mirT?

[glossy portal]

I got gear and 4 rocks ready

But since I do care about wind raids I will probably end up investing in her for any future one , but she is not getting more rocks from me because of UR

[sturdy trout]

Miranda team nerfed by fps fire rate?

What is bro cooking

[hushed briar]

Everything is nerfed by fps

[rain heart]

burst gen is normal SR

burst changes to MG

so yeah, 60 shots per sec

[hushed briar]

PvP power ?

[serene hare]

[median tusk]

can't wait for 1 minute after server opens people show up asking if she's good or if they should pull

[charred needle]

Must ||not ||pull

[sturdy trout]

I'm gonna pull anyway

Unless she twists my nuts

Need to build gold tickets in case they make super anis fatter

[next umbra]

[acoustic ledge]

But is she good? Should I pull?

[upper citrus]

Is she good, and should I pull

[fast shell]

Is she bad, and should I not pull

[acoustic ledge]

Is she pull? Should I good?

[upper citrus]

Am I good? Should she pull?

[edgy sparrow]

The only sniper that can help siren then since every shot count 100 lol

[primal delta]

Miranda damage test incoming Vs nayuta

[silk garden]

All you need to know

[primal delta]

No miranda velvet

[dense narwhal]

She looks good as offburst
(Scoped)

[shell dew]

"scoped" xdd

[glossy portal]

Not looking like a skip so far

[bronze socket]

yeah saw a auto test with lvl 7 s2, and matching mast

[edgy sparrow]

Better buffer for siren nayu and lib I guess thats why she win
Mast only better buffing sbs so yeah

[wooden compass]

Oh no

[median tusk]

haven't tried mast yet, SR15 7/7/7 vel

[primal delta]

Glued to siren she uses a lot of ammo for her lol

Better than 2mg for siren personal damage

But the crown tax

[wooden compass]

Crown goes with them

Nayuta always goes with MirandaTr

Except outside Raid

[primal delta]

Yea
Crown siren wasuka reiT velvet maybe

[wooden compass]

Siren hypercomp soon

SirenB1 bufferB2 bufferB3 bufferB3 oh wait the EVA 2 buffs

[upper citrus]

Does she replace maids for wind in neutral

[bronze socket]

sky's testing her right now

[wooden compass]

Wdym "in Neutral"?

[upper citrus]

Mmast sbs lib in neutral

[bronze socket]

she's gonna end up being a union raid team wind only unit

most likely

[upper citrus]

Does she fit there

[wooden compass]

Who uses mmast sbs lib in neutral

[upper citrus]

A lot?

[wooden compass]

Doesnt seem convincing

How can she fit when u use both maids?

Unless ure talking about team 5 with usual Cindy

[upper citrus]

Idk free up mast for crown team

[wooden compass]

If u use mast with crown, then sbs lib is no longer the best duo

In that case its just your regular offburst competition between XLud, SWHA, etc

And SWHA is still the best flex T5

So if SWHA gets used, SBS + Lib dont happen

[upper citrus]

Then does she fit on that

[wooden compass]

Because SWHA will ideally burst anyway

No she doesnt

She doesnt buff the team as dps

But as support hmm

I dont think she is the best offburst support unless ure using SBS?

Which u wouldnt

[upper citrus]

Isn't she charge dmg buff

[wooden compass]

Yes but not many use it

[upper citrus]

Seems more like lib support

[wooden compass]

Lib can benefit from it but Lib is mostly skill dmg

[bronze socket]

she buffs nayuta the best

[wooden compass]

Yesnt

She buffs RH best

[bronze socket]

in this case

[wooden compass]

[bronze socket]

yeah yeah...

[wooden compass]

In Neutral, if Nayuta goes to T5

[bronze socket]

[upper citrus]

Lib was the only one that did more tho

[wooden compass]

Then maybe Velvet beats the rest but ull use something like

[bronze socket]

from what screenshot

[upper citrus]

This one

[wooden compass]

Lib Rouge/Liter SWHA Nayuta Velvet

[bronze socket]

just wait till sky finishes his testing

can't trust others

[wooden compass]

And Siren

Ud run Lib Rouge/Liter/Siren SWHA Nayuta Velvet on Neutral if u wanna cooe

Cope*

[bronze socket]

the othe screenshot i saw nayuta damage went up by 1b with velvet vs mast

[silk garden]

Velvet in siren team is pepega

Higher burst gen and more siren dmg but literally useless for everyone if it’s MGs

[wooden compass]

Not sure what u mean pepega

[bronze socket]

not practial for any raids tbh, union wind team yes

[wooden compass]

She doesnt burst

[silk garden]

Doesn’t matter

[wooden compass]

What pepega

[silk garden]

Ammo expend counts toward siren

100 ammo per shot

[wooden compass]

Yes, so Velvet doesnt burst

300 ammo actually

[silk garden]

Siren procs the burst gen and the damage based on ammo expenditure

[wooden compass]

Yes

[silk garden]

300 in full burst 100 outside

[wooden compass]

Uhuh it still matters

[silk garden]

So in practice she and siren only would benefit in wind raid

In neutral raids that combo won’t work

[wooden compass]

Not sure what u meant here though

Wdym why cant she work?

[silk garden]

You usually pair siren with rapi Mihara etc which are Mg and which velvet do not buff at all

[wooden compass]

Right now yes

Velvet buffs them wdym AT ALL

[silk garden]

25% caster atk is pepega

Charge dmg buff doesn’t do crap for mg

Example iron weak raid I would never pair siren velvet with rh

Gimp my rapi eve team since no burst gen

[wooden compass]

Yes thats why I didnt use Siren in Crown RRH regular team? It was just an example

You use HelmTr in fire weak
Iron then yeah u need Siren
Anyhow

[silk garden]

May be good if we get another siren like char with burst gen on mg team but rn I don’t see them pairing together outside the hyper wind team

[rain heart]

still in office

does her ammo pouch trigger Siren's dmg?

I know about burst gen already

[silk garden]

Both dmg and burst gen

[rain heart]

but what about dmg?

I see

Velvet burst = 7 MG

[silk garden]

It counts towards the ammo

[rain heart]

Velvet off burst = 5 MG

[shell dew]

she is forced to be offburst huh

[bronze socket]

i mean u would never burst with her over nayuta

[shell dew]

over anyone tbh

[bronze socket]

and her s2 is only off burst

which is the only buffing she does

[vapid ember]

so she's actually good?

at least for wind team

from what i heard

[shell dew]

she might be a wind ur unit

[charred needle]

God told me to stop rolling after 40 pulls. I’m done.

[bronze socket]

from sky's testing mlb ol should beat out a c7 mast for off burst

[charred needle]

That’s some whale meth

[bronze socket]

yes so lower dupes mast lb0 velvet will just beat

or match

[vapid ember]

mast burst 3rd?

[bronze socket]

what

oh

idk think no

but mast bursting 3 stacks vs not

isn't that big a diff

[fluid lintel]

I did 80 and nothing

got 17k left

[charred needle]

and a fucker I know who barely plays the game gets everything in 10 pulls I’m not even kidding. He just pulled velvet in the first 10.

[charred needle]

come on down to 10k gems with me

[glossy portal]

She is definitely kicking M Mast out of the offburst slot on UR

[bronze socket]

f2p and didn't get her we go next

yeah mast can be saved for any element now

[charred needle]

As long as she stays only in ur nothing lost

[glossy portal]

Pull

100% wind meta. But be mindful that a big event is coming next, so hold your horses on going for copies until we have confirmation of the next units

[bronze socket]

actually fire doesn't even use crown mast anymore, so just water or iron depending on what u hit

[glossy portal]

Being meta for UR means she is 10000% meta for sr

[sturdy trout]

Did anyone check?

[shell dew]

I did like 60 to get her. idc if she was meta too goon to pass

[sturdy trout]

[charred needle]

Shhhh

[shell dew]

delta angle

[sturdy trout]

With whomst?

On wind?

[shell dew]

do we need to lvl s1 ?

[glossy portal]

Yes on wind

[bronze socket]

kinda hard to fit her in, even tho wind sg sucks but she's not better than ade in terms of buffing don't think ?

[shell dew]

can I cope 1/10/1

[sturdy trout]

SBS lib?

[glossy portal]

Only S2

[sturdy trout]

Maids kill?

[primal delta]

1/7/1 sr5 velvet vs 10/10/10 sr15

Ur use case is there ig

[fluid lintel]

Bless my pulls guys

[sturdy trout]

[void bay]

4/7/4 Velvet SR5 also, minimal OL

[sturdy trout]

I don't see it

Oh Nayuta

[shell dew]

siren damage

is sky high

[primal delta]

Siren damage jumps up a stupid bit

[shell dew]

siren diff ong

[primal delta]

Velvet providing some high quality ammo consumption

[fluid lintel]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[stone swift]

I skipped Liberalio, idk if I should go for this

[sturdy trout]

That's UR doe, you probably still want maids with SBS on SR just so you don't consume 4 good wind on one team

[vapid ember]

out of tetra t9m

not gonna OL

[sturdy trout]

Bro skipped lolibaba feet and ass

[vapid ember]

[sturdy trout]

It's over

[glossy portal]

Just max her S2 when using her as off burst. Her value is dirt cheap, high gains.

4/10/4 if low on books and for UR wind off-burst.

Go 10/10/10 if you plan on investing in her and use her as on-burst for stuff like wind Solo Raids.

[charred needle]

I went down to this. This bitch meta af if I can’t pull.

[sturdy trout]

Bro your blue archive collab pulls????

[charred needle]

I got enough mileage

[sturdy trout]

[shell dew]

tbh 1/10/1 trust

[fluid lintel]

I'm broke

5k left

[sturdy trout]

C7 wakamo day 1

[charred needle]

See you in ur chat bitching about missing another meta maid

https://tenor.com/view/hilarious-so-funny-lol-gif-2121690579508766928

[fluid lintel]

[charred needle]

lol we wish

ba would never collab with shit game

[fluid lintel]

ok

she arrived

on my last ten pull

[charred needle]

[shell dew]

ppl are pulling on pilgrim banners and then complain about being poor smh

[charred needle]

are you fucking kidding me

[vapid ember]

[charred needle]

I got mlb snow in 100 so idk it just works

Until it doesn’t

[shell dew]

man... siren was made to fix mg burst gain

now she will be sr/rl team b1

mg got shafted once again

[glossy portal]

Funny thing, she is the 3rd to receive a chibi that has a moving mouth

[raw cobalt]

What did she say? I can't hear her over pasties.

https://tenor.com/view/hue-huehue-huehuehue-duck-laugh-gif-4916860

[rain heart]

didn't I say Velvet = 5 MG

off burst = 5 MG
on burst = 7 MG

100% charge dmg can be translated into 18.4% dmg buff to Lib's attack

considering 85% of lib dmg is auto attack (both attack and S1)

should be 15% gain for Lib

[shell dew]

siren nayuta hypercarry comp

sky cooked

[rain heart]

6 MG

[shell dew]

in wind she is slightly better than mmast

for 1 team ur

but that free's mast on other teams and sr can be this on wind

man she is a total sidegrade and cheap af

just 1 skill to invest

[vapid ember]

the event ost is not banging

[glossy portal]

Her personal damage during burst is actually gold too

[rain heart]

her personal dmg is around 8200% multiplier

raw, without any buff

[shell dew]

there are no buffs to gain

[bronze socket]

if we get a b3 wind to go with miranda, in the future nayuta ''can'' go here

[rain heart]

[glossy portal]

Lb0, SR15 2atk 3ele (low values)

[normal verge]

oh wtf she is worth getting decent rolls for

half of winds big dps units are supporters

[hot remnant]

out dmged ReiT

[rain heart]

her burst should be 49% attack dmg on self

so final multiplier will be 12516% ATK

[neat quiver]

gatrix can you explain why you're calculating off burst velvet as 5 MG

[normal verge]

is she bursting or is crown bursting in that team?

[neat quiver]

my understanding is she fires 8 bullets per burst, each bullet using 100 ammo

800 bullets which is 1.333 MG

[primal delta]

Imagine

[primal delta]

In full burst she expends 300 from pouch

[neat quiver]

only if she bursts

[primal delta]

No

Without her bursting

[neat quiver]

oh I see ok

so that would be 1100 bullets

still less than 2 mg

not 5 mg

[rain heart]

wait

[primal delta]

Bro what math is this

[rain heart]

400 x 7

2800 right

I expect 8 so 3200

[neat quiver]

well what math are you doing?

I'm asking how we're calculating it

[primal delta]

301 x 8

[shell dew]

I mean self buffing b2 vs no buff mg

[primal delta]

300 from pouch + 1 from base mag

[rain heart]

every shot non burst should consume 400 no?

[neat quiver]

why?

[rain heart]

ah

my bad

100 is NOT IN FULL BURST

[neat quiver]

every shot off burst is 100 ammo

[rain heart]

I thought in burst

2400 then

[primal delta]

On burst it's 300

[shell dew]

thats like crippling mg's legs then making them race in a sprint

[neat quiver]

let's look at this

[rain heart]

if I assume 7 shots which is 0% cs

[primal delta]

With cs and manual play if you get 10 shots it's 5 mg, if you don't it's 4mg

[neat quiver]

when attacking with full charge during full burst

i.e. when not bursting

[rain heart]

it's 3.5 MG

[neat quiver]

wait have they changed the kit

[rain heart]

7 x 301 = 2107

[neat quiver]

I swear in game it says 100 ammo

[rain heart]

2107/600 = 3.5

wait it scales with level?

[primal delta]

Skill 1 says 100 ammo off-burst
Skill 2 says 300 ammo on-burst

[neat quiver]

hang on

[primal delta]

No

[neat quiver]

no you're right I'm just retarded

[rain heart]

anyway, 3.5 MG on 0% cs

with decent cs (8 shots and no reload bs) = 4 MG

hmm

seems like BURSTING her is a better choice

3.5 => 7 MG

[glossy portal]

Bursting on her? Say less

[rain heart]

if you have stonk Siren

[primal delta]

Just manual for 8 shots

[rain heart]

but in both case, her S1 is shit and leave it at 4

[primal delta]

Passive

[rain heart]

4/10/4 or 4/10/10

your choice

[primal delta]

Velvet dps build

Very very little for offburst buffer
She has casters atk

[void bay]

velvet offburst

[vapid ember]

we're not in a luxury to get dupes

[primal delta]

Whales gonna whale idk

[vapid ember]

i'm a whale and it seems like SU is sucking my blubber drier and drier with passing time

[glossy portal]

Pull dupes for more damage = ❎

Pull dupes for the lobby bg =

[neat quiver]

isn't it 6 MG if she bursts rather than 7? She procs every 0.8s, so 12 times in 1 burst, 12 x 300 = 3600 which is 6 x 600

or am I missing something again

[rain heart]

do you forget her own shot?

600

she's a MG

[neat quiver]

but does she actually expend ammo or is it infinite?

I know her skills expend ammo

but does she?

I assumed that 300 was her own ammo expenditure

I wouldn't add an extra 50 to that

unless you've seen evidence otherwise

[primal delta]

She's expends ammo

If it's infinite this chat would be flooded with mirT velvet lmao

[neat quiver]

has anyone tried that?

[primal delta]

I did

She's not infinite so she can't abooz mirT

[neat quiver]

so does she have a separate ammo counter to her funky skill based ammo counter?

when she is in MG mode?

I just don't know why we're assuming she expends an additional 50 on top of the 300 she expends from her ammo

an honest question

[primal delta]

999 ammo for weapon change, pouch aside

She mg

She uses 600 ammo at 60fps

Very normal stuff

Every 50 shots she proc 300

[neat quiver]

where is this 999

[vapid ember]

anyone tested off burst velvet vs mast against kraken?

[potent estuary]

Her ammo consumption triggers siren's skill??

[vapid ember]

which one dies faster

[neat quiver]

oh I see if, you can't see it if you control her

[potent estuary]

I thought it is just some fancy energy

[neat quiver]

oh ok so maybe she does count her own ammo, cool

wild

[wooden compass]

Can someone do a realistic test

[neat quiver]

I shall test

[potent estuary]

We have tons of book 1 and 2 that every new nikke can go 7/7/7 at least

[wooden compass]

Siren Crown AsukaW ReiT DeltaT
Siren Crown AsukaW ReiT Velvet

[wooden compass]

This is the only thing that matters
Anything else doesnt

Nayuta goes with Miranda anyw

[shell dew]

next wind sr is a miranda b3

[neat quiver]

pretty similar

pb with mast is 1:15 so 1:17 is same ballpark

[final ore]

so she's not a skip?

[fluid lintel]

Haha....nope

[final ore]

well she skipped me

Back to factory gaming

[glossy portal]

@rain heart got a number on the cs needed to hit more times during full burst ?

[rain heart]

I think it's 11% for 1 more shot during FB

[glossy portal]

Yeah thinking on what OLs would be best

Going with 2cs for 10/12 sounds like a decent option

[shell dew]

she won't be on crown

so at least 1 ammo

or two to be safe

[trim trout]

should we also consider having ammo on the others

[bronze socket]

siren nayuta don't need ammo, sbs lib ofc wants 1 each

[normal verge]

pretty happy with her damage.. need to work on my asuka ol tho

[shell dew]

this team hurts my soul man

[final ore]

Should've expected maid unit to be good and not a skip

Even tho its a 2 week slop event

[shell dew]

wasuka hypercarry team with no buffs to hypercarry

[final ore]

Its collab next isnt it

[sturdy trout]

Centi treasure will save it

[normal verge]

yeah mast best non pilgrim unit last year

[fast shell]

Velvet meta

Very nice

[normal verge]

i mean its vs union boss.. for raid.. nayuta goes with miranda, maids with sbs/lib and then velvet/siren + mgs.. can split up auska/rei to another team#

shotgun team rounds it out

[shell dew]

same team can work if you just burst on crown

[normal verge]

lose overall damage probably

all tho i didntr test

[shell dew]

and next wind sr , we wil get a new nikke too

they might change everything

[final ore]

Is her charge dmg up only good for nayuta, do any other units work welll with her

[shell dew]

she acts like a mg for siren

and in fb she is 3 mg in 1

[alpine perch]

whats her offburst vs onburst?
onburst = more ammo expended and more self dps
offburst = ally atk buff and charge damage buff

is this basically correct?

[sturdy trout]

Yes

How good is she off burst for siren compared to random mg?

[shell dew]

she uses similar ammos on both on/off burst

[shell dew]

she is 3,5 ish mg

[sturdy trout]

So without burst she's like 2?

[glossy portal]

OLs

As off-burst she only needs 2 things, max ammo and charge speed.

1-2x Max ammo
2-3x Charge speed (for a total of 11%)

11% cs means she can hit 1 more full charged shoot within a full burst rotation.

If malding for Wind Solo Raid

4x atk
4x ele
2-3x cs
1-2x max ammo

Should be a pretty well rounded distribution that doesn't break her work as off-burst for UR.

[shell dew]

without burst she is 3,5

let me find the gatrix post

[final ore]

Ninja delta is dead dead right with this unit's release

[final ore]

Bc she'd go into crown team now

[shell dew]

velvet? no she won't be on crown in sr

[glossy portal]

@rain heart should be correct right?

[glossy portal]

Well I am going to eep for now

[shell dew]

good eeps

[alpine perch]

so better onburst if you willing to invest, better offburst for budget is the gist of it?
nice, thank you

[glossy portal]

Unpin if a better OL spread is found please

[eager flint]

I need to know what is written below, should be seggs and more seggs

[umbral widget]

1/7/1 for now, figure out if u want to run a siren velvet team during wind sr u can level her burst then

[hot remnant]

cs% break points should be 11/18/25% for 11/12/13 shots in full burst fyi

[young bluff]

i'm not convinced velvet is anything more than siren's trina in disguise

[wooden compass]

Why

Do we care about CS

its pointless outside Arena

[young bluff]

ammo consumption from full charge

[wooden compass]

oh

Ig

[vapid ember]

not gonna ol, fuck that

siren is not hypercarry tier anyway

[wooden compass]

for 0.6 more siren trigger is wild

[young bluff]

yeah i just can't care

unless there's more units who do ammo consumption stuff, i don't see velvet as anymore than a hyperniche unit who happens to be better than offburst mmast on UR wind flush team

on a team with 3/4 chargers and 1/4 ammo consumer

[bronze socket]

yeah basically just this

don't see being that good in sr

[umbral widget]

shes hyper nieche in my bed

[wooden compass]

shes OP

[umbral widget]

[bronze socket]

yeah but where are u fitting her in, her personal damage also needs to be better than ade's buffing

[wooden compass]

can u test

[umbral widget]

test wat

[wooden compass]

Siren Crown

[bronze socket]

who else on that team ?

[wooden compass]

Siren Crown AsukaW ReiT DeltaT
Siren Crown AsukaW ReiT Velvet

[wooden compass]

Dunno whose burst is better in T2

[bronze socket]

ah yeah I can see that

[young bluff]

that's a bit too strict imo

[bronze socket]

u know what yeah most likely is better than delta

[young bluff]

what happens if crown gets a better replacement for her on that team

[bronze socket]

all these testing are like increasing siren damage by 1b

[umbral widget]

im pretty sure its better than delta

[young bluff]

prob better than that yeah

[umbral widget]

because delta is < mmast

[wooden compass]

test

u have Delta

I want % value

like 5% better

[young bluff]

but rn she's so tied to siren and her ammo consumption that i can't help but look at velvet and think that, for now at least, she lives and dies by siren and how important siren's self dmg is in that comp. all it takes to displace if she's not a huge increase on current best hyper siren SR team is someone who beats her by any % and is more consistent for unit pool

[shell dew]

at worse case she is a burst gen demon for siren

[umbral widget]

delta 7/1/1 velvet 1/7/1

no ol on delta

[hushed zephyr]

test with xlud

[wooden compass]

Which one is which

[umbral widget]

its also shooting range

[umbral widget]

higher is velvet

[wooden compass]

Try with velvet burst

[umbral widget]

my siren is also kinda eh

[umbral widget]

im not investing in her burst yet

wont be relevant info

since no ele rolls no burst levels

[autumn marsh]

Crazy how everyone was saying skip

She looks good

[wooden compass]

just do it we can predict max dmg

[umbral widget]

if only we could see that they would do a new mechanic again

that coins will affect siren

shoulda just peeked into the future

[wooden compass]

by math

[umbral widget]

.

[autumn marsh]

Certified ball knower

[bitter glade]

very nice pin, good job mods

[autumn marsh]

…

[autumn marsh]

I saw this too

[shell dew]

she is wind meta, her buffs are suboptimal

siren is a god

all checks out

[bronze socket]

only reason she's matching mast or beating her is cause she works with siren, no one able to guess that without testing

[autumn marsh]

Buff the best b1 in the game, what more could u want

[shell dew]

and she is meta because she can free mmast for other comps for ur

[bitter glade]

my Siren is ready

[shell dew]

nice

[autumn marsh]

Im to use to seeing new mechanics lead to broken aspects

[hushed zephyr]

no other element uses mast tho

[autumn marsh]

I dont think she better than mmast tho

[bitter glade]

huh

[autumn marsh]

But a buff towards siren is definitely something

[umbral widget]

broken how, could be hidden mechanic to 1shot boss then

[hushed zephyr]

fire is 5 fire comp, water is selegg, electric is xmaiden/anis or isabel comp, iron is shelm

the only place where mmast is used is wind for UR

[bitter glade]

velvet free up mmast from wind comp for UR without sacrificing dmg. That's already enough to pull her

[autumn marsh]

Lol broken as in a huge leap of dps when used correctly

[umbral widget]

enjoy the weak test

[autumn marsh]

But u never know she could break a raid boss soon

[shell dew]

wow

[umbral widget]

theres so many ways different things could be broken

for example 1shot jill

[hushed zephyr]

the reason to pull her is increasing wind dmg, freeing up mmast has no value for UR unless u dont have all the meta nikkes built or obtained

[umbral widget]

its impractical to asume all of them

[bitter glade]

i love how goofy Crown is here

[autumn marsh]

Agreed

[umbral widget]

crown is first waifu

velvet is 2nd waifu

[wooden compass]

thanks

[autumn marsh]

Mmast is waifu

This mmast slander by cloud is criminal

[wooden compass]

Crown burst better then

[hushed zephyr]

its not slander its true, when ur able to stack all the elemental dps on one team for UR mast loses value

mmast is good value for SR, but not so much for UR when u have everyone

[umbral widget]

u nearly double her dmg off this

not to mention another 40-50% ele increase possible

[shell dew]

0x2=0

[wooden compass]

corehit?

[umbral widget]

yea this was corehit

[autumn marsh]

Union raid?

[bitter glade]

there's some truth to it, but UR is much more nuance than that

[wooden compass]

S2 counts too

its not double

[umbral widget]

if only 0=2.5b

[hushed zephyr]

yea i listed the reasons here https://discordapp.com/channels/968096627002851379/1465645525196996628/1466412860002275567

[umbral widget]

wym, i mean her personal dmg on the bursting run

[hushed zephyr]

basically other elements have better dedicated "supports"

[umbral widget]

if u double that number from burst leveled

[young bluff]

this really shouldn't be dismissed

[umbral widget]

then it becomes alot closer

[bitter glade]

your propositions crumble as soon as the person attack 1 element more than once

[wooden compass]

look at S2

[umbral widget]

but without core would be different

[umbral widget]

wat about it

oh this

[hushed zephyr]

yes but its not efficient to attack the same element more than once in most cases

[autumn marsh]

Mmast has been used in every sr since release still sits in sss tier for bosses and ss for campaign purposes and usually follows crown

[young bluff]

in the teams where she's better, % gains are more important than raw gains bc raw gains don't mean anything when someone is sync 600 and 5% can be say a 1b gain

[umbral widget]

i guess it doesnt up that much then

[autumn marsh]

For union raid ig but thats not what people are really chasing

[young bluff]

velvet has no utility to the team like reload that can account for real world scenarios like downtime or ammo econony of your team

[wooden compass]

maybe if 4 ele she beats Crown burst

[hushed zephyr]

yea but my whole point was how useful freeing up mmast for UR actually is, i wasnt arguing against her viability anywhere else

[wooden compass]

might as well not use ReiTN at that point or Crwn

[umbral widget]

with core its like 35% increase?

on the burst

[young bluff]

if we get another reload buffer with similar presence in a velvet enabling team, then while on paper that may look similar, practically that new reload buffer - maybe privaty with treasure - is just better than velvet in at least consistency

[wooden compass]

PrivatyTr incoming

[umbral widget]

prob a little less cuz my s2 isnt maxed

like 30%

so u need ele to carry

to beat crown

without core i think crown wins?

drops to like 20% increase

from headmath

[wooden compass]

maybe

but the others also core hit

[wooden compass]

#1465649425287479407 message

Asuka might move out of Siren Velvet

XDiesel and Maxwell go with Miranda

Helm goes here

maybe with privaty

or xlud

[mighty dome]

Did Velvet/Nayuta pan out or is it mostly focused on Siren and WAsuka?

[wooden compass]

Siren Velvet HelmTr PrivTr Crown

Crown off burst in Raid letsgo

[shell dew]

privtr

[wooden compass]

oh wait

Siren WONT burst

u use another B1

oh no

the best one is Label

LMAO

RH if u cope

[shell dew]

you overcooked

[bitter glade]

someone put this guy to sleep

[shell dew]

take a step back

[bitter glade]

Kisenix going apeshit

[autumn marsh]

When the all nighter starts hitting

[autumn marsh]

Also do u add a “not” each year or something

[wooden compass]

Label Velvet HelmTr PrivatyTr Siren

[wooden compass]

@umbral widget

[shell dew]

so.. we are wasting 2 burstgen demons for 1 team

[wooden compass]

I cooked

[wooden compass]

other teams dont need in wind weak

we have SWHA

Maids Lib

SG comp

[wooden compass]

this one a bit cope but

Blanc

anywho

[shell dew]

tbh sg might get kicked out

depending on the banner

[hushed zephyr]

I mean vs queen #1 used siren+helm same team

[shell dew]

thats so cursed man

[wooden compass]

Siren Velvet still needs burst gen

Label Velvet HelmTr Privaty Siren

can any1 test this at least

[shell dew]

you need someone who didn't reset priv and invested on label

gl

[umbral widget]

i think thats cuz they didnt want to invest in delta

top end delta would be higher but needs alot

and helm gains on another team

big win tho

but yea we have alot of burst gen in 2026

[shell dew]

tinfoil hat time

velvet is good with siren, nayuta and lib

that means next wind banner is a b3 that goes with lib

[glossy portal]

Blame that on la Culebra solida

@heady wigeon

[primal egret]

what pin

[charred needle]

Nooo my message

https://tenor.com/view/zenless-zone-zero-miyabi-hoshimi-miyabi-zzz-sad-gif-15559419337247447471

Make snek pull velvet jigglers

[bitter glade]

skill recommendation ?

[cobalt jungle]

She needs OL? Thought I can just up her skills and call it a day

[bronze socket]

yes just s2 lvl 10 and call it can ol little more caster's attack

[bitter glade]

Snake delete his shame

[cobalt jungle]

Still wanna see what's the next event is first. Not sure if I am desperate to improve my wind roster

[obtuse comet]

The main improvement velvet give your team is the increase in average boob size

[cobalt jungle]

That “wind” can “blow” skk dry huh

[bitter glade]

free up mmast on wind team is pretty good though

[cobalt jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-fart-hold-explosion-red-face-gif-9542860

[charred needle]

yea big

[late lava]

5k gems and a dream should I pull

[bronze socket]

unless ur double hitting a element u probably don't need to save mast elsewhere

[late lava]

[bronze socket]

lol skip angle

[late lava]

Another one to the wishlist

[bright crow]

So, am I hearing velvet isn't trash?

Is it true or just copium?

[fluid lintel]

Pull

[vapid ember]

it depends on how your nayuta and siren are mostly

if they have stacked ol lines yea velvet gives a lot of value

sbs likes mast more

but velvet also buff nayuta, siren and lib a bit

[bitter glade]

if you don't care about wind at all, she's very easy skip

if you do, she's a very good pull

[glossy portal]

Do I need to say more? Pull

[hot axle]

Wat about 110 reload 1 ammo meme

[hushed briar]

it's a bad mechanic entirely

[hot axle]

Also is Velvet a waifu pull only?

[hushed briar]

something that contradicts with OL lines

[hushed briar]

eh, i dont like slutty girls

[obtuse comet]

I find your lack of faith, disturbing

[obtuse comet]

On the upper side of average.

[bronze socket]

what?

bro has 0 pulls idk better to save them

[obtuse comet]

Darth Vader quote, smh

[bronze socket]

lol myb

[obtuse comet]

It's not the number of pull that matter, but the number of gods you're praying to

[bronze socket]

[heady wigeon]

She's good?

@glossy portal ?

[glossy portal]

Yes

Kit wise too

[heady wigeon]

Why

Wtf

She actually beat MMast?

[glossy portal]

She did the funny with siren

[heady wigeon]

Wtf

Amazing

[glossy portal]

If you were on jiggle chat you know what that means

[heady wigeon]

Yeah ik

[glossy portal]

Yeah she beats m.mast

[heady wigeon]

I was the one who talked about it

:dorowhip:

[rain heart]

Velvet burst is not bad, but I can't find a team where I will burst her

[glossy portal]

Maybe the next units coming will also use her ammo pouch

And make an entirely new team for wind SR

[rain heart]

for now, my highest dmg in wind weak is Nayuta - Lib - Siren - SBS - Velvet

[wooden compass]

Son

[rain heart]

which is insane lol

no Crown

[glossy portal]

Cuz I don't get why they'd make her have 6000 ammo and not being remotely able to use them by herself

[rain heart]

29.79b on Crown, 30.56 on non Crown

yikes

[heady wigeon]

Also you guys are maids stop whipping me and just pin the stuff

[scarlet verge]

is velvet better on resil or bastion

[rain heart]

she's not that picky, a Wingman will do

but if not, Bastion or Resi are both fine

[sturdy trout]

velvet literally saved by siren

but everyone who didn't give siren 4 ele gets exposed

[rain heart]

actually

[glossy portal]

Don't pin stuff before release next time

[rain heart]

it's not that big increased on Siren (except if you burst Velvet)

she's saved by Nayuta the goat

[glossy portal]

But I get it, no one thought she would work with siren either

[heady wigeon]

Blame nit

[glossy portal]

SU always doing the funny

[hushed briar]

what's the purpose

of multiple MGs ?

[heady wigeon]

Burst gen

[glossy portal]

Siren's damage

[umbral widget]

i feel like every time a new unit comes and people post things theres always some bad line players exposed

[heady wigeon]

And ghat5

That

[sturdy trout]

finally

mute button

[heady wigeon]

Wdym by she buffs nayuta

[hushed briar]

So nothing inherent to Velvet's Kit

[umbral widget]

theres always some dude who comes out and has like the trashiest OL comparing to new units

[heady wigeon]

But velvet works with shit ol too

[umbral widget]

nono

ur going to see some really bad siren/nayu or smth

[sturdy trout]

nayuta has charge weapon in burst so velvet buffs that if off burst but why would you do that

[hushed briar]

yeah, i'm aware of Mermaid's skills, but just asking because it has nothing to do with Velvet's kit

[umbral widget]

[hushed briar]

that's all

[umbral widget]

or really bad nayu/sbs with huge sirens

with velvet

[heady wigeon]

velvet makes it possible

To spam that skill

[sturdy trout]

most of nayuta damage comes from the trigger on shoot and you have to off burst velvet so your siren get nerf

[heady wigeon]

Cuz of ammo count

[umbral widget]

it always happens whenever theres a new unit

[heady wigeon]

Thing

[heady wigeon]

Business card

[hushed briar]

elaborate

[umbral widget]

remember when nayu came out and then some people had like half dmg sbs to lib while getting lib buff

or siren clapping sbs/wasuka in dmg

[heady wigeon]

I'm assuming what's happening is that

When Velvet consumes 300 ammo, it triggers siren skill as well

Which means velvet is shooting like 5MG worth of bullet or smthng if you manual her

[umbral widget]

this

[heady wigeon]

Which is

Crazy

Tbh

For siren chan

[sturdy trout]

you need to full charge to consume ammo

[heady wigeon]

But these guys said some shit about

[hushed briar]

This has to be a bug, right?

[heady wigeon]

Velvet and nayuta

[heady wigeon]

Why?

[hushed briar]

she's not actually using 300 ammo

[heady wigeon]

It's literally working as intended

[heady wigeon]

It's as its worded my guy

[hushed briar]

Ammo pouch is like just a buff counter

[glossy portal]

Literally her kits says so

[sturdy trout]

literally just this

[scarlet verge]

wait im such a dumbass

[heady wigeon]

Oh

[scarlet verge]

i thought she was a b3

[heady wigeon]

The 100% charge damage?

[sturdy trout]

ye

siren nayuta velvet the dream

[heady wigeon]

No it's not

[sturdy trout]

siren who?

hey siren nayuta velvet might be better than siren velvet literally anyone else if you didn't OL siren because b1 unit do no damage

[glossy portal]

Basically these two go together

1 charged shot from velvet = 300 bullets fired

During burst*

[hushed briar]

what's the point of manualling

it only triggers with full charges

[heady wigeon]

Faster full charges

[umbral widget]

theres delays after shooting

for all auto play

with sniper

[sturdy trout]

you could also use her MG mode tho and consume ammo faster while also adding another mg

[umbral widget]

but if ur fingers are boomer then ur probably better off eating the delay

[wooden compass]

Velvet Siren HelmTr B3 Crown good

[heady wigeon]

Why helm

Who wants healing in 2026

[sturdy trout]

full charge takes 1s per 300 bullet, mg takes 5/6s for 350 bullet

[wooden compass]

Atk dmg and crown atk buff

[hushed briar]

She's not even remotely related to how Overclock is, so i'm assuming they're all okay with Sdoro and SW now

[umbral widget]

i think hes trying to make a team 5

[wooden compass]

And burst gen

[sturdy trout]

actually more than 1s because of delays

[umbral widget]

or team 4

wind

[heady wigeon]

Really

Burst gen

[umbral widget]

instead of slamming everything into 2 teams

[wooden compass]

Yes

[thorny mason]

So

How is she doing in game ?

[hushed briar]

thirsty

[wooden compass]

Can u test Kos

Siren Velvet Crown Helm Priv

[thorny mason]

Nah but like how does she perform in the wind team

How is her personal dmg

What lines is she looking for

[gleaming drum]

Pin

[thorny mason]

Why are max ammo and 11% charge speed more important than ele ?

Or are you like saying 4 ele and then ammo and cs ?

[glossy portal]

They are not important if you ONLY want to use her as off-burst

Cuz her off-burst damage is meaning less

[thorny mason]

And is she better than crown as off burst for wind team ?

[glossy portal]

Yes

[thorny mason]

Ok Nice

[rain heart]

team 5

Crown

huh

[bright crow]

Lol

[thorny mason]

Nahhhh

Never

[wooden compass]

Siren Velvet HelmTr Priv/XLud Crown/Velvet(Burst)

*Label

[bright crow]

Wait until the 20th anniversary

[dull hatch]

Whats the burst gen?

[rain heart]

I don't want to test a random team with 2 random supporters and Crown as non burst

[thorny mason]

We still don’t have the kits for the treasures right ?

[bright crow]

Nope

[rain heart]

Velvet + Siren = burst gen

[umbral widget]

no im about to go to work

[wooden compass]

Its the best wind weak SR team

I have mathed

Velvet Siren burst gen not enough

[rain heart]

[dull hatch]

Where she is in the burst gen chart between two nikke

[bright crow]

I'm really not expecting a lot either, like centi is probably gonna make a shield every attack or some shit

[rain heart]

have you ever considered Nayuta Lib Siren SBS and Velveet

[thorny mason]

No one gonna play that thing bro

[wooden compass]

Outside Raud yes

[thorny mason]

Label bruhhh

[gleaming drum]

Have you ever played NIKKE with your vibes on the line?!

[bright crow]

Man, is funny how they just keep making kraken easier and easier

[thorny mason]

She is my sexy failure girl but she’s not very good in pve unfortunately

[thorny mason]

S7 at sync 201 soon fr

[rain heart]

assuming you have Lib and SBS

[gleaming drum]

Honestly at this point they just need to give us weekly kraken rewards for free

[wooden compass]

They go wuth maids

[rain heart]

and Siren too but it's not that important

[thorny mason]

That would be 1 pity per day and 0 rocks for me

[bright crow]

Do you think they will add another level of interception?

[gleaming drum]

Depends. How badly are the whales carrying the game?

[cobalt jungle]

Stage 20 AI

[bright crow]

Would be funny if now mother whale is what gives you gems xd

[gleaming drum]

Long answer is yes. But it'll probably be super sweaty. Like min level 600+

[rain heart]

Crown is still too value, probably will go with Delta and Eva 2.0

For Siren and Velvet, I think Xlud (12% dmg taken) and Helm (27% ATK) will do with 1 flex slot (Mihara for example)

[wooden compass]

Label best flex

[thorny mason]

Nice, I mlb’ed her

Worth 10/10/10 then ?

[wooden compass]

And no

That team gets carried by Siren

It will be RRH Bade SWHA asukaW Ada

5th team

Ok crown still works here

[wooden compass]

1 10 1

[thorny mason]

Yeah so 10/10/10 thx

[quaint bay]

What's her surface content skill? 👀

[ruby narwhal]

Not relevant for an indeterminate amount of time

[quaint bay]

I still want to know

[charred needle]

Can you still check surface skills

[quaint bay]

Should be able to be mined still unless they actually stopped giving them skills for it

@hybrid elm Whenever you're free and able, could you confirm? 👀

[normal verge]

Velvet burst damage vs not bursting (lvl 10)

[glossy portal]

Bruh they probably wont even release surface until 2027

Let it die

I miss the 0.6 extra daily income of rocks tho

[wooden compass]

Can you test Siren Velvet Helm XLud Crown pls pls pls

Youre the only guy I know who builds Velvet

Or thats not ur ss